Re: [PD] d-scale abstraction with rjdj

2011-06-17 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hi,

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:45:45AM -0400, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
> But here is an FM glitcher using d-scale and Tonalatonal, I patch I found
> on list a few years ago that is RIPE for rjDJ-ness
> Maybe you can look at these and help me make em a little more spiffy, or
> at very least get tonal working!

Okay, that's a bit of tedious work. but doable. The patches only use
[sort], which you can replace by [list-sort] with [list-rdrip] from the
[list]-abstractions. They only use [sort 1] which is ascending sort i.e.
a naked [list-sort].

A bit more tricky to replace are the expr-constructs used. Fortunatly
[d-scale] is only used as [d-scale -1 1 1 100 100]. This is sufficiently
similar to [m_scale -1 1 1 100 dB] from the rj-library, so I'd just use
that.

Another expression used several times is this:
 
 expr~ if ($v1 == 0, 0, (if ($v1 < 0, -1, 1)))

This is a signum function for signals. You can replace this with the sgn~.pd
from the "purepd" collection in CVS/Pd-extended. Make sure to also get
the lt~.pd and gt~.pd abstractions. Alternatively you can also get away
with this:

 [inlet~]
 |\
 | [abs~]
 |  |
 [/~]
 |
 [outlet~]

I.e. divide a signal by its absolute value. Division of 0/0 in Pd here
gives 0 again, so you're cheating okay around this exceptional case.

The other expr-expression just require some work to explode them into
normal math objects. You will gain a bit of execution speed by this, as
expr is a bit slower than exploded math.

Ciao
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Frank

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Re: [PD] shell

2011-06-17 Thread Simon Wise

On 18/06/11 11:45, philippe boisnard wrote:

Hi

I can't type \ in my pd-extended.
thus no result with this.


try saving the script as an executable file, and call that with [shell] instead.

Simon

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Re: [PD] kinect external

2011-06-17 Thread Budi Prakosa
could u try the precompiled binary? it need libfreenect to be installed first


> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:41 AM, philippe boisnard  wrote:
>> I Have tested with
>> a make
>> and make clean ???
>>
>> and no result
>>
>>
>> Le 18 juin 2011 à 00:45, Budi Prakosa a écrit :
>>
>>> What is ur platform? Its only works on mac right now
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 18, 2011, philippe boisnard  wrote:
 Yop

 I try to built, and I don't ?
 I have changed all directory in the makefile.
 but I have error when I make ???

 THX
 p

 Le 17 juin 2011 à 18:56, Budi Prakosa a écrit :

> hi all,
> i want to share simple kinect external based on libfreenect glview.c
> and some examples from gem mailing list
>
> cheers
>
>
> Budi Prakosa
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Re: [PD] shell

2011-06-17 Thread philippe boisnard
Hi

I can't type \ in my pd-extended. 
thus no result with this.

THX

p

Le 17 juin 2011 à 21:52, Charles Goyard a écrit :

> Hi,
> 
> I guess you're on osx since you mention 'Terminal'.
> 
> Try with escaping the quotes :
> 
> sed -n \'$=\'  $File.txt
> 
> and eventually the dollar too :
> 
> sed -n \'\$=\'  $File.txt
> 
> On archlinux it works without escaping.
> 
> see you,
> Charlot
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Re: [PD] pd crashed

2011-06-17 Thread Cody Loyd
The problem is not that is just didn't save... So dang.

Pd has been crashing more often for me lately, with no more terminal
output than "Segmentation fault"...  Is there a log somewhere where I
can try to see what's causing these?

On Linux.

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 17, 2011, at 4:06 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette
 wrote:

> On 06/17/2011 07:37 PM, Cody Loyd wrote:
>> pd crashed while I was saving a large patch.   now, when I open that
>> patch, about a third of the objects are gone, and ALL of the
>> connections.  what the heck happened..
>
> In my experience Pd crashes quite often when I save. In some cases, it 
> crashes _before_ it saves the file, so any change I've made since the last 
> save is lost; in some other cases, it crashes just _after_ saving, so the 
> changes are saved.
>
> It never happened to me that after such a crash I got a corrupted patch or 
> that I loose any object that were present the previous time I had saved the 
> patch. I don't know whether it is your case. Maybe the objects that are gone 
> are those that you had added after the last-but-one save and before the save 
> that triggered the crash.
>
> > and am I totally screwed or can
>> I fix it.
>
> If that is the case, I'm afraid there's no fix :(
>

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Re: [PD] shell

2011-06-17 Thread Mathieu Bouchard

On Fri, 17 Jun 2011, Charles Goyard wrote:


I guess you're on osx since you mention 'Terminal'.
Try with escaping the quotes :
sed -n \'$=\'  $File.txt
and eventually the dollar too :
sed -n \'\$=\'  $File.txt
On archlinux it works without escaping.


Those don't sound like actual OSX/Linux differences.

I don't think that there are _any_ quoting differences between OSX and 
Linux, especially ever since OSX switched to the BASH shell.


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Re: [PD] kinect external

2011-06-17 Thread Budi Prakosa
What is ur platform? Its only works on mac right now

On Saturday, June 18, 2011, philippe boisnard  wrote:
> Yop
>
> I try to built, and I don't ?
> I have changed all directory in the makefile.
> but I have error when I make ???
>
> THX
> p
>
> Le 17 juin 2011 à 18:56, Budi Prakosa a écrit :
>
>> hi all,
>> i want to share simple kinect external based on libfreenect glview.c
>> and some examples from gem mailing list
>>
>> cheers
>>
>>
>> Budi Prakosa
>> house of natural fiber (HONF)
>> yogyakarta new media art laboratory
>> wora wari A80/6 baciro yogyakarta indonesia
>> http://www.natural-fiber.com
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Re: [PD] kinect external

2011-06-17 Thread philippe boisnard
Yop

I try to built, and I don't ? 
I have changed all directory in the makefile.
but I have error when I make ???

THX
p

Le 17 juin 2011 à 18:56, Budi Prakosa a écrit :

> hi all,
> i want to share simple kinect external based on libfreenect glview.c
> and some examples from gem mailing list
> 
> cheers
> 
> 
> Budi Prakosa
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Re: [PD] pd crashed

2011-06-17 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette

On 06/17/2011 07:37 PM, Cody Loyd wrote:

pd crashed while I was saving a large patch.   now, when I open that
patch, about a third of the objects are gone, and ALL of the
connections.  what the heck happened..


In my experience Pd crashes quite often when I save. In some cases, it 
crashes _before_ it saves the file, so any change I've made since the 
last save is lost; in some other cases, it crashes just _after_ saving, 
so the changes are saved.


It never happened to me that after such a crash I got a corrupted patch 
or that I loose any object that were present the previous time I had 
saved the patch. I don't know whether it is your case. Maybe the objects 
that are gone are those that you had added after the last-but-one save 
and before the save that triggered the crash.


> and am I totally screwed or can

I fix it.


If that is the case, I'm afraid there's no fix :(


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Re: [PD] shell

2011-06-17 Thread Charles Goyard
Hi,

I guess you're on osx since you mention 'Terminal'.

Try with escaping the quotes :

sed -n \'$=\'  $File.txt

and eventually the dollar too :

sed -n \'\$=\'  $File.txt

On archlinux it works without escaping.

see you,
Charlot

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Re: [PD] Launching puredata -nogui from a terminal

2011-06-17 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette

On 06/17/2011 08:30 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:


Hm.. don't know why it shows this behaviour with -nogui. Perhaps the pd
process is a child process of the pd-gui process, and probably pd-gui
immediately stops running after launch when -nogui is set, thus pd is
not a child process of the terminal and won't shutdown when the terminal
is killed? just some thoughts


Same thoughts here :)



Anyway, you still could send the 'pd -nogui' process to the background
and then later kill it by its process ID:

$ pd -nogui&
$ pdpid=$?

and later:

$ kill $pdpid


But I would have to do it manually, right? Since it's not me who have to 
use the patch, I'm looking for a way to ensure that one cannot forget to 
do something and end up with half a dozen puredata processes running 
without being aware (i.e. without any open window), but at the same time 
I do want to launch this particular Pd instance with nogui.


Is there a way to use that approach (in a shell script or something) in 
such a way that I can ensure that the killing is done when the terminal 
is closed?


(by the way I need something that would work on Mac OS, but usually as 
far as shell scripts and the like are concerned, simple stuff that works 
in linux also works in Mac OS with little changes...)


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Re: [PD] Launching puredata -nogui from a terminal

2011-06-17 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 16:39 +0200, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> If I launch Pd from a terminal (without "&"), when the terminal is 
> closed Pd dies, which is fine for me.
> 
> However, if from the terminal I launch Pd with the "-nogui" option, then 
> it survives and keeps running even if the terminal is closed.
> 
> Is there a way to launch Pd from a script with -nogui in such a way that 
> when the terminal in which it was launched is closed, the Pd process is 
> also killed?

Hm.. don't know why it shows this behaviour with -nogui. Perhaps the pd
process is a child process of the pd-gui process, and probably pd-gui
immediately stops running after launch when -nogui is set, thus pd is
not a child process of the terminal and won't shutdown when the terminal
is killed? just some thoughts

Anyway, you still could send the 'pd -nogui' process to the background
and then later kill it by its process ID:

$ pd -nogui &
$ pdpid=$?

and later:

$ kill $pdpid

Roman


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[PD] pd crashed

2011-06-17 Thread Cody Loyd
pd crashed while I was saving a large patch.   now, when I open that
patch, about a third of the objects are gone, and ALL of the
connections.  what the heck happened.. and am I totally screwed or can
I fix it.

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Re: [PD] Another arduino weirdness

2011-06-17 Thread Martin Peach

On 2011-06-17 12:04, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote:

On 06/17/2011 05:29 PM, Martin Peach wrote:


O, it may be relevant (though I don't directly see how) that
when I test on Windows I do it through a virtual machine (on a linux
host which is the one on which i test it in Linux).


Yes I think that is relevant. I just tried it on WinXP and at least that
part works properly.
(arduino duemilanove / firmata2.2 / Pduino-0.5beta8)



Well I've tried again with a _real_ windows (I mean no virtual machine),
and the following happens:

- with a Dumelilanove, the arduino resets every time I open the
connection from Pd ("open" message to [arduino])

- with a UNO, it doesn't.

I guess the difference is due to the difference in drivers rather than
in hardware, as in Linux both boards behave the same way (they both
reset when you open the connection).




From the arduino hardware description http://arduino.cc/en/Main/Boards:
"[The Uno] is similar to the Duemilanove, but has a different 
USB-to-serial chip the ATMega8U2"

and
"The '8U2 firmware uses the standard USB COM drivers, and no external 
driver is needed. However, on Windows, a .inf file is required."


I don't have a Uno so I can't test it.

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Re: [PD] room reflections: cart2del_damp_2d

2011-06-17 Thread Iain Mott
sorry - i think i worked it out - will email back if i get stuck.
Iain

On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 12:49 -0300, Iain Mott wrote:
> Hi List,
> 
> I'm experimenting with Thomas Musil's externals ambi_encode and
> room_sim_3d (the GUI object, set up in 2d) to spatialise mono sources.
> I'm using these presently with ambdec as an external decoder and it
> seems to be working well.
> 
> I'd like to try simulating early room reflections with cart2del_damp_2d
> but can't figure out how to use it properly (have looked at the help
> file included in pd-extended). Is there a more developed patch available
> somewhere or could someone please send me an example?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Iain
> 
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Re: [PD] Another arduino weirdness

2011-06-17 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette

On 06/17/2011 05:29 PM, Martin Peach wrote:


O, it may be relevant (though I don't directly see how) that
when I test on Windows I do it through a virtual machine (on a linux
host which is the one on which i test it in Linux).


Yes I think that is relevant. I just tried it on WinXP and at least that
part works properly.
(arduino duemilanove / firmata2.2 / Pduino-0.5beta8)



Well I've tried again with a _real_ windows (I mean no virtual machine), 
and the following happens:


- with a Dumelilanove, the arduino resets every time I open the 
connection from Pd ("open" message to [arduino])


- with a UNO, it doesn't.

I guess the difference is due to the difference in drivers rather than 
in hardware, as in Linux both boards behave the same way (they both 
reset when you open the connection).


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[PD] room reflections: cart2del_damp_2d

2011-06-17 Thread Iain Mott
Hi List,

I'm experimenting with Thomas Musil's externals ambi_encode and
room_sim_3d (the GUI object, set up in 2d) to spatialise mono sources.
I'm using these presently with ambdec as an external decoder and it
seems to be working well.

I'd like to try simulating early room reflections with cart2del_damp_2d
but can't figure out how to use it properly (have looked at the help
file included in pd-extended). Is there a more developed patch available
somewhere or could someone please send me an example?

Thanks,

Iain


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[PD] room reflections: cart2del_damp_2d

2011-06-17 Thread Iain Mott
Hi List,

I'm experimenting with Thomas Musil's externals ambi_encode and
room_sim_3d (the GUI object, set up in 2d) to spatialise mono sources.
I'm using these presently with ambdec as an external decoder and it
seems to be working well.

I'd like to try simulating early room reflections with cart2del_damp_2d
but can't figure out how to use it properly (have looked at the help
file included in pd-extended). Is there a more developed patch available
somewhere or could someone please send me an example?

Thanks,

Iain



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Re: [PD] Another arduino weirdness

2011-06-17 Thread Martin Peach

On 2011-06-14 19:22, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote:

I've found out that if I send the arduino the "version" message, then
these messages _are_ received (also in Windows), while when the Arduino
send them just after connecting, they are lost in Windows.

So I think there must be an issue either in the Windows version of
[comport] or in the Windows drivers, that if a message is received too
soon after connecting, it is lost.



O, it may be relevant (though I don't directly see how) that
when I test on Windows I do it through a virtual machine (on a linux
host which is the one on which i test it in Linux).




Yes I think that is relevant. I just tried it on WinXP and at least that 
part works properly.

(arduino duemilanove / firmata2.2 / Pduino-0.5beta8)
Usually emulators don't do a good job with I/O.

Martin


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Re: [PD] Launching puredata -nogui from a terminal

2011-06-17 Thread Bernardo Barros
strange indeed.. :/

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Re: [PD] Launching puredata -nogui from a terminal

2011-06-17 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette

On 06/17/2011 04:58 PM, Bernardo Barros wrote:


That's what already happen with all jobs running on one particular
terminal.  If you open a text editor from terminal, you can't close
that terminal until you save your text.. etc..


But strangely, that doesn't happen with the "puredata" process when 
launched with -nogui.


Try it. Write in a terminal:
puredata -nogui

Close the terminal. You don't get the usual dialog asking for 
confirmation. After closing the terminal open the system monitor, you 
will see the "puredata" process is still there.


When you launch Pd without -gui, then it's like you say.

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Re: [PD] Launching puredata -nogui from a terminal

2011-06-17 Thread Bernardo Barros
2011/6/17 Matteo Sisti Sette :
> Is there a way to launch Pd from a script with -nogui in such a way that
> when the terminal in which it was launched is closed, the Pd process is also
> killed?
>

That's what already happen with all jobs running on one particular
terminal.  If you open a text editor from terminal, you can't close
that terminal until you save your text.. etc..

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Re: [PD] converting accelerometer & gyro to positive values

2011-06-17 Thread Pagano, Patrick
Thanks frank, you rule

pp

On 6/17/11 10:37 AM, "Frank Barknecht"  wrote:

>On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 09:21:53AM -0400, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
>> I am still fooling around with rjdj and I was wondering what way
>> people are using to turn r #acceleromter & r #gyro to positive values.
>> I usually use a mccallum abstraction d-scale for stuff like this but I
>> am not sure it will work with vanilla/rjlib, so I am wondering what
>> others may suggest.
>
>You can use the [m_scale] abstraction in rj to rescale values between
>various ranges, also using non-linear translations.
>
>If you are interested in the magnitude of the accelerometer
>settings you can also use the [m_accel_magnitude] abstraction, which
>whill give you the magnitude in all directions (i.e. how hard someone is
>shaking the device).
>
>Ciao
>-- 
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Re: [PD] d-scale abstraction with rjdj

2011-06-17 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hi,

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 07:37:00AM -0400, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
> I did not hear back yesterday and I am wondering
> Can I use the d-scale abstraction David Mccallum wrote in rjdj?

I answered now, but to answer in more general terms: If an abstraction
uses only the objects and features that are in Pd-vanilla as
downloadable from Miller's site and if it in addition does not use
objects from the expr-family ([expr], [fexpr], [expr~]) which are GPL,
then it will run in RjDj on iOS. 

A nice way to check this with Pd-extended instead of vanilla is starting
Pd with the "-noprefs" option, so it does not load any externals and
doesn't set any paths. If the abstraction doesn't give any errors about
missing objects and if it doesn't use expr, then it will be fine.

Ciao
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[PD] Launching puredata -nogui from a terminal

2011-06-17 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette

Hi,

If I launch Pd from a terminal (without "&"), when the terminal is 
closed Pd dies, which is fine for me.


However, if from the terminal I launch Pd with the "-nogui" option, then 
it survives and keeps running even if the terminal is closed.


Is there a way to launch Pd from a script with -nogui in such a way that 
when the terminal in which it was launched is closed, the Pd process is 
also killed?


Thanks
m.

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Re: [PD] converting accelerometer & gyro to positive values

2011-06-17 Thread Frank Barknecht
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 09:21:53AM -0400, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
> I am still fooling around with rjdj and I was wondering what way
> people are using to turn r #acceleromter & r #gyro to positive values.
> I usually use a mccallum abstraction d-scale for stuff like this but I
> am not sure it will work with vanilla/rjlib, so I am wondering what
> others may suggest.

You can use the [m_scale] abstraction in rj to rescale values between
various ranges, also using non-linear translations.

If you are interested in the magnitude of the accelerometer
settings you can also use the [m_accel_magnitude] abstraction, which
whill give you the magnitude in all directions (i.e. how hard someone is
shaking the device).

Ciao
-- 
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Re: [PD] Piezo, trigger, Arduino

2011-06-17 Thread Martin Peach
I found that it works better if you put some kind of peak detector 
op-amp circuit between the piezo and the arduino.


See the peak detector circuit in here:
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/audio/part8/Page3.html

The diode rectifies the signal and the capacitor stretches it out so the 
arduino has time to measure it, the resistor drains the capacitor so it 
doesn't hold the peak forever.


Putting weights on top of the piezos increases their output, as does 
gluing them to a resonant object.


Martin


On 2011-06-17 08:53, Roman Haefeli wrote:

Hi Pierre

Actually, I wouldn't connect the piezos to an arduino, but to a sound
card, because the piezos will likely give very very short spikes and the
sampling rate of the analogIns of the arduino is quite low (don't know
the exact value) compared to the sampling rate of a common sound card.
Also, you have more control in Pd to build a trigger detection filter
then on the arduino. Also you would likely get much lower latency with a
good audio setup than with the atmega->ftdi->usb->comport path. Also
when using the soundcard, the latency is constant, while you would have
glitches with the arduino.

I'd be glad to hear other opinions, though, since my thoughts are purely
theoretical. I haven't implemented a piezo-based trigger, neither with
sound card nor arduino.

Roman

On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:27 +0200, Pierre Massat wrote:

Dear List,

This is yet another question about Arduino. Sorry about that.
I want to use piezos to trigger samples using my arduino board. I want
the trigger to be sensitive, and a quick google search seems to show
that piezo is the way to go.
Does anybody have any experience with piezo triggers (what type of
piezo, isolating each piezo, etc.)? I will hit the piezos with my bare
fingers (no drumsticks or anything like that), but i guess it doesn't
really matter since i can control the threshold within Pd.

This last sentence is just to make sure that everyone knows i'm
talking about piezos in case there wasn't enough occurences of the
word in my message.

Cheers!

Pierre
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Re: [PD] Sort and init objects

2011-06-17 Thread Frank Barknecht
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 02:11:20PM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Pagano, Patrick wrote:
> 
> >It seems to want a list-drip?
> 
> Get the whole list-abs library. Recent versions (since about two
> years) include my accelerated [list-drip] (formerly known as
> [list-drip-quick]).
> 
> It's not the fastest, but it's the simplest of the fast ones.

If you get the newest [list]-abs now, you'll also get a new [list-sort]
which now uses the fast data structure sorting method, replacing Michael
Seta's very first [list-sort] implementation. Inside it requires
[list-rdrip] which is a simplified version Matju's [list-drip] stripped
of the reordering, so it "drips" a list in reverse order, which is a
little bit faster again. (As we resort the list anyhow, the drip-order
doesn't matter.)

All in all it doesn't compare to Zexy's [sort] yet, because it drips and
then rebuilds a list with the slow [list prepend]x[t a] idiom, but all in all
it's already pretty okay.

Ciao
-- 
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Re: [PD] export from gem

2011-06-17 Thread Jack
Hello Max,

Open this .zip and tell me if it is working now.
I just added the message [color $1 $2 $3( in the abstraction to have the
background white with [absCaptureHD myPicture 6000 6000 1 1 1].
Be aware that your saved picture is not anti aliased (maybe use another
application - like photoshop or the gimp - to reduce the resolution with
interpolation).
++

Jack



Le vendredi 17 juin 2011 à 13:02 +0200, Max a écrit :
> hi jack,
> 
> i'd be glad if you could have a look:
> 
> 
> 
> Am 17.06.2011 um 01:38 schrieb Jack:
> 
> > Yes, put a [t a a] or [t a a a a a a ...] after [absCaptureHD] to 'set
> > in order' your scene you want to capture.
> > As Mathieu says, you have to render the scene before you capture it.
> > Tell me if you still have a problem.
> > Send your patch to have a look.
> > ++
> > 
> > Jack
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Le jeudi 16 juin 2011 à 18:20 -0400, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit :
> >> On Thu, 16 Jun 2011, Max wrote:
> >> 
> >>> that's a useful abstraction, however in this specific scene it renders 
> >>> black only if i put it right after the gemhead. where's the catch?
> >> 
> >> BTW, you need to have proper priority for this operation, using either [t 
> >> a a] or a numbered [gemhead] so that [pix_snap] snaps *after* the 
> >> rendering is done.
> >> 
> >>  ___
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> > 
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[PD] shell

2011-06-17 Thread philippe boisnard
Hello 

I work with shell and I have a problem with the out of [shell]

when I send a message as
[wc -l $File.txt(
I have no problem to have number of the line


but when I send this message
[sed -n '$='  $File.txt( I have no message in out. 
With the Terminal I have no problem, I have the number of line, but in pd no 
result.

I have the same problem with awk
[awk 'END {print NR}' $File.txt(

Do you have a solution to obtain the number in the out of [shell] ?


thx

p

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Re: [PD] Piezo, trigger, Arduino

2011-06-17 Thread olsen

ej pierre regarding sensitivity a FSR = force sensitive resistor might be 
interesting as well?!
salutis
ø

On 06/17/2011 03:15 PM, Pierre Massat wrote:

Hi Roman, thanks for your reply. I'm afraid i can't use a soundcard to capture 
the input from the piezo (I don't want to
buy one just for three little triggers). If what you're saying is true i guess 
i will just use three switches and forget
about the sensitivity.

Pierre

2011/6/17 Roman Haefeli mailto:reduz...@gmail.com>>

Hi Pierre

Actually, I wouldn't connect the piezos to an arduino, but to a sound
card, because the piezos will likely give very very short spikes and the
sampling rate of the analogIns of the arduino is quite low (don't know
the exact value) compared to the sampling rate of a common sound card.
Also, you have more control in Pd to build a trigger detection filter
then on the arduino. Also you would likely get much lower latency with a
good audio setup than with the atmega->ftdi->usb->comport path. Also
when using the soundcard, the latency is constant, while you would have
glitches with the arduino.

I'd be glad to hear other opinions, though, since my thoughts are purely
theoretical. I haven't implemented a piezo-based trigger, neither with
sound card nor arduino.

Roman

On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:27 +0200, Pierre Massat wrote:
 > Dear List,
 >
 > This is yet another question about Arduino. Sorry about that.
 > I want to use piezos to trigger samples using my arduino board. I want
 > the trigger to be sensitive, and a quick google search seems to show
 > that piezo is the way to go.
 > Does anybody have any experience with piezo triggers (what type of
 > piezo, isolating each piezo, etc.)? I will hit the piezos with my bare
 > fingers (no drumsticks or anything like that), but i guess it doesn't
 > really matter since i can control the threshold within Pd.
 >
 > This last sentence is just to make sure that everyone knows i'm
 > talking about piezos in case there wasn't enough occurences of the
 > word in my message.
 >
 > Cheers!
 >
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Re: [PD] Piezo, trigger, Arduino

2011-06-17 Thread Pierre Massat
Hi Roman, thanks for your reply. I'm afraid i can't use a soundcard to
capture the input from the piezo (I don't want to buy one just for three
little triggers). If what you're saying is true i guess i will just use
three switches and forget about the sensitivity.

Pierre

2011/6/17 Roman Haefeli 

> Hi Pierre
>
> Actually, I wouldn't connect the piezos to an arduino, but to a sound
> card, because the piezos will likely give very very short spikes and the
> sampling rate of the analogIns of the arduino is quite low (don't know
> the exact value) compared to the sampling rate of a common sound card.
> Also, you have more control in Pd to build a trigger detection filter
> then on the arduino. Also you would likely get much lower latency with a
> good audio setup than with the atmega->ftdi->usb->comport path. Also
> when using the soundcard, the latency is constant, while you would have
> glitches with the arduino.
>
> I'd be glad to hear other opinions, though, since my thoughts are purely
> theoretical. I haven't implemented a piezo-based trigger, neither with
> sound card nor arduino.
>
> Roman
>
> On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:27 +0200, Pierre Massat wrote:
> > Dear List,
> >
> > This is yet another question about Arduino. Sorry about that.
> > I want to use piezos to trigger samples using my arduino board. I want
> > the trigger to be sensitive, and a quick google search seems to show
> > that piezo is the way to go.
> > Does anybody have any experience with piezo triggers (what type of
> > piezo, isolating each piezo, etc.)? I will hit the piezos with my bare
> > fingers (no drumsticks or anything like that), but i guess it doesn't
> > really matter since i can control the threshold within Pd.
> >
> > This last sentence is just to make sure that everyone knows i'm
> > talking about piezos in case there wasn't enough occurences of the
> > word in my message.
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
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Re: [PD] Piezo, trigger, Arduino

2011-06-17 Thread Roman Haefeli
Hi Pierre

Actually, I wouldn't connect the piezos to an arduino, but to a sound
card, because the piezos will likely give very very short spikes and the
sampling rate of the analogIns of the arduino is quite low (don't know
the exact value) compared to the sampling rate of a common sound card.
Also, you have more control in Pd to build a trigger detection filter
then on the arduino. Also you would likely get much lower latency with a
good audio setup than with the atmega->ftdi->usb->comport path. Also
when using the soundcard, the latency is constant, while you would have
glitches with the arduino.

I'd be glad to hear other opinions, though, since my thoughts are purely
theoretical. I haven't implemented a piezo-based trigger, neither with
sound card nor arduino.

Roman

On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 14:27 +0200, Pierre Massat wrote:
> Dear List,
> 
> This is yet another question about Arduino. Sorry about that. 
> I want to use piezos to trigger samples using my arduino board. I want
> the trigger to be sensitive, and a quick google search seems to show
> that piezo is the way to go. 
> Does anybody have any experience with piezo triggers (what type of
> piezo, isolating each piezo, etc.)? I will hit the piezos with my bare
> fingers (no drumsticks or anything like that), but i guess it doesn't
> really matter since i can control the threshold within Pd. 
> 
> This last sentence is just to make sure that everyone knows i'm
> talking about piezos in case there wasn't enough occurences of the
> word in my message. 
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Pierre
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[PD] [PD-announce] Pd-berlin meeting next tuesday, 21st June

2011-06-17 Thread João Pais

Hello,

next tuesday, 21st June, will be the next meeting of Pure Data users
in Berlin at NK (http://www.nkprojekt.de/) - Elsenstr. 52, 2HH 2Etage.

For more information, look up
http://puredata.info/community/organization/pd-berlin/pd-berlin-users-group.
We also encourage you to take an active part, and put up suggestions for
topics you want to talk about / topics you want to be talked about.

Pd-Berlin Google group: You can join the open group
http://groups.google.com/group/pd_berlin, and make questions to the users
there.


Doors are open from 20h-20h15. After that they'll be closed, and you will
have to call someone from the Pd-meeting to get in. To get a telephone
number to call or confirm assistance you can write to
info_at_minitronics.net.

Please, don´t call to the staff of NK to open the doors. They let us use
the space but we have to take care about having the meeting without
producing any disturbance to them, and to clean the space after the
meeting.


We would apreciate if you would send us a small mail to
info_at_minitronics.net with your name, Pd experience and interests, so
that we know how many people might be coming. Or put your name in the
pd-berlin wiki page.


We would like to thank the support and willingness of NK in the
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[PD] Piezo, trigger, Arduino

2011-06-17 Thread Pierre Massat
Dear List,

This is yet another question about Arduino. Sorry about that.
I want to use piezos to trigger samples using my arduino board. I want the
trigger to be sensitive, and a quick google search seems to show that piezo
is the way to go.
Does anybody have any experience with piezo triggers (what type of piezo,
isolating each piezo, etc.)? I will hit the piezos with my bare fingers (no
drumsticks or anything like that), but i guess it doesn't really matter
since i can control the threshold within Pd.

This last sentence is just to make sure that everyone knows i'm talking
about piezos in case there wasn't enough occurences of the word in my
message.

Cheers!

Pierre
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[PD] d-scale abstraction with rjdj

2011-06-17 Thread Pagano, Patrick
Hi

I did not hear back yesterday and I am wondering
Can I use the d-scale abstraction David Mccallum wrote in rjdj?

pp
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Re: [PD] pduino test patch: "old analog/digital controls"

2011-06-17 Thread olsen



On 06/17/2011 12:24 AM, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote:

On 06/16/2011 05:44 PM, olsen wrote:

it's all in the
arduino-help.pd by Gerda Strobl and Georg Holzmann!


Which one???

Not the one that is distributed together with [arduino] and [arduino-test] at 
http://at.or.at/hans/pd/objects.html, right?

yo it's in Pduino-0.5beta8 linked on this page



in the last subpatch [pd SWITCHING-INPUTS] you'll find the apropriate
messages.


There I find the same analogIns messages that are supposed to be the old ones 
(but are the only ones I've found that
work for analog pins with the latest version of Firmata)
jep i agree they're the same - i think it's a matter of wrong denotation so due to my knowledge there's nothing like old 
and newer messages -> the current 'contemporary' message for enabling the analog inputs is:

[analogIns pinumber 1=on; 0=off(
f.e. to enable analog pin 1:
[analogIns 1 1(
correct me if i'm wrong!



 > i don't know why this is commented with (optional)

I must have another version of the help patch, as I don't see such a comment

right behind the [pd SWITCHING-INPUTS] is a comment "<- example of switching inputs 
on and off (optional)"



How are the messages you're talking about?



i guess it's a firmata peculiarity that you've explicit have to enable
the analog pins as in arduino they are enabled by default - but correct
me if i'm wrong.


Yes, I guess what you have to explicitly enable is to have the firmware _send_ 
the values to the computer. It would be
undesirable to have a constant flood of values of all pins whether you use them 
or not.
jep right so with firmata the analogIns have to be enabled explicitly to use them. i think the (optional) comment 
somehow makes it ambiguous. as told i'll try to consider this in the improvements we're working on!


salutis
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