Re: [PD] [PD-dev] Pure Data/gridflow/running flow_objects.c

2009-08-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig

Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

you could open the patch without GF being loaded: it won't work but it 
shouldn't crash then and you can remove the objects you think are 
causing the crash all by yourself.


It's an alternative to -noloadbang but I'd say -noloadbang is a bit 
easier as you don't have to deconfigure anything.


definitely.
since i didn't know wha tactually caused the problem (whether it was a 
[loadbang] or an object initialization by arguments), i suggested the 
safe (but more complex way).


so in short:
if a patch crashes, try:
- disabling loadbang by using the -noloadbang
OR (if the above fails)
- make Pd not find crashy objects, by not loading libraries, not giving 
paths,...



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[PD] font changed

2009-08-18 Thread Erich Berger

hello,

i am running ubuntu 9.04 and Pd version 0.41.4-extended-rc2.
after an ubuntu update my pd console and editing font changed
in a way that the text does not fit anymore into the boxes,
changing font size does not help.

anybody knows what could have happend or how i can repair it,
meaning changing the font ?

thanks a lot for any suggestions.

best

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Re: [PD] font changed

2009-08-18 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


Hey Erich,

Enjoying the summer sidra?  Try this to fix your font issue:

http://puredata.info/docs/faq/on-gnu-linux-the-fonts-are-strange-and-or-too-big-or-small

.hc

On Aug 18, 2009, at 3:45 AM, Erich Berger wrote:


hello,

i am running ubuntu 9.04 and Pd version 0.41.4-extended-rc2.
after an ubuntu update my pd console and editing font changed
in a way that the text does not fit anymore into the boxes,
changing font size does not help.

anybody knows what could have happend or how i can repair it,
meaning changing the font ?

thanks a lot for any suggestions.

best

erich


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Re: [PD] webcam in GEM on eeepc

2009-08-18 Thread Jaime Oliver
could you give more details of your setup?
what gem version are you using?
what kind of camera, driver, etc...

j

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Arif Driessen arif...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi guys,

 I normally stick to the forums but I've come here because I fear this is
 going to be a little too in depth. (I shall post the answer to the forum
 afterwards however).

 I know the GEM developers have discussed this over here:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/gem-...@iem.at/msg00098.html

 But I'm not a GEM developer! :)

 My issue is, [pix_video] won't see my camera under any conditions (in
 GNU/Linux), whilst mplayer tv:// in the terminal or the Cheese Webcam Booth
 are both very happy to. I simply don't know where to begin. But really
 really desire this feature (it's one of the main reasons i bought the eeepc
 701)

 Running eeebuntu lxde beta 1 (a cut down ubuntu/debian)

 Is this a common problem? Are there some standard procedures to fixing
 this? like reinstalling certain packages? e.t.c.

 There's no rush here, but I'm sure it's a somewhat popular issue since the
 eeepc must be a popular medium for Pure Data

 Thanks very much everyone.


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Re: [PD] webcam in GEM on eeepc

2009-08-18 Thread cyrille henry

hello,
eeepc cam is a V4L2 device. i think there is no (yet) officiel Gem release with 
V4L2 suport. you can check this when creating a pix_video object : it should 
print V4L and V4L2...

current development version works fine. so you should use the svn to download 
Gem latest source code, and compile it yourself.

you can also ask Iohannes to make release more often ;-)

Cyrille

Arif Driessen a écrit :

Hi guys,

I normally stick to the forums but I've come here because I fear this is 
going to be a little too in depth. (I shall post the answer to the forum 
afterwards however).


I know the GEM developers have discussed this over here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/gem-...@iem.at/msg00098.html


But I'm not a GEM developer! :)

My issue is, [pix_video] won't see my camera under any conditions (in 
GNU/Linux), whilst mplayer tv:// in the terminal or the Cheese Webcam 
Booth are both very happy to. I simply don't know where to begin. But 
really really desire this feature (it's one of the main reasons i bought 
the eeepc 701)


Running eeebuntu lxde beta 1 (a cut down ubuntu/debian)

Is this a common problem? Are there some standard procedures to fixing 
this? like reinstalling certain packages? e.t.c.


There's no rush here, but I'm sure it's a somewhat popular issue since 
the eeepc must be a popular medium for Pure Data


Thanks very much everyone.




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Re: [PD] webcam in GEM on eeepc

2009-08-18 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo,
Arif Driessen hat gesagt: // Arif Driessen wrote:
 I normally stick to the forums but I've come here because I fear this is
 going to be a little too in depth. (I shall post the answer to the forum
 afterwards however).
 
 I know the GEM developers have discussed this over here:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/gem-...@iem.at/msg00098.html
 
 But I'm not a GEM developer! :)
 
 My issue is, [pix_video] won't see my camera under any conditions (in
 GNU/Linux), whilst mplayer tv:// in the terminal or the Cheese Webcam Booth
 are both very happy to. I simply don't know where to begin. But really
 really desire this feature (it's one of the main reasons i bought the eeepc
 701)
 
 Running eeebuntu lxde beta 1 (a cut down ubuntu/debian)
 
 Is this a common problem? Are there some standard procedures to fixing this?
 like reinstalling certain packages? e.t.c.

I suppose your version of GEM doesn't support cameras with video2linux2 support.

One quick thing to try would be to aptitude install libv4l and then preload
the compatibility library for V4L1 apps by doing:
 
$ export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/vl1compat.so
$ pd -lib Gem

Otherwise try to get a Gem that supports v4l2, for example by recompiling it 
after
installing libv4l-dev, too.

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Re: [PD] webcam in GEM on eeepc

2009-08-18 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo,
Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote:
 $ export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/vl1compat.so

I meant to write: 

  $ export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so

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Re: [PD] webcam in GEM on eeepc

2009-08-18 Thread Arif Driessen
Amazing response both in time and effectiveness. I thank you all greatly.

three annoying newbie questions however:

Is this the package I need to get? http://sourceforge.net/projects/pd-gem/

Do I need to uninstall GEM first or do anything to Pd before or after to
recognise (insmod style) and work with the new GEM

Do I follow the standard compiling route i.e.

./configre
make
make install

(I have only ever patched my kernel once. that is as far my linux technical
proficiency goes)

Many many thanks for the time out you have spent on me.


On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:18 PM, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net wrote:

 hello,
 eeepc cam is a V4L2 device. i think there is no (yet) officiel Gem release
 with V4L2 suport. you can check this when creating a pix_video object : it
 should print V4L and V4L2...

 current development version works fine. so you should use the svn to
 download Gem latest source code, and compile it yourself.

 you can also ask Iohannes to make release more often ;-)

 Cyrille

 Arif Driessen a écrit :

 Hi guys,

 I normally stick to the forums but I've come here because I fear this is
 going to be a little too in depth. (I shall post the answer to the forum
 afterwards however).

 I know the GEM developers have discussed this over here:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/gem-...@iem.at/msg00098.html

 But I'm not a GEM developer! :)

 My issue is, [pix_video] won't see my camera under any conditions (in
 GNU/Linux), whilst mplayer tv:// in the terminal or the Cheese Webcam Booth
 are both very happy to. I simply don't know where to begin. But really
 really desire this feature (it's one of the main reasons i bought the eeepc
 701)

 Running eeebuntu lxde beta 1 (a cut down ubuntu/debian)

 Is this a common problem? Are there some standard procedures to fixing
 this? like reinstalling certain packages? e.t.c.

 There's no rush here, but I'm sure it's a somewhat popular issue since the
 eeepc must be a popular medium for Pure Data

 Thanks very much everyone.


 

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Re: [PD] webcam in GEM on eeepc

2009-08-18 Thread cyrille henry

Arif Driessen a écrit :

Amazing response both in time and effectiveness. I thank you all greatly.

three annoying newbie questions however:

Is this the package I need to get? http://sourceforge.net/projects/pd-gem/
no, you should not get a package, but the source code : 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/pd-gem/develop


somthing like : 
svn co https://pd-gem.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pd-gem/trunk/Gem  Gem/

should grab everything you need.

then, you'll have to read the README.linux in src folder
basically, you'll have to :
autoconf
./configure
sudo apt-get install whaterver missing
./configure
make
sudo make install

Cyrille



Do I need to uninstall GEM first or do anything to Pd before or after to 
recognise (insmod style) and work with the new GEM


Do I follow the standard compiling route i.e.

./configre
make
make install

(I have only ever patched my kernel once. that is as far my linux 
technical proficiency goes)


Many many thanks for the time out you have spent on me.


On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:18 PM, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net 
mailto:c...@chnry.net wrote:


hello,
eeepc cam is a V4L2 device. i think there is no (yet) officiel Gem
release with V4L2 suport. you can check this when creating a
pix_video object : it should print V4L and V4L2...

current development version works fine. so you should use the svn to
download Gem latest source code, and compile it yourself.

you can also ask Iohannes to make release more often ;-)

Cyrille

Arif Driessen a écrit :

Hi guys,

I normally stick to the forums but I've come here because I fear
this is going to be a little too in depth. (I shall post the
answer to the forum afterwards however).

I know the GEM developers have discussed this over here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/gem-...@iem.at/msg00098.html

But I'm not a GEM developer! :)

My issue is, [pix_video] won't see my camera under any
conditions (in GNU/Linux), whilst mplayer tv:// in the terminal
or the Cheese Webcam Booth are both very happy to. I simply
don't know where to begin. But really really desire this feature
(it's one of the main reasons i bought the eeepc 701)

Running eeebuntu lxde beta 1 (a cut down ubuntu/debian)

Is this a common problem? Are there some standard procedures to
fixing this? like reinstalling certain packages? e.t.c.

There's no rush here, but I'm sure it's a somewhat popular issue
since the eeepc must be a popular medium for Pure Data

Thanks very much everyone.





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Re: [PD] pduino strange behaviors

2009-08-18 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


This was a bug fixed in the latest beta release, please test :)

http://at.or.at/hans/pd/objects.html#pduino

.hc


On Jul 17, 2009, at 8:02 PM, FernandoG wrote:


Hi
I am new with arduino (duemilanove), I am trying to control the  
Arduino from Pd using Pduino-0.5beta1, but i cant figure out arduino  
object.  Digital outputs are working but analog input doesnt, many  
strange behaviors like enabling analog input turn on a led in 13  
output. I also tryed pduino-0.4 and 0.3 and things go even worst.  I  
on Debian lenny.


Any help is welcome
thanks
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Re: [PD] Tweaks ATI+ubuntu 9.04+PD (was motionblur ubuntu jaunty 9.04)

2009-08-18 Thread Marco Donnarumma
Hey,
i kept on searching tweaks for my ATI driver on ubuntu to be able to use Pd
in a efficient way ('cause the downgrade didn't sound so cool since i just
installed 9.04).

I finally found this links, and the tweaks explained in there are really
helping. Motionblur works nicely and i can use [gemframebuffer] and
glsl-related. CPU is still highhigher but i will look into it.
So this stuff could help someone else too in the future:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Additional_options_for_the_radeon_driver

also tons of other options are available via terminal -- man radeon
(but this is not a big discovery)

cheers


M


2009/8/14 Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.com

 mmm.. i found out the truth.
 i write this just for information (probably most of you already know it but
 it can be useful to post it anyway).

 catalyst 9.3 and earlier drivers don't support x 1.6 and catalyst 9.4
 doesn't support a bunch of older radeon cards (as mine).
 This means the only option one has is to downgrade to ubuntu 8.10.

 M



 2009/8/14 Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.com

 Thanks Jack,
 as IOhannes confirmed it is probably a driver problem (anyway i don't
 think i can make faster my pacth with [pix_snap] and family since they will
 eat my cpu.., i prefer to manage this driver issue).

 @IOhannes

 gfx card:
 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M56P [Radeon Mobility
 X1600]

 driver:
 xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.12.1-0ubuntu2
 xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.1-0ubuntu2

 i suggest using the latest (urgh) proprietary drivers to get decent openGL
 performance...

 yes, keep on looking i found out the same suggestion in other forums.
 ok, i'll try to install that right away .. (i was afraid to hear it) :P


 M



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[PD] [PD-announce] metastudio 3 CRITICAL update

2009-08-18 Thread Ed Kelly
Hi all,

I've updated the metastudio packages with the old svf~ external in the 
drumsynths (clinok~, clinoker~ and fmf_perc~) and svf_fl~. 
The bsaylor/svf~ external has problems - denormals cause the filter to max out 
the CPU and will crash any patch mid-preformance. I also found this problem 
with moog~ (in moog_fl~) so watch out for it crashing your patch! If it does, I 
recommend switching to svf_fl~ for a dynamic filter.

This is a critical update, so if you're using metastudio then head over to
http://sharktracks.co.uk/puredata
And save yourself some future embarrassment!

Enjoy!
Ed


  


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] metastudio 3 CRITICAL update

2009-08-18 Thread Phil Stone
I'm sorry if I missed it in an earlier thread, Ed, but what is this 
svf_f1~ that you speak of?  I've been using svf~ (many instances at 
once, in fact) for a couple of years without crashes, though sometimes 
the CPU climbs a bit when no sound is being made -- but again, no crashes.



Phil Stone
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Ed Kelly wrote:

Hi all,

I've updated the metastudio packages with the old svf~ external in the drumsynths (clinok~, clinoker~ and fmf_perc~) and svf_fl~. 
The bsaylor/svf~ external has problems - denormals cause the filter to max out the CPU and will crash any patch mid-preformance. I also found this problem with moog~ (in moog_fl~) so watch out for it crashing your patch! If it does, I recommend switching to svf_fl~ for a dynamic filter.


This is a critical update, so if you're using metastudio then head over to
http://sharktracks.co.uk/puredata
And save yourself some future embarrassment!

Enjoy!
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Re: [PD] letters that move to their correct position to form readable text

2009-08-18 Thread tim vets
Hello,

Thanks for sharing your insights!
The project turned out to be a little different from what I first thought
though.

Now it's like this:

A text is shown, but only the word lengths are correct, most letters are
randomly swapped with another letter in the text. The letters one by one
flip back to their original position in the text.

so it would go from:

taxbe ieis eal'est ih I gvin ae tyampse ki wuam it sfohld looa lofe
to
maybe it's easiest if I give an example of what it should look like

...letter per letter, so in n steps where n is the number of non-space
caracters in the text.
In the starting situation, spaces stay in place, all other caracters are
exchanged with other letters in the text randomly.

So I suppose it comes down to processing text in some way (list-abs, pyext,
...??) and sending the results to a text3d object.
btw: Does text3d support a newline character ?

Thanks again,
Tim


2009/8/14 Max abonneme...@revolwear.com

 hi tim,

 additionally to what frank said you might want to use a font with fixed
 width, otherwise you need to parse the kerning information somehow. with a
 fixed width you can just count the letter position and add the space to the
 x-position. use [text3d].

 max



 Am 14.08.2009 um 10:44 schrieb Frank Barknecht:


  Hallo,
 i...@timvets.net hat gesagt: // i...@timvets.net wrote:

  I'm looking for a way to do this:
 Show text where the letters are positioned randomly across the screen.
 Then gradually move the letters towards their correct position, to show
 the original, readable text...


 For showing letters you could use Gem.

 Then use pmpd or msd to do the smooth movement with some physical feeling.
 Just
 add some fixed mass points to the line(s) of text you want to fill, and
 add
 mobile masses connected by links to their respective fixed/final
 positions.
 Turn off all links by setting the k rigidity parameter to 0, spread out
 the
 letters in random positions, then turn on the k again to let the masses
 start
 moving.

 Ciao
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Re: [PD] letters that move to their correct position to form readable text

2009-08-18 Thread Claude Heiland-Allen

tim vets wrote:

btw: Does text3d support a newline character ?


You can send string messages of Unicode code points (or some other 
encoding, not entirely sure) to [text3d], which includes newlines.


string 48 49 10 50 51--[text3d]

Note that this is undocumented in the help patch in old versions of Gem.
(and maybe in the current one too, I haven't checked the latest yet)


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Re: [PD] gridflow: logitech e2500 working in ekiga but not with gridflow?!!!(i used libv4l)

2009-08-18 Thread sisil mehta
Hmm...i'll try this in the morning (and also the other method u had stated
before )

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.cawrote:

 On Mon, 17 Aug 2009, sisil mehta wrote:

  I've only loaded the gridflow library in the beginninngno other libs.
 on the other thread by me discussing the crashing problem, i had updated the
 GF from svn as mathieu suggested, and it still crashed. i again ran the
 where and backtrace full commands and attached the new results in that
 thread.


 I just thought about some other possible fix that I never tried. Run this
 command in the same shell used to start pd, before starting pd:

  export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libstdc++.so

 don't use this exact command, use it for each version of the lib you have.
 e.g. on my computer, I'd try:

  export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5
  pd examples/nervous_video.pd
  export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6
  pd examples/nervous_video.pd

 maybe I'm completely mistaken about LD_PRELOAD, or that I'm missing
 something else, but I can't test it at the moment.

 But even if this happens to work, I'd still rather have a tweak that I'd do
 to GridFlow so that users don't have to do it at all.


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Re: [PD] letters that move to their correct position to form readable text

2009-08-18 Thread cyrille henry

Claude Heiland-Allen a écrit :

tim vets wrote:

btw: Does text3d support a newline character ?


You can send string messages of Unicode code points (or some other 
encoding, not entirely sure) to [text3d], which includes newlines.


string 48 49 10 50 51--[text3d]

Note that this is undocumented in the help patch in old versions of Gem.
(and maybe in the current one too, I haven't checked the latest yet)


it was not, i just add it.
c



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Re: [PD] letters that move to their correct position to form readable text

2009-08-18 Thread Jack
Le mardi 18 août 2009 à 20:36 +0100, Claude Heiland-Allen a écrit : 
 tim vets wrote:
  btw: Does text3d support a newline character ?
 
 You can send string messages of Unicode code points (or some other 
 encoding, not entirely sure) to [text3d], which includes newlines.
 
 string 48 49 10 50 51--[text3d]
Ya, very good !
So, something like this is useful :

[une 10 petite 10 espace(
|
[str to_list]
|
[list prepend string]
|
[list trim]
|
[text3d]

If i understand here, there is no symbol created ?
If it is true, this is a good new, because this remove the problem of
memory, when the symbol change everytime :

(a symbol created)
|
[text $1]
|
[text3d]

++

Jack


 
 Note that this is undocumented in the help patch in old versions of Gem.
 (and maybe in the current one too, I haven't checked the latest yet)
 
 
 Claude


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[PD] call for translations for new Pd GUI

2009-08-18 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


Now that Miller has started the process of incorporating the new GUI  
code into his repo, it seems that now is a good time to get some more/ 
better translations.  The new GUI has pretty good localization support  
using the standard gettext .PO format (which is then converted to the  
Tcl .msg format).  It uses Tcl's msgcat library to do the actual work  
in the GUI.


So, now's a good time to start contributing.  Fix up the languages  
that are there, or add more languages or even country-specific  
versions of a language.  Here are the files:

http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/branches/pd-devel/0.41.4/po/

I highly recommend using an editor since its easy to make mistakes and  
hard to find them.  There are many good, free ones:


gtranslator - GNOME GNU/Linux
localize - KDE GNU/Linux
LocFactory Editor - Mac OS X
POedit - Windows/Mac OS X/GNU/Linux
emacs po-mode included with gettext

As for the license, I think we should just put them in the public  
domain since it seems too much of a headache to manage the license on  
them, or make it the same license as Pd.


.hc



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Re: [PD] [PD-dev] Pure Data/gridflow/running flow_objects.c

2009-08-18 Thread sisil mehta
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.cawrote:

 On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, sisil mehta wrote:

  I checked out this link:


 http://lists.artengine.ca/pipermail/gridflow-dev/2008-October/000455.html

 What do i have to do with the attachments??
 in the terminal i just executed this: (i dwnld attachment.c and renamed it
 libstdcpp.c)


 seems right.

  gcc -shared -o libstdcpp.pd_linux libstdcpp.c -lstdc++ and got this:
 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++ collect2: ld returned 1 exit status


 If -lstdc++ didn't work then how could you compile GridFlow at all?

 try this: ls -l /usr/lib/libstdc++.*
 I get this (I cut off the left part of the listing):


i tried the above stment and got htis:
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 2009-08-06 22:37 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 -
libstdc++.so.6.0.10
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 950424 2009-03-17 05:58 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.10

After that i tried some examples in Gem (the libstdcpp lib  loaded
sucessfully.) and it crashed with a new  error:

 segfault at b65c8a52 ip b65c8a52 sp bfc7dbe0 error 4 in
libgomp.so.1.0.0[b6a19000+7000]
 segfault at b7bc3014 ip b7f27b64 sp bf995624 error 7 in libpthread-2.9.so
[b7f21000+15000]

i tried to recompile gridflow ...and noticed the following error:

[objcpp] GNU/Apple ObjectiveC++ Compiler:
 missing (where is objc/Object.h ?) (*I
have dwnlded and installed gnu objective c++ compiler: gobjc++ but it still
gives this*)
[gem09] PureData GEM (source code) with m_holdname:
-- missing (gcc: error: ‘CPPExtern’ has not been
declared)
[gem08] PureData GEM (source code) without m_holdname:
--- missing (gcc compilation error)

could this be an issue?

Sisil.


 18 2009-05-08 19:42 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 - libstdc++.so.5.0.7
  737192 2008-05-10 02:18 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5.0.7
 19 2009-05-09 21:09 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 - libstdc++.so.6.0.10
  950424 2009-03-16 20:28 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.10

 In the meanwhile, I made a video of violoncelle.mov in multiblob.pd :

  http://gridflow.ca/gallery/violoncelle_multiblob.mov

 For this I used the [# ] threshold with some value I picked to make it
 visually interesting. (but practical uses would replace [# ] by something
 else.)


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Re: [PD] call for translations for new Pd GUI

2009-08-18 Thread Mathieu Bouchard

On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


http://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pure-data/branches/pd-devel/0.41.4/po/
As for the license, I think we should just put them in the public domain 
since it seems too much of a headache to manage the license on them, or make 
it the same license as Pd.


Those 17 language files are derivative works from the 17 translations of 
DesireData, which involved about 20 authors. You can't put other people's 
work in the public domain. You can't fail to credit them either.


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