Re: [PD] call for PDP testing on Mac OS X

2007-04-23 Thread marius schebella
kevin,
I don't understand what you are saying. is pdp_qt working or not?
and where did you get libquicktime?
marius.

Kevin McCoy wrote:
> 
> pdp_qt is not being created. 
> 
> 
> just jumping in here, but I will second that, both in OS X and in Debian 
> too it is not created.  I recompiled after getting libquicktime going 
> and it works now.  Maybe an issue with that?
> 
> Kevin
>  
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] call for PDP testing on Mac OS X

2007-04-23 Thread Kevin McCoy

pdp_qt is not being created.



just jumping in here, but I will second that, both in OS X and in Debian too
it is not created.  I recompiled after getting libquicktime going and it
works now.  Maybe an issue with that?

Kevin
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Re: [PD] RSI . Was Re: GEM: animations

2007-04-23 Thread Kevin McCoy

Yes I had an "injury" months ago and I wanted to use desiredata because of
that.  What actually helped me was the writing of Dr. John Sarno ("The
Mind-Body Prescription" - sounds new-agey but it's not really) - the premise
is that most RSI is psychosomatic, and dwelling on it prolongs the pain.  I
thought about bringing this up on the list before.  Attentiveness to this
(among other mind-work) solved the problem for me - highly recommended
work.  Steal the book or borrow it from a library - at least in America we
are a heavily overmedicated/hyperdiagnosed society imho.

I have heard that in countries where people have not heard of RSI people
don't really get it.  I can't back that up, but it would be interesting if
it is in fact true.

Kevin

On 4/22/07, Alexandre Quessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi,
The desiredata crowd have done quite a lot of work to help prevent this.
:)

a

2007/4/22, Olivier Heinry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
>
>  Help fight agains
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repetitive_strain_injury
> Get up and stretch your back !!
>
>  http://www.workrave.org/welcome/
>
>  ++
>  O.
>
>
>
> --
>
> 2007/4/19, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Apr 18, 2007, at 10:33 PM, Alexandre Quessy wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > 2007/4/18, Kyle Klipowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >> I'm sorry, I don't have [gems/duplicate] in the version of pdmtl
that
> > >> I just downloaded. It looks like a neat library though, will it be
> > >> included in pd-extended soon?
> > >
> > >
> https://devel.goto10.org/pdmtl/browser/trunk/pdmtl/gems/
> > > duplicate.pd !!
> > >
> > > I got to put it in the pd-extended build system, yes... It's just
that
> > > I am having troubles with the Makefile. I need to translate
something
> > > like "cp -r * /usr/lib/pd/extra/" into some recursive Makefiles
unsing
> > > "install -d" and such...
> > >
> > > See
> http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg01399.html
> > >
> > > Any help around ? I think the best way to do it would be to copy
> > > makefiles around and then :
> > >
> > > find . -type d | xargs cd && make; done
> > >
> > > Or something... got to test. I will have more time in May. :)
> >
> > It seems that pdmtl really needs to have multi-level namespaces.
> > Perhaps in May we could work on making that happen.
> >
> > .hc
> >
> >
> > >
> > > a
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> I will try to experiment with [repeat], since it is getting
> > >> tedious to
> > >> manipulate more than 5 or 6 separate objects in the 'gemiverse.'
> > >>
> > >> ~Kyle
> > >>
> > >> On 4/18/07, Alexandre Quessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>> Consider using the [repeat] object along with [separator]...
> > >>> See [gems/duplicate] in the SVN repository of the
> > >>> http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions
> > >>>
> > >>> a
> > >>>
> > >>> 2007/4/17, Cypod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >  Roman is right, just parenting down the chain, with small sphere
> >  (proxy
> >  geometry) to change the pivot control, from the center to one
end.
> > 
> >  where separators come into play is to branch off arms and legs
> >  from the main
> >  body. The body's transform will still control the arm, but
sibling
> >  hierarchies wont affect each other. That way you can move the
> >  body of the
> >  character and the arms don't fall off, but if you rotate the
> >  left shoulder
> >  it wont affect the right shoulder or legs.
> > 
> >  Thats how I created the dancing man patch, from a wow (World of
> >  War-craft)
> >  character that my friend build. Its still somewhat crude, but
> >  fun to be able
> >  to control characters in real-time during your performance.
> > 
> > 
> >  On 4/17/07, Kyle Klipowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Ok, yes. After tinkering last night a bit I found that it is
> > > indeed
> > > this simple. For some reason I was getting confused, based upon
> > > where
> > > I was putting the separators for different branches of the
> > > structure.
> > > I like this top-down approach. It makes it easy to add global
> > > modifiers at the top of the gem chain.
> > >
> > > ~Kyle
> > >
> > > On 4/17/07, Roman Haefeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 2007-04-16 at 23:32 -0500, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
> > >>> Ok, that was a dumb question, after looking at separator.
> > >>>
> > >>> But it raises some questions for me: is the best way to
position
> > >>> multi-geo unit, say of a sphere being orbited by smaller
> > >>> spheres, best
> > >>> accomplished by using a lot of additions, or is there a way
> > >>> to chain
> > >>> translate objects?
> > >>
> > >> if i understand you correctly, this is _very_ simple to
> > >> achieve. here an
> > >> example of a renderchain:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> [gemhead]
> > >> |
> > >> [translateXYZ] <- translate the who

Re: [PD] pidip setup/compile questions

2007-04-23 Thread Kevin McCoy

It's cool I think, I actually installed the most recent version of it.  I
was trying to compile pidip all day today and going nuts!  I gave up and
copied your pidip.pd_linux over to my vanilla pd and it works now.  Tight.
Thanks Hans!

Kevin

On 4/23/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



You need a more recent version of libquicktime AFAIK.   Which version are
you using?

'apt-cache search libquicktime' should tell you

.hc

On Apr 23, 2007, at 11:41 AM, Kevin McCoy wrote:

Hello,

I got pd-extended 39-2 rc1 for debian/ppc from Hans' site but while PDP
works great, I cannot get pidip to load because of a quicktime_close error:

PDP: pure data packet version 0.12.5-darcs
/usr/local/lib/pd/extra/pidip/pidip.pd_linux:
/usr/local/lib/pd/extra/pidip/pidip.pd_linux: undefined symbol:
quicktime_close

I have libquicktime0 installed and it still doesn't work.  I am running
Debian Etch on an iMac G5 (ppc64).  Isn't this all I need?  Maybe a Debian
or Ubuntu user can chime in here... So I thought I should go ahead and try
compiling it myself since it's difficult to know what is/isn't broken in
extended.

But when I try to run ./configure with the appropriate flags I get an
error: ./configure: no such file or directory.Here are the contents from
typing ls:

elea:/home/kevin/externals/pidip# ls
acinclude.m4   config.guess  doc  install-sh   modules  TODO
aclocal.m4config.subfontsKNOWN.BUGS   patches
CHANGES.LOG   configure.ac  include  LICENSE.txt  README
charmaps  CVS   INSTALL  Makefile.in  system

Any help?
Thanks!
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Re: [PD] video documentation of an installation built with PD

2007-04-23 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

Looks like a nice piece.

.hc

On Apr 21, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Damian Stewart wrote:

> and some other open-source tech
>
> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1rzil_sounds-like-light-lights-sound
>
> Raw video footage is cooked using a custom OpenCV-based app that  
> feeds data
> to PD via Open Sound Control packets. PD is used for the sound  
> generation
> and also for the higher level control functions of the lighting rig.
>
> more details here
> http://www.frey.co.nz/soundslikelight/
>
> -- 
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Re: [PD] 0.39.2.extended-RC1

2007-04-23 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

It's a mistake, it'll be removed in the next release.  Ignore it.

.hc

On Apr 23, 2007, at 8:29 PM, Echo Ho wrote:

> i installed 0.39.2.extended-RC1, get error massage at the first  
> line, but most help patch are working
> see  what this mean?
> echo
> __ 
> _
>
> error: to function, this needs to be compiled against Pd 0.40 or  
> higher,
>
>   or a version that has sys_register_loader()
> libdir loader $Revision: 1.5 $
>   written by Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   compiled on Apr 14 2007 at 03:30:40
>   compiled against Pd version 0.39.2.extended-RC1
> GEM: Graphics Environment for Multimedia
> GEM: ver: 0.91-cvs
> GEM: compiled: Apr 14 2007
> GEM: maintained by IOhannes m zmoelnig
> GEM: Authors :Mark Danks (original version)
> GEM:  Chris Clepper
> GEM:  James Tittle
> GEM:  IOhannes m zmoelnig
> GEM: with help by Guenter Geiger, Daniel Heckenberg, Cyrille Henry,  
> et al.
> GEM: using SSE2 optimization



 


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Re: [PD] pidip setup/compile questions

2007-04-23 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


You need a more recent version of libquicktime AFAIK.   Which version  
are you using?


'apt-cache search libquicktime' should tell you

.hc

On Apr 23, 2007, at 11:41 AM, Kevin McCoy wrote:


Hello,

I got pd-extended 39-2 rc1 for debian/ppc from Hans' site but while  
PDP works great, I cannot get pidip to load because of a  
quicktime_close error:


PDP: pure data packet version 0.12.5-darcs
/usr/local/lib/pd/extra/pidip/pidip.pd_linux: /usr/local/lib/pd/ 
extra/pidip/pidip.pd_linux: undefined symbol: quicktime_close


I have libquicktime0 installed and it still doesn't work.  I am  
running Debian Etch on an iMac G5 (ppc64).  Isn't this all I need?   
Maybe a Debian or Ubuntu user can chime in here... So I thought I  
should go ahead and try compiling it myself since it's difficult to  
know what is/isn't broken in extended.


But when I try to run ./configure with the appropriate flags I get  
an error: ./configure: no such file or directory.Here are the  
contents from typing ls:


elea:/home/kevin/externals/pidip# ls
acinclude.m4   config.guess  doc  install-sh   modules  TODO
aclocal.m4config.subfontsKNOWN.BUGS   patches
CHANGES.LOG   configure.ac  include  LICENSE.txt  README
charmaps  CVS   INSTALL  Makefile.in  system

Any help?
Thanks!
Kevin



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Re: [PD] 0.39.2.extended-RC1

2007-04-23 Thread Echo Ho
i installed 0.39.2.extended-RC1, get error massage at the first line,  
but most help patch are working
see  what this mean?
echo
 
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error: to function, this needs to be compiled against Pd 0.40 or higher,

or a version that has sys_register_loader()
libdir loader $Revision: 1.5 $
written by Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
compiled on Apr 14 2007 at 03:30:40
compiled against Pd version 0.39.2.extended-RC1
GEM: Graphics Environment for Multimedia
GEM: ver: 0.91-cvs
GEM: compiled: Apr 14 2007
GEM: maintained by IOhannes m zmoelnig
GEM: Authors :  Mark Danks (original version)
GEM:Chris Clepper
GEM:James Tittle
GEM:IOhannes m zmoelnig
GEM: with help by Guenter Geiger, Daniel Heckenberg, Cyrille Henry,  
et al.
GEM: using SSE2 optimization


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Re: [PD] Test Audio: just trying to hear anything

2007-04-23 Thread Andy Farnell

rerun alsaconf and make sure the sample rate is
set to 48k then try starting Pd with these options

pd -r 48000 -channels 2 -audiobuf 160 -audiodev 1

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:27:18 +0200
Javier García <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> when i try to test the audio with "Test audio and MIDI" i have selected 
> "default MIDI". If I select ALSA, "default MIDI" and "ALSA" are selected and 
> this message appears:
> 
> tried but couldn't sync A/D/A
> tried but couldn't sync A/D/A
> tried but couldn't sync A/D/A
> .
> tried but couldn't sync A/D/A
> tried but couldn't sync A/D/A
> tried but couldn't sync A/D/A
> tried but couldn't sync A/D/A
> audio I/O stuck... closing audio
> 
> I hope this helps little more...

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Re: [PD] Test Audio: just trying to hear anything

2007-04-23 Thread Javier García
Andy Farnell wrote:

>It's working and happy afaics. But you didn't hear anything?
>Have a really good fiddle with your ALSA mixer settings.
>
>Please elaborate on "The only thing i heard was noise"
>
>Did you hear residual hiss? Or something else?

No, i dont hear anything.

About the ALSA mixer settings i think everything is ok.

When i say noise, i mean residual hiss, yes.

Some more clues:

when i try to test the audio with "Test audio and MIDI" i have selected 
"default MIDI". If I select ALSA, "default MIDI" and "ALSA" are selected and 
this message appears:

tried but couldn't sync A/D/A
tried but couldn't sync A/D/A
tried but couldn't sync A/D/A
.
tried but couldn't sync A/D/A
tried but couldn't sync A/D/A
tried but couldn't sync A/D/A
tried but couldn't sync A/D/A
audio I/O stuck... closing audio

I hope this helps little more...


>From: Andy Farnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Javier García <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], pd-list@iem.at
>Subject: Re: [PD] Test Audio: just trying to hear anything
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:51:20 +0100
>
>On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:05:32 +0200
>Javier García <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Frank Barknecht wrote:
> >
> > >Please try again, alsa-utils is an important package. It includes all
> > >the debugging and configuration tools for ALSA like alsamixer, aplay,
> > >aconnect etc. "sudo apt-get install alsa-utils" should install it.
> >
> > I installed it and typed "speaker test". The only thing i heard was 
>noise in
> > the same time this lines below appeared. (If you dont understand i can
> > translate them)
> >
> > speaker-test 1.0.11
> >
> > El dispositivo de reproducción es default
> > Los parámetros del flujo son 48000Hz, S16_LE, 1 canales
> > Usando 16 octavas de ruido rosa
> > Frecuencia establecida a 48000Hz (se solicitó 48000Hz)
> > El rango del tamaño del buffer va desde 2048 hasta 16384
> > El rango del tamaño del perído va desde 1024 hasta 1024
>
>It's working and happy afaics. But you didn't hear anytying?
>Have a really good fiddle with your ALSA mixer settings.
>
>Please elaborate on "The only thing i heard was noise"
>
>Did you hear residual hiss? Or something else?
>
>
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Re: [PD] Test Audio: just trying to hear anything

2007-04-23 Thread Andy Farnell
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:05:32 +0200
Javier García <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Frank Barknecht wrote:
> 
> >Please try again, alsa-utils is an important package. It includes all
> >the debugging and configuration tools for ALSA like alsamixer, aplay,
> >aconnect etc. "sudo apt-get install alsa-utils" should install it.
> 
> I installed it and typed "speaker test". The only thing i heard was noise in 
> the same time this lines below appeared. (If you dont understand i can 
> translate them)
> 
> speaker-test 1.0.11
> 
> El dispositivo de reproducción es default
> Los parámetros del flujo son 48000Hz, S16_LE, 1 canales
> Usando 16 octavas de ruido rosa
> Frecuencia establecida a 48000Hz (se solicitó 48000Hz)
> El rango del tamaño del buffer va desde 2048 hasta 16384
> El rango del tamaño del perído va desde 1024 hasta 1024

It's working and happy afaics. But you didn't hear anytying? 
Have a really good fiddle with your ALSA mixer settings.

Please elaborate on "The only thing i heard was noise"

Did you hear residual hiss? Or something else?


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Re: [PD] Test Audio: just trying to hear anything

2007-04-23 Thread Javier García
Frank Barknecht wrote:

>Please try again, alsa-utils is an important package. It includes all
>the debugging and configuration tools for ALSA like alsamixer, aplay,
>aconnect etc. "sudo apt-get install alsa-utils" should install it.

I installed it and typed "speaker test". The only thing i heard was noise in 
the same time this lines below appeared. (If you dont understand i can 
translate them)

speaker-test 1.0.11

El dispositivo de reproducción es default
Los parámetros del flujo son 48000Hz, S16_LE, 1 canales
Usando 16 octavas de ruido rosa
Frecuencia establecida a 48000Hz (se solicitó 48000Hz)
El rango del tamaño del buffer va desde 2048 hasta 16384
El rango del tamaño del perído va desde 1024 hasta 1024
Utilizando el tamaño máximo de buffer 16384
Periodos = 4
fue establecido period_size = 1024
fue establecido buffer_size = 16384
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,662514
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,986795
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,986777
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,986826
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,986783
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,986814
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,987081
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,986516
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,986817
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,986796
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,987113
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,986573
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,986712
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,987091
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,986440
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,987008
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,986883
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 3,007837
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,965442
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,986798
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 3,008192
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,986843
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,965680
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,986487
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,986816
0 - Frontal izquierdo
Tiempo por período = 2,987027
0 - Frontal izquierdo



>From: Frank Barknecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: pd-list@iem.at
>Subject: Re: [PD] Test Audio: just trying to hear anything
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:56:16 +0200
>
>Hallo,
>Javier García hat gesagt: // Javier García wrote:
>
> > Frank Barknecht wrote:
> >
> > >For generating sound, you could use the "speaker-test" program, that
> > >normally comes with the ALSA utils package (in Debian/Ubuntu this is
> > >the package called "alsa-utils")
> >
> > thanks Frank, I've tried to install alsa-utils but I havent got it...
>
>Please try again, alsa-utils is an important package. It includes all
>the debugging and configuration tools for ALSA like alsamixer, aplay,
>aconnect etc. "sudo apt-get install alsa-utils" should install it.
>
>Here's the package homepage:
>https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/i386/alsa-utils
>
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] PhD thesis

2007-04-23 Thread Richard Bowers
Great stuff, Paul. I shall enjoy reading this.

A minor note: you reference Roads on page 20:- Chapter 7 should read
Part 7 (which comprises chapter 23). Sorry to be a bore ;)

Richard.  

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Hi all,

The pdf of my PhD dissertation, "Automatic Annotation of Musical Audio
for Interactive Applications", is now available online:

http://aubio.piem.org/phd/

The document describes some of the innerworks of the aubio library and
external.

Remarks and questions would be most welcome.

Best wishes, Paul

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[PD] [PD-announce] PhD thesis

2007-04-23 Thread Paul Brossier
Hi all,

The pdf of my PhD dissertation, "Automatic Annotation of Musical Audio
for Interactive Applications", is now available online:

http://aubio.piem.org/phd/

The document describes some of the innerworks of the aubio library and
external.

Remarks and questions would be most welcome.

Best wishes, Paul

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Re: [PD] 4 video and audio problem

2007-04-23 Thread Steffen Leve Poulsen
Peter Forde skrev:
> Hey guys and gals,
> 
> I've mostly been using Gem with PD and so have not the best understanding of 
> the audio use.
> I have set up a patch that uses the mouse to fade between the video and 
> audio of 4 selected pieces. My computer can almost achieve this but I get 
> audio drop outs and with longer clips it slows down.
> The videos are squashed to 360x288 with no compression or audio. The audio 
> is wav format at 44100.
> 
> I am using a a Windows XP Toshiba with 1.83GHz  processor and 0.99 GB RAM. 
> Could someone check my patch to see if there is any obvious way of speeding 
> it up or will my computer just not accept this. I plan on having four 5 
> minute vid and audio pieces to fade between.

Maybe if you preload the audio you'll get a better result.
Take a look at [tabplay~]-help.

mvh/ Steffen Leve Poulsen

http://steffen.menneske.dk

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[PD] 4 video and audio problem

2007-04-23 Thread Peter Forde
Hey guys and gals,

I've mostly been using Gem with PD and so have not the best understanding of 
the audio use.
I have set up a patch that uses the mouse to fade between the video and 
audio of 4 selected pieces. My computer can almost achieve this but I get 
audio drop outs and with longer clips it slows down.
The videos are squashed to 360x288 with no compression or audio. The audio 
is wav format at 44100.

I am using a a Windows XP Toshiba with 1.83GHz  processor and 0.99 GB RAM. 
Could someone check my patch to see if there is any obvious way of speeding 
it up or will my computer just not accept this. I plan on having four 5 
minute vid and audio pieces to fade between.

Thanks Again. :)

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[PD] pidip setup/compile questions

2007-04-23 Thread Kevin McCoy

Hello,

I got pd-extended 39-2 rc1 for debian/ppc from Hans' site but while PDP
works great, I cannot get pidip to load because of a quicktime_close error:

PDP: pure data packet version 0.12.5-darcs
/usr/local/lib/pd/extra/pidip/pidip.pd_linux:
/usr/local/lib/pd/extra/pidip/pidip.pd_linux: undefined symbol:
quicktime_close

I have libquicktime0 installed and it still doesn't work.  I am running
Debian Etch on an iMac G5 (ppc64).  Isn't this all I need?  Maybe a Debian
or Ubuntu user can chime in here... So I thought I should go ahead and try
compiling it myself since it's difficult to know what is/isn't broken in
extended.

But when I try to run ./configure with the appropriate flags I get an error:
./configure: no such file or directory.Here are the contents from typing
ls:

elea:/home/kevin/externals/pidip# ls
acinclude.m4  config.guess  doc  install-sh   modules  TODO
aclocal.m4config.subfontsKNOWN.BUGS   patches
CHANGES.LOG   configure.ac  include  LICENSE.txt  README
charmaps  CVS   INSTALL  Makefile.in  system

Any help?
Thanks!
Kevin



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Re: [PD] high level beat detection

2007-04-23 Thread David Powers
On 4/23/07, IOhannes m zmoelnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ronny vanden bempt wrote:

> > * I already understand how to compile and so on, but does anyone
> >   know a good C editor, free and windows (or is that a contradiction?)
>
> no it is not a contradiction. there is xemacs on windows.
> probably uedit is good too (haven't used it for years).
> you might also want to code in notepad, but don't try M$Word.

Better choices for free Windows editors might be CREAM (like vim, but
hides advanced stuff behind menus if you want), Notepad++, and
ConText.

~David

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Re: [PD] high level beat detection

2007-04-23 Thread David Powers
Eclipse is a pretty good IDE written in Java (x-platform), out of the
box it's geared towards java but you can get extensions for all sorts
of languages, The C extension is called CDT. You would need Cygwin or
Mingw to compile with it on windows I guess. More info here:
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/os-ecc/

~David

On 4/23/07, ronny vanden bempt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey,
> We're busy with making a beat detector in Pd, but we're stuck in such a way
> that we want stopped trying to implement it as a patch. We're now skinning
> our matlab code to make it as fast and small as possible. After that we'll
> translate it to C code (hopefully the matlab-to-C compiiler helps us a
> little bit, because we're not so experienced in C programming). And then
> we'll try to turn it into a Pd external. I already worked through the
> external tutorial of Zmölnig, but I still have some questions:
>
> How to use the the x_, a_ and t_ prefixes
> I already understand how to compile and so on, but does anyone know a good C
> editor, free and windows (or is that a contradiction?)
> How can we test and compile a 'block'  without the main methods or header
> files included? Or how do you have to do that?
> I fear I'll also have many more questions when we really implement it.
> Hopefully you guys will help us out very soon.
> Ronny
> look at http://idafx.blogspot.com (or Pd webring) for more information
>
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Re: [PD] high level beat detection

2007-04-23 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
ronny vanden bempt wrote:
> Hey,
> We're busy with making a beat detector in Pd, but we're stuck in such a
> way that we want stopped trying to implement it as a patch. We're now
> skinning our matlab code to make it as fast and small as possible. After
> that we'll translate it to C code (hopefully the matlab-to-C compiiler
> helps us a little bit, because we're not so experienced in C
> programming). And then we'll try to turn it into a Pd external. I
> already worked through the external tutorial of Zmölnig, but I still
> have some questions:
> 
> * How to use the the x_, a_ and t_ prefixes

use them at your own will...

however:
the "t_" prefix are used to denote "this name is a 'type'" (this is: for
any type you declare via 'typedef', prefix it with "t_").
other people use other conventions (e.g. by postfixing "_t" to types);

the "a_" prefix usually denotes "element of the 'atom'-structure"
(actually of the 't_atom', see above).


the "x_" prefix usually denotes "element of the 'x'-structure" (whatever
'x' means; in miller's (and most derived) code, "x" is the name of the
class _variable_ (not the type))



for computers (compilers) you can use whatever, it is really just for
humans to make your code more readable.




> * I already understand how to compile and so on, but does anyone
>   know a good C editor, free and windows (or is that a contradiction?)

no it is not a contradiction. there is xemacs on windows.
probably uedit is good too (haven't used it for years).
you might also want to code in notepad, but don't try M$Word.



> * How can we test and compile a 'block'  without the main methods or
>   header files included? Or how do you have to do that?


why would you?
this question seems rather theoritical to me.
the usual way to include a header-file is by using the '#include'
preprocessor directive ;-)


fmgasdr
IOhannes


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[PD] high level beat detection

2007-04-23 Thread ronny vanden bempt

Hey,
We're busy with making a beat detector in Pd, but we're stuck in such a way
that we want stopped trying to implement it as a patch. We're now skinning
our matlab code to make it as fast and small as possible. After that we'll
translate it to C code (hopefully the matlab-to-C compiiler helps us a
little bit, because we're not so experienced in C programming). And then
we'll try to turn it into a Pd external. I already worked through the
external tutorial of Zmölnig, but I still have some questions:

  - How to use the the x_, a_ and t_ prefixes
  - I already understand how to compile and so on, but does anyone know
  a good C editor, free and windows (or is that a contradiction?)
  - How can we test and compile a 'block'  without the main methods or
  header files included? Or how do you have to do that?

I fear I'll also have many more questions when we really implement it.
Hopefully you guys will help us out very soon.
Ronny
look at http://idafx.blogspot.com (or Pd webring) for more information

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Re: [PD] call for PDP testing on Mac OS X

2007-04-23 Thread Tim Boykett

The "QaD" method (creating pdp and pidip objects) works fine.
Now I can get pdp_glx running a window in Xwindows and pdp_noise
works too. pdp_qt is not being created. pdp_ieee1394 is also
not created.

Do I need any specific things for quicktime?

I was also looking for the gem <--> pdp "conversion" things
and could not find anything.

tim



On 23/04/2007, at 6:45 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

>
> That error message actually is a mistake and you can ignore it.
> It'll be removed in the next release.
>
> It sounds like pdp and pidip are not loaded.  Did you see their
> version messages in the Pd window?  You can do the quick and dirty
> way of loading them: just create an object called "pdp" and then
> "pidip".  It'll load the library, then fail to create the object.
> But then the libs will be loaded.
>
> .hc
>
> On Apr 20, 2007, at 2:22 PM, Joseph Gray wrote:
>
>> I'm receiving the same error as well.  Running on a G5 with OS X
>> 10.3.9
>>
>> Missing Libraries? need X11?
>>
>> Or do I simply stick with Quartz Composer?
>>
>>
>>
>> The writer Tim Boykett writ:
>> •
>> • Hi,
>> •
>> • Trying to get it up, using 39.2-rc1, nothing from pdp is working
>> at all.
>> • So the rest of you are having at least more luck than me
>> •
>> • I am also getting the message
>> •
>> • error: to function, this needs to be compiled against Pd 0.40 or
>> higher,
>> •
>> •or a version that has sys_register_loader()
>> • libdir loader $Revision: 1.5 $
>> •written by Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> •compiled on Apr 14 2007 at 05:11:51
>> •compiled against Pd version 0.39.2.extended-RC1
>> •
>> • at the very start; i.e. this is the first thing in the PD window.
>> •
>> • Question: What things might I need from Fink that I might not have
>> • right now? Are there any things I should _not_ have?
>> •
>> • Okay; I would really like to see this working, so I do not have to
>> • learn about Jitter :->
>> •
>> •Cheers,
>> •
>> • Tim
>> •
>> •
>> •
>> • On 20/04/2007, at 7:11 AM, marius schebella wrote:
>> •
>> •> same here. hmm, at least, when X11 is running, then it is
>> possible to
>> •> use pdp_glx for output. and for input I used pdp_noise just to see
>> •> what
>> •> is happening, and that combination gices me an output window and a
>> •> working patch (both in test6 and rc2).
>> •> I think for input I want to use pdp_qt? or what is another
>> object for
>> •> live input?
>> •> marius.
>> •>
>> •>
>> •> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> •>>
>> •>> pdp_v4l won't work on Mac OS X, since v4l = video4linux.  As for
>> •>> what to
>> •>> do about getting pdp_xv to work, I have no idea.  I tried a
>> bit, and
>> •>> only succeeded in getting Pd to crash.  [pdp_sdl] is built in
>> •>> there, but
>> •>> doesn't seem to do anything but crash.  Here are the messages I
>> •>> found:
>> •>>
>> •>>
>> •>> .hc
>> •>>
>> •>> On Apr 20, 2007, at 12:08 AM, marius schebella wrote:
>> •>>
>> •>>> yes, that is true, but pdp_xv is not working. so I cannot really
>> •>>> say,
>> •>>> if the rest is.
>> •>>> what is the output window called on osx?
>> •>>> marius.
>> •>>>
>> •>>> Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
>> • My first test, opening pdp example 1 in pd-0.39.2-extended-rc1,
>> • loads
>> • every object but pdp_v41.
>> • ~Kyle
>> • On 4/19/07, marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
>> wrote:
>> •> hi hans,
>> •> where should that pdp version be? in the nightly autobuilds?
>> •> btw. it seems there is an intel binary now? thanks for that.
>> •> but pdp did not work for me.
>> •> the first thing to solve would be the output window. which I
>> •> don't see
>> •> how to create?
>> •> marius.
>> •>
>> •> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> •>> I would like to get PDP and PiDiP working well on Mac OS X
>> in the
>> •>> upcoming release.  I don't use PDP, so I don't know how to
>> •>> test it.
>> •>> So I am calling on all of you to tell me what's broken.
>> •>>
>> •>> http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
>> •>>
>> •>> PDP is now compiled with libSDL, so that might also give
>> Mac OS X
>> •>> users a new output option.
>> •>>
>> •>> .hc
>> •>>
>> •>>
>> •>>
>> •>
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Re: [PD] font size survey - please try it on your machine!

2007-04-23 Thread Steffen


On 22/04/2007, at 16.42, Frank Barknecht wrote:


Hallo,
Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


Actually, the patch itself would be better than a screenshot.  I want
to gather all the results into one patch.


Attached are my additions of 0.40 MSP and 0.39.2-extended RC1 on
Linux and a little helper for easier testing.


I've added your additions to the additions made by Olsen and my self.  
Attached.






font_sizes.pd
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Re: [PD] Linux - which distribution to use?

2007-04-23 Thread Patco
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
> hello
>
> i found getting pd running on Ubuntu EXTREMELY easy.
>
> user may use synaptic package manager:
>
>
> 1.) search "Tk8.4", install Tk8.4 & Tk8.4-dev
> 2.) search "tcl8.4", install tcl8.4 & tcl8.4-dev
> 3.) search "alsa", install libalsaound-dev [libalsa is already installed]
>
> download and untar pd-0.40-2
>
> ./configure --enable-alsa
> make, make install
>   
Hello, that is as simple as on any other platform, no matter if it is 
ubuntu or not.
It gets tricky for installing pd at another other level anyway if the 
platform is not debian,
because, most of the stuff will need to be compiled anyway.
PC

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Re: [PD] Test Audio: just trying to hear anything

2007-04-23 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo,
Javier García hat gesagt: // Javier García wrote:

> Frank Barknecht wrote:
> 
> >For generating sound, you could use the "speaker-test" program, that
> >normally comes with the ALSA utils package (in Debian/Ubuntu this is
> >the package called "alsa-utils")
> 
> thanks Frank, I've tried to install alsa-utils but I havent got it... 

Please try again, alsa-utils is an important package. It includes all
the debugging and configuration tools for ALSA like alsamixer, aplay,
aconnect etc. "sudo apt-get install alsa-utils" should install it.

Here's the package homepage: 
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/i386/alsa-utils

Ciao
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