Re: [PD] compiling pure data CVS externals on openSUSE: file missing?
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 01:04:50AM -0400, eric labelle wrote: I'm trying still to get a reasonable Pd install working under openSUSE and while I was compiling the externals from the CVS i came upon this: cc: /home/dubian/pure-data/externals/creb/modules/bitsplit~.o: No such file or directory make: *** [/home/dubian/pure-data/externals/creb/modules/bitsplit~.pd_linux] Error 1 I hope all the necessary info is there and I would appreciate any light anyone can shed on this no, actually it isn't enuf at all. send the full output, and what did you run? 'make clean' ? or what? in /home/dubian/pure-data/externals ? post more info, or if you need only some externals - just get those compiled. Thanks, Cheers Eric ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] fundamentalism and macs in brasil... (Was: Why in Brasil and how?)
what would be the opposite of fundamentalist? In a tricky way you could be a fundamentalist on the opposite side I suppose... or maybe someone who doesnt mind too much on taking one side, or sticking to one belief. I think things tend to be more complex than black or white... but I dont see why the discussin needs to reach this anyway... the prize for a MacBook was 10612 brazilian real (about 5400$) to 2499$ + 200 tax in the US. Hmm, I doubt, I'd say the ratio is closer to 3 to 1 (6.000 $ to 2.000$) but it must be considered that we get paid in real, in a similar fashion (same number figures) than what someone is paid in US$, so 10.000 reais is not simply 5.000 US$... the convertion doesnt work like that and it means it is much more... pople also get paid really badly here... (hello... poor country). So if you consider paying 10.000 US$ on a macbook, it seems about right. I just paid 2.200 US$ on the top line mac in the US, which is the amount of money I would pay in a reasonably good PC in Brasil, or even cheaper... considering that it is a great machine... so it was a nice deal... the majority of rich people believes: making the rich richer is good for everybody (at least that is how they vote all the time). the rest believes: helping as many people as possible to live a worthy life is good for everybody. I do believe there is no simple answer, and even if a system states that it is based in some sort of ideal as democracy or freedom... it doesnt really mean it works that way in practice... I know I dont have the answers marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: glerm soares wrote: Hi folks. I didn't mean to be the annoying guy, fundamentalist or whatever. what would be the opposite of fundamentalist? why brazil? and how? why open source? I just looked up the prize for a MacBook Pro 2.4Ghz 15inch in sao paulo and it was 10612 brazilian real (about 5400$) the same macbook has a regular prize of 2499$ + 200 tax in the US. the majority of rich people believes: making the rich richer is good for everybody (at least that is how they vote all the time). the rest believes: helping as many people as possible to live a worthy life is good for everybody. I think a pd conv in brazil only makes sense, if it is in connection with a knowledge flow and general (financial) flow/support from north to south. it should encourage the local community and their work. like it did in graz and montreal. there should be money from the european community to support the relationship to south american countries. marius. - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] advertising paradises (was: Why in Brasil and how?)
that same old advertisement about beach paradises bored me Funny, cause it was supposed to be a negative advertisement... once the pdCon is being considered in Sao Paulo... (the urban inferno) in a sense that people should be prepared not to find that kind of paradise on these parts... and I bet they do (who doesnt?). But then, if people would like to see some paradise (beware of sharks) try to fit some papers into SBCM ( http://gsd.ime.usp.br/sbcm/2007/english/index.html ) in case both of them do happen one after the other :) glerm soares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks. I didn't mean to be the annoying guy, fundamentalist or whatever. But that same old advertisement about beach paradises bored me and I overreacted. :P I'd like you too find another reasons to know people far from your blocks. I hope this meeting happens. But beeing truly honest - I just prefer to be the one that could help things work in the informal world, with people meeting for happenings, hack afternoons, residences or simply to know good people and plan something intersting together. By show business I just meant something like events that works with idea of names, pedestals, tables, glasses of water over it and where people don't get really in touch because of the pedestals. Sorry, I just felt unconfortable about that, and I had to express it. But I know you understand what I mean. Just bringing the problem to discuss... About linux or fundamentalism . Just consider that Brasil __needs__ free software - and to respect and take this seriously could really support the development of such scenarios (wich PD is included ). I'm just estimulating this idea. Sorry about the jokes, but I stand my position that I'd prefer too stimulate DYI attitudes. We really need that here. A public University in Brasil supporting expensive device and software (and estimulating spoiled fetishisms) is not intelligent. But this an old flame war. I'm tired too feed it. Think different... whatever.. Sarava für alles... salut... see you soon glerm - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Why in Brasil and how?
marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think a pd conv in brazil only makes sense, if it is in connection with a knowledge flow and general (financial) flow/support from north to south. it should encourage the local community and their work. like it did in graz and montreal. there should be money from the european community to support the relationship to south american countries. alexandre porres is writting: Well, I dont know wether there it should be money from north... but Hey, if there is... Wonderful :) Now... where is it? :) Seriously, the main cost I see is the travel expenses from north to south... maybe, in advance, people could manage this funding help you mention specifically to this purpose. An european budget to make people in Europe travel up here or elsewhere... that makes sense. But then, tell me more about what you mean please... It should definately encourage the local community and their work. Of course :) is that like something that would justify raising funds? Like some sort of Foster help thing? cheers alex marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: glerm soares wrote: Hi folks. I didn't mean to be the annoying guy, fundamentalist or whatever. what would be the opposite of fundamentalist? why brazil? and how? why open source? I just looked up the prize for a MacBook Pro 2.4Ghz 15inch in sao paulo and it was 10612 brazilian real (about 5400$) the same macbook has a regular prize of 2499$ + 200 tax in the US. the majority of rich people believes: making the rich richer is good for everybody (at least that is how they vote all the time). the rest believes: helping as many people as possible to live a worthy life is good for everybody. I think a pd conv in brazil only makes sense, if it is in connection with a knowledge flow and general (financial) flow/support from north to south. it should encourage the local community and their work. like it did in graz and montreal. there should be money from the european community to support the relationship to south american countries. marius. - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pdpedia test sites
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to me, the whole media-wiki thing seems too clone all over in a bad way, it smoothes the identities away from the www space .. The web has always been about sharing content. The identity thing is something that people tacked on it however they could. The original WikiWikiWeb was about content and just content. MediaWiki isn't much different, it only has a broader definition of content. Maybe you still want years and years of shovelfuls and truckfuls and planetfuls of different user interfaces that are different from each other for the only reason that people want to differentiate each other. If you were actually focusing on content you wouldn't want that. it just next to google, working together for globalisation of the web. The problem with globalisation as it's been portrayed in news is that it's the one-sided story of a group of investors that want to have more power than governments. Globalisation is also about people around the world being more connected to each other, and it is also other things, but those investors precisely want you to confuse the several facets of globalisation. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] select backward compatibility
Roman Haefeli wrote: inlet: expected 'signal' but got 'list' the statement, that it expected 'signal' is false, because it obviously also accepts floats. but then i find it easier to find a conversion from a single number (float) into a fixed sized number-list (signal) than a conversion from an arbitrary sized list (list) into a fixed sized number-list (signal). the former is just a constant signal whereas the latter is: a transition? personally i would have preferred no implicit float-signal at all (use [sig~] for that. but who knows this object nowadays?). it gives confusion in constructs like [loadbang] | [sig~ 100] [30( | | +--+ | [osc~] | does the oscillator run at 100, 30, or 130 Hz? mga. IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] compiling pd extended from CVS
eric labelle wrote: Yeah Mathieu...it fails everytime...has anyone found a way around that yet? well, obviously the way around is disabling mpeg3 support in Gem. if you configure Gem, just add --disable-mpeg3 et voila... another option is to install the libmpeg3-headers! i think Gem's configure just checks for the existence of the library (/usr/lib/lib...) and assumes that the headers are installed too...which is not a very foolproof thing. if the problem persists, send me the output of configure. fmgasd.r IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] next conv in Brasil... meaning business
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think that the Montreal Pd Convention did a good job of being a community event while still having a academic segment. If it is a problem to get university support then I certainly don't mind the so-called academic segment to be handled outside of a university. It was already somewhat like that, as the reviewers included people outside of universities, and McGill mostly just provided the room and projector. It could have happened in another room in the city. However I would not spit on most any university support. São Paulo guys should at least try to get some university support and then if there is not much or if it is otherwise not appropriate then they can fall back on their grassroots. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Why in Brasil and how? (was: next conv in Brasil... meaning business)
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, PORRES wrote: Sure, what amazed me is that it seemed there were several parallel events going on... (workshops, papers, round tables... concerts, etc...) for every taste or interest! Usually (at least here in Brasil for instance) the schedule is organized in a way that the events occur not simultaneously, or the events focus on one segment. At both pd conventions there was not much overlap. There was more overlap in the Montréal one because there was more stuff. I don't know whether I'd like the next one to have less stuff in it. Perhaps taking more time like 5 or 6 days would be better. (Not counting the registration, the party and the brunch, the Montréal convention was more like 4 days) I dont know how things happened in the first convention (you guys can tell me though), but I do believe we could do something multidimensional here as well... with barcamps too... sure... It's better to organise the schedule so that people organised in one thing aren't likely to be interested in the other thing that happens at the same time, but perhaps it's easy to say and hard to do. I do think the idea is to take it to several places... no matter how mature is the thing over there... You don't need to have the developers, you need people who stick together well and who are committed. If you have a Users Group with meetings, it can help connecting people together. It doesn't need to be a club with registration nor a not-for-profit company, it just needs people that want to meet other users of pd. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pdpedia test sites Why ?
well there is quite many pd-related sites already, i thought why pdpedia is needed ? As a primo-supporter of the idea in France, let me try to explain. There are main reasons: 1/ there is no dictionnary or lexicon about the 3000 objects/externals/abstraction usable in PD. Most of the ressources about those components are spread over a hundred sites, and help patches are not made to explain all about one component. 2/ the actual documentation is static. Once made, (most of the time) by the developper and published somewhere on the web, there are few possibilities for the community to correct, complete, translate or improve the quality of this documentation. 3/ the actual documentation is mainly in English == impossible to persuade some schools to use open source software in many countries without localised documentation ( I have seen this case many times in France). 4/ most of the coders are not good documenters. Sometimes they don't document ( exept the help patch), because they don't like this work, or because they don't know how to do it clean. The pedagogic aspect of a documentation is important for newbies. As in Wikipedia, everyone should have the possibility to improve one of the 3000 components in a few clicks, and publish it instantaneously to all the community. 5/ there is no tool to know which object/external/abstraction is available for the use people need for their patch. Learning the 3000 components needs a life or autistic capacities. Pdpedia will have both a category portal and a search engine. The pdpedia project is to build a living/open/collective/multilingual encyclopedy about each of the actual 3000 possible components in a PD patch. Each page of PDpedia can welcome many rubriques as those we have published here for test last year http://pdpedia.dreamhosters.com/index.php?title=Menu (not completed, and for test only) Many advantages output from a wikipedia-like process: -The users can be contributors of the documentation. -The users can be translators of the documentation. -The pdpedia file can be (automatically) embbeded in each new pd release or nightly build giving the possibility to have a complete doc offline. -The pdpedia database can be easily edited in paper or booklets with wikimedia tools. -The pdpedia database server engine could in the future understand text patches and translate them into images. -Reversely, a click on a patch image in your browser could open the patch in PD ? and many other possibilities. But for my opinion, the main advantage is that the users collaborate to make the best clear and useful documentation, like in wikipedia. JN PS. just in case, the pdpedia.org DNS has been bought for one year by our non-profit org last october, and we offer it to PD community if needed. Otherwise, the name will be automatically deleted in one month. -- - Jean-Noël Montagné http://www.artsens.org http://www.craslab.org http://www.fluxtation.org - ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] problem compiling pool! help please
Hi, it's listed as one of the prerequisites in readme.txt that you need to have the pd source code (and adjust the paths to it) to be able to compile flext. Just using a pd installation is not enough as the g_canvas.h header file might be missing there. greetings, Thomas Am 06.09.2007 um 10:48 schrieb F R E N K: hey! thanx for the quick reply!! i checked both flext and pool with all the externals folder yet when i tried to compile flext i got a big big error (prepare): [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/cvs/externals/grill/flext$ sudo bash build.sh pd gcc make -f ./buildsys/gnumake-sub.mak PLATFORM=lnx RTSYS=pd COMPILER=gcc BUILDPATH=./buildsys/ PKGINFO=package.txt BUILDCLASS=flext USRCONFIG=config.txt USRMAKE=build/gnumake-lnx- gcc.inc TARGETMODE=release TARGETTYPE=single _build_ make[1]: Entering directory `/home/furenku/cvs/externals/grill/flext' mkdir -p pd-linux/release-single/ g++ -c -msse -mfpmath=sse -ffast-math -O3 -march=pentium4 - pthread -fPIC -DFLEXT_USE_SIMD -DNDEBUG -DFLEXT_EXPORTS - DFLEXT_SYS=2 -DPD -I/usr/local/src/pd/src -I/usr/local/include/stk - I/usr/local/include/sndobj source/flbase.cpp -o pd-linux/release- single/flbase.opp source/flbase.cpp:29:22: error: g_canvas.h: No such file or directory source/flbase.cpp: In static member function ‘static bool flext_obj_single::GetParamSym(t_atom, const t_symbol*, _glist*)’: source/flbase.cpp:130: error: ‘canvas_realizedollar’ was not declared in this scope source/flbase.cpp:133: error: ‘canvas_realizedollar’ was not declared in this scope make[1]: *** [pd-linux/release-single/flbase.opp] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/furenku/cvs/externals/grill/flext' make: *** [build-release-single] Error 2 the first time , a config.txt was created the contents of which are: # comment out to inhibit SIMD (Altivec/SSE) usage SIMD=1 its not so big after all, maybe you know what i am doing wrong? thanx in advance, Rodrigo Prueba Live.com- Tu página persoanlizada con todas las cosas que te interesan en un solo lugar. En un solo lugar ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pyode external
Hi Frank, i just wanted to have a look at your pyode external, but can't find it. Is it still lying in your private treasure chest? greetings, Thomas ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] select backward compatibility
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: [list( | [print] (no method for 'bang') I don't have a clear idea of which is right, but I do think that they should give the same error. Personally I would prefer it if [print] was less keen on trying to be smart and would just print list instead of bang here. I guess, much of the confusion about Pd's message type system may come from dubious [print]-output like this, where [print] is taken to show what's really going on when in fact it's already showing a modified result. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Music Video done with Pd/Gem
Hi, I've just uploaded a music video rendered with Pd/Gem to a track of mine. The track is done with Pd, Hydrogen and Ardour. http://www.last.fm/music/Residuum/+videos cu Thomas -- Prisons are needed only to provide the illusion that courts and police are effective. They're a kind of job insurance. (Leto II. in: Frank Herbert, God Emperor of Dune) http://thomas.dergrossebruder.org/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] my first extension, FINISHED
Hallo, Atte André Jensen hat gesagt: // Atte André Jensen wrote: Where should I look to learn about polyphony handling in pd? Maybe you could even give me a quick overview of the broad perspective? The best place is Miller's Book, chapter Automation and voice management: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/latest/book-html/node58.html Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] A polyphonic synthesizer and some music made with it
Hallo, Phil Stone hat gesagt: // Phil Stone wrote: Submitted for your approval, a cpu-stingy polyphonic synthesizer with sssad state-saving: http://www.pkstonemusic.com/polyWaveSynth.html Looks very nice and sounds cool! One remark: You're on Windows, right? On Linux, which is more picky about case sensitivity, several of the objects don't create, because upper and lower case names don't match between the filenames and the object names, namely [polyWaveSynth] vs. PolyWaveSynth.pd (note: p != P). (I normally only use lower case names all over.) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pdpedia test sites Why ?
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 10:54:13AM +0200, JNM wrote: well there is quite many pd-related sites already, i thought why pdpedia is needed ? As a primo-supporter of the idea in France, let me try to explain. There are main reasons: 1/ there is no dictionnary or lexicon about the 3000 objects/externals/abstraction usable in PD. Most of the ressources about those components are spread over a hundred sites, and help patches are not made to explain all about one component. 2/ the actual documentation is static. Once made, (most of the time) by the developper and published somewhere on the web, there are few possibilities for the community to correct, complete, translate or improve the quality of this documentation. 3/ the actual documentation is mainly in English == impossible to persuade some schools to use open source software in many countries without localised documentation ( I have seen this case many times in France). yeah.. i didn't find ANY even just info article in russian ..so i'll try hard to get something done but might take my a while 4/ most of the coders are not good documenters. Sometimes they don't document ( exept the help patch), because they don't like this work, or because they don't know how to do it clean. The pedagogic aspect of a documentation is important for newbies. As in Wikipedia, everyone should have the possibility to improve one of the 3000 components in a few clicks, and publish it instantaneously to all the community. 5/ there is no tool to know which object/external/abstraction is available for the use people need for their patch. Learning the 3000 components needs a life or autistic capacities. Pdpedia will have both a category portal and a search engine. may it can have some search for the puredata.info/Members/* as well, like an extra section, some stuff there might be helpful, but not for such a general use .. The pdpedia project is to build a living/open/collective/multilingual encyclopedy about each of the actual 3000 possible components in a PD patch. Each page of PDpedia can welcome many rubriques as those we have published here for test last year http://pdpedia.dreamhosters.com/index.php?title=Menu (not completed, and for test only) Many advantages output from a wikipedia-like process: -The users can be contributors of the documentation. -The users can be translators of the documentation. -The pdpedia file can be (automatically) embbeded in each new pd release or nightly build giving the possibility to have a complete doc offline. -The pdpedia database can be easily edited in paper or booklets with wikimedia tools. -The pdpedia database server engine could in the future understand text patches and translate them into images. -Reversely, a click on a patch image in your browser could open the patch in PD ? yeah, the idea of an offline doc collection is great. it could be cool to conver them in manpage-like format, and a have little broser embedded in pd ... and many other possibilities. But for my opinion, the main advantage is that the users collaborate to make the best clear and useful documentation, like in wikipedia. i might do some docs in russian, once i get few things sorted around it .. JN PS. just in case, the pdpedia.org DNS has been bought for one year by our non-profit org last october, and we offer it to PD community if needed. Otherwise, the name will be automatically deleted in one month. -- - Jean-Noël Montagné http://www.artsens.org http://www.craslab.org http://www.fluxtation.org - ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pdpedia test sites Why ?
With that site: http://puredata.lynksee.com/wiki/Documentaci%C3%B3n_sobre_Pure_Data we began with same idea but focused in spanish language. If pdpedia go ahead we can add our documentation to new wiki. Is a great idea. 5/ there is no tool to know which object/external/abstraction is available for the use people need for their patch. Learning the 3000 components needs a life or autistic capacities. Pdpedia will have both a category portal and a search engine. Yes!. I did know a person expert in all feautures of pd. I think there are many way for to research in pd environment, so a good documentation really help to choose the right way. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Music Video done with Pd/Gem
Vircy Parker wrote: curious! Can you explain how did you save the video? I've used [pix_write] to get .jpg images and then combined these to a movie and added the audio via mencoder: mencoder -mf fps=17.79 -ffourcc DX50 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=9800:aspect=4/3:vhq:keyint=15 -audiofile verspuckte_Schlucke.mp3 -oac copy -vf scale=640:480 -o residuum-verspuckte_schlucke.avi mf://*.jpg Actually, the capturing is quite CPU consuming, the patch was running with 40 fps, but after a calculation of the number of screenshots, I only got 17.79 fps, and that on a fairly new laptop computer I have borrowed for that purpose (my machine was way to slow). cu Thomas -- Prisons are needed only to provide the illusion that courts and police are effective. They're a kind of job insurance. (Leto II. in: Frank Herbert, God Emperor of Dune) http://thomas.dergrossebruder.org/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] A polyphonic synthesizer and some music made with it
Hi Frank, I have no idea how that happened -- I'm on OS X, so I'm pretty careful about case. Anyway, I uploaded a new archive with the right case: http://www.pkstonemusic.com/code/polyWaveSynth.tgz Thanks for letting me know. Phil Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Phil Stone hat gesagt: // Phil Stone wrote: Submitted for your approval, a cpu-stingy polyphonic synthesizer with sssad state-saving: http://www.pkstonemusic.com/polyWaveSynth.html Looks very nice and sounds cool! One remark: You're on Windows, right? On Linux, which is more picky about case sensitivity, several of the objects don't create, because upper and lower case names don't match between the filenames and the object names, namely [polyWaveSynth] vs. PolyWaveSynth.pd (note: p != P). (I normally only use lower case names all over.) Ciao ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] compiling pd extended from CVS
I've disabled mpeg3 because the missing libmpeg3.h get bugging up the Gem compile. Now I have Gem compiled and installed but Pd can't seem to load it! Here is what Pd tells me: ./Gem.pd_linux: ./Gem.pd_linux: undefined symbol: glGetShaderInfoLog Gem: can't load library I really have no clue and am really new to Pd so maybe it's something obvious but to me it isn't lol :S Thanks again for taking the time to help me! e 2007/9/6, IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED]: eric labelle wrote: Yeah Mathieu...it fails everytime...has anyone found a way around that yet? well, obviously the way around is disabling mpeg3 support in Gem. if you configure Gem, just add --disable-mpeg3 et voila... another option is to install the libmpeg3-headers! i think Gem's configure just checks for the existence of the library (/usr/lib/lib...) and assumes that the headers are installed too...which is not a very foolproof thing. if the problem persists, send me the output of configure. fmgasd.r IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pyode external
Hallo, Thomas Grill hat gesagt: // Thomas Grill wrote: i just wanted to have a look at your pyode external, but can't find it. Is it still lying in your private treasure chest? It was. ;) I made a quick and dirty download: http://footils.org/pkg/pyode-montreal.tgz Not much docs in it, but I'd recommend to start with the pyode-*.pd files or with powerpointer.pd, which is the presentation I gave. I want to clean it up a bit before I commit it to the CVS, and there will be some changes to the message interface. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] next conv in Brasil... meaning business
If it is a problem to get university support Is actually the opposite. I Believe we could get much more involvement and fundings from it here in Brasil! :) You don't need to have the developers, you need people who stick together Sure, Cool... And as I said, it's nice to have some local meetings before an international one... and the goal must be gathering people! Users, whatever... like you described. It's better to organise the schedule so that people organised in one thing aren't likely to be interested in the other thing that happens at the same time hmmm, yeah, the event in Montreal could be much longer if things werent all at the same time... We could have here a longer event. If it is smaller, things could be not simultaneous... one way or another, there should be plenty space and material for a Convention here... Cheers alexandre torres porres - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pdpedia test sites Why ?
On 06/09/2007, at 10.54, JNM wrote: ild0012 wrote: why pdpedia is needed ? As a primo-supporter of the idea in France, let me try to explain. There are main reasons: (snip) There a a lot of good ideas there - agreed. Just got a^Htwo questions. Why can't those issues be solved by using *-help.pd files (or allabout-*.pd files if needed be) as how the PDDP tried to do it? - As i see it, the only (but very likely very important) new this is the multilingual issue, which i don't see why couldn't be solved in .pd doman. If the real problem is, that people (that write good documentation) can't be asked to submit edited versions of existing (or non existing) help files to the PDDP cvs folder, then maybe a easier way to submit would solve the problem? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] thanks ¬ remarks # mtl ¬ ca
hala, before leaving MTL i wanted to send a few comments on pd'conv : first, many thanks to : * my excellent friend Naveen Goswamy, that we forgot to credit in our performance for it was a last-minute collaboration * darsha and the organization for making efforts to getting us to canada and the unforgetable experience of waking up to the sound of the chipmunks ( anybody has a chipmunk patch ? ) now, the few remarks you expect, wouldn't be funny without a bit of critics, ain't it? * i want to unthank the U.S. authorities for not letting any non-western white people change of flight on their sacred ground without getting a visa : to spend 4 hours in the sacred JFK, any south american needs to pay for a visa which means a 100 dollars racket organized mafia. i also unthank them for checking me 2 hours WHEN I DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO ENTER THE US! Any civilized country has a zone for transit as it should be defined in international agreements and rules, the retarded americans don't. * i'm not sure the SAT was the right place to organize all working sessions i feel they just felt invaded and it was hard to get an internet connection and a cool place to work ( also the bar was closed during working sessions ) in fact, i didn't feel like i would like to stay long in the SAT. also, i don't think they are very open-source and was they presented was not. about the next pd conv, i don't feel like organizing anything, sorry, but as a well known fact, barcelona has a good pd community ( http://stream.r23.cc/etc/puredata.html ) and is mainly supported by : * universidad Pompeu Fabra ( where GG teaches PD ) * Le Hangar : a real open-source media lab, run by Pedro Soler and Lluis Gomez * some hacklabs like 'La Fibra', 'Kernel Panic', ... that can host hacking sessions ( without time limit and open bar ) well, i might speak of this when i get back there, saludos, sevy ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] compiling pd extended from CVS
eric labelle wrote: I've disabled mpeg3 because the missing libmpeg3.h get bugging up the Gem compile. Now I have Gem compiled and installed but Pd can't seem to load it! Here is what Pd tells me: ./Gem.pd_linux: ./Gem.pd_linux: undefined symbol: glGetShaderInfoLog Gem: can't load library I really have no clue and am really new to Pd so maybe it's something obvious but to me it isn't lol :S Thanks again for taking the time to help me! this has been discussed several times on the list; in case you do not know it, you can access (and search!) the archives of the pd-list at http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list apart from that: you have some weird driver (libGL) vs. headerfiles (GL/) discrepancy that is normal to mesa. Gem tries to use openGL-2.0 features which are not supported by your card/openGL-driver. you can force Gem to use a certain openGL-version with the configure-flag --with-glversion (try: --with-glversion=1.5) m,fg.asdr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] my first extension, FINISHED
On 05/09/2007, at 11.39, Atte André Jensen wrote: 3) Feedback? It compiles fine on os x too. Not surprisingly i suppose. 5) Did I reinvent the wheel? No idea really. I'm not musically trained in the traditional sense, hence things that relates to that I normally store in /dev/null. But i would think it would be a fun exercise to build it in pure Pd objects - being new to Pd and into legato especially. This relates to your question. There is a tendency in thinking that objects that can be build by using pure Pd object are better kept build in pure Pd objects rather then coded as an external. That said, it's not a universal truth. Taste, ease and/or speed are important factors here. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] installing flext
Hi I wanted to play with py/pyext, but I'm stuck at installing flext (under debian/linux). Here's what I did: Grabbed flext-0.5.0.tgz from http://g.org/ext/flext/, extracted it to ~/software/pd/flext. I then cd'ed to flext and ran bash build.sh pd gcc and updated buildsys/config-lnx-pd-gcc.txt to look like this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/software/pd/flext$ grep -v '#' buildsys/config-lnx-pd-gcc.txt PDPATH=/home/atte/software/pd/current FLEXTPREFIX=/usr/local OUTPATH=/home/atte/music/synth/pd/externals/flext INSTPATH=/usr/local/lib/pd/extra UFLAGS=-msse -mfpmath=sse -ffast-math OFLAGS=-O3 OFLAGS+=-march=pentium4 Then I ran sudo bash build.sh pd gcc install looked at config.txt (didn't change anything, it just contained one line SIMD=1) but got this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/software/pd/flext$ sudo bash build.sh pd gcc install make -f ./buildsys/gnumake-sub.mak PLATFORM=lnx RTSYS=pd COMPILER=gcc BUILDPATH=./buildsys/ PKGINFO=package.txt BUILDCLASS=flext USRCONFIG=config.txt USRMAKE=build/gnumake-lnx-gcc.inc TARGETMODE=release TARGETTYPE=single _install_ make[1]: Entering directory `/home/atte/software/pd/flext' install pd-linux/release-single/libflext-pd_s.a.0.5.0 /usr/local/lib install: cannot stat `pd-linux/release-single/libflext-pd_s.a.0.5.0': No such file or directory make[1]: *** [_install_] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/atte/software/pd/flext' make: *** [install-release-single] Error 2 I'm baffled... -- peace, love harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://atte.dk/compositions ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pdpedia test sites Why ?
1) the help patches are not easily searcheable and 2) you can only search for objects that are on your computer, but what if you search for an object that has a certain feature and is maybe in a library that you don't have yet. 3) pd patches cannot have meta information. it is more difficult to script into them and get information out of them than it is from websites. 4) history showed, that almost noone ever changed a helppatch and reposted it to the repository. at least not the majority of users, with a web based solution this will be much easier. 5) you can have links, images, videos, better structure in wikipedia than in pd. - you can not have the interaction feeling you have in pd, though. therefore the help patches will be the first reference. marius. Steffen wrote: On 06/09/2007, at 10.54, JNM wrote: ild0012 wrote: why pdpedia is needed ? As a primo-supporter of the idea in France, let me try to explain. There are main reasons: (snip) There a a lot of good ideas there - agreed. Just got a^Htwo questions. Why can't those issues be solved by using *-help.pd files (or allabout-*.pd files if needed be) as how the PDDP tried to do it? - As i see it, the only (but very likely very important) new this is the multilingual issue, which i don't see why couldn't be solved in .pd doman. If the real problem is, that people (that write good documentation) can't be asked to submit edited versions of existing (or non existing) help files to the PDDP cvs folder, then maybe a easier way to submit would solve the problem? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pdpedia test sites Why ?
Steffen a écrit : On 06/09/2007, at 10.54, JNM wrote: ild0012 wrote: why pdpedia is needed ? As a primo-supporter of the idea in France, let me try to explain. There are main reasons: (snip) There a a lot of good ideas there - agreed. Just got a^Htwo questions. Why can't those issues be solved by using *-help.pd files (or allabout-*.pd files if needed be) as how the PDDP tried to do it? - As i see it, the only (but very likely very important) new this is the multilingual issue, which i don't see why couldn't be solved in .pd doman. If the real problem is, that people (that write good documentation) can't be asked to submit edited versions of existing (or non existing) help files to the PDDP cvs folder, then maybe a easier way to submit would solve the problem? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Hello, I hope I'm not so far from the subject, but what about adding clickable links option into the console for getting the documentation of objects, and patches, at first creation, and first occuring error? begin:vcard fn:Patrice Colet n:Colet;Patrice adr;dom:;;;Nice;;06100 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;cell:06 32 66 03 57 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pdpedia test sites Why ?
Patrice Colet wrote: Hello, I hope I'm not so far from the subject, but what about adding clickable links option into the console for getting the documentation of objects, and patches, at first creation, and first occuring error? I think it would be to much console output, although some libraries do a printout when they are initiated. but the link idea is good and already included in the pddp helpfiles. the link will show up in the help patch. the object that creates links is called pddplink. marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Font problem? Spaces replaced by boxes
i've had the same issue on ubuntu with extended (rev ?, i'd have to go have alook): screenshot here: www.jasch.ch/dl/ds_davos_soundscape/Screenshot.png /*j On 07.09.2007, at 06:26, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey, I don't quite understand the issue. Could you take a screenshot? I don't think I've seen something like that before. .hc On Sep 6, 2007, at 11:10 PM, Spencer Russell wrote: Hey all, I recently installed Pd-0.40.3-extended-20070824-debian-testing-i386.deb from the nightly auto-builds, and the first time I ran it I was pleasantly surprised by the improved font appearance throughout. However, the next time I ran it, several days later, any spaces in the status window are replaced by boxes, and when I start a new object, it is filled with 3 boxes, which get overwritten when I add text. Anyone seen this before? I don't remember changing anything on my system lately that would have messed up the fonts, but it's a possibility. Thanks, spencer ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list -- -- All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pdpedia test sites Why ?
On Sep 6, 2007, at 11:25 AM, Steffen wrote: On 06/09/2007, at 10.54, JNM wrote: ild0012 wrote: why pdpedia is needed ? As a primo-supporter of the idea in France, let me try to explain. There are main reasons: (snip) There a a lot of good ideas there - agreed. Just got a^Htwo questions. Why can't those issues be solved by using *-help.pd files (or allabout-*.pd files if needed be) as how the PDDP tried to do it? - As i see it, the only (but very likely very important) new this is the multilingual issue, which i don't see why couldn't be solved in .pd doman. If the real problem is, that people (that write good documentation) can't be asked to submit edited versions of existing (or non existing) help files to the PDDP cvs folder, then maybe a easier way to submit would solve the problem? Hopefully the pdpedia will spur the creation of better help patches. I certainly hope the pdpedia does not replace the effort to make better help patches, I don't think that's anyone's intention. The core idea of the pdpedia is that it's a place where the community can easily contribute. Plus I think it will be very helpful to get the documentation translated into other languages. Then we don't have to wait for localized comment support. .hc ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] wii-mote and puredata
hi, i would like to use my new wimote with puredata , for controlling the point of view of the camera in a gem patch. Do anybody have tried this before? is there any patch that somebody can share? if not... which external do i need in order to use wimote and pd? i have a last question..Do i need that infrarred light for controlling 3d rotation with the wiimote? thanks - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Font problem? Spaces replaced by boxes
Hey all, I recently installed Pd-0.40.3-extended-20070824-debian-testing-i386.deb from the nightly auto-builds, and the first time I ran it I was pleasantly surprised by the improved font appearance throughout. However, the next time I ran it, several days later, any spaces in the status window are replaced by boxes, and when I start a new object, it is filled with 3 boxes, which get overwritten when I add text. Anyone seen this before? I don't remember changing anything on my system lately that would have messed up the fonts, but it's a possibility. Thanks, spencer ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
