Re: [PD] where to find $ args

2011-01-24 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
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On 2011-01-23 12:49, Rich E wrote:
 Hi list,
 
 If I were to make an external that has access to $ arguments, does anyone
 know where I can find the necessary methods for retrieving this information?
  Or is it only available at instantiation?
 
 Most importantly, I am looking for a way to get the $0 value of a patch from
 C.

for $0, see the various implementations in iemlib, iemguts, tof, ...
for other $args there is usually no need to find them, as the user could
just supply them to your object.
if you really need them, there are a number of implementations out there
as well, e.g. in iemlib, iemguts, tof,...

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Re: [PD] Pager in documentation

2011-01-24 Thread Willy WOLFF

I saw for 0.INTRO.txt, i don't find it in the tarball release.

This file really exist?

I think, is name have change, not?

See on http://www.crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Pd_documentation/x1.htm

 [...]For a list of all the objects you can use in Pd, see the text 
file, 0.INTRO.txt in the directory, ../5.reference. [...] 


In this directory, we have  0_all_guis-INTRO.txt 

Probably documentation are obsolete.

Or, you can find assistance to start pd in 1.manual/1.introduction.txt.

Cordialement,
Willy WOLFF.

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Re: [PD] HPGL tools for drawing pd patches and more

2011-01-24 Thread ALAN BROOKER
you mean this ?

http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/dataformats/hpgl/

http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/dataformats/hpgl/any pics?

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:25 AM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.cawrote:


 Btw I'm currently developing several other pieces in my HPGL (plotter)
 chain tool :

  [hpgl_to_lines], converter from hpgl to line segments

  [hpgl_objectbox], to draw an objectbox as hpgl (one inlet, one outlet)

  [hpgl_messagebox], to draw a messagebox as hpgl (one inlet, one outlet)

  [hpgl_from_patch], convert from pd patch format to hpgl

 In those cases, when it says from hpgl and to hpgl, those are pd
 messages, and you need [plotter_parser] to parse hpgl bytes, and/or
 [plotter_control] to produce hpgl bytes (or neither if you only use the hpgl
 messages as an intermediate format between two other things).

 Is anyone else interested in that kind of thing ?

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Re: [PD] Pd-extended and Firefox

2011-01-24 Thread patrick

if you don't need ADC you can start pdextended with:
pdextended -nrt -alsa -alsaadd default -audiodev 3 -noadc -audiobuf 50

no need to have jack running this way
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Re: [PD] HPGL tools for drawing pd patches and more

2011-01-24 Thread Mathieu Bouchard

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011, ALAN BROOKER wrote:


you mean this ? 
http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/dataformats/hpgl/


Yes, but actually, we're only using a tiny subset of it in practice : 
mostly just the PA/PD/PU/LB commands.



any pics?


This is hpgl_from_patch.pd drawing itself as hpgl converted to line list 
converted to pixels :

  http://gridflow.ca/gallery/hpgl_from_patch.png

Note, however, that it assumes every object has exactly one inlet and one 
outlet.


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[PD] [PD-announce] Infinite Glitch

2011-01-24 Thread Ben Baker-Smith
Hello List,

Today is the official release of Infinite Glitch, an online based artwork
that was created using, among other things, Pd-extended and PdGst. Thanks so
much to everyone who has helped with the development of these great tools!

You can read through the description below or jump straight to the project
page: http://infiniteglitch.com

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Every day an incomprehensible number of new digital media files are uploaded
to hosting sites across the internet. Far too many for any one person to
consume. Infinite Glitch http://infiniteglitch.com/ is a
stream-of-conciousness representation of this overwhelming flood of media,
its fractured and degraded sounds and images reflecting how little we as an
audience are able to retain from this daily barrage.
 http://infiniteglitch.com/

Infinite Glitch http://infiniteglitch.com/ is an automated system that
generates an ever-changing audio/video stream from the constantly increasing
mass of media files freely available on the web. Source audio and video
files are ripped from a variety of popular media hosting sites, torn apart,
and recombined using collage and glitch techniques to create an organic,
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Infinite Glitch

2011-01-24 Thread ALAN BROOKER
impressive! :)

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Ben Baker-Smith bbakersm...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hello List,

 Today is the official release of Infinite Glitch, an online based artwork
 that was created using, among other things, Pd-extended and PdGst. Thanks so
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 You can read through the description below or jump straight to the project
 page: http://infiniteglitch.com

 --

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 stream-of-conciousness representation of this overwhelming flood of media,
 its fractured and degraded sounds and images reflecting how little we as an
 audience are able to retain from this daily barrage.
  http://infiniteglitch.com/

 Infinite Glitch http://infiniteglitch.com/ is an automated system that
 generates an ever-changing audio/video stream from the constantly increasing
 mass of media files freely available on the web. Source audio and video
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Infinite Glitch

2011-01-24 Thread Tedb0t
This is so awesome, I know a couple people who will also LOVE this...

±±t3db0t

On Jan 24, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Ben Baker-Smith wrote:

 Hello List,
 
 Today is the official release of Infinite Glitch, an online based artwork 
 that was created using, among other things, Pd-extended and PdGst. Thanks so 
 much to everyone who has helped with the development of these great tools!
 
 You can read through the description below or jump straight to the project 
 page: http://infiniteglitch.com
 --
 Every day an incomprehensible number of new digital media files are uploaded 
 to hosting sites across the internet. Far too many for any one person to 
 consume. Infinite Glitch is a stream-of-conciousness representation of this 
 overwhelming flood of media, its fractured and degraded sounds and images 
 reflecting how little we as an audience are able to retain from this daily 
 barrage.
 
 Infinite Glitch is an automated system that generates an ever-changing 
 audio/video stream from the constantly increasing mass of media files freely 
 available on the web. Source audio and video files are ripped from a variety 
 of popular media hosting sites, torn apart, and recombined using collage and 
 glitch techniques to create an organic, chaotic flood of sensory input.
 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Infinite Glitch

2011-01-24 Thread Pedro Lopes
We (at NetAudioLx) loved it :)

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Tedb0t li...@liminastudio.com wrote:

 This is so awesome, I know a couple people who will also LOVE this...

 ±±t3db0t

 On Jan 24, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Ben Baker-Smith wrote:

 Hello List,

 Today is the official release of Infinite Glitch, an online based artwork
 that was created using, among other things, Pd-extended and PdGst. Thanks so
 much to everyone who has helped with the development of these great tools!

 You can read through the description below or jump straight to the project
 page: http://infiniteglitch.com

 --

 Every day an incomprehensible number of new digital media files are
 uploaded to hosting sites across the internet. Far too many for any one
 person to consume. Infinite Glitch http://infiniteglitch.com/ is a
 stream-of-conciousness representation of this overwhelming flood of media,
 its fractured and degraded sounds and images reflecting how little we as an
 audience are able to retain from this daily barrage.
  http://infiniteglitch.com/

 Infinite Glitch http://infiniteglitch.com/ is an automated system that
 generates an ever-changing audio/video stream from the constantly increasing
 mass of media files freely available on the web. Source audio and video
 files are ripped from a variety of popular media hosting sites, torn apart,
 and recombined using collage and glitch techniques to create an organic,
 chaotic flood of sensory input.

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Infinite Glitch

2011-01-24 Thread mark hadman
Video's kind of OK (low bandwidth compression, to be expected) but the
audio is really unlistenable - it seems to be entirely composed of
high-pitched squealing, white/pink noise and fast-forward noises.
(Linux 2.6.36-ARCH, Firefox 3.6.13 with gecko/mplayer plugin, also
VLC).


On 24 January 2011 17:42, Pedro Lopes pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt wrote:
 We (at NetAudioLx) loved it :)

 On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Tedb0t li...@liminastudio.com wrote:

 This is so awesome, I know a couple people who will also LOVE this...
 ±±t3db0t
 On Jan 24, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Ben Baker-Smith wrote:

 Hello List,

 Today is the official release of Infinite Glitch, an online based artwork
 that was created using, among other things, Pd-extended and PdGst. Thanks so
 much to everyone who has helped with the development of these great tools!

 You can read through the description below or jump straight to the project
 page: http://infiniteglitch.com

 --

 Every day an incomprehensible number of new digital media files are
 uploaded to hosting sites across the internet. Far too many for any one
 person to consume. Infinite Glitch is a stream-of-conciousness
 representation of this overwhelming flood of media, its fractured and
 degraded sounds and images reflecting how little we as an audience are able
 to retain from this daily barrage.

 Infinite Glitch is an automated system that generates an ever-changing
 audio/video stream from the constantly increasing mass of media files freely
 available on the web. Source audio and video files are ripped from a variety
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Infinite Glitch

2011-01-24 Thread Theron Trowbridge
Yeah, isn't it great?


-Theron
^

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:08 AM, mark hadman markhad...@googlemail.comwrote:

 Video's kind of OK (low bandwidth compression, to be expected) but the
 audio is really unlistenable - it seems to be entirely composed of
 high-pitched squealing, white/pink noise and fast-forward noises.
 (Linux 2.6.36-ARCH, Firefox 3.6.13 with gecko/mplayer plugin, also
 VLC).


 On 24 January 2011 17:42, Pedro Lopes pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt wrote:
  We (at NetAudioLx) loved it :)
 
  On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Tedb0t li...@liminastudio.com wrote:
 
  This is so awesome, I know a couple people who will also LOVE this...
  ±±t3db0t
  On Jan 24, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Ben Baker-Smith wrote:
 
  Hello List,
 
  Today is the official release of Infinite Glitch, an online based
 artwork
  that was created using, among other things, Pd-extended and PdGst.
 Thanks so
  much to everyone who has helped with the development of these great
 tools!
 
  You can read through the description below or jump straight to the
 project
  page: http://infiniteglitch.com
 
  --
 
  Every day an incomprehensible number of new digital media files are
  uploaded to hosting sites across the internet. Far too many for any one
  person to consume. Infinite Glitch is a stream-of-conciousness
  representation of this overwhelming flood of media, its fractured and
  degraded sounds and images reflecting how little we as an audience are
 able
  to retain from this daily barrage.
 
  Infinite Glitch is an automated system that generates an ever-changing
  audio/video stream from the constantly increasing mass of media files
 freely
  available on the web. Source audio and video files are ripped from a
 variety
  of popular media hosting sites, torn apart, and recombined using collage
 and
  glitch techniques to create an organic, chaotic flood of sensory input.
 
  Ben Baker-Smith
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Re: [PD] interaural time differences

2011-01-24 Thread Pedro Lopes
I'm also interested in a ITD implementation. Nice that you bring this up.

Anyway as far as spatialization I've used, within PD, ambisonics and VPAB.

A) This paper talks a bit about using ITD althouth its focused on binaural:
http://www.limsi.fr/Individu/doukhan/uploads/Research/doukhan_pdcon09.pdf (also
the slides are online...
http://www.limsi.fr/Individu/doukhan/uploads/Research/doukhan_pdcon09_slides.pdf)
- this is from Pd Con 2009, from David Doukhan and Anne S edes.
B) Also I've stumble upon this:
http://compmus.ime.usp.br/en/hrtfinterpolation, although they also go for
Binaural implementations.

Interesting reads if we go nuts and implement the ITD external *(if there's
not one out there*):
1) http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~ramani/hrtf/duda_umd00_slides.pdf
2) http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-timedelayphase.htm

Best regards,
Pedro

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:21 PM, ronni montoya ronni.mont...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi, i was wondering if somebody have implemented an example patch that
 uses interaural time differences in pd?


 thanks

 R.

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[PD] making a list for a matrix

2011-01-24 Thread mami music
Hi guys
Im receiving a list of flotas from a process. I want to add this list to a
specific row of a matrix using [matrix] from /iemmatrix library.
The method to add a row to [matrix] is to make a message which first element
is 'row', then a float with the row number, and then the floats that make
the row.

The problem i have is that when i pack the whole message and print it iget
'list' preceding the list (see below), so when i send it to the [matrix]
object i get the matrix: sparse matrices not yet supported : use
mtx_check ! error.

So the question is:
How can i make this message without having to use the message object because
it should have fixed dollar sign variables and the matrix i want to fill
might change its length from time to time.

Thanks in advance

/D

print: list row 5 0 1 0.455 0.5 0.5 0 0 0 0.5 0.5 0 0 0 1 1 0.385 0 0 0
0.33 0 0 0 0 0 0.442308 0 0.269231 0 0.33 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0.378709 0.5 0.04 0.5 0 0.115385 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.74 0.325 0.345 0.43 0
0.065 0.325 0.285 0 0.045
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Re: [PD] making a list for a matrix

2011-01-24 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
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On 2011-01-24 20:53, mami music wrote:
 Hi guys
 Im receiving a list of flotas from a process. I want to add this list to a
 specific row of a matrix using [matrix] from /iemmatrix library.
 The method to add a row to [matrix] is to make a message which first element
 is 'row', then a float with the row number, and then the floats that make
 the row.
 
 The problem i have is that when i pack the whole message and print it iget
 'list' preceding the list (see below), so when i send it to the [matrix]
 object i get the matrix: sparse matrices not yet supported : use
 mtx_check ! error.
 
 So the question is:
 How can i make this message without having to use the message object because
 it should have fixed dollar sign variables and the matrix i want to fill
 might change its length from time to time.
 

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Re: [PD] Pager in documentation

2011-01-24 Thread Ed Kelly
I saw for 0.INTRO.txt, i don't find it in the tarball release.


This file really exist?
 
For a list of all PD vanilla objects, just right-click in empty space in a PD 
patch and choose help

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[PD] Really random random from date and time

2011-01-24 Thread Ed Kelly
Hi list,

I'd like my patch to create a different random each time it's loaded.

I'm using [urn] so I tried feeding a [random 500] - [seed $1( into the [urn], 
but every time it's the same result. According to the documentation if you 
don't give it a seed then each instance of random gets its own seed but every 
time I initiate the patch the result is the same.

Is there an object that will give me the current date and/or time, so that I 
can 
use that as a seed to the random and urn objects???

11010001001001011
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[PD] [pool] build fails on linux

2011-01-24 Thread Yvan Volochine
hi,
trying to build pool from latest svn (and latest pd git) I get this error:

make[1]: Entering directory `/home/delf/dev/pool/source'
/bin/bash ../libtool --tag=CXX   --mode=link g++ -O2
-I/usr/local/include/flext -I/home/delf/dev/pure-data/src   -no-undefined
-module -shrext .pd_linux -avoid-version -L/usr/local/lib -lpd
-lflext-pd_s-o pool.la -rpath /usr/local/lib pool_la-main.lo
pool_la-pool.lo pool_la-data.lo
libtool: link: g++ -shared -nostdlib
/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.4.3/../../../../lib/crti.o
/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.4.3/crtbeginS.o  .libs/pool_la-main.o
.libs/pool_la-pool.o .libs/pool_la-data.o   -L/usr/local/lib -lpd
-lflext-pd_s -L/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.4.3
-L/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.4.3/../../../../lib -L/lib/../lib
-L/usr/lib/../lib -L/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.4.3/../../..
-L/usr/lib/i486-linux-gnu -lstdc++ -lm -lc -lgcc_s
/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.4.3/crtendS.o
/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.4.3/../../../../lib/crtn.o-Wl,-soname
-Wl,pool.pd_linux -o .libs/pool.pd_linux
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpd
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[1]: *** [pool.la] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/delf/dev/pool/source'
make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
zsh: exit 2 make

am I missing a path or something ?
./configure --with-sysdir=/PATH/TO/PD/SRC did find pd headers and all, now I
have no idea about what is going wrong...

any hint is much appreciated,

cheers,
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Re: [PD] Really random random from date and time

2011-01-24 Thread Mathieu Bouchard

On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, Ed Kelly wrote:


Is there an object that will give me the current date and/or time, so that I can
use that as a seed to the random and urn objects???


http://gridflow.ca/help/unix_time-help.html

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Re: [PD] Really random random from date and time

2011-01-24 Thread Mathieu Bouchard

On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, Ed Kelly wrote:

I'm using [urn] so I tried feeding a [random 500] - [seed $1( into the 
[urn], but every time it's the same result. According to the 
documentation if you don't give it a seed then each instance of random 
gets its own seed but every time I initiate the patch the result is the 
same.


BTW there is also [# rand] which uses libc's random() (actually 
random()%n), and also, merely loading gridflow will call srandom() to seed 
it with the system time.


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Re: [PD] keyword/regexp search of documentation in a plugin

2011-01-24 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
Remixed!

-Jonathan

--- On Thu, 1/13/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:

 From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
 Subject: Re: [PD] keyword/regexp search of documentation in a plugin
 To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
 Cc: pd-list PD-list@iem.at
 Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 6:00 PM
 Attached is an updated version:
 
 
 On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:13 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
 
  1 the results aren't clickable
 
 Which platform?  They are for me on Ubuntu/maverick,
 Mac OS X 10.5 and 10.6.
 
  2 you can't enter multiple non-contiguous terms
 
 Its a regexp really, so it doesn't really do keyword
 searches.  Ideally, this would use a search engine like
 xapian, then it could do keyword searches.  I just
 added code to replace spaces in the searchtext with the
 regexp code .* so that it'll search non-contiguous words,
 but the first word will always be before the second in
 search results.
 
  3 no control over AND vs. OR (or is there?)
 
 regexp
 
  4 doesn't differentiate between tutorial/example
 patches and object-help
  patches (what if I just want to find the object named
 'gate'?)
 
 Hmm, that wouldn't be too hard to do, I guess it would be a
 pull down menu of: object, message, comment, array, any.
 
  5 most of the results don't fit into the window size
 
 The window should be resizable.
 
  6 full text search makes it impossible to get useful
 results for 'float',
  array', 'list', etc.
 
 That sounds like fully typed searching, which would be very
 nice, but much harder to do.  My goal right now is to
 get a basic search function working.  Hopefully my code
 is clear enough that others will make their own custom
 search plugins.  I could see simple search, regexp,
 search engine, etc.
 
  7 can't search by inlet, object function, author, etc.
 (PDDP META tags)
 
 Why not?  This works for me: author.*steiner
 
  8 non-friendly user interface
 
 I spruced it up a bit with this latest version.
 
  9 it doesn't seem to be searching the manual
 
 Ah, I'll add .html to the file types it searches.
 
 .hc
 
  
  I've already got a pd patch that is well on its way to
 curing 1-8 (posted
  screenshots awhile back), but it requires toxy, which
 seems to have been
  removed from pd-ext, and there is currently no
 (non-buggy) tk 'entry'
  object in existence.
  
  -Jonathan
  
  
  --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
 wrote:
  
  From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
  Subject: [PD] keyword/regexp search of
 documentation in a plugin
  To: pd-list PD-list@iem.at
  Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 7:10 AM
  
  Hey all,
  
  At the strong urging of Sofy Yuditskaya, I finally
 wrote up
  a quick
  interface for searching the Pd docs using a
 keyword or a
  regexp.  Its in
  the form of an 0.43 plugin, so you can just drop
 it into
  your
  user-folder and you should get a Search item on
 the Help
  menu.
  
  Test it out and let me know how it works for you.
  
  .hc
  
  
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  # plugin to allow searching all the documentation using a regexp
# check the Help menu for the Search item to use it

package require Tk 8.5
package require pd_bindings
package require pd_menucommands

namespace eval ::dialog_search:: {
variable searchtext {}
variable count {}
variable search_history {}
variable history_position 0
variable object_state {1}
variable all_about_state {1}
variable tutorial_state {1}
variable other_state {1}

}

proc ::dialog_search::get_history {direction textwidget} {
variable search_history
variable history_position

incr history_position $direction
if {$history_position  0} {set history_position 0}
if {$history_position  [llength $search_history]} {
set history_position [llength $search_history]
}
$textwidget delete 0 end
$textwidget insert 0 [lindex $search_history end-[expr $history_position - 1]]
$textwidget selection range 0 end
}

# TODO search type pulldown menu: object, message, comment, array, any
# TODO search filenames also
# TODO check line formatting options

# find_doc_files
# basedir - the directory to start looking in
proc ::dialog_search::find_doc_files { basedir } {
# Fix the directory name, this ensures the directory name is in the
# native format for the platform and contains a final directory seperator
set basedir [string trimright [file join $basedir { }]]
set fileList {}

# Look in the current directory for matching files, -type {f r}
# means ony readable normal files are looked at, -nocomplain stops
# an error being thrown if the returned list is empty
foreach 

Re: [PD] Really random random from date and time

2011-01-24 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
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On 2011-01-25 01:58, Ed Kelly wrote:
 Hi list,
 
 I'd like my patch to create a different random each time it's loaded.
 
 I'm using [urn] so I tried feeding a [random 500] - [seed $1( into the 
 [urn], 
 but every time it's the same result. According to the documentation if you 
 don't give it a seed then each instance of random gets its own seed but 
 every 
 time I initiate the patch the result is the same.
 
 Is there an object that will give me the current date and/or time, so that I 
 can 
 use that as a seed to the random and urn objects???

zexy's [time] and [date]


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