Re: [PD] Sydney then Melbourne???
Unlikely to get 'schooners' in melbourne. that's generally a sydney and country victoria thing . Its weird but it's all we've got(or haven't not not got) to define us. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ed Kelly morph_2...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I'm in Oz for a few weeks. Anyone fancy a schooner here? Ed ;) Metastudio 3 for Pure Data - Free download at: http://sharktracks.co.uk/puredata ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM: writing an arbitrary blend function (glsl)?
vade escribió: You can do arbitrary blend modes in PD with GLSL as you suspect. take a look at http://001.vade.info/?page_id=20 which has shaders for video mixers (a through a+b to b blending, not just a+b) with most photoshop blend modes. Hi, I just had a very quick look, but it seems to me that your mixers use 2 textures, very much like the multi texture example I mentioned. To use them, you need two textures and you obtain the blended picture. I was looking for a way to replace the blend function, the very same function whose parameters you can modify using glBlendFunc and glBlendEquation. In order to use a two-texture mixer for my purpose (which is to change how the object blends with the background), I would need to repatch everything so that I snap the scene into a texture before blending. In my case it would be quite a radical repatching. However, after a little bit of googling, it seems that what I would like to do is simply impossible, isn't it? If I understand correctly, with glsl one can only modify the vertex and fragment transformations, while the blending phase cannot be modified. Is it correct? If so, is there a way I could do difference blending, that is the absolute value of the difference between source and destination colors? I have already done additive and multiplicative blending with glBlendFunc alone, and I should be able to do subtractive with glBlendEquation... can anybody suggest a way to get the absolute value? Thanks m. -- Matteo Sisti Sette matteosistise...@gmail.com http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] A present
Hi, I think I've found out why your game doesn't work for me. There is a [wrap -4 4] object somewhere, which I guess is used to wrap the snake's position around the screen. However, [wrap -4 4] behaves exactly the same as [wrap]. I have PD Vanilla 0.42.4 and IIRC [wrap] is relatively recent. Maybe there is an abstraction or object in PD Extended older than the introduction of [wrap] in vanilla, and this object accepted creation arguments to change its range? and it is this object you are using? Matteo Sisti Sette escribió: Hi, I still don't understand the game, but I can only move the snake within a very small rectangle (or square) approximately at the center of the screen. It disappears on one side and appears on the other one, but of a small square, and it looks like it is supposed to do the same on the whole window, or is that the expected behaviour? It seems impossible to avoid the red circle while being constrained within a small rectangle, but maybe I'm missing something... Apart from that, I get the error click~: couldn't create: is that an object of PD Extended, or an abstraction that is missing? Thank you for sharing the patch. I love games :) m. -- Matteo Sisti Sette matteosistise...@gmail.com http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] A present
yes I'm using [wrap], and it's always accepted creation arguments for its range so far. Using PD extended. Can you set the arguments another way in vanilla? Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:26:01 +0100 From: matteosistise...@gmail.com To: jbtur...@hotmail.com CC: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] A present Hi, I think I've found out why your game doesn't work for me. There is a [wrap -4 4] object somewhere, which I guess is used to wrap the snake's position around the screen. However, [wrap -4 4] behaves exactly the same as [wrap]. I have PD Vanilla 0.42.4 and IIRC [wrap] is relatively recent. Maybe there is an abstraction or object in PD Extended older than the introduction of [wrap] in vanilla, and this object accepted creation arguments to change its range? and it is this object you are using? Matteo Sisti Sette escribió: Hi, I still don't understand the game, but I can only move the snake within a very small rectangle (or square) approximately at the center of the screen. It disappears on one side and appears on the other one, but of a small square, and it looks like it is supposed to do the same on the whole window, or is that the expected behaviour? It seems impossible to avoid the red circle while being constrained within a small rectangle, but maybe I'm missing something... Apart from that, I get the error click~: couldn't create: is that an object of PD Extended, or an abstraction that is missing? Thank you for sharing the patch. I love games :) m. -- Matteo Sisti Sette matteosistise...@gmail.com http://www.matteosistisette.com _ Add your Gmail and Yahoo! Mail email accounts into Hotmail - it's easy http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Advice on how to handle latency in linux with Pd, jack and ardour
i asked about this issue on the ardour forum and paul davis (the main developer of ardour) gave this answer: All JACK clients can report latency on their ports. Pd is not reporting latency correctly on its JACK ports. If it did, the result of the send via Pd would still be aligned correctly. To correct this you need to use an artificial latency plugin (in the SWH plugin set) to fake the latency that Pd is adding. There's no way to know what the number is so you just have to play with it until ardour does the right thing. Oh, and you need to know one other thing: Ardour only does latency updates at each transport stop, so you need to adjust/stop/roll/adjust/stop as necessary. furthermore, there seems to be latency correction for other jack apps, if they report it. hope this helps. is the jack implementation in pd reporting the latency? Thanks for taking the time for this. Lorenzo ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] A present
Quoting Matteo Sisti Sette matteosistise...@gmail.com: Hi, I think I've found out why your game doesn't work for me. There is a [wrap -4 4] object somewhere, which I guess is used to wrap the snake's position around the screen. seems to be zexy's [wrap] which allows you to take 2 arguments to wrap between However, [wrap -4 4] behaves exactly the same as [wrap]. seems to be vanilla's [wrap] which ignores all arguments and always wraps between [0, 1). I have PD Vanilla 0.42.4 and IIRC [wrap] is relatively recent. Maybe there is an abstraction or object in PD Extended older than the introduction of [wrap] in vanilla, and this object accepted creation arguments to change its range? and it is this object you are using? should be fairly simple to write an abstraction that wraps vanilla's [wrap] into the zexy version. basically you have to do a transformation to map the range -4..4 into 0..1 for the input of vanilla's [wrap] and the other way round for the output. consult your secondary school's math textbooks for a solution to the problem. fgasdmr IOhannes This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. binSOx6jMjP7Q.bin Description: Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] How to installing externals??
Quoting Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: - Use Pd-extended 0.41.4 is fftease included with this version, or is this just a general advice? - .d_fat should be deprecated, use .pd_darwin for all arches on Mac OS X. or post a feature request to make Pd-extended acknowledge .d_fat, in order to stay compatible with Pd-vanilla (or start a flamewar on suffixes) mfgasdr IOhannes This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. binpb8WYyPJh7.bin Description: Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Finding the highest number
Hi, Andrew, I would do it this way: #N canvas 441 374 450 300 10; #X floatatom 140 3 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 140 81 moses; #X floatatom 209 84 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 172 27 sel; #X msg 172 54 0; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X connect 0 0 3 0; #X connect 1 1 2 0; #X connect 2 0 1 1; #X connect 3 0 4 0; #X connect 4 0 1 1; #X connect 4 0 2 0; The simplest method I've found yet :) В Срд, 23/12/2009 в 13:09 +, Andrew Faraday пишет: Hey All I'm looking for a way to find the highest figure in a stream of input. In this case to find the top score in a little game I'm working on. I need a system that will remain on the highest number inputted until it's increased or reset to 0. It should be simple but I'm struggling, any suggestions? Andrew __ Have more than one Hotmail account? Link them together to easily access both. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Alexey Reshetnikov, Izhevsk, Russia ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] How to installing externals??
I have same problem, but tell search path right location it works: ~Library/Pd/xxx ... because PD is not searching in any subfolder. It would be great if it works. I am a guy just coming von MAX/MSP 4.5 and want to hack into PD. Best willi -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: jurgen noise@gmail.com Gesendet: 25.12.09 19:56:35 An: Jaime Oliver jaime.oliv...@gmail.com CC: PDlist pd-list@iem.at, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net Betreff: Re: [PD] How to installing externals?? I apologize for my ignorance but putting externals into the default folder under OS X never worked for me, neither under OS X.4 nor OS X.6. I just tried it again - copying the additional libs from '/anywhere' on my disk into /Library/Pd and taking them off my Preferences/Path makes them unavailable. I assume there is something else that the user needs to do that I am not aware of. I personally find the fftease stuff very useful, also the pdmtl lib. There are also some very nice things by Thomas Grill which are not included in the Pd-extended material. Best Jurgen On Dec 26, 2009, at 1:21 AM, Jaime Oliver wrote: and *.d_fat in osx10.6 On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: With Pd-extended, you just need to drop the externals (*.dll on Windows, *.pd_linux on GNU/Linux, or *.pd_darwin on Mac OS X) into the right folder, then they'll be available. You don't need to set any path. Here's where: http://puredata.info/docs/faq/how-do-i-install-externals-and-help-files-with-pd-extended .hc On Dec 24, 2009, at 8:44 AM, cyrille henry wrote: hello, no, pd does not look in subfolder. put your file somwhere, start pd then file/path/ add your path than save all settings... what do you mean by converted to pd externals? do you have source that you need to compile? Cyrille saut...@web.de a écrit : Hi Cyrille, I tried to install wilib. All files from wiilib are on my machine, but dint work, because it has to be convertet to PD externals. Do PD also searching in Subfloders, like MAX? Thanks, willi -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: cyrille henry c...@chnry.net Gesendet: 24.12.09 17:12:45 An: saut...@web.de CC: pd-list@iem.at Betreff: Re: [PD] How to installing externals?? hello, this page look outdated : cvs is not used anymore. if you use pd extended, then you'll already have lot's of externals... what do you need to install? Cyrille saut...@web.de a écrit : Hallo an alle, PD 41.1 extended on MacOS 1.4. CVS client --- not Terminal ...?? Where to get and exact name? All operation described in tutorial How to installing externals (http://puredata.info/Members/jb/ext-doc#CVS)need this specific CVS programm? Thankx for help on Xmas - with time to check it out. willi ___ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate für nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list __ GRATIS für alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://movieflat.web.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list All information should be free. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Jaime E Oliver LR joliv...@ucsd.edu www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver www-crca.ucsd.edu/ www.realidadvisual.org 858 750 0924 (cel) 858 202 1522 (home) 9168 Regents Rd. Apt. G La Jolla, CA 92037 USA ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Preisknaller: WEB.DE DSL Flatrate für nur 16,99 Euro/mtl.! http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] How to installing externals??
ahhh... extended yes. the subject fooled me. I have my externals in the extra folder or in a project subfolder with a nice declare object. J 2009/12/25 zmoel...@iem.at: Quoting Jaime Oliver jaime.oliv...@gmail.com: and *.d_fat in osx10.6 since when does Pd-extended load .d_fat externals? fmgasdr IOhannes This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Jaime E Oliver LR joliv...@ucsd.edu www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver www-crca.ucsd.edu/ www.realidadvisual.org 858 750 0924 (cel) 858 202 1522 (home) 9168 Regents Rd. Apt. G La Jolla, CA 92037 USA ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM: writing an arbitrary blend function (glsl)?
vade escribió: I would highly suggest doing a render to texture so you can post process your scene or mix with multi-textures. You can also do fun things Sure, it's a pity that I haven't done it like that from the beginning, but now, the patch is pretty complex (and already has a few gemframebuffers) and that would represent a serious re-patching. As for difference, Im pretty sure you *can* do that blend mode, Yeah, I only need the most basic blend modes for this application, and indeed the only one I haven't found how to achieve is the so-called difference (i.e. abs(source-dest)) and I almost can't believe I can't do it without rendering to textures. -- Matteo Sisti Sette matteosistise...@gmail.com http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] A present
zmoel...@iem.at a écrit : ... should be fairly simple to write an abstraction that wraps vanilla's [wrap] into the zexy version. wrap is problematic, because if you use the zexy version, and then use your patch on an other computer without zexy : you will not have any warning and your patch may not work. usually, you have an error because of missing object... cyrille basically you have to do a transformation to map the range -4..4 into 0..1 for the input of vanilla's [wrap] and the other way round for the output. consult your secondary school's math textbooks for a solution to the problem. fgasdmr IOhannes This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] A present
Quoting cyrille henry c...@chnry.net: zmoel...@iem.at a écrit : ... should be fairly simple to write an abstraction that wraps vanilla's [wrap] into the zexy version. wrap is problematic, because if you use the zexy version, and then use your patch on an other computer without zexy : you will not have any warning and your patch may not work. i know,l but i cannot do anything short of rolling back the time. usually, you have an error because of missing object... i would suggest that the vanilla [wrap] should refuse to create (or at least throw a serious warning) when it is invoked with arguments. or even better: the vanilla wrap would just clone the behaviour of zexy's wrap. while the code for it is right now GPL, i would consider dual-licensing it under BSD in order to get it into vanilla :-) fgamsdr IOhannes fgmar IOhannes This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. binjH6H1UsZMJ.bin Description: Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] A present
I'd probably got for adding arguments to the Vanilla version of [wrap], even though it's quite simple arithmetic to work it up there's no reason not to change that. Particularly if it keeps it's current settings as defaults. Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:29:48 +0100 From: zmoel...@iem.at To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] A present Quoting cyrille henry c...@chnry.net: zmoel...@iem.at a écrit : ... should be fairly simple to write an abstraction that wraps vanilla's [wrap] into the zexy version. wrap is problematic, because if you use the zexy version, and then use your patch on an other computer without zexy : you will not have any warning and your patch may not work. i know,l but i cannot do anything short of rolling back the time. usually, you have an error because of missing object... i would suggest that the vanilla [wrap] should refuse to create (or at least throw a serious warning) when it is invoked with arguments. or even better: the vanilla wrap would just clone the behaviour of zexy's wrap. while the code for it is right now GPL, i would consider dual-licensing it under BSD in order to get it into vanilla :-) fgamsdr IOhannes fgmar IOhannes This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. _ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] A present
zmoel...@iem.at a écrit : Quoting cyrille henry c...@chnry.net: zmoel...@iem.at a écrit : ... should be fairly simple to write an abstraction that wraps vanilla's [wrap] into the zexy version. wrap is problematic, because if you use the zexy version, and then use your patch on an other computer without zexy : you will not have any warning and your patch may not work. i know,l but i cannot do anything short of rolling back the time. usually, you have an error because of missing object... i would suggest that the vanilla [wrap] should refuse to create (or at least throw a serious warning) when it is invoked with arguments. or even better: the vanilla wrap would just clone the behaviour of zexy's wrap. while the code for it is right now GPL, i would consider dual-licensing it under BSD in order to get it into vanilla :-) and loby miller so that he accept it. c fgamsdr IOhannes fgmar IOhannes This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] How to installing externals??
On Dec 26, 2009, at 3:36 AM, zmoel...@iem.at wrote: Quoting Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: - Use Pd-extended 0.41.4 is fftease included with this version, or is this just a general advice? get it here, as a libdir: http://puredata.info/Members/hans/FFTeaseBuilds - .d_fat should be deprecated, use .pd_darwin for all arches on Mac OS X. or post a feature request to make Pd-extended acknowledge .d_fat, in order to stay compatible with Pd-vanilla (or start a flamewar on suffixes) Patches welcome. But if you name externals for Mac OS X as *.pd_darwin, they will just work everywhere. .hc mfgasdr IOhannes This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. mime-attachment___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone. --Bjarne Stroustrup (creator of C++) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [wrap] behavior, zexy vs. vanilla 0.42
Hey all, I was just looking at Pd 0.42.5's [wrap]. It doesn't use arguments like zexy's [wrap]. Since each has different behavior, it seems like a good time to look at how [wrap] should handle its upper and lower limits. Since [wrap] is closely related to [clip], it should be structured the same way, in terms of arguments and inlets: - first arg sets min - second arg set max - first inlet accepts numbers to wrap - second inlet sets min - third inlet sets max - arguments default to 0 and 1 zexy's is the same as this, except for the inlets. .hc News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] A present
On Dec 26, 2009, at 1:29 PM, zmoel...@iem.at wrote: Quoting cyrille henry c...@chnry.net: zmoel...@iem.at a écrit : ... should be fairly simple to write an abstraction that wraps vanilla's [wrap] into the zexy version. wrap is problematic, because if you use the zexy version, and then use your patch on an other computer without zexy : you will not have any warning and your patch may not work. i know,l but i cannot do anything short of rolling back the time. usually, you have an error because of missing object... i would suggest that the vanilla [wrap] should refuse to create (or at least throw a serious warning) when it is invoked with arguments. or even better: the vanilla wrap would just clone the behaviour of zexy's wrap. while the code for it is right now GPL, i would consider dual- licensing it under BSD in order to get it into vanilla :-) zexy's [wrap] gets it wrong by having only two inlets and using a list to set the min/max. [wrap] is very similar to [clip], so it should have the same interface for the args and inlets. zexy's [wrap] has the same arg structure, but not the same inlet structure. See my other email for a complete proposal, [wrap], zexy vs. vanilla. .hc fgamsdr IOhannes fgmar IOhannes This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. mime-attachment___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Re: [PD] How to installing externals??
To me the point is not about file formats but rather simpler about locations in OS X. If the .pd_darwin document is actually compiled for the processor one uses it will work, no doubt. What I noticed that does not work is the default folders mentioned in the on-line documentation, i.e. for global use in '/Library/Pd'. After I read the instructions online I tried it again - when I delete the path in the preferences and drop the libs in there they are _not_ available any longer (red dotted boxes). Reversing the operation and they're back. I noticed this under OS X.4 and under OS X.6 that I'm using now. My conclusion was that the user needs to do something else when the default locations '/Library/Pd' are used that I am not aware of. Best Jurgen On Dec 27, 2009, at 9:40 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 26, 2009, at 3:36 AM, zmoel...@iem.at wrote: Quoting Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: - Use Pd-extended 0.41.4 is fftease included with this version, or is this just a general advice? get it here, as a libdir: http://puredata.info/Members/hans/FFTeaseBuilds - .d_fat should be deprecated, use .pd_darwin for all arches on Mac OS X. or post a feature request to make Pd-extended acknowledge .d_fat, in order to stay compatible with Pd-vanilla (or start a flamewar on suffixes) Patches welcome. But if you name externals for Mac OS X as *.pd_darwin, they will just work everywhere. .hc mfgasdr IOhannes This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. mime-attachment___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone. --Bjarne Stroustrup (creator of C++) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] super-fun and don't ask me
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