Re: [PD] tracking multiblob with constant ID

[Jaime Oliver]

Well, the object is independent of centroid or min/max or overlap. isn' it?
that just depends on the particular aim of each user.
matching nearest neighbors remains a useful object to have...

> That's why [#labelling] also outputs a version of the incoming grid in which 
>the "1" regions have all been flood-filled with distinct integers (numbered 
>from 2 upwards ; it can go well beyond 255 if needed).

I am not entirely sure what you mean by this...

best,

J
>
> However, I don't know any easy way to compare two images for overlap (in 
> number of pixels), and I have not tried this yet (nor any other form of 
> tracking of the found regions).



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Re: [PD] tracking multiblob with constant ID

[Jaime Oliver]

hi

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Dario Pedrioli wrote:
>
> if I type make the result is:
>
>> No rule to create target ".pd_linux" etc...
>>
>
how about:

make tracks.pd_linux

best,

J

>
> So I tried "make tracks" and the result is:
>
>> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.5/../../../../lib/crt1.o: In function
>> `_start':
>> (.text+0x20): undefined reference to `main'
>> /tmp/cchy6LXp.o: In function `tracks_weights':
>> tracks.c:(.text+0x141): undefined reference to `post'
>> tracks.c:(.text+0x162): undefined reference to `post'
>>
> [...]
>>
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>> make: *** [tracks] Errore 1
>>
>
> I'm not an expert in compiling, so if someone has some hints... thanks in
> advance.
>
> Ciao, Dario
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] GridFlow 9.13

[philippe boisnard]

I have tested the new version of binary (on snow leopard//64bits) this morning, 
and no problem at this time for me. 


Le 21 févr. 2011 à 07:28, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit :

> 
> Although GridFlow 9.13 was released as source on 8 february, this 
> announcement comes late, on 21 february, because the executable packages were 
> not ready. Furthermore, this time, we have only executable packages for 
> OSX-Intel and Windows.
> 
>  Get it at http://gridflow.ca/
> 
> Now here's the usual ChangeLog.
> 
> -8 
> version 9.13 (2011.02.08):
> 
> * added classes [azerty_piano], [hpgl_to_lines], [hpgl_objectbox],
>   [hpgl_messagebox], [hpgl_from_patch], [#draw_lattice]
> * [#expr]: added functions "if", "pow" (numop ** aliased to pow)
> * numop1: added fact (factorial or "gamma function" which is not [#
>   gamma])
> * numop1: added log2, log10, C.log2, C.log10, unary+
> * numop1: aliased log and C.log to ln and C.ln
> * numop1: added asin acos atan asinh acosh atanh
> * [#]: don't check type of right-grid when one-input operator
> * [#]: fix one-input vecop support (complex numbers)
> * [#]: don't ask for N elements in right inlet for a one-input operator
> * [#expr]: fixed several parsing bugs
> * numop2 weight becomes a numop1 (single inlet)
> * x11 is now a load-time option
> * [#io.x11]: added methods "query_pointer" and "out_size_minimum"
> * [route3]: fixed right outlet bug
> * parens in messages are no longer parsed automatically as nested-lists.
>   (parens in objectboxes still are, of course)
> * [gf/find_file] now looks up relative names in gridflow/images
>   even when they contain a slash (or several).
> * [gf/error]: added method 'uplevel'
> * [#in] and [#out]: in case of unknown suffix, say 'not open' afterwards
> * [#redim]: argument defaults to ()
> * former numop "atan" renamed to "atan2cd"
> * [#inner] and [#convolve]: add seedless mode (without typecheck
>   annoyance)
> * [unix_time]: fixed the month number bug
> * [#fold]: much faster in the case folding over a dim that has only 1
>   index
> * [#from_pix]: much faster rgba->rgba conversion
> * [#from_pix]: added conversion to colorspace y
> * [#from_pix]: added conversion from [pix_grey] mode
> * osx package gets MMX support (on Intel)
> * osx package gets libquicktime support (including encoding)
> * the win32 package is back !
> * pdp support missing in source package (by accident; fixed in 9.14)
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[PD] [PD-announce] GridFlow 9.13

[Mathieu Bouchard]

Although GridFlow 9.13 was released as source on 8 february, this 
announcement comes late, on 21 february, because the executable packages 
were not ready. Furthermore, this time, we have only executable packages 
for OSX-Intel and Windows.


  Get it at http://gridflow.ca/

Now here's the usual ChangeLog.

-8rgba conversion
 * [#from_pix]: added conversion to colorspace y
 * [#from_pix]: added conversion from [pix_grey] mode
 * osx package gets MMX support (on Intel)
 * osx package gets libquicktime support (including encoding)
 * the win32 package is back !
 * pdp support missing in source package (by accident; fixed in 9.14)

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Re: [PD] pd-kinect-skeleton

[philippe boisnard]

No problem with snow leopard, I work since 2 months with 
look this video
http://www.vimeo.com/20050533
it's an extract of the performance with the french dancer Estelle de 
Montalembert that we have presented in Germany, there is two days 

if you have installed Open nit, use this


osceletonpd.pd
Description: Binary data

you have in the patch good variables and the sceleton 


Le 19 févr. 2011 à 19:31, Pagano, Patrick a écrit :

> 
> Hi
> 
> I have snow leopard and a kinect and would love to try this out, but I am
> a little confused by the insane flurry of emails regarding this.
> Does the kinect work with pd?
> 
> What does one need to build or prepare for the patches to work?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> pp
> 
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[PD] time to test 9.13 on osx-intel

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Mike Moser-Booth wrote:

Success! Screenshot attached.


Alright. I overwrote gridflow-9.13-macosx104-i386.tar.gz (test5) with 
test11, and I deleted test6,7,8,9,10. If there are no bug reports about 
this build now, we'll call it a release.


gridflow-9.13-macosx104-i386.tar.gz is now test12. I hope that this is the 
last one. This fixes the priority order between [#io.quicktimeapple] and 
[#io.quicktimehw] for the file suffix association of "*.mov".


 http://gridflow.ca/download/packages/gridflow-9.13-macosx104-i386.tar.gz


and test13 replaces test12, reintroducing PDP support (oops).

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[PD] [PD-announce] patch dans patch (part 4)

[Mathieu Bouchard]

4ième partie :

http://gridflow.ca/gallery/patch_dans_patch_f.png
http://gridflow.ca/gallery/patch_dans_patch_g.png
http://gridflow.ca/gallery/patch_dans_patch_h.png
http://gridflow.ca/gallery/patch_dans_patch_i.png
http://gridflow.ca/gallery/patch_dans_patch_j.png
http://gridflow.ca/gallery/patch_dans_patch_k.png

On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:


http://gridflow.ca/gallery/patch_dans_patch_a.png
http://gridflow.ca/gallery/patch_dans_patch_b.png
http://gridflow.ca/gallery/patch_dans_patch_c.png
http://gridflow.ca/gallery/patch_dans_patch_d.png
http://gridflow.ca/gallery/patch_dans_patch_e.png


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Re: [PD] time to test 9.13 on osx-intel (fwd)

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:


On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Mike Moser-Booth wrote:

Success! Screenshot attached.


Alright. I overwrote gridflow-9.13-macosx104-i386.tar.gz (test5) with test11, 
and I deleted test6,7,8,9,10. If there are no bug reports about this build 
now, we'll call it a release.


gridflow-9.13-macosx104-i386.tar.gz is now test12. I hope that this is the 
last one. This fixes the priority order between [#io.quicktimeapple] and 
[#io.quicktimehw] for the file suffix association of "*.mov".


  http://gridflow.ca/download/packages/gridflow-9.13-macosx104-i386.tar.gz

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Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter

[Jonathan Wilkes]

--- On Sun, 2/20/11, Mathieu Bouchard  wrote:

> From: Mathieu Bouchard 
> Subject: Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter
> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" 
> Cc: "Hans-Christoph Steiner" , pd-list@iem.at
> Date: Sunday, February 20, 2011, 11:31 PM
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2011, Jonathan Wilkes
> wrote:
> 
> > I don't understand this process.  I understand
> the order, but why, for
> > example, does
> > [./sigmund~] create an instance of the sigmund~
> class?
> 
> It's not like shell commands : even relative names that
> contain slashes are looked for in the -path. In that sense,
> it's more like gcc's -I options (including C_INCLUDE_PATH,
> CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH and the implicit /usr/include and
> stuff).

I'm only familiar with the shell usage.  I'm having trouble seeing the 
benefit of how Pd does it-- seems like it renders "./" pretty much 
meaningless, and "../" means "search the parent directory of every 
dir in the path", which seems like something one would rarely do.  Am I 
misunderstanding something?

> 
> >> How can those classes affect those users ? I
> mean, how can
> >> the collection of pd-extended classes act like a
> haze, when
> >> the users don't look at a list of 2000 classes ?
> > Well if you use Pd Vanilla and want to find an object
> that does something,
> > you look for it, find it (or not), and start using
> it.
> 
> But I mean, if you look at Miller's index while in
> Pd-extended, you only see the list of the classes that are
> in Vanilla. It's not like the 2345 other classes are
> actively bugging you in this context. It's a completely
> different game than going in the "5.reference" folder. You
> don't need to install Vanilla to benefit from Miller's help
> files.
> 
> > Also, keep in mind that currently it's hard to ask Pd
> Extended
> > to show you all the externals that do the thing you
> want to do, and get
> > back a meaningful answer.
> 
> You mean you can ask it...? (you mean 43 ?)
> 
> > * and of course you right-click to see what library it
> is actually in but Pd's search party comes back with very
> bad news: "Sorry, ma'am, but your child never even
> existed..."
> 
> Which error message do you actually mean ?
> 
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Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:


I don't understand this process.  I understand the order, but why, for
example, does
[./sigmund~] create an instance of the sigmund~ class?


It's not like shell commands : even relative names that contain slashes 
are looked for in the -path. In that sense, it's more like gcc's -I 
options (including C_INCLUDE_PATH, CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH and the implicit 
/usr/include and stuff).



How can those classes affect those users ? I mean, how can
the collection of pd-extended classes act like a haze, when
the users don't look at a list of 2000 classes ?

Well if you use Pd Vanilla and want to find an object that does something,
you look for it, find it (or not), and start using it.


But I mean, if you look at Miller's index while in Pd-extended, you only 
see the list of the classes that are in Vanilla. It's not like the 2345 
other classes are actively bugging you in this context. It's a completely 
different game than going in the "5.reference" folder. You don't need to 
install Vanilla to benefit from Miller's help files.



Also, keep in mind that currently it's hard to ask Pd Extended
to show you all the externals that do the thing you want to do, and get
back a meaningful answer.


You mean you can ask it...? (you mean 43 ?)

* and of course you right-click to see what library it is actually in 
but Pd's search party comes back with very bad news: "Sorry, ma'am, but 
your child never even existed..."


Which error message do you actually mean ?

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd basic for multimedia workshop at HONF ID

[: a]

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hi guys,

we have a documentation of the Pd Basic For Multimedia workshop at  
HONF couple weeks ago in here:

http://wiki.natural-fiber.com/Workshop_Pemrograman_TropisSubsonics [+]

cheers,
:a
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andreas siagian
the house of natural fiber [HONF]
yogyakarta new media art laboratory
jl. wora wari a 80/6 baciro 55252
yogyakarta indonesia
p: +628175471005
url: http://natural-fiber.com
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On 2 Feb 2011, at 02:11, :a wrote:


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hi guys,


thanks for the responds, i'm so glad to follow the suggestion from  
rybn to post this on pd-list.


we actually have started making pd workshops before:
http://natural-fiber.com/yivf/index.php/yivf04-out-of-it/out-of- 
daily/90-vj-school-program-1st-a-2nd-session

on this one we are not specific only on pd, but other software too,
we introduced the use of pd and gem in vj-ing and visual  
performative tools to profesional vjs and students.


http://breakcorelabs.wordpress.com/projects/pdworkshopsurabaya/
on this one we have good responds, we used mostly manuals on pd  
library but we didn't translate it to indonesian, so the responds  
only last temporarily.

i guess a continual is required to help the community grows.

the next workshop is a trial and we have a different approaches,
we will hand over modul with how to, practices, links and external  
links and also cd installer,

for 16 people who have registered the workshop.
all materials will be in indonesian and for free of course :)

thanks alot for the patches jack, we will make a patch repository  
page so the public can use it,
thanks for the input hans, since we have a plan to continue the  
workshop in the next two weeks,
and yes adit, indonesian should be very helpful on the long run, we  
will make it after the workshop.

adit, is there a possibility to meet you in person, maybe at HONF?

if any have inputs, please, we're happy to receive :)


best,
:a


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url: http://natural-fiber.com
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On 1 Feb 2011, at 09:26, Adityo Pratomo wrote:

Yes, a proper PD workshop. Good for you guys :D As a proud  
Indonesian PD
user since 2008, it's nice to see that HONF is constantly  
spreading the use

of PD as a creative tool for artist.

Anyway Hans, thank you for making a possibility of localizing PD,  
might be

helpful in the long run

Cheers

Didit

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner  
wrote:




Nice to see Pd spreading across the world!  With 0.43, the  
interface can

now be translated, so if anyone wants to make a bahasa indonesia
translation, or whatever language, here's where to start:

http://puredata.info/dev/HowToTranslatePd

.hc


On Jan 31, 2011, at 4:35 PM, Jack wrote:

 Hey Andreas !


Good Pd workshop at HONF ! ;)
++

Jack



Le lundi 31 janvier 2011 à 16:05 +0700, :a a écrit :


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hi all,

we're having a pd workshop here at indonesia, hosted by honf
the workshop is part of an events called Tropis///Subsonics
http://wiki.natural-fiber.com/TropisSubsonics

the programming workshop contains 2 session:
1. Workshop Laser & Sound Oscillators using Max/MSP by Robin  
Fox (AU)

http://wiki.natural-fiber.com/Robin_Fox
http://robinfox.com.au

2. Workshop Pd Basic for Multimedia oleh HONF (ID)
http://wiki.natural-fiber.com/HONF
http://natural-fiber.com

thanks for rybn (FR) who started the whole thing
http://wiki.natural-fiber.com/RyBN
http://rybn.org/

cheers,
:a

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] IRC channel for PureData

[Pedro Lopes]

Also, I joined yesterday for the first time (nick: "PedroLopes"). I guess
I'll become more frequent there.

Best,
Pedro

On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:

>
> On Feb 20, 2011, at 9:38 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>
>  Mathieu,
>>
>> Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> There is an IRC channel for PureData on the IRC.FreeNode.Net network and
>>> the name of the channel is "#dataflow".
>>>
>>> Just a reminder because I hadn't announced it in a long, long time.
>>>
>> Thanks for taking there of this. I usually hang out in the channel, will
>> be nice to talk to PDers in there.
>>
>
>
> I am often hanging out there, its a good but under-used resource.  All are
> welcome, from total newbie questions to questions about the internals of Pd,
> Gem, Gridflow, etc.  Feel free to ping me and I'll do my best to answer (no
> guarantees).  I'm _hc in dataflow.
>
> Here's the URL for the room:
>
> irc://irc.freenode.net/dataflow
>
> If you have Pidgin (GNU/Linux and Windows), Colloquy (Mac OS X), Adium (Mac
> OS X) many others, you can just click the above link to get to #dataflow
> chatroom.
>
> .hc
>
>
> 
>
> Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more
> direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can
> change entire economies. - Amy Smith
>
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Re: [PD] pd-kinect-skeleton

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Yes, that's what this patch is:

https://github.com/pd-projects/pd-kinect-skeleton

You need git to download it, I think, or perhaps github lets you  
download a tarball directly from git.


.hc

On Feb 20, 2011, at 8:12 AM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:

Ok got it running. Seems to sometimes get a configuration and will  
work for a few minutes. Has anyone written any patches thy do  
anything with the data yet? The current readmes are confusing for  
sure.


Patrick Pagano B.S.,M.F.A
Digital Media Engineer
UF Digital Worlds Institute
(352)294-2020


On Feb 19, 2011, at 11:48 PM, "Hans-Christoph Steiner"  
 wrote:




Hmm, I don't remember, it was some command line program, it should be
in the OSCeleton instructions.

.hc

On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:

Seems like everything built-- what has to be run for pd to notice  
it?


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On Feb 19, 2011, at 6:23 PM, "Hans-Christoph Steiner"
 wrote:



https://github.com/Sensebloom/OSCeleton

.hc

On Feb 19, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:


Thanks Hans is osckeleton an install or a build?

Patrick Pagano B.S.,M.F.A
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On Feb 19, 2011, at 1:57 PM, "Hans-Christoph Steiner"
 wrote:



I got it working using an external program called OSCeleton and
then
just received the data via OSC:

https://github.com/pd-projects/pd-kinect-skeleton

.hc

On Feb 19, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:



Hi

I have snow leopard and a kinect and would love to try this out,
but
I am
a little confused by the insane flurry of emails regarding this.
Does the kinect work with pd?

What does one need to build or prepare for the patches to work?

Thanks in advance

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] IRC channel for PureData

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Feb 20, 2011, at 9:38 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:


Mathieu,

Mathieu Bouchard wrote:


There is an IRC channel for PureData on the IRC.FreeNode.Net  
network and the name of the channel is "#dataflow".


Just a reminder because I hadn't announced it in a long, long time.
Thanks for taking there of this. I usually hang out in the channel,  
will be nice to talk to PDers in there.



I am often hanging out there, its a good but under-used resource.  All  
are welcome, from total newbie questions to questions about the  
internals of Pd, Gem, Gridflow, etc.  Feel free to ping me and I'll do  
my best to answer (no guarantees).  I'm _hc in dataflow.


Here's the URL for the room:

irc://irc.freenode.net/dataflow

If you have Pidgin (GNU/Linux and Windows), Colloquy (Mac OS X), Adium  
(Mac OS X) many others, you can just click the above link to get to  
#dataflow chatroom.


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Re: [PD] loadbang not sent for dynamically created objects?

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Pedro Lopes wrote:

Yeah, if its the logical behaviour of the "class": ok. As i said, 
comment withdrawn.


There's a [loadbang] class of objects, but we're talking about a 
collection of methods all named "loadbang" : one in class [loadbang], one 
in class canvas ([pd], abstractions, main patches), and then, one in 
[bng], one in [tgl], etc.


The relationship between all those "loadbang" methods could be called a 
protocol : the loadbang protocol is the description of how loadbanging is 
supposed to be working in pd, overall.


(This concept of "protocol" is also called "interface" or "contract" : it 
depends on which book you use, to learn about programme design.)


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Re: [PD] loadbang not sent for dynamically created objects?

[Pedro Lopes]

Yeah, if its the logical behaviour of the "class": ok. As i said,
comment withdrawn.

I agree with Mathieu, I'll just use one of the unsupported stuff out there.

2011/2/20 IOhannes zmölnig 

> On 02/19/2011 08:49 PM, Pedro Lopes wrote:
> >> yes, this is known.
> > By known you mean.. Is it on the bug tracker already?
> >
>
> it is a feature, not a bug.
> please consult the mailing list archives for why it makes sense for
> loadbang to behave like it does.
>
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Re: [PD] loadbang not sent for dynamically created objects?

[IOhannes zmölnig]

On 02/19/2011 08:49 PM, Pedro Lopes wrote:
>> yes, this is known.
> By known you mean.. Is it on the bug tracker already?
> 

it is a feature, not a bug.
please consult the mailing list archives for why it makes sense for
loadbang to behave like it does.

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Re: [PD] gridflow 9.13 for windows?

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, patko wrote:

Okay, could you tell me if you are changing the sources, for having 
#from_pix working for example,


This won't happen for GridFlow 9.13, which is already supposed to be 
completed since feb 8th, but is still being worked on nearly two weeks 
later.


I'd like to figure it out for the release of GridFlow 9.14.

I'm trying right now to run feedback_fractal.pd through gdb to see 
what's happening and will make a new thread with debug messages...


Seems difficult to figure that one out.


For having gdb, mingw has a new neat installer:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/


I'll look into that...


gcc version 4.5.2 (GCC)
now I have ggc 4.x ;)


That'll make GF run somewhat faster. I didn't use my UNROLL_8 macro 
wherever I could use it. It's good that GCC 4 does it for me (previously, 
auto-unrolling was a lot more modest and usually couldn't apply to GF's 
loop.)


what about putting README.TXT along bin and extra folder at the root of 
the archive, or along a pd folder that contains bin and extra?


I could do this, but users will still be informed of the extraction trick 
after they extract the archive. But it isn't a big deal to extract the 
archive twice... just delete and try again.


At the same time there is something I didn't think about, the admin 
level of windows >=6.0 doesn't allow to extract directly from the 
archive in c:\Program Files, but we have to unzip first and copy the 
folder into c:\Program Files (x86)\pd\


h, and what is it like in other versions of Windows ? (5.1, 7.0)

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Re: [PD] loadbang not sent for dynamically created objects?

[Pedro Lopes]

>anyway, i think using dynamic creation in real time is bad.
I don't. I know that you are probably just referring to the fact that it
affects performance and recomputes the DSP graph. But that would be the same
to call a gamedev and say: "don't create assets dynamically, create them all
at game start" - which is insane, there is a wide number of stuff in a lot
of engines that force a recompile of blob-trees, meshes, and other
3d-data-structures, but it always depends on the "amount of data" and the
"frequency of those calls".

>imho, it really should be limited for patch creation.
imho no. Depends on the situation, maybe you can say that you've seen
people overdo-it. (I haven't) As far as my experience, It suits what I need.
I have patches that create modules on user demand (for audio processing, and
so forth), and there is no need to create them in advance (although it is
possible and then just manage them later with dynamic routing) but
performance falls well under my needs so I apply dynamic patching in
realtime.

I'd like to hear you out on this matter, maybe several situations could not
apply to d. patching in rt, thus it is good to learn.

Best regards,
Pedro

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 8:07 PM, cyrille henry  wrote:

>
>
> Le 19/02/2011 20:58, John Harrison a écrit :
>
>  Cyrille I just tried your solution and the problem is that all objects
>> sharing the name of the dynamically-created object all get the loadbang
>> message.
>>
> yes.
> you should create them all in the same time, and then send the loadbang.
> if this is not possible, you can still :
> -use different name on your object
> -use argument on the abstraction and send to bang to a [receive
> loadbang-$1] object inside your abstraction
> -use initbang
> -use a [oneshot] object (or similar) after the loadbang
>
> anyway, i think using dynamic creation in real time is bad.
> imho, it really should be limited for patch creation.
>
> c
>
>
>> On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Pedro Lopes > pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt>> wrote:
>>
>> >yes, this is known.
>>By known you mean.. Is it on the bug tracker already?
>>
>>When such things are discovered (and by things I mean issues),
>> shouldn't they be documented inside the help patches?
>>
>>It helps a lot those getting inside pd.
>>
>>Best,
>>pedro
>>
>>
>>On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 7:44 PM, cyrille henry > c...@chnry.net>> wrote:
>>
>>hello,
>>
>>yes, this is known.
>>you have to explicitly send the loadbang, like in this patch, using
>> your exemple.
>>(don't know about initbang, i don't use it)
>>c
>>
>>
>>Le 19/02/2011 20:33, John Harrison a écrit :
>>
>>is it correct behavior that loadbang will not be called when it
>> is part of a dynamically created object? See attached. If you load test-do,
>> it will create an instance of test when you click on the message. Test
>> should print loadbang and initbang, but it only prints initbang.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter

[Marco Donnarumma]

maybe it's time to change the subject of this thread?

M


> >
> > > So what exactly are people referring to, other than
> > some anecdotal evidence about some students somewhere who
> > made some patches with some segmented patch cords that they
> > thought looked bad?
> >
> > I mean that they might be referring to anecdotal evidence
> > involving MAX.
>
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> that he got tangled up in them, and he drowned, and Phil Collins saw it
> happen and wrote the song "In the Air Tonight" about the incident.
>
> -Jonathan
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Re: [PD] [Pdmtl] [PD-announce] four more fractal videos, and reposting the two previous ones

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011, Jack wrote:

Le mercredi 16 février 2011 à 21:02 -0500, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit :

On Fri, 4 Feb 2011, j...@rybn.org wrote:

With [GEMglVertex3f] you can draw the polygon with dynamic patching.

You don't need dynamic patching for that. It's easier to use [repeat].

Yep, it is also possible and certainly better (i prefer to use [gemlist]
than [repeat] but this is my choice).


[gemlist] is not a replacement for [repeat] nor vice-versa.

It's just in certain contexts, that you can use one instead of the other. 
For example, for your fractal creation using [gemlist], you do it 
depth-first with small polygons, whereas the way I constructed my polygon 
was breadth-first as one big polygon using something like [repeat]. (There 
are also depth-first ways of constructing one large polygon, and 
breadth-first ways of constructing small polygons).


Overall, [gemlist] is only for making exact copies of something ("exact" 
as in they only differ by a change of coords: translate, rotate, ...), 
whereas [repeat] can be used to produce any sequences of vertices using 
counters, [expr] or whatever else. My use of [gf/gl] is a direct 
equivalent of using [repeat] with a counter to iterate through a table 
using [tabread].


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Re: [PD] time to test 9.13 on osx-intel (fwd)

[Mathieu Bouchard]

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Mike Moser-Booth wrote:


Success! Screenshot attached.


Alright. I overwrote gridflow-9.13-macosx104-i386.tar.gz (test5) with 
test11, and I deleted test6,7,8,9,10. If there are no bug reports about 
this build now, we'll call it a release.


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] IRC channel for PureData

[Lorenzo Sutton]

Mathieu,

Mathieu Bouchard wrote:


There is an IRC channel for PureData on the IRC.FreeNode.Net network 
and the name of the channel is "#dataflow".


Just a reminder because I hadn't announced it in a long, long time.
Thanks for taking there of this. I usually hang out in the channel, will 
be nice to talk to PDers in there.


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Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter

[Andy Farnell]

No "In the Air Tonight" was a song about a really 
smelly fart Phil Collins did.


On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:56:02 -0800 (PST)
Jonathan Wilkes  wrote:

> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 2/20/11, Mathieu Bouchard  wrote:
> 
> > From: Mathieu Bouchard 
> > Subject: Re: [PD] FLOSS book Lists chapter
> > To: "Jonathan Wilkes" 
> > Cc: pd-list@iem.at
> > Date: Sunday, February 20, 2011, 5:01 AM
> > On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Jonathan Wilkes
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > So what exactly are people referring to, other than
> > some anecdotal evidence about some students somewhere who
> > made some patches with some segmented patch cords that they
> > thought looked bad?
> > 
> > I mean that they might be referring to anecdotal evidence
> > involving MAX.
> 
> Yeah, I heard that this one guy had so many segmented patch cords in Max 
> that he got tangled up in them, and he drowned, and Phil Collins saw it 
> happen and wrote the song "In the Air Tonight" about the incident.
> 
> -Jonathan
> 
> > 
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Re: [PD] pd-kinect-skeleton

[Pedro Lopes]

there is an OSCeleton google groups where Tiago and Tony can address
your questions better. These are the two guys from sensebloom that
made the program (they are portuguese too).

maybe its a better way to clear some doubts :)

On 2/20/11, Pagano, Patrick  wrote:
> Ok got it running. Seems to sometimes get a configuration and will work for
> a few minutes. Has anyone written any patches thy do anything with the data
> yet? The current readmes are confusing for sure.
>
> Patrick Pagano B.S.,M.F.A
> Digital Media Engineer
> UF Digital Worlds Institute
> (352)294-2020
>
>
> On Feb 19, 2011, at 11:48 PM, "Hans-Christoph Steiner" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hmm, I don't remember, it was some command line program, it should be
>> in the OSCeleton instructions.
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
>>
>>> Seems like everything built-- what has to be run for pd to notice it?
>>>
>>> Patrick Pagano B.S.,M.F.A
>>> Digital Media Engineer
>>> UF Digital Worlds Institute
>>> (352)294-2020
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 19, 2011, at 6:23 PM, "Hans-Christoph Steiner"
>>>  wrote:
>>>

 https://github.com/Sensebloom/OSCeleton

 .hc

 On Feb 19, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:

> Thanks Hans is osckeleton an install or a build?
>
> Patrick Pagano B.S.,M.F.A
> Digital Media Engineer
> UF Digital Worlds Institute
> (352)294-2020
>
>
> On Feb 19, 2011, at 1:57 PM, "Hans-Christoph Steiner"
>  wrote:
>
>>
>> I got it working using an external program called OSCeleton and
>> then
>> just received the data via OSC:
>>
>> https://github.com/pd-projects/pd-kinect-skeleton
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I have snow leopard and a kinect and would love to try this out,
>>> but
>>> I am
>>> a little confused by the insane flurry of emails regarding this.
>>> Does the kinect work with pd?
>>>
>>> What does one need to build or prepare for the patches to work?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> pp
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a
>> more
>> direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in
>> practice,
>> it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith
>>
>>



 

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>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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Re: [PD] pd-kinect-skeleton

[Pagano, Patrick]

Ok got it running. Seems to sometimes get a configuration and will work for a 
few minutes. Has anyone written any patches thy do anything with the data yet? 
The current readmes are confusing for sure. 

Patrick Pagano B.S.,M.F.A
Digital Media Engineer
UF Digital Worlds Institute
(352)294-2020


On Feb 19, 2011, at 11:48 PM, "Hans-Christoph Steiner"  wrote:

> 
> Hmm, I don't remember, it was some command line program, it should be  
> in the OSCeleton instructions.
> 
> .hc
> 
> On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
> 
>> Seems like everything built-- what has to be run for pd to notice it?
>> 
>> Patrick Pagano B.S.,M.F.A
>> Digital Media Engineer
>> UF Digital Worlds Institute
>> (352)294-2020
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 19, 2011, at 6:23 PM, "Hans-Christoph Steiner"  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/Sensebloom/OSCeleton
>>> 
>>> .hc
>>> 
>>> On Feb 19, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks Hans is osckeleton an install or a build?
 
 Patrick Pagano B.S.,M.F.A
 Digital Media Engineer
 UF Digital Worlds Institute
 (352)294-2020
 
 
 On Feb 19, 2011, at 1:57 PM, "Hans-Christoph Steiner"
  wrote:
 
> 
> I got it working using an external program called OSCeleton and  
> then
> just received the data via OSC:
> 
> https://github.com/pd-projects/pd-kinect-skeleton
> 
> .hc
> 
> On Feb 19, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> I have snow leopard and a kinect and would love to try this out,  
>> but
>> I am
>> a little confused by the insane flurry of emails regarding this.
>> Does the kinect work with pd?
>> 
>> What does one need to build or prepare for the patches to work?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance
>> 
>> pp
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a
> more
> direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in  
> practice,
> it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith
> 
> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://at.or.at/hans/
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but with  
> live coding, boring techno is much harder." - Chris McCormick
> 
> 
> 
> 

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