Re: [PD] pyext~

[Hans Roels]

Hello Thomas,

I'd like to ask a related question: is it possible to use the SndObj 
library via pyext~ (via the python module for SndObj)? I never tried 
it because signal processing with pyext is too inefficient, am i right?

... and thanks a lot for all the work on pyext, it's really a very 
handy tool, I use it a lot!

Hans r

At 16:02 14/10/2007, you wrote:
>Hallo Thomas !
>
> > Signal support for py/pyext is really experimental and i don't recommend
> > it at all, since it's also inefficient cpu-wise.
>
>I am just curious: what is so slow ?
>(I did not look into the source ...)
>
>I use also python for offline computation (not with pd yet) and it is
>quite fast - so is the interface to pd the problem ?
>
>LG
>Georg
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Re: [PD] gem/fullscreen/linux

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

Roman Haefeli wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 03:00 +0200, Atte André Jensen wrote:
>> That only works when not running in fullscreen :-(
> 
> don't know why exactly this is so, it is the same here: when in
> fullscreen, [gemkeyboard] seems to not work..   

i am not sure either :-)
basically it is, because in fullscreen mode, Gem will draw to the 
root-window, which is special in X.

otoh, depending on your window-manager you might well be able to access 
the keyboard-events in ghe gemwin (though i haven't had success (but i 
haven't tried that hard either))

finally, for getting out of the fullscreen mode (on single head 
machines) i usually use [gemmouse] and some combination of a hot-area 
and the right-mouseclick instead of the keyboard.

and most of my gfx-cards nowadays are dual-headed, so i usually have the 
gemwin in "fullscreen" (well, practically it is a gemwin with [border 0, 
offset 1024 0, dimen 1024 767( or the like) on one screen and run the 
patch (including a [destroy() on the other screen...


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Re: [PD] gem/fullscreen/linux

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

Frank Barknecht wrote:
> Hallo,
> Olivier Heinry hat gesagt: // Olivier Heinry wrote:
> 
>> On the Pd side, you  have the possibility to add a [gemkeyboard] object
>> that sends a [destroy( message to [gemwin]. 
> 
> And depending on how old your Gem is, make sure to put a [delay] or
> [pipe] between gemkeyboard's output and the destroy message to not
> destroy Pd. 

to clarify: older versions of Gem did crash when you had no delay 
between the windowevent and the destruction of the window (similar to 
triggering the destruction of a subpatch from itself).

newer versions of Gem somehow workaround this.

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Re: [PD] Convert .wmv or .asf to .mov (jpeg)

[Javier García]

Roman Haefeli wrote:


> mencoder Skim.wmv -nosound -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mjpeg -of
> lavf -lavfopts format=mov -o outfile.mov

Thanks Roman but it gives this error:

MEncoder 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu9.1 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team
CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7400  @ 2.16GHz (Family: 6, Model: 15, 
Stepping: 6)
CPUflags: Type: 6 MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1
Compiled with runtime CPU detection.
success: format: 0  data: 0x0 - 0x1a677be
ASF file format detected.
VIDEO:  [WMV3]  320x240  24bpp  30.000 fps0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s)
[V] filefmt:6  fourcc:0x33564D57  size:320x240  fps:30.00  ftime:=0.0333
** MUXER_LAVF *
If you wish to use libavformat muxing, you must ensure that your video stream
does not contain B frames (out of order decoding) and specify:
-lavfopts i_certify_that_my_video_stream_does_not_use_b_frames
on the command line.
REMEMBER: MEncoder's libavformat muxing is presently broken and will generate
INCORRECT files in the presence of B frames. Moreover, due to bugs MPlayer
will play these INCORRECT files as if nothing were wrong!
***
Cannot initialize muxer.
Exiting...


> don't the helpfiles work for you?

The [pdp_qt] and [pdp_ qt~] help files work for me.


br. 
GARFF


> Subject: Re: [PD] Convert .wmv or .asf to .mov (jpeg)
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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:53:55 +0200
> 
> On Mon, 2007-10-15 at 00:28 +0200, Javier García wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > anyone has any command line to convert .wmv or .asf files to .mov
> > (jpeg codec)? 
> 
> mencoder input.wmv|asf -nosound -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mjpeg -of
> lavf -lavfopts format=mov -o outfile.mov
> 
> (this doesn't encode any sound into the new file)
> 
> > You know, to play them then with [pdp_qt] or [pdp_qt~].
> 
> yeah: as suggested in the helpfile [pdp_qt], respectively [pdp_qt~]
> 
> don't the helpfiles work for you?
> 
> roman
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Re: [PD] Pd-extended final release candidate - please test!

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

olsen wolf wrote:
> Hi Hans
> as i'm surrounded by a kindof ubuntu farm atm i feeded it to ubuntu
> studio & kubuntu feisty & so far they've eaten it all without
> bleating. i also bottle-feeded it(the feisty release) to gutsy as he's
> in the back & he was complaining about missing libquicktime0 during
> the installation which is not due to my research not availiable for
> gutsy...

newer versions of debian (and therefore ubuntu) have replaced 
libquicktime0 (0.9.x) by libquicktime1 (1.0.x)
most likely these are binary compatible and you could install the old 
package with an override-dependencies flag.
(you might also have to symlink the /usr/lib/libquicktime.so.0 to 
/usr/lib/libquicktime.so)

but of course this is hackish and evil.

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Re: [PD] pyext~

[Thomas Grill]

Hi Georg,
>
> I am just curious: what is so slow ?
> (I did not look into the source ...)
>
> I use also python for offline computation (not with pd yet) and it is 
> quite fast - so is the interface to pd the problem ?
To my experience python is quite fast, when the underlying C components 
do most of the work (like with pyode, numpy, etc.).
The C-python interpreter can't be called fast on the other hand, at 
least compared to C/C++. If you do DSP processing using Python 
statements (not numpy) it's really a waste of cpu.

greetings, Thomas


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Re: [PD] pyext~

[Thomas Grill]

Hans Roels schrieb:
> Hello Thomas,
>
> I'd like to ask a related question: is it possible to use the SndObj 
> library via pyext~ (via the python module for SndObj)? I never tried 
> it because signal processing with pyext is too inefficient, am i right?
>   
I haven't tried either so i can't really comment on that.
There's C++ SndObj support in flext though, which is far more recommended.

gr~~~



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Re: [PD] pyext~

[Georg Holzmann]

Hallo!

> To my experience python is quite fast, when the underlying C components 
> do most of the work (like with pyode, numpy, etc.).
> The C-python interpreter can't be called fast on the other hand, at 
> least compared to C/C++. If you do DSP processing using Python 
> statements (not numpy) it's really a waste of cpu.

Of course one has to use numpy, scipy and all that ...
They use quite optimized BLAS/LAPACK algorithms, which should be faster 
than pure pd - but I never tried the pd-numpy DSP combination.

LG
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[PD] syntax of Pd files

[Andy Farnell]

Through trial and error I've managed to reach what I thought was
an understanding of Pd file format. However, on deeper analysis
I keep discovering I'm wrong, in fact the Pd file structure and
the syntax of the statements is not what I thought (which explains
many previous programming errors).

I think it's been asked before and received no satisfactory answer,
so once again - Where is the complete file format and syntactic
definitions of the Pd file documented (not by reading through the
source of the parser)?

Would someone care to go through and explain in a simple tutorial
how Pd constructs its netlist and what are the meanings of the 
parameters to each of these statements


#X msg 125 100 bang;

An easy one, a message containing [bang( at coordinates 125 100, right?

#X obj 144 128 s $1-zero;

And again, an object of class "send" at coords 144,128 with name $1-zero.

#X array $1-THREE 6485 float 0;

Maybe an easy one, we create an array called $1-THREE of size
6485 of type float. And an array doesn't need coordinates because a graph
has the coordinates not the array. But what is that 0 at the end?


#N canvas 0 22 450 300 graph1 0;
#X restore 235 308 graph1;

What is the real purpose of restore? What are these parameters? How does
it relate to the canvas?

What the hell is coords? Why?

#X coords 0 1.02 6484 -1.02 200 130 1;


#X connect 60 0 62 0;

Can anyone thoroughly explain connections and how their ordering
is important? It's an ordered adjacency matrix? 

I think this would be very helpful for everyone to have
properly documented somewhere.

Cheers,

Andy


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[PD] Pd-extended final release candidate - please test!

[Si Mills]

Hi

I've noted a couple of bugs:

* FFT seems to be broke on PPC. I just get nasty crackles. (Pb G4 /  
10.4.10)
* [blosc~] doesn't instantiate - You have to physically add a '~' to  
the external in the library to fix it.
* [freeverb~] produces no sound

thanks

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Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files

[hard off]

>#X connect 60 0 62 0;


this is easy.

60 = the 61st object in that window to be created (because 0 is also counted)
0 = 1st OUTLET of that object

62 = the 63rd object in that window to be created
0 = 1st INLET of that object

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Re: [PD] Pd-extended final release candidate - please test!

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

Si Mills wrote:
> Hi
> 
> * [blosc~] doesn't instantiate - You have to physically add a '~' to  
> the external in the library to fix it.

i would like to see you getting a physical grip on the tilde in the 
library...


honestly: does it mean that you have to rename the file?


mfga.dsr
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Re: [PD] Pd-extended final release candidate - please test!

[Si Mills]

Honestly. Yep!

On 16 Oct 2007, at 09:56, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

> Si Mills wrote:
>> Hi
>> * [blosc~] doesn't instantiate - You have to physically add a '~'  
>> to  the external in the library to fix it.
>
> i would like to see you getting a physical grip on the tilde in the  
> library...
>
>
> honestly: does it mean that you have to rename the file?
>
>
> mfga.dsr
> IOhannes


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[PD] Pdpedia mailing list (French)

[Jérôme Abel]

For Pdpedia project, maybe we need a different mailing list for contributors. In
french we have two :

http://artsens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pdpedia

http://ns.artengine.ca/mailman/listinfo/pdmtl

First, we must discuss a bit about this tool for pdpedia french team ...

If there is no disagree, we have to choose between these 2 lists. I think
Montreal is already a group, so it's easier to maintain, but Jean-Noël could
tell us what he think.

If we choose Montreal group, a special list is the best, no ?

METHOD
--
To make a progressiv human work on Pdpedia, we could be agree about a method.
For exemple, we propose together a list of 20 objects to complete. after a bit
we look at these 20 objects and decide to make another list. And so on ...

We could start with Pd Vanilla objects.

I saw Pdpedia english, they have already put the name of the objects
http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:vanilla

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Re: [PD] a general discussion about which software to learn: pd, max, both... or else?

[Chuckk Hubbard]

On 10/16/07, Frank Barknecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hallo,
> Mathieu Bouchard hat gesagt: // Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 15 Oct 2007, Frank Barknecht wrote:
> >
> > >I believe, the choice between a 1-dimensional language like SC and a
> > >2-dimensional one like Pd is a state of mind thing. I do my fair share
> > >of 1-dim programming,
> >
> > Non-graphical languages are still 2-dimensional as they are written,
> > because people use lines (rows) as logical units of code. The compiler
> > makes a largely 1-dimensional interpretation of it, but this is not how
> > people write and read code. Similarly, Pd almost completely ignores the
> > actual position of the objects (except [inlet] and [outlet]) when
> > interpreting a patch.
>
> In usual text based languages like C, Lisp, Forth, Python, Java, ...
> the second dimension is largely irrelevant, because every identifier
> only is concerned with what's left or right of it, not what's on top


>From the point of view of the compiler, perhaps, but I think most
programmers are very concerned with vertical arrangement, in the sense of
how they think, no?  A .c file with line breaks removed looks like gibberish
to a human, though it may compile fine.
In either text-based or dataflow languages, actual program flow can vary,
whatever the order of elements, so methinks there is always some kind of
temporal and conditional thought going on.  If time is another dimension,
then perhaps the debate is 2 vs. 3 dimensions?

-Chuckk

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[PD] camera setup with pix_video

[Oded Ben-Tal]

I'm looking to but a cheap ($20) camera to use with PD/Gem on a MacPro 
(osx 10.4). Will most cameras be supporter (i.e. [pix_video] will work)? 
are their options to avoid? anyone has recomendations?
I'm looking for fairly simple video capture option for experimenting
sacrificing quality and portability and price.

thanks


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Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files

[hard off]

#X array $1-THREE 6485 float 0;

as i just found out, you need a backslash in front of $ args.  eg..  /$1-THREE



no idea what the float 0 means though.

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Re: [PD] gem/fullscreen/linux

[Atte André Jensen]

IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

> to clarify: older versions of Gem did crash when you had no delay 
> between the windowevent and the destruction of the window (similar to 
> triggering the destruction of a subpatch from itself).

I have this crash and my gem i 0.90, is there anything newer available 
for linux and if so where? I wasn't ablt to locate it on the website...

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] DesireData 2007.08.04

[Rich E]

I've been waiting to try this for so long... glad to see all the work done
on it.  I just compiled without a hitch, but I can't get it to run yet:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src/desiredata-2007.08.04/src$ ./pd
bind: Address already in use (98)

anyone know what this means?

regards,
rich


On 8/3/07, Mathieu Bouchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>http://artengine.ca/desiredata/download/desiredata-2007.08.04.tar.gz
>
> ChangeLog:
> --8 DesireData 2007.08.04 :
>
>   * Unicode locales
>   * fixed type mismatch bug recently introduced in [unpack]...
>   * fixed lost console posts at startup
>   * turned most fprintf() into post() or error()
>   * added Chinese locale from Chun Lee
>   * added Polish locale from Michal Seta
>   * added object creation history
>   * added arrow keys and mouse clicks to KeyboardDialog
>   * added click drag and copy
>   * added background grid
>   * added snap to grid
>   * added new font selector (in client prefs)
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Re: [PD] gem/fullscreen/linux

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

Atte André Jensen wrote:
> IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
> 
>> to clarify: older versions of Gem did crash when you had no delay 
>> between the windowevent and the destruction of the window (similar to 
>> triggering the destruction of a subpatch from itself).
> 
> I have this crash and my gem i 0.90, is there anything newer available 
> for linux and if so where? I wasn't ablt to locate it on the website...

we don't provide linux binaries because of dependency issues.
(chances are low that my binary will work on your machine)


just get the sources from cvs and compile.
% cvs -z9 -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/pd-gem login
% cvs -z9 -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/pd-gem co -P Gem
% cd Gem/src
% make

it should be quite easy :-)


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] DesireData 2007.08.04

[Rich E]

whoops, nevermind.  I'm impatient and I forgot to finish reading the install
file. "wish desire.tk" works like a charm.   Testing it out now... thanks!

rich

On 10/16/07, Rich E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've been waiting to try this for so long... glad to see all the work done
> on it.  I just compiled without a hitch, but I can't get it to run yet:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src/desiredata-2007.08.04/src$ ./pd
> bind: Address already in use (98)
>
> anyone know what this means?
>
> regards,
> rich
>
>
> On 8/3/07, Mathieu Bouchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> >
> >http://artengine.ca/desiredata/download/desiredata-2007.08.04.tar.gz
> >
> > ChangeLog:
> > --8 > DesireData 2007.08.04 :
> >
> >   * Unicode locales
> >   * fixed type mismatch bug recently introduced in [unpack]...
> >   * fixed lost console posts at startup
> >   * turned most fprintf() into post() or error()
> >   * added Chinese locale from Chun Lee
> >   * added Polish locale from Michal Seta
> >   * added object creation history
> >   * added arrow keys and mouse clicks to KeyboardDialog
> >   * added click drag and copy
> >   * added background grid
> >   * added snap to grid
> >   * added new font selector (in client prefs)
> >
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[PD] level of abstraction in gem

[Atte André Jensen]

Hi

So I played a bit with gem, and still have lots to learn. One thing I 
keep thinking is how low an abstraction level I'm working on. Is this 
simply the way it should be or are there any abstractions available 
that'll cut corners.

I realize that to some extend there's a tradeoff between being 100% in 
control and a high abstraction level, but to get a newbie like me going 
quickly a blend would be nice.

I'm not even sure exactly what I'd like to see, but some wiz-bang 
filters that do a lot and look good.

BTW: I'm in no way complaining and I'm trying not to be lazy :-)

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Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files

[Patrice Colet]

Hi,

Andy Farnell a écrit :



#N canvas 0 22 450 300 graph1 0;
#X restore 235 308 graph1;

What is the real purpose of restore? What are these parameters? How does
it relate to the canvas?





What the hell is coords? Why?

#X coords 0 1.02 6484 -1.02 200 130 1;



This is the parameters in canvas properties windows, you can also set 
those parameters with the message to the patch "donecanvasdialog"



Can anyone thoroughly explain connections and how their ordering
is important? It's an ordered adjacency matrix? 


I've attached a patch that illustrate how it could be important.
 Each time it receive a different MIDI controller datum, the patch 
creates two objects and connects them, we can find out what object have 
been created with a counter because they have been numbered in order of 
apparition.


 There also is a trick in the patch with "makefilename %c" for 
inserting "\" into created object (see into pd $1-float), so with the 
\$1 argument the dynamically created object keeps the dollar sign 
instead of being replaced by the variable value.



I think this would be very helpful for everyone to have
properly documented somewhere.


 A dynamic patching tutorial would be appreciated as well.

Cheers,

Andy






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Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files

[Steffen Juul]

On 16/10/2007, at 12.40, Patrice Colet wrote:

>> I think this would be very helpful for everyone to have
>> properly documented somewhere.
>
>  A dynamic patching tutorial would be appreciated as well.

There is something in CVSROOT/doc/additional/pd-msg/ 

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Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files

[Steffen Juul]

On 16/10/2007, at 22.51, Andy Farnell wrote:

> Where is the complete file format and syntactic
> definitions of the Pd file documented (not by reading through the
> source of the parser)?

Though it might not be up to date i think there has been made an  
attempt in CVSROOT/doc/additional/pd-fileformat.html 

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Re: [PD] a general discussion about which software to learn: pd, max, both... or else?

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,
Chuckk Hubbard hat gesagt: // Chuckk Hubbard wrote:

> >From the point of view of the compiler, perhaps, but I think most
> programmers are very concerned with vertical arrangement, in the sense of
> how they think, no?  A .c file with line breaks removed looks like gibberish
> to a human, though it may compile fine.

Well, a novel also is hard to read it it would just have one loong
line on one page. But it would have the same meaning. In fact, I
think, in the old times "books" even were just one looong page.

But it's different, if spatial layout is tied to the meaning of a
text. Comic books are an example: Here spatial arrangement (like order
and size of panels) is an important tool to express different
meanings. In programming, a spreadsheet application would be an
example for a tool, where spatial arrangements may carry meaning.

The fact that even with inherently 1-dimensional languages humans tend
to organize the words neatly on the page by properly indenting logical
blocks etc. although technically it wouldn't matter, is a hint, that
thinking about algorithms,... may work better in two dimensions. 
Sutherland's thesis has some more things to say about this issue, IIRC.

Sutherland's main focus is discussing how to make a computer
understand spatial meaning, and some issues with that. In Pd the
actual spatial layout, as Matju wrote, is not important. What's
important are the connection cords. They define the meaning. But it
would be possible to just take distance as defining meaning. IIRC
Guenther Geiger developed a dataflow music language which gets rid of
patch cords and just uses distance and size of objects to convey
meaning. The reacTable uses a similar idea: Just bring two objects
close to each other, and they magically get connected. Pd here is in
the middle: Distance doesn't matter technically, but to the Pd
programmer managing spatial layout is as important as indenting is to
the 1-dim programmer as far as readability is concerned. 

(Personally I'm quite sensitive in this regard and for example I try
to avoid using abstractions, that *look* messy, have to many crossing
wires and are generally carelessly laid out. It's hard to read such
patches so it's more likely that they contain bugs. I won't point
fingers, as many of my older patches are like this as well [don't look
into originator.pd].)

> In either text-based or dataflow languages, actual program flow can vary,
> whatever the order of elements, so methinks there is always some kind of
> temporal and conditional thought going on.  If time is another dimension,
> then perhaps the debate is 2 vs. 3 dimensions?

Actually especially for music, (real) time is a very important
dimension, maybe the single most important one, and logical time is
important in every program. The generally right-to-left execution
order of in/outlets expresses a notion of logical time in patch space.
By putting objects, that act at the same time, next to each other, or
objects, that act after each other, in different rows/colums one
can express some time relationships manually as well.

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Re: [PD] gem/fullscreen/linux

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,
Atte André Jensen hat gesagt: // Atte André Jensen wrote:

> IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
> 
> > to clarify: older versions of Gem did crash when you had no delay 
> > between the windowevent and the destruction of the window (similar to 
> > triggering the destruction of a subpatch from itself).
> 
> I have this crash and my gem i 0.90, is there anything newer available 
> for linux and if so where? I wasn't ablt to locate it on the website...

I think you need to use the CVS version. But I'd just use a [delay]

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Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,
Andy Farnell hat gesagt: // Andy Farnell wrote:

> #X array $1-THREE 6485 float 0;
> 
> Maybe an easy one, we create an array called $1-THREE of size
> 6485 of type float. And an array doesn't need coordinates because a graph
> has the coordinates not the array. But what is that 0 at the end?

It's a flag specifiying the array's properties: "save contents", "draw
as points" etc. I don't know how exactly this is built, use the
source, Luke. ;)

> #N canvas 0 22 450 300 graph1 0;
> #X restore 235 308 graph1;
>
> What is the real purpose of restore? What are these parameters? How does
> it relate to the canvas?

The pair (canvas, restore) is like a bracket. Usually this is used to
specify start and end of a subpatches. It also resets the object
counter temporarily: "connect" inside a subpatch starts counting
objetcs at 0 again. The object counter of the parent is restored
after the end of the subpatch. See attached example
"canvas-restore.pd" It also contains things like "GOP enabled?" etc. 

Your example is a pure graph however, not a subpatch. Pure graphs are
used to hold arrays, and they have a bit different parameters. See
below. I think the parameters to "restore" hold the position of the
subcanvas in the parent.

> What the hell is coords? Why?
> 
> #X coords 0 1.02 6484 -1.02 200 130 1;

Coordinates (size etc.) of the subpatch or graph. Check the
"Properties" of the graph/subpatch. and attached example
"graphs-and-arrays.pd"

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canvas-restore.pd
Description: application/puredata


graphs-and-arrays.pd
Description: application/puredata
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Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files

[Patrice Colet]

Steffen Juul a écrit :
> 
> On 16/10/2007, at 12.40, Patrice Colet wrote:
> 
>>> I think this would be very helpful for everyone to have
>>> properly documented somewhere.
>>
>>  A dynamic patching tutorial would be appreciated as well.
> 
> There is something in CVSROOT/doc/additional/pd-msg/

  That's nice, but it doesn't work, nothing is happening when we click 
on a message, in those documentation patches the send object and the 
patch haven't got the same name, for having this working we have to edit 
the send object.

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Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files

[Patrice Colet]

Patrice Colet a écrit :
> Steffen Juul a écrit :
>>
>> On 16/10/2007, at 12.40, Patrice Colet wrote:
>>
 I think this would be very helpful for everyone to have
 properly documented somewhere.
>>>
>>>  A dynamic patching tutorial would be appreciated as well.
>>
>> There is something in CVSROOT/doc/additional/pd-msg/
> 
>  That's nice, but it doesn't work, nothing is happening when we click on 
> a message, in those documentation patches the send object and the patch 
> haven't got the same name, for having this working we have to edit the 
> send object.
> 
Why the hell do you want to deprecate namecanvas?!

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[PD] GEM in 3 extended windows desktops

[altern]

hi

For an installation i have access to a windows machine that has a 
graphics card with three video outputs. We are trying to get 3 
fullscreen video proyections from the same machine.

I made a patch that opens up a GEM window with 3072x768 size. Then 
render a rectangle with an image for each of the desktop areas. First 
matches the first desktop's size and position , same for the second and 
the third.

But it looks like GEM does not extends to the second and third desktops 
when opening on fullscreen mode, only if I open in a normal window shows 
the image in the second monitor. Ideally I would need to be fullscreen 
so that any other OS items are hidden.

Has anyone tried something similar before?. Sorry i could not check the 
mailing list archives because i can only send email, not browse the 
internet at the moment.

thanks!

enrike

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Re: [PD] GEM in 3 extended windows desktops

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

altern wrote:
> hi
> 
> For an installation i have access to a windows machine that has a 
> graphics card with three video outputs. We are trying to get 3 
> fullscreen video proyections from the same machine.
> 
> I made a patch that opens up a GEM window with 3072x768 size. Then 
> render a rectangle with an image for each of the desktop areas. First 
> matches the first desktop's size and position , same for the second and 
> the third.
> 
> But it looks like GEM does not extends to the second and third desktops 
> when opening on fullscreen mode, only if I open in a normal window shows 
> the image in the second monitor. Ideally I would need to be fullscreen 
> so that any other OS items are hidden.
> 
> Has anyone tried something similar before?. Sorry i could not check the 
> mailing list archives because i can only send email, not browse the 
> internet at the moment.

use
[border 0, dimen 3072 768, offset 0 0(
instead of
[fullscreen 1(

mfg.asdr
IOhannes

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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

[ydegoyon]

Derek Holzer wrote:

> As Roman already so eloquently suggested
>
> EVERYONE PLEASE STOP THIS NOW.
>
> You're all adults enough that no one needs to get the last word in. I hope.
>
> Thanks,
> derek
>
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>
sorry, _nobody_ can stop a discussion here,
and not in this authoritative way...
( except if it _disturbs_ you,
which is kind of revelating )

there's no 'PLEASE STOP' there is 'YES PLEASE HURT ME!',
that's all we can take here.

i was disconnected for some days,
but you might know more soon.

and as derek yourself you said once : 'thank you, pueblo!'
( for downloading objects from her site )
so to hell if you're not concerned how girls are treated
in the pd community ( actually just as meat and object of greasy jokes ),
so again, yeh, sorry, they won't participate to nothing here!

from the south,
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Re: [PD] gem/fullscreen/linux

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

we don't provide linux binaries because of dependency issues.
(chances are low that my binary will work on your machine)


This is something that gets fixed using static linking, no? But perhaps 
making correct static linking while building a shared library is not so 
easy, compared to making a standalone app.


A few years ago, I had written this line, in order to compile with 
libruby.a and still produce a .so :


  lib = "-Wl,--whole-archive"+lib+"-Wl,--no-whole-archive" unless OSX

You give those options to GCC, but the "-Wl," means "delegate the 
following option directly to LD"


Have you ever tried that?

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Re: [PD] pyext~

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Thomas Grill wrote:

To my experience python is quite fast, when the underlying C components 
do most of the work (like with pyode, numpy, etc.). The C-python 
interpreter can't be called fast on the other hand, at least compared to 
C/C++. If you do DSP processing using Python statements (not numpy) it's 
really a waste of cpu.


Let me just add that the same pattern happened within the pd world: 
unoptimised interpreter takes time to get one step done, so the answer is 
to make it so that less steps are needed. After all, that's why you made 
Vasp and that's also why I made GridFlow.


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Re: [PD] gem/fullscreen/linux

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
>> we don't provide linux binaries because of dependency issues.
>> (chances are low that my binary will work on your machine)
> 
> This is something that gets fixed using static linking, no? But perhaps 
> making correct static linking while building a shared library is not so 
> easy, compared to making a standalone app.
> 
> A few years ago, I had written this line, in order to compile with 
> libruby.a and still produce a .so :
> 
>   lib = "-Wl,--whole-archive"+lib+"-Wl,--no-whole-archive" unless OSX
> 
> You give those options to GCC, but the "-Wl," means "delegate the 
> following option directly to LD"
> 
> Have you ever tried that?

no i haven't.
but here Gem depends on 61 libraries (including the most standard 
stuff), i guess the resulting lib will get quite big...


fmadsr.
IOhannes

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Re: [PD] gem/fullscreen/linux

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
>> we don't provide linux binaries because of dependency issues.
>> (chances are low that my binary will work on your machine)
> 
> This is something that gets fixed using static linking, no? But perhaps 
> making correct static linking while building a shared library is not so 
> easy, compared to making a standalone app.
> 
> A few years ago, I had written this line, in order to compile with 
> libruby.a and still produce a .so :
> 
>   lib = "-Wl,--whole-archive"+lib+"-Wl,--no-whole-archive" unless OSX

this should look like
"-Wl,--whole-archive -lmpeg3 -ljpeg -ltiff -Wl,--no-whole-archive"
instead of "-lmpeg3 -ljpeg -ltiff".
correct?

if so, it doesn't do anything meaningful here...


mfg.asrd
IOhannes

> 
> You give those options to GCC, but the "-Wl," means "delegate the 
> following option directly to LD"
> 
> Have you ever tried that?
> 
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Re: [PD] level of abstraction in gem

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,
Atte André Jensen hat gesagt: // Atte André Jensen wrote:

> So I played a bit with gem, and still have lots to learn. One thing I 
> keep thinking is how low an abstraction level I'm working on. Is this 
> simply the way it should be or are there any abstractions available 
> that'll cut corners.

Check out the pixelTango abstractions from CVS.

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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

[David Merrill]

> so to hell if you're not concerned how girls are treated
> in the pd community ( actually just as meat and object of greasy jokes ),
> so again, yeh, sorry, they won't participate to nothing here!


yves,
I haven't noticed anything offensive on the list like you describe (maybe
you're mixing life on the streets with life on the pd-list? :)) In my
experience the discussion here is respectful and helpful, and it's *usually*
about PD... I agree that there's no point in agitating to prematurely end a
relevant discussion - but personally I got bored a while ago, and I don't
think this thread is on-topic anymore (bored/irritated != disturbed). I
think it would be a better use of everyone's time to get back to discussing
Pure Data.
best,
-David M.
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Re: [PD] pyext~

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Georg Holzmann wrote:

Of course one has to use numpy, scipy and all that ... They use quite 
optimized BLAS/LAPACK algorithms, which should be faster than pure pd - 
but I never tried the pd-numpy DSP combination.


No, the main reason for the speedup is not the use of optimised 
algorithms, it's simply the fact that GCC optimises calls and loops much 
more than pd does, because pd doesn't optimise at all.


every time you send a message, pd looks up the connection-list of your 
outlet, to find each receiver. For each receiver, it looks up the class, 
and in that class it looks up the anything-slot, and/or the float-slot or 
the symbol-slot, and if you use a named method, it goes through a 
linked-list of method-slots.


If you add up two arrays of 240 rows by 320 columns by 3 channels, that's 
230400 additions, but because you have to manage counters and such it's 
triple or quadruple or worse, in number of messages.


a simple program compiled with GCC (even without any optimisation option) 
doesn't do the repetitive lookup because it was decided in advance that it 
wouldn't change and GCC looked it up once and it was over.


For a patch that tries to do float operations as fast as possible, that is 
still, most likely, the single biggest execution time saver, more so than 
SIMD, SMP/hyperthreading, ... and I would believe that 
BLAS/LAPACK-specific optimisations would be only for really special 
operations that I very rarely think about using when patching in pd.


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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

[pueblo]

> yves,
> I haven't noticed anything offensive on the list like you describe (maybe
> you're mixing life on the streets with life on the pd-list? :))

hi David and all,
I don't know if you didn't follow some threads but here are some examples
of greasy jokes:

From:   João Miguel Pais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:   Tue, October 9, 2007 1:29 pm

- do you know how many feminists are necessary to change a lightbulb? 2:
One to change the lightbulb, and one to s**k my c**k.
[I think all users are old enough to read this, and at least it's a
humorous tone, not purely offensive like some mails in the last weeks]


I am not old enough to consider this a joke and I am quite old ;-) but ok
I also know I don't have a good sense of humor


Subject:Re: [PD] about pd
From:   "Andy Farnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:   Fri, October 12, 2007 5:15 am

Edmund:   Baldrick, fetch my Incredibly Strong Ale...!

Monk:  Good god!  Not Dr McGloo's Amber Enema...?

Edmund:  Pah! -- a drink for schoolgirls...

Partridge:  Surely not Strollop's Lobster Scrumpy...?

Edmund:  No -- it is Blackadder's Bowel Basher!


\runs off singing "I'm Merlin, The Happy Pig!"

and not to forget the call for 'sexy' externals included in some mail that
I will not repeat.

I am very sorry to keep on with this discussion but I would like to ask
the list to consider that some of us are trying to use the mailing list as
an educational resource, so when there are toasts for school girls, and
some consensus about laughing together on silly anti feminist jokes just
to name a few factors... err I don't think this works anymore.

I really didn't want to post another OT but to be blind about the facts is
just a bit too much for me to keep silent.

best,
Alejandra



>> so to hell if you're not concerned how girls are treated
>> in the pd community ( actually just as meat and object of greasy jokes
>> ),
>> so again, yeh, sorry, they won't participate to nothing here!
>
>
> yves,
> I haven't noticed anything offensive on the list like you describe (maybe
> you're mixing life on the streets with life on the pd-list? :)) In my
> experience the discussion here is respectful and helpful, and it's
> *usually*
> about PD... I agree that there's no point in agitating to prematurely end
> a
> relevant discussion - but personally I got bored a while ago, and I don't
> think this thread is on-topic anymore (bored/irritated != disturbed). I
> think it would be a better use of everyone's time to get back to
> discussing
> Pure Data.
> best,
> -David M.
> --
> MIT Media Lab
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://web.media.mit.edu/~dmerrill/
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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

[Charles Henry]

> there's no 'PLEASE STOP' there is 'YES PLEASE HURT ME!',
> that's all we can take here.

That's funny... "yes please hurt me" is also my "safe word"
(just a little joke to illustrate how some 'fringe' vernacular enters
into common usage... we all know what that means)

but it is really kind of important to consider how types of jargon
become common usage, despite having sexist or ethnocentric overtones
(resulting in an inharmonic series of posts... see "gang bang" or
"mongolian hordes technique").

I think we could have had a constructive conversation about sexism on
the pd-list, but argumentative and egotistical comments dominated
things.  It's not a good way to persuade other people, or get to the
core of the matter.

I think you can see that many people care about the creation of an
intolerant culture on pd-list which discourages other people.  But the
thread was just not helping.

in the absence of anything constructive, I'd rather talk about beer.  Yes, beer.

Chuck

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[PD] many paths, how

[Atte André Jensen]

Hi

My paths section in my preferences is full, and I need to ad another. 
remember there was some discussion recently about how to add more, but I 
can't seem to find it. Could anyone refresh my memory?

-- 
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Atte

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Re: [PD] many paths, how

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Edit the prefs file directly:

GNU/Linux: ~/.pdsettings
Mac OS X: ~/Library/Preferences/org.puredata.pd.plist
Windows: LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Pd (registry)

.hc

On Oct 16, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Atte André Jensen wrote:

> Hi
>
> My paths section in my preferences is full, and I need to ad another.
> remember there was some discussion recently about how to add more,  
> but I
> can't seem to find it. Could anyone refresh my memory?
>
> -- 
> peace, love & harmony
> Atte
>
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Re: [PD] many paths, how

[Claude Heiland-Allen]

Atte André Jensen wrote:
> Hi
>
> My paths section in my preferences is full, and I need to ad another. 
> remember there was some discussion recently about how to add more, but I 
> can't seem to find it. Could anyone refresh my memory?
>
>   
You can separate paths with ":", eg:

$ pd -stderr -verbose -path a:b
tried /home/claude/foo.l_i386 and failed
tried a/foo.l_i386 and failed
tried b/foo.l_i386 and failed
tried /opt/puredata/lib/pd/extra/foo.l_i386 and failed
...



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Re: [PD] pd-extended 39-3 libraries load

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

That could work.  I don't use Windows, except to make sure these  
builds work, so I'm not the one to do it.  The registry stuff works  
fine from what I've seen.  Any volunteers?

.hc

On Oct 15, 2007, at 3:38 AM, pit klong wrote:

> the safest solution would be, a batch-file for windows loading all,  
> no? could that be attached to pd-ext?
>
>
>> Try [oscx/dumpOSC].
>>
>> I just uninstalled Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc3 on WinXP and installed this
>> version [dumpOSC] worked out of box.
>>
>> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-09/
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2007, at 5:23 AM, pit klong wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
 the problem with demux is, that it is an abbreviation for
 demultiplex,
 and pd(-extended) does not recognize it by default. (after you
 created
>>>
>>> sorry, unlucky example. but again, pd-extended doesn't load a lot
>>> of libraries after installing. i mentioned also "dumpOSC", and so  
>>> on.
>>>
>>> p.
>>>
 demultiplex you can also create demux objects). to solve that  
 problem
 add -lib zexy to your preferences/startup startup flags. I hope  
 that
 does it.
 I think that bug is fixed in the newer versions of pd-extended
 (autobuild).
 you can also try to use [import zexy] in your patch.
 marius.


 pit klong wrote:
>> On Windows, if you install the registry settings that are
>> included in
>> the installer, then all of the libraries will be loaded.
>
>> You can also run \Program Files\pd\pd-settings.reg to set all
>> libraries to load on startup.
>
> it definitely doesn't work. i installed it, run manually
 pd-settings.reg, but still (and also after rebooting) objects like
 "demux" or "dumpOSC"
 aren't available.
>
> pit
>
>
> .hc
>
> On Oct 7, 2007, at 7:12 AM, Luiz Naveda wrote:
>
>> I ask me the same thing every day...
>>
>> Nowdays I have had a strange problem. I have my own library which
>> depends on some other libraris from PD extended. When I have to
>> install it in other computers, I put my folders in 2 of the 10
>> slot-
>> path but normally it misses 3 or 4 other libraries, so I start to
>> look for the missing objects and rewrite all missing libraries in
>> the 10 slots...
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Luiz
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Luiz Naveda 
>> Date: Oct 7, 2007 12:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PD] pd-extended 39-3 libraries load
>> To: pit klong 
>>
>> I ask me the same thing every day...
>>
>> Nowdays I have had a strange problem. I have my own library which
>> depends on some other libraris from PD extended. When I have to
>> install it in other computers, I put my folders in 2 of the 10
>> slot-
>> path but normally it misses 3 or 4 other libraries, so I start to
>> look for the missing objects and rewrite all missing libraries in
>> the 10 slots...
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Luiz
>> On 10/7/07, pit klong  wrote:
>> hello list,
>> i've installed Pd-0.39.3-extended-rc5-windowsxp-i386.exe on XP,
>> with default library set.
>>
>> i wonder that no dll's from the "extra"-path are available.
>> and i do not understand at all, in file->path... there are 10  
>> slots
>> for paths, but you have plenty of more paths with libraries/
>> externals in pd-ext.
>>
>> how do i manage a startup that loads ALL externals, ALL dlls?
>>
>> regards,
>> pit
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Re: [PD] Fwd: portuguese pdpedia template

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 15, 2007, at 7:00 AM, João Miguel Pais wrote:

>>> ok, I guess it wasn't in the original list. that's very easy to add,
>>>
>>> $status = "Estado";
>>
>> I think it would be good to add in the infobox template to make  
>> sure the infoboxes are rendering correctly before doing the big  
>> import.  Basically, take this one:
>>
>> http://wiki.puredata.info/en/index.php? 
>> title=Template:Infobox_Objectclass&action=edit
>>
>> And translate it and paste it into this one:
>>
>> http://wiki.puredata.info/test/index.php? 
>> title=Template:Infobox_Classe_do_objecto&action=edit
>
> I had done it already before, but in http://wiki.puredata.info/pt/ 
> Predefinição:Infobox_Objectclass. I copied it now to http:// 
> wiki.puredata.info/test/Template:Infobox_Classe_do_objecto and  
> changed the table header, but it looks different as yours.


Ok, the import is running now, congrats you have a Portuguese pdpedia  
with about 2000 object templates!

http://wiki.puredata.info/pt/boids2d

The import should be done in a hour...

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[PD] Pdpedia Español WAS: translations for pd pedia templates

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Hey,

I haven't seen a complete template for this, I hope you haven't lost  
interest.  Please post a complete version of this template that I can  
copy and paste, or attach it as a separate file.  I don't speak much  
Spanish, so I can't tell what's wrong or right most of the time.


# wikipedia terms
my $stub = "";
my $template = "";
my $category = "";
my $infobox = "";
my $topLevel = "";  #

# pdpedia terms
my $objectclass = "";

# page headers
my $inlets = "";
my $outlets = "";
my $arguments = "";
my $messages = "";

# infobox
my $name = "";
my $description = "";
my $abbreviation = "";
my $library = "";
my $author = "";
my $developer = "";
my $releaseVersion = "";
my $releaseDate = "";
my $dependencies = "";
my $license = "";
my $website = "";
my $programmingLanguage = "";
my $platform = "";
my $operatingSystem = "";
my $language = "";
my $dataType = "";
my $distributions = "";
my $status = "";

.hc


On Oct 2, 2007, at 3:52 PM, Vircy Parker wrote:





Spanish

# wikipedia terms
$stub = "borrador";


I couldnt' find the wikipedia work for "stub":

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantilla:Borrador

It seems to be:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantilla:Esbozo

 ok, it seem to be Esbozo


$template = "plantilla";
$category = "categoría";
$infobox = "cuadro informativo";


These are straight from wikipedia.  I think they use the term  
"Infobox":


http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantilla:Infobox_Pa%C3%ADs

ok, our custom are full of anglicism. :)




# pdpedia terms
$objectclass = "clase de objeto";
# page headers
$inlets = "inlets";
$outlets = "inlets";


"inlets" for both?  in French and Portuguese, they used "entrada"  
and "salida" (whatever those terms are in those languages, I  
forget), so maybe that's appropriate in Spanish too.


.hc


Not, excuse me:
$inlets = "inlets";
$outlets = "outlets";

I like more entrada (entry) , salida (exit), but in pd-microworld  
inlet and oulet are already memes.



$arguments = "argumentos";
$messages = "mensajes";

# infobox
$name = "nombre";
$description = "descripción";
$abbreviation = "abreviación";
$library = "librería";
$author = "autor";
$developer = "desarrollador";
$releaseVersion = "número de versión";
$releaseDate = "fecha de la versión";
$dependencies = "dependencias";
$license = "licencia";
$website = "página web";
$programmingLanguage = "lenguaje de programación";
$platform = "plataforma";
$operatingSystem = "sistema operativo";
$language = "ldioma";
$dataType = "Tipo de dato";
$distributions = "distribuciones";


Note: Inlets and oulets  could be transtaled like "entradas" and  
"salidas", but...  as the most anglicism pehaps is best don't  
translate






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Re: [PD] Turkish pdpedia templates

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Ok, I am running a test import now, check it out here:

http://wiki.puredata.info/test/boids/boids2d

It turns out that MediaWiki uses the word "Template" for Turkish  
rather than "Taslak".  You can make a #redirect page if you want,  
then use Taslak.

To see the infobox, you'll need to copy this:

http://wiki.puredata.info/en/index.php? 
title=Template:Infobox_Objectclass&action=edit

And paste it here, and translate it:

http://wiki.puredata.info/test/index.php? 
title=Template:Infobox_Nesne_S%C4%B1n%C4%B1f%C4%B1&action=edit

.hc


On Oct 15, 2007, at 1:02 AM, Batuhan Bozkurt wrote:

> This looks o.k.
> Status is: "Durum"
>
> Batuhan
>
> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> Any comments on this template?   There is one word which I forgot to
>> include, "status", like this: http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Status
>>
>> Other than that, is this one ready to go?  I am ready to do the  
>> import.
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2007, at 1:29 PM, Uğur Güney wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 10/2/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
 I just edited the script to handle the translations.  Here are the
 variables that need to be translated.  Please give them to me
 _exactly_ how they should appear, with caps, spaces, accents, etc.
 They'll go straight into the templates.  For things like how  
 case is
 used, I think we should follow wikipedia's standards.

>>> # These are for Turkish  / Türkçe translations
>>> -uğur-
>>>
>>> # wikipedia terms
>>> $stub = "Taslak";
>>> $template = "Şablon";
>>> $category = "Kategori";
>>> $infobox = "Bilgi Kutusu";
>>>
>>> # pdpedia terms
>>> $objectclass = "Nesne Sınıfı";
>>>
>>> # page headers
>>> $inlets = "Girişler";
>>> $outlets = "Çıkışlar";
>>> $arguments = "Argümanlar";
>>> $messages = "Mesajlar";
>>>
>>> # infobox
>>> $name = "İsim";
>>> $description = "Açıklama";
>>> $abbreviation = "Kısaltma";
>>> $library = "Kütüphane";
>>> $author = "Yazar";
>>> $developer = "Geliştirici";
>>> $releaseVersion = "Versiyon";
>>> $releaseDate = "Yayım Tarihi";
>>> $dependencies = "Bağımlılıklar";
>>> $license = "Lisans";
>>> $website = "Web Sitesi";
>>> $programmingLanguage = "Programlama Dili";
>>> $platform = "Platform";
>>> $operatingSystem = "İşletim Sistemi";
>>> $language = "Lisan";
>>> $dataType = "Veri Tipi";
>>> $distributions = "Dağıtımlar";
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [PD] Pd-extended final release candidate - please test!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Thanks for the report, please submit these to the bugtracker, each  
separately unless you think they are related bugs.  Add as much info  
about your setup as possible:

http://puredata.org/dev/bugtracker

.hc


On Oct 16, 2007, at 4:44 AM, Si Mills wrote:

> Hi
>
> I've noted a couple of bugs:
>
> * FFT seems to be broke on PPC. I just get nasty crackles. (Pb G4 /
> 10.4.10)
> * [blosc~] doesn't instantiate - You have to physically add a '~' to
> the external in the library to fix it.
> * [freeverb~] produces no sound
>
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Re: [PD] Pd-extended final release candidate - please test!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Can you file a bug report on the gutsy gibbon issue?  It should be  
solvable.

http://puredata.org/dev/bugtracker

.hc

On Oct 15, 2007, at 3:27 PM, olsen wolf wrote:

> Hi Hans
> as i'm surrounded by a kindof ubuntu farm atm i feeded it to ubuntu
> studio & kubuntu feisty & so far they've eaten it all without
> bleating. i also bottle-feeded it(the feisty release) to gutsy as he's
> in the back & he was complaining about missing libquicktime0 during
> the installation which is not due to my research not availiable for
> gutsy...
> salutis
> olsen
>
> On 10/13/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Please test this build lots!  If no one finds anything that needs
>> fixing, I am going to release this exact version:
>>
>> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-13/
>>
>> There are some known bugs, but they are big and will have to wait for
>> the next release.  Other than that, let's make sure there are no
>> other outstanding issues.
>>
>> .hc
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Re: [PD] many paths, how

[Steffen Juul]

On 16/10/2007, at 21.04, Claude Heiland-Allen wrote:

> You can separate paths with ":"

You may wanna check out Franks Tips'n'Tricks page which also explains  
the colon trick.



Or see the FAQ about editing the prefs file that Hans mentioned:



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Re: [PD] Pdpedia Español WAS: translations for pdp edia templates

[Vircy Parker]

(correction: inlets, outlets, language)


# wikipedia terms
my $stub = "esbozo";
my $template = "plantilla";
my $category = "categoría";
my $infobox = "infobox";
my $topLevel = "toplevel";  #

# pdpedia terms
my $objectclass = "Clase del objeto";

# page headers
my $inlets = "entradas";
my $outlets = "salidas";
my $arguments = "argumentos";
my $messages = "mensajes";

# infobox
my $name = "nombre";
my $description = "descripción";
my $abbreviation = "abreviación";
my $library = "librería";
my $author = "autor";
my $developer = "desarrollador";
my $releaseVersion = "versión";
my $releaseDate = "fecha de la versión";
my $dependencies = "dependencias";
my $license = "licencia";
my $website = "sitio web";
my $programmingLanguage = "lenguaje de programación";
my $platform = "plataforma";
my $operatingSystem = "sistema operativo";
my $language = "idioma";
my $dataType = "tipo de dato";
my $distributions = "distribución";
my $status = "estado";




hc, I'm not sure about language:

programing language, braille language --- in spanish---> lenguaje
english, french, inuit  language ---in spanish --> idioma  (idiom)
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Re: [PD] many paths, how

[Frank Barknecht]

Hallo,
Atte André Jensen hat gesagt: // Atte André Jensen wrote:

> My paths section in my preferences is full, and I need to ad another. 
> remember there was some discussion recently about how to add more, but I 
> can't seem to find it. Could anyone refresh my memory?

Hm, this gets asked (and answered) once every 1.5 weeks. What can we
do about it?

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Re: [PD] Pd-extended final release candidate - please test!

[olsen wolf]

jep i can approve this - the linkage of this nice feature goes to:
file:///http://pdpedia.org
salutis
olsen


On 10/16/07, Alexandre Castonguay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Hans,
>
> I get an error when trying the web links from help menu, it seems to add a
> slash before the address. Cool feature however. I'm running Kubuntu (feisty).
>
> 'Firefox ne peut trouver le fichier à l'adresse /http://puredata.org.'
>
> Cheers,
>
> a
>
>
>
> On Saturday 13 October 2007 17:03:23 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> > Please test this build lots!  If no one finds anything that needs
> > fixing, I am going to release this exact version:
> >
> > http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-13/
> >
> > There are some known bugs, but they are big and will have to wait for
> > the next release.  Other than that, let's make sure there are no
> > other outstanding issues.
> >
> > .hc
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Re: [PD] Pd-extended final release candidate - please test!

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Ok, fixed that.  It should work tomorrow.  :)

.hc

On Oct 15, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Alexandre Castonguay wrote:

> Hi Hans,
>
> I get an error when trying the web links from help menu, it seems  
> to add a
> slash before the address. Cool feature however. I'm running Kubuntu  
> (feisty).
>
> 'Firefox ne peut trouver le fichier à l'adresse /http://puredata.org.'
>
> Cheers,
>
> a
>
>
>
> On Saturday 13 October 2007 17:03:23 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>> Please test this build lots!  If no one finds anything that needs
>> fixing, I am going to release this exact version:
>>
>> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-13/
>>
>> There are some known bugs, but they are big and will have to wait for
>> the next release.  Other than that, let's make sure there are no
>> other outstanding issues.
>>
>> .hc
>>
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Re: [PD] Pdpedia mailing list (French)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

If you translate the template, I can do an import like I did for  
English, Portuguese, and Turkish.  Then you'll have template pages  
with categories for about 2000 objects already generated.

.hc

On Oct 16, 2007, at 4:27 AM, Jérôme Abel wrote:

>
> For Pdpedia project, maybe we need a different mailing list for  
> contributors. In
> french we have two :
>
> http://artsens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pdpedia
>
> http://ns.artengine.ca/mailman/listinfo/pdmtl
>
> First, we must discuss a bit about this tool for pdpedia french  
> team ...
>
> If there is no disagree, we have to choose between these 2 lists. I  
> think
> Montreal is already a group, so it's easier to maintain, but Jean- 
> Noël could
> tell us what he think.
>
> If we choose Montreal group, a special list is the best, no ?
>
> METHOD
> --
> To make a progressiv human work on Pdpedia, we could be agree about  
> a method.
> For exemple, we propose together a list of 20 objects to complete.  
> after a bit
> we look at these 20 objects and decide to make another list. And so  
> on ...
>
> We could start with Pd Vanilla objects.
>
> I saw Pdpedia english, they have already put the name of the objects
> http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:vanilla
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[PD] russian pdpedia

[danja vasiliev]

hi there,
taking on this ultimately nice initiative of pdpedia i'd like to talk
for the russian part of pd users. so far i know only few of them but im
sure they are out there being hit by the brownian motion of pd
particles. i can translate the main/english tread of pdpedia in to
russian and keep it updated, also would keep eye on some russian
specifics (if there are any...? utf..phhh).




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Re: [PD] many paths, how

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 16, 2007, at 6:08 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote:

> Hallo,
> Atte André Jensen hat gesagt: // Atte André Jensen wrote:
>
>> My paths section in my preferences is full, and I need to ad another.
>> remember there was some discussion recently about how to add more,  
>> but I
>> can't seem to find it. Could anyone refresh my memory?
>
> Hm, this gets asked (and answered) once every 1.5 weeks. What can we
> do about it?

Hmm... fix it!  Or... document it better...

The search on puredata.org works quite nicely, we should encourage  
people to use it.

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Re: [PD] Pdpedia mailing list (French)

[Olivier Heinry]

Le mardi 16 octobre 2007 à 10:27 +0200, Jérôme Abel a écrit :
> For Pdpedia project, maybe we need a different mailing list for contributors. 
> In
> french we have two :
> 
> http://artsens.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pdpedia


Since this one is already setup and dedicated to pdpedia, we should keep
it. I spoke to Jean-Noel this morning, he's OK

moderating such a list shoudlnt be too hard a job, mailman is easy once
you've got to know it , it can be shared as well (admins, moderators)

> METHOD
> --
> To make a progressiv human work on Pdpedia, we could be agree about a method.
> For exemple, we propose together a list of 20 objects to complete. after a bit
> we look at these 20 objects and decide to make another list. And so on ...
> We could start with Pd Vanilla objects.

which would leave enough time to the developers (those with a cvs
access) to update their documentation in English

we could then take over the process with the non-vanilla objects



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Re: [PD] translations for pdpedia templates (French)

[Olivier Heinry]

Hello les francophones



one single typo correction since Jerome Abel' latest proposal: 

$abbreviation: Abréviation

Should we go for this then?
Any major objection? 

Olivier

# wikipedia terms
$stub = "Ébauche";
$template = "Modèle";
$category = "Catégorie";
$infobox = "Infobox";

# pdpedia terms
$objectclass = "Classe d'objets";

# page headers
$inlets = "Entrées";
$outlets = "Sorties";
$arguments = "Arguments";
$messages = "Messages";

# infobox
$name = "Nom";
$description = "Description";
$abbreviation = "Abbréviation";
$library = "Bibliothèque";
$author = "Auteur";
$developer = "Développeur";
$releaseVersion = "Version";
$releaseDate = "Date";
$dependencies = "Dépendances";
$license = "Licence";
$website = "Site Web";
$programmingLanguage = "Langage de programmation";
$platform = "Plate-forme";
$operatingSystem = "Système d'exploitation";
$language = "Langue";
$dataType = "Type de données";
$distributions = "Distributions";

$status = "État";
$example image = "Image d'exemple";
$caption = "Légende";
$language = "Langue";
$helppatch name = "Nom du patch d'aide";
$cpu use index = "Utilisation du processeur";



Le vendredi 12 octobre 2007 à 16:11 +0200, Olivier Heinry a écrit :
> Le vendredi 12 octobre 2007 à 12:23 +0200, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit :
> > It seems fine for me,
> > 
> > except perhaps Library -> Bibliothèque.
> > I prefer the "Librairie" word, it seems more used in computing to me and 
> > keeps a strong correlation with the english word.
> > Wikipedia says we can use both:
> > http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblioth%C3%A8que_logicielle
> > ... it's a detail
> 
> To me , it's wrong, une librairie => a bookshop
> It's a "faux-ami" and should be recognized as such! Computer world has a
> tendency to laziness...
> Let's stick to "Bibliothèque"
> 
> 
> > Jérôme Abel a écrit :
> > > After some messages, the new french translation.
> > >
> > > Is it OK for everyone ?
> > >
> 
> > >
> 
> > > $infobox = "Infobox";
> 
> I dont like it, still we don't have anything better (as compact and
> accurate, "Boîte d'information" c'est relou)
> 
> > > $abbreviation = "Abbréviation";
> 
> un seul b : "Abréviation"
> 
> > > $library = "Bibliothèque";
> 
> :-)
> 
> > > $website = "Site Web";
> 
> pas mieux :-)
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Re: [PD] Pdpedia mailing list (French)

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


If you translate the template, I can do an import like I did for
English, Portuguese, and Turkish.  Then you'll have template pages
with categories for about 2000 objects already generated.


For translations I would recommend using this mailing-list:

  http://lists.artengine.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/patching-in-tongues

As this is already a mailing-list about translation in pd. For the moment, 
I think that it's better to have a mailing-list for all translations 
together.


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Re: [PD] Fwd: portuguese pdpedia template

[João Miguel Pais]

> Ok, the import is running now, congrats you have a Portuguese pdpedia  
> with about 2000 object templates!

great, I'll put googleadds on it and start earning something... or maybe  
not.


> http://wiki.puredata.info/pt/boids2d
>
> The import should be done in a hour...

seems to be working. I would suggest that as a default link redirections  
are made from abbreviations. for example, /.../.../f should go  
automatically to /.../.../float in all languages

I would also like if someone in the english version (the "official" one)  
would put one day to finish at least one object as good as possible, to  
serve as reference for others (including putting an image, etc.). in my  
experience, opening the doors and unleashing the users without a kind of  
direction to follow will sooner or later lead to waste of time/energy and  
disenchantement from the involved working persons.

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Re: [PD] pddplink

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 7, 2007, at 12:20 PM, marius schebella wrote:

> hey,
> I just found some undocumented features of pddplink.
> It seems to be possible to open any filetype with its default  
> application.
> pddplink file:///Users/marius/pd/image.jpg will use preview on mac to
> show the image.

This mechanism works completely differently on all platforms, so it  
would take some testing.  Mac OS X has the oh-so-handy, app-purpose  
"open" command...

> for pd applications this works with local names
> pddplink anotherpatch.pd
> why is the local path not working with other filetypes?

I think Kzrysztof coded it that way, thinking it would be web file  
types.  Wouldn't be too hard to change.

.hc

> see also http://www.pdpedia.org/en/pddplink
> marius.
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Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

A quick search of puredata.org turns up:

http://puredata.info/docs/developer/fileformat

There's lots of good stuff there! :D

.hc

On Oct 16, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Andy Farnell wrote:

>
>
> Through trial and error I've managed to reach what I thought was
> an understanding of Pd file format. However, on deeper analysis
> I keep discovering I'm wrong, in fact the Pd file structure and
> the syntax of the statements is not what I thought (which explains
> many previous programming errors).
>
> I think it's been asked before and received no satisfactory answer,
> so once again - Where is the complete file format and syntactic
> definitions of the Pd file documented (not by reading through the
> source of the parser)?
>
> Would someone care to go through and explain in a simple tutorial
> how Pd constructs its netlist and what are the meanings of the
> parameters to each of these statements
>
>
> #X msg 125 100 bang;
>
> An easy one, a message containing [bang( at coordinates 125 100,  
> right?
>
> #X obj 144 128 s $1-zero;
>
> And again, an object of class "send" at coords 144,128 with name $1- 
> zero.
>
> #X array $1-THREE 6485 float 0;
>
> Maybe an easy one, we create an array called $1-THREE of size
> 6485 of type float. And an array doesn't need coordinates because a  
> graph
> has the coordinates not the array. But what is that 0 at the end?
>
>
> #N canvas 0 22 450 300 graph1 0;
> #X restore 235 308 graph1;
>
> What is the real purpose of restore? What are these parameters? How  
> does
> it relate to the canvas?
>
> What the hell is coords? Why?
>
> #X coords 0 1.02 6484 -1.02 200 130 1;
>
>
> #X connect 60 0 62 0;
>
> Can anyone thoroughly explain connections and how their ordering
> is important? It's an ordered adjacency matrix?
>
> I think this would be very helpful for everyone to have
> properly documented somewhere.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy
>
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[PD] advise on making mjpeg, pdp and libquicktime happy

[danja vasiliev]

hello dear all,
pardon me for cross posting this but the issue seems to be somewhat
awkward - for the last several days i was trying to get [pdp_qt] take my
mjpeg video files but was miserably failing:

---
pdp_qt: video stream found (640x480 pixels, 6 fps, 897 frames, MJPG codec)
pdp_qt: WARNING: unsupported video codec
pdp_qt: ERROR: no usable video stream found.
---

i would probably have given up at this very point but got totally
abscessed when it worked in *pure:dyne* 2.3.66 ! there i can load my
mjpegs easily, codec is there everything is working (great job btw).
since then i tried to match all relative libs and bins in my ubunty
feisty with p:d, however it wouldn't solve the issue

i had compiled all the parts from most recent sources,
pdp-0.12.5 compiled against libquicktime-0.9.10:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/work/PD-parts/libquicktime-0.9.10$ ./configure --enable-gpl
--skip--
Configuration:
libdv:  Yes
vorbis: Yes
lame:   Yes
libjpeg:Yes
libpng: Yes
libavcodec: Yes
gtk >= 2.4.0: Yes
AlsaYes
GPL plugins Enabled
faacYes
faad2   Yes
x264Yes

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/work/PD-parts/pdp-0.12.5-test-7$ ./configure
--skip--
checking for lqt_decode_video in -lquicktime... yes
checking for glXSwapBuffers in -lGL... yes
checking for SDL_Init in -lSDL... yes
target is linux
used configure options:
  --enable-mmx=no
  --enable-quicktime=yes
  --enable-v4l=yes
  --enable-pwc=auto
  --enable-sdl=yes
  --enable-x=yes
  --enable-xv=yes
  --enable-glx=yes
  --enable-gsl=yes
  --enable-png=yes
  --enable-debug=no

also tried the current ubuntu packages of libquicktime and pd-extended
from http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/ with no result.
i have a clue that libquicktime is not making use of it's 'plugins' to
load non-qt files, but i can't trace the problem...
i really hate to convert my mjpegs in to .mov, please help me not to do it.


best,
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Re: [PD] Fwd: portuguese pdpedia template

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Oct 16, 2007, at 7:45 PM, João Miguel Pais wrote:

>> Ok, the import is running now, congrats you have a Portuguese  
>> pdpedia with about 2000 object templates!
>
> great, I'll put googleadds on it and start earning something... or  
> maybe not.

This is all free, no ads, just like wikipedia :D

>> http://wiki.puredata.info/pt/boids2d
>>
>> The import should be done in a hour...
>
> seems to be working. I would suggest that as a default link  
> redirections are made from abbreviations. for example, /.../.../f  
> should go automatically to /.../.../float in all languages

Good idea. If you want to make a list of those, I'll do the import.

> I would also like if someone in the english version (the "official"  
> one) would put one day to finish at least one object as good as  
> possible, to serve as reference for others (including putting an  
> image, etc.). in my experience, opening the doors and unleashing  
> the users without a kind of direction to follow will sooner or  
> later lead to waste of time/energy and disenchantement from the  
> involved working persons.

I wouldn't call the English one the official one, I hope they'll all  
be official.  We are all figuring out how to do this.  We don't have  
a "complete" one yet, but I know that Marius is working on getting  
things running smoothly.  Nicolas has put some good work into this one:

http://pdpedia.org/en/msd

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Re: [PD] russian pdpedia

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Awesome, another Pdpedia language!  I just created the Русский  
site.  Create an account, then email me what it is, and I'll make you  
admin.  There is some info here on setting things up:

http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Wiki_administrator_how-to

Then add/correct the translations in these boxes, then I can import  
the 2000ish templates for all of the Pd objects into the Russian  
Pdpedia.

# wikipedia terms (these should come straight from Wikipedia)
my $stub = "Заготовка";
my $template = "Шаблон";
my $category = "";
my $infobox = "";

# pdpedia terms
my $objectclass = "";

# page headers
my $inlets = "";
my $outlets = "";
my $arguments = "";
my $messages = "";

# infobox
my $name = "";
my $description = "";
my $abbreviation = "";
my $library = "";
my $author = "";
my $developer = "";
my $releaseVersion = "";
my $releaseDate = "";
my $dependencies = "";
my $license = "";
my $website = "";
my $programmingLanguage = "";
my $platform = "";
my $operatingSystem = "";
my $language = "";
my $dataType = "";
my $distributions = "";
my $status = "";

.hc

On Oct 16, 2007, at 6:32 PM, danja vasiliev wrote:

> hi there,
> taking on this ultimately nice initiative of pdpedia i'd like to talk
> for the russian part of pd users. so far i know only few of them  
> but im
> sure they are out there being hit by the brownian motion of pd
> particles. i can translate the main/english tread of pdpedia in to
> russian and keep it updated, also would keep eye on some russian
> specifics (if there are any...? utf..phhh).
>
>
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Re: [PD] translations for pdpedia templates (French)

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I think you've been infected by English! ;)  My online translator says

abbreviation = abréviation

.hc

On Oct 16, 2007, at 7:44 PM, Olivier Heinry wrote:

> Hello les francophones
>
>
>
> one single typo correction since Jerome Abel' latest proposal:
>
>   $abbreviation: Abréviation
>
> Should we go for this then?
> Any major objection?
>
> Olivier
>
> # wikipedia terms
> $stub = "Ébauche";
> $template = "Modèle";
> $category = "Catégorie";
> $infobox = "Infobox";
>
> # pdpedia terms
> $objectclass = "Classe d'objets";
>
> # page headers
> $inlets = "Entrées";
> $outlets = "Sorties";
> $arguments = "Arguments";
> $messages = "Messages";
>
> # infobox
> $name = "Nom";
> $description = "Description";
> $abbreviation = "Abbréviation";
> $library = "Bibliothèque";
> $author = "Auteur";
> $developer = "Développeur";
> $releaseVersion = "Version";
> $releaseDate = "Date";
> $dependencies = "Dépendances";
> $license = "Licence";
> $website = "Site Web";
> $programmingLanguage = "Langage de programmation";
> $platform = "Plate-forme";
> $operatingSystem = "Système d'exploitation";
> $language = "Langue";
> $dataType = "Type de données";
> $distributions = "Distributions";
>
> $status = "État";
> $example image = "Image d'exemple";
> $caption = "Légende";
> $language = "Langue";
> $helppatch name = "Nom du patch d'aide";
> $cpu use index = "Utilisation du processeur";
>
>
>
> Le vendredi 12 octobre 2007 à 16:11 +0200, Olivier Heinry a écrit :
>> Le vendredi 12 octobre 2007 à 12:23 +0200, Nicolas Montgermont a  
>> écrit :
>>> It seems fine for me,
>>>
>>> except perhaps Library -> Bibliothèque.
>>> I prefer the "Librairie" word, it seems more used in computing to  
>>> me and
>>> keeps a strong correlation with the english word.
>>> Wikipedia says we can use both:
>>> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblioth%C3%A8que_logicielle
>>> ... it's a detail
>>
>> To me , it's wrong, une librairie => a bookshop
>> It's a "faux-ami" and should be recognized as such! Computer world  
>> has a
>> tendency to laziness...
>> Let's stick to "Bibliothèque"
>>
>>
>>> Jérôme Abel a écrit :
 After some messages, the new french translation.

 Is it OK for everyone ?

>>

>>
 $infobox = "Infobox";
>>
>> I dont like it, still we don't have anything better (as compact and
>> accurate, "Boîte d'information" c'est relou)
>>
 $abbreviation = "Abbréviation";
>>
>> un seul b : "Abréviation"
>>
 $library = "Bibliothèque";
>>
>> :-)
>>
 $website = "Site Web";
>>
>> pas mieux :-)
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Re: [PD] advise on making mjpeg, pdp and libquicktime happy

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Which version of GNU/Linux are you running?  Your quicktime plugins  
might be in a different place than Pd-extended expects.  You can set  
it using the LIBQUICKTIME_PLUGIN_DIR env var, so something like:

export LIBQUICKTIME_PLUGIN_DIR=/path/to/your/libquicktime/plugins

.hc


On Oct 16, 2007, at 8:35 PM, danja vasiliev wrote:

> hello dear all,
> pardon me for cross posting this but the issue seems to be somewhat
> awkward - for the last several days i was trying to get [pdp_qt]  
> take my
> mjpeg video files but was miserably failing:
>
> ---
> pdp_qt: video stream found (640x480 pixels, 6 fps, 897 frames, MJPG  
> codec)
> pdp_qt: WARNING: unsupported video codec
> pdp_qt: ERROR: no usable video stream found.
> ---
>
> i would probably have given up at this very point but got totally
> abscessed when it worked in *pure:dyne* 2.3.66 ! there i can load my
> mjpegs easily, codec is there everything is working (great job btw).
> since then i tried to match all relative libs and bins in my ubunty
> feisty with p:d, however it wouldn't solve the issue
>
> i had compiled all the parts from most recent sources,
> pdp-0.12.5 compiled against libquicktime-0.9.10:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/work/PD-parts/libquicktime-0.9.10$ ./configure --enable- 
> gpl
> --skip--
> Configuration:
> libdv:  Yes
> vorbis: Yes
> lame:   Yes
> libjpeg:Yes
> libpng: Yes
> libavcodec: Yes
> gtk >= 2.4.0: Yes
> AlsaYes
> GPL plugins Enabled
> faacYes
> faad2   Yes
> x264Yes
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/work/PD-parts/pdp-0.12.5-test-7$ ./configure
> --skip--
> checking for lqt_decode_video in -lquicktime... yes
> checking for glXSwapBuffers in -lGL... yes
> checking for SDL_Init in -lSDL... yes
> target is linux
> used configure options:
>   --enable-mmx=no
>   --enable-quicktime=yes
>   --enable-v4l=yes
>   --enable-pwc=auto
>   --enable-sdl=yes
>   --enable-x=yes
>   --enable-xv=yes
>   --enable-glx=yes
>   --enable-gsl=yes
>   --enable-png=yes
>   --enable-debug=no
>
> also tried the current ubuntu packages of libquicktime and pd-extended
> from http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/ with no result.
> i have a clue that libquicktime is not making use of it's 'plugins' to
> load non-qt files, but i can't trace the problem...
> i really hate to convert my mjpegs in to .mov, please help me not  
> to do it.
>
>
> best,
> danja
>
>
>
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Re: [PD] advise on making mjpeg, pdp and libquicktime happy

[danja vasiliev]

im running ubuntu feisty 7.04, libquicktime plugins are in standard
location:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
4.0

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls /usr/local/lib/libquicktime/
lqt_audiocodec.la  lqt_faac.la   lqt_ffmpeg.la  lqt_mjpeg.la
lqt_png.la lqt_videocodec.la
lqt_audiocodec.so  lqt_faac.so   lqt_ffmpeg.so  lqt_mjpeg.so
lqt_png.so lqt_videocodec.so
lqt_dv.la  lqt_faad2.la  lqt_lame.lalqt_opendivx.la
lqt_rtjpeg.la  lqt_vorbis.la
lqt_dv.so  lqt_faad2.so  lqt_lame.solqt_opendivx.so
lqt_rtjpeg.so  lqt_vorbis.so

so i just did this and noting has changed...

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ export LIBQUICKTIME_PLUGIN_DIR=/usr/local/lib/libquicktime
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ pd
tk scaling is 1.22249724972
quicktime_delete_vcodec_stub called

the last line is what PD spits out when i try opening my mjpeg.
mjpeg i make using MEncoder 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu9.1
like this:
for i in $( ls ); do mencoder mf://$i/*.jpg -mf fps=6 -o $i.avi -ovc
lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mjpeg; done

where else to look?

danja


Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> 
> Which version of GNU/Linux are you running?  Your quicktime plugins
> might be in a different place than Pd-extended expects.  You can set it
> using the LIBQUICKTIME_PLUGIN_DIR env var, so something like:
> 
> export LIBQUICKTIME_PLUGIN_DIR=/path/to/your/libquicktime/plugins
> 
> .hc
> 
> 
> On Oct 16, 2007, at 8:35 PM, danja vasiliev wrote:
> 
>> hello dear all,
>> pardon me for cross posting this but the issue seems to be somewhat
>> awkward - for the last several days i was trying to get [pdp_qt] take my
>> mjpeg video files but was miserably failing:
>>
>> ---
>> pdp_qt: video stream found (640x480 pixels, 6 fps, 897 frames, MJPG
>> codec)
>> pdp_qt: WARNING: unsupported video codec
>> pdp_qt: ERROR: no usable video stream found.
>> ---



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Re: [PD] advise on making mjpeg, pdp and libquicktime happy

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I am curious why you are compiling libquicktime yourself?  If you use  
the .deb package, it should install everything you need, including  
libquicktime:

http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-16/Pd-0.39.3- 
extended-ubuntu-feisty-i386.deb

Its working well for me on my Ubuntu Feisty box.

.hc

On Oct 16, 2007, at 9:06 PM, danja vasiliev wrote:

> im running ubuntu feisty 7.04, libquicktime plugins are in standard
> location:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
> 4.0
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls /usr/local/lib/libquicktime/
> lqt_audiocodec.la  lqt_faac.la   lqt_ffmpeg.la  lqt_mjpeg.la
> lqt_png.la lqt_videocodec.la
> lqt_audiocodec.so  lqt_faac.so   lqt_ffmpeg.so  lqt_mjpeg.so
> lqt_png.so lqt_videocodec.so
> lqt_dv.la  lqt_faad2.la  lqt_lame.lalqt_opendivx.la
> lqt_rtjpeg.la  lqt_vorbis.la
> lqt_dv.so  lqt_faad2.so  lqt_lame.solqt_opendivx.so
> lqt_rtjpeg.so  lqt_vorbis.so
>
> so i just did this and noting has changed...
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ export LIBQUICKTIME_PLUGIN_DIR=/usr/local/lib/ 
> libquicktime
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ pd
> tk scaling is 1.22249724972
> quicktime_delete_vcodec_stub called
>
> the last line is what PD spits out when i try opening my mjpeg.
> mjpeg i make using MEncoder 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu9.1
> like this:
> for i in $( ls ); do mencoder mf://$i/*.jpg -mf fps=6 -o $i.avi -ovc
> lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mjpeg; done
>
> where else to look?
>
> danja
>
>
> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>
>> Which version of GNU/Linux are you running?  Your quicktime plugins
>> might be in a different place than Pd-extended expects.  You can  
>> set it
>> using the LIBQUICKTIME_PLUGIN_DIR env var, so something like:
>>
>> export LIBQUICKTIME_PLUGIN_DIR=/path/to/your/libquicktime/plugins
>>
>> .hc
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2007, at 8:35 PM, danja vasiliev wrote:
>>
>>> hello dear all,
>>> pardon me for cross posting this but the issue seems to be somewhat
>>> awkward - for the last several days i was trying to get [pdp_qt]  
>>> take my
>>> mjpeg video files but was miserably failing:
>>>
>>> ---
>>> pdp_qt: video stream found (640x480 pixels, 6 fps, 897 frames, MJPG
>>> codec)
>>> pdp_qt: WARNING: unsupported video codec
>>> pdp_qt: ERROR: no usable video stream found.
>>> ---
>
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Re: [PD] advise on making mjpeg, pdp and libquicktime happy

[danja vasiliev]

well, as i said i create those mjpeg avis using mencoder and i can play
them using mplayer too - so i'd assume the chain libavcodec-mencoder is
doing fine...

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ find /usr/lib | grep libavcodec
/usr/lib/pkgconfig/libavcodec.pc
/usr/lib/libavcodec.a
/usr/lib/libavcodec.so.0d
/usr/lib/libavcodec.so.0d.51.11.0
/usr/lib/libavcodec.so

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libavcodec.pc
prefix=/usr
exec_prefix=${prefix}
libdir=${exec_prefix}/lib
includedir=${prefix}/include

Name: libavcodec
Description: FFmpeg codec library
Version: 0d.51.11.0
Requires:  vorbis vorbisenc ogg >= 1.1 libraw1394 libavutil = 0d.49.0.0
Conflicts:
Libs: -L${libdir} -lavcodec -lm -lz -la52 -ldts -lgsm -lmp3lame -lvorbis
-lvorbisenc -logg -logg -lxvidcore -lx264_pic -ldc1394_control -lraw1394
-lfaac -lfaad -ldl
Cflags: -I${includedir} -I${includedir}/ffmpeg


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shift8 wrote:
> looks like mjpeg in this case is provided by libavcodec that is then
> used by mencoder - make sure that chain is working right would be my
> recommendation
> 
> Wed, 2007-10-17 at 03:06 +0200, danja vasiliev wrote:
>> im running ubuntu feisty 7.04, libquicktime plugins are in standard
>> location:
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
>> 4.0
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls /usr/local/lib/libquicktime/
>> lqt_audiocodec.la  lqt_faac.la   lqt_ffmpeg.la  lqt_mjpeg.la
>> lqt_png.la lqt_videocodec.la
>> lqt_audiocodec.so  lqt_faac.so   lqt_ffmpeg.so  lqt_mjpeg.so
>> lqt_png.so lqt_videocodec.so
>> lqt_dv.la  lqt_faad2.la  lqt_lame.lalqt_opendivx.la
>> lqt_rtjpeg.la  lqt_vorbis.la
>> lqt_dv.so  lqt_faad2.so  lqt_lame.solqt_opendivx.so
>> lqt_rtjpeg.so  lqt_vorbis.so
>>
>> so i just did this and noting has changed...
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ export 
>> LIBQUICKTIME_PLUGIN_DIR=/usr/local/lib/libquicktime
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ pd
>> tk scaling is 1.22249724972
>> quicktime_delete_vcodec_stub called
>>
>> the last line is what PD spits out when i try opening my mjpeg.
>> mjpeg i make using MEncoder 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu9.1
>> like this:
>> for i in $( ls ); do mencoder mf://$i/*.jpg -mf fps=6 -o $i.avi -ovc
>> lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mjpeg; done

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Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files

[Roman Haefeli]

On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 15:28 +0200, Patrice Colet wrote:
> Patrice Colet a écrit :
> > Steffen Juul a écrit :
> >>
> >> On 16/10/2007, at 12.40, Patrice Colet wrote:
> >>
>  I think this would be very helpful for everyone to have
>  properly documented somewhere.
> >>>
> >>>  A dynamic patching tutorial would be appreciated as well.
> >>
> >> There is something in CVSROOT/doc/additional/pd-msg/
> > 
> >  That's nice, but it doesn't work, nothing is happening when we click on 
> > a message, in those documentation patches the send object and the patch 
> > haven't got the same name, for having this working we have to edit the 
> > send object.
> > 
> Why the hell do you want to deprecate namecanvas?!

i think, there is a consent in the pd-community, that [namecanvas]
shouldn't be considered to be deprecated. you'll find a lot of post in
the archive about this. i believe, it is just a matter of miller
removing that sentence from the help-file.

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Re: [PD] advise on making mjpeg, pdp and libquicktime happy

[danja vasiliev]

i compiled libquicktime myself just to make sure the issue is not in the
.deb version of it, however there was no change. now i'm back to
everything from ubuntu repos but result is just the same...
i was using
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/Pd-0.40.3-extended-20071016-ubuntu-feisty-i386.deb

just reinstalled with
http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-16/Pd-0.39.3-extended-ubuntu-feisty-i386.deb

and get the same
pdp_qt: WARNING: unsupported video codec

three feisty boxes i have around having same symptoms. i will try clean
ubuntu install just to eliminate any other noise...

thanks,
danja

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> 
> I am curious why you are compiling libquicktime yourself?  If you use
> the .deb package, it should install everything you need, including
> libquicktime:
> 
> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-16/Pd-0.39.3-extended-ubuntu-feisty-i386.deb
> 
> 
> Its working well for me on my Ubuntu Feisty box.
> 
> .hc
> 
> On Oct 16, 2007, at 9:06 PM, danja vasiliev wrote:
> 
>> im running ubuntu feisty 7.04, libquicktime plugins are in standard
>> location:
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
>> 4.0
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls /usr/local/lib/libquicktime/
>> lqt_audiocodec.la  lqt_faac.la   lqt_ffmpeg.la  lqt_mjpeg.la
>> lqt_png.la lqt_videocodec.la
>> lqt_audiocodec.so  lqt_faac.so   lqt_ffmpeg.so  lqt_mjpeg.so
>> lqt_png.so lqt_videocodec.so
>> lqt_dv.la  lqt_faad2.la  lqt_lame.lalqt_opendivx.la
>> lqt_rtjpeg.la  lqt_vorbis.la
>> lqt_dv.so  lqt_faad2.so  lqt_lame.solqt_opendivx.so
>> lqt_rtjpeg.so  lqt_vorbis.so
>>
>> so i just did this and noting has changed...
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ export 
>> LIBQUICKTIME_PLUGIN_DIR=/usr/local/lib/libquicktime
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ pd
>> tk scaling is 1.22249724972
>> quicktime_delete_vcodec_stub called
>>
>> the last line is what PD spits out when i try opening my mjpeg.
>> mjpeg i make using MEncoder 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu9.1
>> like this:
>> for i in $( ls ); do mencoder mf://$i/*.jpg -mf fps=6 -o $i.avi -ovc
>> lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mjpeg; done
>>
>> where else to look?
>>
>> danja
>>
>>
>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>
>>> Which version of GNU/Linux are you running?  Your quicktime plugins
>>> might be in a different place than Pd-extended expects.  You can set it
>>> using the LIBQUICKTIME_PLUGIN_DIR env var, so something like:
>>>
>>> export LIBQUICKTIME_PLUGIN_DIR=/path/to/your/libquicktime/plugins
>>>
>>> .hc
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2007, at 8:35 PM, danja vasiliev wrote:
>>>
>>>> hello dear all,
>>>> pardon me for cross posting this but the issue seems to be somewhat
>>>> awkward - for the last several days i was trying to get [pdp_qt]
>>>> take my
>>>> mjpeg video files but was miserably failing:
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> pdp_qt: video stream found (640x480 pixels, 6 fps, 897 frames, MJPG
>>>> codec)
>>>> pdp_qt: WARNING: unsupported video codec
>>>> pdp_qt: ERROR: no usable video stream found.
>>>> ---


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Re: [PD] advise on making mjpeg, pdp and libquicktime happy

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Try the included MJPEG movie and see if that works, it's in /usr/ 
local/lib/pd/doc/media/midr-mjpeg.mov.

IIRC, libquicktime doesn't like all kinds of MJPEG, only certain kinds.

.hc

On Oct 16, 2007, at 9:41 PM, danja vasiliev wrote:

> i compiled libquicktime myself just to make sure the issue is not  
> in the
> .deb version of it, however there was no change. now i'm back to
> everything from ubuntu repos but result is just the same...
> i was using
> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/Pd-0.40.3- 
> extended-20071016-ubuntu-feisty-i386.deb
>
> just reinstalled with
> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-16/Pd-0.39.3- 
> extended-ubuntu-feisty-i386.deb
>
> and get the same
> pdp_qt: WARNING: unsupported video codec
>
> three feisty boxes i have around having same symptoms. i will try  
> clean
> ubuntu install just to eliminate any other noise...
>
> thanks,
> danja
>
> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>
>> I am curious why you are compiling libquicktime yourself?  If you use
>> the .deb package, it should install everything you need, including
>> libquicktime:
>>
>> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-16/Pd-0.39.3- 
>> extended-ubuntu-feisty-i386.deb
>>
>>
>> Its working well for me on my Ubuntu Feisty box.
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2007, at 9:06 PM, danja vasiliev wrote:
>>
>>> im running ubuntu feisty 7.04, libquicktime plugins are in standard
>>> location:
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
>>> 4.0
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls /usr/local/lib/libquicktime/
>>> lqt_audiocodec.la  lqt_faac.la   lqt_ffmpeg.la  lqt_mjpeg.la
>>> lqt_png.la lqt_videocodec.la
>>> lqt_audiocodec.so  lqt_faac.so   lqt_ffmpeg.so  lqt_mjpeg.so
>>> lqt_png.so lqt_videocodec.so
>>> lqt_dv.la  lqt_faad2.la  lqt_lame.lalqt_opendivx.la
>>> lqt_rtjpeg.la  lqt_vorbis.la
>>> lqt_dv.so  lqt_faad2.so  lqt_lame.solqt_opendivx.so
>>> lqt_rtjpeg.so  lqt_vorbis.so
>>>
>>> so i just did this and noting has changed...
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ export LIBQUICKTIME_PLUGIN_DIR=/usr/local/lib/ 
>>> libquicktime
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ pd
>>> tk scaling is 1.22249724972
>>> quicktime_delete_vcodec_stub called
>>>
>>> the last line is what PD spits out when i try opening my mjpeg.
>>> mjpeg i make using MEncoder 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu9.1
>>> like this:
>>> for i in $( ls ); do mencoder mf://$i/*.jpg -mf fps=6 -o $i.avi -ovc
>>> lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mjpeg; done
>>>
>>> where else to look?
>>>
>>> danja
>>>
>>>
>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Which version of GNU/Linux are you running?  Your quicktime plugins
>>>> might be in a different place than Pd-extended expects.  You can  
>>>> set it
>>>> using the LIBQUICKTIME_PLUGIN_DIR env var, so something like:
>>>>
>>>> export LIBQUICKTIME_PLUGIN_DIR=/path/to/your/libquicktime/plugins
>>>>
>>>> .hc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 16, 2007, at 8:35 PM, danja vasiliev wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> hello dear all,
>>>>> pardon me for cross posting this but the issue seems to be  
>>>>> somewhat
>>>>> awkward - for the last several days i was trying to get [pdp_qt]
>>>>> take my
>>>>> mjpeg video files but was miserably failing:
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> pdp_qt: video stream found (640x480 pixels, 6 fps, 897 frames,  
>>>>> MJPG
>>>>> codec)
>>>>> pdp_qt: WARNING: unsupported video codec
>>>>> pdp_qt: ERROR: no usable video stream found.
>>>>> ---
>
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Re: [PD] Pdpedia Español WAS: translations for pdp edia templates

[Jaime Oliver]

I would only change

>  my $distributions = "distribución"

to "distribuciones"

small thing, hope it helps
best,
j

>
> hc, I'm not sure about language:
>
> programing language, braille language --- in spanish---> lenguaje
> english, french, inuit  language ---in spanish --> idioma  (idiom)
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[PD] Command to Close Serveral Abstraction

[gilberto bernardes]

Dear all,
 
I would like to have a procedure in a patch that I'm not figuring out how to do it. I want to close several abstraction when I close one of them. I was trying to find an object similar to 'openpatch' or even a mesage such as'; pd open ...' but to close. Does someone knows if and how its possible to do it?
 
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Re: [PD] translations for pdpedia templates (French)

[Alexandre Castonguay]

Hi all,

I think that was the suggestion. The double 'bb' for that word is in the first 
list.  I like the translations but don't know about 'infobox'...'boite 
d'infos' ou simplement 'infos'?

A bientot,

Alexandre

On Tuesday 16 October 2007 20:36:54 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> I think you've been infected by English! ;)  My online translator says
>
> abbreviation = abréviation
>
> .hc
>
> On Oct 16, 2007, at 7:44 PM, Olivier Heinry wrote:
> > Hello les francophones
> >
> >
> >
> > one single typo correction since Jerome Abel' latest proposal:
> >
> > $abbreviation: Abréviation
> >
> > Should we go for this then?
> > Any major objection?
> >
> > Olivier
> >
> > # wikipedia terms
> > $stub = "Ébauche";
> > $template = "Modèle";
> > $category = "Catégorie";
> > $infobox = "Infobox";
> >
> > # pdpedia terms
> > $objectclass = "Classe d'objets";
> >
> > # page headers
> > $inlets = "Entrées";
> > $outlets = "Sorties";
> > $arguments = "Arguments";
> > $messages = "Messages";
> >
> > # infobox
> > $name = "Nom";
> > $description = "Description";
> > $abbreviation = "Abbréviation";
> > $library = "Bibliothèque";
> > $author = "Auteur";
> > $developer = "Développeur";
> > $releaseVersion = "Version";
> > $releaseDate = "Date";
> > $dependencies = "Dépendances";
> > $license = "Licence";
> > $website = "Site Web";
> > $programmingLanguage = "Langage de programmation";
> > $platform = "Plate-forme";
> > $operatingSystem = "Système d'exploitation";
> > $language = "Langue";
> > $dataType = "Type de données";
> > $distributions = "Distributions";
> >
> > $status = "État";
> > $example image = "Image d'exemple";
> > $caption = "Légende";
> > $language = "Langue";
> > $helppatch name = "Nom du patch d'aide";
> > $cpu use index = "Utilisation du processeur";
> >
> > Le vendredi 12 octobre 2007 à 16:11 +0200, Olivier Heinry a écrit :
> >> Le vendredi 12 octobre 2007 à 12:23 +0200, Nicolas Montgermont a
> >>
> >> écrit :
> >>> It seems fine for me,
> >>>
> >>> except perhaps Library -> Bibliothèque.
> >>> I prefer the "Librairie" word, it seems more used in computing to
> >>> me and
> >>> keeps a strong correlation with the english word.
> >>> Wikipedia says we can use both:
> >>> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblioth%C3%A8que_logicielle
> >>> ... it's a detail
> >>
> >> To me , it's wrong, une librairie => a bookshop
> >> It's a "faux-ami" and should be recognized as such! Computer world
> >> has a
> >> tendency to laziness...
> >> Let's stick to "Bibliothèque"
> >>
> >>> Jérôme Abel a écrit :
>  After some messages, the new french translation.
> 
>  Is it OK for everyone ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  $infobox = "Infobox";
> >>
> >> I dont like it, still we don't have anything better (as compact and
> >> accurate, "Boîte d'information" c'est relou)
> >>
>  $abbreviation = "Abbréviation";
> >>
> >> un seul b : "Abréviation"
> >>
>  $library = "Bibliothèque";
> 
> >> :-)
> >> :
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> >>
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Re: [PD] advise on making mjpeg, pdp and libquicktime happy

[shift8]

looks like mjpeg in this case is provided by libavcodec that is then
used by mencoder - make sure that chain is working right would be my
recommendation

Wed, 2007-10-17 at 03:06 +0200, danja vasiliev wrote:
> im running ubuntu feisty 7.04, libquicktime plugins are in standard
> location:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
> 4.0
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls /usr/local/lib/libquicktime/
> lqt_audiocodec.la  lqt_faac.la   lqt_ffmpeg.la  lqt_mjpeg.la
> lqt_png.la lqt_videocodec.la
> lqt_audiocodec.so  lqt_faac.so   lqt_ffmpeg.so  lqt_mjpeg.so
> lqt_png.so lqt_videocodec.so
> lqt_dv.la  lqt_faad2.la  lqt_lame.lalqt_opendivx.la
> lqt_rtjpeg.la  lqt_vorbis.la
> lqt_dv.so  lqt_faad2.so  lqt_lame.solqt_opendivx.so
> lqt_rtjpeg.so  lqt_vorbis.so
> 
> so i just did this and noting has changed...
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ export 
> LIBQUICKTIME_PLUGIN_DIR=/usr/local/lib/libquicktime
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ pd
> tk scaling is 1.22249724972
> quicktime_delete_vcodec_stub called
> 
> the last line is what PD spits out when i try opening my mjpeg.
> mjpeg i make using MEncoder 2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu9.1
> like this:
> for i in $( ls ); do mencoder mf://$i/*.jpg -mf fps=6 -o $i.avi -ovc
> lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mjpeg; done
> 
> where else to look?
> 
> danja
> 
> 
> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> > 
> > Which version of GNU/Linux are you running?  Your quicktime plugins
> > might be in a different place than Pd-extended expects.  You can set it
> > using the LIBQUICKTIME_PLUGIN_DIR env var, so something like:
> > 
> > export LIBQUICKTIME_PLUGIN_DIR=/path/to/your/libquicktime/plugins
> > 
> > .hc
> > 
> > 
> > On Oct 16, 2007, at 8:35 PM, danja vasiliev wrote:
> > 
> >> hello dear all,
> >> pardon me for cross posting this but the issue seems to be somewhat
> >> awkward - for the last several days i was trying to get [pdp_qt] take my
> >> mjpeg video files but was miserably failing:
> >>
> >> ---
> >> pdp_qt: video stream found (640x480 pixels, 6 fps, 897 frames, MJPG
> >> codec)
> >> pdp_qt: WARNING: unsupported video codec
> >> pdp_qt: ERROR: no usable video stream found.
> >> ---
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] advise on making mjpeg, pdp and libquicktime happy

[danja vasiliev]

that worked, always worked actually... (sorry didn't mentioned it)
my problem is that the files i have can be loaded too, in pure:dyne.
pdp run out is this:
---
pdp_qt: video stream found (640x480 pixels, 6 fps, 987 frames, MJPG codec)
pdp_qt using colormodel YUV420P
---

i'm lost,
i want the same in my ubuntu 8-]

danja

Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> 
> Try the included MJPEG movie and see if that works, it's in
> /usr/local/lib/pd/doc/media/midr-mjpeg.mov.
> 
> IIRC, libquicktime doesn't like all kinds of MJPEG, only certain kinds.


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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

[Roman Haefeli]

hey ho

let me switch in again. it was not my intention to stop a thread in a
dictatorship way. i just noticed, that the discussion meandered through
very different subject-matters, that weren't related anymore at all to
the original topic 'sexism', and it seems, that it wasn't coming to a
point. since this is still a list about pd, i proposed in a not so
serious way to bury that thread, since a real discussion obviously
couldn't be established.

On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 19:38 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > yves,
> > I haven't noticed anything offensive on the list like you describe (maybe
> > you're mixing life on the streets with life on the pd-list? :))
> 
> hi David and all,
> I don't know if you didn't follow some threads but here are some examples
> of greasy jokes:

yo, i am glad, that you bring some realworld cases up. i think, this
could be a basis for a real discussion. 

> From: João Miguel Pais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, October 9, 2007 1:29 pm
> 
> - do you know how many feminists are necessary to change a lightbulb? 2:
> One to change the lightbulb, and one to s**k my c**k.
> [I think all users are old enough to read this, and at least it's a
> humorous tone, not purely offensive like some mails in the last weeks]

i don't know, how obvious this was, but i am pretty sure, that in the
first place it wasn't jmmmp's intention to make bad jokes, that insult
feminists. i would rather say, that he, as probably some others, felt,
that this discussion was going to nowhere and probably wanted to
provocate a discussion by bringing up the most stupid macho joke (or
whatever this should be called) he could think of. obviously he
succeeded. i wouldn't count that as an example of chauvinism in the
list, since it seems, that it was triggered by the topic 'sexism' in
order to question the ongoing discussion.

accusing him of chauvinism would be too simple in that case, though i do
not approve sending such sentences to a public mailing list, regardless
of the intention. 

> I really didn't want to post another OT but to be blind about the facts is
> just a bit too much for me to keep silent.

i think, the whole community would agree, that whatever is troubling
someone in a serious manner, it should be brought up here. 

roman
 




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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

[.·:*¨¨*:·.darsha.·:*¨¨*:·.]

Hi people

If this thread has to continue please feel free to substitute the word
'girls' for 'women' or 'sisters' even.  I am not sure what the count is but
I can imagine that there are very few actual girls on this list (that would
be pretty cool though...bunch of lurking little girls, hi, hi).

I am in my mid twenties and I don't really like being called 'girl'.  A girl
is a female child...  The other women on this list may not agree with this
or they may not even care about it one single bit or they may even be
annoyed that I am bringing it up (if this is the case then sorry ladies)...


My little sister who is 15 (and fond of gem) is someone who I consider a
girl or maybe even a young ladyIf there were more like her on this list
then maybe girl would be the right term...To be honest though, I wouldn't
recommend that she join this list at this point in her life...This thread
makes my skin crawl.

xo

Darsh

On 10/16/07, Roman Haefeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> hey ho
>
> let me switch in again. it was not my intention to stop a thread in a
> dictatorship way. i just noticed, that the discussion meandered through
> very different subject-matters, that weren't related anymore at all to
> the original topic 'sexism', and it seems, that it wasn't coming to a
> point. since this is still a list about pd, i proposed in a not so
> serious way to bury that thread, since a real discussion obviously
> couldn't be established.
>
> On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 19:38 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > yves,
> > > I haven't noticed anything offensive on the list like you describe
> (maybe
> > > you're mixing life on the streets with life on the pd-list? :))
> >
> > hi David and all,
> > I don't know if you didn't follow some threads but here are some
> examples
> > of greasy jokes:
>
> yo, i am glad, that you bring some realworld cases up. i think, this
> could be a basis for a real discussion.
>
> > From: João Miguel Pais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Tue, October 9, 2007 1:29 pm
> >
> > - do you know how many feminists are necessary to change a lightbulb? 2:
> > One to change the lightbulb, and one to s**k my c**k.
> > [I think all users are old enough to read this, and at least it's a
> > humorous tone, not purely offensive like some mails in the last weeks]
>
> i don't know, how obvious this was, but i am pretty sure, that in the
> first place it wasn't jmmmp's intention to make bad jokes, that insult
> feminists. i would rather say, that he, as probably some others, felt,
> that this discussion was going to nowhere and probably wanted to
> provocate a discussion by bringing up the most stupid macho joke (or
> whatever this should be called) he could think of. obviously he
> succeeded. i wouldn't count that as an example of chauvinism in the
> list, since it seems, that it was triggered by the topic 'sexism' in
> order to question the ongoing discussion.
>
> accusing him of chauvinism would be too simple in that case, though i do
> not approve sending such sentences to a public mailing list, regardless
> of the intention.
>
> > I really didn't want to post another OT but to be blind about the facts
> is
> > just a bit too much for me to keep silent.
>
> i think, the whole community would agree, that whatever is troubling
> someone in a serious manner, it should be brought up here.
>
> roman
>
>
>
>
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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

[Roman Haefeli]

On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 00:19 -0400, .·:*¨¨*:·.darsha.·:*¨¨*:·. wrote:
> Hi people
> 
[...]
> ..This thread makes my skin crawl. 
> 
> xo
> 
> Darsh

could you tell us, what it is, that makes your skin crawl? the fact,
that there is such a thread at all? the way, it is discussed? the
mentioned examples of sexism? i am confused.

roman




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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

[Alicia Byer]

Hi everybody,

Maybe I have no valid opinion because I just lurk on this list, but I 
don't appreciate being called "girl" either, I'm in my mid-twenties 
also. And as far as the thread making anybody's skin crawl, I agree with 
Darsh. The kind of terms and attitudes being thrown around about 
gang-bangs and gross sex make me not want to join in any discussions. 
It's just like my supercollider class in college where I was one of two 
women, and the professor kept discussing what one should do to be a real 
"jock" programmer, and everything had to be so macho. It just seems 
dumb. And to whoever it was that said something about "This is how we 
talk on the street", first of all, I don't believe you, and second of 
all, this isn't the street.

Anyway, darsh, I know where you're coming from.

thanks everybody,
Alicia

> On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 00:19 -0400, .·:*¨¨*:·.darsha.·:*¨¨*:·. wrote:
>   
>> Hi people
>>
>> 
> [...]
>   
>> ..This thread makes my skin crawl. 
>>
>> xo
>>
>> Darsh
>> 
>
> could you tell us, what it is, that makes your skin crawl? the fact,
> that there is such a thread at all? the way, it is discussed? the
> mentioned examples of sexism? i am confused.
>
> roman
>
>
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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

[pueblo]

> hey ho

hi roman

> let me switch in again. it was not my intention to stop a thread in a
> dictatorship way. i just noticed, that the discussion meandered through
> very different subject-matters, that weren't related anymore at all to
> the original topic 'sexism', and it seems, that it wasn't coming to a
> point.

thanks for switching in again, I feel we don't discuss the topic of sexism
which is in front of our sex, it is basically always there. gender, we
keep on being fixed on gender on agressive attitudes, intolerance.

for example this
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-10/054689.html

If I remember well Matju was also molested by this.
to me this was intolerance because it doesn't allow us to get into a
deeper degree in the conversation.
It may also be known as male bonding (funnily enough  it was followed by a
funny advertisementlike max msp thread)

I've been speaking with other fellow women from the Pd convention in
Montreal about why we don't write to the list and I have to mention some
practical factors, a different division of labor, many of the women
that can take the time to read the pd list are independent, self employed
and doing multiple jobs and arrangements to live-- some of us are not
'professional' programmers but we get to deal with a lot of technology in
our work with sensors, diy, electronica,  computer music, web
programming,. So, some of us feel that we don't have time to answer it!.

I learn pd by myself and the list is very useful though. My last problem
was creb compilation and I solved it very fast following that thread until
the end ;)

 since this is still a list about pd, i proposed in a not so
> serious way to bury that thread, since a real discussion obviously
> couldn't be established.

i think your attempt was very kind and brought some peace. I wanted to
propose to brew a drink that people make in bolivia, peru, chile,
argentina,  ecuador guatemala and many places in altiplano (high
mountains)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicha

and about feminist jokes. well you know feminism is in total discredit, is
not fashionable anymore but the conditions for women are not equal and we
face feminicide (this is extermination of women)in various areas of the
world. So I don't mind being sensitive to anything that is related to
this.
and some feminist from the south are excellent, in case you would like
some good internet radio

http://nueva.radionumerocritico.cl/news.php

I didn't start this thread on sexism because I didn't have any particular
complaint against this list although I can remember some situations
outside the list:

- once a pd friend said to me that still no women wrote an external, ah
yes I would like to program a external I said. He said oh well Yves can do
that  you don't have to do that.

-once a pd friend which I wanted to talk to said ah! you are the visual
artist that works with Yves. that was ok but there is this prejudice that
women doing pd do visuals. Ah no, I make noise.

-once a pd friend didn't include me in the logs of a pd irc chat meeting (!)

-once a pd friend said that his professor said that women can't do sound
because is too abstract for them, they need the materiality of visuals

but many other times I have also been -very encouraged by people that
participate a lot in the list and in pd meetings and pd projects to keep
on learning and feel more confident in my autonomy towards media.

it would be better IMHO to discuss things and not avoid it but yes that
would take time, to look into what we really mean by sexism and ask around
why women (hey but not only women) don't participate in this spaces.


Alejandra



> On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 19:38 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> > yves,
>> > I haven't noticed anything offensive on the list like you describe
>> (maybe
>> > you're mixing life on the streets with life on the pd-list? :))
>>
>> hi David and all,
>> I don't know if you didn't follow some threads but here are some
>> examples
>> of greasy jokes:
>
> yo, i am glad, that you bring some realworld cases up. i think, this
> could be a basis for a real discussion.
>
>> From:João Miguel Pais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date:Tue, October 9, 2007 1:29 pm
>>
>> - do you know how many feminists are necessary to change a lightbulb? 2:
>> One to change the lightbulb, and one to s**k my c**k.
>> [I think all users are old enough to read this, and at least it's a
>> humorous tone, not purely offensive like some mails in the last weeks]
>
> i don't know, how obvious this was, but i am pretty sure, that in the
> first place it wasn't jmmmp's intention to make bad jokes, that insult
> feminists. i would rather say, that he, as probably some others, felt,
> that this discussion was going to nowhere and probably wanted to
> provocate a discussion by bringing up the most stupid macho joke (or
> whatever this should be called) he could think of. obviously he
> succeeded. i wouldn't count that as an example of chauvinism in t