Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-extended 0.43.4 release candidate 1: last chance to report your bugs

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Hey Sei,

I'm pretty sure I fixed the issues with the Audio and MIDI names being in 
Japanese.  Can you test it on your machine and confirm?  I can't make the Audio 
names have Japanese in them on my 10.6 system, so I have no way to test it.

.hc

On Jan 7, 2013, at 10:01 PM, Seiichiro MATSUMURA wrote:

> Hi HC,
> 
> On Mac OSX（10.7 Lion）, "Audio setting" and "MIDI setting" under
> "Media" menu are still buggy.
> I often have freeze Pd when I change settings and I need to restart Pd.
> 
> This is just another question.
> What is the difference between "Edit mode(shift+Cmd+E)" and "Edit
> mode(Cmd+E)" under "Edit" menu?
> I can't understand the specific function of "Edit mode(shift+Cmd+E)" added.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Sei Matsumura
> 
> 
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> 2013/1/8 Hans-Christoph Steiner :
>> 
>> I think this is the final release, last chance to test your patches and make
>> sure everything is working well in this release.  Also, double-check the
>> translations.  I'll do one final import of translations from Transifex before
>> finalizing it.  Download here:
>> 
>> http://puredata.info/downloads/pd-extended/releases/0.43.4
>> 
>> Its been a long time coming, but its finally reached completion!  This 
>> release
>> includes the most new features of any release before, here are some 
>> highlights:
>> 
>> * complete help search: search all installed docs (Help->Search)
>> * loaders: you can now write native Pd objects in Lua (pdlua) and Tcl (tclpd)
>> * new libraries: log, iemguts, mediasettings, pduino, syslog
>> * GUI plugins: customize your editing experience
>> * full Unicode support, write patches in any language
>> * fully translatable GUI, with many languages already included
>> * Magic Glass to see what's going through connections as it happens
>> 
>> And much more: http://puredata.info/dev/NextRelease
>> 
>> Download it here:
>> http://puredata.info/downloads/pd-extended/releases/0.43.4
>> 
>> 
>> Or if you are using Ubuntu/Mint, you can use the PPA:
>> https://launchpad.net/~eighthave/+archive/pd-extended/
>> 
>> run these commands in the Terminal to add this PPA to your system:
>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:eighthave/pd-extended
>> 
>> 
>> There are some bugs that will have to wait until the next release:
>> 
>> * Windows command line args don't work with unicode
>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3595309&group_id=55736&atid=478070
>> 
>> * [initbang] worked with GUI objs in 0.42 but not in 0.43
>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3599058&group_id=55736&atid=478070
>> 
>> * Right-click menu causes CPU spike
>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3525646&group_id=55736&atid=478070
>> 
>> * specific kinds of "GUI overload"
>> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2012-12/099534.html
>> 
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Re: [PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 94, Issue 68

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

> My guess is that its Sept 30 thru Oct 5th, but I'll double-check.
>
> .hc
>

nice, there is this noise in music conference in the UK just then, but I'd
ditch it for PdCon. But I'd like to know ASAP so I don't bother applying
for it (deadline is 21st now).

I agree 1st week is kinda useless and that it's be much problematic if it
were the last week of a semester.

If there's a chance now, I say we go for it. And, by the way, I say it'd be
cool if this became some an annual event. Hopefully we could rely on the
places that already hosted it to fill in the gaps every other year.

Of course I'm speaking on behalf of Brazil. This year (nothing official
yet, really far from it) we're thinking of starting an event much like the
PdCon, but open to every open source media art software. If this is
successful, we could make it a double event next year, including PdCon_2014
in it.

I kinda like the idea of pairing events, like it's kinda about to happen in
the US. This way, if anyone is busy, they don't feel that awfully bad for
missing it.

And overall, I think the importance of the event relies a lot on making an
impact on where it's taking place. I feel it was very nice to have it in
Brazil specially for that, and it feels wise to keep things rolling. So
bear with me if you think that a yearly event is bad because it might
reduce it somehow, I think it will actually make things grow. And there is
also the idea of "build it and they will come", it might be kinda
optimistic, but I think that it's also quite realistic and true.

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Re: [PD] umenu, poly~, in and out object and add possibility to have argument with inlet or outlet like

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I'm guessing that you're talking about Max/MSP objects, though I've never
heard of [in] or [out].

You might be interested in [flatgui/popup] which is a non-interrupting pop-up
menu, and [polypoly~], which provides a MIDI interface to multiple instance
management.  Its part of the 'many' lib, which includes a bunch of other
approaches to managing instances: http://puredata.info/downloads/many

.hc

On 01/15/2013 03:17 PM, Olivier Baudry wrote:
> Dear all
> 
> I wouldlike to know if you plan ta add umenu, poly~, in and out object
> and add possibility to have argument with inlet or outlet like?
> 
> 
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[PD] umenu, poly~, in and out object and add possibility to have argument with inlet or outlet like

[Olivier Baudry]

Dear all

I wouldlike to know if you plan ta add umenu, poly~, in and out object
and add possibility to have argument with inlet or outlet like?
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Re: [PD] the next PdCon in...

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On 01/15/2013 12:44 PM, J Oliver wrote:
>>> first week of October
>>> 2013
> 
> Is this the week starting on Oct 7th?
> J

My guess is that its Sept 30 thru Oct 5th, but I'll double-check.

.hc

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Re: [PD] the next PdCon in...

[J Oliver]

>> first week of October
>> 2013

Is this the week starting on Oct 7th?
J

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Re: [PD] the next PdCon in...

[Charles Z Henry]

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:22 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

> On 2013-01-15 17:03, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> >
> > The dates are fixed with the VIA festival, and CMU could only host
> > PdCon in 2013 in conjunction with the VIA festival.  So the
> > question is, whether we should go ahead with first week of October
> > 2013 in Pittsburgh even though it will conflict for a lot of
> > European universities.
> >
>
> so what are the alternatives?
>
> fgamsdr
> IOhannes
>

You know that first week of class is going to be worthless anyway.  If
you're teaching, get someone else to cover for you, re-direct your email to
/dev/null, hop on a plane, and straighten things out afterwards :)

If you're generally busy, everything's a conflict. hmmm sorry 2013 is no
good for me, but I'll *retire* in 2045

Chuck
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Re: [PD] the next PdCon in...

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

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On 2013-01-15 17:03, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
> 
> The dates are fixed with the VIA festival, and CMU could only host
> PdCon in 2013 in conjunction with the VIA festival.  So the
> question is, whether we should go ahead with first week of October
> 2013 in Pittsburgh even though it will conflict for a lot of
> European universities.
> 

so what are the alternatives?

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[PD] canvas properties dialog enhancement ?

[Fero Kiraly]

hallo,

It is possibile for pd developers to make this thing ? :

When I have an abstraction object which uses arguments and when
the checkbox 'Hide object name & args' is checked I am unable to change
the arguments.

But, if the arguments could be displayed in the canvas properties dialog
(mouse right click on the abstraction) somewhere on a new line and
editable, it will be a nice feature, I think 


fero
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Re: [PD] the next PdCon in...

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Jan 15, 2013, at 3:08 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

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> On 2013-01-15 08:57, Nicolas Montgermont wrote:
>> Hello all,
> 
> i guess it's time for me to step in.
> 
>> 
>> To add my point: in France, students usually start courses between
>> the 15th of september and the 1st october. So I guess, the
>> beginning of september is better for us.
>> 
> 
> first of all: cool, great, thank you.
> it's great that somebody picked it up again.
> also, i quite like the idea of PdCon bouncing between continents.
> 
> as for the date: in Austria, courses start at the beginning of october
> as well :-(
> so i wouldn't mind if the date could be shifted.
> i would go as far (even on the danger of being boohed) as to say that
> i personally would not mind to see the next PdCon early in 2014
> (but that's mainly because my schedule is tight; i would love to see
> all of you again asap!)

The dates are fixed with the VIA festival, and CMU could only host PdCon in 
2013 in conjunction with the VIA festival.  So the question is, whether we 
should go ahead with first week of October 2013 in Pittsburgh even though it 
will conflict for a lot of European universities.

.hc
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Re: [PD] changing timestamp of noteout midi message

[Roman Haefeli]

On Die, 2013-01-15 at 15:57 +0100, Panagiotis Melidis wrote:
> thanks a lot for your answer martin!
> 
> 
> so in that case, is there any way to modify the noteout object in
> order to add a timestamp? otherwise i should find a way to add the
> timestamp _after_ the message is sent from noteout, right?

>From what I know - and probably what Martin meant before - there is no
way to specify a timestamp in MIDI as the MIDI protocol simply has no
timestamp defined. When timestamps are involved in your problem, they
most likely are not implemented on the MIDI level, but somewhere else.

As there are no timestamps in MIDI, it is unlikely that your problem can
be solved by hacking [noteout]. 

The concept of timestamps in your problem seems specific to the IAC bus
you mentioned. In the link you posted I read:

"A hacky workaround would be to route the MIDI bus to an intermediate
program that echoes the MIDI packets to another IAC bus but adds
timestamps."

Have you tried that? (I must say I don't know anything about IAC bus nor
any specifics about MIDI in OS X)

Roman





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> 
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Martin Peach
>  wrote:
> There is no timestamp in the MIDI spec. A noteout message
> sends three bytes: status+channel, number, velocity.
> 
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> On 2013-01-15 08:02, Panagiotis Melidis wrote:
> 
> as it seems the problem would be solved if i could
> find a way to add a
> timestamp each time noteout sends a message... but is
> there a way to do
> that? should i modify the noteout source code?
> 
> is there maybe another way to send timestamped midi
> messages from pure data?
> 
> thanks again!
> 
> 
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> 
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Panagiotis Melidis
>  
> > wrote:
> 
> hey people!
> 
> i am working on osx, ver 10.8.2
> 
> i am sending noteout messages from PD over to
> Ableton Live via the
> IAC driver, but after a certain point ableton live
> ignores the
> messages, and this has to do with the fact that
> live itself is
> getting confused by the timestamps.
> 
> on the ableton forums people found that the
> solution is to add the
> timestamp with the midi message, and some people
> managed to achieve
> it for C++ and Python as explained in those two
> posts;
> 
> 
> https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1426466#p1426466
> 
> https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1347051#p1347051
> 
> so, i am struggling to find a way to change the
> timestamp of a
> noteout message but i can't do it.
> 
> any ideas?
> 
> hope i was clear enough :)
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Re: [PD] changing timestamp of noteout midi message

[Panagiotis Melidis]

thanks a lot for your answer martin!

so in that case, is there any way to modify the noteout object in order to
add a timestamp? otherwise i should find a way to add the timestamp _after_
the message is sent from noteout, right?


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On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Martin Peach wrote:

> There is no timestamp in the MIDI spec. A noteout message sends three
> bytes: status+channel, number, velocity.
>
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> On 2013-01-15 08:02, Panagiotis Melidis wrote:
>
>> as it seems the problem would be solved if i could find a way to add a
>> timestamp each time noteout sends a message... but is there a way to do
>> that? should i modify the noteout source code?
>>
>> is there maybe another way to send timestamped midi messages from pure
>> data?
>>
>> thanks again!
>>
>>
>> =
>> Panagiotis Melidis
>>
>> http://www.larrygus.com
>> http://facebook.com/larrygus
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>> http://larrygus.tumblr.com
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Panagiotis Melidis > > wrote:
>>
>> hey people!
>>
>> i am working on osx, ver 10.8.2
>>
>> i am sending noteout messages from PD over to Ableton Live via the
>> IAC driver, but after a certain point ableton live ignores the
>> messages, and this has to do with the fact that live itself is
>> getting confused by the timestamps.
>>
>> on the ableton forums people found that the solution is to add the
>> timestamp with the midi message, and some people managed to achieve
>> it for C++ and Python as explained in those two posts;
>>
>> 
>> https://forum.ableton.com/**viewtopic.php?p=1426466#**p1426466
>> 
>> https://forum.ableton.com/**viewtopic.php?p=1347051#**p1347051
>>
>> so, i am struggling to find a way to change the timestamp of a
>> noteout message but i can't do it.
>>
>> any ideas?
>>
>> hope i was clear enough :)
>> =
>> Panagiotis Melidis
>>
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Re: [PD] changing timestamp of noteout midi message

[Martin Peach]

There is no timestamp in the MIDI spec. A noteout message sends three 
bytes: status+channel, number, velocity.



Martin


On 2013-01-15 08:02, Panagiotis Melidis wrote:

as it seems the problem would be solved if i could find a way to add a
timestamp each time noteout sends a message... but is there a way to do
that? should i modify the noteout source code?

is there maybe another way to send timestamped midi messages from pure data?

thanks again!


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On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Panagiotis Melidis mailto:pmeli...@gmail.com>> wrote:

hey people!

i am working on osx, ver 10.8.2

i am sending noteout messages from PD over to Ableton Live via the
IAC driver, but after a certain point ableton live ignores the
messages, and this has to do with the fact that live itself is
getting confused by the timestamps.

on the ableton forums people found that the solution is to add the
timestamp with the midi message, and some people managed to achieve
it for C++ and Python as explained in those two posts;

https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1426466#p1426466
https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1347051#p1347051

so, i am struggling to find a way to change the timestamp of a
noteout message but i can't do it.

any ideas?

hope i was clear enough :)
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Re: [PD] ANN: pd-l2ork first stable release now available

[Ivica Ico Bukvic]

Interesting thought--let me see if we can pull this off for the next K12
release :-)

> -Original Message-
> From: Jonathan Wilkes [mailto:jancs...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 10:59 PM
> To: Ivica Ico Bukvic; pd-list@iem.at
> Subject: Re: [PD] ANN: pd-l2ork first stable release now available
> 
> The k12 stuff looks promising.
> 
> Playing around with it I wondered what would happen if you just did
> everything
> in the signal domain-- even for the values coming from the controllers by,
> say,
> using a [sig~] right before sending to the outlet of the abstraction.  The
only
> thing
> that would bea dilemma is the counter but without objects for conditional
> branching
> I don'tthink you lose that much conceptually.  (And even for the preset
stuff
> you can
> use snapshot~ and [float].)  That would remove an entire domain from the
> learning
> process.
> 
> -Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> > From: Ivica Ico Bukvic 
> > To: pd-list@iem.at; linux-audio-annou...@lists.linuxaudio.org; "An open
> mailing list for a world-wide network of aspiring L2Orkists, L2Ork
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> contributors, and supporters." ; 'p1k53l
> workshop' ; l2...@disis.music.vt.edu
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 6:08 PM
> > Subject: [PD] ANN: pd-l2ork first stable release now available
> >
> > Apologies for x-posting...
> >
> > After 3 months of beta-testing, it is my great pleasure to announce
first
> > stable release of pd-l2ork (v.20130111). Special thanks go to L2Orkists
and
> > external contributors who have helped us make this a rock-solid release.
> > Pd-L2Ork now offers both tarballs and debs for both 32-bit and 64-bit
> > platforms and offers hundreds of bug-fixes, feature improvements, as
well
> as
> > new features, including universal preset system, infinite undo,
gui-based
> > widget editing, and more. Pd-L2Ork comes with latest svn/git versions of
> pd
> > documentation and Gem library, as well as a collection of most 3rd party
> > externals found in pd-extended. Pd-L2Ork also offers seamless
integration
> > into the Ubuntu desktop, including Unity. Currently, pd-l2ork provides
> > support only for Linux platform.
> >
> > For more info:  http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56
> > Pd-l2ork git project page: https://github.com/pd-l2ork
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.
> > Composition, Music Technology
> > Director, DISIS Interactive Sound & Intermedia Studio
> > Director, L2Ork Linux Laptop Orchestra
> > Head, ICAT IMPACT Studio
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Re: [PD] changing timestamp of noteout midi message

[Panagiotis Melidis]

as it seems the problem would be solved if i could find a way to add a
timestamp each time noteout sends a message... but is there a way to do
that? should i modify the noteout source code?

is there maybe another way to send timestamped midi messages from pure data?

thanks again!


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On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Panagiotis Melidis wrote:

> hey people!
>
> i am working on osx, ver 10.8.2
>
> i am sending noteout messages from PD over to Ableton Live via the IAC
> driver, but after a certain point ableton live ignores the messages, and
> this has to do with the fact that live itself is getting confused by the
> timestamps.
>
> on the ableton forums people found that the solution is to add the
> timestamp with the midi message, and some people managed to achieve it for
> C++ and Python as explained in those two posts;
>
> https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1426466#p1426466
> https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1347051#p1347051
>
> so, i am struggling to find a way to change the timestamp of a noteout
> message but i can't do it.
>
> any ideas?
>
> hope i was clear enough :)
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[PD] Pure Data in Kraków?

[João Pais]

Hello list,

I'll be in Kraków for some days in the end of the month. Does anyone know  
of any Pd-related (or electronic/performance-related) activities in the  
area?


Best,

jmmmp

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[PD] changing timestamp of noteout midi message

[Panagiotis Melidis]

hey people!

i am working on osx, ver 10.8.2

i am sending noteout messages from PD over to Ableton Live via the IAC
driver, but after a certain point ableton live ignores the messages, and
this has to do with the fact that live itself is getting confused by the
timestamps.

on the ableton forums people found that the solution is to add the
timestamp with the midi message, and some people managed to achieve it for
C++ and Python as explained in those two posts;

https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1426466#p1426466
https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?p=1347051#p1347051

so, i am struggling to find a way to change the timestamp of a noteout
message but i can't do it.

any ideas?

hope i was clear enough :)
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Re: [PD] the next PdCon in...

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

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On 2013-01-15 08:57, Nicolas Montgermont wrote:
> Hello all,

i guess it's time for me to step in.

> 
> To add my point: in France, students usually start courses between
> the 15th of september and the 1st october. So I guess, the
> beginning of september is better for us.
> 

first of all: cool, great, thank you.
it's great that somebody picked it up again.
also, i quite like the idea of PdCon bouncing between continents.

as for the date: in Austria, courses start at the beginning of october
as well :-(
so i wouldn't mind if the date could be shifted.
i would go as far (even on the danger of being boohed) as to say that
i personally would not mind to see the next PdCon early in 2014
(but that's mainly because my schedule is tight; i would love to see
all of you again asap!)


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ioahnnes
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Re: [PD] ANN: pd-l2ork first stable release now available

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

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On 2013-01-15 04:58, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> The k12 stuff looks promising.
> 
> Playing around with it I wondered what would happen if you just did
> everything in the signal domain-- even for the values coming from
> the controllers by, say, using a [sig~] right before sending to the
> outlet of the abstraction.  The only thing that would bea dilemma
> is the counter but without objects for conditional branching

you might want to check out chun lee's fantastic live coding
performances (and his paper on that [1]).


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IOhannes

[1]
http://www.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/PDCON:Conference/Music_in_expression_-_A_DSP_based_compositional_methodology
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