Re: [PD] wii controller

2010-05-28 Thread Ricardo Dueñas Parada
Hey, nice thread, I just want to know if the Wii Motion Plus improves
the sensing of the wiimote using it directly from pd, or if it just
does it with the wii console.

Thanks.

Ricardo


On 28 May 2010 18:21, Greg Pond  wrote:
> All that has been said is true but I have used this combination of osculator
> and pd, messages sent via OSC and midi using a number of gui objects and
> inputs from other devices simultaneously with no major latency problems. Am
> away from internet connection I can use to forward patches  but can do so
> next Wednesday if you still need, using extended on mac os x 10.5
>
> On May 28, 2010 3:59 PM, "Andrew Faraday"  wrote:
>
> Yeah, this is probably the problem. For some reason GUI objects seem to eat
> up a large amount of CPU usage. Once you've asserted just what input you're
> getting (Wiimote tends to come between 0 and 1) remove any number boxes,
> sliders, etc which are displaying your wiimote input. If you need this then
> you could display the data through GEM, which for some reason uses less
> processing power
> Andrew
>
>> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:59:17 -0400
>> From: martin.pe...@sympatico.ca
>> To: scos...@telus.net
>> CC: pd-list@iem.at
>> Subject: Re: [PD] wii controller
>
>>
>> Simon Cossar wrote:
>> > Hello list - I'm trying to control pd (0.41.4) with a wiimote and
>> > nunc...
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Re: [PD] wii controller

2010-05-28 Thread Greg Pond
All that has been said is true but I have used this combination of osculator
and pd, messages sent via OSC and midi using a number of gui objects and
inputs from other devices simultaneously with no major latency problems. Am
away from internet connection I can use to forward patches  but can do so
next Wednesday if you still need, using extended on mac os x 10.5

On May 28, 2010 3:59 PM, "Andrew Faraday"  wrote:

 Yeah, this is probably the problem. For some reason GUI objects seem to eat
up a large amount of CPU usage. Once you've asserted just what input you're
getting (Wiimote tends to come between 0 and 1) remove any number boxes,
sliders, etc which are displaying your wiimote input. If you need this then
you could display the data through GEM, which for some reason uses less
processing power

Andrew

> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:59:17 -0400
> From: martin.pe...@sympatico.ca
> To: scos...@telus.net
> CC: pd-list@iem.at
> Subject: Re: [PD] wii controller


>
> Simon Cossar wrote:
> > Hello list - I'm trying to control pd (0.41.4) with a wiimote and
nunc...

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Re: [PD] wii controller

2010-05-28 Thread Andrew Faraday

Yeah, this is probably the problem. For some reason GUI objects seem to eat up 
a large amount of CPU usage. Once you've asserted just what input you're 
getting (Wiimote tends to come between 0 and 1) remove any number boxes, 
sliders, etc which are displaying your wiimote input. If you need this then you 
could display the data through GEM, which for some reason uses less processing 
power
Andrew

> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:59:17 -0400
> From: martin.pe...@sympatico.ca
> To: scos...@telus.net
> CC: pd-list@iem.at
> Subject: Re: [PD] wii controller
> 
> Simon Cossar wrote:
> > Hello list - I'm trying to control pd (0.41.4) with a wiimote and nunchuk. 
> > I'm routing the wiimote through Osculator, then using [import mrpeach] 
> > [udpreceive 9000] [unpackOSC] and a series of routeOSC objects. With 
> > Osculator running, the graphics in the main pd window slow right down - it 
> > becomes difficult to create objects, make connections etc. There is a 
> > fairly long lag in the signal from the wiimote. Is there anything obvious 
> > that I'm doing wrong?
> 
> 
> Probably the data is coming in too fast for Pd's GUI to keep up.
> I would find out how many messages are arriving per second and see if it 
> needs to be that fast.
> Usually making the patch window as small as possible will reduce the 
> amount of updating needed, also reducing the number and/or size of 
> graphic elements that respond to incoming messages.
> Using [print] to display reams of incoming data will usually lock up the 
> GUI, although you will eventually (many minutes later) regain control if 
> you stop the source.
> 
> Martin
> 
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Re: [PD] [pdpcap] Puredata network sniffer object

2010-05-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


On May 23, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Jordi Sala wrote:


Hello,

I need some help...sorry..

I've finished the new version of pdpcap, with the Makefile Template  
(it's so good!!). There are no warnings, new functions like data  
visualization, etc...
I've included de debian folder, I modifified the files to adapt to  
pdpcap, but, how can I build de .deb?
Today I'm going to try it in a windows machine, but I can't try it  
in a MAC,


You need to build the .deb in the standard Debian way, search for a  
HOWTO.  Basically, you run the command 'debuild' once you have  
everything setup.


And another question, to include pdpcap to pd externals repository,  
I've to be developer? so, if you are developer, could you include it ?


If you want to use the pure-data SVN, you just need to announce  
yourself to the pd-dev list.  Search the archives of that list for  
examples of other introductions.  I think it would be easier for you  
to just setup a project of your own.


.hc


Thanks a lot for your time!!

Jordi



On 18 May 2010 20:13, Hans-Christoph Steiner  wrote:

Also, I included some small changes to the C file to make it easier  
to build on Mac OS X.  I didn't get it built yet though...  but that  
can happen later after things are working well on GNU/Linux.


.hc


On May 18, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Jordi Sala wrote:

ok thanks a lot!
I'm finishing the object, so in the first version, the info captured
and sent to the outlets was the most basic information of a network
packet. I'm going to look your tarball, and I will look the new
makefile template. Thanks! Is my first object, so for sure there is a
lot of "rules" and details that I have forgotten...

I tell you something..

Jordi

On 18 May 2010 19:14, Hans-Christoph Steiner  wrote:

Sounds like some fun stuff, I think there could be a lot of  
potential with
this.  I played with it a bit, and since I am neck deep in the new  
Makefile

template, I threw your code into it.  This gives you lots of stuff
automatically, like 'make dist' to make a versioned tarball and  
builds on

other platforms.

http://puredata.info/docs/developer/MakefileTemplate

Here's my tarball



.hc

On May 17, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Jordi Sala wrote:

Hi,

I've done my first patch: pdpcap. It's a network sniffer external
object for pd. It uses libpcap to capture and analyze network traffic.

download->
http://musa.poperbu.net/component/option,com_docman/task,doc_download/gid,35/Itemid,26/

A simple example that shows traffic captured with gem:
http://vimeo.com/11816669

Screenshot: http://musa.poperbu.net/images/pdpcap/pdpcap_help.png

Any comment or idea will be a help for me! (I'm not a programmer, so I
suposse the code can
be much better..)

Jordi

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Re: [PD] Pd on Maemo N900

2010-05-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


Try the pd-mobile branch, I integrated the ESD code from PD-anywhere  
into it, its Pd-vanilla, more or less:


https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/branches/by-author/eighthave/pd-mobile-0.43

.hc

On May 27, 2010, at 2:30 AM, Koray Tahiroglu wrote:


Hi Olivier,

I did compile alsa in Maemo SDK Xephyr, next I will try it with N900  
and make it work with PDa, seems like Jack will require more time to  
work on it in Maemo, I will post the results later on.


Koray

On May 26, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Olivier Heinry wrote:


Hello Koray,
starting pd from a chrooted debian results in the same (no audio)  
be it jack or alsa.

++
OH

Koray Tahiroglu wrote:
I finally  made Pd-anywhere (PDa) to work on Maemo N900, there is  
still a problem with the audio (device), I guess mostly it is  
libesd, but first I will try to work on compiling Pd-vanilla, as  
most of the dependencies are already compiled. I will document it  
later if I have a success in audio :)


Koray

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Re: [PD] wii controller

2010-05-28 Thread Martin Peach

Simon Cossar wrote:

Hello list - I'm trying to control pd (0.41.4) with a wiimote and nunchuk. I'm 
routing the wiimote through Osculator, then using [import mrpeach] [udpreceive 
9000] [unpackOSC] and a series of routeOSC objects. With Osculator running, the 
graphics in the main pd window slow right down - it becomes difficult to create 
objects, make connections etc. There is a fairly long lag in the signal from 
the wiimote. Is there anything obvious that I'm doing wrong?



Probably the data is coming in too fast for Pd's GUI to keep up.
I would find out how many messages are arriving per second and see if it 
needs to be that fast.
Usually making the patch window as small as possible will reduce the 
amount of updating needed, also reducing the number and/or size of 
graphic elements that respond to incoming messages.
Using [print] to display reams of incoming data will usually lock up the 
GUI, although you will eventually (many minutes later) regain control if 
you stop the source.


Martin


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[PD] wii controller

2010-05-28 Thread Simon Cossar
Hello list - I'm trying to control pd (0.41.4) with a wiimote and nunchuk. I'm 
routing the wiimote through Osculator, then using [import mrpeach] [udpreceive 
9000] [unpackOSC] and a series of routeOSC objects. With Osculator running, the 
graphics in the main pd window slow right down - it becomes difficult to create 
objects, make connections etc. There is a fairly long lag in the signal from 
the wiimote. Is there anything obvious that I'm doing wrong?
Simon
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Re: [PD] Problem to compile playlist from unauthorized

2010-05-28 Thread ydego...@gmail.com

Jack wrote:

Hello list, hello Yves,

I am trying to compile the external 'playlist' from 'unauthorized' and
get some troubles after a 'make' :

./tk2c.bash < playlist.tk > playlist.tk2c
gcc -DPD -DUNIX -O2 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall -W
-Wno-shadow -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses -Wno-switch
-Werror -g "-I/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src" -o playlist.o -c playlist.c
In file included from playlist.c:42:
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:51: error: redefinition of ‘struct
_updateheader’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:55: error: conflicting types for
‘t_updateheader’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:55: note: previous declaration of
‘t_updateheader’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:58: error: redefinition of typedef
‘t_glistmotionfn’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:58: note: previous declaration of
‘t_glistmotionfn’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:59: error: redefinition of typedef
‘t_glistkeyfn’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:59: note: previous declaration of
‘t_glistkeyfn’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:80: error: redefinition of ‘struct
_selection’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:83: error: conflicting types for
‘t_selection’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:83: note: previous declaration of
‘t_selection’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:87: error: redefinition of ‘struct
_editor’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:111: error: conflicting types for
‘t_editor’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:111: note: previous declaration of
‘t_editor’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:125: error: redefinition of ‘struct
_arrayvis’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:128: error: conflicting types for
‘t_arrayvis’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:128: note: previous declaration of
‘t_arrayvis’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:133: error: redefinition of ‘struct
_tick’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:137: error: conflicting types for
‘t_tick’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:137: note: previous declaration of
‘t_tick’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:145: error: redefinition of ‘struct
_glist’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:199: error: redefinition of ‘struct
_dataslot’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:203: error: conflicting types for
‘t_dataslot’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:203: note: previous declaration of
‘t_dataslot’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:206: error: redefinition of ‘struct
_template’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:212: error: conflicting types for
‘t_template’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:212: note: previous declaration of
‘t_template’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:215: error: redefinition of ‘struct
_array’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:227: error: redefinition of ‘struct
_linetraverser’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:242: error: conflicting types for
‘t_linetraverser’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:242: note: previous declaration of
‘t_linetraverser’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:250: error: conflicting types for
‘t_getrectfn’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:250: note: previous declaration of
‘t_getrectfn’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:253: error: conflicting types for
‘t_displacefn’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:253: note: previous declaration of
‘t_displacefn’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:255: error: conflicting types for
‘t_selectfn’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:255: note: previous declaration of
‘t_selectfn’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:257: error: conflicting types for
‘t_activatefn’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:257: note: previous declaration of
‘t_activatefn’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:259: error: conflicting types for
‘t_deletefn’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:259: note: previous declaration of
‘t_deletefn’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:261: error: conflicting types for
‘t_visfn’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:261: note: previous declaration of
‘t_visfn’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:263: error: conflicting types for
‘t_clickfn’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:263: note: previous declaration of
‘t_clickfn’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:268: error: redefinition of ‘struct
_widgetbehavior’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:288: error: conflicting types for
‘t_parentgetrectfn’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:288: note: previous declaration of
‘t_parentgetrectfn’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:292: error: conflicting types for
‘t_parentdisplacefn’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:292: note: previous declaration of
‘t_parentdisplacefn’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:296: error: conflicting types for
‘t_parentselectfn’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:296: note: previous declaration of
‘t_parentselectfn’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:300: error: conflicting types for
‘t_parentactivatefn’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:300: not

[PD] Problem to compile playlist from unauthorized

2010-05-28 Thread Jack
Hello list, hello Yves,

I am trying to compile the external 'playlist' from 'unauthorized' and
get some troubles after a 'make' :

./tk2c.bash < playlist.tk > playlist.tk2c
gcc -DPD -DUNIX -O2 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall -W
-Wno-shadow -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses -Wno-switch
-Werror -g "-I/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src" -o playlist.o -c playlist.c
In file included from playlist.c:42:
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:51: error: redefinition of ‘struct
_updateheader’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:55: error: conflicting types for
‘t_updateheader’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:55: note: previous declaration of
‘t_updateheader’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:58: error: redefinition of typedef
‘t_glistmotionfn’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:58: note: previous declaration of
‘t_glistmotionfn’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:59: error: redefinition of typedef
‘t_glistkeyfn’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:59: note: previous declaration of
‘t_glistkeyfn’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:80: error: redefinition of ‘struct
_selection’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:83: error: conflicting types for
‘t_selection’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:83: note: previous declaration of
‘t_selection’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:87: error: redefinition of ‘struct
_editor’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:111: error: conflicting types for
‘t_editor’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:111: note: previous declaration of
‘t_editor’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:125: error: redefinition of ‘struct
_arrayvis’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:128: error: conflicting types for
‘t_arrayvis’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:128: note: previous declaration of
‘t_arrayvis’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:133: error: redefinition of ‘struct
_tick’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:137: error: conflicting types for
‘t_tick’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:137: note: previous declaration of
‘t_tick’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:145: error: redefinition of ‘struct
_glist’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:199: error: redefinition of ‘struct
_dataslot’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:203: error: conflicting types for
‘t_dataslot’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:203: note: previous declaration of
‘t_dataslot’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:206: error: redefinition of ‘struct
_template’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:212: error: conflicting types for
‘t_template’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:212: note: previous declaration of
‘t_template’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:215: error: redefinition of ‘struct
_array’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:227: error: redefinition of ‘struct
_linetraverser’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:242: error: conflicting types for
‘t_linetraverser’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:242: note: previous declaration of
‘t_linetraverser’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:250: error: conflicting types for
‘t_getrectfn’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:250: note: previous declaration of
‘t_getrectfn’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:253: error: conflicting types for
‘t_displacefn’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:253: note: previous declaration of
‘t_displacefn’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:255: error: conflicting types for
‘t_selectfn’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:255: note: previous declaration of
‘t_selectfn’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:257: error: conflicting types for
‘t_activatefn’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:257: note: previous declaration of
‘t_activatefn’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:259: error: conflicting types for
‘t_deletefn’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:259: note: previous declaration of
‘t_deletefn’ was here
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/g_canvas.h:261: error: conflicting types for
‘t_visfn’
/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src/m_imp.h:261: note: previous declaration of
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Re: [PD]

2010-05-28 Thread Jose Luis Santorcuato
GEM.GEM

Best regards

José

2010/5/28 Jose Luis Santorcuato 

> Oh my god.. its a miracle...other step for pd congratulations
>
>
> Best-best regards from Chile
>
> José
>
> 2010/5/28 Lorenzo 
>
> Very interesting work! The concept of a pd html 'element' for general
>> 'sound generation' on the web is great!
>> Keep it up.
>> Lorenzo
>>
>> PS: I'm sure you also know about this (unfortunately pretty dead):
>> http://www.dtic.upf.edu/~malonso/pdplugin/
>>
>>
>>  
>>>
>>> For sound you will want these builds of Firefox:
>>> 
>>>
>>> Source code:
>>> Mailing list:
>>>
>>> No promises. Patches welcome!
>>>
>>> Chris.
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Re: [PD]

2010-05-28 Thread Jose Luis Santorcuato
Oh my god.. its a miracle...other step for pd congratulations


Best-best regards from Chile

José

2010/5/28 Lorenzo 

> Very interesting work! The concept of a pd html 'element' for general
> 'sound generation' on the web is great!
> Keep it up.
> Lorenzo
>
> PS: I'm sure you also know about this (unfortunately pretty dead):
> http://www.dtic.upf.edu/~malonso/pdplugin/
>
>
>  
>>
>> For sound you will want these builds of Firefox:
>> 
>>
>> Source code:
>> Mailing list:
>>
>> No promises. Patches welcome!
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>> ---
>> http://mccormick.cx
>>
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