Re: [PD-dev] recentfiles_list explanation
On 03/16/2011 05:02 AM, yv wrote: also, I created a new file and put all this recentfiles stuff in it, tcl/pd_guiprefs.tcl and I didn't find out where I should add it so it ends up in tcl/pkgIndex.tcl. any hints ? hiho I still don't really know what to do with tcl/pkgIndex.tcl I ran tcl/pkg_mkIndex.tcl and now my new file 'pd_guiprefs.tcl' is in there but I'm not sure I had to do this. also I edited po/Makefile.am and tcl/Makefile.am and added pd_guiprefs.tcl there but I'm not a Makefile guru so any advices on this is welcome. I finally have the recentfiles thing working on both osx and linux =) I'll try to test it on win32 and pd-extended next w-end. what's your rules about patches ? should I post my patch on sf.net ? cheers, _y ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] recentfiles_list explanation
I got it working on linux =) here is a small video showing the behavior: http://www.yvanvolochine.com/tmp/pd_recentfiles.ogg as Iohannes suggested I use ~/.pd/recentfiles.conf I'll try to make it for osx/win in the next days if I get my hands on a win machine comments are welcome! cheers, _y ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] recentfiles_list explanation
On Mar 15, 2011, at 6:20 PM, IOhannes zmölnig wrote: On 03/15/2011 10:15 PM, Yvan Volochine wrote: On 3/15/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 03:45 +0100, Yvan Volochine wrote: I'm trying to get recentfiles written to ~/.pdsettings and I think I'm missing something obvious. [snip] Hey Yvan, It's great that you are taking this on, its definitely useful. I think that it might make more sense to create a separate GUI-only preference system. Its something that I had planned on trying, but hadn't found the time, so it'd be great if you beat me to it! This way it would be a lot easier to deal with, you can do everything from Tcl. hi, well I'm trying.. a separate GUI-only preference system would mean a separate dot file then (like .pdgui) ? why not make a ~/.pd/ folder and put your preferences for your plugin in there? this woul dallow for less clutter in the home-directory and bundle all the pd-related settings nicely together. and so far, this would contain only recentfiles right ? ~/.pd/recentfiles.conf would always only contain recentfiles configuration. That's a good idea, but I think it should fit into the Free Desktop Standards. Isn't that something like ~/.local/pd? Then that does not cover Windows, which uses the registry, and Mac OS X, which uses the 'defaults' system. .hc We have nothing to fear from love and commitment. - New York Senator Diane Savino, trying to convince the NY Senate to pass a gay marriage bill ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] recentfiles_list explanation
On Mar 16, 2011, at 12:02 AM, yv wrote: ~/.pd/recentfiles.conf would always only contain recentfiles configuration. ok I have a couple more questions: now I have a ~/.pd/recentfiles.conf that is parsed and all filenames are added to a new Open Recent submenu when pd launches instead of putting them directly in the File menu (I removed one of the bottom separators in there). (that looks nice!) so the new layout of the file menu would be: [New] [Open] [Open Recent ] [---] [Save] [Save As] [---] [Message] [Print] [---] [Close] [Quit] what do you think of this idea ? then I wonder when it would be better to write this file. I'd like to do it only when closing pd but I'm not sure.. also, I created a new file and put all this recentfiles stuff in it, tcl/pd_guiprefs.tcl and I didn't find out where I should add it so it ends up in tcl/pkgIndex.tcl. any hints ? cheers, _y The way that the recent files are currently written to the File menu are carefully tailored to the way its normally done on the native platform. GNOME and Windows do it by putting them directly inline on the File menu, Mac OS X does it on the Open Recent menu. I think KDE does a Open Recent menu like Mac OS X, but GNOME is quite a bit more prevalent from what I've seen. I think this should stay like it is by default, but you can do anything you want in a GUI plugin. .hc We have nothing to fear from love and commitment. - New York Senator Diane Savino, trying to convince the NY Senate to pass a gay marriage bill ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] recentfiles_list explanation
On 03/16/2011 06:16 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: ~/.pd/recentfiles.conf would always only contain recentfiles configuration. That's a good idea, but I think it should fit into the Free Desktop Standards. Isn't that something like ~/.local/pd? Then that does not cover Windows, which uses the registry, and Mac OS X, which uses the 'defaults' system. isn't it ~/.config/pd ? _y ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] recentfiles_list explanation
On 03/16/2011 06:28 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The way that the recent files are currently written to the File menu are carefully tailored to the way its normally done on the native platform. GNOME and Windows do it by putting them directly inline on the File menu, Mac OS X does it on the Open Recent menu. I think KDE does a Open Recent menu like Mac OS X, but GNOME is quite a bit more prevalent from what I've seen. I think this should stay like it is by default, but you can do anything you want in a GUI plugin. alright I 'll think about it and write a gui-plugin instead. I don't have neither gnome nor kde but I think inlining 10 recent items in the file menu is a bit too much =) cheers, _y ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] recentfiles_list explanation
On Mar 16, 2011, at 1:39 PM, yvan volochine wrote: On 03/16/2011 06:28 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The way that the recent files are currently written to the File menu are carefully tailored to the way its normally done on the native platform. GNOME and Windows do it by putting them directly inline on the File menu, Mac OS X does it on the Open Recent menu. I think KDE does a Open Recent menu like Mac OS X, but GNOME is quite a bit more prevalent from what I've seen. I think this should stay like it is by default, but you can do anything you want in a GUI plugin. alright I 'll think about it and write a gui-plugin instead. I don't have neither gnome nor kde but I think inlining 10 recent items in the file menu is a bit too much =) cheers, _y It seems that almost everything that you are doing should go into the core. I am saying just the Open Recent versus File-inline issue might be best resolved using GUI plugins. If there was overwhelming support for using Open Recent by default on GNU/Linux, I could be fine with that too. .hc I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] recentfiles_list explanation
On Mar 16, 2011, at 1:35 PM, yvan volochine wrote: On 03/16/2011 06:16 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: ~/.pd/recentfiles.conf would always only contain recentfiles configuration. That's a good idea, but I think it should fit into the Free Desktop Standards. Isn't that something like ~/.local/pd? Then that does not cover Windows, which uses the registry, and Mac OS X, which uses the 'defaults' system. isn't it ~/.config/pd ? _y Seems this is called XDG_CONFIG_HOME: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs Yeah ~/.config/pure-data and ~/.config.pd-extended might make the most sense. .hc All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] recentfiles_list explanation
On 03/16/2011 08:18 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: alright I 'll think about it and write a gui-plugin instead. I don't have neither gnome nor kde but I think inlining 10 recent items in the file menu is a bit too much =) It seems that almost everything that you are doing should go into the core. indeed I am saying just the Open Recent versus File-inline issue might be best resolved using GUI plugins. If there was overwhelming support for using Open Recent by default on GNU/Linux, I could be fine with that too. I don't mind having an OS specific behavior but I think that if we inline recent files in Menu.file we should restrain it to 5 items (imagine 10 recent files list in there...). so my proposal is: - linux/win keep the recentfiles list inlined in Menu.file (5 items max, no clear button, oh well..) and osx has a Recent (or Open recent) submenu with 5 (or more? dunno the mac-way-of-life for that) recent items in it and a clear option (well, they paid for it =) does that make sense ? cheers, _y ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] recentfiles_list explanation
On Mar 16, 2011, at 7:55 PM, yvan volochine wrote: On 03/16/2011 08:18 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: alright I 'll think about it and write a gui-plugin instead. I don't have neither gnome nor kde but I think inlining 10 recent items in the file menu is a bit too much =) It seems that almost everything that you are doing should go into the core. indeed I am saying just the Open Recent versus File-inline issue might be best resolved using GUI plugins. If there was overwhelming support for using Open Recent by default on GNU/Linux, I could be fine with that too. I don't mind having an OS specific behavior but I think that if we inline recent files in Menu.file we should restrain it to 5 items (imagine 10 recent files list in there...). so my proposal is: - linux/win keep the recentfiles list inlined in Menu.file (5 items max, no clear button, oh well..) and osx has a Recent (or Open recent) submenu with 5 (or more? dunno the mac-way-of-life for that) recent items in it and a clear option (well, they paid for it =) does that make sense ? cheers, _y Sure, works for me. .hc [W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity.-John Gilmore ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] recentfiles_list explanation
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 03:45 +0100, Yvan Volochine wrote: I'm trying to get recentfiles written to ~/.pdsettings and I think I'm missing something obvious. (see my patch attached or here: http://pastebin.com/3apUXLzs ). so far I can read from .pdsettings and get the recentfiles in the File menu (when I wrote them in theremanually) but, in s_files.c/glob_savepreferences(): char *pathelem = namelist_get(recentfiles_list, i) does not make it. I think that I don't really understand the way pd and the gui communicate with each other. I think I found my error. should I add a method in m_glob.c that appends a filename to recentfiles_list. then when opening a window in Tcl, send the new filename to pd (please correct me if I'm wrong) ? I'll try after sleeping a bit :) Hey Yvan, It's great that you are taking this on, its definitely useful. I think that it might make more sense to create a separate GUI-only preference system. Its something that I had planned on trying, but hadn't found the time, so it'd be great if you beat me to it! This way it would be a lot easier to deal with, you can do everything from Tcl. .hc ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] recentfiles_list explanation
On 3/15/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 03:45 +0100, Yvan Volochine wrote: I'm trying to get recentfiles written to ~/.pdsettings and I think I'm missing something obvious. [snip] Hey Yvan, It's great that you are taking this on, its definitely useful. I think that it might make more sense to create a separate GUI-only preference system. Its something that I had planned on trying, but hadn't found the time, so it'd be great if you beat me to it! This way it would be a lot easier to deal with, you can do everything from Tcl. hi, well I'm trying.. a separate GUI-only preference system would mean a separate dot file then (like .pdgui) ? and so far, this would contain only recentfiles right ? cheers, _y ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] recentfiles_list explanation
On 03/15/2011 10:15 PM, Yvan Volochine wrote: On 3/15/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 03:45 +0100, Yvan Volochine wrote: I'm trying to get recentfiles written to ~/.pdsettings and I think I'm missing something obvious. [snip] Hey Yvan, It's great that you are taking this on, its definitely useful. I think that it might make more sense to create a separate GUI-only preference system. Its something that I had planned on trying, but hadn't found the time, so it'd be great if you beat me to it! This way it would be a lot easier to deal with, you can do everything from Tcl. hi, well I'm trying.. a separate GUI-only preference system would mean a separate dot file then (like .pdgui) ? why not make a ~/.pd/ folder and put your preferences for your plugin in there? this woul dallow for less clutter in the home-directory and bundle all the pd-related settings nicely together. and so far, this would contain only recentfiles right ? ~/.pd/recentfiles.conf would always only contain recentfiles configuration. fgamsdr IOhannes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] recentfiles_list explanation
~/.pd/recentfiles.conf would always only contain recentfiles configuration. ok I have a couple more questions: now I have a ~/.pd/recentfiles.conf that is parsed and all filenames are added to a new Open Recent submenu when pd launches instead of putting them directly in the File menu (I removed one of the bottom separators in there). (that looks nice!) so the new layout of the file menu would be: [New] [Open] [Open Recent ] [---] [Save] [Save As] [---] [Message] [Print] [---] [Close] [Quit] what do you think of this idea ? then I wonder when it would be better to write this file. I'd like to do it only when closing pd but I'm not sure.. also, I created a new file and put all this recentfiles stuff in it, tcl/pd_guiprefs.tcl and I didn't find out where I should add it so it ends up in tcl/pkgIndex.tcl. any hints ? cheers, _y ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] recentfiles_list explanation
On 03/15/2011 11:20 PM, IOhannes zmölnig wrote: a separate GUI-only preference system would mean a separate dot file then (like .pdgui) ? why not make a ~/.pd/ folder and put your preferences for your plugin in there? this woul dallow for less clutter in the home-directory and bundle all the pd-related settings nicely together. and so far, this would contain only recentfiles right ? ~/.pd/recentfiles.conf would always only contain recentfiles configuration. yes you're absolutely right. cheers, _y ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
[PD-dev] recentfiles_list explanation
hello sorry if this is obvious but I'm looking into pd source for the 1st time today... I'm trying to get recentfiles written to ~/.pdsettings and I think I'm missing something obvious. (see my patch attached or here: http://pastebin.com/3apUXLzs ). so far I can read from .pdsettings and get the recentfiles in the File menu (when I wrote them in theremanually) but, in s_files.c/glob_savepreferences(): char *pathelem = namelist_get(recentfiles_list, i) does not make it. I think that I don't really understand the way pd and the gui communicate with each other. IIUC, recentfiles_list is updated when a file is opened (in tcl/wheredoesthisgo.tcl) but how come in glob_savepreferences() sys_searchpath and other globals are found if recentfiles_list is not ? also, maybe having recentfiles written to another file than .pdsettings would be easier (like it seems to be the case on osx by looking at the code but I'm not sure) but another dot file just for this would be ugly IMHO thanks for your advices or for pointing me to other threads where this is discussed (couldn't find any). cheers, _yvan 0001-testing-writing-recentfiles-to-pdsettings.patch Description: Binary data ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
Re: [PD-dev] recentfiles_list explanation
I'm trying to get recentfiles written to ~/.pdsettings and I think I'm missing something obvious. (see my patch attached or here: http://pastebin.com/3apUXLzs ). so far I can read from .pdsettings and get the recentfiles in the File menu (when I wrote them in theremanually) but, in s_files.c/glob_savepreferences(): char *pathelem = namelist_get(recentfiles_list, i) does not make it. I think that I don't really understand the way pd and the gui communicate with each other. I think I found my error. should I add a method in m_glob.c that appends a filename to recentfiles_list. then when opening a window in Tcl, send the new filename to pd (please correct me if I'm wrong) ? I'll try after sleeping a bit :) cheers, _y ___ Pd-dev mailing list Pd-dev@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev
