Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
Hi Miller, On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 09:35:14PM -0700, Miller Puckette wrote: Nope... there needs to be a string-to-binary-list-and-back function somewhere but I can't figure out what to name it :) Would you consider adding a more generally useful [split] object to Pd for this type of thing? Something like this is present in Perl, Python, Javascript, etc. It has two inlets and one argument. The right inlet and argument both specify the character or sequence of characters (symbol) to split the incoming symbol on. The left inlet accepts a symbol and the single outlet outputs a list, which is the symbol that came in, split into a list of atoms using the specified character or symbol as a divider. On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 01:26:21AM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: now, some files come in ratios as one symbol like this 5/4 3/2 7/4 Here you would use [split /] and filter those atoms like 5/4 through to get lists like 5 4. This would make a whole bunch of behaviour possible in Pd that is currently only possible with externals. Hm, I should just contribute a patch. Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Pais @ Pure Data Convention 2011 - Concert, Workshop, Paper presentation, organisation
Dear friends, here is a small update about some upcoming events. João Pais ( others) @ Pure Data Convention 2011: 8th-9th August Workshop by João Pais Understanding and being creative with Pure Data’s data structures http://www.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/PDCON:Workshops/Data_Structures 8th August Endphase 18-2 Mixed Cities João Pais (in Weimar, laptop) Alberto C. Bernal, Enrique Tomás (in Madrid, smartphones) http://www.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/PDCON:Concerts/Endphase:_João_Pais,_Alberto_C._Bernal,_Enrique_Tomás https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=249753455044229 12th August Paper presentation Click Tracker: Performance/composition tool for metrically complex scores (with Pedro Lopes) http://www.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/PDCON:Conference/Click_Tracker:_Performance/composition_tool_for_metrically_complex_scores 13th+14th August - Events in Berlin, @NK and LEAP http://www.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/PDCON:Schedule#Saturday_13._Aug._2011 https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=263231713693375 For more information, look at http://www.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/PDCON:Schedule Best regards, João Pais ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] netsend/netreceive + GUI bug
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-08-02 22:44, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: This is however not the case whenever you have a high throughput traffic that arrives form various sources at unexpected intervals as the netreceive sends out its message whenever it receives it rather than waiting for the scheduler interrupt which means when that message lands in the middle of another tcl/tk message that is currently being parsed to be sent out to gui (something that commonly is unlikely to take place when the throughput is low but becomes increasingly more likely as the network traffic increases), you end up with garbage output that results in syntax error on the tcl/tk side and thus tcl/tk becomes unresponsive. This is best observed if you monitor pd-tcl/tk activity with debugger on. hmm, i don't know where you get this idea from, but to me, the code of Pd's networking infrastructure looks, as if a) all incoming traffic was polled for in the main thread b) all output of this traffic (to the Pd-patch) was propery protected by sys_lock() this basically contradicts your claims of network data being asynchronously fed into Pd's messaging cycle. of course there might be some bugs in the code, but i rather doubt that. fgmasdr IOhannes PS: just for clarity: i'm talking about the [netreceive] object in Pd-vanilla; things might be different in Pd-extended and other networking objects. e.g. iemnet will receive the data asynchronously, but then will pass it to Pd synchronously. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk44+RQACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvQk8gCfVOPQWNCAZLGrZacFetCKe4Lk M68An1+DhFuYETKGS+nUl+l/mBJRwjdn =++Nt -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-08-03 08:21, Chris McCormick wrote: Hm, I should just contribute a patch. you could also just take the code of zexy's [symbol2list] object. it does exactly what you describe. fgmasdr IOhannes PS: i hereby grant miller s. puckette (the authore of pure-data) the right to use (and modify) the code of zexy's symbol2list objectn to integrate it into puredata under the terms of the revised BSD license under which puredata is currently distributed. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk44+hoACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvT9qQCfat1M2L7VzdY/hoXfn0VlpgVP t6gAnjvd7Fe04clJgQHQoAP5HRrTt9rs =72iz -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] find a list of numbers in a text file
Hi, On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 11:51:17PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: Back in the end of my masters, I did make something that allows you to load scales from the Scala software into Pd, which has a database of over 4000 scales. Check the software and data bank here http://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/ It's an extremely powerful tool for microtonality, but you may not care for that and just want to use the scale data bank in Pd. Anyway, I have a way that exports the from the Scala software into a text file that opens in this specific subpatch of mine. My [tunetof] abstraction from 2006 uses a python script to convert Scala files to a format, Pd can easily import to a [table] See http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2006-04/037184.html ff. It's in the Pd repository at /abstractions/footils/tunetof Maybe you can make use of the Python parser? Ciao -- Frank BarknechtDo You RjDj.me? _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
Aw c'mon, Miller, you didn't even try. It's just a little sprintf hacking and that idiosyncratic recursion that outputs everything backwards. -Jonathan From: Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu To: Alexandre Torres Porres por...@gmail.com Cc: pd-lista puredata pd-list@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file Nope... there needs to be a string-to-binary-list-and-back function somewhere but I can't figure out what to name it :) M On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 01:26:21AM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: now, some files come in ratios as one symbol like this 5/4 3/2 7/4 I'd need to break them into different characters, then treat as numbers to get interval in cents. How do I do that? I believe I can't do it in any way with vanilla objects, right? thanks Alex 2011/8/3 Alexandre Torres Porres por...@gmail.com yeah, it works :) I knew there had to be an easier way other than the mess I did. Perfect, Thanks This is a very cool addon feature to my stuff I'm showing at PdCon, see you all there. See you all there soon! 2011/8/3 Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu HI Alex -- Have you tried sending textfile an open [my-filename] cr message? The cr flag asks to interpret newlines as end-of-list. cheers Miller On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 11:51:17PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: Hi folks Back in the end of my masters, I did make something that allows you to load scales from the Scala software into Pd, which has a database of over 4000 scales. Check the software and data bank here http://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/ It's an extremely powerful tool for microtonality, but you may not care for that and just want to use the scale data bank in Pd. Anyway, I have a way that exports the from the Scala software into a text file that opens in this specific subpatch of mine. But I was trying to do something easier, and that is just load these *.scl files into [textfile] or [msgfile] for example, and extracting the list of these scale intervals in cents. Here's what one of these files look like == ! 08-11.scl ! 8 out of 11-tET 8 ! 218.18182 327.27273 436.36364 654.54545 763.63636 872.72727 1090.90909 2/1 === So I assumed it'd be easy to extract each cents value and make a list out of it, but I was wrong. Don't know why but it doesn't load this in separate lines, maybe because it is not a *.txt file at all. And anyway, I'm getting in Pd just a list, so the above file, for example, file becomes list ! 08-11.scl ! 8 out of 11-tET 8 ! 218.182 327.273 436.364 654.545 763.636 872.727 1090.91 2/1 I seem to have found a messy way to get the list out of it, but maybe you people know of something really simple and elegant with some extended objects. Thanks Alex ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ratio2list.pd Description: Binary data ratio2list-help.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd Convention - Data structures workshop: Taking your requests
Hi, On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 01:57:32PM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: How well do these things scale without having a low level way to delete/copy scalars or insert/remove arbitrary array elements? It's okayish. To store the symbol, I use a data-structure array of number/symbol pairs, where the number is used as a flag if a symbol is active or deleted. So your symbolarray can have holes, but OTOH if you create an array with only one symbol stored at position 20,000 it will use up the memory of 20,000 symbol/number pairs. But so does a [table] ... Ciao -- Frank BarknechtDo You RjDj.me? _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd Convention - Data structures workshop: Taking your requests
On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 03:02:47PM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: If you look at the canvas get method I added to the tracker, you'll see I have a get parent RECEIVE-SYMBOL message that returns a pointer to the parent canvas (or a zero if there isn't one). This allows you to: [bng] | [f $0] | [get parent $1-rcv] | [s pd-$0-mysubpatch] [r $0-rcv] | [route parent] | [route 0] | [pointer] Now [pointer] is pointing at the parent of [pd $0-mysubpatch], so if I immediately follow this by sending the message send-window obj 20 20 clip to [pointer], I get a [clip] object on it's parent. That's just a silly example, but notice it's different than sending to pd-PATCH-FILENAME.pd, which would draw a [clip] on every instance of that patch that is open. Put this in an abstraction and it obsoletes [namecanvas]. Or create an abstraction to climb to the root, or the toplevel, etc. Amazing! Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 09:34:50AM +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: On 2011-08-03 08:21, Chris McCormick wrote: Hm, I should just contribute a patch. you could also just take the code of zexy's [symbol2list] object. it does exactly what you describe. PS: i hereby grant miller s. puckette (the authore of pure-data) the right to use (and modify) the code of zexy's symbol2list objectn to integrate it into puredata under the terms of the revised BSD license under which puredata is currently distributed. What do you reckon, Miller? Would it help if I did the aforementioned work of integrating it and submitting a nice clean patch with helpfile and all? Heck, I will just do it and see. Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
you could also just take the code of zexy's [symbol2list] object. it does exactly what you describe. You can also use [splitfilename] with [fromsymbol] for that. my Click Tracker (http://code.google.com/p/clicktracker/) uses exactly the 4/4, 7/8, etc. format. If you look for the subpatch [pd x/y-konv], the 4/4 to 4 4 conversion is isolated there. of course, a more efficient/intuitive solution would also be desirable - as for complex manipulation of symbols in general, there is Pd still a bit too limited. João ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Soundfiler / ram
thanks a lot JM Le 2 août 11 à 04:54, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : Yeah, I think just create 50 arrays with size 10 or something, then load them using 'read -resize' to soundfiler. If you need to deactivate an array, you can send it a resize message to make it small. See attached patch. .hc On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 22:14 +0200, Jean-Marie Adrien j...@jeanmarie-adrien.net wrote: Thanks for yor message Hans-Christoph ! so to confirm : Given say 50 presets with each 250 samples some of them read direct from disk and others in arrays for looping and so on. Presets do not need to switch instantly, loading might take few seconds. But switching a large number of times as installation runs, has to be clean though. Good way to implement this would be : declare a number of arrays (corresponding to the largest preset) when loading the patch and resizing / reloading them for preset change ? (I do not want to choose a bad option from the beginning !) cheers, JM Le 30 juil. 11 à 20:20, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : There is the 'resize' message to send to an array to resize it, or the -resize option to the 'read' message to soundfiler. For very low RAM situations, you might be better off with readsf~. .hc On Jul 30, 2011, at 9:16 AM, Jma/celeonet wrote: Hi list Probably has been discussed million times : how is it possible to open / close large number of sound samples dynamically in arrays to keep ram low ? (all samples not used at the same time). Set to zero, resize to zero and reload ? Any clear command ? Any clean and up-to-date way (Mac Os) ? Thanks JmAdrien ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list -- -- If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson resize-array.pd ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
Yeah, [s2l], that's the one I knew it existed but couldn't remember. But what I didn't expect is that it'd work so well for this :) But I also always try to see if it's possible to do with vanilla objects, and have a vanilla patch version. I was so convinced it'd be impossible, but Jonathan proved it can be done. Wow, I'm still trying to understand how it works, incredible. Thanks folks 2011/8/3 Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Aw c'mon, Miller, you didn't even try. It's just a little sprintf hacking and that idiosyncratic recursion that outputs everything backwards. -Jonathan -- *From:* Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu *To:* Alexandre Torres Porres por...@gmail.com *Cc:* pd-lista puredata pd-list@iem.at *Sent:* Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:35 AM *Subject:* Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file Nope... there needs to be a string-to-binary-list-and-back function somewhere but I can't figure out what to name it :) M On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 01:26:21AM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: now, some files come in ratios as one symbol like this 5/4 3/2 7/4 I'd need to break them into different characters, then treat as numbers to get interval in cents. How do I do that? I believe I can't do it in any way with vanilla objects, right? thanks Alex 2011/8/3 Alexandre Torres Porres por...@gmail.com yeah, it works :) I knew there had to be an easier way other than the mess I did. Perfect, Thanks This is a very cool addon feature to my stuff I'm showing at PdCon, see you all there. See you all there soon! 2011/8/3 Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu HI Alex -- Have you tried sending textfile an open [my-filename] cr message? The cr flag asks to interpret newlines as end-of-list. cheers Miller On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 11:51:17PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: Hi folks Back in the end of my masters, I did make something that allows you to load scales from the Scala software into Pd, which has a database of over 4000 scales. Check the software and data bank here http://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/ It's an extremely powerful tool for microtonality, but you may not care for that and just want to use the scale data bank in Pd. Anyway, I have a way that exports the from the Scala software into a text file that opens in this specific subpatch of mine. But I was trying to do something easier, and that is just load these *.scl files into [textfile] or [msgfile] for example, and extracting the list of these scale intervals in cents. Here's what one of these files look like == ! 08-11.scl ! 8 out of 11-tET 8 ! 218.18182 327.27273 436.36364 654.54545 763.63636 872.72727 1090.90909 2/1 === So I assumed it'd be easy to extract each cents value and make a list out of it, but I was wrong. Don't know why but it doesn't load this in separate lines, maybe because it is not a *.txt file at all. And anyway, I'm getting in Pd just a list, so the above file, for example, file becomes list ! 08-11.scl ! 8 out of 11-tET 8 ! 218.182 327.273 436.364 654.545 763.636 872.727 1090.91 2/1 I seem to have found a messy way to get the list out of it, but maybe you people know of something really simple and elegant with some extended objects. Thanks Alex ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] netsend/netreceive + GUI bug
hmm, i don't know where you get this idea from, but to me, the code of Pd's networking infrastructure looks, as if a) all incoming traffic was polled for in the main thread b) all output of this traffic (to the Pd-patch) was propery protected by sys_lock() I am honestly not that familiar with this low-level aspect of pd. What I am however aware of is that the poll function responsible for receiving message (meaning when it arrives at the socket) inside netreceive immediately dispatches it to pd and its polling is linked not to pd's main loop but to the moment when the socket has received a packet which appears to be a part of any basic network socket example code available online and as far as I can see, I did not notice any relationship between its polling intervals and Pd's main loop. FWIW, The only difference in my implementation is that the received messages are forwarded to pd via clock_delay(0) which has fixed all such occurrences inside L2Ork which is quite network traffic heavy, and apparently has resolved problems for others as well. Best wishes, Ico ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] netsend/netreceive + GUI bug
hmm, i don't know where you get this idea from, but to me, the code of Pd's networking infrastructure looks, as if a) all incoming traffic was polled for in the main thread b) all output of this traffic (to the Pd-patch) was propery protected by sys_lock() I am honestly not that familiar with this low-level aspect of pd. What I am however aware of is that the poll function responsible for receiving message (meaning when it arrives at the socket) inside netreceive immediately dispatches it to pd and its polling is linked not to pd's main loop but to the moment when the socket has received a packet which appears to be a part of any basic network socket example code available online and as far as I can see, I did not notice any relationship between its polling intervals and Pd's main loop. If you are indeed talking about vanilla netsend and netreceive, the poll function is called during pd's main loop, not when something arrives at the socket. In x_net.c : sys_addpollfn(sockfd, (t_fdpollfn)socketreceiver_read, y); socketreceiver_read is in s_inter.c: void socketreceiver_read(t_socketreceiver *x, int fd) sys_addpollfunction schedules the function to be called each pass through Pd's main loop. Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:21:09 +0800 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx wrote: Would you consider adding a more generally useful [split] object I agree this would be a useful core object. What problems, if any, do you forsee? Would those outputs implicitly be symbols? Or would we venture the types in advance like [split f / f] to obtain two floats Turning the symbol 5/7 to a real number would then be [symbol 5/7( | [split f / f] |/ [/ ] | [number 0.714285] -- Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
[makefilename] works off of sprintf which allows you to use it's precision modifier; the syntax is a . followed by a number, sandwiched between the % and the type specifier. For symbols, something like %.2s means you want a precision of two characters, so [makefilename] will truncate everything after the second character of the symbol. (BTW-- this means it's trivial to make an abstraction in pd that counts the number of characters in a symbol...) So I basically made an outer recursive loop that increments the precision, and an inner iterative loop with [until] that tries to match the symbol at that precision. Since I know your ratio format will only contains digits and a single forward slash, then at most it takes 11 tries to find the first character; once the match is found that known character is prefixed to whatever I'm matching in the next iteration of the outer loop. This contiues until the symbol at the current level of precision matches the original symbol. Finally, a list of floats is accumulated from a counter whose value corresponds to the matched symbol for each outer loop iteration. The idiosyncratic recursion happens when combining the single digits to make the final two values of the numerator and denominator. It's a [list split 1] with the middle outlet to a [t a] that feeds back into the left inlet. This outputs the list backwards-- I'm not exactly sure why, but it's handy in this case because I can just multiply each digit by increasing powers of ten and accumulate to get the final value for the numerator. (Same process for the denominator.) There's the danger of a stack overflow, but it's unlikely that either part of the fraction would have more than 249 digits. Actually now that I look at it, there should be a much greater danger of a stack overflow in the outer loop, because there are seven objects involved in the recursion. But I can still send a 123-character symbol to the abstraction without an overflow. Not sure I understand the relationship between # of objects in recursive chain and max # function calls before stack overflow. -Jonathan From: Alexandre Torres Porres por...@gmail.com To: pd-lista puredata pd-list@iem.at; Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file Yeah, [s2l], that's the one I knew it existed but couldn't remember. But what I didn't expect is that it'd work so well for this :) But I also always try to see if it's possible to do with vanilla objects, and have a vanilla patch version. I was so convinced it'd be impossible, but Jonathan proved it can be done. Wow, I'm still trying to understand how it works, incredible. Thanks folks 2011/8/3 Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Aw c'mon, Miller, you didn't even try. It's just a little sprintf hacking and that idiosyncratic recursion that outputs everything backwards. -Jonathan From: Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu To: Alexandre Torres Porres por...@gmail.com Cc: pd-lista puredata pd-list@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file Nope... there needs to be a string-to-binary-list-and-back function somewhere but I can't figure out what to name it :) M On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 01:26:21AM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: now, some files come in ratios as one symbol like this 5/4 3/2 7/4 I'd need to break them into different characters, then treat as numbers to get interval in cents. How do I do that? I believe I can't do it in any way with vanilla objects, right? thanks Alex 2011/8/3 Alexandre Torres Porres por...@gmail.com yeah, it works :) I knew there had to be an easier way other than the mess I did. Perfect, Thanks This is a very cool addon feature to my stuff I'm showing at PdCon, see you all there. See you all there soon! 2011/8/3 Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu HI Alex -- Have you tried sending textfile an open [my-filename] cr message? The cr flag asks to interpret newlines as end-of-list. cheers Miller On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 11:51:17PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: Hi folks Back in the end of my masters, I did make something that allows you to load scales from the Scala software into Pd, which has a database of over 4000 scales. Check the software and data bank here http://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/ It's an extremely powerful tool for microtonality, but you may not care for that and just want to use the scale data bank in Pd. Anyway, I have a way that exports the from the Scala software into a text file that opens in this specific subpatch of mine. But I was trying to do something easier, and that is just load these *.scl
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Andy Farnell wrote: On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:21:09 +0800 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx wrote: Would you consider adding a more generally useful [split] object I agree this would be a useful core object. What problems, if any, do you forsee? Would those outputs implicitly be symbols? Or would we venture the types in advance like [split f / f] to obtain two floats Turning the symbol 5/7 to a real number would then be [symbol 5/7( | [split f / f] |/ [/ ] | [number 0.714285] I think to fit with the Pd type system in general, it should automatically interpret things into floats and symbols (http://puredata.info/dev/PdDefinitions ): Pd Manual 2.1.2 The text is divided into atoms separated by white space. Atoms are either numbers or symbols like '+'. Pd Manual 2.1.2 Anything that is not a valid number is considered a symbol. .hc As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pd message order?
so standard objects have right to left ordering of outlet processing, but what about send and receive for messages? if multiple objects receive for the same name, which one gets it first? is there a triggerlike object for messages, or should I send multiple messages each with a differentiated tag like s bla1, s bla2, s s bla3 even when I send the same message? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:12:49 -0400 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Andy Farnell wrote: On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:21:09 +0800 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx wrote: Would you consider adding a more generally useful [split] object I agree this would be a useful core object. What problems, if any, do you forsee? Would those outputs implicitly be symbols? Or would we venture the types in advance like [split f / f] to obtain two floats Turning the symbol 5/7 to a real number would then be [symbol 5/7( | [split f / f] |/ [/ ] | [number 0.714285] I think to fit with the Pd type system in general, it should automatically interpret things into floats and symbols (http://puredata.info/dev/PdDefinitions ): Pd Manual 2.1.2 The text is divided into atoms separated by white space. Atoms are either numbers or symbols like '+'. Pd Manual 2.1.2 Anything that is not a valid number is considered a symbol. That seems unambiguous. So I guess if you wanted your numbers as symbols, you'd explicitly convert them back to symbols. I used to use [symbol2list] a lot, so Iohannes suggestion is interesting. But could that split on an arbitary symbol like Chris suggests for the proposed [split] ? a. -- Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd message order?
IIRC they'll appear in the order the objects were created. To be clear I would use a trigger to explicitly order and send to destinations with different (and meaningful names) In this case the name is best chosen to reflect the intended action, rather than the source. Hope that makes sense. a. On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 23:16:38 +0200 Ludwig Maes ludwig.m...@gmail.com wrote: so standard objects have right to left ordering of outlet processing, but what about send and receive for messages? if multiple objects receive for the same name, which one gets it first? is there a triggerlike object for messages, or should I send multiple messages each with a differentiated tag like s bla1, s bla2, s s bla3 even when I send the same message? -- Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd message order?
Technically it seems to be this: they output in reverse creation order. (The last [receive] you created in the patch will output first.) Conceptually, imagine an evil demon changing the order in real-time to screw up your patch. Thwart the demon by using wired connections, trigger, and subpatches to define order. Only use multiple [receive]s when message order doesn't matter. (Same with multiple wires fanning out to various objects from an outlet.) -Jonathan From: Ludwig Maes ludwig.m...@gmail.com To: Pd List pd-list@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 5:16 PM Subject: [PD] pd message order? so standard objects have right to left ordering of outlet processing, but what about send and receive for messages? if multiple objects receive for the same name, which one gets it first? is there a triggerlike object for messages, or should I send multiple messages each with a differentiated tag like s bla1, s bla2, s s bla3 even when I send the same message? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011, Miller Puckette wrote: Nope... there needs to be a string-to-binary-list-and-back function somewhere but I can't figure out what to name it :) for consistency with pd's source, one of : [stringmofo] (inspired from d_soundfiler.c) [stringpute] (inspired from d_soundfiler.c) [stringshit] (inspired from s_inter.c) ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Wed, 3 Aug 2011, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Tue, 2 Aug 2011, Miller Puckette wrote: Nope... there needs to be a string-to-binary-list-and-back function somewhere but I can't figure out what to name it :) for consistency with pd's source, one of : [stringmofo] (inspired from d_soundfiler.c) [stringpute] (inspired from d_soundfiler.c) [stringshit] (inspired from s_inter.c) but really, it ought to be about splitting the atom... [oppenheimer] [hiroshima] [tchernobyl] [strangelove] [distantearlywarning] Now, I am become -s_name[i], the destroyer of symbols... ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
