Re: [PD] Textual pd primer

[Pierre Massat]

Just a thought : wouldn't it be useful to create a
pd-Raspberrypi@iem.ataddress ? I get the feeling that there will be
more and more messages about
this new platform which may not necessarily be interesting to pure Pd users.

Cheers,

Pierre.

2012/8/16 Andy Farnell 

>
> I guess this is a case of working out best practices for development.
>
> Nobody actually develops Pd in text mode, but gettin things running in
> an embedded way involves a good deal less graphics and can be intimidating
> or confusing at first.
>
> If you don't want the RPi set up with mouse, kbd and monitor like a full
> system, it's rather like working on other embedded development systems,
> you need to see the board as a target host, and your local machine as the
> development (client).
>
> One way is to work on a laptop or desktop, and the ftp/scp them accross to
> the
> target board.
>
> But probably most useful is to use X windows to ssh
>
> ssh -Y -l user address.of.my.rpi
>
> and then just start Pd, which will seem to run on your main machine.
>
>
> I sense some kind of Raspberry Pi and Pd workshop in the coming
> weeks. maybe best developmnt practices and tips will be an
> outcme of that meeting.
>
> best,
> Andy
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:42:47AM -0400, Sam Raker wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> > Longtime listener, first time caller.
> > I was wondering if there's a good intro to text-only pd. I just got a
> raspberry pi, and I've heard a lot of chatter about how the -nogui flag
> solves a lot of weird dsp problems &c, plus it'd be nice not to have to
> waste a USB port plugging in a mouse as well as a keyboard/midi
> keyboard/sound card/m-audio box/etc. Plus my main comp is a mac, and I'm
> worried making my patches on my Mac and then getting them onto my pi will
> be a pain in the b.
> >
> > I've seen people say stuff like, "oh, just make a patch and look at it
> with a text editor and figure it out," but that's a bit over my head.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > -sam
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Re: [PD] Multiple instances of libpd

[Scott R. Looney]

maybe i'm not getting something, but why is it necessary to run several
instances of libpd? if you're trying to recreate 10 Audio sources with one
Audio Listener in 3D space it seems you'd simply create enough subpatches
to go into your main patch plus some mixing, or HRTF audio data. each
subpatch comes with information for 3D location and tracks movement of the
player relative to that, but the final output should really be coming from
the Audio Listener, with the output levels, panning etc mixed relative to
the players position in the space. The Audio Listener is only needed one
time, so to me everything would be submixed down from Audio Source to Audio
Listener.

now the biggest issue to me is telling libpd you want to create an Audio
Source on the fly and be able to create individual instances of the
subpatcher doing the work of the Audio Source. and somehow the output of
each subpatcher could be mixed down to a 3D stereo binaural signal.

i think instances would end up being extremely inefficient and take up
larger space and probably CPU. if you had 10 Audio Sources and one Audio
Listener - that would  be 11 instances of libpd, which i think could
potentially bog down something like an iPad or Android device very quickly.
it just doesn't seem practical.

scott

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, patrick  wrote:

> hi,
>
> there's a huge downside on using libpd with unity, you cannot use multiple
> instances of libpd: allowing to use multiple audio source in 3d space (no
> spacialization possible only a single audio source / instance).
>
> quoting Peter:
> http://goo.gl/t6LVe
>
> "Miller Puckette is aware of the issue, and a few weeks ago he hinted that
> he may have a solution that's not too terribly complicated."
>
> what is the current state of this solution?
>
> i am still trying to find a way & information on how to have 2 audio
> source / 2 patch / 2 Libpd.Process(). if anyone have suggestions on how to
> achieve that...
>
> thanks
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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

[András Murányi]

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Tilo Kremer  wrote:

> On 08/15/2012 11:13 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> >
> > Brooklyn Poly can no longer host the build farm machines there, so the
> > main set of machines will be going offline as of today (I just found
> > this out today).
> >
> > I'll see if I can find another host for them, but that will likely take
> > a good long while since I'm deep in life with a 1 year old, a pregnant
> > wife, and full time work.
> >
> > Even better would be someone taking over the hosting of the main server,
> > i.e. the one with the web server and all of the builds.  I can post the
> > image of the current server for downloading, or advise on setting up a
> > new one from scratch.
> >
> > .hc
>
> For the time that I am working at the Hamburg University of Fine
> Arts, I will continue to run the 64bit debian build boxes.
>
> I have too few powerpc boxes left to be able to offer more in this
> respect.
>
> A set of instructions for setting up the build boxes would
> nevertheless be very helpful.
>
> Thank you for all your effort,
>
> best wishes,
>
> Tee
>
>
I've updated the builder matrix for clarity.
http://puredata.info/docs/developer/PdLab Please correct if any mistakes.
Right now the greatest need is to re-establish the autobuild master as the
slaves are virtually useless without a master. I guess it would be a relief
for Hans if we could do this mostly by ourselves.
Now, I see that the Jenkins master is up, it says it's running on
macosx105-i386.pdlab.puredata.info but it's not the ip that belongs to the
macosx105-i386 slave according to the wiki.
Anyway, this could be the time to take the step and move the autobuild
process to Jenkins. But it would take some to get everything build there
reliably, I guess. Opinions?

András
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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

[Tilo Kremer]

On 08/15/2012 11:13 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> 
> Brooklyn Poly can no longer host the build farm machines there, so the
> main set of machines will be going offline as of today (I just found
> this out today).
> 
> I'll see if I can find another host for them, but that will likely take
> a good long while since I'm deep in life with a 1 year old, a pregnant
> wife, and full time work.
> 
> Even better would be someone taking over the hosting of the main server,
> i.e. the one with the web server and all of the builds.  I can post the
> image of the current server for downloading, or advise on setting up a
> new one from scratch.
> 
> .hc

For the time that I am working at the Hamburg University of Fine
Arts, I will continue to run the 64bit debian build boxes.

I have too few powerpc boxes left to be able to offer more in this
respect.

A set of instructions for setting up the build boxes would
nevertheless be very helpful.

Thank you for all your effort,

best wishes,

Tee

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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

[Pierre-Olivier Boulant]

Hi,

If this is of any use, there is a compile farm here in Toulouse, France.
No hosting, but a great variety of machines to compile on.
http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/CompileFarm

I know the guy running it.

Cheers
Pierre-Olivier


On 16/08/2012 15:41, Greg Pond wrote:
I have the machine running the builds for mac ppc in my office. Hans 
has been running it remotely from NY. If I should keep it here, I can 
pass the access information to whomever can take over the builds.


Greg

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:06 AM, András Murányi > wrote:


Bad news and such a sort notice but glad to hear Max can help.
Thanks Max and thanks Hans (and "forza, coraggio" with the babies
and all the fuss)!

My first thought was how we could decentralize the system a bit in
order to make it less fragile...
1st, I'd like to see more "private" build machines, even with some
modification to the build script that allows for weekly builds
instead of daily ones...
2nd, what about using the cloud for storage? There are plenty of
file hosting services and we are talking about 20-30MB files.
Authenticity would be a priority of course.
Just some thoughts.

András


On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Max mailto:abonneme...@revolwear.com>> wrote:

i can help with that. we can put a few machines in our server
room. i'm at this institution for two more years, but i hope
my successor will also be teaching Pd, so there might be
continuity after that date.

m.

Am 15.08.2012 um 23:40 schrieb João Pais:

> how about contacting someone at iem for that? or any other
media school with someone in the staff that is pd-friendly?
>
>>
>> Brooklyn Poly can no longer host the build farm machines
there, so the
>> main set of machines will be going offline as of today (I
just found
>> this out today).
>>
>> I'll see if I can find another host for them, but that will
likely take
>> a good long while since I'm deep in life with a 1 year old,
a pregnant
>> wife, and full time work.
>>
>> Even better would be someone taking over the hosting of the
main server,
>> i.e. the one with the web server and all of the builds.  I
can post the
>> image of the current server for downloading, or advise on
setting up a
>> new one from scratch.
>>
>> .hc
>
>


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[PD] UPP - Universal polyphonic player

[Thomas Grill]

Dear all,
i finally got around to organize and streamline the examples of the workshop i 
gave at the pd convention in Weimar.

It deals with a pure-pd (abstraction only) infrastructure for the efficient and 
flexible organization of general polyphonic events.
I use it for many different tasks, so maybe it is of use for you too.
Have a look at http://g.org/upp
 
Right now i managed to write the lessons 1 to 4a which introduce the 
fundamentals - you should get the idea.
More interesting and complex examples and real-world applications will follow 
later - see the table of contents.

In the tutorial, i stress the fact that a potential user should understand the 
mechanics of the patches in order to get the most out of it with own custom 
extensions.
In this sense, i am dependent on your feedback - please let me know when things 
are unclear and need further explanation. I am also grateful for further 
applications and improvements.

have fun with it,
gr~~~

--
Thomas Grill
http://g.org


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Re: [PD] Textual pd primer

[Andy Farnell]

I guess this is a case of working out best practices for development.

Nobody actually develops Pd in text mode, but gettin things running in
an embedded way involves a good deal less graphics and can be intimidating
or confusing at first.

If you don't want the RPi set up with mouse, kbd and monitor like a full
system, it's rather like working on other embedded development systems,
you need to see the board as a target host, and your local machine as the
development (client).

One way is to work on a laptop or desktop, and the ftp/scp them accross to the
target board.

But probably most useful is to use X windows to ssh 

ssh -Y -l user address.of.my.rpi

and then just start Pd, which will seem to run on your main machine.


I sense some kind of Raspberry Pi and Pd workshop in the coming
weeks. maybe best developmnt practices and tips will be an
outcme of that meeting.

best,
Andy


On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:42:47AM -0400, Sam Raker wrote:
> Hi guys,
> Longtime listener, first time caller. 
> I was wondering if there's a good intro to text-only pd. I just got a 
> raspberry pi, and I've heard a lot of chatter about how the -nogui flag 
> solves a lot of weird dsp problems &c, plus it'd be nice not to have to waste 
> a USB port plugging in a mouse as well as a keyboard/midi keyboard/sound 
> card/m-audio box/etc. Plus my main comp is a mac, and I'm worried making my 
> patches on my Mac and then getting them onto my pi will be a pain in the b. 
> 
> I've seen people say stuff like, "oh, just make a patch and look at it with a 
> text editor and figure it out," but that's a bit over my head.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> -sam
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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

[Roman Haefeli]

Hi Hans

On Wed, 2012-08-15 at 17:13 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> 
> Brooklyn Poly can no longer host the build farm machines there, so the
> main set of machines will be going offline as of today (I just found
> this out today).

Sad to hear that. Many thanks for hosting them for such a long time,
though.

> I'll see if I can find another host for them, but that will likely
> take a good long while since I'm deep in life with a 1 year old, a
> pregnant wife, and full time work.

Good for you!  You really have dedicated a lot of time for the Pd
community in the past. Thanks a lot for all your work on Pd stuff.

> Even better would be someone taking over the hosting of the main
> server, i.e. the one with the web server and all of the builds.  I can
> post the image of the current server for downloading, or advise on
> setting up a new one from scratch.

I might be able to help out and host a few OpenVZ virtual machines for
the autobuilds. This wouldn't include Windows and OS X machines, though.
Right now, I can't tell when I will have the resources for helping in
this, but I'll keep the list updated. I also have an interest in having
the autobuilds up and running.

Roman 


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Re: [PD] Error installing Puredata from software center

[Rick T]

Thanks now when I try and go to the about and click on help and about or
help and manual I get error messages
couldn't open "/usr/lib/puredata/doc/1.manual/1.introduction.txt": no such
file or directory
couldn't not find "/usr/lib/puredata/doc/1.manual/index.htm": no such file
or directory

I tried installing the doc's from the software center and it says I have to
uninstall puredata.

Thanks
Rick

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 7:58 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig  wrote:

> On 08/12/2012 03:51 AM, Rick T wrote:
>
>> Greetings All
>>
>> I have ubuntu 12.04 64bit running xfce and I installed puredata from the
>> ubuntu software center and I get an error
>> "/usr/lib/puredata/tcl/pd-gui.**tcl" failes to execute child process no
>> such file or directory.  How can I fix this?
>>
>>
> make sure that the "puredata-gui" package is installed, and if it already
> is, then re-install it.
>
>
>
> fg,smdr
> IOhannes
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Re: [PD] Textual pd primer

[Jonathan Wilkes]

- Original Message -
> From: Sam Raker 
> To: "pd-list@iem.at" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 10:42 AM
> Subject: [PD] Textual pd primer
> 
> Hi guys,
> Longtime listener, first time caller. 
> I was wondering if there's a good intro to text-only pd. I just got a 
> raspberry pi, and I've heard a lot of chatter about how the -nogui flag 
> solves a lot of weird dsp problems &c, plus it'd be nice not to have to 
> waste a USB port plugging in a mouse as well as a keyboard/midi 
> keyboard/sound 
> card/m-audio box/etc. Plus my main comp is a mac, and I'm worried making my 
> patches on my Mac and then getting them onto my pi will be a pain in the b. 

How exactly do you want to get the patches onto the pi?

> 
> I've seen people say stuff like, "oh, just make a patch and look at it 
> with a text editor and figure it out," but that's a bit over my head.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> -sam
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Re: [PD] 0.43.2 on Mountain Lion

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

>
> > my own mac is 5 years old, running 5

> point something I think and certainly

> unable to run the newest systems.


I just sold my first mac that I got 5 years ago in august 2007 (at PdCon07
by the way). I know It can run 10.8. The one just before that cannot, but
it goes up to 10.7

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[PD] Gem w/ -nogui on Raspberry Pi

[m.e.grimm]

It is occurring to me to ask since getting a RPI.

Can I do "-nogui" w/ Gem from terminal and have a fullscreen Gem win.

I am assuming this would be OpenGL only without booting X.

If possible, how?

thanks!
m

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[PD] Textual pd primer

[Sam Raker]

Hi guys,
Longtime listener, first time caller. 
I was wondering if there's a good intro to text-only pd. I just got a raspberry 
pi, and I've heard a lot of chatter about how the -nogui flag solves a lot of 
weird dsp problems &c, plus it'd be nice not to have to waste a USB port 
plugging in a mouse as well as a keyboard/midi keyboard/sound card/m-audio 
box/etc. Plus my main comp is a mac, and I'm worried making my patches on my 
Mac and then getting them onto my pi will be a pain in the b. 

I've seen people say stuff like, "oh, just make a patch and look at it with a 
text editor and figure it out," but that's a bit over my head.

Thoughts?

-sam
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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

[Greg Pond]

I have the machine running the builds for mac ppc in my office. Hans has
been running it remotely from NY. If I should keep it here, I can pass the
access information to whomever can take over the builds.

Greg

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:06 AM, András Murányi  wrote:

> Bad news and such a sort notice but glad to hear Max can help. Thanks Max
> and thanks Hans (and "forza, coraggio" with the babies and all the fuss)!
>
> My first thought was how we could decentralize the system a bit in order
> to make it less fragile...
> 1st, I'd like to see more "private" build machines, even with some
> modification to the build script that allows for weekly builds instead of
> daily ones...
> 2nd, what about using the cloud for storage? There are plenty of file
> hosting services and we are talking about 20-30MB files. Authenticity would
> be a priority of course.
> Just some thoughts.
>
> András
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Max  wrote:
>
>> i can help with that. we can put a few machines in our server room. i'm
>> at this institution for two more years, but i hope my successor will also
>> be teaching Pd, so there might be continuity after that date.
>>
>> m.
>>
>> Am 15.08.2012 um 23:40 schrieb João Pais:
>>
>> > how about contacting someone at iem for that? or any other media school
>> with someone in the staff that is pd-friendly?
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Brooklyn Poly can no longer host the build farm machines there, so the
>> >> main set of machines will be going offline as of today (I just found
>> >> this out today).
>> >>
>> >> I'll see if I can find another host for them, but that will likely take
>> >> a good long while since I'm deep in life with a 1 year old, a pregnant
>> >> wife, and full time work.
>> >>
>> >> Even better would be someone taking over the hosting of the main
>> server,
>> >> i.e. the one with the web server and all of the builds.  I can post the
>> >> image of the current server for downloading, or advise on setting up a
>> >> new one from scratch.
>> >>
>> >> .hc
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

[András Murányi]

Bad news and such a sort notice but glad to hear Max can help. Thanks Max
and thanks Hans (and "forza, coraggio" with the babies and all the fuss)!

My first thought was how we could decentralize the system a bit in order to
make it less fragile...
1st, I'd like to see more "private" build machines, even with some
modification to the build script that allows for weekly builds instead of
daily ones...
2nd, what about using the cloud for storage? There are plenty of file
hosting services and we are talking about 20-30MB files. Authenticity would
be a priority of course.
Just some thoughts.

András

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Max  wrote:

> i can help with that. we can put a few machines in our server room. i'm at
> this institution for two more years, but i hope my successor will also be
> teaching Pd, so there might be continuity after that date.
>
> m.
>
> Am 15.08.2012 um 23:40 schrieb João Pais:
>
> > how about contacting someone at iem for that? or any other media school
> with someone in the staff that is pd-friendly?
> >
> >>
> >> Brooklyn Poly can no longer host the build farm machines there, so the
> >> main set of machines will be going offline as of today (I just found
> >> this out today).
> >>
> >> I'll see if I can find another host for them, but that will likely take
> >> a good long while since I'm deep in life with a 1 year old, a pregnant
> >> wife, and full time work.
> >>
> >> Even better would be someone taking over the hosting of the main server,
> >> i.e. the one with the web server and all of the builds.  I can post the
> >> image of the current server for downloading, or advise on setting up a
> >> new one from scratch.
> >>
> >> .hc
> >
> >
>
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Re: [PD] nightly builds going away for now

[Max]

i can help with that. we can put a few machines in our server room. i'm at this 
institution for two more years, but i hope my successor will also be teaching 
Pd, so there might be continuity after that date.

m.

Am 15.08.2012 um 23:40 schrieb João Pais:

> how about contacting someone at iem for that? or any other media school with 
> someone in the staff that is pd-friendly?
> 
>> 
>> Brooklyn Poly can no longer host the build farm machines there, so the
>> main set of machines will be going offline as of today (I just found
>> this out today).
>> 
>> I'll see if I can find another host for them, but that will likely take
>> a good long while since I'm deep in life with a 1 year old, a pregnant
>> wife, and full time work.
>> 
>> Even better would be someone taking over the hosting of the main server,
>> i.e. the one with the web server and all of the builds.  I can post the
>> image of the current server for downloading, or advise on setting up a
>> new one from scratch.
>> 
>> .hc
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