Re: [PD] Bug in lister (zexy) ?

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Monday 01 October 2007 15:36:02 IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
>> appreciating that you found a bug in [lister] (which has been around for
>> quite a while and i do believe it was useful and used), i cannot follow
>> your arguing:
>> though shalt not use aliases for buggy objects
>> though shalt not use 1-character names for buggy objects
>> though shalt rename buggy objects to [buggy_]
>> though shalt not use buggy objects
>> though shalt not write buggy objects
>>
>> not much left to use then...
> 
> Did I write anything that could be interpreted as offensive ? If yes I'm 
> sorry.

no no.
i was just saying that your consequence from a buggy object was a bit 
too much for my taste.


> I'm not blaming anybody for the (arguably small) issue at hand, we were just 
> discussing the reasons why one would expect certain objects to have shortcuts 
> or not. Of course "bugginess" can't be a criterion as nobody knows a priori 
> whether if his code is 100% error-proof (and nobody can honestly guarantee to 
> write bug-free code). 

right, that is what i was trying to say.

> However, in this particular case, since we know there 
> are a couple issues with [lister] 

how many issues do you have with lister. in all the years of its 
existance, i remember exactly 3 bugs filed at the sf tracker:
- sending data to the 2nd inlet while the outlet is still sending 
corrupts the output.
- the help file speaks of "a nonexistant [list] object"
- the object shouldn't be abbreviated [l]

and then there is another "bug" which has not been filed to the tracker yet:
- [lister] can be replaced by [list append]

so we have 4 issues, and honestly all but the first ones are not "bugs" 
in a strict sense.
which leaves us at only 1 issue (which has been fixed in the CVS)


> and since I was told it could be deprecated 
> in favor of [list append], my opinion is that maybe the shortcut should be 
> assigned to the latter in order to prevent people unaware of pd's historical 
> development to choose the former.

well, in theory this is correct.
in practice there are several issues:
- [l] is _not_ yet a shortcut for an internal list object. however, some 
object has to provide the (bug-free) functionality of [l], in order to 
not break existing patches
- [list append] is _not_ exactly the same as [lister]. you can make a 
[lister] (or [l]) _abstraction_ with built-in objects:

|   |
[route bang]|
|  ||
|  [t b a]  |
+--+ |  |
|+--+
[list append ]
|


- afaik, this patchlet is 100% compatible, if you feed all the arguments 
of [lister] to the [list append] replacement.


- this patchlet cannot be made into a 100% compatible _abstraction_ with 
pd-internals, because there is no way to pass a variable number of 
arguments to an abstraction. you would need my "$@" patch against Pd for 
this.

these are the reasons why there still is a [lister]/[l] object in zexy 
and why it is done as an external.


on the other side, a lot of objects in zexy are there only because they 
aren't there in Pd yet (for instance, zexy had a [tabread4] object long 
before Pd...)
i would love it, if Pd's [list] object (which is an alias to [list 
append], would really behave in-line with the [float] and [symbol] 
objects (see above patch)
i would love it, if this [list] object would have an alias [l].

fmg.asdr
IOhannes

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] call for pdpedia language site admins

[Uğur Güney]

http://wiki.puredata.info/tr/index.php?title=%C5%9Eablon:Infobox_Objectclass
# I created the object but this time borders are not visible. :-(
# Sorry for bothering too much, I'm new to MediaWiki.
-uğur-

http://wiki.puredata.info/tr/%C5%9Eablon

On 10/2/07, marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> you also need to create the template for the objectclass.
> you can have a look at:
> http://pdpedia.at.or.at/en/Template:Infobox_objectclass
> be careful with capital letters.
> marius.
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Re: [PD] pdpedia

[marius schebella]

Luke Iannini (pd) wrote:
> Another hopefully extensible suggestion: larger libraries with a cohesive
> purpose should get a standard boilerplate message saying something like
> "Cyclone is a library for creating Max compatible patches.  The closest
> pd-native equivalent of this object is [until]."

almost everything in the infobox is a link. so you can click on cyclone 
and then you will see the information that you suggested. (although this 
still has to be inserted).

> or "GEM is a library for 3D
> graphics.  For an overview of GEM, see ".  

yes, the libraries are also categories. at the bottom of the page is 
always a link to the category, that will give you an overview of all 
objects of a library.

> The Cyclone example is sort
> of an extension of the "deprecated by" suggestion: in general, it would be
> nice to direct users to the "right object".

if an object is deprecated it still will have its own page. but of 
course you can add a link to the "right object", but that has to be done 
manually. for objects from different libraries but with the same name 
there will be disambiguation pages that will link to all the objects.

marius.

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Re: [PD] pdpedia

[Roman Haefeli]

hey

great work! thanks a lot to all, who helped realizing that wiki,
especially to marius and hans.

i hope, i can contribute as well...


roman


On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 20:54 -0400, marius schebella wrote:
> hey,
> 
> pdpedia is online!
> 
> It is a child of the second pdconv in montreal and many people helped 
> putting it up, hans and I finally did the import of the objects and the 
> main layout for the site. I hope you will like it.
> At the moment we still use the address http://wiki.puredata.info, but it 
> should be www.pdpedia.org in the next days/weeks. (at the moment 
> pdpedia.org is linked to a test site...)
> The general idea of the project is to have better documentation of Pd, 
> mainly - but not only - its objectclasses. I hope it will become a 
> useful tool to search for objects and ways how to do things in Pd. the 
> search field should really work as a "how do I..."
> all objects have some basic information like a short description, 
> library, categories, ... but we also dumped text that we found in the 
> helppatches to give a little help for filling in content. that is the 
> goal, to get many people involved in sharing knowledge about how to use 
> the objects, document features, and so on.
> at the moment we are running without authorization, everybody can edit 
> and create pages (a wiki page is created by putting two brackets around 
> a word like [[this]] then you click on that link and can edit the new 
> page...). If we get in troubles with spam we will have to restrict 
> editing only for registered users, but everybody can register, feel free 
> to create an account.
> if you see links like Template:blablabla in the beginning: that is a 
> global wiki variable. we use it for all information that is presented on 
> more than one page. for example the URL for a library. just fill in the 
> content of the variable and it will show up on all pages.
> I don't want to write to much, so I stop, plese send feedback.
> 
> marius.
> 
> ps: and yes, there are some bugs still.
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Re: [PD] pdpedia

[marius schebella]

Luke Iannini (pd) wrote:
> It would be great to take a really well known object and do a "reference
> article" to somewhat establish quality standards for the articles, and give
> lazy editors a template to work from when cleaning up the dumped text.

yes, good idea. we already prepared inlet/outlet/arguments/messages but 
this is really open.

> A "see also"/"related" section would be great, like [append]: see also:
> [list]. (maybe the categories take care of this)

that has to be added for each object individually. sometimes objects 
belong to one category, then you can go to the category and all objects 
will be listed there. but of course that is something different than 
related objects or see also.
another nice feature is "what links here" on the left navigation bar.

> Also, a standard for writing "deprecated by" would be really helpful for old
> objects.

yes, we prepared that too, I just turned it on. there is a status field 
in the infobox where you can add the status ("ok" or "deprecated") just 
add information like "replaced by"
marius.

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Re: [PD] pdpedia

[Luke Iannini (pd)]

Another hopefully extensible suggestion: larger libraries with a cohesive
purpose should get a standard boilerplate message saying something like
"Cyclone is a library for creating Max compatible patches.  The closest
pd-native equivalent of this object is [until]." or "GEM is a library for 3D
graphics.  For an overview of GEM, see ".  The Cyclone example is sort
of an extension of the "deprecated by" suggestion: in general, it would be
nice to direct users to the "right object".
Luke


On 10/1/07, Luke Iannini (pd) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hey, this is really cool!  Great work!  I am committed to contributing as
> much as I can.
>
>
> It would be great to take a really well known object and do a "reference
> article" to somewhat establish quality standards for the articles, and give
> lazy editors a template to work from when cleaning up the dumped text.
>
> A "see also"/"related" section would be great, like [append]: see also:
> [list]. (maybe the categories take care of this)
>
> Also, a standard for writing "deprecated by" would be really helpful for
> old objects.
>
>
> big cheers
> Luke
>
> On 10/1/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yay!!
> >
> > Everyone dump your content into it, it is a ready recepticle!
> >
> > :D
> >
> > .hc
> >
> > On Oct 1, 2007, at 8:54 PM, marius schebella wrote:
> >
> > > hey,
> > >
> > > pdpedia is online!
> > >
> > > It is a child of the second pdconv in montreal and many people helped
> > > putting it up, hans and I finally did the import of the objects and
> > > the
> > > main layout for the site. I hope you will like it.
> > > At the moment we still use the address http://wiki.puredata.info,
> > > but it
> > > should be www.pdpedia.org in the next days/weeks. (at the moment
> > > pdpedia.org is linked to a test site...)
> > > The general idea of the project is to have better documentation of Pd,
> > > mainly - but not only - its objectclasses. I hope it will become a
> > > useful tool to search for objects and ways how to do things in Pd. the
> > > search field should really work as a "how do I..."
> > > all objects have some basic information like a short description,
> > > library, categories, ... but we also dumped text that we found in the
> > > helppatches to give a little help for filling in content. that is the
> > > goal, to get many people involved in sharing knowledge about how to
> > > use
> > > the objects, document features, and so on.
> > > at the moment we are running without authorization, everybody can edit
> > > and create pages (a wiki page is created by putting two brackets
> > > around
> > > a word like [[this]] then you click on that link and can edit the new
> > > page...). If we get in troubles with spam we will have to restrict
> > > editing only for registered users, but everybody can register, feel
> > > free
> > > to create an account.
> > > if you see links like Template:blablabla in the beginning: that is a
> > > global wiki variable. we use it for all information that is
> > > presented on
> > > more than one page. for example the URL for a library. just fill in
> > > the
> > > content of the variable and it will show up on all pages.
> > > I don't want to write to much, so I stop, plese send feedback.
> > >
> > > marius.
> > >
> > > ps: and yes, there are some bugs still.
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Re: [PD] pdpedia

[Luke Iannini (pd)]

Hey, this is really cool!  Great work!  I am committed to contributing as
much as I can.

It would be great to take a really well known object and do a "reference
article" to somewhat establish quality standards for the articles, and give
lazy editors a template to work from when cleaning up the dumped text.
A "see also"/"related" section would be great, like [append]: see also:
[list]. (maybe the categories take care of this)

Also, a standard for writing "deprecated by" would be really helpful for old
objects.

big cheers
Luke

On 10/1/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Yay!!
>
> Everyone dump your content into it, it is a ready recepticle!
>
> :D
>
> .hc
>
> On Oct 1, 2007, at 8:54 PM, marius schebella wrote:
>
> > hey,
> >
> > pdpedia is online!
> >
> > It is a child of the second pdconv in montreal and many people helped
> > putting it up, hans and I finally did the import of the objects and
> > the
> > main layout for the site. I hope you will like it.
> > At the moment we still use the address http://wiki.puredata.info,
> > but it
> > should be www.pdpedia.org in the next days/weeks. (at the moment
> > pdpedia.org is linked to a test site...)
> > The general idea of the project is to have better documentation of Pd,
> > mainly - but not only - its objectclasses. I hope it will become a
> > useful tool to search for objects and ways how to do things in Pd. the
> > search field should really work as a "how do I..."
> > all objects have some basic information like a short description,
> > library, categories, ... but we also dumped text that we found in the
> > helppatches to give a little help for filling in content. that is the
> > goal, to get many people involved in sharing knowledge about how to
> > use
> > the objects, document features, and so on.
> > at the moment we are running without authorization, everybody can edit
> > and create pages (a wiki page is created by putting two brackets
> > around
> > a word like [[this]] then you click on that link and can edit the new
> > page...). If we get in troubles with spam we will have to restrict
> > editing only for registered users, but everybody can register, feel
> > free
> > to create an account.
> > if you see links like Template:blablabla in the beginning: that is a
> > global wiki variable. we use it for all information that is
> > presented on
> > more than one page. for example the URL for a library. just fill in
> > the
> > content of the variable and it will show up on all pages.
> > I don't want to write to much, so I stop, plese send feedback.
> >
> > marius.
> >
> > ps: and yes, there are some bugs still.
> >
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Re: [PD] [OT?] Debian+Jack+Firebox+Pd = Bummer

[Ken Restivo]

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On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 12:55:02AM -0400, Myo wrote:
> Hello list,
> 
> Sorry if this is too OT, but I think some people here might have/had the
> same problem.
> 
> The recipe for fun is as follows:
> 
> 12" Powerbook G4 1.33ghz
> Presonus firebox
> Debian testing/Lenny
> 2.6.22.9 kernel compiled for low latency
> Jack 0.103.0-6
> Hans' Pd-extended 0.39.2-rc5
> 
> So far I have managed to get the firebox recognized by jack using Freebob.
> When I start Jack, the Firebox's light turns blue, and it shows up in the
> patch window. When I start Pd, I can set it to use Jack as it's interface,
> and Pd, too, shows up in the patch window.
> 
> This sounds like it's working fine, but when I try to open a patch or turn
> on the DSP in Pd, it hangs indefinitely until I killall pd. Then of course
> Jack freaks out, and I have to killall jackd too.
> 
> I should point out that Pd works fine without Jack, using OSS and the
> onboard soundcard, but not with ALSA. Starting jack with ALSA and the
> onboard card gives me A/D/A sync errors.
> 
> I hope that somebody here can help out. I'm not a total nub, but this has me
> stumped. Google's and forum's have turned up no useful info.
> 
> 

Ask on the freebob list. I vaguely recall PPC issues with FreeBoB, but I'm not 
sure.

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Re: [PD] [OT?] Debian+Jack+Firebox+Pd = Bummer

[Myo]

Cool thanks, good to hear.

do you mind if you post your Jack and Pd settings, and maybe some raw1394
related lines from config files and such?


Thanks alot



On 10/1/07, Mysth-R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> This may not help you, but, I use a firebox too, and it works perfectly
> with Jack and PD.
> PlanetCCRMA Fedora7
> Jack 103
> Kernel 2.6.22.6
> Pd 0.39.2
>
> So If it works for me, it might be a possibility for you ...
> I can't help you but
>
>
> 2007/10/1, Myo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > Hello list,
> >
> > Sorry if this is too OT, but I think some people here might have/had the
> > same problem.
> >
> > The recipe for fun is as follows:
> >
> > 12" Powerbook G4 1.33ghz
> > Presonus firebox
> > Debian testing/Lenny
> > 2.6.22.9 kernel compiled for low latency
> > Jack 0.103.0-6
> > Hans' Pd-extended 0.39.2-rc5
> >
> > So far I have managed to get the firebox recognized by jack using
> > Freebob. When I start Jack, the Firebox's light turns blue, and it shows up
> > in the patch window. When I start Pd, I can set it to use Jack as it's
> > interface, and Pd, too, shows up in the patch window.
> >
> > This sounds like it's working fine, but when I try to open a patch or
> > turn on the DSP in Pd, it hangs indefinitely until I killall pd. Then of
> > course Jack freaks out, and I have to killall jackd too.
> >
> > I should point out that Pd works fine without Jack, using OSS and the
> > onboard soundcard, but not with ALSA. Starting jack with ALSA and the
> > onboard card gives me A/D/A sync errors.
> >
> > I hope that somebody here can help out. I'm not a total nub, but this
> > has me stumped. Google's and forum's have turned up no useful info.
> >
> >
> > Thanks alot,
> >
> >
> > Cory
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Re: [PD] pdpedia

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Yay!!

Everyone dump your content into it, it is a ready recepticle!

:D

.hc

On Oct 1, 2007, at 8:54 PM, marius schebella wrote:

> hey,
>
> pdpedia is online!
>
> It is a child of the second pdconv in montreal and many people helped
> putting it up, hans and I finally did the import of the objects and  
> the
> main layout for the site. I hope you will like it.
> At the moment we still use the address http://wiki.puredata.info,  
> but it
> should be www.pdpedia.org in the next days/weeks. (at the moment
> pdpedia.org is linked to a test site...)
> The general idea of the project is to have better documentation of Pd,
> mainly - but not only - its objectclasses. I hope it will become a
> useful tool to search for objects and ways how to do things in Pd. the
> search field should really work as a "how do I..."
> all objects have some basic information like a short description,
> library, categories, ... but we also dumped text that we found in the
> helppatches to give a little help for filling in content. that is the
> goal, to get many people involved in sharing knowledge about how to  
> use
> the objects, document features, and so on.
> at the moment we are running without authorization, everybody can edit
> and create pages (a wiki page is created by putting two brackets  
> around
> a word like [[this]] then you click on that link and can edit the new
> page...). If we get in troubles with spam we will have to restrict
> editing only for registered users, but everybody can register, feel  
> free
> to create an account.
> if you see links like Template:blablabla in the beginning: that is a
> global wiki variable. we use it for all information that is  
> presented on
> more than one page. for example the URL for a library. just fill in  
> the
> content of the variable and it will show up on all pages.
> I don't want to write to much, so I stop, plese send feedback.
>
> marius.
>
> ps: and yes, there are some bugs still.
>
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] call for pdpedia language site admins

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Plus imports show up as normal edits, so you can do them at any time,  
and if oyu mistakenly overwrite something, it'll be in the history.

.hc

On Oct 1, 2007, at 8:13 PM, marius schebella wrote:

> what I did was working with database files. I found it much easier  
> to edit in one big file than to edit every page. so for  
> translations, you could use that. there is a way to generate page- 
> textfiles from a csv file and then import them into the wiki.
> marius.
>
> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> On Oct 1, 2007, at 3:35 PM, Uğur Güney wrote:
 Who wants to lead their own language?
 kim istemek -e doğru götürmek onların kendi dil?
 (umm, yes, these might be silly since they are machine   
 translations :D )
>>> # This is an awful terrible translation. :-) So the turkish
>>> translation can not be leaved to AI's. One should take the
>>> responsibility! And I am volunteering for this work.
>>> -ugur guney-
>> Ok, I created it:
>> http://wiki.puredata.info/tr/
>> Create an account and tell me what your account name is, and I'll  
>> add  it as admin.  Also, if you want, we can run the import of  
>> the  existing English content into the Turkish pdpedia, if you  
>> think that  would be helpful.  It would at least lay out the  
>> framework.
>> You can see that content here:
>> http://wiki.puredata.info/test/Special:Allpages
>> .hc
>>>
>>> On 10/1/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Now we are ready to start setting up sites in whatever language
 people want.  Here's the key:  in order to setup a given  
 language, we
 need at least one volunteer to be the maintainer of that language
 section.  You will then be given "bureaucrat" and "sysop" status so
 that you can admin that site.

 .hc
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[PD] timestretching for slicer

[F R E N K]

Hello!

Thanks to everybody for the quick solutions for the clicking problem... I have 
a new question, is there a way to perform timestretching on arrays? Or on 
anything, this would probably be the final step for having a great live slicer!

thanx!

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[PD] Audio Mostly 2007 summary

[Andy Farnell]

I compiled a brief report on Audio Mostly 2007. Good conference with plenty
of juicy bits on generative composition, spacialisation, and analysis. If
anyone wants a particular paper PM me. The wavefield synthesis array kicks ass!

http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/html/news/news.html

cheers,

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] [Studio XX] OFFRE D' EMPLOI : DIRECTRICE GÉNÉRALE :: JOB : GENERAL DIRECTOR

[Chris McCormick]

On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 11:58:51AM +0100, Andy Farnell wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:21:34 -0400 (EDT)
> > that kind of topics. In general they don't dive into pd.
> 
> Sounds like you should check out Nina Waismans work. Had the pleasure of
> watching her show in Germany this week. We spoke after the concert and
> she told me she uses Pd for her body transducers w/ dance act and for
> installation work.

Second anecdotal datapoint:

At Electrofringe last week the only other Pd user I met was not yet
subscribed to the list, so I told her about what a great friendly place
the Pd list is. (I hope I don't have to eat my words.)

Best,

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[PD] pdpedia

[marius schebella]

hey,

pdpedia is online!

It is a child of the second pdconv in montreal and many people helped 
putting it up, hans and I finally did the import of the objects and the 
main layout for the site. I hope you will like it.
At the moment we still use the address http://wiki.puredata.info, but it 
should be www.pdpedia.org in the next days/weeks. (at the moment 
pdpedia.org is linked to a test site...)
The general idea of the project is to have better documentation of Pd, 
mainly - but not only - its objectclasses. I hope it will become a 
useful tool to search for objects and ways how to do things in Pd. the 
search field should really work as a "how do I..."
all objects have some basic information like a short description, 
library, categories, ... but we also dumped text that we found in the 
helppatches to give a little help for filling in content. that is the 
goal, to get many people involved in sharing knowledge about how to use 
the objects, document features, and so on.
at the moment we are running without authorization, everybody can edit 
and create pages (a wiki page is created by putting two brackets around 
a word like [[this]] then you click on that link and can edit the new 
page...). If we get in troubles with spam we will have to restrict 
editing only for registered users, but everybody can register, feel free 
to create an account.
if you see links like Template:blablabla in the beginning: that is a 
global wiki variable. we use it for all information that is presented on 
more than one page. for example the URL for a library. just fill in the 
content of the variable and it will show up on all pages.
I don't want to write to much, so I stop, plese send feedback.

marius.

ps: and yes, there are some bugs still.

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] call for pdpedia language site admins

[marius schebella]

what I did was working with database files. I found it much easier to 
edit in one big file than to edit every page. so for translations, you 
could use that. there is a way to generate page-textfiles from a csv 
file and then import them into the wiki.
marius.

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> On Oct 1, 2007, at 3:35 PM, Uğur Güney wrote:
> 
>>> Who wants to lead their own language?
>>> kim istemek -e doğru götürmek onların kendi dil?
>>> (umm, yes, these might be silly since they are machine  
>>> translations :D )
>> # This is an awful terrible translation. :-) So the turkish
>> translation can not be leaved to AI's. One should take the
>> responsibility! And I am volunteering for this work.
>> -ugur guney-
> 
> Ok, I created it:
> 
> http://wiki.puredata.info/tr/
> 
> Create an account and tell me what your account name is, and I'll add  
> it as admin.  Also, if you want, we can run the import of the  
> existing English content into the Turkish pdpedia, if you think that  
> would be helpful.  It would at least lay out the framework.
> 
> You can see that content here:
> 
> http://wiki.puredata.info/test/Special:Allpages
> 
> .hc
> 
> 
> 
>>
>> On 10/1/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Now we are ready to start setting up sites in whatever language
>>> people want.  Here's the key:  in order to setup a given language, we
>>> need at least one volunteer to be the maintainer of that language
>>> section.  You will then be given "bureaucrat" and "sysop" status so
>>> that you can admin that site.
>>>
>>> .hc
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] call for pdpedia language site admins

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Create an account and let me know the name of it, then I'll make it  
admin ("bureaucrat" and "sysop" in mediawiki-speak):

http://wiki.puredata.info/

As for importing, we could skip the English text that I parsed from  
the helpfiles and just add in the frameworks in Portuguese.   
Translate the following terms, then we could set up each page with an  
infobox, like the english page:

(from the body of the page)
inlets
outlets
arguments
messages

(from the infobox)
name
description
abbreviation
library
author
developer
release version
release date
dependencies
license
website
programming language
platform (i.e Windows, Mac OS X, GNU/Linux)
operating system (i.e. Windows XP, Windows 2000, Mac OS X 10.3,  
Debian, etc.)
language
data type
distribution (i.e. Pd-vanilla, pd-extended, pure:dyne, etc)

.hc


On Oct 1, 2007, at 7:29 PM, João Miguel Pais wrote:

> I can have a shot at Portuguese (from Portugal).
>
> João
>
>
> Am 01.10.2007, 18:59 Uhr, schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> The final test import is underway on the actual server:
>>
>> https://wiki.puredata.info/test/Special:Random
>>
>> Now we are ready to start setting up sites in whatever language
>> people want.  Here's the key:  in order to setup a given language, we
>> need at least one volunteer to be the maintainer of that language
>> section.  You will then be given "bureaucrat" and "sysop" status so
>> that you can admin that site.
>>
>> الذي يريد أن يؤدي لغتهم
>> Кой липса към олово техен свой език?
>> Kdo potřeby až k hlavní část programu jejich drahý jazyk?
>> 谁想带领自己的语言？
>> 誰想帶領自己的語言？
>> Wer will deine eigene Sprache führen?
>> Hvem ønsker hen til lede deres besidde sprog?
>> Who wants to lead their own language?
>> ¿Quién desea conducir su propia lengua?
>> Joka haluta jotta lyijyinen heidän oma kielenkäyttö?
>> Qui veut mener à leur propre langage?
>> Ποιος θέλει να οδηγήσει τη γλώσσα  
>> τους;
>> Tko ištanje to olovo njihov posjedovati jezik?
>> Ki akar -hoz vezet -uk saját nyelv?
>> Hver vilja til leiða þeirra eiga tungumál?
>> Chi desidera condurre la loro propria lingua?
>> だれが自身の言語を導きたいと思うか。
>> 누구가 그들의 자신의 언어를 지도하고 싶은가?
>> Wie wil tot hun eigen taal leiden?
>> Hvem ønsker å innlede deres egen omgangsspråk?
>> Który chce wobec dowodzić ich własny język?
>> Quem quer conduzir a sua própria língua?
>> Cine nevoie la spre lead lor own limbaj?
>> Кто хочет привести свой язык?
>> Tko oskudica za olovo njihov vlastiti jezik?
>> kdo biti brez voditi svoj lasten jezik?
>> Vem bristen till leda deras äga språk?
>> sino magkulang sa dalhin kanila mag-ari wika?
>> kim istemek -e doğru götürmek onların kendi dil?
>> A anghenion at arwain 'n hwy addef dafodiaith?
>>
>> (umm, yes, these might be silly since they are machine  
>> translations :D )
>>
>> .hc
>>
>>
>>
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[marius schebella]

you also need to create the template for the objectclass.
you can have a look at:
http://pdpedia.at.or.at/en/Template:Infobox_objectclass
be careful with capital letters. objectclass is different than 
Objectclass. you can use what you want, just the Infobox_Objectclass 
must have the same name, otherwise it will not work.
there is a link like
http://wiki.puredata.info/tr/index.php?title=%C5%9Eablon:Infobox_Objectclass&action=edit
(the first link on the page you posted...)
marius.

Uğur Güney wrote:
> # Hi, Marius and all,
> 
> http://wiki.puredata.info/tr/MedyaViki:common.css
> 
> # I created that page. But still the infobox does not show up at
> 
> http://wiki.puredata.info/tr/%C5%9Eablon
> 
> # What should I do? Is the problem related to the name of the file
> "common.css" Did I created/uploaded a file by creating that page?
> Thanks...
> -uğur-
> 
> On 10/2/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> As for Infoboxes not showing, you need to add some CSS, you can copy
>> and paste this one into a page of the same name.  Otherwise, post to
>> the Pd list, Marius and others know that part better than me.
>>
>> http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:common.css
>>
>>> # I tried to create a "template" entry "Şablon" in the "main page"
>>> ("Ana Sayfa"). I copied the source of [abs~] to "Şablon" and
>>> translated the labels. But I encountered my first obstacle. The
>>> Infobox Objectclass did not display at all.
>>> # How can I solve this problem?
>>> # Thanks!
>>> -uğur-
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Re: [PD] 'class' vs. 'object class' vs. 'object'

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

It's good to know that we are not making studid things up. :D

I just want to be clear though, even though we did use "objectclass"  
for the initial import, it's a wiki, and everything can be changed.

.hc

On Oct 1, 2007, at 7:30 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:

> hi all
>
> while reading a bit in millers book, i stumbled across the term  
> 'object
> class'. yo, the discussion is already over and 'object class' has been
> chosen for the wiki. i just wanted to say, that retrospectively it was
> probably a good choice, since even miller seems to use it.
>
> http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/v0.01/book-html/node32.html
> (second paragraph, last sentence)
>
> cheers
> roman
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] call for pdpedia language site admins

[Uğur Güney]

# Hi, Marius and all,

http://wiki.puredata.info/tr/MedyaViki:common.css

# I created that page. But still the infobox does not show up at

http://wiki.puredata.info/tr/%C5%9Eablon

# What should I do? Is the problem related to the name of the file
"common.css" Did I created/uploaded a file by creating that page?
Thanks...
-uğur-

On 10/2/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As for Infoboxes not showing, you need to add some CSS, you can copy
> and paste this one into a page of the same name.  Otherwise, post to
> the Pd list, Marius and others know that part better than me.
>
> http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:common.css
>
> > # I tried to create a "template" entry "Şablon" in the "main page"
> > ("Ana Sayfa"). I copied the source of [abs~] to "Şablon" and
> > translated the labels. But I encountered my first obstacle. The
> > Infobox Objectclass did not display at all.
> > # How can I solve this problem?
> > # Thanks!
> > -uğur-
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[PD] 'class' vs. 'object class' vs. 'object'

[Roman Haefeli]

hi all

while reading a bit in millers book, i stumbled across the term 'object
class'. yo, the discussion is already over and 'object class' has been
chosen for the wiki. i just wanted to say, that retrospectively it was
probably a good choice, since even miller seems to use it.

http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/v0.01/book-html/node32.html
(second paragraph, last sentence)

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] call for pdpedia language site admins

[João Miguel Pais]

I can have a shot at Portuguese (from Portugal).

João


Am 01.10.2007, 18:59 Uhr, schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
> Hey all,
>
> The final test import is underway on the actual server:
>
> https://wiki.puredata.info/test/Special:Random
>
> Now we are ready to start setting up sites in whatever language
> people want.  Here's the key:  in order to setup a given language, we
> need at least one volunteer to be the maintainer of that language
> section.  You will then be given "bureaucrat" and "sysop" status so
> that you can admin that site.
>
> الذي يريد أن يؤدي لغتهم
> Кой липса към олово техен свой език?
> Kdo potřeby až k hlavní část programu jejich drahý jazyk?
> 谁想带领自己的语言？
> 誰想帶領自己的語言？
> Wer will deine eigene Sprache führen?
> Hvem ønsker hen til lede deres besidde sprog?
> Who wants to lead their own language?
> ¿Quién desea conducir su propia lengua?
> Joka haluta jotta lyijyinen heidän oma kielenkäyttö?
> Qui veut mener à leur propre langage?
> Ποιος θέλει να οδηγήσει τη γλώσσα τους;
> Tko ištanje to olovo njihov posjedovati jezik?
> Ki akar -hoz vezet -uk saját nyelv?
> Hver vilja til leiða þeirra eiga tungumál?
> Chi desidera condurre la loro propria lingua?
> だれが自身の言語を導きたいと思うか。
> 누구가 그들의 자신의 언어를 지도하고 싶은가?
> Wie wil tot hun eigen taal leiden?
> Hvem ønsker å innlede deres egen omgangsspråk?
> Który chce wobec dowodzić ich własny język?
> Quem quer conduzir a sua própria língua?
> Cine nevoie la spre lead lor own limbaj?
> Кто хочет привести свой язык?
> Tko oskudica za olovo njihov vlastiti jezik?
> kdo biti brez voditi svoj lasten jezik?
> Vem bristen till leda deras äga språk?
> sino magkulang sa dalhin kanila mag-ari wika?
> kim istemek -e doğru götürmek onların kendi dil?
> A anghenion at arwain 'n hwy addef dafodiaith?
>
> (umm, yes, these might be silly since they are machine translations :D )
>
> .hc
>
>
>
> 
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[PD] PDa .6 or .7 compiled for Familiar linux (iPaq)

[David NG McCallum]

Hi All,

Does anyone have PDa (one of the later versions, like .6 or .7)
compiled for Familiar for an iPaq?

I'm currently downloading an arm toolchain to compile it myself, but
don't have any prior experience with that and hoped someone had
already done the work.

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[PD] pd arpeggiator external

[Atte André Jensen]

Hi

Last week I finished my [arp] arpeggiator external for pd. Maybe it's of 
use to someone. In that case it's at

svn co svn://atte.dk/attes_pd_stuff/externals

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Re: [PD] Clicks between slices (slicer)

[Patrice Colet]

> Steffen Juul wrote:
> 
> "Other then Hard Off's solution i believe one could either make sure 
> the slices are zero-crossing (that the endpoint that the end points 
> are 0 (or at-least the same value)) or to interpolate between the 
> endpoints of the slices."
> 

  Making sure that slices are zero crossing won't resolve the clicking 
problem, for example if the tempo is increased, unless the slices are 
stretched or pitched to always have the good lenght when the tempo is 
moving.

  One solution would be about using two tabreader~ or tabplay~ or 
tabreadmix~, and alternate the slices reading with still using the 
crossfade solution for avoiding accidental dynamic increases.

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Re: [PD] Clicks between slices (slicer)

[Roman Haefeli]

On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 23:29 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote:
> Hallo,
> Roman Haefeli hat gesagt: // Roman Haefeli wrote:
> 
> > hm.. i've searched the archives and millers book, but i couldn't find,
> > what i was looking for. probably someone else can point us to the right
> > direction.
> > 
> > iirc, somewhere in millers book, there is a technique described, which
> > allows seamingless transition from one sample to the other (or from loop
> > end to loop start) by adding a little ramp to the second sample in order
> > to make the first sample of the next coming audiosample the same value
> > as the last sample of the previous audiosample.  
> > 
> > iirc, frank had once a question about this technique and that is why
> > there is a thread about this technique in the archive, but i couldn't
> > find it.
> 
> It's called "switch-and-ramp", the thread also has these words in it.
> In the book it's here:
> http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/latest/book-html/node63.html

thanks frank for being a librarian :-)

> An example is attached. Note that this doesn't really work with
> vline~.

not that i implemented this technique myself yet, but isn't it supposed
to work with [vline~], when audio data is stored in tables? in that case
you don't need [snapshot~] to get the ramp value, but you just read it
from the table (beforehand). or am i overseeing something?

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Re: [PD] pd arpeggio sound

[henrik wurster]

thank you very much ! I will give feedback, as soon as possible

2007/10/1, Atte André Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> henrik wurster wrote:
>
> > so the question is, if there is any arpeggio-object already made,
> > because it might be quite tough
>
> It just so happens that I just finished my arp external last week, get
> it (together with a bunch of more or less relevant crap) here:
>
> svn co svn://atte.dk/attes_pd_stuff
>
> Goto externals an type "make". Copy the files arp-help.pd and
> arp.pd_linux (or whetever platform your at) to somewhere in your pd-path
> or add the externals dir to your pd path.
>
> I wrote [arp] it 'cause I was working on a piece where I needed it, and
> although the piece is not finished, it might give you an idea on what
> [arp] is doing (although I guess you might already know):
>
> http://atte.dk/download/himlen_rammer_her.mp3
>
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Re: [PD] Clicks between slices (slicer)

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,
Roman Haefeli hat gesagt: // Roman Haefeli wrote:

> hm.. i've searched the archives and millers book, but i couldn't find,
> what i was looking for. probably someone else can point us to the right
> direction.
> 
> iirc, somewhere in millers book, there is a technique described, which
> allows seamingless transition from one sample to the other (or from loop
> end to loop start) by adding a little ramp to the second sample in order
> to make the first sample of the next coming audiosample the same value
> as the last sample of the previous audiosample.  
> 
> iirc, frank had once a question about this technique and that is why
> there is a thread about this technique in the archive, but i couldn't
> find it.

It's called "switch-and-ramp", the thread also has these words in it.
In the book it's here:
http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/latest/book-html/node63.html

An example is attached. Note that this doesn't really work with
vline~.

Ciao
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Re: [PD] Clicks between slices (slicer)

[Roman Haefeli]

federico found it for me:

http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/v0.01/book-html/node59.html


On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 23:10 +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote:
> hm.. i've searched the archives and millers book, but i couldn't find,
> what i was looking for. probably someone else can point us to the right
> direction.
> 
> iirc, somewhere in millers book, there is a technique described, which
> allows seamingless transition from one sample to the other (or from loop
> end to loop start) by adding a little ramp to the second sample in order
> to make the first sample of the next coming audiosample the same value
> as the last sample of the previous audiosample.  
> 
> iirc, frank had once a question about this technique and that is why
> there is a thread about this technique in the archive, but i couldn't
> find it.
> 
> since this techniques doesn't use any kind of fading and thus doesn't
> require any overlapping, i found it quite useful.
> 
> roman
> 
> On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 19:17 +0200, tim wrote:
> > Dafydd Hughes wrote: 
> > > Anybody have strategies for crossfading in this situation?
> > >   
> > Alternate between two [tabread~]'s. 
> > 5 ms before tabread 1 is finished you start the second one with the
> > next slice, so that the 5 ms fade-out of the first coincides with the
> > fade-in of the second.
> > gr,
> > 
> > Tim
> > > On 10/1/07, Steffen Juul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >   
> > > > On 01/10/2007, at 18.33, Steffen Juul wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > I'd be surprised if you can hear it.
> > > > >   
> > > > Hmm. Maybe I should take that back.
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Re: [PD] Clicks between slices (slicer)

[Roman Haefeli]

hm.. i've searched the archives and millers book, but i couldn't find,
what i was looking for. probably someone else can point us to the right
direction.

iirc, somewhere in millers book, there is a technique described, which
allows seamingless transition from one sample to the other (or from loop
end to loop start) by adding a little ramp to the second sample in order
to make the first sample of the next coming audiosample the same value
as the last sample of the previous audiosample.  

iirc, frank had once a question about this technique and that is why
there is a thread about this technique in the archive, but i couldn't
find it.

since this techniques doesn't use any kind of fading and thus doesn't
require any overlapping, i found it quite useful.

roman

On Mon, 2007-10-01 at 19:17 +0200, tim wrote:
> Dafydd Hughes wrote: 
> > Anybody have strategies for crossfading in this situation?
> >   
> Alternate between two [tabread~]'s. 
> 5 ms before tabread 1 is finished you start the second one with the
> next slice, so that the 5 ms fade-out of the first coincides with the
> fade-in of the second.
> gr,
> 
> Tim
> > On 10/1/07, Steffen Juul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >   
> > > On 01/10/2007, at 18.33, Steffen Juul wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > I'd be surprised if you can hear it.
> > > >   
> > > Hmm. Maybe I should take that back.
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] call for pdpedia language site admins

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On Oct 1, 2007, at 3:35 PM, Uğur Güney wrote:

>> Who wants to lead their own language?
>> kim istemek -e doğru götürmek onların kendi dil?
>> (umm, yes, these might be silly since they are machine  
>> translations :D )
>
> # This is an awful terrible translation. :-) So the turkish
> translation can not be leaved to AI's. One should take the
> responsibility! And I am volunteering for this work.
> -ugur guney-

Ok, I created it:

http://wiki.puredata.info/tr/

Create an account and tell me what your account name is, and I'll add  
it as admin.  Also, if you want, we can run the import of the  
existing English content into the Turkish pdpedia, if you think that  
would be helpful.  It would at least lay out the framework.

You can see that content here:

http://wiki.puredata.info/test/Special:Allpages

.hc



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> On 10/1/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Now we are ready to start setting up sites in whatever language
>> people want.  Here's the key:  in order to setup a given language, we
>> need at least one volunteer to be the maintainer of that language
>> section.  You will then be given "bureaucrat" and "sysop" status so
>> that you can admin that site.
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Re: [PD] Bug in lister (zexy) ?

[Cyrille . Damez]

On Monday 01 October 2007 15:36:02 IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
> appreciating that you found a bug in [lister] (which has been around for
> quite a while and i do believe it was useful and used), i cannot follow
> your arguing:
> though shalt not use aliases for buggy objects
> though shalt not use 1-character names for buggy objects
> though shalt rename buggy objects to [buggy_]
> though shalt not use buggy objects
> though shalt not write buggy objects
>
> not much left to use then...

Did I write anything that could be interpreted as offensive ? If yes I'm 
sorry.
I'm not blaming anybody for the (arguably small) issue at hand, we were just 
discussing the reasons why one would expect certain objects to have shortcuts 
or not. Of course "bugginess" can't be a criterion as nobody knows a priori 
whether if his code is 100% error-proof (and nobody can honestly guarantee to 
write bug-free code). However, in this particular case, since we know there 
are a couple issues with [lister] and since I was told it could be deprecated 
in favor of [list append], my opinion is that maybe the shortcut should be 
assigned to the latter in order to prevent people unaware of pd's historical 
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Re: [PD] Clicks between slices (slicer)

[tim]

Dafydd Hughes wrote:

Anybody have strategies for crossfading in this situation?
  

Alternate between two [tabread~]'s.
5 ms before tabread 1 is finished you start the second one with the next 
slice, so that the 5 ms fade-out of the first coincides with the fade-in 
of the second.

gr,

Tim

On 10/1/07, Steffen Juul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

On 01/10/2007, at 18.33, Steffen Juul wrote:



I'd be surprised if you can hear it.
  

Hmm. Maybe I should take that back.

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Re: [PD] pd arpeggio sound

[Atte André Jensen]

henrik wurster wrote:

> so the question is, if there is any arpeggio-object already made, 
> because it might be quite tough

It just so happens that I just finished my arp external last week, get
it (together with a bunch of more or less relevant crap) here:

svn co svn://atte.dk/attes_pd_stuff

Goto externals an type "make". Copy the files arp-help.pd and
arp.pd_linux (or whetever platform your at) to somewhere in your pd-path
or add the externals dir to your pd path.

I wrote [arp] it 'cause I was working on a piece where I needed it, and
although the piece is not finished, it might give you an idea on what
[arp] is doing (although I guess you might already know):

http://atte.dk/download/himlen_rammer_her.mp3

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Re: [PD] Clicks between slices (slicer)

[F R E N K]

Steffen Juul wrote:

"Other then Hard Off's solution i believe one could either make sure  
the slices are zero-crossing (that the endpoint that the end points  
are 0 (or at-least the same value)) or to interpolate between the  
endpoints of the slices."

Does anybody know of a way to achieve this? If so, I would really appreciate 
some guidance...


cheers!

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Re: [PD] pyext install succeeds

[olsen wolf]

jep while crowning patrick as the h.e.r.o. of the day - pyext is
running between the 0 and 1!
with patricks advice: use this version with python 2.4:
http://www.parasitaere-kapazitaeten.net/ext/py/py-0.2.0-pd.tgz
& fela kuti in the back this is what i did:

flext 0.5.0 download from http://www.parasitaere-kapazitaeten.net/ext/ & built:
bash grill/flext/build.sh pd gcc
edit  buildsys/config-lnx-pd-gcc.txt to point to pd/src:
# where is the PD source package?
# (this should point to the main folder, which has a "src" subfolder)
PDPATH=/home/olsen/pd/pd-0.39-2

###

# prefix for flext installation
# headers are in $(FLEXTPREFIX)/include/flext
# libraries are in $(FLEXTPREFIX)/lib
# build system is in $(FLEXTPREFIX)/lib/flext

FLEXTPREFIX=/usr/local

###

# where should the external be built?
OUTPATH=pd-linux

# where should the external be installed?
INSTPATH=/usr/local/lib/pd/extra

###

# user defined compiler flags
# (check if they match your system!)
UFLAGS=-msse -mfpmath=sse -ffast-math

# user defined optimization flags
# (check if they match your system!)
OFLAGS=-O3
# optimizations for Pentium 4
OFLAGS+=-march=pentium4

then:
bash grill/flext/build.sh pd gcc
bash grill/flext/build.sh pd gcc install
ldconfig -v | grep flext (you should see libflext)
if no libflext shows up
vim /etc/ld.so.conf
& add /usr/local/lib
&
vim /etc/ld.so.conf.d/i486-linux-gnu
& add /usr/local/lib
then

cd grill/py
sh ../flext/build.sh pd gcc
edit config.txt for telling py/ext to use python 2.4:
# what is the base prefix of the Python installation?
PYTHONPREFIX=/usr

# which Python version do you want to compile against?
PYTHONVERSION=2.4

sh ../flext/build.sh pd gcc
sh ../flext/build.sh pd gcc install

this works on ubuntu 7.04
python2.4-dev package should be onboard
greets
olsen



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> Hi Olsen,
> actually no, but i will have time next week. You could try to fetch
> an older version of py/pyext from the cvs in the meantime.
> greetings, Thomas
>
> Am 12.09.2007 um 14:03 schrieb olsen wolf:
>
> > Hej thomas
> > i just wanted to ask if you had already the time to look into it?
> > if so please lemme know - cause i would like to use it in an actual
> > projé!
> > thanks&greets
> > olsen
> >
> > On 9/3/07, Thomas Grill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >> it's possible that i introduced a mismatch of versions of flext and
> >> flext-based externals into the CVS.
> >> I'll have to look into it... sorry for the mess.
> >> best greetings, Thomas
> >>
> >> Am 03.09.2007 um 18:33 schrieb patrick:
> >>
> >>> hi olsen,
> >>>
> >>> i think PYTHONPREFIX should be /usr
> >>> but i tried it and this is what i got:
> >>>
> >>> make -f ../flext/buildsys/gnumake-sub.mak PLATFORM=lnx RTSYS=pd
> >>> COMPILER=gcc BUILDPATH=../flext/buildsys/ PKGINFO=package.txt
> >>> BUILDCLASS=ext USRCONFIG=config.txt USRMAKE=build/gnumake-lnx-
> >>> gcc.inc
> >>> TARGETMODE=release TARGETTYPE=multi THREADED=1 _build_
> >>> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/pat/src/externals/grill/py'
> >>> mkdir -p pd-linux/release-multi/
> >>> g++ -c -msse -mfpmath=sse -ffast-math -O3 -march=pentium4 -pthread -
> >>> fPIC
> >>> -DPY_EXPORTS -DPY_USE_GIL -DNDEBUG -DFLEXT_THREADS -DFLEXT_SYS=2 -
> >>> DPD
> >>> -I/usr/include/python2.5 -I/home/pat/src/pd-0.40-2/src
> >>> -I/usr/local/include/stk -I/usr/local/include/sndobj
> >>> -I/usr/local/include/flext source/main.cpp -o
> >>> pd-linux/release-multi/main.opp
> >>> source/main.h:32: error: expected class-name before '{' token
> >>> /usr/local/include/flext/flcontainers.h: In member function 'void
> >>> TypedFifo::Put(T*) [with T = FifoEl]':
> >>> source/pybase.h:179: instantiated from here
> >>> /usr/local/include/flext/flcontainers.h:456: error: no matching
> >>> function
> >>> for call to 'TypedFifo::Put(FifoEl*)'
> >>> /usr/local/include/flext/flcontainers.h:405: note: candidates are:
> >>> void
> >>> Fifo::Put(Lifo::Cell*)
> >>> /usr/local/include/flext/flcontainers.h: In member function 'T*
> >>> TypedLifo::Pop() [with T = FifoEl]':
> >>> /usr/local/include/flext/flcontainers.h:466: instantiated from 'T*
> >>> PooledFifo::New() [with T = FifoEl, int M = 2, int O = 1]'
> >>> source/pybase.h:177: instantiated from here
> >>> /usr/local/include/flext/flcontainers.h:380: error: invalid
> >>> static_cast
> >>> from type 'Lifo::Cell*' to type 'FifoEl*'
> >>> make[1]: *** [pd-linux/release-multi/main.opp] Error 1
> >>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/pat/src/externals/grill/py'
> >>> make: *** [build-release-multi] Error 2
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> is py compatible with python2.5?
> >>> patrick
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] call for pdpedia language site admins

[Uğur Güney]

> Who wants to lead their own language?
> kim istemek -e doğru götürmek onların kendi dil?
> (umm, yes, these might be silly since they are machine translations :D )

# This is an awful terrible translation. :-) So the turkish
translation can not be leaved to AI's. One should take the
responsibility! And I am volunteering for this work.
-ugur guney-


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> people want.  Here's the key:  in order to setup a given language, we
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> section.  You will then be given "bureaucrat" and "sysop" status so
> that you can admin that site.
>
> .hc
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Re: [PD] Clicks between slices (slicer)

[Patrice Colet]

Dafydd Hughes a écrit :
> Anybody have strategies for crossfading in this situation?
> 
> On 10/1/07, Steffen Juul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 01/10/2007, at 18.33, Steffen Juul wrote:
>>
>>> I'd be surprised if you can hear it.
>> Hmm. Maybe I should take that back.
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Re: [PD] wiimote for macosx

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 1, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Mike Wozniewski wrote:

> Hi Steffen,
>
> If you're referring to the [wiimote] object that I wrote
> (http://mikewoz.com/index.php?page=pd-stuff), then it's not possible,
> because the library it uses is Linux-only. At that time, there were no
> cross-platform libraries for the wii controller, so I chose a Linux
> library and developed an external to interface with it. There were
> already solutions for Windows (using GlovePIE) and for OSX (using
> aka.wiiremote), so I didn't bother with that.
>
> I see that aka.wiiremote
> (http://www.iamas.ac.jp/%7Eaka/max/#aka_wiiremote) is for Max/MSP  
> only,
> but I'm sure someone could port that to Pd quite easily. I guess  
> that's
> what Hans was trying in Zaragoza? (as mentioned below).

Yup, the port is complete, it compiles and loads fine, and the Pd  
changes are included in his sources.  It just doesn't work :D.  If I  
get my hands on one, then I'll debug it.

.hc


> Otherwise, I'd suggest that you try Darwiinmote
> (http://blog.hiroaki.jp/2006/12/000433.html), which can emulate  
> keyboard
> and mouse events. You can then use Pd to capture and process those  
> events.
>
> I hope this helps,
> -Mike
>
>
>
> Steffen wrote:
>> On 30/09/2007, at 14.45, punchik punchik wrote:
>>
>>
>>> hi , do anybody have compiled the wiimote object for macosx?
>>>
>>
>> I think it kind of depends if there were success in Zaragoza, cf.
>> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-06/051195.html
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Re: [PD] PdDefinitions

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Sep 30, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Sep 2007, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
>> Go ahead a make a page in the PdDefinitions section and add this  
>> stuff. That's what it's there for.
>
> I was asking you about modifying the existing page, not tucking  
> away my contributions in a page subordinate to yours.
>
> If you don't want to address my concerns about wiki collaboration,  
> then I'll leave things as they are now; it'll be less trouble.

There are no proposed definitions on the main page, that's a survey  
of existing definitions.  Frank and my attempts at definitions are  
each on separate pages.  I am suggesting you do the same.

.hc

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[PD] [PD-announce] call for pdpedia language site admins

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Hey all,

The final test import is underway on the actual server:

https://wiki.puredata.info/test/Special:Random

Now we are ready to start setting up sites in whatever language  
people want.  Here's the key:  in order to setup a given language, we  
need at least one volunteer to be the maintainer of that language  
section.  You will then be given "bureaucrat" and "sysop" status so  
that you can admin that site.

الذي يريد أن يؤدي لغتهم
Кой липса към олово техен свой език?
Kdo potřeby až k hlavní část programu jejich drahý jazyk?
谁想带领自己的语言？
誰想帶領自己的語言？
Wer will deine eigene Sprache führen?
Hvem ønsker hen til lede deres besidde sprog?
Who wants to lead their own language?
¿Quién desea conducir su propia lengua?
Joka haluta jotta lyijyinen heidän oma kielenkäyttö?
Qui veut mener à leur propre langage?
Ποιος θέλει να οδηγήσει τη γλώσσα τους;
Tko ištanje to olovo njihov posjedovati jezik?
Ki akar -hoz vezet -uk saját nyelv?
Hver vilja til leiða þeirra eiga tungumál?
Chi desidera condurre la loro propria lingua?
だれが自身の言語を導きたいと思うか。
누구가 그들의 자신의 언어를 지도하고 싶은가?
Wie wil tot hun eigen taal leiden?
Hvem ønsker å innlede deres egen omgangsspråk?
Który chce wobec dowodzić ich własny język?
Quem quer conduzir a sua própria língua?
Cine nevoie la spre lead lor own limbaj?
Кто хочет привести свой язык?
Tko oskudica za olovo njihov vlastiti jezik?
kdo biti brez voditi svoj lasten jezik?
Vem bristen till leda deras äga språk?
sino magkulang sa dalhin kanila mag-ari wika?
kim istemek -e doğru götürmek onların kendi dil?
A anghenion at arwain 'n hwy addef dafodiaith?

(umm, yes, these might be silly since they are machine translations :D )

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Re: [PD] wiimote for macosx

[Mike Wozniewski]

Hi Steffen,

If you're referring to the [wiimote] object that I wrote 
(http://mikewoz.com/index.php?page=pd-stuff), then it's not possible, 
because the library it uses is Linux-only. At that time, there were no 
cross-platform libraries for the wii controller, so I chose a Linux 
library and developed an external to interface with it. There were 
already solutions for Windows (using GlovePIE) and for OSX (using 
aka.wiiremote), so I didn't bother with that.

I see that aka.wiiremote 
(http://www.iamas.ac.jp/%7Eaka/max/#aka_wiiremote) is for Max/MSP only, 
but I'm sure someone could port that to Pd quite easily. I guess that's 
what Hans was trying in Zaragoza? (as mentioned below).
 
Otherwise, I'd suggest that you try Darwiinmote 
(http://blog.hiroaki.jp/2006/12/000433.html), which can emulate keyboard 
and mouse events. You can then use Pd to capture and process those events.

I hope this helps,
-Mike



Steffen wrote:
> On 30/09/2007, at 14.45, punchik punchik wrote:
>
>   
>> hi , do anybody have compiled the wiimote object for macosx?
>> 
>
> I think it kind of depends if there were success in Zaragoza, cf.
> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-06/051195.html
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Re: [PD] Clicks between slices (slicer)

[Dafydd Hughes]

Anybody have strategies for crossfading in this situation?

On 10/1/07, Steffen Juul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 01/10/2007, at 18.33, Steffen Juul wrote:
>
> > I'd be surprised if you can hear it.
>
> Hmm. Maybe I should take that back.
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Re: [PD] Clicks between slices (slicer)

[Steffen Juul]

On 01/10/2007, at 18.33, Steffen Juul wrote:

> I'd be surprised if you can hear it.

Hmm. Maybe I should take that back.

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Re: [PD] Clicks between slices (slicer)

[Dafydd Hughes]

Hey

I think with a 5ms fade, as per Hard Off's suggestion, you might not
hear the silence.

cheers
dafydd

On 10/1/07, Steffen Juul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 01/10/2007, at 17.57, F R E N K wrote:
>
> > The main problem with this is I would get silence between the
> > slices, instead of one continuous loop.
>
> The silence will be very short. I'd be surprised if you can hear it.
>
> Other then Hard Off's solution i believe one could either make sure
> the slices are zero-crossing (that the endpoint that the end points
> are 0 (or at-least the same value)) or to interpolate between the
> endpoints of the slices.
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Re: [PD] Clicks between slices (slicer)

[Steffen Juul]

On 01/10/2007, at 17.57, F R E N K wrote:

> The main problem with this is I would get silence between the  
> slices, instead of one continuous loop.

The silence will be very short. I'd be surprised if you can hear it.

Other then Hard Off's solution i believe one could either make sure  
the slices are zero-crossing (that the endpoint that the end points  
are 0 (or at-least the same value)) or to interpolate between the  
endpoints of the slices.

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Re: [PD] pd arpeggio sound

[Andy Farnell]

Perhaps you might like to take apart (shameless plug) the Hillagizer.
It's a fairly sophisticated arpeggiator 4 voice polyphonic polyrythmic
up-arp with intervals specified as harmonic ratios rather than western
midi notes to give that classic 70's sound.

http://obiwannabe.co.uk/sounds/hillageizer.mp3

On Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:34:55 +0200
"henrik wurster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hello,
> 
> I am looking for an "arpeggio" sound generated by pd...didnt find it in the
> reference,
> so the question is, if there is any arpeggio-object already made, because it
> might be quite tough
> (for me) to make onethanks for any piece of advice
> 


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Re: [PD] Clicks between slices (slicer)

[F R E N K]

Hello!

Hard off said I could do the next connection to avoid clicks between slices:


[tabread4~]
|
|  [0 5. 0 5 5(
|  |
|  [vline~]
|  |
[*~ ]


The main problem with this is I would get silence between the slices, instead 
of one continuous loop. It could work for rythmic stuff, but not for vocals or 
longer non-rythmic sounds...

Ill keep searching, if I fix it, I'll let you know

thanx,

Rodrigo


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Re: [PD] blue and yellow alpha

[marius schebella]

even with pix_film and colorspace the pix_alpha is broken. what is the 
latest version of gem for mactel? i am using 0.91-cvs (july29).
marius.

IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
> henrik wurster wrote:
>> hihi this happened to me with GEM and quicktime movies...still didnt 
>> figure out how to use alpha blending yet !
>>
> 
> oh, for alpha blending you obviously need the data in a format that 
> understands alpha!
> [pix_film] on os-x outputs YUV by default, where there is now 
> alpha-channel, so you cannot apply an alpha-mask.
> make sure that you get your data in RGBA colorspace, either by sending 
> the [pix_film] a [colorspace RGBA( message or explicitely by using 
> [pix_rgba]
> 
> 
> fgmasdr.
> IOhannes
> 


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Re: [PD] blue and yellow alpha

[marius schebella]

with the default settings of pix_alpha white stays white and black gets 
transformed according to the background. red changes to pink, green to 
teal and blues stays blue. if I change the first two inlets from (0, 1) 
which is the default to (1, 0) then white becomes transparent and black 
gets transformed: red and green become yello and blue becomes white.
I think the default color scheme on mac is some yuv dialect, so I tried 
pix_rgba, but that did not change anything.
marius.


IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
> marius schebella wrote:
>> hi,
>> I am using pix_alpha to convert a b/w jpg into an alpha map. but all I 
>> get is yellow or blue. this happens on osx with gem 0.91-csv (july29).
>> marius.
>>
> 
> 
> i am not sure i understand what you mean:
> what get's yellow or blue?
> the b/w image??
> 
> 
> fgma.sdr
> IOhannes
> 


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Re: [PD] blue and yellow alpha

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

henrik wurster wrote:
> hihi this happened to me with GEM and quicktime movies...still didnt 
> figure out how to use alpha blending yet !
> 

oh, for alpha blending you obviously need the data in a format that 
understands alpha!
[pix_film] on os-x outputs YUV by default, where there is now 
alpha-channel, so you cannot apply an alpha-mask.
make sure that you get your data in RGBA colorspace, either by sending 
the [pix_film] a [colorspace RGBA( message or explicitely by using 
[pix_rgba]


fgmasdr.
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[PD] pd arpeggio sound

[henrik wurster]

hello,

I am looking for an "arpeggio" sound generated by pd...didnt find it in the
reference,
so the question is, if there is any arpeggio-object already made, because it
might be quite tough
(for me) to make onethanks for any piece of advice
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Re: [PD] blue and yellow alpha

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

marius schebella wrote:
> hi,
> I am using pix_alpha to convert a b/w jpg into an alpha map. but all I 
> get is yellow or blue. this happens on osx with gem 0.91-csv (july29).
> marius.
> 


i am not sure i understand what you mean:
what get's yellow or blue?
the b/w image??


fgma.sdr
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Re: [PD] blue and yellow alpha

[henrik wurster]

hihi this happened to me with GEM and quicktime movies...still didnt figure
out how to use alpha blending yet !


2007/10/1, marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> hi,
> I am using pix_alpha to convert a b/w jpg into an alpha map. but all I
> get is yellow or blue. this happens on osx with gem 0.91-csv (july29).
> marius.
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[PD] blue and yellow alpha

[marius schebella]

hi,
I am using pix_alpha to convert a b/w jpg into an alpha map. but all I 
get is yellow or blue. this happens on osx with gem 0.91-csv (july29).
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Re: [PD] [OT?] Debian+Jack+Firebox+Pd = Bummer

[Yves Degoyon]

ola,

it's not OT at all !!
unfortunately, we had similar problems
with an Edirol Fa-101 on
a Powerbook running Gentoo.

i updated all libraries needed to latest
CVS/SVN versions without success,
what all was working fine on a PC.

some people told me it might be a problem with the onboard
firewire board,
so i'd really want to know if someone had some success
with this or if we should use
an external firewire card?

saludos,
sevy

Myo wrote:


Hello list,

Sorry if this is too OT, but I think some people here might have/had 
the same problem.


The recipe for fun is as follows:

12" Powerbook G4 1.33ghz
Presonus firebox
Debian testing/Lenny
2.6.22.9  kernel compiled for low latency
Jack 0.103.0-6
Hans' Pd-extended 0.39.2-rc5

So far I have managed to get the firebox recognized by jack using 
Freebob. When I start Jack, the Firebox's light turns blue, and it 
shows up in the patch window. When I start Pd, I can set it to use 
Jack as it's interface, and Pd, too, shows up in the patch window.


This sounds like it's working fine, but when I try to open a patch or 
turn on the DSP in Pd, it hangs indefinitely until I killall pd. Then 
of course Jack freaks out, and I have to killall jackd too. 

I should point out that Pd works fine without Jack, using OSS and the 
onboard soundcard, but not with ALSA. Starting jack with ALSA and the 
onboard card gives me A/D/A sync errors.


I hope that somebody here can help out. I'm not a total nub, but this 
has me stumped. Google's and forum's have turned up no useful info.



Thanks alot,


Cory



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[PD] [PD-announce] Linux Audio Conference #6 (LAC2008): Call for Papers, Music, etc.

[Frank Barknecht]

Dear all,

we are happy to announce the call for papers, music and installations
for the 6th International Linux Audio Conference (LAC2008).  LAC2008
will take place in Cologne (Germany) Feb 28th to March 2nd 2008.

The Academy of Media Arts, Cologne, is proud to host the 2008 issue of
this event, where once a year programmers and artists, musicians,
composers and practioneers gather to discuss and explore new and
important developments in making music and sounds with Linux and Open
Source software.

The Linux Audio Conference is both a meeting of developers writing
audio software for Linux as it is a music festival, where artists from
all over the world show how free software can create fresh and
exciting new sounds.

Find the various calls for papers, music and installations attached to
this mail.  Further informations and an overview over all calls can be
found at

http://lac.linuxaudio.org

As mentioned in the calls in detail, the deadline for both paper and
music submissions is December 1st 2007, while the deadline for
installations is already October 19th 2007.

We are looking forward to many interesting submissions for the 6th
International Linux Audio Conference 2008 and we hope to see you in
Cologne 2008!

Please feel free to forward this e-mail to anybody who might be
interested.

On behalf of the LAC2008 organisation team,
-- 
Frank Barknecht and Martin Rumori
Linux Audio Conference 2008 Cologne, Germany
28.02.--02.03.2008

Call for Installation Proposals
===
http://lac.linuxaudio.org/download/lac2008_callforinstallations.txt

The conference will include an exhibition of sound art or mixed media
art with a substantial sound portion.  This exhibition will consist of
works by students of the Academy of Media Arts (KHM) Cologne and
artists from outside the KHM.  We are looking for installation
projects with a substantial sound portion which have been entirely or
mostly produced under Linux and/or with open source software for
inclusion in the abovementioned exhibition.

Installation proposals may be designed for a specific presentation
space and/or reflect certain aspects of the exhibition venue.  In
order to give some impressions of the venue, photos of the different
spaces available for the exhibition along with some notes are provided
for download at

http://lac.linuxaudio.org/download/lac2008_exhibition_info.tar.gz

Proposals for entirely self-contained and non-site-specific projects
are also welcome.  The submission of proposals for previously
unrealised installations is encouraged, though installations which
already have been shown may also get selected.

The artistic and technical realisation of the selected proposals is
completely up to the artists.  Basic technical support for the
exhibition (electricity, standard network access, limited basic
assistance) is provided by the conference organisers.

Out of all submitted proposals, two projects will be selected for
funded realisation by a jury.  To each of the two selected projects, a
scholarship of EUR 2.000,00 will be granted.  This fee should cover
the entire realisation of the project, material expenses, travel,
accomodation and all further expenses in conjunction with the
realisation of the project.  The selected artists are invited to use
the school's facilities (e.g. laboratories, studios) free of charge
for realising the work.  In case a selected proposal has been
submitted by more than one artist, one person has to be elected by the
team for being responsible for the project, signing the contract and
receiving the money due to legal issues.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Due to legal issues, the scholarships for the projects
can only be given to non-germans, i.e. to anybody whose nationality is
NOT german.

Further projects might be invited for inclusion in the exhibition but
whithout granting any funding from the conference.

For submission, please use the form provided with the photo material.
Submission is via e-mail to:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Deadline: Friday, October 19, 2007, 24:00:00 CEST (+2)

THIS IS EQUAL TO (all winter times from now on):
October 20, 2007, 08:00:00 AEST (+10)
October 20, 2007, 07:00:00 JST (+9)
October 20, 2007, 01:00:00 MSK (+3)
October 20, 2007, 00:00:00 EET (+2)
October 19, 2007, 23:00:00 CET (+1)
October 19, 2007, 22:00:00 UTC (GMT, 0)
October 19, 2007, 18:00:00 AST (-4)
October 19, 2007, 17:00:00 EST (-5)
October 19, 2007, 16:00:00 CST (-6)
October 19, 2007, 15:00:00 MST (-7)
October 19, 2007, 14:00:00 PST (-8)

This is a HARD deadline which will NOT be extended under any
circumstances. You have been warned.
Linux Audio Conference 2008 Cologne, Germany 
28.02.-02.03.2008

Call for Music
==
http://lac.linuxaudio.org/download/lac2008_callformusic.txt

The conference will include several concerts. We are looking for music
that has been produced completely or mostly under Linux and/or with
open source software from every genre: compositions, Electronica,
Chill-Out, Ambient, etc.

If

Re: [PD] Bug in lister (zexy) ?

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> However, I'd rather not have a one character shortcut point to a 
> deprecated/buggy object.


appreciating that you found a bug in [lister] (which has been around for 
quite a while and i do believe it was useful and used), i cannot follow 
your arguing:
though shalt not use aliases for buggy objects
though shalt not use 1-character names for buggy objects
though shalt rename buggy objects to [buggy_]
though shalt not use buggy objects
though shalt not write buggy objects

not much left to use then...


fgmasd.r
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[PD] Ars Longa - Workshops of digital creation.

[eric genissel]

Ars Longa organizes throughout the year of the workshops of numerical
creation. Here workshops envisaged from October at December 2007.


http://www.arslonga.info

*Pure Dated, Sensors and Actuators 20 hour 200€ *

This module proposes an initiation into the Pure use of the language Dated,
finalized(worked out) by an artists' international community developers, at
instigation of Miller Puckette (also at the origin of Max / MSP). The
flexibility of this language (reduced to the writing of patchs graphs)
allows to use him(it) in diverse situations where the real-time management
of various types of stream (sound, image / video) is crucial.

Date session: 22 to 25 / 10


*Max Max/MSP/Jitter MSP 20 hours 200€ *

Max/MSP/Jitter MSP is an environment of programming multi-platform used for
fifteen years by an active community of artists and researchers, for the
musical, sound and visual experiment. (Http: // www.cycling74.com/) The
workshop(studio) " panorama of the software " give bases for the handling of
the software, allows a first approach as well as the discovery of
potentiality of the software and of its applications in the world of the
plastic arts.

Date session: 12 to 15 / 11



Association Ars Longa

67, av Parmentier 75011 Paris

http://www.arslonga.info**

01 43 55 47 71

*Ars Longa *organise tout au long de l'année des ateliers de création
numérique. Voici les ateliers prévus d'octobre à décembre 2007.

http://www.arslonga.info**

* *

* *

*Pure Data, Capteurs & Actionneurs  20h  200€
*Ce module propose une initiation à l'utilisation du langage Pure Data, mis
au point par une communauté internationale d'artistes développeurs, sous
l'impulsion de Miller Puckette (également à l'origine de Max/MSP). La
souplesse de ce langage (réduit à l'écriture de patchs graphiques) permet de
l'utiliser dans diverses situations où la gestion temps réel de différents
types de flux (son, image/vidéo, capteurs gestuels, actionneurs/moteurs) est
cruciale.**

*Dates de la session : du 22 au 25 / 10*

* *

* *

*Max/MSP/Jitter  20h  200€*

Max/MSP/Jitter est un environnement de programmation multi-plateforme
utilisé depuis quinze ans par une communauté active d'artistes et de
chercheurs, pour l'expérimentation musicale, sonore et visuelle.   (
http://www.cycling74.com/)

L'atelier « panorama du logiciel » donne les bases pour la prise en main du
logiciel, permet une première approche ainsi que la découverte de
potentialité du logiciel et des ses applications dans le monde des arts
plastiques.

*Dates de la session : du 12 au 15 / 11*

-- 
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Re: [PD] Clicks between slices (slicer)

[hard off]

when you send a message to trigger a new slice, do the following:

1) send a [vline~] ramp to cut the volume

ie,

[tabread4~]
|
|  [0 5. 0 5 5(
|  |
|  [vline~]
|  |
[*~ ]


2) delay your slice message 5 ms so that the new slice is retriggered
exactly when the volume is zero.
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Re: [PD] : PD sync with JACK (linux)

[Mysth-R]

Ok. So, there is not really an external to do what I want. :(

Thank you for your answer :)
Best,

Erwan


2007/9/30, Frank Barknecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hallo,
> Mysth-R hat gesagt: // Mysth-R wrote:
>
> > In pd I just use a counter to generate a regular signal (bang)
> > Is there a way to send or receive a signal that I could transform in bpm
> in
>
> You can send any message with OSC like "/system/bpm 120" or
> "/system/beat kaboom" or whatever. With midi, you could either simply
> reserve a certain note on a certain channel for this, or define a
> certain controller to be the "speed" or "bpm" controller. You could
> even use an audio signal for synchronization, e.g. a click
> signal or a [phasor~].
>
> Anyway, on the Pd side you're totally free to use whatever as a
> bpm/beat counter/trigger/controller. It's likely that the software on
> the other end is more restrictive, so probably your Pd patch will need
> to adapt to whatever Ardour, seq24 etc. are expecting to control their
> tempo.
>
> Ciao
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Re: [PD] [?slider]-resolution and number altering

[Steffen]

On 01/10/2007, at 2.03, Steffen Leve Poulsen wrote:

> Yes, you're iterating over common issues.

Dang. I don't recall it being mentioned.

> It's a very nice filter once you get to know it.
> .this.slider..thing

Yeah, or [?sl] could become [clip].

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Re: [PD] [?slider]-resolution and number altering

[Steffen]

On 01/10/2007, at 9.19, Frank Barknecht wrote:

> you're two different Steffens??

Yes. I should soon change my sender name to Steffen Juul.

> Anyway, there already is a bug report open regarding this.

Oops. Then hopefully it (the wee patch i made) will depreciated soon.  
The report is 1556206.


> IMO sliders muss pass numbers unchanged.

Agreed. That's what i silently kind of hinted.

Thanks.

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Re: [PD] [?slider]-resolution and number altering

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,

you're two different Steffens?? 

Anyway, there already is a bug report open regarding this. Forgot the
number, but I submitted it a while ago. IMO sliders muss pass numbers
unchanged.

Ciao
-- 
Frank

Steffen Leve Poulsen hat gesagt: // Steffen Leve Poulsen wrote:

> Yes, you're iterating over common issues.
> It's a very nice filter once you get to know it.
> .this.slider..thing
> 
> mvh/Stef
> 
> Steffen skrev:
> > Hey Pd'ers
> > 
> > I long ago had some troubles with a patch that used the (iem) gui 
> > slider. The patch was buggy and i couldn't figure why till i fund that 
> > the slider somehow altered the number sent through it.
> > 
> > Today i looked a tad more into it. The results are documented in the 
> > attached patch. - If i'm repeating something i'd like to know what and 
> > where it is. Other feedback also most welcome.
> > 
> > 
> > 
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[PD] Clicks between slices (slicer)

[F R E N K]

Hey everybody!

i programmed a slicer that grabs incoming audio and divides it, its working 
pretty well, the thing is you can hear a "gap" or "click" between the different 
slices when the whole loop (composed of separate parts of one same sound) is 
played back... has anybody heard of a solution for this type of problem?

it works by writing 8 separate arrays and then playing them back one after 
another.

thanx in advance,

Rodrigo (mexico)

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Re: [PD] fundamental hot/cold midi question

[Steffen Leve Poulsen]

Yves Degoyon skrev:
> ola,
> 
>> anyway, there's not only programming in life, hopefully,
>>  
>>
> " a programmer is someone who has the illusion of making the machine behave
> as a human brain one day, all he is achieving for now is
> to make the human brains behave like machines".
> 
> this to tell programmers not to feel so superior..
> i program but that's not the only thing i do.
> 
> sevy
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Whatncannthenprogrammerntrancendntoon?
Howncannthenprogrammerndecentn?n

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[PD] [PD-announce] Strings Of Consciousness > The WIREtapper / CMJ / live @ Supersonic

[Philippe Petit]

hope that this message finds you well
last July we were privileged to be invited to perform at Supersonic  
festival
those who wish to listen to the organisers'favourite sets should go  
there:


http://www.last.fm/music/Various+Artists/Live+At+Supersonic+2007

u will be exposed to live recordings by Oxbow, Mogwaï, Jazkamer,  
Tunng, Kid 606... And many more...




also online but free for download the glorious CMJ Network from New- 
York  has chosen to feature our song "Asphodel" and Strings Of  
Consciousness among their favourite "new acts"
our song is an edit of the opener on the album "Our Moon Is Full"  
released this month on Central Control


http://cmj.com/



we are honoured to be featured on the new Wiretapper compilation,  
celebrating 25 years of existence and exploration in modern music by  
one of the world leading magazine: The WIRE
The Wire Tapper 18 is given away free with all copies of The Wire  
284, October 2007

for full details :

http://www.thewire.co.uk/current/wiretapper.php



also worth readin and visiting we have added a link section on our  
site, in hope to draw your attention to hundreds of labels, bands,  
activists that we respect


http://www.stringsofconsciousness.info


hav a nice trip


Discography:

Strings Of Consciousness & Foetus : asphodel
(VA. Wire Tapper 18 free with The Wire # 284)

Our Moon Is Full (CD/LP - Central Control International)

Kammerflimmer Kollektiev / Strings Of Consciousness (10' - Karl Records)

Sonic Glimpses (instru) / Sirenade 'Round Midnite (pict. disc 7' - CCI)

Strings Of Consciousness & My Brightest Diamond : gone away
(VA. Tear It Down. CD - Asthmatic Kitty)

2 songs on BiP_HOp Generation vol. 8 (BiP_HOp)




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