Re: [Pce] RtgDir Early review: draft-ietf-pce-pceps-tls13-02

2023-12-05 Thread Sean Turner

> On Nov 13, 2023, at 04:07, Tal Mizrahi  wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> I have been selected to do a routing directorate “early” review of this draft.
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-pceps-tls13/

Hi! And, thanks for your review. I have created an issue to track this review:
https://github.com/ietf-wg-pce/draft-ietf-pce-pceps-tls13/issues/15

> The routing directorate will, on request from the working group chair,
> perform an “early” review of a draft before it is submitted for
> publication to the IESG. The early review can be performed at any time
> during the draft’s lifetime as a working group document.
> 
> For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see
> https://wiki.ietf.org/en/group/rtg/RtgDir
> 
> Document: draft-ietf-pce-pceps-tls13-02
> Reviewer: Tal Mizrahi
> Review Date: Nov 13, 2023
> Intended Status: Standards Track
> 
> Summary:
> I have some concerns about this document that I think should be
> resolved before it is submitted to the IESG.
> 
> Comments:
> The draft is clear and straightforward. There is one main comment that
> needs to be addressed.
> 
> Major comment:
> The "Security Considerations" section needs to describe the security
> considerations that are specific to the current document. For example,
> the second note of Section 3, and perhaps some more text that explains
> why this is important. The existing text in this section is not
> helpful to the reader. The section cites 9 references with a brief
> description of each reference, but without the description of the
> security considerations of each reference. The last paragraph of the
> section - is it relevant to the current document? It would be best to
> stick with security considerations that are strictly relevant to the
> current document, and not to PCE in general.

Ah yes, I “fixed” the main body and ignored the Security Considerations. I tend 
to agree we should edit it.

Since this I-D is essentially adding a couple of bullets to an existing RFC, we 
are adopting all of those considerations and the PCEP considerations. This I-D 
also addresses TLS 1.2 and TLS 1.3 protocols and recommendations for those 
protocols. So, that’s the 1st para. Note the WG asked to add more PCEP related 
security considerations; see:
https://github.com/ietf-wg-pce/draft-ietf-pce-pceps-tls13/pull/10/files

I tend to think the 2nd and 3rd paragraph can be dropped entirely now.

As for repeating/expanding on the 2nd NOTE in s3: if the text of this I-D was 
incorporated in a replacement for RFC 8253 and was 10 pages away from the 
security considerations. I could see repeating/expanding it. As it is right 
now, that bullet is immediately proceeds the Security Considerations. Further, 
that text is additionally incorporated by reference from TLS 1.3 and RFC 9325 
so I tend to think it’s kind of covered and doesn’t need more text.  Again, I 
could see repeating the bullet or moving that bullet, but because this document 
is so short it seems like overkill.

I created a PR that incorporates these changes:
https://github.com/ietf-wg-pce/draft-ietf-pce-pceps-tls13/issues/15

>> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-pce-pceps-tls13-02.html#name-security-considerations
>>  ?
>> 
>> As for expanding on the 2nd note, I think repeating the text is a bad idea - 
>> I’d rather refer there again as follows:
>> 
>> As noted in Section 3, Section 2.3 of [I-D.ietf-tls-rfc8446bis] identifies 
>> that the security properties for early data are weaker than those for 
>> subsequent TLS-protected data. In particular, early data is not forward 
>> secret, and there is no protection against the replay of early data between 
>> connections.

> Nits:
> - "if a PCEPS supports more than one version" - the sentence is not
> clear. Perhaps "if a PCEPS implementation supports more than one
> version"?
> - Section 4 - second paragraph - there is a missing period at the end
> of the paragraph.

Fixed these via:
https://github.com/ietf-wg-pce/draft-ietf-pce-pceps-tls13/pull/13

Cheers,
spt
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[Pce] RtgDir Early review: draft-ietf-pce-pceps-tls13-02

2023-11-13 Thread Tal Mizrahi
Hello

I have been selected to do a routing directorate “early” review of this draft.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-pceps-tls13/

The routing directorate will, on request from the working group chair,
perform an “early” review of a draft before it is submitted for
publication to the IESG. The early review can be performed at any time
during the draft’s lifetime as a working group document.

For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see
https://wiki.ietf.org/en/group/rtg/RtgDir

Document: draft-ietf-pce-pceps-tls13-02
Reviewer: Tal Mizrahi
Review Date: Nov 13, 2023
Intended Status: Standards Track

Summary:
I have some concerns about this document that I think should be
resolved before it is submitted to the IESG.

Comments:
The draft is clear and straightforward. There is one main comment that
needs to be addressed.

Major comment:
The "Security Considerations" section needs to describe the security
considerations that are specific to the current document. For example,
the second note of Section 3, and perhaps some more text that explains
why this is important. The existing text in this section is not
helpful to the reader. The section cites 9 references with a brief
description of each reference, but without the description of the
security considerations of each reference. The last paragraph of the
section - is it relevant to the current document? It would be best to
stick with security considerations that are strictly relevant to the
current document, and not to PCE in general.

Nits:
- "if a PCEPS supports more than one version" - the sentence is not
clear. Perhaps "if a PCEPS implementation supports more than one
version"?
- Section 4 - second paragraph - there is a missing period at the end
of the paragraph.

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