Re: [PD] Pd-extended on gusty

2007-10-21 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 perhaps Gem will need to be ported to libquicktime 1.0.

i know you probably know that already: but Gem has just to be recompiled.
i am using libquicktime-1.0 since about april (according to the
changelog.Debian), i have never even noticed.
debian/lenny just did a non-maintainer upload for the recompilation
without any problems.

i have just recently done a bit of a project with pdp, and i do not
remember having any troubles in re-compiling it against the lqt-1.0.

afaik, pidip does not depend at all on libquicktime.


so no porting, just compiling.
we shouldn't make things worse than they are.


fgmadsr
IOhannes

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Re: [PD] Pd-extended on gusty

2007-10-21 Thread kimm furt

 so no porting, just compiling.
 we shouldn't make things worse than they are.
   
... sounds promising!

anyway - i got an error while compiling. and because i'm new to linux on 
have no c-skills i don't know how to fix it:

In file included from ../Pixes/filmAVIPLAY.h:32,
from filmAVIPLAY.cpp:16:
/usr/include/avifile-0.7/StreamInfo.h:5:2: error: #error Wrong usage of 
StreamInfo.h - include only infotypes.h!
../Pixes/filmAVIPLAY.h:83: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 
‘CImage’ with no type
../Pixes/filmAVIPLAY.h:83: error: expected ‘;’ before ‘*’ token
filmAVIPLAY.cpp: In constructor ‘filmAVIPLAY::filmAVIPLAY(int)’:
filmAVIPLAY.cpp:43: error: ‘m_aviimage’ was not declared in this scope
filmAVIPLAY.cpp: In member function ‘virtual pixBlock* 
filmAVIPLAY::getFrame()’:
filmAVIPLAY.cpp:120: error: ‘m_aviimage’ was not declared in this scope
filmAVIPLAY.cpp:124: error: ‘m_aviimage’ was not declared in this scope
make[3]: *** [filmAVIPLAY.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/kimm/Desktop/pd-extended/Gem/src/Pixes'
make[2]: *** [Pixes] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/kimm/Desktop/pd-extended/Gem/src'
make[1]: *** [/home/kimm/Desktop/pd-extended/Gem/src/Gem.pd_linux] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/kimm/Desktop/pd-extended/packages'
make: *** [install] Error 2
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/Desktop/pd-extended/packages/linux_make$

libavifile-0.7-dev and libavifile-0.7c2 are installed...

until this point hans' tutorial worked fine using copy/paste... thanks!
kimm

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Re: [PD] Pd-extended on gusty

2007-10-21 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

On Oct 21, 2007, at 3:36 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
 perhaps Gem will need to be ported to libquicktime 1.0.

 i know you probably know that already: but Gem has just to be  
 recompiled.
 i am using libquicktime-1.0 since about april (according to the
 changelog.Debian), i have never even noticed.
 debian/lenny just did a non-maintainer upload for the recompilation
 without any problems.

 i have just recently done a bit of a project with pdp, and i do not
 remember having any troubles in re-compiling it against the lqt-1.0.

 afaik, pidip does not depend at all on libquicktime.

It does, there is pdp_yqt, and others, I think.

 so no porting, just compiling.
 we shouldn't make things worse than they are.

I had to port pdp and pidip to 0.9.10, so I was just basing this  
guess on my experience.  Hopefully, it really is just compiling.

.hc



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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

2007-10-21 Thread Alexandre Castonguay
Hi all, Yves,

Here are some facts may help explain and paint a correct picture of the
convention's gender distribution.

Number of applications received for the exhibition component :

9 (F)
26 (M)

Invitations sent :

6 (F)
12 (M)

Number of applications for performances (* I am unsure as to the gender of
one applicant as we didn't ask people to specify it in their application.)

3 (F)
32 (M)

Invitations sent :

2 (F)
18 (M)

As Andrew Brouse noted, the applications for papers did not carry the
author's names so it makes it hard to get a picture of the gender
breakdown. Out of 46 'papers invitations', 2 were extended to women and I
believe that may unfortunately be the number of applicants?  Andrew may be
able to answer to that.

I believe that the impression Yves got is justified.  It is just that the
community is overwhelmingly male and 'white' (another thread!).  It also
seems that the juries for the papers, exhibition and performances were
conscious of the fact as it is somewhat reflected in the final breakdown
of invitations sent.

Some observations on other parts of this long thread that may yet yield
something positive.

* The component of the convention that had the highest representation of
women applicants was the exhibition. It shows that this form of
contribution is often the way through which women enter the community. It
should be maintained and expanded through other conventions.

* I heard through the application process that some women were intimidated
by the perceived technological sophistication of the pd scene and thought
that their work may not be 'pure' enough to warrant an application. In
that light, dismissing people whose work process calls on external
expertise to be realized does not help with that perception of purity.

* I am personally glad that our efforts of providing better documentation
and access to the software got a renewed push through the work groups and
discussions happening at the convention.

* Building a more representative community will take time and many more
pd-conventions, workshops, efforts through documentation and packaging,
participating in long email threads and chats.  Let's keep in mind that
most of us take part in these efforts because we believe we can make the
community more inclusive, make good work and have fun while doing it.

A bientot,

Alexandre





On Friday 19 October 2007 08:24:26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ola,

  Honestly I wasn't even sure this sevy was really Yves, and for that
  matter I know nothing about Yves.  As I said- the original statement was
  completely untrue; and the original poster hasn't responded to that fact.
   I honestly did not believe the subject was a problem on this list.

 wrong! i sent this after reading 'wettest dream' in a mail from 2 weeks
 ago, but anyway it was 2 years or more that this was going on,
 and was also a general feeling from pd convention
 ( seems work groups were only constituted of men ),
 too bad some people speaking here were not there.

 saludos,
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Re: [PD] Audio drops when I refresh many text in scrolline byexternalMIDI control.

2007-10-21 Thread Kuba Szczypek
You all give me big kick with positive energy. EVERY ideas are great and 
 I copied this into separate file for my personal use. I will try to set 
up GNU for pd and based on earlier attached patch eztest I`m in 
progress of changing my current patch. (I`m escape from scrollist.)

You give me much more than I ask - I understood and known better ways of 
work with GUI. And maybe I will use also other software parallel with pd 
for easier life.

I try to write not too much this time but I would like to THANK YOU ALL! 
Please know that I feel your help (this help work!), your good heart, 
your effort. Definitely this list is very necessary.

When I will finish this small part of my patch I will write once again 
this subject with word SOLVED.

Kuba

p.s.Frank - my patch is too too deep and ugly for public show now. I`m 
only 1.5 year with pd and maybe after 5 years my patches will be beauty 
and clarity like yours.


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[PD] pyext crashes on pd startup

2007-10-21 Thread olsen wolf
buenas
on a feisty ubuntustudio i installed pyext - no nagging during
installation but as soon as i start pd with -lib py -path  -path
/home/olsen/pd/extra/grill/py/scripts it crashes with
Pd: signal 4 - without pyext works flawlessly.
i tried it with Pd-0.39.3-extended-ubuntu-feisty-i386.deb 
Pd-0.40.3-extended-20071020-ubuntu-feisty-i386.ded
 py-0.2.0-pd.tgz
pyext is using python 2.4 - strangely enough same settings on my
laptop (kubuntu feisty)works...
any hint welcome
thanks
olsen

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[PD] Compilation problems under Fedora 7

2007-10-21 Thread Robert Gruendler
Hi,

i'm trying to compile the cvs version of gem under fedora 7.

Here's where it hangs:

In file included from ../Pixes/filmFFMPEG.h:24,
from filmFFMPEG.cpp:18:
/usr/include/ffmpeg/avformat.h:66: error: integer constant is too large 
for ‘long’ type
/usr/include/ffmpeg/avformat.h:67: error: integer constant is too large 
for ‘long’ type
/usr/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:2476: warning: attribute ignored in 
declaration of ‘struct ImgReSampleContext’
/usr/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:2476: warning: attribute for ‘struct 
ImgReSampleContext’ must follow the ‘struct’ keyword
/usr/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:2487: warning: ‘ImgReSampleContext’ is 
deprecated (declared at /usr/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:2481)
/usr/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:2497: warning: ‘ImgReSampleContext’ is 
deprecated (declared at /usr/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:2481)
/usr/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:2503: warning: ‘ImgReSampleContext’ is 
deprecated (declared at /usr/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:2481)
/usr/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:2508: warning: ‘ImgReSampleContext’ is 
deprecated (declared at /usr/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:2481)
/usr/include/ffmpeg/avformat.h: In function ‘void 
av_init_packet(AVPacket*)’:
/usr/include/ffmpeg/avformat.h:66: error: ‘INT64_C’ was not declared in 
this scope
/usr/include/ffmpeg/avformat.h: At global scope:
/usr/include/ffmpeg/avformat.h:295: warning: ‘AVFrac’ is deprecated 
(declared at /usr/include/ffmpeg/avformat.h:121)
filmFFMPEG.cpp: In member function ‘virtual void filmFFMPEG::close()’:
filmFFMPEG.cpp:71: error: cannot convert ‘AVCodecContext**’ to 
‘AVCodecContext*’ for argument ‘1’ to ‘int avcodec_close(AVCodecContext*)’
filmFFMPEG.cpp: In member function ‘virtual bool filmFFMPEG::open(char*, 
int)’:
filmFFMPEG.cpp:104: error: request for member ‘codec_id’ in 
‘stream-AVStream::codec’, which is of non-class type ‘AVCodecContext*’
filmFFMPEG.cpp:106: error: request for member ‘codec_type’ in 
‘stream-AVStream::codec’, which is of non-class type ‘AVCodecContext*’
filmFFMPEG.cpp:120: error: cannot convert ‘AVCodecContext**’ to 
‘AVCodecContext*’ for argument ‘1’ to ‘int avcodec_open(AVCodecContext*, 
AVCodec*)’
filmFFMPEG.cpp:140: error: request for member ‘time_base’ in 
‘stream-AVStream::codec’, which is of non-class type ‘AVCodecContext*’
filmFFMPEG.cpp:173: error: request for member ‘width’ in 
‘stream-AVStream::codec’, which is of non-class type ‘AVCodecContext*’
filmFFMPEG.cpp:174: error: request for member ‘height’ in 
‘stream-AVStream::codec’, which is of non-class type ‘AVCodecContext*’
filmFFMPEG.cpp: In member function ‘virtual pixBlock* 
filmFFMPEG::getFrame()’:
filmFFMPEG.cpp:256: error: request for member ‘frame_number’ in 
‘stream-AVStream::codec’, which is of non-class type ‘AVCodecContext*’
filmFFMPEG.cpp:267: error: cannot convert ‘AVCodecContext**’ to 
‘AVCodecContext*’ for argument ‘1’ to ‘int 
avcodec_decode_video(AVCodecContext*, AVFrame*, int*, uint8_t*, int)’
filmFFMPEG.cpp:310: error: request for member ‘width’ in 
‘stream-AVStream::codec’, which is of non-class type ‘AVCodecContext*’
filmFFMPEG.cpp:311: error: request for member ‘height’ in 
‘stream-AVStream::codec’, which is of non-class type ‘AVCodecContext*’
filmFFMPEG.cpp:312: error: request for member ‘pix_fmt’ in 
‘stream-AVStream::codec’, which is of non-class type ‘AVCodecContext*’
filmFFMPEG.cpp:315: warning: ‘img_convert’ is deprecated (declared at 
/usr/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:2636)
filmFFMPEG.cpp:315: warning: ‘img_convert’ is deprecated (declared at 
/usr/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:2636)
filmFFMPEG.cpp:320: error: request for member ‘frame_number’ in 
‘stream-AVStream::codec’, which is of non-class type ‘AVCodecContext*’
make[1]: *** [filmFFMPEG.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sobert/src/Gem/src/Pixes'
make: *** [Pixes] Error 2

Does anyone know if this is a libffmpeg version-problem ?

I'm using libffmpeg version 0.4.9.

Any help greatly appreciated.

-robert




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Re: [PD] Pd-extended on gusty

2007-10-21 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

Yeah, I think everything will work except things that require  
libquicktime and libflac7.

.hc

On Oct 21, 2007, at 1:24 PM, patrick wrote:

 i am running gutsy too, i have the same problem. but i downloaded the
 pd-0.40.3.deb file and unpack it (with file-roller for example).  
 inside
 data, there's usr i think, i just copied pd in /usr/local/lib and  
 bin in
 /usr/local/.

 it works but i am not sure at all about what external is using  
 libflac7. i
 am guessing pidip.

 pat




 - Original Message -
 From: kimm furt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: pd list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 4:45 PM
 Subject: [PD] Pd-extended on gusty


 hi hans and list,
 i just tried to install a Pd-0.40.3-extended...deb on ubuntustudio  
 7.10
 which was released yesterday. but a couple of libaries aren't  
 availible
 in the repos anymore. for example there's libflac8 instaed of  
 libflac7
 and libquicktime1 instead of version 0, and i didn' succeed.
 is it possible to get the source, that is used for the auto-builds
 somewhere? so i can try to compile it by myself.
 will there eventually be a .deb for gusty in the nearer future?
 or does anyone know any other way to get Pd-extended running on  
 gusty?
 if not, i'll have to install feisty again...
 thanks, kimm

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[PD] building pdj

2007-10-21 Thread Michal Seta
Hi all.

I wanted give pdj a try but i am having trouble building it.  I've
followed all instructions to setup ant and cpptasks but cannot get the
pdj build going.
survey
Has anyone successfully built pdj?
/survey

I have tried building pdj with ant's versions 1.6.5 and 1.7.0.  Both
failed.  I have modified build.xml in various ways (following hese
directions for cpptasks installation and build config:
http://ant-contrib.sourceforge.net/cc.html)

and always get the following error:

ant package
Buildfile: build.xml
-init:
cl-java:
javah:
cl:
BUILD FAILED
/home/mis/cvs/pdj-0.8.2/build.xml:68: Problem: failed to create task or type cc
Cause: The name is undefined.
Action: Check the spelling.
Action: Check that any custom tasks/types have been declared.
Action: Check that any presetdef/macrodef declarations have taken place.

Total time: 0 seconds
make: *** [all] Error 1

Any pointers/comments would be appreciated.

thanks,

./MiS

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[PD] metastudio released

2007-10-21 Thread Ed Kelly
Greetings.

My electro app, the metastudio is now released as version 0.1

Sorry there's no docs, I'm really busy, but I'll try to get something together 
soon!

Check out the page: http://sharktracks.co.uk/puredata/
or download'http://sharktracks.co.uk/puredata/metastudio-v0.1.zip;download

Have fun,
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Re: [PD] Spectrum graphing amplitude problem

2007-10-21 Thread Ed Kelly
It is really just the pixel-resolution of the graph. The graph size is 252, but 
the FFT size is 4096 ( giving 2049 points within the Nyquist frequency ).
So you will see magnitude peaks between the pixels as lower amplitude because 
the screen doesn't display pixels between pixels.
I hope this makes sense,

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- Original Message 
From: Jason Plumb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, 21 October, 2007 6:06:53 AM
Subject: [PD] Spectrum graphing amplitude problem

Hi.

I'm building a super simple but reconfigurable GOP spectrum graphing 
abstraction, but got some weird behavior early on.  Please see my
 example:

http://noisybox.net/computers/pd/questions/freq_graph_work3.pd

The magnitude computation and dividing by the block size I got from one
 
of the help examples.  It's almost doing the right thing -- if you drag
 
the slider around the single frequency peak moves around.  The problem 
is that the peak amplitude, as graphed, changes based on the frequency.
 
  It even seems to be periodic WRT frequency, which makes me think 
there's a kooky phase issue...

Any ideas?

Thanks,

-jason
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.3-extended released!

2007-10-21 Thread marius schebella
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
   * PDP/PiDiP work out-of-box on Mac OS X

live input should be renamed from pdp_v4l to pdp_ieee1394

   * Gem has working shader support

which is almost not documented, but cyrille, chris already did some 
documentation, and I am trying to write some tutorials, too.

marius.

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Re: [PD] Spectrum graphing amplitude problem

2007-10-21 Thread Jason Plumb
Ed Kelly wrote:
 It is really just the pixel-resolution of the graph. The graph size is 
 252, but the FFT size is 4096 ( giving 2049 points within the Nyquist 
 frequency ).

HmmmI think I follow...but if that reason holds, if I expand the 
graph to 256 and use a block size of 512, it should be pixel perfect eh? 
  I tried that earlier today, but saw the same behavior...

 So you will see magnitude peaks between the pixels as lower amplitude 
 because the screen doesn't display pixels between pixels.
 I hope this makes sense,

That *does* make sense.  It's for display reasons that I ultimately want 
to build a little scaling control into the abstraction...but I gotta get 
the basics going first.

Any other ideas?

I'm a bit new to FFT in the pd context, but I think I grok Nyquist -- 
Sampling at S can, at best, yield the S/2 frequency (where S is the 
sampling rate).  But how does this relate to block size in the DFT? 
Your original statement sounds like the max frequency out of the fft is 
(block size)/2...but that can't be right, eh?

Thanks,

-jason

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Re: [PD] Spectrum graphing amplitude problem

2007-10-21 Thread Mathieu Bouchard

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007, Jason Plumb wrote:

I'm a bit new to FFT in the pd context, but I think I grok Nyquist -- 
Sampling at S can, at best, yield the S/2 frequency (where S is the 
sampling rate).  But how does this relate to block size in the DFT? Your 
original statement sounds like the max frequency out of the fft is 
(block size)/2...but that can't be right, eh?


The most rapid change you can have in a signal is an alternance of two 
values: e.g. +1, -1, +1, -1, +1, -1, ... which has S/2 frequency.


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Re: [PD] Spectrum graphing amplitude problem

2007-10-21 Thread Charles Henry
 Any other ideas?

Another option is to use the 'plot as points' graph.  You will get all
the points that way, even if the size is too small.


 I'm a bit new to FFT in the pd context, but I think I grok Nyquist --
 Sampling at S can, at best, yield the S/2 frequency (where S is the
 sampling rate).  But how does this relate to block size in the DFT?
 Your original statement sounds like the max frequency out of the fft is
 (block size)/2...but that can't be right, eh?

exactly right.  When you use rfft~ on a block-size of N, you will have
N/2+1 points in the real part, indexed from 0 to N/2.  You will have
N/2-1 points in the imaginary part, indexed from 1 to N/2-1 (because
the imaginary part of the fft of a real-valued signal is zero at the 0
frequency and at the Nyquist frequency).

If you're using fft~, you will see the full spectrum from 0 to N-1,
where the second half of the spectrum is the conjugate of the first
half.  For graphing purposes, you will probably just need the first
half.

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Re: [PD] Spectrum graphing amplitude problem

2007-10-21 Thread Jason Plumb
Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
 The most rapid change you can have in a signal is an alternance of two 
 values: e.g. +1, -1, +1, -1, +1, -1, ... which has S/2 frequency.

Woah, that's a *super* good way to remember that.  Thanks.  I love 
examples, and that's great!

Charles Henry wrote:
  Any other ideas?
  Another option is to use the 'plot as points' graph.  You will get all
  the points that way, even if the size is too small.

I would do that, but the single points are just too hard to see IMO.

  If you're using fft~, you will see the full spectrum from 0 to N-1,
  where the second half of the spectrum is the conjugate of the first
  half.  For graphing purposes, you will probably just need the first
  half.

That's cool, makes sense.  Since I now understand that I'm dealing with 
a graph/display issue, maybe I need to do some heavier lifting?  That 
is, unless somebody can suggest a better way, I guess I'll try and do 
block-synchronized snapshots, somehow walk/traverse the fft results 
myself and look for local discretized maximums.  Doesn't seem like much 
fun...

The real truth is that although I stand to learn a thing or two by going 
down this road, I'm probably just reinventing the wheel and could drop 
in an existing spectrum abstraction or external huh?

-jason

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Re: [PD] Spectrum graphing amplitude problem

2007-10-21 Thread Charles Henry
 That's cool, makes sense.  Since I now understand that I'm dealing with
 a graph/display issue, maybe I need to do some heavier lifting?  That
 is, unless somebody can suggest a better way, I guess I'll try and do
 block-synchronized snapshots, somehow walk/traverse the fft results
 myself and look for local discretized maximums.  Doesn't seem like much
 fun...

 The real truth is that although I stand to learn a thing or two by going
 down this road, I'm probably just reinventing the wheel and could drop
 in an existing spectrum abstraction or external huh?

If you're looking for locations and values of peaks in a signal block,
you can use pique~ to do that.  When I started out, I wrote an
external called maxval~ to do this, not realising there was one in
front of my face :)  I recommend writing an external as an exercise
anyway.  Chances are, you will eventually find yourself with some
function you want.  It's better to space out the heavy lifting than
doing it all at once

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.3-extended released!

2007-10-21 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

On Oct 21, 2007, at 6:47 PM, marius schebella wrote:

 Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
   * PDP/PiDiP work out-of-box on Mac OS X

 live input should be renamed from pdp_v4l to pdp_ieee1394

I couldn't resist.  I made this change in all the help patches and  
example patches, and reuploaded the release.  So if you are on the  
Mac and your pdp/pidip patches have pdp_v4l in them, download again.

:D

.hc


   * Gem has working shader support

 which is almost not documented, but cyrille, chris already did some
 documentation, and I am trying to write some tutorials, too.

 marius.

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[PD] install latest pd-ext

2007-10-21 Thread Josh Lawrence
Hello - newbie lurker here.

I am attempting to install the latest Pd-extended on my debian testing
box, and this is what I get:

pd-extended: Depends: tcl8.4 but it is not going to be installed
   Depends: tk8.4 but it is not going to be installed
   Depends: libflac7 but it is not installable
   Depends: imagemagick
   Depends: libpng3 but it is not going to be installed
   Depends: libmpeg1 but it is not going to be installed
   Depends: libmpeg2-4 but it is not going to be installed
   Depends: libmpeg3-1 but it is not going to be installed
   Depends: libquicktime0 but it is not installable
   Depends: libdv4 but it is not going to be installed
   Depends: libimlib2 but it is not going to be installed
   Depends: libgsl0 but it is not going to be installed
   Depends: libmagick++9c2a but it is not going to be installed
   Depends: x-ttcidfont-conf but it is not going to be installed
   Depends: libavifile-0.7c2 but it is not going to be installed
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or
specify a solution).

So no problem, I can go through and install these, except I get
tripped right off the bat - there is no libflac7, only 6 and 8.  How
are the debian folks getting past this issue?  The website mentions
automatically getting the right dependancies downloaded, but I do not
know how to do that.

Thank you,

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Josh Lawrence
http://www.hardbop200.com

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