Re: [Pce] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-09: (with COMMENT)

2018-04-16 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:35:19AM -0500, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote:
> Hi, Jonathan,
> 
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Jonathan Hardwick <
> jonathan.hardw...@metaswitch.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Spencer
> >
> > Thanks for your comments.  Please see [Jon] below.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Jon
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Spencer Dawkins [mailto:spencerdawkins.i...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: 03 April 2018 03:23
> >
> > [Jon] I have proposed an update to Benjamin.  The draft does not need any
> > sub-TLVs, hence there are no examples, which has been a frequent pattern in
> > PCE RFCs since the working group got started!  Having said that, we could
> > immediately point to the first real example of a PST sub-TLV by providing
> > an informative reference to draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing.  I don't see
> > a problem doing this as the documents were always intended to be published
> > together.  How about
> >
> > OLD
> >   This document does not define any sub-TLVs.
> > NEW
> >   This document does not define any sub-TLVs; an example can be found in
> > [I-D.ietf-pce-segment-routing].
> > END
> >
> 
> Since I was echoing Benjamin's concern, I'll echo his relief - whatever you
> folks work out, will work for me.
> 
> But that sounds like a fine plan to me.

Having this additional informational reference also sounds good to
me.

-Benjamin

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Re: [Pce] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-09: (with COMMENT)

2018-04-16 Thread Spencer Dawkins at IETF
Hi, Jonathan,

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Jonathan Hardwick <
jonathan.hardw...@metaswitch.com> wrote:

> Hi Spencer
>
> Thanks for your comments.  Please see [Jon] below.
>
> Cheers
> Jon
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Spencer Dawkins [mailto:spencerdawkins.i...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 03 April 2018 03:23
> To: The IESG <i...@ietf.org>
> Cc: draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-t...@ietf.org; Julien Meuric <
> julien.meu...@orange.com>; pce-cha...@ietf.org; julien.meu...@orange.com;
> pce@ietf.org
> Subject: Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-09:
> (with COMMENT)
>
>
> I'll let you folks work with Benjamin on this, but I echo his concern
> about the level of specification covering sub-TLVs (Spencer's summary: "not
> much specification").  As a related comment, I note that not defining any
> sub-TLVs in this document prevents the authors from giving any examples of
> what sub-TLVs might be appropriate, which would have been helpful for me in
> both the Abstract and Introduction.
>
> (I usually prefer clues about whether the reader should be reading a
> specification or not. It would be easier for me to know whether this
> document is relevant to me, if I knew what kinds of sub-TLVs were
> envisioned, even if only a couple of examples were provided. But do the
> right thing, of course)
>
> [Jon] I have proposed an update to Benjamin.  The draft does not need any
> sub-TLVs, hence there are no examples, which has been a frequent pattern in
> PCE RFCs since the working group got started!  Having said that, we could
> immediately point to the first real example of a PST sub-TLV by providing
> an informative reference to draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing.  I don't see
> a problem doing this as the documents were always intended to be published
> together.  How about
>
> OLD
>   This document does not define any sub-TLVs.
> NEW
>   This document does not define any sub-TLVs; an example can be found in
> [I-D.ietf-pce-segment-routing].
> END
>

Since I was echoing Benjamin's concern, I'll echo his relief - whatever you
folks work out, will work for me.

But that sounds like a fine plan to me.

Spencer
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Re: [Pce] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-09: (with COMMENT)

2018-04-16 Thread Jonathan Hardwick
Hi Spencer

Thanks for your comments.  Please see [Jon] below.

Cheers
Jon

-Original Message-
From: Spencer Dawkins [mailto:spencerdawkins.i...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 03 April 2018 03:23
To: The IESG <i...@ietf.org>
Cc: draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-t...@ietf.org; Julien Meuric 
<julien.meu...@orange.com>; pce-cha...@ietf.org; julien.meu...@orange.com; 
pce@ietf.org
Subject: Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-09: 
(with COMMENT)


I'll let you folks work with Benjamin on this, but I echo his concern about the 
level of specification covering sub-TLVs (Spencer's summary: "not much 
specification").  As a related comment, I note that not defining any sub-TLVs 
in this document prevents the authors from giving any examples of what sub-TLVs 
might be appropriate, which would have been helpful for me in both the Abstract 
and Introduction.

(I usually prefer clues about whether the reader should be reading a 
specification or not. It would be easier for me to know whether this document 
is relevant to me, if I knew what kinds of sub-TLVs were envisioned, even if 
only a couple of examples were provided. But do the right thing, of course)

[Jon] I have proposed an update to Benjamin.  The draft does not need any 
sub-TLVs, hence there are no examples, which has been a frequent pattern in PCE 
RFCs since the working group got started!  Having said that, we could 
immediately point to the first real example of a PST sub-TLV by providing an 
informative reference to draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing.  I don't see a problem 
doing this as the documents were always intended to be published together.  How 
about

OLD
  This document does not define any sub-TLVs.
NEW
  This document does not define any sub-TLVs; an example can be found in 
[I-D.ietf-pce-segment-routing].
END


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[Pce] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-09: (with COMMENT)

2018-04-02 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-09: No Objection

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I'll let you folks work with Benjamin on this, but I echo his concern about the
level of specification covering sub-TLVs (Spencer's summary: "not much
specification").  As a related comment, I note that not defining any sub-TLVs
in this document prevents the authors from giving any examples of what sub-TLVs
might be appropriate, which would have been helpful for me in both the Abstract
and Introduction.

(I usually prefer clues about whether the reader should be reading a
specification or not. It would be easier for me to know whether this document
is relevant to me, if I knew what kinds of sub-TLVs were envisioned, even if
only a couple of examples were provided. But do the right thing, of course)


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