[PD] Random parameters of an abtraction affect the parameters of the others

[punchik punchik]

hello, what would be the best approach for this in pd?
I have i patch that generates dynamically abstraccions, when each abstraction 
is 
created it begin to make sound in a random way : its parameters moves randomly.
I was wondering what would be the best approach if i want that the random 
behaivor of each abstraction affect the random behaivors of the other 
abstractions?

Any ideas on this?
what would be the best approach?


Punchik



  

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Re: [PD] how to create a sound like this?

[Andy Farnell]

You could approximate it with an additive
method, and a bit of noise to help.
see patch

a.

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 16:22:03 -0700
ronni montoya  wrote:

> hello list, i was wondering how can i create a sound like this?
> Do you have any idea of how to simulate this kind of sounds?
> 
> any idea would be aprreciated
> 
> 
> thanks
> 
> http://ompldr.org/vNWx4NA/.wav
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[PD] hi

[punchik punchik]

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Re: [PD] jMax Phoenix

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Sep 21, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:


On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Maurizio De Cecco wrote:

Given the fact that jMax slept a few years, it cannot compete with  
puredata in terms of available libraries, patches, and in general  
maturity of the solution.


No, it wasn't in this order : first it already couldn't compete with  
PureData, AND THEN jMax 4 appeared, which finished killing it, as  
the API was all different and no-one bothered porting externals to  
it (well, I tried, and I had to give up because some features had  
been removed from jMax). By the time the project was called dead,  
everybody had already switched to Pd or was in the process of doing  
so.


6) The language: jMax support the use of expressions in object  
definition, like in | int ( 10 + $foo) | so that objects in  
abstractions can be parametrised with respect to the arguments.


I gave up jMax because this feature was introduced. This is because  
it removed the possibility to pass an arithmetic operator as an  
argument. It was a showstopper for me.


I agree for different reasons.  This syntax does seem overly  
complicated and takes away from one of the things I like best about  
the Max paradigm: really simple syntax.


.hc




the 0.6 beta release; it does not mention the Max OS X version,  
that was not ready at the time.


You too write "Max OS X" instead of "Mac OS X" ? Is this a virus you  
caught from Miller ? ;)


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Re: [PD] sssad in pd-extended?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Sep 21, 2010, at 6:43 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:


On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

As for alternate ways of including things besides libdirs, there  
are lots of kludges currently in Pd-extended.  I've been spending a  
lot of my time maintaining them.  I'm working on reducing  
maintenance time so I can actually spend time coding new things.   
So far, only a couple people have a track record of actually  
maintaining code in Pd-extended without me needing to get involved  
(Martin Peach, Matju, Roman, IOhannes, I'm probably missing someone).


I don't have any externals in pd-extended, nor in SourceForge.

Which code are you talking about ?



What I mean is that you have gotten gridflow to work something like a  
libdir without me having to fix it.  Personally I'd like to see it  
more like a libdir.


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Re: [PD] panning abstraction or object?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

That should be pretty straightforward to make with an object from the  
'pan' library included in Pd-extended and a separate moses control.   
You'll just need to do a big of math to get the scaling for the right  
ranges.


.hc

On Sep 22, 2010, at 1:43 AM, ronni montoya wrote:

Hi list, i was wondering if theres an abstraccion or object like  
this in pd:

I need a pan object that when is -1 is complete silence and when is +1
is complete silence too.
when the value begins to move from -1 to +1  the sound begins to
appear in the left speaker then it moves to the right and then the
amplitude decreases in the right speaker until it arrives to +1.
Is there something like this in pd?


thanks in advance.

R.

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[PD] panning abstraction or object?

[ronni montoya]

Hi list, i was wondering if theres an abstraccion or object like this in pd:
I need a pan object that when is -1 is complete silence and when is +1
is complete silence too.
when the value begins to move from -1 to +1  the sound begins to
appear in the left speaker then it moves to the right and then the
amplitude decreases in the right speaker until it arrives to +1.
Is there something like this in pd?


thanks in advance.

R.

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Re: [PD] svn co ...documentation

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

How about I write it in an email, and you try it.  If it works for  
you, add it to those wiki pages with the fresh newbie's perspective.


I think this should work:

svn co --username myname 
https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/

* --username is your sourceforge username
* it must be httpS when you are doing it writable

.hc

On Sep 21, 2010, at 8:56 PM, august wrote:



Hi,

I just spent about 30-40 minutes trying to figure out how to get a
writable svn checkout.

Is there any way someone could add that info to one of the multiple
pages that try to instruct you to get the source?

http://puredata.info/docs/developer/GettingPdSource
http://puredata.info/docs/developer/SourceRepositories
http://puredata.info/docs/developer/SVNCommitAccess

For developers like myself who only make occasional commits,
something like this would really help.   There are too many version
control systems and frameworks to remember how to do everything,
everywhere.  A few simple command line examples would really help.

thank you -august.

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Re: [PD] the Pope likes Pd-extended 0.42.5

[jm jones]

2010/9/21 Hans-Christoph Steiner :

> I wonder what buddhists and hindus do in Germany.  Its a common symbol in
> Buddhism and Hinduism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
>
> Banning symbols is a silly thing to do, IMHO.  The swastika was not the
> problem, it was what people did.  Bans just make people believe they are
> doing something useful instead of actually working on the problem.
>
> Guess we should switch to pd-ot...
>
> .hc
>

+1000

The swastika is not only related to the Eastern tradition, very old
swastikas were find in Europe too (paleolithic). In the esoteric
tradition, is one of the more important symbols.



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Re: [PD] the Pope likes swatikas (utf-8) in Pd-extended 0.42.5

[João Pais]

but using the swatiska ( and the slastika ) precisely when you criticize  
it

is also forbidden?? that's where the problem stands...
forbidding things just _attract_ people to it...


I don't know the law that well. but it's normal to see punks antifa with  
this on their back  
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_O2iB5xy9Vio/SUPKED-_xpI/ACE/wthZTXBnbu8/S220/Anti-Nazi.gif
Here's a small resume, more details in the german page:  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Germany. according to the article,  
even the law was a bit dumb, until they eventually got it right




second, if skinheads offer me some beers, it's ok...
they're all like wasted children you know...


as soon as they hear your accent, don't know if they'll be that wasted.  
they look quite awake here  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqP4ZQGqi7M&feature=related (this is from  
2006)


last year, just 10m walk from here, a guy was beaten down in the subway,  
in the centre of berlin.  
http://www.trend.infopartisan.net/trd7809/t497809.html (first news).


fortunately everytime they try a nazi demonstration, there's a antidemo  
with 100x more people.


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Re: [PD] comment connection

[Jonathan Wilkes]

--- On Wed, 9/22/10, Mathieu Bouchard  wrote:

> From: Mathieu Bouchard 
> Subject: Re: [PD] comment connection
> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" 
> Cc: "Ed Kelly" , "PD List" 
> Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 1:49 AM
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Jonathan Wilkes
> wrote:
> 
> > Please define what you would consider an incentive (as
> opposed to what you call a detail).  I bet I'll be able
> to come up with at least five.
> 
> Well, first come with at least five things you'd like to do
> with comments modifiable like the messageboxes are, and
> we'll talk about that.

Five Things I'd do with Modifiable Comments:

1. Print the current Pd and Tcl version in a patch.  If I use 
pddp/print then it's not cuttable/pastable, if I use msg box 
it makes it look like clicking it does something, and if I use 
[entry] it will be buggy, because [entry] is buggy.

2. Dynamic multi-line text in a gop subpatch.

3. Interactive comments that follow user action for a tutorial.  
You can currently do this with dynamic patching but eventually 
you run out of space or have to do a GOP canvas and keep clearing 
it.  (Again you could use a msg box but the border and visible 
xlets are distracting.)

4. Not have to rely on [cnv] labels-- which look different on 
different platforms like with [output~]-- for dynamic GUI labels.
(Comments look different too, but not by such a large margin.)

5. Dynamic ascii art without the distraction of the msg box 
border.

There's also the separate matter of having the choice of font 
size/style, which can make a patch more readable.  (I use 
cyclone/comment for the terms in the Pd glossary for that reason.)

-Jonathan


  

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Re: [PD] pdp_theonice on ubuntu lucid: Video streaming problem

[ydego...@gmail.com]

bis repetita :

nah, it's false problem i think...

giss.tv ( which i admin also ) had some problems today,
try again tomorrow

saludos,
sevy



Nick Burge wrote:
Trying to connect to giss.tv with the pidip patch: giss-pdp-dv.pd I 
get this...


pdp_theonice~ : connection thread -1339835536 launched
pdp_theonice~: connecting to port 8001
pdp_theonice~: logged in to source.giss.tv
pdp_theonice~: connecting child -1339835536 exiting
pdp_theonice~ : initializing encoder...
pdp_theonice~ : encoder initialized.
pdp_theonice~ : writing headers...
pdp_theonice~ : start streaming at 7 frames/second
status: 1
pdp_theonice~ : could not write audio packet (ret=-1).
pdp_theonice~ : shutting down encoder
pdp_theonice~ : could not write audio packet (ret=-1).
pdp_theonice~ : could not write audio packet (ret=-1).
status: 0


The audio patch giss-pdp-ogg.pd works fine, also
I seem to connect OK and have been able to stream video + audio to the 
same server using the application Theorur


be nice to be able to do this from pd though.is there a way to 
change the encoder?


Nick.


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Re: [PD] the Pope likes swatikas (utf-8) in Pd-extended 0.42.5

[ydego...@gmail.com]

but using the swatiska ( and the slastika ) precisely when you criticize it
is also forbidden?? that's where the problem stands...
forbidding things just _attract_ people to it...

second, if skinheads offer me some beers, it's ok...
they're all like wasted children you know...

it's not OT, the subject can change to ...
"the Pope likes swatikas (utf-8) in Pd-extended 0.42.5"

ciao,
sevy

João Pais wrote:
considering the conotations to that symbol in recent history, it's a 
bit naive to say that it's related to budhism etc anymore. at least 
not to anyone who isn't a budhist.


try going to germany and walking around with a t-shirt with that. the 
least that can happen to you is to go to jail. if you go to a 
neighborhood where a group of punks is chilling, you might not make it 
alive. (except in some cities in the east, then they'll offer you beer 
and shave your hair)


I wonder what buddhists and hindus do in Germany.  Its a common 
symbol in Buddhism and Hinduism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika


Banning symbols is a silly thing to do, IMHO.  The swastika was not 
the problem, it was what people did.  Bans just make people believe 
they are doing something useful instead of actually working on the 
problem.


Guess we should switch to pd-ot...

.hc

 



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[PD] svn co ...documentation

[august]

Hi,

I just spent about 30-40 minutes trying to figure out how to get a
writable svn checkout.

Is there any way someone could add that info to one of the multiple
pages that try to instruct you to get the source?

http://puredata.info/docs/developer/GettingPdSource
http://puredata.info/docs/developer/SourceRepositories
http://puredata.info/docs/developer/SVNCommitAccess

For developers like myself who only make occasional commits,
something like this would really help.   There are too many version
control systems and frameworks to remember how to do everything,
everywhere.  A few simple command line examples would really help.

thank you -august.

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Re: [PD] [readanysf~] refuse 96kbps ogg's!?!

[august]

> Hi list,
> all in the title... I tried different types (mp3, wav, ogg, at different
> rates and frequencies...) Some didn't passed: "Invalid file or
> unsupported codec". 
> The only relation I found on 12 ogg files, the five that didn't passed
> was at 96kbps rate.


I think it has something to do with the ogg header.  I've passed the
file on to the gmerlin developer who is usually pretty quick about
fixing these things.However, you will need to update your
gavl/gmerlin_avdecoder libs when he does fix it.


> [readanysf~] seems a bit unstable: if I [open a_file( and then "compute
> audio", pd crashes (quit). 

I just now fixed this bug.  I can't believe nobody saw this before.  If
you opened a file before turning DSP on, it would crash when your start
the DSP.   Simple fix.  Now done.  Thanks for reporting.

download from here: http://aug.ment.org/software/readanysf~0.41.tar.gz

or checkout from svn.

new Mac version is also available.


> Is it a problem to use four instances of the object in a patch? I'm
> building a multiple player for a performance...

It shouldn't be a problem.


> I'm on Ubuntu Lucid, PD-ext 0.42.5 (from repo), last [readanysf~] from
> rdz-ppa (had to move it from pd directory to pd-extended)...
> 
> Thank's for your help...

thanks for the report -august.


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Re: [PD] how to create a sound like this?

[ailo]

 Try playing it backwards.
Sounds like it's in reverse.

On 09/22/2010 01:22 AM, ronni montoya wrote:

hello list, i was wondering how can i create a sound like this?
Do you have any idea of how to simulate this kind of sounds?

any idea would be aprreciated


thanks

http://ompldr.org/vNWx4NA/.wav

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Re: [PD] comment connection

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:

Please define what you would consider an incentive (as opposed to what 
you call a detail).  I bet I'll be able to come up with at least five.


Well, first come with at least five things you'd like to do with comments 
modifiable like the messageboxes are, and we'll talk about that.


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Re: [PD] how to create a sound like this?

[patko]

Hello, this sounds like a reversed splash cymbal with a long echo,
 By simulating cymbals with oscillators for example,
the sound spectrum's richness could be modulated for getting the same effect we 
have on reversed attacks, which has a very specific sounding.


- "ronni montoya"  a écrit :

> hello list, i was wondering how can i create a sound like this?
> Do you have any idea of how to simulate this kind of sounds?
> 
> any idea would be aprreciated
> 
> 
> thanks
> 
> http://ompldr.org/vNWx4NA/.wav
> 
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Re: [PD] the Pope likes Pd-extended 0.42.5

[João Pais]

considering the conotations to that symbol in recent history, it's a bit  
naive to say that it's related to budhism etc anymore. at least not to  
anyone who isn't a budhist.


try going to germany and walking around with a t-shirt with that. the  
least that can happen to you is to go to jail. if you go to a neighborhood  
where a group of punks is chilling, you might not make it alive. (except  
in some cities in the east, then they'll offer you beer and shave your  
hair)


I wonder what buddhists and hindus do in Germany.  Its a common symbol  
in Buddhism and Hinduism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika


Banning symbols is a silly thing to do, IMHO.  The swastika was not the  
problem, it was what people did.  Bans just make people believe they are  
doing something useful instead of actually working on the problem.


Guess we should switch to pd-ot...

.hc



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[PD] how to create a sound like this?

[ronni montoya]

hello list, i was wondering how can i create a sound like this?
Do you have any idea of how to simulate this kind of sounds?

any idea would be aprreciated


thanks

http://ompldr.org/vNWx4NA/.wav

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Re: [PD] Midi sound not working on my PD, works on Max

[ZÉ Oliveira]

problem solved
PD extended.preferences midi setings...( change them)
Sorry for posting but i really had some days to figure this out before i
posted something.
And finaly i found the solution here.

http://en.flossmanuals.net/PureData/ConfiguringPD

2010/9/21 ZÉ Oliveira 

> Midi sound not working on my PD, works on Max
>
> Helo
>
> I just startet with PD.
> And using PD extended on macbookpro i manage to do simple sound stuf with
> "~osc" and even in GEM i manage to do things.
> Only thing now is the midi sound  is not hapening.
> I don´t undestand what´s wrong because i manage to have  midi sounds on
> Max/MSP and even comunicating to external virtual instrumets program FM8.
>
> I´m not used to do things with midi and don´t even have a midi keybord or
> controler...
>
> But i wold think i need to have a message with "60" a "makenote 80 1000"
> and  a "noteout 1" ( it´s wat i´m using)
> on my mac midi and audio configuration  IAC driver on bus 1 is using chanel
> in1  out1
> What else do i need to configure to make sound happen?
>
> Thanks
> Zé
>
>
>


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Re: [PD] sssad in pd-extended?

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

As for alternate ways of including things besides libdirs, there are 
lots of kludges currently in Pd-extended.  I've been spending a lot of 
my time maintaining them.  I'm working on reducing maintenance time so I 
can actually spend time coding new things.  So far, only a couple people 
have a track record of actually maintaining code in Pd-extended without 
me needing to get involved (Martin Peach, Matju, Roman, IOhannes, I'm 
probably missing someone).


I don't have any externals in pd-extended, nor in SourceForge.

Which code are you talking about ?

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Re: [PD] sssad in pd-extended?

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

It would be great if you could add other libs to that page that are not 
currently included in Pd-extended, things like Gridflow, pix_opencv, 
pdp_opencv, sssad, etc.


What's the difference between "frameworks" and "graphics" ?

What's the criteria for calling something a framework ?

Why is every version of Gem listed separately in the boxes ?

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Re: [PD] jMax Phoenix

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Maurizio De Cecco wrote:

Given the fact that jMax slept a few years, it cannot compete with 
puredata in terms of available libraries, patches, and in general 
maturity of the solution.


No, it wasn't in this order : first it already couldn't compete with 
PureData, AND THEN jMax 4 appeared, which finished killing it, as the API 
was all different and no-one bothered porting externals to it (well, I 
tried, and I had to give up because some features had been removed from 
jMax). By the time the project was called dead, everybody had already 
switched to Pd or was in the process of doing so.


6) The language: jMax support the use of expressions in object 
definition, like in | int ( 10 + $foo) | so that objects in abstractions 
can be parametrised with respect to the arguments.


I gave up jMax because this feature was introduced. This is because it 
removed the possibility to pass an arithmetic operator as an argument. It 
was a showstopper for me.


the 0.6 beta release; it does not mention the Max OS X version, that was 
not ready at the time.


You too write "Max OS X" instead of "Mac OS X" ? Is this a virus you 
caught from Miller ? ;)


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[PD] Midi sound not working on my PD, works on Max

[ZÉ Oliveira]

Midi sound not working on my PD, works on Max

Helo

I just startet with PD.
And using PD extended on macbookpro i manage to do simple sound stuf with
"~osc" and even in GEM i manage to do things.
Only thing now is the midi sound  is not hapening.
I don´t undestand what´s wrong because i manage to have  midi sounds on
Max/MSP and even comunicating to external virtual instrumets program FM8.

I´m not used to do things with midi and don´t even have a midi keybord or
controler...

But i wold think i need to have a message with "60" a "makenote 80 1000" and
 a "noteout 1" ( it´s wat i´m using)
on my mac midi and audio configuration  IAC driver on bus 1 is using chanel
in1  out1
What else do i need to configure to make sound happen?

Thanks
Zé
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Re: [PD] Free Max?

[András Murányi]

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Jose Luis Santorcuato <
santorcuat...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Max has always offered the possibility of downloading "free" but a 30-day
> license, which is that crack, I think it means little, it's like when
> windows 7 is "liberated", we humbly think we use pd for two reasons: the
> potential and an ethical issue, [...]


Plus it doesn't run on Linux and probably won't.
Not to mention mobile phones... :o)

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Re: [PD] "I'm on unix, I'm much better than windows users!" (was Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!)

[Andy Farnell]

Great points Ricardo. You give the thread new wings! :)  

This tension is in every course I teach or work with. 
It is almost a dispair of modern education. Vocational
pressures demand the students learn shrinkwrapped tools.
The tools themselves hide the problem domain. And thus
the abstracted knowledge cannot be taught.
The "one problem - one product" philosophy leads to a 
shallow disposable experience, which cheats students 
of real education.

However, they pay high course fees and expect employable
skills. Companies demanding skills expect "shrinkwrapped"
knowledge and use proprietary products, feeding the cycle.
But then they constantly decry shallow, unthinking graduates,
prefering more creatively vigorous candidates whose 'poorer', 
old-fashioned education actually taught them to make more 
from fewer resources. This early industrial revolution 
mentality, gives people just enough knowledge to operate the
machines that will enslave them. 


However, if so called new economies are built on grander 
values, and if phrases like "information ecomony" or "knowledge
economy" have any substance, then the question is, if 
knowledge has value, how do you create new knowledge, 
and thus new value in the world? 

By teaching both fundamental/ axiomatic principles, 
and abstract reasoning/ problem solving. This causes
'critical thought', rather than mere activity.
Many students seem to enjoy my classes because
I will not teach with proprietary workflows. They know
any fool can read a manual, or show some slides on 
Protools shortcuts. This is not what you need a teacher 
for. Go home and learn this trivia in your spare time.

Further, I think there are carefully maintained
misunderstandings about some proprietary tools. They
are marketed and aggressively promoted to educational
establishments as "Professional". This word is so overused
as to ring hollow. They are crafted more for a _domestic_
market of aspirants. Real "professionals" at the high-end
of many disciplines use obscure, expensive or experimental
tools themselves, with mass-market gear there as a reference
point or exchange mechanism. 

Advantages of Free software in education are:

It exposes alternative (and often user definable) views
of the task model. Many task models in popular Mac
and Windows software (and some Free equivalents that slavishly
copy them) ain't that great anyway, from a cognitive/HCI
standpoint. They just happened to be the first to build a base,
or adhere to an established design pattern. Many are
arbitrary when you think about it.

The task model should be challenged anyway. That is the
creative prerogative. 

Integrating diverse views allows one to clearly see the
underlying concept. 

This all presupposes you care about the quality of
the outcome and the humanity of the producer. I'm not
sure those vaules can be taken for granted any longer.

Way, way OT. I apologise.

a.

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:24:41 +
Ricardo Cedeño  wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> HI, 
> I'm a linux user since more than one year and I teach at a South American 
> university in design and arts faculty. 
> 
> Before I was on Win or Mac depending on the hardware I was using. I think 
> nowadays people cannot decide easily what OS to use because of market 
> pressures. One responsibility of teachers in media, design, and arts subjects 
> is to provide students with alternatives to these systems. Reasons have been 
> largely expressed in this mailing-list and thousand of forums of free 
> software. But still, I believe if at universities and educational 
> institutions the dominant platforms for media productions are still based on 
> closed and proprietary systems, then future generations of designers and 
> artists all around the globe would not see other options. 
> 
> Today students barely have the choice to experiment with software to media 
> production as almost everything has been coded and packaged in nicely looking 
> interfaces. These interfaces do not allow them to think out-of-the-box. 
> Software companies allow them/us to produce what is supposed to be produced, 
> nothing less nothing more.
> 
> Teaching that free software do exist, that free software is a worth 
> alternative to proprietary software (adobe, microsoft, apple, autodesk, and 
> the like), that free software enables you  to control what the machine does 
> it is a moral duty in educational academies today. What is at stake is the 
> property of knowledge production because knowledge has become mediated by the 
> computer. Free software stands then for the freedom to access the knowledge 
> and its production.
> 
> Ricardo Cedeño Montaña
> dRNn1076
> 
> > > > (and the most "coherent" is that they always rebel
> > > against windows, but not against mac, which in these days is
> > > more commercial and bigbrothery than windows ever was -
> > > acording to some comments from friends that use mac)
> > > 
> > > Microsoft has got 90% of the computer market by the balls.
> > > They don't 

Re: [PD] jMax Phoenix

[ALAN BROOKER]

Hi Maurizio

Really interesting news- Im going to check it out- Iv always kept an eye on
jmax and really glad to see it coming back !

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Maurizio De Cecco wrote:

> Hallo,
>
> my name is Maurizio De Cecco, and i am the maintainer and developper of the
> jMax Phoenix project,
> a kind of cousin of Puredata. Having release a new beta for jMax (on Linux
> and Mac OS X), and after
> discussing with Miller Puckette, i think the members of this list may be
> interested in knowing more
> about the project, and may be take a look.
>
> A bit of history: i worked in Ircam in the 90s, where i was lucky enough to
> work with Miller Puckette
> on Max/ISPW and following versions; i then worked on jMax, that was
> intended to be a 'next generation'
> Max for the Ircam projects; jMax was used in a few large productions; i
> left in 99 for pursing other
> interest (Linux Mandrake, at that time :), and forgot for a while about
> jMax.
>
> In the meanwhile, jMax was put under a GPL licence, and after a couple of
> years Ircam stopped its development
> (don't ask me why, i wasn't there).
>
> In 2008 i was getting severely bored: server side Java, quality indicators
> and software engineering was my daily bread, and no code to write; so, to
> keep my developer mind healthy, i took up the development
> of jMax, starting from the last release i worked on.
>
> Given the fact that jMax slept a few years, it cannot compete with puredata
> in terms of available libraries,
> patches, and in general maturity of the solution.
>
> But it have its own peculiarity, a number of different ideas, and having a
> code base but no users (yet, i hope:)
> allows some bold design decision to be taken; think of jMax Phoenix as a
> kind of research project in same family where Puredata is.
>
> Describing the differences between jMax and Puredata would be long, because
> it would need to go back
> to the original developments; to be very synthetic  i would resume in the
> following:
>
> 1) Architecture: the jMax user interface run on a different process, and it
> written in Java.
>
> 2)  APIs are completely different, but see below.
>
> 3) The Object Set is reduced to the old ISPW object set; jMax can also
> transparently include LADSPA plugins as objects; finally, i developped
> compatibility layer (to be completed) that allows to recompile simple pd
> objects for jMax, and possibly to load pd abstractions.
>
> 4) User Interface: there is a lot of work going on in the UI, that allows,
> between other, the used of a single window IDE style interface.
>
> 5) Packaging and configuration: jMax Phoenix support the packaging
> of complex libraries and applications in a single file, and even
> automatically grab libraries from the internet.
>
> 6) The language: jMax support the use of expressions in object definition,
> like in | int ( 10 + $foo) | so that objects in abstractions can be
> parametrised with respect to the arguments.
>
> 7) Hopefully in between 6 month and a year: an optimising dsp compiler
> and engine able to run a patch in parallel on multiple core (where multiple
> means around 8).
>
> For anybody more interested, the project site is
> http://www.jmax-phoenix.org/, and the
> binaries and sources can be loaded from the project sourceforge site,
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/jmax-phoenix/
>
> For your information, i include at the end of the mail the formal announce
> of the 0.6 beta release; it does not mention the Max OS X version, that was
> not ready at the time.
>
> Maurizio
>
> -
>
> After many month of development, we are proud to announce the version 0.6
> beta of jMax Phoenix.
>
> The major highlights for this version are:
>  - A first version of the puredata source compatibility kit, including the
> build system and a full example of recompiled object library.
>  - A large set of usability bug fixed; all the bugs preventing a smooth
> work flow have been fixed.
>  - Error handling improvements: most of the bugs and configuration errors
> now results in error messages, and not unexplained freezes.
>  - A set of examples and tutorials has been recovered from old ISPW
> archives; they are not updated to include all the major jMax
> functionalities, but it is better than nothing.
>
> Full release notes are available in the release notes section of the projet
> site.
>
> This release has been tested on Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio 10.04, Debian 5,
> Fedora 13 and Mandriva Spring 2010; check the installation
> instruction on the projet site for specific caveats for Debian and Fedora.
>
> The Puredata compatibility sub-project has been *very* time consuming; in
> order to better manage my scarce time resources,
> we need some user feedback (and possibly help) to be able to evaluate the
> actual interest of pursuing this development direction.
>
> For more information and download and installation instructions go to
> http://www.jmax-ph

Re: [PD] "I'm on unix, I'm much better than windows users!" (was Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!)

[Ricardo Cedeño]

HI, 
I'm a linux user since more than one year and I teach at a South American 
university in design and arts faculty. 

Before I was on Win or Mac depending on the hardware I was using. I think 
nowadays people cannot decide easily what OS to use because of market 
pressures. One responsibility of teachers in media, design, and arts subjects 
is to provide students with alternatives to these systems. Reasons have been 
largely expressed in this mailing-list and thousand of forums of free software. 
But still, I believe if at universities and educational institutions the 
dominant platforms for media productions are still based on closed and 
proprietary systems, then future generations of designers and artists all 
around the globe would not see other options. 

Today students barely have the choice to experiment with software to media 
production as almost everything has been coded and packaged in nicely looking 
interfaces. These interfaces do not allow them to think out-of-the-box. 
Software companies allow them/us to produce what is supposed to be produced, 
nothing less nothing more.

Teaching that free software do exist, that free software is a worth alternative 
to proprietary software (adobe, microsoft, apple, autodesk, and the like), that 
free software enables you  to control what the machine does it is a moral duty 
in educational academies today. What is at stake is the property of knowledge 
production because knowledge has become mediated by the computer. Free software 
stands then for the freedom to access the knowledge and its production.

Ricardo Cedeño Montaña
dRNn1076

> > > (and the most "coherent" is that they always rebel
> > against windows, but not against mac, which in these days is
> > more commercial and bigbrothery than windows ever was -
> > acording to some comments from friends that use mac)
> > 
> > Microsoft has got 90% of the computer market by the balls.
> > They don't really need any other tricks than that (such as
> > DRM or whatever). For Apple or any company, it's a lot
> > easier to expand themselves in a place where Microsoft isn't
> > already. I think that you understand that Microsoft got its
> > 90% not just by selling quality software, and that you
> > understand why so many shops absolutely refuse to sell a
> > computer without Windows even though there's a market for
> > it. Isn't this the most damaging thing going on every day in
> > the industry ?
> 
> Maybe, but to get around that problem you just do what Yves was 
> talking about and help someone switch to a free os.  Regarding 
> music specifically, however, Apple's actions are more worrisome 
> to me.
> 
> Apple is involved deeply in getting computer files to behave 
> less like "pure data" and more like old media formats.  Actually 
> it's worse than that, because with an audio cassette player you 
> could record as many copies of an album as you could afford.  You 
> can't even make your own personal copy with Apple's aac files 
> from Itunes (and if you do it's illegal in the U.S.).
> 
> Unlike Microsoft users, who usually have a healthy dose of 
> animosity toward the os, Apple users love their software.  To me, 
> this is one of the biggest problems in the industry because it 
> means that people aren't asking really obvious questions in 
> response to DRM.  (For example: why is fair use _shrinking_ when 
> technology is making the cost of copying/distributing music next 
> to nothing?  Instead, it should be expanding, right?) If in 10 
> years sharing my music files with you isn't as easy as touching 
> you on the shoulder, you'll mainly have Apple and the RIAA to thank.
> 
> Another obvious question: if I'm buying an entire album of music files in a 
> restricted format that locks me into using Itunes and 
> makes it nearly impossible (AFAICT) to transfer over my music 
> library to GNU/Linux, shouldn't I be paying _substantially_ less for those 
> files than if I bought the album on CD?
> 
> -Jonathan
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[PD] jMax Phoenix

[Maurizio De Cecco]

Hallo,

my name is Maurizio De Cecco, and i am the maintainer and developper of 
the jMax Phoenix project,
a kind of cousin of Puredata. Having release a new beta for jMax (on 
Linux and Mac OS X), and after
discussing with Miller Puckette, i think the members of this list may be 
interested in knowing more

about the project, and may be take a look.

A bit of history: i worked in Ircam in the 90s, where i was lucky enough 
to work with Miller Puckette
on Max/ISPW and following versions; i then worked on jMax, that was 
intended to be a 'next generation'
Max for the Ircam projects; jMax was used in a few large productions; i 
left in 99 for pursing other
interest (Linux Mandrake, at that time :), and forgot for a while about 
jMax.


In the meanwhile, jMax was put under a GPL licence, and after a couple 
of years Ircam stopped its development

(don't ask me why, i wasn't there).

In 2008 i was getting severely bored: server side Java, quality 
indicators and software engineering was my daily bread, and no code to 
write; so, to keep my developer mind healthy, i took up the development

of jMax, starting from the last release i worked on.

Given the fact that jMax slept a few years, it cannot compete with 
puredata in terms of available libraries,

patches, and in general maturity of the solution.

But it have its own peculiarity, a number of different ideas, and having 
a code base but no users (yet, i hope:)
allows some bold design decision to be taken; think of jMax Phoenix as a 
kind of research project in same family where Puredata is.


Describing the differences between jMax and Puredata would be long, 
because it would need to go back
to the original developments; to be very synthetic  i would resume in 
the following:


1) Architecture: the jMax user interface run on a different process, and 
it written in Java.


2)  APIs are completely different, but see below.

3) The Object Set is reduced to the old ISPW object set; jMax can also 
transparently include LADSPA plugins as objects; finally, i developped 
compatibility layer (to be completed) that allows to recompile simple pd 
objects for jMax, and possibly to load pd abstractions.


4) User Interface: there is a lot of work going on in the UI, that 
allows, between other, the used of a single window IDE style interface.


5) Packaging and configuration: jMax Phoenix support the packaging
of complex libraries and applications in a single file, and even 
automatically grab libraries from the internet.


6) The language: jMax support the use of expressions in object 
definition, like in | int ( 10 + $foo) | so that objects in abstractions 
can be parametrised with respect to the arguments.


7) Hopefully in between 6 month and a year: an optimising dsp compiler
and engine able to run a patch in parallel on multiple core (where 
multiple means around 8).


For anybody more interested, the project site is 
http://www.jmax-phoenix.org/, and the
binaries and sources can be loaded from the project sourceforge site, 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/jmax-phoenix/


For your information, i include at the end of the mail the formal 
announce of the 0.6 beta release; it does not mention the Max OS X 
version, that was not ready at the time.


Maurizio

-

After many month of development, we are proud to announce the version 
0.6 beta of jMax Phoenix.


The major highlights for this version are:
  - A first version of the puredata source compatibility kit, including 
the build system and a full example of recompiled object library.
  - A large set of usability bug fixed; all the bugs preventing a 
smooth work flow have been fixed.
  - Error handling improvements: most of the bugs and configuration 
errors now results in error messages, and not unexplained freezes.
  - A set of examples and tutorials has been recovered from old ISPW 
archives; they are not updated to include all the major jMax 
functionalities, but it is better than nothing.


Full release notes are available in the release notes section of the 
projet site.


This release has been tested on Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio 10.04, Debian 
5, Fedora 13 and Mandriva Spring 2010; check the installation

instruction on the projet site for specific caveats for Debian and Fedora.

The Puredata compatibility sub-project has been *very* time consuming; 
in order to better manage my scarce time resources,
we need some user feedback (and possibly help) to be able to evaluate 
the actual interest of pursuing this development direction.


For more information and download and installation instructions go to
http://www.jmax-phoenix.org/.

For contacting the project team: cont...@jmax-phoenix.org

The jMax Phoenix team

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Re: [PD] sssad in pd-extended?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Ok, I've been posting the libs in Pd-extended to the community/ 
projects/software/ page as I submit them to Debian via pkg- 
multimedia.  Its easy enough for me to continue that.


It would be great if you could add other libs to that page that are  
not currently included in Pd-extended, things like Gridflow,  
pix_opencv, pdp_opencv, sssad, etc.


.hc

On Sep 21, 2010, at 3:15 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:

I definitely agree, the pd-ring is a good effort in a similar  
direction, but a single webpage on the pd.info would be so helpful,  
specially when teaching.

Could we (I) start working on it?

I'd be up to collect links to the libs already included in pd-x and  
list them on a page on pd.info.
I should only understand how to keep it updated, being aware of  
future inclusions and exclusions.


Anything against it? or suggestions?


As for a place for libs, IOhannes set this up a while ago, I've
started adding things to it, I think it works well as a place for
people to release their libs, GUI plugins, etc.  I think we should
switch puredata.info/downloads to this page once we get things all
figured out.

http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/

.hc




  I think we mainly need a sort of "externals" portal on the  
website where everyone registers libs so its a one-stop shop for  
picking your object poison. This makes more sense then an every  
growing blob within pd-extended.



Dan Wilcox
danomatika.com
robotcowboy.com




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Re: [PD] sssad in pd-extended?

[Marco Donnarumma]

...in that case I'd be up to expand and maintain it...

M


As for a place for libs, IOhannes set this up a while ago, I've
> started adding things to it, I think it works well as a place for
> people to release their libs, GUI plugins, etc.  I think we should
> switch puredata.info/downloads to this page once we get things all
> figured out.
>
> http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/
>
> .hc
>
>
>


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Re: [PD] sssad in pd-extended?

[Marco Donnarumma]

I definitely agree, the pd-ring is a good effort in a similar direction, but
a single webpage on the pd.info would be so helpful, specially when
teaching.
Could we (I) start working on it?

I'd be up to collect links to the libs already included in pd-x and list
them on a page on pd.info.
I should only understand how to keep it updated, being aware of future
inclusions and exclusions.

Anything against it? or suggestions?


  I think we mainly need a sort of "externals" portal on the website where
> everyone registers libs so its a one-stop shop for picking your object
> poison. This makes more sense then an every growing blob within pd-extended.
>
> 
> Dan Wilcox
> danomatika.com
> robotcowboy.com
>
>

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Re: [PD] comment connection

[Jonathan Wilkes]

--- On Tue, 9/21/10, Mathieu Bouchard  wrote:

> From: Mathieu Bouchard 
> Subject: Re: [PD] comment connection
> To: "Ed Kelly" 
> Cc: "PD List" 
> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 4:12 PM
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010, Ed Kelly wrote:
> 
> > I'm just curious - but also if you could change
> comments then it means you could make help files to give you
> information about installing etc the required externals.
> Then the helpfile would only come up correctly if the whole
> abstraction was working. I'm interested in this - Metastudio
> uses a lot of externals...
> 
> I think that it wouldn't be hard to have comments support
> the same self-modification methods that messageboxes do, but
> I also think that there is no real incentive yet.

Please define what you would consider an incentive (as opposed 
to what you call a detail).  I bet I'll be able to come up with 
at least five.

-Jonathan

> 
> I don't see why you'd absolutely need your auto-generated
> installation info to be put in a self-modified comment.
> Isn't that a detail ? Am I missing something in your request
> (such as something to do with GOP) ?
> 
> 
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[PD] audio visual pd patch embed in the browser?

[Marco Donnarumma]

Hi all,
I know the topic has been discussed a lot and I'm aware of few solutions.
I'm writing to understand whether I miss any other option.
I made this work (
http://marcodonnarumma.com/works/the-invisible-suns-project/ just posted to
the announce list and many thanks to Cyrille and the all list for few
fundamental tips).

It's conceived as a physical installation, but obviously it would make a lot
of sense to have it available on-line.
Basically what the application does is to retrieve data from the web, and
use them to produce audio and video in real time.
I try to outline the options I'm aware of, and I'd be glad if anyone could
add ideas, and/or correct me..

Embedding audio:

_Pd installed on a server, computing audio and streaming through icecast and
similar.
_WebPd looks very promising, but only few objects are available at the
moment and it works only with beta firefox version.

Embedding video:

_Pd installed on a server and PdGst to stream (???) or pdp streaming objects

Have anyone been able to embed an audiovisual patch?

Thanks in advance,
cheers,


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Re: [PD] "I'm on unix, I'm much better than windows users!" (was Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!)

[Jonathan Wilkes]

--- On Tue, 9/21/10, Mathieu Bouchard  wrote:

> From: Mathieu Bouchard 
> Subject: Re: [PD] "I'm on unix, I'm much better than windows users!" (was 
> Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!)
> To: "João Pais" 
> Cc: "pd-list" 
> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 4:05 PM
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, João Pais
> wrote:
> 
> > (and the most "coherent" is that they always rebel
> against windows, but not against mac, which in these days is
> more commercial and bigbrothery than windows ever was -
> acording to some comments from friends that use mac)
> 
> Microsoft has got 90% of the computer market by the balls.
> They don't really need any other tricks than that (such as
> DRM or whatever). For Apple or any company, it's a lot
> easier to expand themselves in a place where Microsoft isn't
> already. I think that you understand that Microsoft got its
> 90% not just by selling quality software, and that you
> understand why so many shops absolutely refuse to sell a
> computer without Windows even though there's a market for
> it. Isn't this the most damaging thing going on every day in
> the industry ?

Maybe, but to get around that problem you just do what Yves was 
talking about and help someone switch to a free os.  Regarding 
music specifically, however, Apple's actions are more worrisome 
to me.

Apple is involved deeply in getting computer files to behave 
less like "pure data" and more like old media formats.  Actually 
it's worse than that, because with an audio cassette player you 
could record as many copies of an album as you could afford.  You 
can't even make your own personal copy with Apple's aac files 
from Itunes (and if you do it's illegal in the U.S.).

Unlike Microsoft users, who usually have a healthy dose of 
animosity toward the os, Apple users love their software.  To me, 
this is one of the biggest problems in the industry because it 
means that people aren't asking really obvious questions in 
response to DRM.  (For example: why is fair use _shrinking_ when 
technology is making the cost of copying/distributing music next 
to nothing?  Instead, it should be expanding, right?) If in 10 
years sharing my music files with you isn't as easy as touching 
you on the shoulder, you'll mainly have Apple and the RIAA to thank.

Another obvious question: if I'm buying an entire album of music files in a 
restricted format that locks me into using Itunes and 
makes it nearly impossible (AFAICT) to transfer over my music 
library to GNU/Linux, shouldn't I be paying _substantially_ less for those 
files than if I bought the album on CD?

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Re: [PD] Free Max?

[Jose Luis Santorcuato]

Max has always offered the possibility of downloading "free" but a 30-day
license, which is that crack, I think it means little, it's like when
windows 7 is "liberated", we humbly think we use pd for two reasons: the
potential and an ethical issue, it would be a bad move  create or teaching
max and then forcing us or our students to pay a license ... I do not think
that means a lot, I teach in universities pd, other professors teach max and
is a real pain in the head, max in my experience only works well in osx
again making it proprietary.
I preferred pd as mentioned, plus the community is worth more than $ 700, is
something that commercial software can never have.

Best regards

José

2010/9/21 Hans-Christoph Steiner 

>
> I've never really used Max, so doesn't mean much to me.  Whatever floats
> their boat :).  I don't really see it as a competition.
>
> But yes, there has always been the free runtime.
>
> .hc
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Re: [PD] Free Max?

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On Sep 21, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> 
>> But yes, there has always been the free runtime.
> 
> What I was alluding to, was the 30-day demo.

Ahh, but what I heard was that the 30 day limitation would be removed ... 
people would then pay for the Jitter, etc packages.


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Re: [PD] sssad in pd-extended?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Sep 21, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:



On Sep 21, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

From what I rememeber, it was excluded because it was non- 
functional the way it was included.  There is a bug that prevents  
the libdir packaging working when the folder has the same name as  
the abstraction in it, i.e. sssad/sssad.pd.  T

This works with binary externals.

As for alternate ways of including things besides libdirs, there  
are lots of kludges currently in Pd-extended.  I've been spending a  
lot of my time maintaining them.  I'm working on reducing  
maintenance time so I can actually spend time coding new things.   
So far, only a couple people have a track record of actually  
maintaining code in Pd-extended without me needing to get involved  
(Martin Peach, Matju, Roman, IOhannes, I'm probably missing someone).


So I think the way forward is to make it easy for people to  
distribute their own libraries on their own, and make them really  
easy to install and use.  Pd-extended 0.42.5 and Pd-vanilla 0.43  
have big improvements in that regard, so people should try that  
path first (i.e. package as libdir, make the libdir usable when  
dropped into the standard user install paths in the FAQ, etc.)


Ok, so the emphasis will be on less included libs within pd-ext in  
the future and more on the lib framework making externals easy to  
install? I think we mainly need a sort of "externals" portal on the  
website where everyone registers libs so its a one-stop shop for  
picking your object poison. This makes more sense then an every  
growing blob within pd-extended.



If someone truly wants to take on maintaining more libs in Pd- 
extended, that is ok by me.  I really don't want people to add stuff  
to Pd-extended then disappear leaving me to deal with it, that's  
mostly what's happened.


As for a place for libs, IOhannes set this up a while ago, I've  
started adding things to it, I think it works well as a place for  
people to release their libs, GUI plugins, etc.  I think we should  
switch puredata.info/downloads to this page once we get things all  
figured out.


http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/

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Re: [PD] Free Max?

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On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:


But yes, there has always been the free runtime.


What I was alluding to, was the 30-day demo.

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Re: [PD] sssad in pd-extended?

[Dan Wilcox]

On Sep 21, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

> From what I rememeber, it was excluded because it was non-functional the way 
> it was included.  There is a bug that prevents the libdir packaging working 
> when the folder has the same name as the abstraction in it, i.e. 
> sssad/sssad.pd.  T
> This works with binary externals.
> 
> As for alternate ways of including things besides libdirs, there are lots of 
> kludges currently in Pd-extended.  I've been spending a lot of my time 
> maintaining them.  I'm working on reducing maintenance time so I can actually 
> spend time coding new things.  So far, only a couple people have a track 
> record of actually maintaining code in Pd-extended without me needing to get 
> involved (Martin Peach, Matju, Roman, IOhannes, I'm probably missing someone).
> 
> So I think the way forward is to make it easy for people to distribute their 
> own libraries on their own, and make them really easy to install and use.  
> Pd-extended 0.42.5 and Pd-vanilla 0.43 have big improvements in that regard, 
> so people should try that path first (i.e. package as libdir, make the libdir 
> usable when dropped into the standard user install paths in the FAQ, etc.)

Ok, so the emphasis will be on less included libs within pd-ext in the future 
and more on the lib framework making externals easy to install? I think we 
mainly need a sort of "externals" portal on the website where everyone 
registers libs so its a one-stop shop for picking your object poison. This 
makes more sense then an every growing blob within pd-extended.


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Re: [PD] Any pd projects at the World Maker Faire NYC?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I'll have Pd in my pocket because it runs on my phone ;-) But happy to  
meet up with people at Maker, come by and take a ride on one of the  
treacherous machines I've helped build.


.hc

On Sep 20, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Ted Hayes wrote:

I will be showing my Neurohedron, a hardware interface to my neural- 
network-based PureData patch(es) :)


I'll be at the Devotion Gallery booth.  Yay!  I am also curious what  
other Pd-oriented projects will be there...


—t3db0t


On Sep 19, 2010, at 11:41 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:


Howdy all,

I will be showing my robotcowboy system at the World Maker Faire in  
NYC this weekend, the 24th and 25th. Are there any other pd-based  
projects or pd people going to be there? I know Hans will be there  
with the Madagascar Institute and its fire/metal-based analog  
activities ...


We should schedule a meet up, etc.


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Re: [PD] vector based panning

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Yeah, just install Pd-extended, then create [vbap/vbap] and [vbap/ 
define_loudspeakers] and away you go.  I use it in a number of projects.


.hc

On Sep 21, 2010, at 4:39 AM, Derek Holzer wrote:


VBAP is in Extended or find it here:

http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/software/vbap/Pure_Data/

D.

On 9/21/10 6:38 AM, ronni montoya wrote:

hello, i was wondering if there are some vector based panning in pd?
maybe there are some abstractions or externals?



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Re: [PD] Free Max?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I've never really used Max, so doesn't mean much to me.  Whatever  
floats their boat :).  I don't really see it as a competition.


But yes, there has always been the free runtime.

.hc

On Sep 20, 2010, at 5:55 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:

I have heard rumors from various sources that Cycling 74 may change  
the pricing scheme of Max to include a limited version for free. If  
true, what does this mean for Pd?



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Re: [PD] sssad in pd-extended?

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Sep 21, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:


On Sep 21, 2010, at 6:47 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:


On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 06:03:34AM -0400, Dan Wilcox wrote:

I think this has been asked before, but why isn't sssad included in
pd-extended? It's stable and I've been using it for quite some time
and I know its getting plenty of use in rjlib.


Apart from being packaged as its own Debian package (which is a new
requirement) it fulfills all requirements for pd-x-inclusion listed  
on

the puredata.info page.

Maybe the question should better be: Why was sssad removed from
pd-extended after 0.41 and still is?


I think it's the maintenance issue. I can understand the need to  
flush everything out, then start adding the solid, maintainable  
externals back in ... although I think sssad is both solid and  
maintainable already.


but I know, that many people would love to use sssad or already do  
but
hate it when they have to install a single-object library manually  
into

their pd-extended install.


Ja, that's why I distribute sssad with my lib. It would be nicer to  
have it as a pd-ext standard IMO, so those of us who use it in  
abstractions can stop packaging it.


Are there any objections to me following Hans' guide and adding it?  
What about the Debian packaging issue? I suppose I can do that too  
if needed ... as well as volunteer to be the maintainer. I want to  
push my patches into pd-ext soon anyway.



From what I rememeber, it was excluded because it was non-functional  
the way it was included.  There is a bug that prevents the libdir  
packaging working when the folder has the same name as the abstraction  
in it, i.e. sssad/sssad.pd.  T

This works with binary externals.

As for alternate ways of including things besides libdirs, there are  
lots of kludges currently in Pd-extended.  I've been spending a lot of  
my time maintaining them.  I'm working on reducing maintenance time so  
I can actually spend time coding new things.  So far, only a couple  
people have a track record of actually maintaining code in Pd-extended  
without me needing to get involved (Martin Peach, Matju, Roman,  
IOhannes, I'm probably missing someone).


So I think the way forward is to make it easy for people to distribute  
their own libraries on their own, and make them really easy to install  
and use.  Pd-extended 0.42.5 and Pd-vanilla 0.43 have big improvements  
in that regard, so people should try that path first (i.e. package as  
libdir, make the libdir usable when dropped into the standard user  
install paths in the FAQ, etc.)


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[PD] pdp_theonice on ubuntu lucid: Video streaming problem

[Nick Burge]

Trying to connect to giss.tv with the pidip patch: giss-pdp-dv.pd I get 
this...


pdp_theonice~ : connection thread -1339835536 launched
pdp_theonice~: connecting to port 8001
pdp_theonice~: logged in to source.giss.tv
pdp_theonice~: connecting child -1339835536 exiting
pdp_theonice~ : initializing encoder...
pdp_theonice~ : encoder initialized.
pdp_theonice~ : writing headers...
pdp_theonice~ : start streaming at 7 frames/second
status: 1
pdp_theonice~ : could not write audio packet (ret=-1).
pdp_theonice~ : shutting down encoder
pdp_theonice~ : could not write audio packet (ret=-1).
pdp_theonice~ : could not write audio packet (ret=-1).
status: 0


The audio patch giss-pdp-ogg.pd works fine, also
I seem to connect OK and have been able to stream video + audio to the 
same server using the application Theorur


be nice to be able to do this from pd though.is there a way to 
change the encoder?


Nick.


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Re: [PD] the Pope likes Pd-extended 0.42.5

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Sep 21, 2010, at 1:49 PM, jm jones wrote:


2010/9/21 João Pais :

what is the name of the video? here in germany it says that this link
attents against the law, and can't be seen. the facebook links give  
me

warnings about malware and pishing, so I didn't click on them.



In Germany you cant use a swastika, the video is full of that symbol.
But you cant see videos from another countries  with swastikas???
The name of the video is CANCER MATRIX  SYGNOK KOMPUTER 1 , plus some
crosses in the title too.




I wonder what buddhists and hindus do in Germany.  Its a common symbol  
in Buddhism and Hinduism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika


Banning symbols is a silly thing to do, IMHO.  The swastika was not  
the problem, it was what people did.  Bans just make people believe  
they are doing something useful instead of actually working on the  
problem.


Guess we should switch to pd-ot...

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Re: [PD] web client

[Dan Wilcox]

Ok, I posted it to a tutorial page: 
http://puredata.info/docs/tutorials/SimpleWebclient

I think this should be included in pd-ext as an example somewhere ...

On Sep 10, 2010, at 1:46 PM,  
 wrote:

> Sure, go ahead and do it.
> The httpget abstraction and help patch is mostly by Hans.
> 
> Martin
> 
> From: danomat...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [PD] web client
> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:04:18 -0400
> To: martin.pe...@sympatico.ca
> 
> Hey Martin,
> 
> Maybe make a quick wiki page on puredata.info with the patches on it? If not, 
> I can do it.
> 
> On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Martin Peach wrote:
> 
> On 2010-09-09 18:39, Jordi Sala wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> I'd like to know if there is a web client object (or patch) for pd.
> 
> 
> The attached patches should work with pd-extended.
> 
> Martin
> 


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Re: [PD] the Pope likes Pd-extended 0.42.5

[jm jones]

2010/9/21 João Pais :
> what is the name of the video? here in germany it says that this link
> attents against the law, and can't be seen. the facebook links give me
> warnings about malware and pishing, so I didn't click on them.
>

In Germany you cant use a swastika, the video is full of that symbol.
But you cant see videos from another countries  with swastikas???
The name of the video is CANCER MATRIX  SYGNOK KOMPUTER 1 , plus some
crosses in the title too.


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Re: [PD] "I'm on unix, I'm much better than windows users!" (was Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!)

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, João Pais wrote:

I'm not defending microsoft. just saying that - according to comments from 
friends using apple, one or two in this list - apple isn't behaving un-evil 
as well.


I know that you aren't.

(And I know that you know that I'm not defending Apple. ;)

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Re: [PD] sssad in pd-extended?

[Dan Wilcox]

On Sep 21, 2010, at 6:47 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 06:03:34AM -0400, Dan Wilcox wrote:
>> I think this has been asked before, but why isn't sssad included in
>> pd-extended? It's stable and I've been using it for quite some time
>> and I know its getting plenty of use in rjlib.
> 
> Apart from being packaged as its own Debian package (which is a new
> requirement) it fulfills all requirements for pd-x-inclusion listed on
> the puredata.info page. 
> 
> Maybe the question should better be: Why was sssad removed from
> pd-extended after 0.41 and still is?

I think it's the maintenance issue. I can understand the need to flush 
everything out, then start adding the solid, maintainable externals back in ... 
although I think sssad is both solid and maintainable already.

> but I know, that many people would love to use sssad or already do but
> hate it when they have to install a single-object library manually into
> their pd-extended install.

Ja, that's why I distribute sssad with my lib. It would be nicer to have it as 
a pd-ext standard IMO, so those of us who use it in abstractions can stop 
packaging it.

Are there any objections to me following Hans' guide and adding it? What about 
the Debian packaging issue? I suppose I can do that too if needed ... as well 
as volunteer to be the maintainer. I want to push my patches into pd-ext soon 
anyway.


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Re: [PD] prosilica GigE camera

[cyrille henry]

i hope to have a cam during the next month.
c


Le 21/09/2010 16:15, Jack a écrit :

OK.
Cyrille, do you have an idea about the period you want to test your
camera ?
If i can help, tell me...
++

Jack



Le lundi 20 septembre 2010 à 22:28 +0200, cyrille henry a écrit :

hello,

i have planed to test this soon.

Cyrille


Le 20/09/2010 22:00, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :

On 2010-09-20 15:52, Jack wrote:

Hello,

Is there someone who has tested a GigE camera with GEM under Linux or
MacOSX ?


under linux you would need at least the current SVN snapshot for Gem and
get yourself either the HALCON or the AVT APIs.
then compile Gem, and make sure you get the videoAVT resp. videoHALCON
plugins.

since i don't have a prosilica (and nobody has sent me one yet), this is
all completely untested.


fgmadr
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Re: [PD] [readanysf~] refuse 96kbps ogg's!?!

[Raphael Raccuia]

of course :-)
here is:
http://blindekinder.com/perso/readanysf_test.ogg

Derek Holzer a écrit :

But please don't post them directly to the list ;-)
Use links.

D.

On 9/21/10 5:33 PM, august wrote:


Please post any files that do not work so that I may test them.




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Re: [PD] [readanysf~] refuse 96kbps ogg's!?!

[Derek Holzer]

But please don't post them directly to the list ;-)
Use links.

D.

On 9/21/10 5:33 PM, august wrote:


Please post any files that do not work so that I may test them.


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Re: [PD] [readanysf~] refuse 96kbps ogg's!?!

[august]

Raphael, 

Please post any files that do not work so that I may test them.


-august.



Raphael Raccuia say:
> I didn't experienced problems with mp3, and I don't know about ID3
> tags... I'll check if it's related, and learn about ID3 :-) thank's
> Can anybody reproduce that bug with a 96kbps ogg?
> 
> Pedro Oliveira a écrit :
> >Mp3 files seem to crash Pd this way when they have some ID3 Info.
> >I don't know exactly what causes this problem but I've solved
> >re-exporting them without any ID3 tag, specially artwork.
> >
> >hope it helps.
> >
> >On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Raphael Raccuia
> > >> wrote:
> >
> >Hi list,
> >all in the title... I tried different types (mp3, wav, ogg, at
> >different
> >rates and frequencies...) Some didn't passed: "Invalid file or
> >unsupported codec".
> >The only relation I found on 12 ogg files, the five that didn't passed
> >was at 96kbps rate.
> >[readanysf~] seems a bit unstable: if I [open a_file( and then
> >"compute
> >audio", pd crashes (quit).
> >Is it a problem to use four instances of the object in a patch? I'm
> >building a multiple player for a performance...
> >
> >I'm on Ubuntu Lucid, PD-ext 0.42.5 (from repo), last [readanysf~] from
> >rdz-ppa (had to move it from pd directory to pd-extended)...
> >
> >Thank's for your help...

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Re: [PD] the Pope likes Pd-extended 0.42.5

[ydego...@gmail.com]

Lorenzo wrote:

Dominic Pflaum wrote:
Perhaps I'm missing something here, but am I the only person who 
finds a whole load of swastikas kind of offensive?


If I missed a joke it didn't seem that funny anyway.

Agreed over here :/


sorry you don't understand why it has been posted here
( feel i have to explain like very slooowwly ) ::

i read some messages about some people being fanatic about
one system or another, that's why i remind you
that whatever system you're running,
the computer acts as a dictator in your life.

hihi

and those who can't laugh about swastikas have still
a serious problem with history, imho...

ciao,
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Re: [PD] the Pope likes Pd-extended 0.42.5

[ydego...@gmail.com]

João Pais wrote:
what is the name of the video? here in germany it says that this link 
attents against the law

that's the funniest part about it

ahoj!
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Re: [PD] "I'm on unix, I'm much better than windows users!" (was Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!)

[João Pais]

I'm not defending microsoft. just saying that - according to comments from  
friends using apple, one or two in this list - apple isn't behaving  
un-evil as well.



Microsoft has got 90% of the computer market by the balls. They don't
really need any other tricks than that (such as DRM or whatever). For
Apple or any company, it's a lot easier to expand themselves in a place
where Microsoft isn't already. I think that you understand that Microsoft
got its 90% not just by selling quality software, and that you understand
why so many shops absolutely refuse to sell a computer without Windows
even though there's a market for it. Isn't this the most damaging thing
going on every day in the industry ?

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Re: [PD] [readanysf~] refuse 96kbps ogg's!?!

[Raphael Raccuia]

I didn't experienced problems with mp3, and I don't know about ID3 
tags... I'll check if it's related, and learn about ID3 :-) thank's

Can anybody reproduce that bug with a 96kbps ogg?

Pedro Oliveira a écrit :
Mp3 files seem to crash Pd this way when they have some ID3 Info. I 
don't know exactly what causes this problem but I've solved 
re-exporting them without any ID3 tag, specially artwork.


hope it helps.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Raphael Raccuia 
> wrote:


Hi list,
all in the title... I tried different types (mp3, wav, ogg, at
different
rates and frequencies...) Some didn't passed: "Invalid file or
unsupported codec".
The only relation I found on 12 ogg files, the five that didn't passed
was at 96kbps rate.
[readanysf~] seems a bit unstable: if I [open a_file( and then
"compute
audio", pd crashes (quit).
Is it a problem to use four instances of the object in a patch? I'm
building a multiple player for a performance...

I'm on Ubuntu Lucid, PD-ext 0.42.5 (from repo), last [readanysf~] from
rdz-ppa (had to move it from pd directory to pd-extended)...

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Re: [PD] [readanysf~] refuse 96kbps ogg's!?!

[Pedro Oliveira]

Mp3 files seem to crash Pd this way when they have some ID3 Info. I don't
know exactly what causes this problem but I've solved re-exporting them
without any ID3 tag, specially artwork.

hope it helps.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Raphael Raccuia <
rafael.racc...@blindekinder.com> wrote:

> Hi list,
> all in the title... I tried different types (mp3, wav, ogg, at different
> rates and frequencies...) Some didn't passed: "Invalid file or
> unsupported codec".
> The only relation I found on 12 ogg files, the five that didn't passed
> was at 96kbps rate.
> [readanysf~] seems a bit unstable: if I [open a_file( and then "compute
> audio", pd crashes (quit).
> Is it a problem to use four instances of the object in a patch? I'm
> building a multiple player for a performance...
>
> I'm on Ubuntu Lucid, PD-ext 0.42.5 (from repo), last [readanysf~] from
> rdz-ppa (had to move it from pd directory to pd-extended)...
>
> Thank's for your help...
>
>
>
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Re: [PD] prosilica GigE camera

[Jack]

OK.
Cyrille, do you have an idea about the period you want to test your
camera ?
If i can help, tell me...
++

Jack



Le lundi 20 septembre 2010 à 22:28 +0200, cyrille henry a écrit :
> hello,
> 
> i have planed to test this soon.
> 
> Cyrille
> 
> 
> Le 20/09/2010 22:00, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :
> > On 2010-09-20 15:52, Jack wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Is there someone who has tested a GigE camera with GEM under Linux or
> >> MacOSX ?
> >
> > under linux you would need at least the current SVN snapshot for Gem and
> > get yourself either the HALCON or the AVT APIs.
> > then compile Gem, and make sure you get the videoAVT resp. videoHALCON
> > plugins.
> >
> > since i don't have a prosilica (and nobody has sent me one yet), this is
> > all completely untested.
> >
> >
> > fgmadr
> > IOhannes
> >
> >
> >
> >
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[PD] [readanysf~] refuse 96kbps ogg's!?!

[Raphael Raccuia]

Hi list,
all in the title... I tried different types (mp3, wav, ogg, at different
rates and frequencies...) Some didn't passed: "Invalid file or
unsupported codec". 
The only relation I found on 12 ogg files, the five that didn't passed
was at 96kbps rate.
[readanysf~] seems a bit unstable: if I [open a_file( and then "compute
audio", pd crashes (quit). 
Is it a problem to use four instances of the object in a patch? I'm
building a multiple player for a performance...

I'm on Ubuntu Lucid, PD-ext 0.42.5 (from repo), last [readanysf~] from
rdz-ppa (had to move it from pd directory to pd-extended)...

Thank's for your help...




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Re: [PD] comment connection

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Mon, 20 Sep 2010, Ed Kelly wrote:

I'm just curious - but also if you could change comments then it means 
you could make help files to give you information about installing etc 
the required externals. Then the helpfile would only come up correctly 
if the whole abstraction was working. I'm interested in this - 
Metastudio uses a lot of externals...


I think that it wouldn't be hard to have comments support the same 
self-modification methods that messageboxes do, but I also think that 
there is no real incentive yet.


I don't see why you'd absolutely need your auto-generated installation 
info to be put in a self-modified comment. Isn't that a detail ? Am I 
missing something in your request (such as something to do with GOP) ?


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Re: [PD] "I'm on unix, I'm much better than windows users!" (was Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!)

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, João Pais wrote:

(and the most "coherent" is that they always rebel against windows, but 
not against mac, which in these days is more commercial and bigbrothery 
than windows ever was - acording to some comments from friends that use 
mac)


Microsoft has got 90% of the computer market by the balls. They don't 
really need any other tricks than that (such as DRM or whatever). For 
Apple or any company, it's a lot easier to expand themselves in a place 
where Microsoft isn't already. I think that you understand that Microsoft 
got its 90% not just by selling quality software, and that you understand 
why so many shops absolutely refuse to sell a computer without Windows 
even though there's a market for it. Isn't this the most damaging thing 
going on every day in the industry ?


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Re: [PD] the Pope likes Pd-extended 0.42.5

[João Pais]

what is the name of the video? here in germany it says that this link  
attents against the law, and can't be seen. the facebook links give me  
warnings about malware and pishing, so I didn't click on them.



sorry, can't resist to post a link that makes you wonder
if you control your computer
or your computer is controlling you?

fascist computer  ::


  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FKfxPXFStE
  




link gently provided by kareem from http://www.100copies.com

shukran,
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Re: [PD] pdgst on mac

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

On 2010-09-21 12:15, Nicolas Montgermont wrote:
> 
> 
> what is the next step?

make sure you have the -devel packages installed as well
(gstreamer0.10-devel, gstreamer0.10-plugins-devel).

then get the newest pdgst (i just fixed a couple of minor issues)

then go to pdgst/src, set the PD_SRC, GEM_SRC, SYSTEM*FLAGS and EXT to
match the OSX-specific settings.

something like:
$ make PD_SRC=/path/to/pd/src GEM_SRC=/path/to/gem EXT=pd_darwin
EXT=pd_darwin SYSTEMCFLAGS="-fPIC" SYSTEMLDFLAGS="-bundle -undefined
dynamic_lookup"

yes it's not very comfortable, and totally untested.

fgamdr
IOhannes




> Thanks,
> 
> Nicolas
> 




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Re: [PD] "I'm on unix, I'm much better than windows users!" (was Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!)

[Jose Luis Santorcuato]

Hi friends...My experience with Pure Data in Windows is terrible,
unfortunately here in South America does not dare to implement at the
Universities Unix systems ... is sad that in trying to integrate systems
such as PD, Arduino and Processing is very slow ... falls and crashes ...
doing very well in Linux and Mac, but when bombarded with the Adobe suite is
not much we can do to install Linux ...Furthermore, as media artists have an
ethical commitment to research, which in Windows is difficult to make due to
the closeness of the system and license issue ... It is very interesting
here, is a subject to discuss, perhaps in the next pdcon

Best regards

José

2010/9/21 João Pais 

> If you want to use Windows, use Windows, if you like OS X, use that.
>> And if you use Linux, well, you are on the right side... HEHEHE.
>>
>
> that's my attitude as well. but if someone starts saying "let's not waste
> our time with non-unix systems, they're not open source anyway so it makes
> no sense to let them use our software", I'll soon not be able to do that
> anymore.
> (and the most "coherent" is that they always rebel against windows, but not
> against mac, which in these days is more commercial and bigbrothery than
> windows ever was - acording to some comments from friends that use mac)
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Re: [PD] sssad in pd-extended?

[Frank Barknecht]

Hi,

On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 06:03:34AM -0400, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> I think this has been asked before, but why isn't sssad included in
> pd-extended? It's stable and I've been using it for quite some time
> and I know its getting plenty of use in rjlib.

Apart from being packaged as its own Debian package (which is a new
requirement) it fulfills all requirements for pd-x-inclusion listed on
the puredata.info page. 

Maybe the question should better be: Why was sssad removed from
pd-extended after 0.41 and still is? My inquiries regarding the reasons
like http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-list@iem.at/msg35153.html haven't
been answered. I can live with that, it's well known that I don't use
pd-x (things like the sssad-issue are only reinforcing this decision),
but I know, that many people would love to use sssad or already do but
hate it when they have to install a single-object library manually into
their pd-extended install.

> PS: Thanks 12848492048 times over Frank.

12848492048 welcomes! :) 

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Re: [PD] Re : piezo sensor to pduino object

[Jose Luis Santorcuato]

Hey, the guy is using Arduino, well, you should use a resistance of 1 kohm,
the schedule is the same as I show you, you must use the red wire inside and
black outside your "penny" ... resistance to the ground will be used to
enter the analog, as a ldr, is the same pattern ... You can check it on the
web ...
http://webzone.k3.mah.se/projects/arduino-workshop/projects/arduino_meets_processing/instructions/ldr.html,
also you would need a flex sensor... more stability and non erratic
performance...

Best regards

José




2010/9/20 patrick 

> hi,
>
> what's is your circuit, you can filter a bit the hardware, see:
> http://www.workinprogress.ca/projects/edubeat/source/
>
> for an example, but in your case if you want only a trig (not velocity) you
> can remove the lp filter (C1-R1).
>
> cheers
> pat
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Re: [PD] piezo sensor to pduino object

[Jose Luis Santorcuato]

Hey, the guy is using Arduino, well, you should use a resistance of 1 kohm,
the schedule is the same as I show you, you must use the red wire inside and
black outside your "penny" ... resistance to the ground will be used to
enter the analog, as a ldr, is the same pattern ... You can check it on the
web ...
http://webzone.k3.mah.se/projects/arduino-workshop/projects/arduino_meets_processing/instructions/ldr.html,
also you would need a flex sensor... more stability and non erratic
performance...

Best regards

José

2010/9/20 FernandoG 

> Hi
>
> I need to use a piezo to trigger a bang in a pd patch but i am having some
> problem of inestability. I use the piezo like an analog input to arduino
> board, then comunicate with pduino ( firmata 2.1.) Once in the patch i use
> an arduino object to detect the signal from piezo and a threshold object to
> trigger a bang when the value of the signal goes up the threshold. The
> problem is the acuraccy of the sistem, because is really unprecise,
> sometimes trigger doestn work and some times trigger more bangs than hits to
> the piezzo.
> Anybody knows a efficient way to do this? how can i improve the accuracy?
>
> Thanks ¡¡
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Re: [PD] pdgst on mac

[Nicolas Montgermont]

Le 20/09/10 21:58, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :

do you have gstreamer running for osx?


yes it seems so,

I have installed the 0.10.24-1 version with fink
and when i run this test (found here : 
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/cvs/multimedia/gstreamer.html) :

gst-launch -v fakesrc num_buffers=5 ! fakesink

I have:

Liszt:~ ncio$ gst-launch -v fakesrc num_buffers=5 ! fakesink
Définition du pipeline à PAUSED...
Le pipeline est en phase de PREROLL...
/GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstFakeSrc:fakesrc0: last-message = "get  
*** > (0 bytes, timestamp: none, duration: none, offset: 0, 
offset_end: -1, flags: 0) 0x5e6038"
/GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstFakeSink:fakesink0: last-message = "preroll   
*** "

Le pipeline a terminé la phase PREROLL...
/GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstFakeSink:fakesink0: last-message = "event   
*** E (type: 102, GstEventNewsegment, update=(boolean)false, 
rate=(double)1, applied-rate=(double)1, 
format=(GstFormat)GST_FORMAT_BYTES, start=(gint64)0, stop=(gint64)-1, 
position=(gint64)0;) 0x2e140"

Passage du pipeline à la phase PLAYING...
/GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstFakeSrc:fakesrc0: last-message = "event   
*** E (type: 289, GstEventLatency, latency=(guint64)0;) 0x2e2d0"

New clock: GstSystemClock
/GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstFakeSink:fakesink0: last-message = "chain   
*** < (0 bytes, timestamp: 0:00:00.0, duration: none, 
offset: 0, offset_end: -1, flags: 32) 0x5e6038"
/GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstFakeSrc:fakesrc0: last-message = "get  
*** > (0 bytes, timestamp: none, duration: none, offset: 1, 
offset_end: -1, flags: 0) 0x5e6088"
/GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstFakeSink:fakesink0: last-message = "chain   
*** < (0 bytes, timestamp: 0:00:00.0, duration: none, 
offset: 1, offset_end: -1, flags: 0) 0x5e6088"
/GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstFakeSrc:fakesrc0: last-message = "get  
*** > (0 bytes, timestamp: none, duration: none, offset: 2, 
offset_end: -1, flags: 0) 0x5e60d8"
/GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstFakeSink:fakesink0: last-message = "chain   
*** < (0 bytes, timestamp: 0:00:00.0, duration: none, 
offset: 2, offset_end: -1, flags: 0) 0x5e60d8"
/GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstFakeSrc:fakesrc0: last-message = "get  
*** > (0 bytes, timestamp: none, duration: none, offset: 3, 
offset_end: -1, flags: 0) 0x5e6128"
/GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstFakeSink:fakesink0: last-message = "chain   
*** < (0 bytes, timestamp: 0:00:00.0, duration: none, 
offset: 3, offset_end: -1, flags: 0) 0x5e6128"
/GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstFakeSrc:fakesrc0: last-message = "get  
*** > (0 bytes, timestamp: none, duration: none, offset: 4, 
offset_end: -1, flags: 0) 0x5e6178"
/GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstFakeSink:fakesink0: last-message = "chain   
*** < (0 bytes, timestamp: 0:00:00.0, duration: none, 
offset: 4, offset_end: -1, flags: 0) 0x5e6178"
/GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstFakeSink:fakesink0: last-message = "event   
*** E (type: 86, ) 0x2e140"

EOS reçu de l'élément « pipeline0 ».
Execution ended after 1123000 ns.
Définition du pipeline à PAUSED...
Définition du pipeline à READY (prêt)...
Définition du pipeline à NULL...
Libération du pipeline...

what is the next step?
Thanks,

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Re: [PD] "I'm on unix, I'm much better than windows users!" (was Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!)

[João Pais]

If you want to use Windows, use Windows, if you like OS X, use that.
And if you use Linux, well, you are on the right side... HEHEHE.


that's my attitude as well. but if someone starts saying "let's not waste  
our time with non-unix systems, they're not open source anyway so it makes  
no sense to let them use our software", I'll soon not be able to do that  
anymore.
(and the most "coherent" is that they always rebel against windows, but  
not against mac, which in these days is more commercial and bigbrothery  
than windows ever was - acording to some comments from friends that use  
mac)


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Re: [PD] Pd-berlin meeting on tuesday || 28 || 28 || 28 || not on 21..

[Roberto Duarte]

Hi all
I went to a couple of meetings but found them, as a beginner, not particularly 
motivating. 
I think, if you got some experience with Pd, work best because they are more 
focused on showing what you've already done.

As a beginner, of course, you want to attend because you want to learn from the 
basics, the fundamentals, which is the reason why these meetings tend to become 
pseudo workshops, but from what I read in the forum, there is neither the 
desire nor the idea of doing it this way.
Anyhow, showcasing is also good, because you get the picture of the potential 
and amplitude of pd.

A good solution could be to provide a regularly basic course in Pd (every 
season, or something) in addition to specific workshops (I missed Servando´s 
one, pity!).

This, I think, would be a healthy way to create a more participatory community.

Best

Roberto


El 17/09/2010, a las 18:30, servando barreiro escribió:

> 
> > Mat:  so, how was the pdmtl #6 ? , for sure  when we will have 30 pd 
> > meetings in Berlin it will be quite different..
> 
> I don't remember very much, as pdmtl #6 (six) was nearly six years ago. There 
> were four presentations and a total of 10 people. The attendance was thus 
> much smaller than at the meetings #2, #3, #4, but in the end, our average 
> attendance grew closer to that, with the years.
> 
>   http://artengine.ca/pdmtl/6.html
> 
> pdmtl #36 (thirty-six) has just happened. We were only seven, which is below 
> average. But it was fun, and people seemed happy to meet. Low number of 
> people means that the interactions are easier because with large numbers, 
> people get shy and don't want to disturb. I think that #36 had more questions 
> (during or after the presentations).
> 
> * agree..
> 
> > btw,  are you recording the meetings?
> 
> No. I think that quite a few presentations would just not happen if we 
> recorded them for posterity (or streamed them worldwide). The most popular 
> word in our texts is « uhhh ». ;)
> 
> * In our case is uh..   : )
> 
> Also, do you speak French ? almost all of the presentations happen in French 
> (and not in a european dialect).
> 
> *very little, but maybe enough to follow a pd conversation.. 
> 
> > I would love to attend them to take ideas for the Berlin meet., Slowly or 
> > not so slowly, the Berlin meeting will develope. Time is an important 
> > factor here..
> 
> pdmtl originally got a real quick start. our record number of people was 25 
> at the #3 in march 2004. the problem was in keeping it a large number over 
> the years because many people come and go and expectations come and go.
> 
> * Pd Berlin also had packed days in the beguinning.  some people at Nk were 
> surprised somehow to see the amount of people in the early meetings in 
> comparison with the supercollider meet. 
> 
> But.. as we know, the quality it´s not in the number...  and definitely, we 
> had very nice and inspiring meetings until now, specially this days with 
> "surprise" guests  and also improvised "last-patch showcase"..  I have to 
> apologize for non documenting and archiving the pdBln meets as they deserve.. 
>  but well.. It´s never too late (and I still have some vids and pics from 
> former meetings..).
> 
> As I see in  your arquive from pdmtl, seems to be quite more serious and 
> organized than pdBln but of course, we are different countries, cultures and 
> approaches but both of them valid..  B-)
> 
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Re: [PD] vector based panning

[Derek Holzer]

VBAP is in Extended or find it here:

http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/software/vbap/Pure_Data/

D.

On 9/21/10 6:38 AM, ronni montoya wrote:

hello, i was wondering if there are some vector based panning in pd?
maybe there are some abstractions or externals?



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Re: [PD] [pdgst] and [pix_pix2gst] problem to stream

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

On 2010-09-21 09:35, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

>> All works fine if i use [v4l2src].
> 
> you mean: from within pdgst?

ah i see, it works within pdgst if i use [testvideosrc].

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Re: [PD] [pdgst] and [pix_pix2gst] problem to stream

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

On 2010-09-21 03:53, Jack wrote:
> Is there someone who has succeeded to send a stream to an Icecast2
> server with :
> 
> [pix_pix2gst yuv 128 64]
>   |
>  [typefind] (or without)
>   |
>  [ffmpegcolorspace]
>   |
>  [theoraenc]
>   |
>  [oggmux]
>   |
>  [shout2send]
> 
> Here, i still get nothing.

confirmed.

it seems like for this to run, we need to implementt he "stream-status"
messages, which were brandnew at the time of writing pdgst (and badly
documented, iirc).

> All works fine if i use [v4l2src].

you mean: from within pdgst?

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Re: [PD] vector based panning

[Peter Plessas]

Dear Ronni,

just type "pd vbap" into a decent search engine, such as https://ixquick.com

P.

On 09/21/2010 06:38 AM, ronni montoya wrote:
> hello, i was wondering if there are some vector based panning in pd?
> maybe there are some abstractions or externals?
> 
> any idea?
> 
> thanks in advance
> 
> 
> R.
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