Re: [PD] Arduino : multiple boards? Wireless?
Ah... wires. Ok. Thank you both! :P 2011/6/22 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Ha, yes, thanks for catching that. go with WIRES! :-D .hc On Jun 21, 2011, at 10:37 PM, Tyler Leavitt wrote: Sorry to make you repeat yourself if it wasn't a typo Hans, but did you say if you want low jitter, reliable connection, go with wireless? This sounds counter-intuitive to me and I'm interested in the answer Thanks, Tyler On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote: Awesome. Thanks Hans! P 2011/6/21 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Multiple arduinos is no problem. I suppose they would start to slow each other down if you had like 10+, but for 3 I don't think its an issue. If you want low jitter, reliable connection, go with wireless. .hc On Jun 21, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Pierre Massat wrote: Hey List, (I've been looking at what Onyx does with his BeatJazz. This annoyingly cool and exciting.) One simple question about arduino : can I use more than one board on the same computer? If I can, is there any drawback (slower speed, etc.)? Another question : do you think that using a wireless shield could cause some gliches in the audio (in soundcard, or more probably in my guitar amp)? cheers! Pierre __**_ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/** listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list --**--** Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick.-David Zicarelli ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish.-William Carlos Williams ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PPA for libpd?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-06-22 05:47, august wrote: Is there a version number for libpd? I see you guys have added a pd.pc in http://gitorious.org/~aalex/pdlib/aalexs-libpd just to chime in: please note that pd also provides a pd.pc. i would highly suggest to provide a libpd.pc for libpd. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4BlAoACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRg+ACeIu70dOUt/Ovz377qW8h4A5jg wDQAnjVCznEBzDXU6LmdPSm6IrDQisRQ =A+mM -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
Onyx, do you think that perhaps all these questions that were raised aboutwhat exactly you were doing would encourage you to perhaps make yourperformative movements and means more evident? Or do you think this is notimportant for your goals? well right now it is literally the task of creating a language to speak with. I have seen many gestural performances, thanks to youtube, and i have seen things done with dance troupes and sensors as well, but i want to find/create something that is more interesting than representative. i believe that the representative aspect will come from being close to the performer/performance. this type of thing has to be experiences up close to negate ones bulls^t response ( ie, you see a guy fly during a concert, there is a part of your brain that screams bulls%^t!, BUT, if he were to levitate in front of you, your mind would be blown). in the next 6-18 months, i'll have a more defined spatial language. The thing is, nobody asks a violin player what he's playing (as somebody mentioned a few messages ago, sorry for the lack of proper quoting here), I believe, because these traditional instruments are already within our culture, so one knows, roughly speaking, how a violin should be played and how it might sound like. However, with gestural controllers/instruments of course it is a different matter... but with electronic music, we're all a bunch of jilted lovers because were are all so used to hearing amazing music that was created in a very unexciting manner. what this project is, currently, is ok sounding music, done in an exciting manner (to me). thats why i looked so calm on the TED video even though my effects wouldnt latch (assigned to the extremes of the accelerometer range), because i had to concentrate of multiple variables at once and no longer have the distraction of ease...every performance is a strain and it is the best feeling EVER! when doing a DJ set or an ableton set, it is hard to suck because its all pre-recorded...you can even put on a song and go to the toilet. with this, you can definitely suck, which is very exciting to me because the harder you can suck, the higher the highs are. When Onyx mentions playing at audience level, inside the club, I remembered of Dan Deacon and Girl Talk's performances which also often apply this idea, and it is interesting to observe how the audience is also curious to see what they're doing, so I guess it is a common behavior... I love what girl talk does. he covers his laptop in saran wrap to keep drinks from killing it, and he just has everyone around him for the duration of his set. THAT is the future. i have discussed this with many other alternative controller artists and we agree that the way forward for musician alternative controller artists, is to swim in the soup of sound that you are creating with a stage being for brief moments and a conveininet place to keep ones gear;-) -- www.onyx-ashanti.ning.com www.beatjazz.blogspot.com onyxashanti.bandcamp.com twitter.com/onyxashanti facebook.com/onyxashanti Germany+49 176 3543 7859 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
welcome to the list onyx, i liked your performance, and commend you for getting exposure for it. actually, that would be Slam! and the answer would be very, but not for a few years... my only question is, how annoying must it be to get asked to play Throw Ya Guns at every gig ;) -- www.onyx-ashanti.ning.com www.beatjazz.blogspot.com onyxashanti.bandcamp.com twitter.com/onyxashanti facebook.com/onyxashanti Germany+49 176 3543 7859 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
How long did you practice with that arrangement of controllers Onyx? Did you become human cyborg unit six of seven, tertiary adjunct of unimatrix twelve-O-five? Or was that machine following you and did you feel confident enough to jam it a bit, even at TED? I have to practice a few hours everyday with my hands in various dificult positions, but i think that the stationary horn-stance habit started waning after about a week and a half every performance i do is complete improv. before a show, i only practice scales, gestures and rhythm excercises. The TED performance was comptely improv. in fact, it was supposed to be drum and bass, then half way thru i changed my mind. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] IanniX 0.8.21 (Beta)
Dear List, Here's the latest beta version of IanniX. Linux http://www.iannix.org/en/download/iannix_linux__0_8_21.tar.gz Sources http://www.iannix.org/en/download/iannix_sources__0_8_21.zip Mac OS X (10.5 minimum) http://www.iannix.org/en/download/iannix_mac__0_8_21.dmg WIndows http://www.iannix.org/en/download/iannix_windows__0_8_21.zip Have fun. Thierry ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] GEM and gmerlin
Hi everyone, In Fedora 11, Pd 0.42 and GEM ver: 0.92.2, I am trying to re-compile GEM with gmerlin. I have succesfully compiled and installed gmerlin, but GEM won't see it: use gmerlin : no I can see gmerlin (and quicktime for that matter) in usr/local/lib, but gem doesn't see them even when I point it there with: --libdir=/usr/local/lib --with-gmerlin_avdec-libs=/usr/local/lib/ and the like... any suggestions? best, J -- Jaime E Oliver LR www.jaimeoliver.pe 858 750 0924 (cel) 858 202 1522 (home) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM and gmerlin
please ignore this... J On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Jaime Oliver jaime.oliv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, In Fedora 11, Pd 0.42 and GEM ver: 0.92.2, I am trying to re-compile GEM with gmerlin. I have succesfully compiled and installed gmerlin, but GEM won't see it: use gmerlin : no I can see gmerlin (and quicktime for that matter) in usr/local/lib, but gem doesn't see them even when I point it there with: --libdir=/usr/local/lib --with-gmerlin_avdec-libs=/usr/local/lib/ and the like... any suggestions? best, J -- Jaime E Oliver LR www.jaimeoliver.pe 858 750 0924 (cel) 858 202 1522 (home) -- Jaime E Oliver LR www.jaimeoliver.pe 858 750 0924 (cel) 858 202 1522 (home) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] advices needed to track dancer (kinect, osceleton, tuio, pidip)
hello, Thank's for your replies. if you work with kinect, osceleton send also the coordinate of the user before it track it with the psi pose. you can just listen to /user/1 /user/2 etc ... to get the coordinates (3 floats) It's good to know! Thank's for that. I think i am gonna follow this option with osceleton as it seems to be the most simple. I should look more closely to the pdp_opencv though but i realised that the pdp_freenect requires a lot of cpu (40%_50%) on my thinkpad w500, and combined with the pdp_opencv objects it is not really usable so far. And i have got also a segmentation fault sometimes that makes pd crash. (Pd 0.43.1test2). I should maybe go back to a previous version.. delphine On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:38 PM, olm-e o...@ogeem.be wrote: hi, i need to track a dancer to project and map videos on him (one of the video is a human body on a black background). I am trying the kinect at the moment thinking first that it would be the easiest solution because it has the infrared camera and no need of infrared light. So, I have made a first patch using osceleton to get the coordinate of the dancer and mapped these X/Y/Z coordinates to feed a translate object connected to pix_film so the video is following the dancer. Regarding this solution, the limits are : - the distance the kinect can track : from what i experimented and read it can not track correctly with more than 4,5 meters. - the PSI pose is required (it is not a big deal because the show starts in the dark anyway but would be better without it). Now here are my questions: - i have got pidip working and i read that i could use the [pdp_joint] object to avoid to do the PSI pose, but the problem is i don't understand how to use it regarding this project and if it would be possible to get the coordinates like with osceleton. - I know there is also the TuioClient object that could be usefull but after binding it to osceleton port nothing happens. - I have never worked with tracking motion and video projections before and i am also wondering where i should put the beemer and camera to be the most efficient as possible. (I don't know yet the dimensions of the stage ..) - Someone told me that it would be maybe easier to do it with the ps3 eye camera removing the IR filter, and put it on the cealing to work only with the X/Y axes. any ideas on this ? Any advice would be very much appreciated, #ubuntu 10.04 #fireGL v5700 thanks in advance delphine if you work with kinect, osceleton send also the coordinate of the user before it track it with the psi pose. you can just listen to /user/1 /user/2 etc ... to get the coordinates (3 floats) the problem is if the dancer makes the psi pose and got tracked, then that data is not send anymore, but the whole sceleton instead. the ps3eye with IR is also a good option but require more calibration. Olm-e ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM and gmerlin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-06-22 11:38, Jaime Oliver wrote: Hi everyone, In Fedora 11, Pd 0.42 and GEM ver: 0.92.2, I am trying to re-compile GEM with gmerlin. I can see gmerlin (and quicktime for that matter) in usr/local/lib, but gem doesn't see them even when I point it there with: --libdir=/usr/local/lib --libdir defines where to install libraries to, not where to look for them (alternatively it might as well be ignored) --with-gmerlin_avdec-libs=/usr/local/lib/ that's usually not needed, as /usr/local/lib is searched by default. and the like... any suggestions? well, this: use gmerlin : no is merely a summary at the end of the test; if it fails and should not, then you might want to look at the actual output of tests (somewhere in the middle of configure's output), and if this doesn't give you any clues, inspect the generated config.log anyhow, the following makes me a bit suspicious: I have succesfully compiled and installed gmerlin gmerlin is a media-player; the video-decoding code is a separate library called gmerlin-avdecoder (which gmerlin can optionally use) despite the common mentioning of gmerlin backend for Gem, the video-decoding backend in question is really gmerlin-avdecoder. so you might simply have installed the wrong thing, and therefore Gem cannot see it. fmgasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4BxCcACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSfpgCg4KIfFevh1mvGz+g7fEBquL+I ySUAn0zN/jE3W9d5u2yTODk3QGkS8JVO =bKyq -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] IanniX 0.8.21 (Beta)
2011/6/22 Thierry Coduys thierry.cod...@le-hub.org: Dear List, Here's the latest beta version of IanniX. Linux http://www.iannix.org/en/download/iannix_linux__0_8_21.tar.gz Very nice work !!! Many thanks p Sources http://www.iannix.org/en/download/iannix_sources__0_8_21.zip Mac OS X (10.5 minimum) http://www.iannix.org/en/download/iannix_mac__0_8_21.dmg WIndows http://www.iannix.org/en/download/iannix_windows__0_8_21.zip Have fun. Thierry ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce -- http://www.pascsaq.org -r-W-x-R-W-X-R- x autobuild/wheel ---[18608128 - s-ile-nses] @@@ ;-) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
eheh, I'm glad the concept of technological parody is giving so much to discuss :) We should put up a twitter account with the #technologicalparody (kidding) M A technological parody ought to be defined by: 1. usage of high-tech hardware to fulfill a low-tech purpose 2. an unwarranted degree of specialization or wasteful usage of hardware size/power Guitar Hero. It's a mockery of music and almost certainly a technological parody. -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Professional, Performer, Instructor ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Lab: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | http://www.flxer.net Event: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
I figured that I would chime in at this point. Thanks, it's a great pleasure to have you here. Every single note you hear, is being played, as in one at a time, as a horn player does, into a looper which I use to layer everything very quickly into an arrangement then deconstruct and reconstruct on a musically relevant trajectory. There was nothing pre recorded or preconceived. Simply a controller, a database of synthesizers and a looper with effects. I am playing every single solitary note. If that sounds like it is hard to do, you're right. I'm sure about it and I can imagine the training you needed to undertake, possibly in the same way other complex gestural control require. But, that's not a constrain, right? Things don't need to be difficult to be relevant (?) I would like an elaboration on how the system is clunky if you don't mind. First off, I feel that it is pretty streamlined for a first prototype made of cardboard that is only 3 months old. Two wireless hand units and a mouth unit. If you have suggestions as to how I might improve it at this stage, before my next stage or dev, I would love to hear it. Sure. First, I think the video and its text on TED are misleading. I understood that the work was a finished one and you were demonstrating it. It's important to know it's only three months prototype. About the clunkyness. I'm also designing a wearable biosensor so I'm happy to share my vision (strictly subjective though). Imho, the box connected to the mouthpiece which presently is hanging from the front side, could be placed on your belt. Increase the lenght of the cable, put the cable under your shirt and you're done. As for the phone as headup display. Something that works very good is haptic feedback. You can have the Pd system send small pulses to a tiny speaker stuck to your skin. These could represent key points in a timeline, pattern changes, instrument changes, behaviour of your sensor, or even the bpm. Pulses can also have different lenghts so that you can have an array of signals. That would be invisible, and reliable. @marco, how would you make this concept more beautiful or efficient? I am always a willing student in these regards. see what I meant above. Do you have any examples of said efficiency? Being an instructor, I would have expected that you would have seen the blog link on the Ted profile and researched your position before simply asserting that my concept has no value. Oh wait, nobody said your work had no value :) No time to fire it up. I expressed my respect for your work since the first post, and I kept doing it in later posts too. I only said that I couldn't agree with the bold claims we make the future and making the music of the future. Now, of course, you have to promote yourself, but I felt that was not coherent. I argue about the innovative character of the work (please note, I refer to the whole work not to the system only). And I also do not mean that it is not innovative at all. It's a great system, but it lacks of directness, as Andy pointed out in a beautiful way. And I believe that, if you are interested in this topic, your performance would greatly benefit of a more direct performative outcome. The audience will clap their hands anyway after your show. However, if they don't need to ask themselves what the heck he's doing? because your interaction with the system is transparent, their overall perception of your work would be ten times greater. A successful performance is something to be achieved in two: performer and audience. A performer alone (or isolated in his own world) is only rehearsing. As someone said already, a violin player do not need to demonstrate transparency because instrumental musical performance is something intrinsic in our culture. We, as creators of new instruments or systems, still struggle to prove that we can control machines in a creative way. Perhaps, this happen because the technological knowledge of the majority of people is still very basic. Although children today play with iPhones, they have no idea how that thing works. And most of them will never know it. They just assume it does work, somehow. This is the capitalistic approach to tech culture. A general consumer do not need to know too much, otherwise she/he can start producing. One thing that I and other alternative controller artists are realizing is that we must be in the audience. Otherwise people can not see that you are actually playing. That is why when I play clubs I play from the dance floor and currently monitor with the club sound system which is hard but allows a flow of ideas that doesn't come from separating ones self from the audience. And from there people can see your fingers and gestures carve the sound. I have to disagree. I would suggest to consider that a gestural controller in a dance party has a very different scope than one in an experimental performance. Secondly, there are many other
Re: [PD] Piezo, trigger, Arduino
Thank you all for your advice. @Roman : what type of op-amp do you use? Thanks! Pierre 2011/6/17 Michael Shiloh michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com Are you using piezo sensors? :-) Try this for starters: http://www.arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/KnockSensor Note that there are other types of piezo sensors, but this is the most common type and probably what you mean. May or may not come in the black plastic case. They are also often called contact mics or piezo speakers. Best price is probably from those silly singing birthday cards. Ask your friends for their old ones and you'll probably get them for free. I also find that most lo-fi audio equpiment uses these as speakers: cordless phones, answering machines, assorted beepers and buzzers. If you collect old junk for future component salvage (I do), you probably have half a dozen of these already. Good luck and let us know what you make! Michael On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:27 AM, Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com wrote: Dear List, This is yet another question about Arduino. Sorry about that. I want to use piezos to trigger samples using my arduino board. I want the trigger to be sensitive, and a quick google search seems to show that piezo is the way to go. Does anybody have any experience with piezo triggers (what type of piezo, isolating each piezo, etc.)? I will hit the piezos with my bare fingers (no drumsticks or anything like that), but i guess it doesn't really matter since i can control the threshold within Pd. This last sentence is just to make sure that everyone knows i'm talking about piezos in case there wasn't enough occurences of the word in my message. Cheers! Pierre ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Piezo, trigger, Arduino
Oops. Sorry, i meant Martin, obviously. 2011/6/22 Roman Haefeli reduz...@gmail.com On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 15:06 +0200, Pierre Massat wrote: Thank you all for your advice. @Roman : what type of op-amp do you use? I guess, it was Martin Peach who suggested using an op-amp. However, I think many common ones will do. Roman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Piezo, trigger, Arduino
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 15:06 +0200, Pierre Massat wrote: Thank you all for your advice. @Roman : what type of op-amp do you use? I guess, it was Martin Peach who suggested using an op-amp. However, I think many common ones will do. Roman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
Thanks, it's a great pleasure to have you here. cheers. Every single note you hear, is being played, as in one at a time, as a horn player does, into a looper which I use to layer everything very quickly into an arrangement then deconstruct and reconstruct on a musically relevant trajectory. There was nothing pre recorded or preconceived. Simply a controller, a database of synthesizers and a looper with effects. I am playing every single solitary note. If that sounds like it is hard to do, you're right. I'm sure about it and I can imagine the training you needed to undertake, possibly in the same way other complex gestural control require. But, that's not a constrain, right? Things don't need to be difficult to be relevant (?) things can be very easy. but easy was never a goal. my goal was to create a system to express myself the way i express myself. i love movement, i love sound. blending the two was eventually going to happen but now i am getting into the mechanics of it and learning as i go. so its not easy but the difficult parts are not something i would shy away from either. I would like an elaboration on how the system is clunky if you don't mind. First off, I feel that it is pretty streamlined for a first prototype made of cardboard that is only 3 months old. Two wireless hand units and a mouth unit. If you have suggestions as to how I might improve it at this stage, before my next stage or dev, I would love to hear it. Sure. First, I think the video and its text on TED are misleading. I understood that the work was a finished one and you were demonstrating it. It's important to know it's only three months prototype. About the clunkyness. I'm also designing a wearable biosensor so I'm happy to share my vision (strictly subjective though). Imho, the box connected to the mouthpiece which presently is hanging from the front side, could be placed on your belt. Increase the lenght of the cable, put the cable under your shirt and you're done. two reasons that not optimal. first being that i have a distinct dislike of belt packs. the internals of the box around my neck are to be included in a carbon fiber helmet which will also house the mic, various sensors and the actual heads up display that the iphone is standing in for. and two, the length of the breath tube would be inefficient at that length. the shorter the better because the tube must also be vented. As for the phone as headup display. Something that works very good is haptic feedback. You can have the Pd system send small pulses to a tiny speaker stuck to your skin. These could represent key points in a timeline, pattern changes, instrument changes, behaviour of your sensor, or even the bpm. Pulses can also have different lenghts so that you can have an array of signals. there are haptics in the the app i use in the phone. TouchOSC responds to a [vibrate message. the units use lilypad buzzers but i must reprogram my firmata to react more quickly. my haptics are mainly used for transposition points, accelerometer positioning and functions and a wonderful wrap-it-up button that allows the promoter at my gigs, to click it and it metronomically buzzes my iphone so that i know that its time to wrap it up and can end my set in a musically satisfying manner. they love that! i get emails because of that button! That would be invisible, and reliable. invisible is a definite no no. people need to see things. and besides. to me, that reactive touchOSC display is HOT! its my favorite part of the aesthetic. i'll tell you a secret. I dont even need it most of the time! I've got all of my functions memorized so far. i just love the way it looks. thats my sci fi geek coming out. and there are WAAAY more superfluous aethetically usefully yet not neccessary fourishes coming. @marco, how would you make this concept more beautiful or efficient? I am always a willing student in these regards. see what I meant above. Do you have any examples of said efficiency? Being an instructor, I would have expected that you would have seen the blog link on the Ted profile and researched your position before simply asserting that my concept has no value. Oh wait, nobody said your work had no value :) No time to fire it up. I expressed my respect for your work since the first post, and I kept doing it in later posts too. I only said that I couldn't agree with the bold claims we make the future and making the music of the future. Now, of course, you have to promote yourself, but I felt that was not coherent. what do you see as the future? have you ever thought about it? is anyone doing it, it being your particular idea of the future? then you have an opportunity to do so. in the future i see, i envision musicians like super heroes/jazz giant hybrids. one guy is an unbelievable tap-dancer like musician...another is stands completely still and uses
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
On 06/21/2011 08:05 AM, Ingo wrote: All lines are played live. There is no pre-recorded drum loop. He is using audio looping only. The drums are played note by note. ... you are right, and after having watched the video another time, i agree to your observations. (and meanwhile it has been 'officially confirmed' anyway) Well, I really don't know why there is a reason fort he audience to know what is going on. at least i want to know, and i think i am not alone... Does the audience have to know how a piano was built in order to appreciate and enjoy piano music? no, but people know what a piano or a violin is, and at least have a rough idea of how it is played, so that 'understanding what is going on' is usuallay not an issue. this is different with electronic music. i think this article by robert henke www.monolake.de/interviews/supercomputing.html explains the problems we have with life performance/electronic music quite well. bis denn! martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
I don't think an audience really needs to know the intricacies of what you are doing in order to appreciate a performance like this, but they do(IMO) need to at least under stand that you ARE doing something and not just triggering loops. That said... And this is just my opinion of course, I honestly think the music stands on it's own regardless of how it was created. In this case, the creation and performance of this stuff is incredibly important to the experience, but even without it, the SOUND is something that i'd listen to. And one more thing... It's not too often these days that we can really talk about how awesome the Internet is, as it has all become so commonplace, but this discussion is really something amazing.. That an international group of people can see a performance, start a real discussion about it and then get input from the performer himself with no constraints of time or place. Sent from my iPad On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:14 AM, martin brinkmann m...@martin-brinkmann.de wrote: On 06/21/2011 08:05 AM, Ingo wrote: All lines are played live. There is no pre-recorded drum loop. He is using audio looping only. The drums are played note by note. ... you are right, and after having watched the video another time, i agree to your observations. (and meanwhile it has been 'officially confirmed' anyway) Well, I really don't know why there is a reason fort he audience to know what is going on. at least i want to know, and i think i am not alone... Does the audience have to know how a piano was built in order to appreciate and enjoy piano music? no, but people know what a piano or a violin is, and at least have a rough idea of how it is played, so that 'understanding what is going on' is usuallay not an issue. this is different with electronic music. i think this article by robert henke www.monolake.de/interviews/supercomputing.html explains the problems we have with life performance/electronic music quite well. bis denn! martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011, Onyx Ashanti wrote: The thing is, nobody asks a violin player what he's playing (as somebody mentioned a few messages ago, sorry for the lack of proper quoting here), I believe, because these traditional instruments are already within our culture, It's not just that, it's that the number of parameters is limited. With computer music there is no way we can learn to understand what's going on in the manner that we did with traditional instruments, simply because it doesn't take many variables at a same time to become confused, and with computer music there are always more variables that can be added to confuse the audience, and those variables can be added and removed at any time. Every show is a potential opportunity to confuse the experts about what's going on, more than it ever was. but with electronic music, we're all a bunch of jilted lovers because were are all so used to hearing amazing music that was created in a very unexciting manner. what this project is, currently, is ok sounding music, done in an exciting manner (to me). thats why i looked so calm on the TED video even though my effects wouldnt latch (assigned to the extremes of the accelerometer range), because i had to concentrate of multiple variables at once and no longer have the distraction of ease...every performance is a strain and it is the best feeling EVER! The audience has no idea what you wanted it to sound like, so they have no way to measure your satisfaction other than looking at how you seem to feel like. when doing a DJ set or an ableton set, it is hard to suck because its all pre-recorded...you can even put on a song and go to the toilet. In the early days of the Pd Montréal users group (or actually, before), there was that joke that the performer could very well be checking his email while his music plays on its own. We were talking about Pd, because one can also use Pd in this manner. We were talking about the lack of proof of the « liveness » of a performance. I love what girl talk does. he covers his laptop in saran wrap to keep drinks from killing it, and he just has everyone around him for the duration of his set. THAT is the future. Doesn't that sound like the TopLap manifesto ? ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 21:36 +0100, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.com wrote: there are many nuances, but I mentioned that as the text in Onyx's video read: so that beatjazzers become as common as djs. Do you really need cables everywhere, sensors, a mouthpiece with two guitar pickups, a smartphone stick to your forearm, etc.. to achieve such goal? Wait a moment. I'm not saying his work is bad or anything. I made safe my respect for his work at the beginning. I'm just saying, guys it's TED and when I heard gestural and sensor control I expected another kind of work, underpinned by another kind of aesthetic, approach, and motivation. But, I probably overestimated which is the value and motivation of new technologies which need to be shown to the mainstream public. ...he clearly has musical skill with his instrument, and is able to keep the musical timing tight. These are all difficult things to do, and from what I've seen 95% of performance with new interfaces for musical expression does not achieve one of those goals solidly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxnFbU6-_eUfeature=player_embedded#at=51 that was in 2008 by Eboman, using not only real time audio looping, but also video looping and processing, plus remix of a website online. Hans, Onyx is playing mostly loops isn't he? How you know about the timing? We don't even know how much of what he's doing is really live, what is he triggering, if timing is controlled by a timeline or by his performance. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. But I saw a lot of loops playing on a timeline and some solos parts possibly produced through the mouthpiece. I'm not talking about the quality of the performance which is obviously good, reliable and enjoyable. I'm pointing at the real value of the innovation since it's a TED episode. So that Eboman performance is a nice performance, he's doing some adept gestural control of sound, and the whole thing put together seems quite engaging. I think Eboman has a very different goal than Onyx Ashanti. Eboman is a live media performance, Onyx Ashanti is a musician. The sounds that Eboman is making would really not be very engaging without the live drummer. It would just be scratching of the video, which could be a good media performance, but doesn't seem very musical. And even with the live drummer, the music is pretty repetative. Without the novelty of the video sampling the live camera, it would not stand very well as a musical performance. I think the audience would have been bored. But Eboman is doing a media performance, so it doesn't make much sense to judge it as a musical performance. From what I've seen, Onyx Ashanti is trying to dive deep into musicianship, with less of a show than your average sax soloist. Whether or not you like his music is a separate question, I think its very hard to refute that he has musical skill and talent with his instrument. And that is very rare with new interfaces for musical expression. .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
Hi list, Whether or not you like his music is a separate question, I think its very hard to refute that he has musical skill and talent with his instrument. And that is very rare with new interfaces for musical expression. .hc I totally agree with you but only since he's explained how works his instrument... It's pity that, on the video, the performance seems to show someone who's triggering some pre-recorded patterns... In that case, I was quite agree with the technological parody expression... :-p But it's not... and, clearly, Onyx has to be congratulated. Bravo. 01ivier. -- Envie de tisser ? http://yamatierea.org/papatchs/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] IanniX 0.8.21 (Beta)
Looks very cool Does it work on android? pp On 6/22/11 4:32 AM, Thierry Coduys thierry.cod...@le-hub.org wrote: Dear List, Here's the latest beta version of IanniX. Linux http://www.iannix.org/en/download/iannix_linux__0_8_21.tar.gz Sources http://www.iannix.org/en/download/iannix_sources__0_8_21.zip Mac OS X (10.5 minimum) http://www.iannix.org/en/download/iannix_mac__0_8_21.dmg WIndows http://www.iannix.org/en/download/iannix_windows__0_8_21.zip Have fun. Thierry ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Subject: Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED To: Onyx Ashanti onyxasha...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 5:08 PM On Wed, 22 Jun 2011, Onyx Ashanti wrote: The thing is, nobody asks a violin player what he's playing (as somebody mentioned a few messages ago, sorry for the lack of proper quoting here), I believe, because these traditional instruments are already within our culture, It's not just that, it's that the number of parameters is limited. With computer music there is no way we can learn to understand what's going on in the manner that we did with traditional instruments, simply because it doesn't take many variables at a same time to become confused, and with computer music there are always more variables that can be added to confuse the audience, and those variables can be added and removed at any time. Every show is a potential opportunity to confuse the experts about what's going on, more than it ever was. but with electronic music, we're all a bunch of jilted lovers because were are all so used to hearing amazing music that was created in a very unexciting manner. what this project is, currently, is ok sounding music, done in an exciting manner (to me). thats why i looked so calm on the TED video even though my effects wouldnt latch (assigned to the extremes of the accelerometer range), because i had to concentrate of multiple variables at once and no longer have the distraction of ease...every performance is a strain and it is the best feeling EVER! The audience has no idea what you wanted it to sound like, so they have no way to measure your satisfaction other than looking at how you seem to feel like. when doing a DJ set or an ableton set, it is hard to suck because its all pre-recorded...you can even put on a song and go to the toilet. In the early days of the Pd Montréal users group (or actually, before), there was that joke that the performer could very well be checking his email while his music plays on its own. We were talking about Pd, because one can also use Pd in this manner. We were talking about the lack of proof of the « liveness » of a performance. I'm assuming the music was interesting. I mean if it sucked, it's a moot point, isn't it? (Though still potentially a funny joke.) Anyway, I think you're way off base. Checking email while interesting music plays isn't a joke-- it is a canary in a mine. And as artists, I hope we're smart enough to know the difference between trying to resuscitate a dead canary and getting the hell out of the mine. -Jonathan I love what girl talk does. he covers his laptop in saran wrap to keep drinks from killing it, and he just has everyone around him for the duration of his set. THAT is the future. Doesn't that sound like the TopLap manifesto ? ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
Dear Miller, B07.sampler.pd is a technological parody. Thanks, Jonathan Please tell me whether that means that a) Miller should remove that tutorial, b) he should revise it to be better, c) it's a waste of time for Miller to read it at all, c) something else. If you didn't choose a or b, then please explain how all of you can possibly be in agreement about any kind of judgment, aesthetic or otherwise, or even understand the relevance of each other's responses, merely by referring to the performance as a technological parody. -Jonathan --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Olivier Baudu lamouraupeu...@gmail.com wrote: From: Olivier Baudu lamouraupeu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED To: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Cc: pd-list@iem.at, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.com Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 6:59 PM Hi list, Whether or not you like his music is a separate question, I think its very hard to refute that he has musical skill and talent with his instrument. And that is very rare with new interfaces for musical expression. .hc I totally agree with you but only since he's explained how works his instrument... It's pity that, on the video, the performance seems to show someone who's triggering some pre-recorded patterns... In that case, I was quite agree with the technological parody expression... :-p But it's not... and, clearly, Onyx has to be congratulated. Bravo. 01ivier. -- Envie de tisser ? http://yamatierea.org/papatchs/ -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
I don't think anyone actually said that sampling was a technological parody. There are lots of things you can do with samples and loops that you wouldn't be able to do with whatever was being sampled. On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Miller, B07.sampler.pd is a technological parody. Thanks, Jonathan Please tell me whether that means that a) Miller should remove that tutorial, b) he should revise it to be better, c) it's a waste of time for Miller to read it at all, c) something else. If you didn't choose a or b, then please explain how all of you can possibly be in agreement about any kind of judgment, aesthetic or otherwise, or even understand the relevance of each other's responses, merely by referring to the performance as a technological parody. -Jonathan --- On *Wed, 6/22/11, Olivier Baudu lamouraupeu...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Olivier Baudu lamouraupeu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED To: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Cc: pd-list@iem.at, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.com Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 6:59 PM Hi list, Whether or not you like his music is a separate question, I think its very hard to refute that he has musical skill and talent with his instrument. And that is very rare with new interfaces for musical expression. .hc I totally agree with you but only since he's explained how works his instrument... It's pity that, on the video, the performance seems to show someone who's triggering some pre-recorded patterns... In that case, I was quite agree with the technological parody expression... :-p But it's not... and, clearly, Onyx has to be congratulated. Bravo. 01ivier. -- Envie de tisser ? http://yamatierea.org/papatchs/ -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Pd-list@iem.at http://mc/compose?to=Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [OT] technological parody was: Pd performance at TED
eheh, I'm glad the concept of technological parody is giving so much to discuss :) We should put up a twitter account with the #technologicalparody (kidding) M I caught on to it, just because I liked the phrase so much. But there are some real examples--Rube-Goldberg machines come right to mind, but you never see them in real life as anything other than comedy. There may be more real-life examples from hacker/builder communities--like, say, a robotic fridge designed to fire a can of beer into the air. Although it may be an awesome novelty, it's not actually practical. Hence, it's nearly a mockery of robotics to build it. No offense to the creators of beer can canons--but you knew it was going to be a joke before you started. So, there's a clear comparison between Pd and Guitar Hero that illustrates the difference. With Guitar Hero on your favorite console, you have a specialized controller, useless for any other games, that only plays canned guitar riffs from a CD. Moreover, the software has to run on particular hardware. Then, a clever programmer with Pd can take that same ridiculous controller and use it for whatever he/she wants. Chuck ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
You're right, no one ever said that. Even me. Did you actually look at the patch? It is a technological parody of record scratching. It perfectly fits the definition given on this list. If you don't think so, then please tell me what you can do with that patch that's so musically interesting that it would warrant buying a modern digital computer instead of a turntable. Of course the answer should be obvious: it's a technological parody which serves as a brilliantly succinct example of the expressivity of Pd, and that's exactly what it needs to be, because it's a tutorial. And of course one criticism of the performance referred to in this thread should be obvious, too, but isn't, because people start out with, It's a technological parody, and then stop writing. Which is what I did in my sample message to Miller, which would make it a waste of his time to read. So the correct answer is: c. -Jonathan --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Cody Loyd codyl...@gmail.com wrote: From: Cody Loyd codyl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 8:32 PM I don't think anyone actually said that sampling was a technological parody. There are lots of things you can do with samples and loops that you wouldn't be able to do with whatever was being sampled. On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Miller, B07.sampler.pd is a technological parody. Thanks, Jonathan Please tell me whether that means that a) Miller should remove that tutorial, b) he should revise it to be better, c) it's a waste of time for Miller to read it at all, c) something else. If you didn't choose a or b, then please explain how all of you can possibly be in agreement about any kind of judgment, aesthetic or otherwise, or even understand the relevance of each other's responses, merely by referring to the performance as a technological parody. -Jonathan --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Olivier Baudu lamouraupeu...@gmail.com wrote: From: Olivier Baudu lamouraupeu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED To: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Cc: pd-list@iem.at, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.com Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 6:59 PM Hi list, Whether or not you like his music is a separate question, I think its very hard to refute that he has musical skill and talent with his instrument. And that is very rare with new interfaces for musical expression. .hc I totally agree with you but only since he's explained how works his instrument... It's pity that, on the video, the performance seems to show someone who's triggering some pre-recorded patterns... In that case, I was quite agree with the technological parody expression... :-p But it's not... and, clearly, Onyx has to be congratulated. Bravo. 01ivier. -- Envie de tisser ? http://yamatierea.org/papatchs/ -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Piezo, trigger, Arduino
Hello, (some time lurker, first post) On 17/06/2011 14:27, Pierre Massat wrote: Dear List, This is yet another question about Arduino. Sorry about that. I want to use piezos to trigger samples using my arduino board. I want the trigger to be sensitive, and a quick google search seems to show that piezo is the way to go. Does anybody have any experience with piezo triggers (what type of piezo, isolating each piezo, etc.)? I will hit the piezos with my bare fingers (no drumsticks or anything like that), but i guess it doesn't really matter since i can control the threshold within Pd. This last sentence is just to make sure that everyone knows i'm talking about piezos in case there wasn't enough occurences of the word in my message. Cheers! Pierre i am currently building something similar, but triggering synthesis instead of samples. While i can't really comment on my piezos (i had them for a long time until i put them to use), an oscillograph showed they have their biggest peaks between 8.88 and 9ms. The arduinos analogue inputs give values between 0 and 1023 (10 10bits). Using the piezos with or without their shell makes a huge difference in the values propagated to pd. i asked someone more knowledgeable than me about a circuit with the same purpose (just reading the biggest amplitude of the piezos response) using http://www.workinprogress.ca/projects/edubeat/source/ but he replied that this specific one would mostly show the characteristics of the capacitor and recommended using a Schmitt-Trigger instead. I'm documenting my project on http://forkbomb.dadacafe.org/blog/ardrum/, it is still a work in progress so not everything is up there yet. hth, tee ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] technological parody was: Pd performance at TED
How is the guitar hero example not just an example of locked down proprietary consoles vs. free software ideals? Put another way: if the console/game were free and open, guitar hero would be the equivalent of a starting point, or maybe (even a tutorial like B07.sampler.pd), that you do before going on to do more expressive and creative things with the controller-- just a way to build facility on the controller. And there would be a community of people modding the hell out of the game, and creating new games. So in this alternate universe guitar hero would be a good thing (that leads to better things), but it would still be a technological parody. The Rube Goldberg machines and the fridge are great examples of parodies-- I suppose we can call them technological parodies if we want to be precise. But for things that are not actually meant as parodies, it's a misnomer that just seems like an ideological term of derision. -Jonathan --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com Subject: [PD] [OT] technological parody was: Pd performance at TED To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 9:00 PM eheh, I'm glad the concept of technological parody is giving so much to discuss :)We should put up a twitter account with the #technologicalparody (kidding) M I caught on to it, just because I liked the phrase so much. But there are some real examples--Rube-Goldberg machines come right to mind, but you never see them in real life as anything other than comedy. There may be more real-life examples from hacker/builder communities--like, say, a robotic fridge designed to fire a can of beer into the air. Although it may be an awesome novelty, it's not actually practical. Hence, it's nearly a mockery of robotics to build it. No offense to the creators of beer can canons--but you knew it was going to be a joke before you started. So, there's a clear comparison between Pd and Guitar Hero that illustrates the difference. With Guitar Hero on your favorite console, you have a specialized controller, useless for any other games, that only plays canned guitar riffs from a CD. Moreover, the software has to run on particular hardware. Then, a clever programmer with Pd can take that same ridiculous controller and use it for whatever he/she wants. Chuck -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
May I suggest. http://www.amazon.com/Liveness-Performance-Mediatized-Philip-Auslander/dp/0 415196906 pp On 6/22/11 11:08 AM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011, Onyx Ashanti wrote: The thing is, nobody asks a violin player what he's playing (as somebody mentioned a few messages ago, sorry for the lack of proper quoting here), I believe, because these traditional instruments are already within our culture, It's not just that, it's that the number of parameters is limited. With computer music there is no way we can learn to understand what's going on in the manner that we did with traditional instruments, simply because it doesn't take many variables at a same time to become confused, and with computer music there are always more variables that can be added to confuse the audience, and those variables can be added and removed at any time. Every show is a potential opportunity to confuse the experts about what's going on, more than it ever was. but with electronic music, we're all a bunch of jilted lovers because were are all so used to hearing amazing music that was created in a very unexciting manner. what this project is, currently, is ok sounding music, done in an exciting manner (to me). thats why i looked so calm on the TED video even though my effects wouldnt latch (assigned to the extremes of the accelerometer range), because i had to concentrate of multiple variables at once and no longer have the distraction of ease...every performance is a strain and it is the best feeling EVER! The audience has no idea what you wanted it to sound like, so they have no way to measure your satisfaction other than looking at how you seem to feel like. when doing a DJ set or an ableton set, it is hard to suck because its all pre-recorded...you can even put on a song and go to the toilet. In the early days of the Pd Montréal users group (or actually, before), there was that joke that the performer could very well be checking his email while his music plays on its own. We were talking about Pd, because one can also use Pd in this manner. We were talking about the lack of proof of the « liveness » of a performance. I love what girl talk does. he covers his laptop in saran wrap to keep drinks from killing it, and he just has everyone around him for the duration of his set. THAT is the future. Doesn't that sound like the TopLap manifesto ? ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
I second the suggestion. I'd also add this one: http://www.amazon.com/Living-Electronic-Music-Simon-Emmerson/dp/0754655482/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1308773106sr=8-1 On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Pagano, Patrick p...@digitalworlds.ufl.eduwrote: May I suggest. http://www.amazon.com/Liveness-Performance-Mediatized-Philip-Auslander/dp/0 415196906 pp On 6/22/11 11:08 AM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011, Onyx Ashanti wrote: The thing is, nobody asks a violin player what he's playing (as somebody mentioned a few messages ago, sorry for the lack of proper quoting here), I believe, because these traditional instruments are already within our culture, It's not just that, it's that the number of parameters is limited. With computer music there is no way we can learn to understand what's going on in the manner that we did with traditional instruments, simply because it doesn't take many variables at a same time to become confused, and with computer music there are always more variables that can be added to confuse the audience, and those variables can be added and removed at any time. Every show is a potential opportunity to confuse the experts about what's going on, more than it ever was. but with electronic music, we're all a bunch of jilted lovers because were are all so used to hearing amazing music that was created in a very unexciting manner. what this project is, currently, is ok sounding music, done in an exciting manner (to me). thats why i looked so calm on the TED video even though my effects wouldnt latch (assigned to the extremes of the accelerometer range), because i had to concentrate of multiple variables at once and no longer have the distraction of ease...every performance is a strain and it is the best feeling EVER! The audience has no idea what you wanted it to sound like, so they have no way to measure your satisfaction other than looking at how you seem to feel like. when doing a DJ set or an ableton set, it is hard to suck because its all pre-recorded...you can even put on a song and go to the toilet. In the early days of the Pd Montréal users group (or actually, before), there was that joke that the performer could very well be checking his email while his music plays on its own. We were talking about Pd, because one can also use Pd in this manner. We were talking about the lack of proof of the « liveness » of a performance. I love what girl talk does. he covers his laptop in saran wrap to keep drinks from killing it, and he just has everyone around him for the duration of his set. THAT is the future. Doesn't that sound like the TopLap manifesto ? ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Pedro Oliveira www.partidoalto.net soundcloud.com/iburiedpaul ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PPA for libpd?
I agree that we should provide a libpd.pc. Let's aim to fold this into the main branch of the libpd repository. If the PPA ends up using code from aalex, let's merge that into the main branch as well. A related question is whether this is the time to declare the libpd API finished, but that's a discussion that we should probably take to pd-everywhere. Cheers, Peter On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 3:04 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.atwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-06-22 05:47, august wrote: Is there a version number for libpd? I see you guys have added a pd.pc in http://gitorious.org/~aalex/pdlib/aalexs-libpd just to chime in: please note that pd also provides a pd.pc. i would highly suggest to provide a libpd.pc for libpd. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4BlAoACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRg+ACeIu70dOUt/Ovz377qW8h4A5jg wDQAnjVCznEBzDXU6LmdPSm6IrDQisRQ =A+mM -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: You're right, no one ever said that. Even me. Did you actually look at the patch? It is a technological parody of record scratching. It perfectly fits the definition given on this list. If you don't think so, then please tell me what you can do with that patch that's so musically interesting that it would warrant buying a modern digital computer instead of a turntable. Well, one might want to connect the sampler patch to another patch that produces a contrasting sound, they both would share the same values sent to the atom to change pitches ect. Don't you think to say a patch that emulates scratching sounds from audio samples is a technological parody of a scratching record player, is a bit like saying a patch that emulates the sound of the piano is a technological parody of a piano (they are both instruments)?. I think one purpose of audio software to emulate instruments ? Regarding if it is musically interesting, I'm v. sure you know record scratching is(was?) used as an instrument in hip hop and such. If a purpose of audio software is emulation of physical instruments then I don't think it should be labeled as a technological parody. Otherwise you could use the argument 'why have a computer when I can buy a physical instrument' every time? Just sharing thoughts really, interesting topic. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
They have little TEDx events here AT UF in florida and they are basically digital Like button shows. People want to be wowed also want to look over your shoulder and understand what you are doing so they may immediately dismiss it. I get the question often when some Digital bad-ass leans over to me or sneaks up to the booth and asks hey, what are you using I usually just say photo-shop On 6/21/11 2:58 PM, Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:15:12 +1000 Richie Cyngler glitch...@gmail.com wrote: We could look at TED as a kind of media iceberg. The ideas showcased may often be interesting but the substance of their presentation is often lacking, Seems a fair and insightful point. TED is populist. The couple of people I know who've done talks had to work hard to squeeze an entire career into a few minutes of soundbites. You're bound to feel you sacrificed some depth and comodified yourself. -- Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
wow, there are impressive stuff in this video. thanks for sharing it. cheers Cyrille Le 21/06/2011 18:29, Jean-Marie Adrien a écrit : Hi list A link that might contribute, somehow, to the debate http://www.jeanmarie-adrien.net/documentaire-inter.htm cheers JmA Le 21 juin 11 à 17:33, Andy Farnell a écrit : On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca mailto:ma...@artengine.ca wrote: That's why, conceptually, my favourite two performances are XTC's Making Plans for Nigel, in which they made a point of hitting a gong that doesn't sound like one, IIRC there was a similar thing with Vince Clarke getting the hump with a Yazoo performance and just unplugging and putting down the keyboard. But I guess that was a more sassy protest in the face of being pressured towards inauthenticity. -- Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk mailto:padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
How does this help? As an example of current media new dance? I am unsure. Please inform me before I start posting Robert Ashley clips. On 6/22/11 4:57 PM, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net wrote: wow, there are impressive stuff in this video. thanks for sharing it. cheers Cyrille Le 21/06/2011 18:29, Jean-Marie Adrien a écrit : Hi list A link that might contribute, somehow, to the debate http://www.jeanmarie-adrien.net/documentaire-inter.htm cheers JmA Le 21 juin 11 à 17:33, Andy Farnell a écrit : On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca mailto:ma...@artengine.ca wrote: That's why, conceptually, my favourite two performances are XTC's Making Plans for Nigel, in which they made a point of hitting a gong that doesn't sound like one, IIRC there was a similar thing with Vince Clarke getting the hump with a Yazoo performance and just unplugging and putting down the keyboard. But I guess that was a more sassy protest in the face of being pressured towards inauthenticity. -- Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk mailto:padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
Le 22/06/2011 23:02, Pagano, Patrick a écrit : How does this help? As an example of current media new dance? I am unsure. Please inform me before I start posting Robert Ashley clips. if Robert Ashley use sensors and pd, please do. c On 6/22/11 4:57 PM, cyrille henryc...@chnry.net wrote: wow, there are impressive stuff in this video. thanks for sharing it. cheers Cyrille Le 21/06/2011 18:29, Jean-Marie Adrien a écrit : Hi list A link that might contribute, somehow, to the debate http://www.jeanmarie-adrien.net/documentaire-inter.htm cheers JmA Le 21 juin 11 à 17:33, Andy Farnell a écrit : On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Mathieu Bouchardma...@artengine.camailto:ma...@artengine.ca wrote: That's why, conceptually, my favourite two performances are XTC's Making Plans for Nigel, in which they made a point of hitting a gong that doesn't sound like one, IIRC there was a similar thing with Vince Clarke getting the hump with a Yazoo performance and just unplugging and putting down the keyboard. But I guess that was a more sassy protest in the face of being pressured towards inauthenticity. -- Andy Farnellpadawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk mailto:padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.atmailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] technological parody was: Pd performance at TED
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: The Rube Goldberg machines and the fridge are great examples of parodies-- I suppose we can call them technological parodies if we want to be precise. But for things that are not actually meant as parodies, it's a misnomer that just seems like an ideological term of derision. Correct. It's a kids game, I know... and it works as intended. Yes--I am deriding it even though I probably don't have to. so, I guess you mean to say that a *real* parody has to be intentional? I doubt the creators of the robotic beer fridge thought they were creating a parody--but the sheer impracticality and high-technology implementation *makes* it one. So, calling *anything* a technological parody is as you said, just an ideological term of derision. But after all, you can create anything you want, it depends on how it's received by other people what labels they would put on it. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] technological parody was: Pd performance at TED
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: How is the guitar hero example not just an example of locked down proprietary consoles vs. free software ideals? I think you missed the contrast. Pd is clearly not a technological parody, even if it looks like just a software version of patching together synthesizers/effects. That was the point. I think we're going to suck all the fun out of this expression now... I do this often enough on the list. Other than that--GH is stupid. and I think that's a perfectly good reason to trash it. I selected it as the first real example of something that I think is a joke of technology. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] technological parody was: Pd performance at TED
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:33:03 -0500 Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote: so, I guess you mean to say that a *real* parody has to be intentional? I doubt the creators of the robotic beer fridge thought they were creating a parody--but the sheer impracticality and high-technology implementation *makes* it one. Chindogu is a technology parody It must must be completely unneccessary, or detrimental to the actual goal, while seeming superficially plausible; so battery operated rotating spaghetti forks and hats with fans to keep you cool (but beware of fan death, and never wear them to bed). -- Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
Yes, it's exactly like that. But that's the way the term was defined, which-- as you point out-- covers wide array of synthesis techniques and uses of digital computers. I would just conclude that it doesn't seem a particularly enlightening term, except for a specific subset of parodies that have to do with technology. As a term of derision I think it's confusing/confused. -Jonathan --- On Wed, 6/22/11, ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2...@gmail.com wrote: From: ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at, Cody Loyd codyl...@gmail.com Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 10:44 PM On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: You're right, no one ever said that. Even me. Did you actually look at the patch? It is a technological parody of record scratching. It perfectly fits the definition given on this list. If you don't think so, then please tell me what you can do with that patch that's so musically interesting that it would warrant buying a modern digital computer instead of a turntable. Well, one might want to connect the sampler patch to another patch that produces a contrasting sound, they both would share the same values sent to the atom to change pitches ect. Don't you think to say a patch that emulates scratching sounds from audio samples is a technological parody of a scratching record player, is a bit like saying a patch that emulates the sound of the piano is a technological parody of a piano (they are both instruments)?. I think one purpose of audio software to emulate instruments ? Regarding if it is musically interesting, I'm v. sure you know record scratching is(was?) used as an instrument in hip hop and such. If a purpose of audio software is emulation of physical instruments then I don't think it should be labeled as a technological parody. Otherwise you could use the argument 'why have a computer when I can buy a physical instrument' every time? Just sharing thoughts really, interesting topic. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Bessel object
Hi Guys I have been tryung to find a polynomial solution to bessel functions but instead have found solutioions for Jn(x) for different x and n. Im asking if maby someone has created an object (or abstraction) that computes Jn(x) for different n either by a function or by tables. Thanks a lot! Daniel ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] technological parody was: Pd performance at TED
You're right-- the creator's intentions don't matter here, that's beside the point. -Jonathan --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] [OT] technological parody was: Pd performance at TED To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com, pd-list@iem.at Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 11:33 PM On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: The Rube Goldberg machines and the fridge are great examples of parodies-- I suppose we can call them technological parodies if we want to be precise. But for things that are not actually meant as parodies, it's a misnomer that just seems like an ideological term of derision. Correct. It's a kids game, I know... and it works as intended. Yes--I am deriding it even though I probably don't have to. so, I guess you mean to say that a *real* parody has to be intentional? I doubt the creators of the robotic beer fridge thought they were creating a parody--but the sheer impracticality and high-technology implementation *makes* it one. So, calling *anything* a technological parody is as you said, just an ideological term of derision. But after all, you can create anything you want, it depends on how it's received by other people what labels they would put on it. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PPA for libpd?
well, I just made my first PPA. It's waiting to build on launchpad. I have the Makefile copy pd.pc to libpd.pc. libpd.pc is then installed instead of pd.pc Not sure if I should be using the aalex repo or not. What are the differences? I don't think the API needs to be fixed for this personal package. ...however, maybe for official submission to debian or ubuntu. best -august. I agree that we should provide a libpd.pc. Let's aim to fold this into the main branch of the libpd repository. If the PPA ends up using code from aalex, let's merge that into the main branch as well. A related question is whether this is the time to declare the libpd API finished, but that's a discussion that we should probably take to pd-everywhere. Cheers, Peter On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 3:04 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.atwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-06-22 05:47, august wrote: Is there a version number for libpd? I see you guys have added a pd.pc in http://gitorious.org/~aalex/pdlib/aalexs-libpd just to chime in: please note that pd also provides a pd.pc. i would highly suggest to provide a libpd.pc for libpd. fgmasdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4BlAoACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRg+ACeIu70dOUt/Ovz377qW8h4A5jg wDQAnjVCznEBzDXU6LmdPSm6IrDQisRQ =A+mM -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- --- http://aug.ment.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] technological parody was: Pd performance at TED
I know, sucking of said life happens often on a list like this, but I'm just challenging you based on the definition of the term offered on this thread. Pd is not a technological parody, but the patch to which I referred is. If it seems suitable to call one thing by this term because we want to deride it, but not another thing to which it applies because we like and use it, then the term doesn't help further the discourse. That's what I mean by ideological-- a very general sense of the word. Also, I do think I'm on point with regard to locked-down-proprietary vs. free/open. I mean I could turn it around by imagining someone taking B07.sampler.pd on a small form factor machine with DRM and hooking up some kind of turntable controller so you could scratch continuous soft music till your heart's content, but that's all. That would be equally as stupid. On the other hand, that patch is a great tutorial patch in it's current context-- as someone mentioned, just start adding objects (or iemguis) and you can quickly extend it to do cool things. Or from the other end-- think of hooking up a mouse to the console where someone is playing Guitar Hero, getting a pointer, then right-clicking on some part of the screen that brings up the Pd abstraction responsible for outputting the song to the speakers, or mapping the controller input... Ok you can't actually do that, I know, but that's the point, really-- if you could it we'd be talking about free software, and technological parody or no, we'd quickly be doing some cool things with that game. :) -Jonathan --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] [OT] technological parody was: Pd performance at TED To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com, pd-list@iem.at Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 11:40 PM On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: How is the guitar hero example not just an example of locked down proprietary consoles vs. free software ideals? I think you missed the contrast. Pd is clearly not a technological parody, even if it looks like just a software version of patching together synthesizers/effects. That was the point. I think we're going to suck all the fun out of this expression now... I do this often enough on the list. Other than that--GH is stupid. and I think that's a perfectly good reason to trash it. I selected it as the first real example of something that I think is a joke of technology. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP_w_Mvh9tU Is this a technological parody? On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, it's exactly like that. But that's the way the term was defined, which-- as you point out-- covers wide array of synthesis techniques and uses of digital computers. I would just conclude that it doesn't seem a particularly enlightening term, except for a specific subset of parodies that have to do with technology. As a term of derision I think it's confusing/confused. -Jonathan --- On *Wed, 6/22/11, ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2...@gmail.com* wrote: From: ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at, Cody Loyd codyl...@gmail.com Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 10:44 PM On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: You're right, no one ever said that. Even me. Did you actually look at the patch? It is a technological parody of record scratching. It perfectly fits the definition given on this list. If you don't think so, then please tell me what you can do with that patch that's so musically interesting that it would warrant buying a modern digital computer instead of a turntable. Well, one might want to connect the sampler patch to another patch that produces a contrasting sound, they both would share the same values sent to the atom to change pitches ect. Don't you think to say a patch that emulates scratching sounds from audio samples is a technological parody of a scratching record player, is a bit like saying a patch that emulates the sound of the piano is a technological parody of a piano (they are both instruments)?. I think one purpose of audio software to emulate instruments ? Regarding if it is musically interesting, I'm v. sure you know record scratching is(was?) used as an instrument in hip hop and such. If a purpose of audio software is emulation of physical instruments then I don't think it should be labeled as a technological parody. Otherwise you could use the argument 'why have a computer when I can buy a physical instrument' every time? Just sharing thoughts really, interesting topic. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
Certainly could be. :) Or on the other hand: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cuuRG6-IT8 -Jonathan --- On Thu, 6/23/11, Tyler Leavitt thecryofl...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tyler Leavitt thecryofl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2...@gmail.com, pd-list@iem.at Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 5:25 AM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP_w_Mvh9tU Is this a technological parody? On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, it's exactly like that. But that's the way the term was defined, which-- as you point out-- covers wide array of synthesis techniques and uses of digital computers. I would just conclude that it doesn't seem a particularly enlightening term, except for a specific subset of parodies that have to do with technology. As a term of derision I think it's confusing/confused. -Jonathan --- On Wed, 6/22/11, ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2...@gmail.com wrote: From: ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at, Cody Loyd codyl...@gmail.com Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 10:44 PM On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: You're right, no one ever said that. Even me. Did you actually look at the patch? It is a technological parody of record scratching. It perfectly fits the definition given on this list. If you don't think so, then please tell me what you can do with that patch that's so musically interesting that it would warrant buying a modern digital computer instead of a turntable. Well, one might want to connect the sampler patch to another patch that produces a contrasting sound, they both would share the same values sent to the atom to change pitches ect. Don't you think to say a patch that emulates scratching sounds from audio samples is a technological parody of a scratching record player, is a bit like saying a patch that emulates the sound of the piano is a technological parody of a piano (they are both instruments)?. I think one purpose of audio software to emulate instruments ? Regarding if it is musically interesting, I'm v. sure you know record scratching is(was?) used as an instrument in hip hop and such. If a purpose of audio software is emulation of physical instruments then I don't think it should be labeled as a technological parody. Otherwise you could use the argument 'why have a computer when I can buy a physical instrument' every time? Just sharing thoughts really, interesting topic. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
