[PD] Data Structure
Hello, I have a question about 07.Sequencer patch in 4.data.structures, I see this message ; pd-data sort what is of use it? Cheers Thomas http://matohawkitongroup.free.fr ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] I'm stuck in a corner, please help! RE: [delta~] object was: Re: Cyclone in vanilla?
Hallo, Steffen Juul hat gesagt: // Steffen Juul wrote: I gotta point out that my intention was not to be rude, but rather to point out that if, and i may very well be wrong, z~ implementations need dynamic patching which is an unsupported feature then its not a robust solution hence not the best to add to a printed book. I'm sorry if i seamed rude, i just tried to be brief. I didn't think you were rude at all. Note that I only used dynamic patching in my zel~ example to implement minimized buffer sizes as was requested. But I also noted that I consider this a not very useful effort (premature optimization?): Just make a delwrite that is big enough to hold several samples and read from that. A delwrite with, say, 10 msec should cover most uses of a z~ clone. z~ with delays of more than a handful of samples normally aren't used as these tend to become more like real delays, not like the filter-equation delays z~ was written for. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD on multitouch
I think you can already do it on osx.. via remote buddy i think. kilshaw~ Simon Kilshaw Lecturer in Music Technology RWCMD -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 4/27/2008 11:00 AM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: PD-list Digest, Vol 37, Issue 112 Send PD-list mailing list submissions to pd-list@iem.at To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of PD-list digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: I'm stuck in a corner,please help! RE: [delta~] object was: Re: Cyclone in vanilla? (Steffen Juul) 2. Re: pd on multi touch (Ben Carney) 3. Re: contextual pdpedia menu link (Hans-Christoph Steiner) 4. Re: pdp_colorgrid bug (Hans-Christoph Steiner) 5. compiling pd in fedora (Jaime Oliver) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:05:55 +0200 From: Steffen Juul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] I'm stuck in a corner,please help! RE: [delta~] object was: Re: Cyclone in vanilla? To: pd-list@iem.at mailinglist pd-list@iem.at Cc: Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On 25/04/2008, at 19.25, Steffen Juul wrote: On 25/04/2008, at 18.34, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Andy Farnell hat gesagt: // Andy Farnell wrote: Fundamentally, [z~] is a *very* useful primitive to have I think, fundamentally z~ is just delread~/delwrite~ with a different way to specify delay times, slightly better performance because it doesn't allow many things delread~/delwrite~ can do, and no need to employ two objects. Or am I missing something? Maybe that your implementation uses an unsupported feature? I gotta point out that my intention was not to be rude, but rather to point out that if, and i may very well be wrong, z~ implementations need dynamic patching which is an unsupported feature then its not a robust solution hence not the best to add to a printed book. I'm sorry if i seamed rude, i just tried to be brief. -- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:44:55 -0500 From: Ben Carney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] pd on multi touch To: Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED], pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hans,pdlisters, I would be willing to contribute to a paypal account setup for this specific reason. I wouldthink that many other pd list-ers out here would do the same. anyone want to chime in here? think about connecting patch chords on the train. with your fingertips On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shouldn't be too hard to get Pd running on an iphone. Getting the GUI stuff running on an iPhone is a different story. That's dependant on whether Tcl/Tk runs on the iPhone. Apparently, someone has done it, I haven't tried it. Also, someone has stepped up and said they are going to make Tcl/Tk pure Cocoa on the Mac, so that would make it trivial to get it on the iPhone. Buy me an iphone and I'll do it :) .hc On Apr 24, 2008, at 3:41 AM, Ben Carney wrote: Hello there all, Is there any work being done on getting pd to tun on a multi ouch device such as the ipod touch or iphone? I think this would be an amazing experience, connecting patch chords with a fingertip or stylus best, -- Ben C. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives., from The Idols of Environmentalism, by Curtis White -- Ben C. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20080426/d0a3ade0/attachment.html -- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:21:40 -0400 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] contextual pdpedia menu link To: pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Apr 26, 2008, at 5:16 AM, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That sounds very useful, I have always missed that, but I don't see the patch attached. I think the patch tracker would be a good place for it.
Re: [PD] polymatrix...patchbay for audio and anything
Luigi Rensinghoff wrote: Am 25.04.2008 um 12:48 schrieb hard off: who thought of mtx_*~ though??? a bit over the top isn't it? why over the top ?? as i understood hardoff's remark, [mtx_*~] is a bit overpowered to do mere routing (being able to mix signals, have any gain and doing interpolation) and thus a potential waste of ressources. (cf: mit kanonen auf spatzen schießen) nevertheless, [mtx_*~] should be rather optimized when dealing with multiplication of 1 and 0. speaking of this, i now remember that i do have 2 audio-routing matrices in zexy: [demux~] and [mux~] (for pd-extended users these are probably called [demultiplex~] and [multiplex~]) they have been written as counterparts to the full-featured [matrix~] (now [mtx_*~]), but as you probably have guessed from my lack of memory, i hardly ever (actually quite never) use it... fgmaser IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] curve nameclash
hi hans, I don't know if this is new, the curve object in mapping causes a nameclash with curve from gem. marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pattern extraction/recognition
Hi, i'm looking for a way to make a patch that recognizes musical motifs from a flute player in real-time. The first problem is how accurate you expect the pattern recognition to be. I have a piece where I ask Pd to make binary descriminations on input from the flute player, in real time. It works fine. It is simple enough to get note information from fiddle~ and write that as a list or a table. The problem is that you won't get 100% of the flute notes (legato notes sometime don't trigger etc.) and the notes fiddle estimates are not always perfect. The next problem is how fast can pd process the list/table to identify pattern. That will depend on the length of the patterns (of course) but also the narrower the definition of what pd needs to look for the faster it can match (probably). To create a system that works for you, you will definately need to start with recordings before you have something to work with a player on. There is a fair ammount of research on music pattern recognition out there, though real-time is not a priority for most at this stage. Oded ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pattern extraction/recognition
the best performance I ever heard using musical pattern recognition was by the trombone player george lewis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lewis_(trombonist) he uses a max patch called voyager. I have no idea how it works, maybe you find some documentation online. he worked on it for several years. and it was extremely good. marius. Oded Ben-Tal wrote: Hi, i'm looking for a way to make a patch that recognizes musical motifs from a flute player in real-time. The first problem is how accurate you expect the pattern recognition to be. I have a piece where I ask Pd to make binary descriminations on input from the flute player, in real time. It works fine. It is simple enough to get note information from fiddle~ and write that as a list or a table. The problem is that you won't get 100% of the flute notes (legato notes sometime don't trigger etc.) and the notes fiddle estimates are not always perfect. The next problem is how fast can pd process the list/table to identify pattern. That will depend on the length of the patterns (of course) but also the narrower the definition of what pd needs to look for the faster it can match (probably). To create a system that works for you, you will definately need to start with recordings before you have something to work with a player on. There is a fair ammount of research on music pattern recognition out there, though real-time is not a priority for most at this stage. Oded ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] compiling pd in fedora
On Sat, 2008-04-26 at 19:00 -0700, Jaime Oliver wrote: hello all, I am compiling pd in fedora and it all seems to go well until I run pd as following and get the error. Pd seems to be running, but there is no gui, am i missing something?: [EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# ./pd priority 98 scheduling enabled. ../bin/pd-gui: error while loading shared libraries: libtk8.5.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory You are missing the libtk8.5 library ... install it via yum. It's needed for the gui. priority 96 scheduling enabled. watchdog: signaling pd... watchdog: signaling pd... watchdog: signaling pd... watchdog: signaling pd... -- Jaime E Oliver LR [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver www-crca.ucsd.edu/ www.realidadvisual.org 9168 Regents Rd. Apt. G La Jolla, CA 92037 USA --- Dan Wilcox robotcowboy.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] tutorial on struct/template usage?
Hmm, I see it in 0.40 and 0.41... but Debian might have stuck it somewhere wierd. Maybe try find / -name 4.data.structures ... cheers M On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 06:34:21PM +0200, Nicola Bernardini wrote: Dear all, thanks for all your replies - and sorry for not having thank you before: for some reason I am not receiving mail from this list, so I had to go in the archives and find out that Miller and Frank had actually replied to me (thanks!). Miller, the 4.data.structures page is not in my distro - I am currently using the vanilla 0.40.2-2 version which comes with Ubuntu Hardy, but it's not in there :( I'll try to find out why - perhaps there's something wrong with the package. Frank, thank you very much - I will study the tutorials, I guess that's really what I need. nicb -- Nicola Bernardini e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nicolabernardini.info GPG fingerprint = 6AE6 AF21 E160 D9B3 396E EBAC 906C CFAE 4D65 D910 Neither MS-Word nor MS-PowerPoint attachments please. Fri Apr 25 16:52:11 CEST 2008 They're obscure by design (I'm trying to think of a more straightforward design but can't). Meanwhile, did you find the 4.data.structures tutorial in the Pd distribution? cheers Miller On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:40:09AM +0200, Nicola Bernardini wrote: Dear all, is it me, or the part on struct/template objects is rather obscure as far as documentation goes? I really would like to do something with these objects, and now I have the occasion to do it, but I am not able to guess how to do it for the life of me. Is there a tutorial/howto/whatever somewhere that tackles these topics? I swear I googled around and around with no success before writing. nicb -- Nicola Bernardini Scuola di Musica Elettronica Conservatorio C.Pollini Padova e-mail: nicb at sme-ccppd.org http://www.conservatoriopollini.it http://www.sme-ccppd.org http://www.nicolabernardini.info GPG fingerprint = 6AE6 AF21 E160 D9B3 396E EBAC 906C CFAE 4D65 D910 Neither MS-Word nor MS-PowerPoint attachments please. ___ PD-list at iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Frank Barknecht fbar at footils.org Fri Apr 25 18:50:27 CEST 2008 Hallo, Nicola Bernardini hat gesagt: // Nicola Bernardini wrote: is it me, or the part on struct/template objects is rather obscure as far as documentation goes? I really would like to do something with these objects, and now I have the occasion to do it, but I am not able to guess how to do it for the life of me. Is there a tutorial/howto/whatever somewhere that tackles these topics? I swear I googled around and around with no success before writing. Search http://puredata.info/ for data structures instead of Google. There are two tutorials that may be useful: An old one by myself: http://puredata.info/community/projects/convention04/lectures/tk-barknecht/tut.tgz/view?searchterm=data%20structures (URL in one line) And a pdf by Greg Karman here, which I would actually recommend to start with: http://puredata.info/Members/ggkarman/Tutoriales Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] stderr printout
hi,
I use this hack right now to get the console output into pd:
./pd 21 | while read line; do echo ${line}; | ./pdsend 1235
localhost udp; done
but maybe someone knows a better solution (that would allow normal
printout to the pd window at the same time).
best solution would probably be [stderr] object that grabs everything
that is printed to the console and spits it out on an outlet.
marius.
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Re: [PD] stderr printout
Hi, i don't know if the console hook patch ever made it into vanilla pd. With this it's easy to write an external which spits out the console output... we use this feature in vibrez extensively. gr~~~ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] stderr printout
Yes, that sounds like a very useful patch. I don't recall seeing it in the patch tracker. Can you post it? I'd like to try to include it into Pd-extended. .hc On Apr 27, 2008, at 6:10 PM, Thomas Grill wrote: Hi, i don't know if the console hook patch ever made it into vanilla pd. With this it's easy to write an external which spits out the console output... we use this feature in vibrez extensively. gr~~~ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Mac OS X 10.4/Intel nightly builds are back
Mac OS X 10.4/Intel nightly builds are back! Tomorrow's build will include Luke Iannini's new patch for making the title of each window more Mac OS X-style. http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest Also, we should have 10.5 nightly builds soon too, thanks to bsoisoi and marius. They seem to be smaller, so perhaps there are some notable improvements to the build process. 10.5 builds seem to work on 10.4 ok. .hc Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish.-William Carlos Williams ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] compiling pd in fedora
thanks all On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Dan Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2008-04-26 at 19:00 -0700, Jaime Oliver wrote: hello all, I am compiling pd in fedora and it all seems to go well until I run pd as following and get the error. Pd seems to be running, but there is no gui, am i missing something?: [EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# ./pd priority 98 scheduling enabled. ../bin/pd-gui: error while loading shared libraries: libtk8.5.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory You are missing the libtk8.5 library ... install it via yum. It's needed for the gui. priority 96 scheduling enabled. watchdog: signaling pd... watchdog: signaling pd... watchdog: signaling pd... watchdog: signaling pd... -- Jaime E Oliver LR [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver www-crca.ucsd.edu/ www.realidadvisual.org 9168 Regents Rd. Apt. G La Jolla, CA 92037 USA --- Dan Wilcox robotcowboy.com http://www.robotcowboy.com -- Jaime E Oliver LR [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver www-crca.ucsd.edu/ www.realidadvisual.org 9168 Regents Rd. Apt. G La Jolla, CA 92037 USA ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pattern extraction/recognition
thanks all for reply, the best performance I ever heard using musical pattern recognition was by the trombone player george lewis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lewis_(trombonist)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lewis_%28trombonist%29 he uses a max patch called voyager. I have no idea how it works, maybe you find some documentation online. he worked on it for several years. and it was extremely good. marius. thanks a lot, in this paperhttp://muse.jhu.edu/demo/leonardo_music_journal/v010/10.1lewis.html,George talk about the voyager programming in the FORMULA language, some interesting insights, thinking buy the cd http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html%3FASIN=B3JAI9%26tag=squidoox14-20%26lcode=xm2%26cID=2025%26ccmID=165953%26location=/o/ASIN/B3JAI9%253FSubscriptionId=19BAZMZQFZJ6G2QYGCG2 Have begun to look Nick Collins work (bbcut), that looks to be very good with supercollider. Looks that legato notes are a problem with fiddle~. Maybe a output mix of fiddle~ and fft~? just guessing. I think that the length of the pattern to be recognized should be variable, but following the common sense concept of motif: 3 to 10 notes. The motif is a rythmic/melodic pattern - i will think rythm and melody separately, but in some moment they will interact i still don't figure out how. Aubio semms great, i will try a binary that i found herehttp://ftp.man.poznan.pl/pub/linux/debian/debian/pool/main/a/aubio/pd-aubio_0.3.2-2+b1_i386.deb. Looks like i have a lot of work to do. Thanks ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Mac OS X 10.4/Intel nightly builds are back
Thanks for the effort, all of you, making this wonderful thing called Pd work so well (on the Mac, especially). I performed with my group last night using nothing but Pd, from the OSC-network processing to the audio synthesis, and it handled it all beautifully, as I have come to expect. Phil Stone Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Mac OS X 10.4/Intel nightly builds are back! Tomorrow's build will include Luke Iannini's new patch for making the title of each window more Mac OS X-style. http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest Also, we should have 10.5 nightly builds soon too, thanks to bsoisoi and marius. They seem to be smaller, so perhaps there are some notable improvements to the build process. 10.5 builds seem to work on 10.4 ok. .hc Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish.-William Carlos Williams ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Trax - Sinusoidal Model Synthesis in Pure Data
Great stuff Rich!! Amazingly powerful music and sound fx making potential with sdif files. Thanks for sharing these sounds and patches. a. On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:34:37 -0700 Rich E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.teafordragons.com/rte/trax.html This is a patch I've been working on for quite some time now, finally packaged with some documentation and an example qlist with it. Trax is a fancy additive synthesizer that stores partials in data structures and re-synthesizes them using [oscbank~]. It gets the sinusoidal models from SDIF files with 1TRC frames, which have to be imported with [sdiflists]. I'd like to know how well it works for others, it makes great sounds on my Ubuntu laptop, although I had much worse results on a Macbook. You can get the externals from cvs or: www.teafordragons.com/rte/software.html I personall control Trax with a Wacom Intuos3, so there are mappings programmed for it that get wacom data using [linuxevent]. *note: I chose not to use [hid] because it is possible to call the wacom with [linuxevent /dev/input/wacom], which is always symbolically linked to the correct /dev/input/event*. I couldn't ever get [hid] to do find the wacom on its own, without specifying exactly which event number it is on. You can also listen to a couple pieces I wrote using Trax, which also use other fun Pd stuff and recorded in Ardour: www.teafordragons.com/rte/music.html Now, on to SMS, Spectral Model Synthesis, that is.. cheers, rich ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Mac OS X 10.4/Intel nightly builds are back
Cool, glad it's useful :) As usual, it's always good to see video or hear audio of Pd performances. .hc On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:32 PM, Phil Stone wrote: Thanks for the effort, all of you, making this wonderful thing called Pd work so well (on the Mac, especially). I performed with my group last night using nothing but Pd, from the OSC-network processing to the audio synthesis, and it handled it all beautifully, as I have come to expect. Phil Stone Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Mac OS X 10.4/Intel nightly builds are back! Tomorrow's build will include Luke Iannini's new patch for making the title of each window more Mac OS X-style. http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest Also, we should have 10.5 nightly builds soon too, thanks to bsoisoi and marius. They seem to be smaller, so perhaps there are some notable improvements to the build process. 10.5 builds seem to work on 10.4 ok. .hc - --- Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish.-William Carlos Williams ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish.-William Carlos Williams ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
