[PD] External compiling!

2007-05-15 Thread Fabio Kaiser
Hey, I've got an external written in C++ and don't know how to compile 
it, so I can use it in PD!

I already downloaded the MinGW compiler but don't know how to use it!

Can anybody help me??

Greets

Fabio



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[PD] compiling flext based externals on windows (was: External compiling!)

2007-05-15 Thread Georg Holzmann
Hallo!

To clear the things up a little bit (I already wrote some mails with Fabio):

 which operating-system?

Fabio is using Windows and tries to compile the GApop external, which is 
based on flext.

So I already suggested him to:
- install a compiler (MinGW)
- install flext
- then compile the external

But that's of course not so easy to explain how to do that on windows ...

LG
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Re: [PD] compiling flext based externals on windows

2007-05-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Georg Holzmann wrote:
 Hallo!
 
 To clear the things up a little bit (I already wrote some mails with Fabio):
 
 which operating-system?
 
 Fabio is using Windows and tries to compile the GApop external, which is 
 based on flext.
 
 So I already suggested him to:
 - install a compiler (MinGW)
 - install flext
 - then compile the external
 
 But that's of course not so easy to explain how to do that on windows ...

i see.
in this case, i would simply read the flext-readme and use the
flext-buildsystem :-)

i think thomas has done a quite good job in documenting how to do it


fabio, keep us informed, on where you have problems in the flext
documentation and the like...

mfg.asdr
IOhannes

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Re: [PD] Connection with sensors - new devices?

2007-05-15 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
Hmmm so is the size of the data chunk the issue here? It took some
looking at the patch with some super arcane int to ascii to float
wizardry to even read the values coming from one sensor.

Could you please elaborate on this? I _THINK_ that the firmware right
now is using the digital connector to measure distance with the sensor
by sending a short several-microsecond pulse, then switching to input
mode and measuring the difference between pulse widths...I'm not a
sonar expert so this is still a bit elusive to me. Does it have to do
w/ the doppler effect in some way?

It is my understanding that this requires the digital in/out to work,
but you are saying that I could do this with the analog instead? Am I
right in guessing that the issue with more than 2 sensors on an
arduino chip is the data chunk size, for lack of a better word, or
do I need to find some (much welcomed if recommended by you experts
out there) more physical computing background knowledge?

Thanks for saving me from an expensive electronics art master's degree
program if you can provide some tutelage!

~Kyle



On 5/14/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You would just send the data as an analog value, which gives you 14-
 bits of resolution.  In the Arduino firmware, it would just take the
 values from the sensor and report them as a analog value using the
 Firmata protocol.  The [arduino] object already understands the
 Firmata protocol, so it would just see the data as any other analog
 message.

 .hc

 On May 10, 2007, at 10:38 PM, marius schebella wrote:

  I think the ultrasonic sensors send serial bytevalues and not an
  analog value, correct? how can you connect them to the pduino? or
  how can you connect even more of them. can firmata handle serial
  inputs?
  marius.
 
  Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
  Well, we are going to be using multiple sensors, so I will let you
  know if this code works with them, once we get to that phase of the
  installation.
  ~Kyle
  On 5/10/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Does this firmware handle multiple ultrasound sensors?  If so, it
  would
  awesome to make a Firmata Ultrasound firmware.  I just started
  making the
  Firmata protocol into a library so that people can write more
  firmwares and
  still use the same objects in the host software.  A multiple
  ultrasound
  sensor would be a great first test of this library, since it
  would only need
  to input data.
 
  .hc
 
 
  On May 10, 2007, at 5:27 PM, Koray Tahiroglu wrote:
  Hello Kyle,
 
  I am glad that those patches worked and helped you out with your
  project. I
  guess big thanks goes to Hans for them, cos during that time, I just
  modified his existing multi-sensor patches and developed them
  further to use
  in my project.
 
  Koray.
 
 
 
 
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  tel: +358 50 939 02 33 ( in Finland only)
  tel: +90 533 712 8245
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On May 10, 2007, at 11:38 PM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
 
  Thanks so much Koray, it works great!
 
  I see you used the same Arduino code for the sensor as I had found,
  and your Pd patch is very well-written and well-commented.
 
  I appreciate this, because I did not want to try coding
  microsecond-level events in Pd by porting the Arduino code and using
  firmata, and I didn't want to use the SimpleMessaging library
  either.
  This helps us out a TON!
 
  ~Kyle
 
  On 5/8/07, Koray Tahiroglu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello Kyle,
 
  Here I attach .pde files for arduino to read ultrasound sensors
  (they might
  have already there in the arduino sketchbook already, but just
  sending to be
  sure) and also modified Hans pd patches for arduino-pd
  communication. I
  didn't test them lately, but they used to be working fine.
 
  best,
 
  Koray.
 
 
 
 
 
  -
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  Media Lab,UIAH
  http://mlab.uiah.fi/~korayt/
  tel: +358 50 939 02 33 ( in Finland only)
  tel: +90 533 712 8245
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On May 8, 2007, at 5:48 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
 
  Hi Koray~
 
  I am working on a group project that involves Arduino and the
  parallax
  PING ultrasonic sensors. Would you be willing to share your Pd
  patches
  regarding this usage, as indicated in this email?
 
  Thanks in advance!
 
  ~Kyle
 
  On 12/22/05, Koray Tahiroglu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  hello Hans,
 
  I made couple of test patches just to see the range and the
  stability
  of the values that I receive from sensors. At the moment, I am
  testing ultrasound sensor and also self made solar panel board
  sensor. After this weekend I will begin to construct my final
  patches
  for a gig that will be on 14th of January. I can upload the patches
  on PD site. During our Arduino+PD workshop two weeks ago, we
  basically started to develop your multi-sensor patch, which actually
  David had changed couple of things during a previous workshop in
  Vancouver. All in 

Re: [PD] Sending data from PD to another program

2007-05-15 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo,
Jared hat gesagt: // Jared wrote:

 What I'd like to also do is have the text display the voting choices. 
 That is, at node dolphin the patch would display octopus and lobster.
 
 Is that information accessible, or am I out of luck?

If you use my [textfile] based solution, then you already have that
information available from the line in the textfile.

Ciao
-- 
 Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__

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Re: [PD] pix_multiblob cpu usage

2007-05-15 Thread Tim Boykett


Of course the obvious solution is to port the OpenCV bits and pieces
to PD/Gem externals :-) We did some last year for , using some  
existing
framework, it worked within one day or so.

There are several vision/video external frameworks out there; are any
of them in Gem or elsewhere in PD (pdp, gridflow, etc)?

tim


On 15/05/2007, at 12:36 PM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:

 On 5/14/07, Nose Hair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I tried running it with a low res 400x300 clip and it still did  
 the same
 thing.  I am trying to get a game going using an FTIR setup. Here  
 is a
 reference:
 http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirsense/

 Jeff Han, sweet reference of course.

 pix_mutiblob is way to slow, I cant get gridflow compiled, and  
 pidip is not
 working currently on the extended version.  Is there another  
 option to do
 functional multitracking on a mac with pure data?  I really cant  
 fork over
 the dough for max/msp/jitter, but there is a free jitter plugin  
 called
 cv.jit that looks great:
 http://www.iamas.ac.jp/~jovan02/cv/
 Is there a posibility that anyone will port this over to PD I wonder?

 I dunno if this will happen or if it is possible to port directly from
 Jitter to Pd (maybe Gridflow or PDP/PIDIP?), but I think we could all
 benefit with some super DSP-geek keeping up with the Joneses on many
 fronts!

 ~Kyle
 -- 

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[PD] Bidirectional Module Problem - dynamically changing delwrite?

2007-05-15 Thread Kim Taylor
Hello everyone again
Can anyone lend me their brain for 5 minutes so I can get a second
opinion of my problem?

Essentially what I'm trying to do is create a *generic* module that
links bi-directionally to other modules: send audio information and
also receive it with minimal time delay.

It is more easily understood by looking at this diagram:
http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~kt503/pd/ID-specific-buffers.JPG
(this example uses 'send'/'receive' but that's just so you get the
idea, they're not appropriate as  functions...)

Given a line of connected modules, audio can be transmitted DOWN the
signal chain easily, by simply connecting the modules. For audio going
up the signal chain though there is difficulty:I had planned to
implement a delread~ function in each module which is set to something
like [delread~ $1-buffer] so that function A for instance has its own
receive buffer (A-buffer), also make the blocksize 1 to minimize
delay.
However writing to these buffers is where I'm stuck- for a connected
object I cannot dynamically alter a delwrite~, even though I can
determine the name of the buffer (by receiving the name of the
previous object in sequence) 'set..' is not supported for that
function.

I also tried throw~/catch~ objects, and I posted about this a few days
ago. Throw will allow me to set it dynamically, however these
functions do weird things at blocksizes other than 64!

So I am stuck. Is there any way I can dynamically create/set a
delwrite~? It seems to be the only function that might work in this
case, and all that I need to do is change the destination.
Or can anyone see another way i could realise the structure shown in the image?

Alternatively, is this something that can be done with externals? I
had hoped I wouldn't have to resort to them and i have no experiece at
all in that department but this is crucial to my project.

Any help would be greatly appreciated
Regards,
Kim

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Re: [PD] wiiremote object for os x?

2007-05-15 Thread Husk 00

On 5/15/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



On May 14, 2007, at 3:14 PM, Husk 00 wrote:

Here's a help file, it may not be super complete:

http://pure-data.cvs.sourceforge.net/pure-data/externals/io/wiiremote/
wiiremote-help.pd



Thank you but this is what i found some day ago...and it's without outlets
examples so i don't known how to use

I am glad to hear that the version that I put out actually works.

Unfortunately, it's not currently building as part of Pd-extended...



I'm not totally  sure that it works. (Seems) i can connect to wiimote but
not recive nothing else than led status (that are fixed numbers)

.hc


husk


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[PD] Realtime-version of I07.phase.vocoder.pd

2007-05-15 Thread Luigi Rensinghoff
Hi List

i come back to an old question, that i havent completely resolved for  
myself.

I need something like the phase-vocoder from the fft-examples but for  
live-input.

Basically: variable live-time-compression-expansion-delay-something.


Has someone done that before ? Or can someone give me a hint ?

Cheers

Luigi

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Re: [PD] pix_multiblob cpu usage

2007-05-15 Thread nosehair911
The buigest problem with opencv (a great option I believe) is that it only 
works on intell processors, so 
anyone on an amd or a ppc (like me) would be screwed.  If there was something 
like that for all 
processors it would be awsome.  I think this kind of computer vision framework 
is needed in PD, 
specially concidering how easy an FTIR setup is to build and the possibilities 
it could open.
Alain
 
 From: Tim Boykett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/05/15 Tue AM 07:41:45 EDT
 To: Kyle Klipowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: Nose Hair [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
  Pure Data List pd-list@iem.at
 Subject: Re: [PD] pix_multiblob cpu usage
 
 
 Of course the obvious solution is to port the OpenCV bits and pieces
 to PD/Gem externals :-) We did some last year for , using some  
 existing
 framework, it worked within one day or so.
 
 There are several vision/video external frameworks out there; are any
 of them in Gem or elsewhere in PD (pdp, gridflow, etc)?
 
 tim
 
 
 On 15/05/2007, at 12:36 PM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
 
  On 5/14/07, Nose Hair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I tried running it with a low res 400x300 clip and it still did  
  the same
  thing.  I am trying to get a game going using an FTIR setup. Here  
  is a
  reference:
  http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirsense/
 
  Jeff Han, sweet reference of course.
 
  pix_mutiblob is way to slow, I cant get gridflow compiled, and  
  pidip is not
  working currently on the extended version.  Is there another  
  option to do
  functional multitracking on a mac with pure data?  I really cant  
  fork over
  the dough for max/msp/jitter, but there is a free jitter plugin  
  called
  cv.jit that looks great:
  http://www.iamas.ac.jp/~jovan02/cv/
  Is there a posibility that anyone will port this over to PD I wonder?
 
  I dunno if this will happen or if it is possible to port directly from
  Jitter to Pd (maybe Gridflow or PDP/PIDIP?), but I think we could all
  benefit with some super DSP-geek keeping up with the Joneses on many
  fronts!
 
  ~Kyle
  -- 
 
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Re: [PD] pix_multiblob cpu usage

2007-05-15 Thread nosehair911
I found a great looking set of vision libraries that might work:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/vxl/
I dont have any programming skills but I'm going to poke around and see what I 
can do.  I think that 
anyone with a little bit of C++ skills would be able to wrap the vcsl library 
within vxl to come up with a 
good computer vision/tracking set of objects.  The question is how cpu 
efficient it will be?
Alain
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/05/15 Tue AM 09:21:34 EDT
 To: Tim Boykett [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kyle Klipowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: Pure Data List pd-list@iem.at
 Subject: Re: [PD] pix_multiblob cpu usage
 
 The buigest problem with opencv (a great option I believe) is that it only 
 works on intell processors, 
so 
 anyone on an amd or a ppc (like me) would be screwed.  If there was something 
 like that for all 
 processors it would be awsome.  I think this kind of computer vision 
 framework is needed in PD, 
 specially concidering how easy an FTIR setup is to build and the 
 possibilities it could open.
 Alain
  
  From: Tim Boykett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: 2007/05/15 Tue AM 07:41:45 EDT
  To: Kyle Klipowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  CC: Nose Hair [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
   Pure Data List pd-list@iem.at
  Subject: Re: [PD] pix_multiblob cpu usage
  
  
  Of course the obvious solution is to port the OpenCV bits and pieces
  to PD/Gem externals :-) We did some last year for , using some  
  existing
  framework, it worked within one day or so.
  
  There are several vision/video external frameworks out there; are any
  of them in Gem or elsewhere in PD (pdp, gridflow, etc)?
  
  tim
  
  
  On 15/05/2007, at 12:36 PM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
  
   On 5/14/07, Nose Hair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I tried running it with a low res 400x300 clip and it still did  
   the same
   thing.  I am trying to get a game going using an FTIR setup. Here  
   is a
   reference:
   http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirsense/
  
   Jeff Han, sweet reference of course.
  
   pix_mutiblob is way to slow, I cant get gridflow compiled, and  
   pidip is not
   working currently on the extended version.  Is there another  
   option to do
   functional multitracking on a mac with pure data?  I really cant  
   fork over
   the dough for max/msp/jitter, but there is a free jitter plugin  
   called
   cv.jit that looks great:
   http://www.iamas.ac.jp/~jovan02/cv/
   Is there a posibility that anyone will port this over to PD I wonder?
  
   I dunno if this will happen or if it is possible to port directly from
   Jitter to Pd (maybe Gridflow or PDP/PIDIP?), but I think we could all
   benefit with some super DSP-geek keeping up with the Joneses on many
   fronts!
  
   ~Kyle
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Re: [PD] wiiremote object for os x?

2007-05-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


On May 15, 2007, at 8:22 AM, Husk 00 wrote:




On 5/15/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On May 14, 2007, at 3:14 PM, Husk 00 wrote:

Here's a help file, it may not be super complete:

http://pure-data.cvs.sourceforge.net/pure-data/externals/io/wiiremote/
wiiremote-help.pd

Thank you but this is what i found some day ago...and it's without  
outlets examples so i don't known how to use


I am glad to hear that the version that I put out actually works.
Unfortunately, it's not currently building as part of Pd-extended...

I'm not totally  sure that it works. (Seems) i can connect to  
wiimote but not recive nothing else than led status (that are fixed  
numbers)


I ported the Max object, but I didn't play with it very long.  I  
didn't get it working, and I don't have a wii remote, so I can't test  
it now.  I think it's very close, but it's just a matter of someone  
messing with it until they find the solution.This could involve  
some C coding.  I'll gladly help however I can.


.hc



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Re: [PD] Realtime-version of I07.phase.vocoder.pd

2007-05-15 Thread Damian Stewart
Luigi Rensinghoff wrote:
 Has someone done that before ? Or can someone give me a hint ?

live time-compression wouldn't make any sense, since you can't travel 
forward in time or can you? (dun-dun-DUN)

you'd need some kind of spooling/unspooling delay if you wanted live 
time-compression to be possible. it could get gradually 'behind' real-time 
as you time-expanded, and would then speed forward 'toward' real-time as 
you time-compressed.

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Re: [PD] Highlight modified abstraction instances with red

2007-05-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

I think there is a lot of potential for using color in Pd patches to  
represent state.   It's just a matter of trying things.  It would  
take some diving into the guts of Pd.

.hc

On May 10, 2007, at 11:42 PM, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote:

 Hallo all,
 Just wanted to post an idea...
 It would be great if Pd highligted modified abstractions in red in
 their parent patch (that is, the one pixel bounding box and text.
 When I've modified one of a bunch of abstractions in a parent and
 close it without saving, I have to open each one to see if it was the
 one I modified.

 Another thing I've been thinking about is an integrated method to view
 diffed patches (most especially when resolving an SVN conflict)...
 something like OS X's FileMerge for Pd.

 Ok, there are my PitS ideas, in case anyone wants to write them before
 I get around to it :).

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Re: [PD] External compiling!

2007-05-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

This will help you with the MinGW/MSYS setup:

http://puredata.org/docs/developer/mingw

.hc

On May 14, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Fabio Kaiser wrote:

 Hey, I've got an external written in C++ and don't know how to compile
 it, so I can use it in PD!

 I already downloaded the MinGW compiler but don't know how to use it!

 Can anybody help me??

 Greets

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Re: [PD] wiiremote object for os x?

2007-05-15 Thread Steffen

On 15/05/2007, at 14.22, Husk 00 wrote:
 and it's without outlets examples so i don't known how to use

Does the corresponding max object have outlet examples - that might  
serve as inspiration for a trail  error [print] investigation. 

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Re: [PD] Realtime-version of I07.phase.vocoder.pd

2007-05-15 Thread Luigi Rensinghoff

Am 15.05.2007 um 16:03 schrieb Damian Stewart:

 Luigi Rensinghoff wrote:
 Has someone done that before ? Or can someone give me a hint ?

 live time-compression wouldn't make any sense, since you can't travel
 forward in time or can you? (dun-dun-DUN)

 you'd need some kind of spooling/unspooling delay if you wanted live
 time-compression to be possible. it could get gradually 'behind'  
 real-time
 as you time-expanded, and would then speed forward 'toward' real- 
 time as
 you time-compressed.



Thats exactly what i mean..

a variable realtime-time-expansion ;-)






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[PD] ANN: munger1~ 1.3.1 released

2007-05-15 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
Download from usual place: http://ico.bukvic.net/Max/munger1~_latest.tar.gz
or http://ico.bukvic.net/Max/munger1~_latest.zip (~370KB, includes source,
Linux-Pd-i386, Mac-Max-UB, and Win32-Max-i386 binaries)

CHANGELOG
=
1.3.1 (May 15 2007)
Fixed Windows issue with modular ADSR instances
Build fixes for Linux
Are we done yet?
Best wishes,

Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
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Virginia Tech
Dept. of Music - 0240
Blacksburg, VA 24061
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Re: [PD] pix_multiblob cpu usage

2007-05-15 Thread chris clepper

On 5/15/07, Tim Boykett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



There are several vision/video external frameworks out there; are any
of them in Gem or elsewhere in PD (pdp, gridflow, etc)?



There's pix_artoolkit which is ARToolkit based and pix_fiducialtrack which
implements the tracking system used by the reacTable.
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Re: [PD] Realtime-version of I07.phase.vocoder.pd

2007-05-15 Thread hard off
maybe easier to go the granular route than mess about with fft.  i
just did a quick search for 'realtime timestretch' and a lot of people
are saying that the granular based patches/plugins are good.

makes sense toocos if you use a phase vocoder approach, you will
have to speed thru the audio to get back from a delayed signal to a
realtime one...but with granular, you can just merge grainclouds.

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Re: [PD] wiiremote object for os x?

2007-05-15 Thread Steffen

On 15/05/2007, at 16.34, Husk 00 wrote:

 Does the corresponding max object have outlet examples - that might
 serve as inspiration for a trail  error [print] investigation.

 yes, i'm doing this, but with not good results

Ok. What do you get? Maybe folks here could help digesting the  
information from the output.

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Re: [PD] Highlight modified abstraction instances with red

2007-05-15 Thread hard off
..and also the ever-requested 'turn an abstraction into a subpatch' button.

was there ever a good reason not to make that?  should be simple, no?

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Re: [PD] Realtime-version of I07.phase.vocoder.pd

2007-05-15 Thread Damian Stewart

Luigi Rensinghoff wrote:


Thats exactly what i mean..

a variable realtime-time-expansion ;-)



i had a pretty thorough dig through I07.phase.vocoder a few months back. 
what you'd basically need to do is something along the lines of using 
[tabwrite~] to write the audio signal in to $0-sample, banging it at the 
end of the table to make it start recording from the beginning again. you'd 
also need something monitoring the current position (use [r location] to 
receive the current position), making it jump back to the start when it hit 
the end.


attached is my [d-pvocst~] which is a hacked up version of the help version 
that a) plays in stereo (with additional logic for dealing with mono files) 
and b) automatically loops between adjustable start and end sample numbers 
in the input arrays. it should be fairly easy to rig it up to tabwrite~ a 
live audio stream in to $0-sample-l and $0-sample-r in the way i described 
above.


enjoy!

--
Damian Stewart

f r e y
live music with machines
http://www.frey.co.nz
http://www.myspace.com/freyed
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#X text 490 335 in cents;
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#X connect 1 1 8 0;
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#X connect 2 0 30 0;
#X connect 4 0 17 0;
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#X connect 6 1 5 0;
#X connect 9 0 10 0;
#X connect 10 0 11 0;
#X connect 12 0 9 1;
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#X connect 14 0 26 0;
#X connect 14 0 27 0;
#X connect 15 0 16 0;
#X connect 17 0 18 0;
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#X connect 20 0 52 0;
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#X connect 22 0 20 1;
#X connect 24 0 20 2;
#X connect 26 0 13 0;

Re: [PD] Bidirectional Module Problem - dynamically changing delwrite?

2007-05-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Kim Taylor wrote:

 So I am stuck. Is there any way I can dynamically create/set a
 delwrite~? It seems to be the only function that might work in this

no, you cannot dynamically change the [delwrite~] name, because
[delwrite~] is the object that actually holds the delay line.
all the [delread~]s and [vd~]s out there will depend on the existence of
a named [delwrite~].

this is much the same as with [catch~]/[throw~] and [send~]/[receive~],
so it follows the same logic: the object that would break everything
when missing, cannot be made missing.

pd does not impose much, but it tends to not allow you to create invalid
dsp-graphs.



 case, and all that I need to do is change the destination.
 Or can anyone see another way i could realise the structure shown in the 
 image?

if you really want a settable [delwrite~], why don't you just use
something like

[set varname2(
|
[receive~ varname]
|
[delwrite~ fixedname]


 
 Alternatively, is this something that can be done with externals? I

not if you prefer no segfaults.

mfga.sdr
IOhannes

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Re: [PD] Highlight modified abstraction instances with red

2007-05-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
hard off wrote:
 ..and also the ever-requested 'turn an abstraction into a subpatch' button.
 
 was there ever a good reason not to make that?  should be simple, no?
 

well, there are plenty of reasons for not doing that.
first of all: an abstraction has features that a subpatch lacks; that is
why they are there. what do you gain from turning abstractions into
subpatches?? compare it to what you lose...

i would vote for a 'turn subpatch into an abstraction' button though.

and of course the long awaited feature to embed abstractions in
abstractions.

mfg.asdr
IOhannes

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Re: [PD] Realtime-version of I07.phase.vocoder.pd

2007-05-15 Thread Luigi Rensinghoff
Thanks a lot to all.

especially for putting my idea somewhere between Albert Einstein and  
Freddy Mercury ;-)

welli'll post my results

Luigi


Am 15.05.2007 um 17:12 schrieb Damian Stewart:

 Luigi Rensinghoff wrote:

 Thats exactly what i mean..
 a variable realtime-time-expansion ;-)

 i had a pretty thorough dig through I07.phase.vocoder a few months  
 back. what you'd basically need to do is something along the lines  
 of using [tabwrite~] to write the audio signal in to $0-sample,  
 banging it at the end of the table to make it start recording from  
 the beginning again. you'd also need something monitoring the  
 current position (use [r location] to receive the current  
 position), making it jump back to the start when it hit the end.

 attached is my [d-pvocst~] which is a hacked up version of the help  
 version that a) plays in stereo (with additional logic for dealing  
 with mono files) and b) automatically loops between adjustable  
 start and end sample numbers in the input arrays. it should be  
 fairly easy to rig it up to tabwrite~ a live audio stream in to $0- 
 sample-l and $0-sample-r in the way i described above.

 enjoy!

 -- 
 Damian Stewart

 f r e y
 live music with machines
 http://www.frey.co.nz
 http://www.myspace.com/freyed
 #N canvas 50 31 1101 773 12;
 #X floatatom 486 370 5 0 0 0 - #0-transpo-set -;
 #X floatatom 164 424 3 0 0 0 - #0-speed-set -;
 #X floatatom 52 426 7 0 0 0 - #0-location-set -;
 #X text 161 405 hundredths;
 #X text 490 335 in cents;
 #X text 415 362 normal;
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 #X array \$0-hann 2048 float 0;
 #X coords 0 1 2047 0 300 100 1;
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 and window-msec (analysis window size in seconds and msec).;
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 #X connect 1 0 2 0;
 #X connect 2 0 3 0;
 #X connect 3 0 4 0;
 #X connect 5 0 9 0;
 #X connect 5 0 20 0;
 #X connect 6 0 5 1;
 #X connect 6 0 7 1;
 #X connect 7 0 8 0;
 #X connect 7 1 8 1;
 #X connect 8 0 18 0;
 #X connect 9 0 19 0;
 #X connect 10 0 5 0;
 #X connect 10 0 7 0;
 #X connect 10 1 6 0;
 #X connect 10 2 11 0;
 #X connect 11 0 12 0;
 #X connect 13 0 1 1;
 #X connect 14 0 1 0;
 #X connect 14 1 4 0;
 #X connect 14 1 13 0;
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 #X connect 17 0 14 0;
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 #N canvas 0 22 450 300 (subpatch) 0;
 #X array \$0-sample-r 4e+06 float 0;
 #X coords 0 1 4e+06 -1 400 150 1;
 #X restore 277 187 graph;
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 #X obj 27 574 soundfiler;
 #X text 358 355 read a sample;
 #X obj 281 355 loadbang;
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 #X obj 65 651 r \$0-insamprate;
 #X obj 8 71 hip~ 5;
 #X obj 8 10 inlet;
 #X obj 128 33 samplerate~;
 #X obj 128 57 s \$0-insamprate;
 #X msg 281 384 ../soud/voice.wav;
 #X obj 281 414 s \$0-read-sample;
 #X obj 28 160 r \$0-read-sample;
 #X obj 27 516 pack s s s;
 #X obj 27 481 t s b b;
 #X obj 99 483 symbol \$0-sample-l;
 #N canvas 0 22 450 300 (subpatch) 0;
 #X array \$0-sample-l 4e+06 float 0;
 #X coords 0 1 4e+06 -1 400 150 1;
 #X restore 276 19 graph;
 #X obj 119 502 symbol \$0-sample-r;
 #X obj 9 97 tabwrite~ \$0-sample-l;
 #X obj 8 46 adc~ 1;
 #X obj 66 49 adc~ 2;
 #X obj 69 74 hip~ 5;
 #X obj 70 124 tabwrite~ \$0-sample-r;
 #X obj 27 622 moses 1;
 #X msg 76 325 44100;
 #X obj 197 306 sel mono;
 #X obj 331 572 soundfiler;
 #X obj 341 596 s \$0-samplength;
 #X obj 331 649 /;
 #X obj 331 673 * 1000;
 #X obj 331 696 s \$0-samp-msec;
 #X obj 369 649 r \$0-insamprate;
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 #X obj 331 488 t s b b;
 #X obj 403 490 symbol \$0-sample-l;
 #X obj 423 509 symbol \$0-sample-r;
 #X obj 331 620 moses 1;
 #X msg 331 548 read -resize \$1 \$2 \, read -resize \$1 \$3;
 #X text 395 454 read mono;
 #X text 157 444 read stereo;
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 #X obj 27 443 demultiplex 0 1;
 #X msg 161 327 0;
 #X msg 201 331 1;
 #X obj 22 269 t b a;
 #X msg 27 547 read -resize \$1 \$2 \$3;
 #X text 11 286 reset for next time;
 #X text 53 202 file [samplerate] [mono];
 #X connect 1 0 48 0;
 #X connect 1 1 8 0;
 #X connect 2 0 7 0;
 #X connect 2 0 30 0;
 #X connect 4 0 17 0;
 #X connect 5 0 8 0;
 #X connect 6 0 1 0;
 #X connect 6 1 5 0;
 #X connect 9 0 

Re: [PD] Sending data from PD to another program

2007-05-15 Thread David Powers
Yes, I would second the recommendation to use Frank's method. I'm
continuing work on extending my own solution quick and dirty solution,
but I have a rather different use scenario in mind (visual/dataflow
method for creating generative chord progressions similar to diagrams
I used to create on paper for improvisors).

~David

On 5/15/07, Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hallo,
 Jared hat gesagt: // Jared wrote:

  What I'd like to also do is have the text display the voting choices.
  That is, at node dolphin the patch would display octopus and lobster.
 
  Is that information accessible, or am I out of luck?

 If you use my [textfile] based solution, then you already have that
 information available from the line in the textfile.

 Ciao
 --
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Re: [PD] Highlight modified abstraction instances with red

2007-05-15 Thread padawan12
 what do you gain from turning abstractions into
 subpatches?? 

You gain the advantage of being able to distribute
a Pd patch built from many disparate abstractions as
a single file.

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[PD] Pd-0.40.2-extended windows builds are back

2007-05-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

I figure I would post out since the Pd-0.40.2-extended windows builds  
have been gone for a while.  They are back as of today:

http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-05-15/

.hc



 


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Re: [PD] Highlight modified abstraction instances with red

2007-05-15 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 what do you gain from turning abstractions into
 subpatches?? 
 
 You gain the advantage of being able to distribute
 a Pd patch built from many disparate abstractions as
 a single file.
 

this advantage you gain from being able to embed abstractions in
abstractions, while at the same time you still have the features of
abstractions (namely: abstraction)

apart from that, tar allows you to distribute your multi-file Pd patch
as a single file too.

mfga.sdr
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Re: [PD] pix_multiblob cpu usage

2007-05-15 Thread Tim Boykett

wiouw!

pix_artoolkit would be very cool. I have seen some of the ARtoolKit  
stuff and
it looks good. I am currently in OSX land, does anyone know whether
the building of pix_artoolkit for OSX can be done?

chrz,

tm

On 15/05/2007, at 4:30 PM, chris clepper wrote:

 On 5/15/07, Tim Boykett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There are several vision/video external frameworks out there; are any
 of them in Gem or elsewhere in PD (pdp, gridflow, etc)?

 There's pix_artoolkit which is ARToolkit based and  
 pix_fiducialtrack which implements the tracking system used by the  
 reacTable.






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Re: [PD] pix_multiblob cpu usage

2007-05-15 Thread chris clepper

pix_artoolkit builds and appears to run.  I have no idea how to effectively
use it though.

On 5/15/07, Tim Boykett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



wiouw!

pix_artoolkit would be very cool. I have seen some of the ARtoolKit
stuff and
it looks good. I am currently in OSX land, does anyone know whether
the building of pix_artoolkit for OSX can be done?

chrz,

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Re: [PD] Pd-0.40.2-extended windows builds are back

2007-05-15 Thread Georg Holzmann
Hallo Hans!

Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:
 I figure I would post out since the Pd-0.40.2-extended windows builds  
 have been gone for a while.  They are back as of today:

very good news - thanks !

Are there also already report on pd-cvs if somthing is not compiling (or 
where do I see if I break something when I add new stuff) ?

LG
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Re: [PD] Highlight modified abstraction instances with red

2007-05-15 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 17:43 +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

 i would vote for a 'turn subpatch into an abstraction' button though.
 
 and of course the long awaited feature to embed abstractions in
 abstractions.

what does this mean? something like libs embed external objects?

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Re: [PD] Highlight modified abstraction instances with red

2007-05-15 Thread Georg Holzmann
Hallo!

 i would vote for a 'turn subpatch into an abstraction' button though.

 and of course the long awaited feature to embed abstractions in
 abstractions.
 
 what does this mean? something like libs embed external objects?

think about maybe like functions in a python script or c program or 
whatever.
You can reuse the function in the whole file, but the function is also 
defined in the same file.

So in PD this would mean that you can define an e-abs (embedded 
abstraction ;) somewhere, which is only valid for the scope of the 
current patch, but you can use this e-abs in the whole patch (or 
abstraction) without coding it multiple times ...

LG
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Re: [PD] Bidirectional Module Problem - dynamically changing delwrite?

2007-05-15 Thread Kim Taylor
Hi

 if you really want a settable [delwrite~], why don't you just use
 something like

 [set varname2(
 |
 [receive~ varname]
 |
 [delwrite~ fixedname]

How exactly can this function as a settable delwrite~?

 no, you cannot dynamically change the [delwrite~] name, because
 [delwrite~] is the object that actually holds the delay line.

Okay I understand... How about delread~ and vd~? If delwrite~ cannot
be dynamically changed because it holds the delay line, then shouldn't
the functions that read from it be more flexible? I have tested and
they do not seem to respond to set :(

Thanks for your help
K

On 5/15/07, IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Kim Taylor wrote:

  So I am stuck. Is there any way I can dynamically create/set a
  delwrite~? It seems to be the only function that might work in this

 no, you cannot dynamically change the [delwrite~] name, because
 [delwrite~] is the object that actually holds the delay line.
 all the [delread~]s and [vd~]s out there will depend on the existence of
 a named [delwrite~].

 this is much the same as with [catch~]/[throw~] and [send~]/[receive~],
 so it follows the same logic: the object that would break everything
 when missing, cannot be made missing.

 pd does not impose much, but it tends to not allow you to create invalid
 dsp-graphs.



  case, and all that I need to do is change the destination.
  Or can anyone see another way i could realise the structure shown in the 
  image?

 if you really want a settable [delwrite~], why don't you just use
 something like

 [set varname2(
 |
 [receive~ varname]
 |
 [delwrite~ fixedname]


 
  Alternatively, is this something that can be done with externals? I

 not if you prefer no segfaults.

 mfga.sdr
 IOhannes


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Re: [PD] Highlight modified abstraction instances with red

2007-05-15 Thread Steffen

On 15/05/2007, at 18.30, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

 apart from that, tar allows you to distribute your multi-file Pd patch
 as a single file too.

I second that.

A more robust way of loading stuff (from fx. an untar'd tar ball)  
would make a better solution. I.e. something that works in different  
distributions (extended, vanilla, etc), is independent from the  
preference and is not a shell script with a bunch of start up  
options. This rant/request might be utter rubbish though - please let  
me know.

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Re: [PD] Bidirectional Module Problem - dynamically changing delwrite?

2007-05-15 Thread Miller Puckette
Yep, I should have thought of that before... I'll stick it on my
dolist.  Meantime, if the number of possible sources is reasonably small,
just make delread~ objects for all of them and use multiplication to
select which one :)

cheers
Miller

On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 06:10:25PM +0100, Kim Taylor wrote:
 Hi
 
  if you really want a settable [delwrite~], why don't you just use
  something like
 
  [set varname2(
  |
  [receive~ varname]
  |
  [delwrite~ fixedname]
 
 How exactly can this function as a settable delwrite~?
 
  no, you cannot dynamically change the [delwrite~] name, because
  [delwrite~] is the object that actually holds the delay line.
 
 Okay I understand... How about delread~ and vd~? If delwrite~ cannot
 be dynamically changed because it holds the delay line, then shouldn't
 the functions that read from it be more flexible? I have tested and
 they do not seem to respond to set :(
 
 Thanks for your help
 K
 
 On 5/15/07, IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Kim Taylor wrote:
 
   So I am stuck. Is there any way I can dynamically create/set a
   delwrite~? It seems to be the only function that might work in this
 
  no, you cannot dynamically change the [delwrite~] name, because
  [delwrite~] is the object that actually holds the delay line.
  all the [delread~]s and [vd~]s out there will depend on the existence of
  a named [delwrite~].
 
  this is much the same as with [catch~]/[throw~] and [send~]/[receive~],
  so it follows the same logic: the object that would break everything
  when missing, cannot be made missing.
 
  pd does not impose much, but it tends to not allow you to create invalid
  dsp-graphs.
 
 
 
   case, and all that I need to do is change the destination.
   Or can anyone see another way i could realise the structure shown in the 
   image?
 
  if you really want a settable [delwrite~], why don't you just use
  something like
 
  [set varname2(
  |
  [receive~ varname]
  |
  [delwrite~ fixedname]
 
 
  
   Alternatively, is this something that can be done with externals? I
 
  not if you prefer no segfaults.
 
  mfga.sdr
  IOhannes
 
 
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Re: [PD] Bidirectional Module Problem - dynamically changing delwrite?

2007-05-15 Thread Steffen


On 15/05/2007, at 19.10, Kim Taylor wrote:


[set varname2(
|
[receive~ varname]
|
[delwrite~ fixedname]


How exactly can this function as a settable delwrite~?


Something along the line of the attached, i'm quite sure.



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[PD] embedded abstractions (Was: Re: Highlight modified abstraction instances with red)

2007-05-15 Thread Claude Heiland-Allen
Georg Holzmann wrote:
 Hallo!
 
 think about maybe like functions in a python script or c program or 
 whatever.
 You can reuse the function in the whole file, but the function is also 
 defined in the same file.

I don't know about Python, but C programs are limited to named
functions, you can't have anonymous functions that you define where you
need them - you end up having to define a zillion names for things you
only use once.

What would be really cool if this gets implemented in the right way, is
that you could have embedded abstractions instantiated in a subpatch of
a main patch by internal messages - should make some dynamic patching
tasks a lot easier (and quicker - I have a patch that has 256 instances
of an abstraction, takes an age to load the abstraction from hard disk
each time...).

What would be even cooler is if you could create embedded abstractions
with internal messages - imagine creating abstractions as and when you
need them (with $0-names if you like, global names if you like too) that
you can use for bits and pieces - so Frank's list-abs things could
change their behaviour at runtime.

Say you had [list-foldr + 0], that sums all elements of a list, you
could send a message like op *, seed 1 to have it clear its current
behaviour and create a new embedded abstraction to find the product of
the elements of a list.  Or even have the parent patch have an embedded
abstraction $0-blah that does:

[inlet] [inlet]
 |   |
 |  [* 10]
 |   |
[+]
 |
[outlet]

Then:

list 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
 |
[list-foldr $0-blah 0]
 |
9876543210  -- in base 10 ;)



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Re: [PD] Highlight modified abstraction instances with red

2007-05-15 Thread David Powers
Yes, that's true, the real problem is something else: There is no easy
way to get a list of external/abstraction dependencies for any given
patch. If you could get such a list, complete with file locations, it
would be easier to collect all your patches for an archive file.

~David

On 5/15/07, IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  what do you gain from turning abstractions into
  subpatches??
 
  You gain the advantage of being able to distribute
  a Pd patch built from many disparate abstractions as
  a single file.
 

 this advantage you gain from being able to embed abstractions in
 abstractions, while at the same time you still have the features of
 abstractions (namely: abstraction)

 apart from that, tar allows you to distribute your multi-file Pd patch
 as a single file too.

 mfga.sdr
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Re: [PD] Highlight modified abstraction instances with red

2007-05-15 Thread padawan12
Is tar available for Windows users?

On 15/05/2007, at 18.30, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

 apart from that, tar allows you to distribute your multi-file Pd patch
 as a single file too.

I second that.

A more robust way of loading stuff (from fx. an untar'd tar ball)  
would make a better solution. I.e. something that works in different  
distributions (extended, vanilla, etc), is independent from the  
preference and is not a shell script with a bunch of start up  
options. This rant/request might be utter rubbish though - please let  
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Re: [PD] Bidirectional Module Problem - dynamically changing delwrite?

2007-05-15 Thread Kim Taylor
Oh I see... Sorry this isn't what I meant- I was looking to switch the
assignments from delread/write objects.
I wasn't really intending to use the delay to add a time delay, more
that it's the only function that allows non-local connections which
works at a reduced block size.
I thought I might as well use send/receive and setting receive like
you did here, but s/r don't work at lower block sizes unfortunately :(

Thanks for your help anyway
K

On 5/15/07, Steffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 15/05/2007, at 19.10, Kim Taylor wrote:

  [set varname2(
  |
  [receive~ varname]
  |
  [delwrite~ fixedname]
 
  How exactly can this function as a settable delwrite~?

 Something along the line of the attached, i'm quite sure.




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Re: [PD] Highlight modified abstraction instances with red

2007-05-15 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
True, it would be great if these features were somehow automated. Like
a dynamic object creation scheme where the external libraries and
abstractions are created as arguments as they are imported.

Probably too much wishing on my end for that though!

~Kyle

On 5/15/07, Georg Holzmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hallo!

  A more robust way of loading stuff (from fx. an untar'd tar ball)
  would make a better solution. I.e. something that works in different
  distributions (extended, vanilla, etc), is independent from the
  preference and is not a shell script with a bunch of start up
  options. This rant/request might be utter rubbish though - please let
  me know.

 That's what declare, import and etc. is for ...

 LG
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Re: [PD] Highlight modified abstraction instances with red

2007-05-15 Thread padawan12
Also, if the patch is to be linked from a web page
(link to a single Pd file) then most browsers can
associate the filetype and open Pd. This doesn't
work if the file is tarred or zipped so just
make it a tar file isn't really a satisfactory
solution. 

The more robust way is to have everything
embedded inside the patch and have Pd handle
it.

I've raised this idea before and I see no 
technical obstacles, since it's already something 
I do painstakingly by hand.





On 15/05/2007, at 18.30, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

 apart from that, tar allows you to distribute your multi-file Pd patch
 as a single file too.

I second that.

A more robust way of loading stuff (from fx. an untar'd tar ball)  
would make a better solution. I.e. something that works in different  
distributions (extended, vanilla, etc), is independent from the  
preference and is not a shell script with a bunch of start up  
options. This rant/request might be utter rubbish though - please let  
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[PD] GEM and chromium

2007-05-15 Thread august


I am currently trying to compile GEM CVS so that it is compatible with the
current version of Chromium (1.9), and am having trouble getting the
Gem.lib to load while chromium is faking the opengl calls.  Has anyone
gotten this to work already?

Without using the Chromium environment, PD runs fine with GEM on the
mothership.   But, when I try to run PD/GEM under Chromium, I get
library loading errors for things like : glGetShaderInfoLog,
glDeleteProgram, etc.)   

Is there a way to compile GEM without glsl support entirely?  I can't
find any way to ./configure it so that glsl is disabled.

I'm pretty confident this should fly, just need to ditch the glsl.

thanks -august. 

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Re: [PD] GEM and chromium

2007-05-15 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 20:16 +0200, august wrote:
 
 I am currently trying to compile GEM CVS so that it is compatible with the
 current version of Chromium (1.9), and am having trouble getting the
 Gem.lib to load while chromium is faking the opengl calls.  Has anyone
 gotten this to work already?
 
 Without using the Chromium environment, PD runs fine with GEM on the
 mothership.   But, when I try to run PD/GEM under Chromium, I get
 library loading errors for things like : glGetShaderInfoLog,
 glDeleteProgram, etc.)   
 
 Is there a way to compile GEM without glsl support entirely?  I can't
 find any way to ./configure it so that glsl is disabled.
 
 I'm pretty confident this should fly, just need to ditch the glsl.

try:

./configure --with-glversion=1.5

at least, that helped here, since my ati card doesn't seem to support
glsl as well.

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Re: [PD] GEM and chromium

2007-05-15 Thread august
 On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 20:16 +0200, august wrote:
  
  I am currently trying to compile GEM CVS so that it is compatible with the
  current version of Chromium (1.9), and am having trouble getting the
  Gem.lib to load while chromium is faking the opengl calls.  Has anyone
  gotten this to work already?
  
  Without using the Chromium environment, PD runs fine with GEM on the
  mothership.   But, when I try to run PD/GEM under Chromium, I get
  library loading errors for things like : glGetShaderInfoLog,
  glDeleteProgram, etc.)   
  
  Is there a way to compile GEM without glsl support entirely?  I can't
  find any way to ./configure it so that glsl is disabled.
  
  I'm pretty confident this should fly, just need to ditch the glsl.
 
 try:
 
 ./configure --with-glversion=1.5
 
 at least, that helped here, since my ati card doesn't seem to support
 glsl as well.
 
 roman


thanks!  that got me past that part.

now I am having problems with framebuffer extenstions
(glCheckFramebufferStatusEXT, etc)

any way to turn this off at compile?



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Re: [PD] pdp quicktime support

2007-05-15 Thread nosehair911
Im trying to get an FTIR game setup and I wanted to try to use pdp_mgrid to get 
the motion tracking 
done due to tha fact that pix_multiblob from Gem is an insane cpu eater.
Alain
 
 From: alejo d [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/05/15 Tue PM 02:42:03 EDT
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: pd-list@iem.at
 Subject: Re: [PD] pdp quicktime support
 
 same situation here, i use pidip over linux but seems that yves will soon
 have to hide from os x users asking a ton of pidip questions... why does
 anyone want to use pidip ?
 
 :P
 
 /a
 
 On 5/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I have tried the most recent version of Pd extended for os x on a ppc from
  the autobuilds and it looks like
  pdp_qt and pdp_yqt still give the unsupported video codec error.  I have
  tried with different codecs but I
  still get the error.  Does someone know of a particular one that has
  worked?  This build loaded up pdp
  and pidip which I have not got to load up before so things are looking
  good.
  Thanks,
  Alain
 
 
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Re: [PD] Sending data from PD to another program

2007-05-15 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo,
Jared Kling hat gesagt: // Jared Kling wrote:
 
 Thanks for responding. I've been playing with state-machine.pd and think 
 I'm getting a grasp of it. At every line, the choice made will send the 
 state machine to that line's choice. For example, consider the following 
 example file, with line numbers in parentheses for easier reading...
 3 4\; (line 0)
 2 3\; (line 1)
 0 1\; (line 2)
 0 0\; (line 3)
 3 1\; (line 4)
 
 So the initial choices would be 3 and 4. choosing 4 would send the state 
 machine to line 4, where the choices would be 3 and 1, etc.

Yes, exactly.

 So I'll need to go through and set every 'node' of the story to a line 
 in the text file, with it's options sending it to the possible voting 
 choices. Since every node has, at most, 2 choices that shouldn't be a 
 problem.
 
 My question would then be how can I go about labeling each line? I'm 
 assuming the \; at the end of each line is a line delimiter, so I could 
 put notes to myself after that line. It also seems like I could make 
 each line set up as follows:
 (linenumber1) (choicename1) (linenumber2) (choicename2)
 so it would look like
 12 Go_Upstairs 7 Stay_Downstairs \;
 
 Then I could display them simply by replacing the [unpack 0 0] with 
 [unpack 0 0 0 0] and the outlets would match the numbers and titles.

Basically yes. However you would need to use [unpack 0 s 0 s] because
every second element is a symbol, not a number, and also the [pd nth]
patch would need to be adapted: You need to select the first and third
element of the choice-list, that is, send a 0 and a 2 to the right
inlet.

However I guess it would be easier to keep it as it is, and use
another textfile only for translating numbers to labels. This textfile
would load a textfile only with labels, like: 
  
  Go_Upstairs
  Stay_Downstairs
  Fall_from_a_Tree
  ...

and you would use a simular construct as in [pd get-line...] to fetch
the correct label from that textfile by line-number.

Btw: It occured to me, that the version I had posted was actually
showing the past selection, not the one that a user can choose ATM. I
attached a slight modification, so that the possible state
transitions now show the possible *next* states to select.

 I guess I have two final questions, both slightly tangential. First, how 
 do you get a textfile to be read in by state-machine? You're using 
 random numbers to generate a list of numbered pairs and I can't seem to 
 figure out how to actually get it to read in from text, either from 
 looking through the PD list archive and the reference material. I feel 
 like this is probably one of those simple questions that I just haven't 
 been able to find the answer to.

You use a read filename.txt message. Check out the help-patch for
textfile. There is also the read filename.txt cr message possible
which would treat a normal linebreak as a line ending, so you can omit
the ; that normally terminates lines in [textfile].


 Second, is there a way to have the titles in each line contain spaces? 
 That is, have the lines look like something like...
 12 Go Upstairs 7 Stay Downstairs
 
 Conversely, is there an easy way to strip out underscores?

There is no easy way, especially not if you store mixed lines like: 
12 Go_Upstairs 7 Stay_Downstairs: Because then a space would mess up
the numbe of items like this:

Index: 0  1   2 3
Line:  12 Go_Upstairs 7 Stay_Downstairs

Index: 0  1  23 45
Line:  12 Go Upstairs 7 Stay Downstairs

However if you use a second textfile for labels as I recommend above,
you could use the abstraction [list-l2s] from the [list]-abs
collection to convert the lists stored in the label-textfile (like Go
Downstairs) to symbols containing spaces easily. 

I put an example for the conversion into attached file as well.

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Re: [PD] embedded abstractions (Was: Re: Highlight modified abstraction instances with red)

2007-05-15 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo,
Claude Heiland-Allen hat gesagt: // Claude Heiland-Allen wrote:

 What would be even cooler is if you could create embedded abstractions
 with internal messages - imagine creating abstractions as and when you
 need them (with $0-names if you like, global names if you like too) 

Which makes me wonder: Should these theoretical embedded abstractions
have their own $0? I'd vote for yes.

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Re: [PD] Highlight modified abstraction instances with red

2007-05-15 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] hat gesagt: // [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is tar available for Windows users?

Yes, every decent packer for Windows (WinZip, 7-zip etc.) also
supports tar. But ideally this probably should be build into Pd, like
a new filetype: *.pdt which is a tar-archive that gets unpacked by Pd
when loading, and gets packed by Pd when saving a file as *.pdt

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Re: [PD] Highlight modified abstraction instances with red

2007-05-15 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
I was going to suggest that too! How difficult would that be?

Then, people could pack all libraries and externals needed in a
standalone package if needed.

~Kyle

On 5/15/07, Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hallo,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] hat gesagt: // [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Is tar available for Windows users?

 Yes, every decent packer for Windows (WinZip, 7-zip etc.) also
 supports tar. But ideally this probably should be build into Pd, like
 a new filetype: *.pdt which is a tar-archive that gets unpacked by Pd
 when loading, and gets packed by Pd when saving a file as *.pdt

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Re: [PD] embedded abstractions (Was: Re: Highlight modified abstraction instances with red)

2007-05-15 Thread Claude Heiland-Allen
Frank Barknecht wrote:
 Hallo,
 Claude Heiland-Allen hat gesagt: // Claude Heiland-Allen wrote:
 
 What would be even cooler is if you could create embedded abstractions
 with internal messages - imagine creating abstractions as and when you
 need them (with $0-names if you like, global names if you like too) 
 
 Which makes me wonder: Should these theoretical embedded abstractions
 have their own $0? I'd vote for yes.

Of course!  They can get their parents' $0s if the parent wants to pass
them down through creation arguments, like any other abstraction :)

 
 Ciao



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Re: [PD] pdp quicktime support

2007-05-15 Thread Pagano, Patrick
The answer to all my questions about OSX pdp was and I quote 

Install Linux

 

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Subject: Re: [PD] pdp quicktime support

Im trying to get an FTIR game setup and I wanted to try to use pdp_mgrid
to get the motion tracking done due to tha fact that pix_multiblob from
Gem is an insane cpu eater.
Alain
 
 From: alejo d [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/05/15 Tue PM 02:42:03 EDT
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: pd-list@iem.at
 Subject: Re: [PD] pdp quicktime support
 
 same situation here, i use pidip over linux but seems that yves will 
 soon have to hide from os x users asking a ton of pidip questions... 
 why does anyone want to use pidip ?
 
 :P
 
 /a
 
 On 5/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 
  I have tried the most recent version of Pd extended for os x on a 
  ppc from the autobuilds and it looks like pdp_qt and pdp_yqt still 
  give the unsupported video codec error.  I have tried with different

  codecs but I still get the error.  Does someone know of a particular

  one that has worked?  This build loaded up pdp and pidip which I 
  have not got to load up before so things are looking good.
  Thanks,
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Re: [PD] pdp quicktime support

2007-05-15 Thread Pagano, Patrick
JPEG CODEC

And again, after install replace the libquicktime.dylib from sevvy's
release wity the one you have now
Make sure you back em up etc.
I will send you my working dylib for you to try tonight if you do not
succeed

pp
 

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I have tried the most recent version of Pd extended for os x on a ppc
from the autobuilds and it looks like pdp_qt and pdp_yqt still give the
unsupported video codec error.  I have tried with different codecs but I
still get the error.  Does someone know of a particular one that has
worked?  This build loaded up pdp and pidip which I have not got to load
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[PD] Myron for Pd

2007-05-15 Thread nosehair911
Does anyone know if someone has ported Myron to Pd?
http://webcamxtra.sourceforge.net/index.shtml
Thanks,
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[PD] Fwd: pda_gumstix.tar

2007-05-15 Thread alejo d

i just had the chance to finally testy port of puredata for the PDA called
pda by gunter geiger, i can report that the gumstix connex 400mhz using a
gpstix reports that i manage to make a god port:

# ./pd_ok -nogui -nomidi -verbose
Pd version 0.37.4
compiled 23:12:25 Apr 23 2007
opened 0 MIDI input device(s) and 0 MIDI output device(s).
input channels = 2, output channels = 2
opened /dev/dsp for reading and writing

opened audio output on /dev/dsp; got 2 channels
bytes per sample = 2
setting nfrags = 8, fragsize 1024

audiobuffer set to 50 msec
OSS: requested audio buffer size 8816 limited to 8192
opened audio input device /dev/dsp; got 2 channels
bytes per sample = 2
OSS: issuing first ADC 'read' ... ...done.

the bin is attached in case anyone want to help me test it.

/a

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Re: [PD] Myron for Pd

2007-05-15 Thread chris clepper

I worked with a Director project that used the Xtra.  It was pretty slow.

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Does anyone know if someone has ported Myron to Pd?
http://webcamxtra.sourceforge.net/index.shtml
Thanks,
Alain


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Re: [PD] pdp quicktime support

2007-05-15 Thread nosehair911
I tried replacing the libquicktime.0.dylib with the one from the pidip .zip but 
it still wont recognize jpec 
codec or any other codec.  If you can help I would apreciate it.
Alain
 
 From: Pagano, Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2007/05/15 Tue PM 03:47:28 EDT
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
   pd-list@iem.at
 Subject: RE: [PD] pdp quicktime support
 
 JPEG CODEC
 
 And again, after install replace the libquicktime.dylib from sevvy's
 release wity the one you have now
 Make sure you back em up etc.
 I will send you my working dylib for you to try tonight if you do not
 succeed
 
 pp
  
 
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 Subject: [PD] pdp quicktime support
 
 I have tried the most recent version of Pd extended for os x on a ppc
 from the autobuilds and it looks like pdp_qt and pdp_yqt still give the
 unsupported video codec error.  I have tried with different codecs but I
 still get the error.  Does someone know of a particular one that has
 worked?  This build loaded up pdp and pidip which I have not got to load
 up before so things are looking good.
 Thanks,
 Alain
 
 
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Re: [PD] port of puredata (PDa) for the gumstix

2007-05-15 Thread geiger
Quoting alejo d [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 http://bekstation.bek.no/immigrante/pda_port_for_the_gumstix/pda_gumstix.tar

 i just had the chance to finally testy port of puredata for the PDA called
 pda by gunter geiger, i can report that the gumstix connex 400mhz using a
 gpstix says this:

 # ./pd_ok -nogui -nomidi -verbose
 Pd version 0.37.4
 compiled 23:12:25 Apr 23 2007
 opened 0 MIDI input device(s) and 0 MIDI output device(s).
 input channels = 2, output channels = 2
 opened /dev/dsp for reading and writing


Hi alejo,

This is great, congratulations :)
Going to check out all those who asked for it and let them test. May I put
a link on the webpage ?

Greetings,

Günter


 opened audio output on /dev/dsp; got 2 channels
 bytes per sample = 2
 setting nfrags = 8, fragsize 1024

 audiobuffer set to 50 msec
 OSS: requested audio buffer size 8816 limited to 8192
 opened audio input device /dev/dsp; got 2 channels
 bytes per sample = 2
 OSS: issuing first ADC 'read' ... ...done.

 if you happen to have a gumstix, help me test it:

 http://bekstation.bek.no/immigrante/pda_port_for_the_gumstix/pda_gumstix.tar

 /a


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Re: [PD] pdp quicktime support

2007-05-15 Thread alejo d

same situation here, i use pidip over linux but seems that yves will soon
have to hide from os x users asking a ton of pidip questions... why does
anyone want to use pidip ?

:P

/a

On 5/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I have tried the most recent version of Pd extended for os x on a ppc from
the autobuilds and it looks like
pdp_qt and pdp_yqt still give the unsupported video codec error.  I have
tried with different codecs but I
still get the error.  Does someone know of a particular one that has
worked?  This build loaded up pdp
and pidip which I have not got to load up before so things are looking
good.
Thanks,
Alain


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Re: [PD] Pd-0.40.2-extended windows builds are back

2007-05-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

On May 15, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Georg Holzmann wrote:

 Hallo Hans!

 Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:
 I figure I would post out since the Pd-0.40.2-extended windows  
 builds  have been gone for a while.  They are back as of today:

 very good news - thanks !

 Are there also already report on pd-cvs if somthing is not  
 compiling (or where do I see if I break something when I add new  
 stuff) ?

 LG
 Georg

Either watch pd-cvs for the summary or look at the auto-build site:

http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/

Pd-extended should build on all platforms, Pd-main just on the GNU/ 
Linux platforms.  All of the complete build logs for every build are  
up there too.

.hc




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Re: [PD] port of puredata (PDa) for the gumstix

2007-05-15 Thread marius schebella
wow, that's great! I have no gumstix yet, but was wanting to buy one for 
a long time. thanks!
marius.


alejo d wrote:
 http://bekstation.bek.no/immigrante/pda_port_for_the_gumstix/pda_gumstix.tar
 
 i just had the chance to finally testy port of puredata for the PDA 
 called pda by gunter geiger, i can report that the gumstix connex 400mhz 
 using a gpstix says this:
 
 # ./pd_ok -nogui -nomidi -verbose
 Pd version 0.37.4
 compiled 23:12:25 Apr 23 2007
 opened 0 MIDI input device(s) and 0 MIDI output device(s).
 input channels = 2, output channels = 2
 opened /dev/dsp for reading and writing
 
 opened audio output on /dev/dsp; got 2 channels
 bytes per sample = 2
 setting nfrags = 8, fragsize 1024
 
 audiobuffer set to 50 msec
 OSS: requested audio buffer size 8816 limited to 8192
 opened audio input device /dev/dsp; got 2 channels
 bytes per sample = 2
 OSS: issuing first ADC 'read' ... ...done.
 
 if you happen to have a gumstix, help me test it:
 
 http://bekstation.bek.no/immigrante/pda_port_for_the_gumstix/pda_gumstix.tar 
 http://bekstation.bek.no/immigrante/pda_port_for_the_gumstix/pda_gumstix.tar
 
 /a
 
 
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