Re: [PD] installing Pd-extended on Linux (Mint 13) 64bit?
Hi Ivica, I got Pd-l2ork 64 bit Burrito Supreme running. I don't know what I did, though. Thanks, though. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.edu wrote: What are your errors for the pd-l2ork? Did you follow instructions? (e.g. installing tkpng library?) ** ** I ask this since we run and develop this on Ubuntu 12.04 both 32-bit and 64-bit. ** ** *From:* pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] *On Behalf Of *Jared Nielsen *Sent:* Tuesday, August 21, 2012 5:14 PM *To:* pd-list@iem.at *Subject:* [PD] installing Pd-extended on Linux (Mint 13) 64bit? ** ** I'm trying to install Pd-extended on my Linux Mint 13 64bit without luck. I've tried the Slackware build, pd-l2ork, and a handful of other search results, each of which leads into errors that I then can't find solutions for. So, is there a recommended/straightforward route to installing Pd-extended? Thanks. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] installing Pd-extended on Linux (Mint 13) 64bit?
I'm trying to install Pd-extended on my Linux Mint 13 64bit without luck. I've tried the Slackware build, pd-l2ork, and a handful of other search results, each of which leads into errors that I then can't find solutions for. So, is there a recommended/straightforward route to installing Pd-extended? Thanks. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] installing pd-extended on Ubuntu 12.04
Hi all, New to the list. I'm attempting to install Pd-extended on Ubuntu 12.04 without luck. No amount of Googling leads me to a working solution. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] about sexy-ism
applause Amen. God damn, that was well said! You got a PhD or something ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vade Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:27 PM To: Alexandre Castonguay Cc: PD List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] about sexy-ism Its a joke. Get over it. Comedians do it at venues of over a 1000 all the time. Ever hear of George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Eddy Murphy (back when he was funny..), etc etc. Whether or not the PD list is the place for this, well, frankly, I'll agree it isnt, but that was my point about 3.5^10 emails ago - this thread is mind boggingly off topic - but that did not stop discussion over such amazingly interesting topics as the etymology of sexism, constructive comments about street jargon, academia and fun statistics over who applied and got accepted to what. Jesus fucking christ, its a joke about CONSENSUAL SEX USING PD OBJECTS AS A METAPHOR. OH NO. OH DEAR GOD OH MENSTRUATION. OH YUCK BOO HOO. No one notices Hard off also making fun of himself there. Ah, so typically one sided. Look. We are all humans. Some of us have vaginas, others penises. (hell some even have both) Some of us use PD and/or other Dataflow languages. Can we PLEASE GET OVER IT ALREADY? That email was more a comment on the lunacy of the aforementioned thread as well as some of you over intellectualizing every goddamn last minutiae of the topic - rather than an actual genuine heartfelt AFFRONT TO ALL OF WOMANKIND. Perhaps if you took of your lab coat, removed the various PHDs from behind your desk, and any other assorted academic paraphernalia that may be laying about* - including the self righteousness - you might see that last email as an attempt to cut through the bullshit of this topic. Im sorry I have to spell it out for you. *I am well aware that you and others may literally have said items behind your potentially non existing desk, however, I hope you can all grok the metaphor - somehow I feel ill be disappointed yet again... The bottom line is, if PD is going to be used by Artists, prepare to be offended. On Oct 26, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Alexandre Castonguay wrote: I think the post and this attitude has no place on this list. The use of objects is smart but it doesn't excuse the moronic and offensive nature of the post. What makes you think that your freedom of speech should come at the expense of women feeling violated and insulted? I wonder if you would state something like that before a crowd of 1000. I feel disgusted. Alexandre Haha. That made my day. Well done. Yeah, calling him a virgin, real original. On Oct 26, 2007, at 6:39 AM, hard off wrote: i went to the [pool] last week, and met this zexy girl, she was a real GEM - a totally rradical chick. We started to [swap] some glances, and not being one to do anything [unauthorized], i asked her, hey, do you want to [route]? .she said sorry it's that [time] of the month and i said, hey, don't worry, i can part your red sea like [moses] .she gave me a [stripnote], so i pulled down her panties, opened her [spigot], and then after a bit of a [delay] we got [hip~] to [hip~] and had a good ol' fashioned [bang] . after several minutes with our bodies in a tight [wrap~], she asked to [change] positions, so i took out my [vslider] from her [openpanel] and put her on the kitchen [table]. she was ready to [receive] my [pipe] again. so i thrust my [outlet] into her [inlet], stopping occasionally to [switch~] positions, [until] finally she let out a loud [noise~] and i shot my [loadbang]. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list v a d e // www.vade.info abstrakt.vade.info ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list v a d e // www.vade.info abstrakt.vade.info ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] about sexy-ism
I have a couple of female friends who are patchers. They think all of this is funny-a bunch of 'intellectual' men debating over how women feel! Women have been facing discrimination for ever..thank god most of these women have a better sense of humor than most of us here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vade Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:27 PM To: Alexandre Castonguay Cc: PD List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] about sexy-ism Its a joke. Get over it. Comedians do it at venues of over a 1000 all the time. Ever hear of George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Eddy Murphy (back when he was funny..), etc etc. Whether or not the PD list is the place for this, well, frankly, I'll agree it isnt, but that was my point about 3.5^10 emails ago - this thread is mind boggingly off topic - but that did not stop discussion over such amazingly interesting topics as the etymology of sexism, constructive comments about street jargon, academia and fun statistics over who applied and got accepted to what. Jesus fucking christ, its a joke about CONSENSUAL SEX USING PD OBJECTS AS A METAPHOR. OH NO. OH DEAR GOD OH MENSTRUATION. OH YUCK BOO HOO. No one notices Hard off also making fun of himself there. Ah, so typically one sided. Look. We are all humans. Some of us have vaginas, others penises. (hell some even have both) Some of us use PD and/or other Dataflow languages. Can we PLEASE GET OVER IT ALREADY? That email was more a comment on the lunacy of the aforementioned thread as well as some of you over intellectualizing every goddamn last minutiae of the topic - rather than an actual genuine heartfelt AFFRONT TO ALL OF WOMANKIND. Perhaps if you took of your lab coat, removed the various PHDs from behind your desk, and any other assorted academic paraphernalia that may be laying about* - including the self righteousness - you might see that last email as an attempt to cut through the bullshit of this topic. Im sorry I have to spell it out for you. *I am well aware that you and others may literally have said items behind your potentially non existing desk, however, I hope you can all grok the metaphor - somehow I feel ill be disappointed yet again... The bottom line is, if PD is going to be used by Artists, prepare to be offended. On Oct 26, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Alexandre Castonguay wrote: I think the post and this attitude has no place on this list. The use of objects is smart but it doesn't excuse the moronic and offensive nature of the post. What makes you think that your freedom of speech should come at the expense of women feeling violated and insulted? I wonder if you would state something like that before a crowd of 1000. I feel disgusted. Alexandre Haha. That made my day. Well done. Yeah, calling him a virgin, real original. On Oct 26, 2007, at 6:39 AM, hard off wrote: i went to the [pool] last week, and met this zexy girl, she was a real GEM - a totally rradical chick. We started to [swap] some glances, and not being one to do anything [unauthorized], i asked her, hey, do you want to [route]? .she said sorry it's that [time] of the month and i said, hey, don't worry, i can part your red sea like [moses] .she gave me a [stripnote], so i pulled down her panties, opened her [spigot], and then after a bit of a [delay] we got [hip~] to [hip~] and had a good ol' fashioned [bang] . after several minutes with our bodies in a tight [wrap~], she asked to [change] positions, so i took out my [vslider] from her [openpanel] and put her on the kitchen [table]. she was ready to [receive] my [pipe] again. so i thrust my [outlet] into her [inlet], stopping occasionally to [switch~] positions, [until] finally she let out a loud [noise~] and i shot my [loadbang]. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list v a d e // www.vade.info abstrakt.vade.info ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list v a d e // www.vade.info abstrakt.vade.info ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] about pd
As loing as it is not the crap beer we make in America! ;) I agree, America is famous for its piss beerbut there are some really, really tasty brews here too. Some of the best microbrews in the world imo ;-)actually, the microbrew community is quite a fanatic sub-culture Lefthand Brewing Company: http://www.lefthandbrewing.com/ Odell's Brewing Company: http://www.odellbrewing.com/home.php Big Sky Brew: http://www.bigskybrew.com/ TommyKnocker Brewing: http://www.tommyknocker.com/ Blue Moon Brewing Company: http://www.bluemoonbrewingcompany.com/ Flying Dog: http://www.flyingdogales.com/beer-pack.asp And that's only the very tip of the icekeg. I'm so happy this is in town...going tomorrowcan't wait! Over 1600 different brewsgod, I'm gonna have triple vision! http://www.beertown.org/events/gabf/beer_comp.htm ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is BORING
I'm from the statesi've spent a lot of time overseasi find it hilarious that, on several different occasions, I've been in conversations with Europeans who would talk bad about the USthen, after talking shit for an hour, they always end the conversation with, yeah, I'm going to the US in a couple of weeksif its so fucking bad why would you want to visit? I often hear Europeans bitching about how fat and stupid the American culture iswell, every European country I've visited has had a McDonalds, and there is always line of people ready to feed their facesdon't blame the American cultureblame your citizens who keep the American companies in businessdon't get me wrong, the American culture is FULL of ignorancesure, we are idiots.but who is worse: the Idiot, or the guy who follows the idiot? I didn't vote for Bush...neither did half of the American voters...that's over 150 million United States citizens who didn't vote for Bush and his foreign policy (and domestic policies)...so please, don't lump everyone togetherMake love not war! :-) peace -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:43 PM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is BORING wow, only a few pages before the inevitable usa bashing. BORING. last i checked the primary developer of pd was an american, yes? marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mathieu Bouchard wrote: Americans today make ironic references to the Axis of Evil and the war on terror and homeland security all the time. It doesn't mean they buy it, even if the media makes it seem that way. Yeah but why do they still vote for one of the two big parties? why? I think because USamericans are fearful people. they are fearful, because they never learned to talk about their problematic history. genocide and slavery. they just inherit the guilty consciousness unprocessed from generation to generation. therefor they only feel safe, when they are protected by a big brother. they live with the idea of the survival of the fittest (make the rich richer). they never gave black people compensation for their exploitation (nor any other group). as a matter of fact this is not only US history, but western history in general, but european countries experienced worldwar II and I think they changed their way on communal thinking about racism and so on. there was some shift in common notion and also the wish to keep this notion alive. USamericans subconsciously still fear revenge. and even worse, some of them even think it is a good idea to have a small, rich, educated leading elite that controls the big majority of people. they propose a free market, which I see rather as a free slave market, because preconditions are not fair at all for all people. they try to oppress every effort of union building and their voting system is a the winner takes it all. in europe it took green parties more than 20 years to make it into gouvernments. in the US this is not possible, because with anything less than 50% you are nothing. and of course the US has a media that is owned by a handful of people, and an education system including universities that aligns itself more to the needs of companies and corporations than to the values of life. that's why they still vote for one of the two big parties. with the fall of the dollar, the raise of china, some bank crashs, more and more unemployed people, no health care, no social security I think people will start to vote differently within the the next 10-20 years. marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Patrick Pagano Sound and Light Technologist School of Theatre and Dance University of Florida ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is BORING
jared wrote: if its so fucking bad why would you want to visit? Some people have the hope, the true situation would not be so depressing. Hope? Please. The conversations that I was talking about, these people weren't talking about 'hope'...they were flat out trashing the American people and government...and being very angry about it...it was funny because they knew I was American and they seemed to be trying to upset me...they were surprised that, for themost part, I agreed with everything they said...i think some people forget that no one is more angry at the American government than the American peopledid you happen to see or hear about the many marches and protests against Bush after he was elected? I was in Europe after Bush's second election and I didn't see or hear anythingabout the protests of the American people. The media outlets there seemed to be happy with portraying all US citizens as stupid idiotswho were sheep in the Bush flockgod, for the most part, the mediathere is worse than it is here...and that is saying something... .but who is worse: the Idiot, or the guy who follows the idiot? except for romania, there are not so many countries in the world, who follow the US at the moment. Good news there I didn't vote for Bush...neither did half of the American voters...that's over 150 million United States citizens who didn't vote for Bush I am not sure, how you calculate this. because in 2000 50mio people voted for bush. which means 250mio citizens (including children and non-voters) did not. 51mio voters voted actively against bush, 249 mio citizens did not... (only 101mio people actively voted.) for years later (due to his successful policy...), 62mio voted for bush. marius. Okay, my numbers are wrong...but you get my point, don't you? So, say, 51 million people voted AGAINST BUSH in 2000...51 million is nearly the total population of Italy, or France...My point is that51 million is a lot of people to ignorantly lump into the Fat, American Cowboy Bush voter category. peace ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] about pd
a nice stout for mefirst round is on me!!! From: marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] about pd Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:56:39 -0400 which beer? ... marius. Roman Haefeli wrote: hi all it seems, that some discussions are not only off-topic pd-wise, but even off-topic thread-wise (it started with sexism and is now somewhere around the perception of the american people in the world and first nation issues). i don't see, how such discussions could come to an end, that is why i propose, that the next one, who continues this certain thread, pays for a round of beer. roman ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] (OT) 'cinematic' music
Hello all. I have filmmaker friend who is writing an article that deals with the term 'cinematic' in reference to music. He's looking for definitions of cinematic as a description of music, and any other relevant information. I figured there might be a few people here that can point me/us in the right direction. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated! (Websites, books, articles etc) Thanks! :D Jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] VST for audio network
Maybe give these a try: http://www.paulrharvey.co.uk/elevayta/product10.htm. Not sure about the latency though. http://www.ntonyx.com/vac.htm good luck! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of João Miguel Pais Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:39 AM To: PD-List Subject: [PD] VST for audio network Hi, can anyone recomend a good VST plugin to send audio data through a local network, with good audio quality and low latency? Something that could be used with PD/Max-MSP (or basically any program who uses VSTs) in both XP and OSX, for an improvising laptop trio connected through a local network (router, not internet). I was looking at tubePlug - http://t-u-b-e.de/iplug.htm -, but there seems to be a standard 1sec (!) latency, even when opening both server and sender in the same computer. But besides that, this plug-in seems to have potencial. After contacting the author, he seemed interested in adding a variable latency parameter, but who knows when it will be implemented. Thanks, João Miguel Pais -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin Deutschland Tel +49 30 42020091 Mob +49 162 6843570 [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: jmmmpjmmmp http://www.puredata.org/Members/jmmmp IBM Thinkpad R51, XP, Pd-Ext-0.39-2-t5 ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] elitism, software and academia (was GEM FTGL Sadness)
Hello Jamie, While I'm ranting :-)In my academic experience, it's often frowned upon to use other's patches in your own compositions because it seems that the patches themselves are the work of art; and it's almost as if this is considered plagiarism. I don't know what your academic experience is, but there is a lot of evidence to suggest the opposite of what you are saying. Then I attended an institution whose policies are different than the others. I think academia needs to recognize that there are many composers who use computers as a means to an end; I find this patronising, almost offensive. Why so overly sensitive? This wasn't an attack on anyone. It is an opinion, not an accusation. Did you not see the smiley faces? Smile :-) Do you have any examples of academics who don't recognise this? I won't name anyone. One example: I had 'programming' classes where I had to create compositions with Max/MSP and Csound. Instead of using shared patches/orch files we had to build and use extremely basic instruments; rarely anything more than an oscillator, filter and an LFO. So, instead of being encouraged to use shared instruments which would result in having a composition with some 'character', I have a couple semesters' worth of compositions full of bloops, beeps and sirens. No offense to bloops, beeps and siren lovers :-) I just don't find it aesthetically interesting. I would have loved if we had fewer assignments so we could have the time to build our own more interesting sound generators to include in our compositions. Or, we should have been allowed to pick and choose between the plethoras of shared instruments. Another example would be that in my 'non-programming' composition courses, we had to use Logic and its native instruments/samplers to create our pieces. Why not use Max/MSP and Csound for our composition classes? If we were allowed to use 'pre-built' instruments that come with Logic, why can't we use pre-built patches/orch files? Even if you do, you shouldn't make generalisations about an entire community based on a few personal examples. So if someone finds, what they believe to be, something missing from a system, they shouldn't speak about it? That's rather dangerous censorship, I believe. who make music with the AID of computers; not to make music WITH computers. Could you explain the difference? I already have in previous responses to this thread. It's rather self explanatory anyway ;-) There is still a rigid line that separates the composer and the programmer. Where is this rigid line? Do you have any evidence for it? As far as I can tell there exists a continuum like this: composer - composer/programmer - programmer Do you see that slash that you've put between composer and programmer? That's the rigid line. Do you notice how the composer and programmer on opposite sides of the spectrum? That's the rigid line. My (uneducated :-)) guess would be that %99 of the world's musicians don't need to program a single line of code to create a music composition. Most Music curriculums are still classically based. Most Music Technology curriculums are programming based. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but if it were, it might be because there is 'most' demand for classically-based music courses and 'programming-based' music technology courses... Therein lays the rigidity. Who forms this 'demand'? Is this the demand because these are the only two options available? I believe that today's generation of music students would be more interested in grey, not black and white. .as well as music technology courses that contain no programming elements at all Please let me know of such courses. I'm not being facetious...this is the type of program that I am interested in. There are also hybrid 'Sonic Art' courses that bring in elements from the visual arts, music and information technology. I've found that the 'Sonic Arts' courses are heavily rooted in DSP and programming. What about today's composers who are interested in classical compositional techniques and forms, but who are, at heart, electronic music composers and want to apply these classical techniques and forms to their electronic compositions with the AID of technology, yet have no interest in programming? They should use software that doesn't require any programming. I would suggest something like Beast (http://beast.gtk.org) if they are Linux, Bidule (http://www.plogue.com/) if they are on Mac OS, Audiomulch (http://www.audiomulch.com/) if they are on Windows. I'm glad you mentioned those programs...I wonder why aren't they more utilized throughout academia? I would have loved to be able to use Bidule and Audiomulch for my compositions. Take care, Jamie. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -
Re: [PD] Midi controller for use with Pd
I've heard good things about these controllers: http://www.akaipro.com/prodMPD24.php http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?a_prod_no=KPC1category_id=8 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dafydd Hughes Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:37 AM To: David F. Place Cc: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Midi controller for use with Pd Hey David I haven't had any experience myself, but I think I have at least ten friends who love the M-Audio Trigger Finger. It sounds pretty cool. cheers dafydd On 6/8/07, David F. Place [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Pd-ists, Thanks for all the advice about the Edirol UA-25. I got one and it works great! The next thing I need is an input device that will allow me to send timing, velocity and (hopefully) pressure information to my pd patches. I think some of the midi drum controllers would work, but they seem like overkill with all their pre-programmed effects and sounds. Has anyone any experience using a simple device like a trigger pad for a midi drum kit? Maybe something like the Roland PD-8? Cheers, David ___ (---o---o-o-o---o-o-o( David F. Place mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- www.sideshowmedia.ca skype: chickeninthegrass ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] elitism, software and academia (was GEM FTGL Sadness)
Hey Andy. I personally don't believe there is any sort of line that separates composer from programmer, or sound designer, except that at the two extremes of the spectrum some programmers can be obsessive about technical methodology and never explore aesthetics, and some composers can be nonchalent and dismissive about technical rigor and chase aesthetic results at the expense of understanding and repeatability. Well said. Same goes with analogue purists who have not yet embraced the software world. The force of industry is continually to divide programmers from practicioners, to demark roles like creative sound designer from audio programmer and create neat conservative little pidgeonholes for HR people to fit CVs into. Of course this is nonsense. Any good sound designer or musician is greatly enriched by a knowledge of programming, DSP, physics etc, and at the same time any programmer is greatly enabled by understanding the aesthetics and big picture of a product they work on. I completely agree. I think that a balance between technical and aesthetic disciplines would be a god-send. As for elitism I either honestly don't see much or unconsciously choose to rise above it. Yes, as far as forums and lists, 'rising above' is definitely the best policy. My main frustration with elitism (that I've raised in this thread) was rooted in the fact that this elitism has polarized the academic landscape; and that I can't find a curriculum that fits my needs. Higher education is so expensiveI can't justify paying for something that I'm not passionate aboutBut, don't cry for me Argentina :-) The greater danger imho is the opposite problem, a dumbing down of technology to black boxes, proprietry tools, entrenched conservative thinking, not invented here syndrome. This makes any composer/designer/creative a slave to tools and methods they don't understand. It also hurts industries, like film and games, that become entrenched in very conservative production methodologies and softwares like Protools. This saps all the real creativity from the job and acts as an anti-progressive inhibitor of new ideas. Amen! But to attact the kind of people that would go with Max or Reaktor we could do with more people building, sharing and documenting high quality synths and plugins. That's a great point too. I think that the PD community, as a whole, would greatly benefit if 'pure composers' (for a lack of a better term) were using it as much as 'patchers' were using it. By the way, I really love what you're doing with PD. Very useful, indeed. Thanks. What happened to your VST's? I can't seem to find them on your site. Take care, Jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] elitism, software and academia (was GEM FTGL Sadness)
One addition: The elitist attitude may also have something to do with the inverse relationship between spending time programming and spending time socializing. If all one doing in your days is programming a computer, i.e. telling it what to do, one needn't to utilize the more mamallian soft-logic that goes behind social interactions. So one will start to become a bit dull in those areas, and consequently will start to offend people out of being in 'logic mode.' I'm sure Mr. Spock had to deal with this all the time and I sure as hell know that many people in my undergrad math department did! ~Kyle That's a great point! ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Sending data from PD to another program
David, Thanks again for your help with the multiple path voting. Your patches have been extremely useful. I was hoping to pick your brain on one or two things. I did have a question concerning looking ahead. With your patches (node and tree) is there any way to see future the children of nodes? I've very successfully used your patch with gem's ability to display text to have the name of a node displayed in a gem window by passing [r master] to the text display patch. What I'd like to also do is have the text display the voting choices. That is, at node dolphin the patch would display octopus and lobster. Is that information accessible, or am I out of luck? As a side note, is there any way to give nodes names with spaces? I've been using underscores (node_name) which works well but is a little ugly. Thanks again for all your help, -Jared David Powers wrote: Here you go, just use the tree abstraction and create named nodes for every event in your story! Note that the nodes are hard coded to send to master, you'd want another master receiver for your GEM abstraction to select the image which goes with the current node. Oh, and of course replace the PD selector patch, which sends random 0 or 1, with your actual voting mechanism. ~David On 5/6/07, David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I will try to do a quick prototype and email it to you in 15-20 minutes. ~David On 5/6/07, Jared [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, Thanks for the reply. That's basically what I want to do. My concern is that there are around 80 nodes which have to be displayed in specific if-then sequences (if it's at node 12 and the vote is A, go to node 33, if the vote is B go to node 37). My understanding of PD means this isn't *impossible*, it'll just be a bit clunky. If you have any suggestions to the contrary, I'd love to hear 'em. Thanks again! -Jared David Powers wrote: Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but what is it you want to display in gem exactly? If, say, you had an image for every possible node of the story, this would be trivial to implement. You just give each possible story node a name, and send the name as a message. Then some abstraction you build in PD/Gem takes the name as input, and outputs the appropriate image. ~David On 5/5/07, Jared [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have very approximate version of the voting working in PD but am unsure how to do the visual output. What I'd like to do is have PD send the vote information (that is, who won) to another program, either something I'll write or PowerPoint or the like, to run the display. I know PD can do visual output through Gem, but in exploring Gem I couldn't figure out an easy way to have the branching paths work, whereas branching paths in PowerPoint or in a homemade program could be relatively easy. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] OT - Pd on Leno
Congrats man! Very cool. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dafydd Hughes Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:14 PM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: [PD] OT - Pd on Leno Hi folks If you've got nothing better to do this evening, the band I'm touring with is playing on the Tonight Show, and I'm using Pd for about 8 bars of a mellotron flute sample. Not nearly as impressive as Bjork's rig, but what the hey, it's Pd in the pop world:) cheers dafydd -- www.sideshowmedia.ca skype: chickeninthegrass ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Sending data from PD to another program
I'm continuing to work on my Choose Your Own Adventure piece. In this, story paths will be chosen by the audience, who vote using instruments with two notes (xylophones). PD will analyze the audio input and figure out if more people voted for path 1 or 2, depending on which frequency is louder. I'm planning to display the vote choices so the audience can see them and, following the vote, which choice won. It might look something like this: (before the vote) CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE Should they... Go into the house? Go around back? (the audience votes) (PD finds note 1 was louder than 2) (after the vote) CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE They decide to go into the house! I have very approximate version of the voting working in PD but am unsure how to do the visual output. What I'd like to do is have PD send the vote information (that is, who won) to another program, either something I'll write or PowerPoint or the like, to run the display. I know PD can do visual output through Gem, but in exploring Gem I couldn't figure out an easy way to have the branching paths work, whereas branching paths in PowerPoint or in a homemade program could be relatively easy. Likewise, through searching the email archive, most of the information I could find on communication between PD and other programs was on sending data *to* PD, rather than *from* PD. If there's a thread in the archive or a manual/guide explaning what I'm looking for, I'd be happy to read through it if someone points me in the right direction. I've attached the current file I'm working on, which contains a more in-depth explanation of what I'm doing and what I'd like to do. This list has been extremely helpful so far and I'd love any further input and advice. Thanks again for all your time, -Jared #N canvas 0 0 1028 689 12; #X obj 161 25 adc~; #X floatatom 87 127 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 15 58 env~; #X obj 18 133 vu 15 120 empty empty -1 -8 0 8 -66577 -1 1 0; #X obj 12 96 - 100; #N canvas 426 294 474 324 peakfreq 0; #X obj 62 45 inlet~; #X obj 66 231 outlet; #X obj 65 138 route 0; #X obj 67 182 unpack 0 0 0 0; #X obj 68 83 sigmund~ -hop 4096 -minpower 60 -npeak 3 peaks; #X connect 0 0 4 0; #X connect 2 0 3 0; #X connect 3 0 1 0; #X connect 4 0 2 0; #X restore 78 89 pd peakfreq; #X text 32 265 Amplitude; #X floatatom 446 287 0 0 0 0 - - -; #X text 88 152 Max Frequency; #X floatatom 323 278 0 0 0 0 - - -; #X msg 384 128 20; #X msg 482 133 20; #X msg 231 278 0; #X obj 230 58 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1; #N canvas 84 329 716 314 voting 0; #X obj 42 41 inlet~; #X obj 183 39 inlet; #X obj 255 44 inlet; #X obj 331 45 inlet; #X obj 403 50 inlet; #N canvas 479 155 502 352 ampfilter 0; #X obj 35 28 inlet~; #X obj 96 96 bp~ 0 0; #X obj 119 27 inlet; #X obj 203 26 inlet; #X obj 105 158 env~; #X obj 111 211 outlet; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X connect 1 0 4 0; #X connect 2 0 1 1; #X connect 3 0 1 2; #X connect 4 0 5 0; #X restore 59 186 pd ampfilter; #X floatatom 174 105 0 0 0 3 - - -; #X floatatom 223 110 0 0 0 0 - - -; #N canvas 479 155 470 320 ampfilter 0; #X obj 35 28 inlet~; #X obj 96 96 bp~ 0 0; #X obj 119 27 inlet; #X obj 203 26 inlet; #X obj 105 158 env~; #X obj 111 211 outlet; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X connect 1 0 4 0; #X connect 2 0 1 1; #X connect 3 0 1 2; #X connect 4 0 5 0; #X restore 228 199 pd ampfilter; #X floatatom 276 120 0 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 325 124 0 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 118 242 outlet; #X obj 224 245 outlet; #X connect 0 0 5 0; #X connect 0 0 8 0; #X connect 1 0 6 0; #X connect 2 0 7 0; #X connect 3 0 9 0; #X connect 4 0 10 0; #X connect 5 0 11 0; #X connect 6 0 5 1; #X connect 7 0 5 2; #X connect 8 0 12 0; #X connect 9 0 8 1; #X connect 10 0 8 2; #X restore 343 206 pd voting; #X floatatom 334 163 0 0 0 3 - - -; #X floatatom 383 169 0 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 430 174 0 0 0 0 - - -; #X floatatom 479 174 0 0 0 0 - - -; #N canvas 171 189 704 316 timer 0; #X obj 197 38 inlet; #X obj 301 37 inlet; #X obj 23 194 spigot; #X obj 114 200 spigot; #X obj 23 34 inlet; #X obj 49 102 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0 1; #X obj 104 65 del 6000; #X obj 26 247 outlet; #X obj 115 250 outlet; #X connect 0 0 2 0; #X connect 1 0 3 0; #X connect 2 0 7 0; #X connect 3 0 8 0; #X connect 4 0 6 0; #X connect 4 0 5 0; #X connect 5 0 2 1; #X connect 5 0 3 1; #X connect 6 0 5 0; #X restore 342 245 pd timer; #N canvas 443 56 470 330 math 0; #X obj 93 51 inlet; #X obj 78 105 / 100; #X obj 75 172 +; #X floatatom 65 217 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 59 261 outlet; #X obj 185 51 inlet; #X msg 186 104 0; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X connect 1 0 2 0; #X connect 2 0 3 0; #X connect 3 0 2 1; #X connect 3 0 4 0; #X connect 5 0 6 0; #X connect 6 0 3 0; #X restore 242 343 pd math; #X floatatom 241 388 5 0 0 0 - - -; #N canvas 443 62 462 312 math 0; #X obj 93 51 inlet; #X obj 78 105 / 100; #X obj 75 172 +; #X floatatom 65 217 5 0 0 0 - - -; #X obj 59 261 outlet; #X obj 185 51 inlet; #X msg 184 104 0; #X connect 0 0
[PD] Use of toggle?
I'm using PD to do sound filtering and analysis would like to have the live audio passed along only at certain points. That is, the output from adc~ will sometimes continue on to other patches and sometimes I want it to stop. I was hoping to use toggle, but misunderstood how it works as it seems to become toggled for *any* input, not just bangs. I was hoping it would stay untoggled, and not allow the input to be sent through the output. What I would like is to be able to have a toggle (or other patch) that, when on, allows the input stream to continue through and, when off, does not pass anything through its output. I feel like this should be a simple task, but I've been struggling and I'm still not sure how to do it. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks! -Jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Use of toggle?
Thanks for the replies. I think that I wasn't clear enough, however. I'm trying to have sound information displayed as follows (specifically the filtered amplitude, but lets pretend it's just the amplitude) [adc~] | [env~] | [(number)] What i'd like to do is something along the lines of [adc~] | [env~] | [toggle] | [(number)] So that the env~ information is only passed along when the toggle is checked, and if the user unchecks it the env~ info is *not* passed. I'm beginning to think toggle is the wrong tool for this job, and would appreciate any other suggestions. Likewise, I'd be happy to go into more detail if this is still not clear. Thanks again for all your help, -Jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Use of toggle?
Thanks a ton! That worked beautifully. -Jared [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have you looked at [spigot] ? that sounds (to me) like it might be what you want. best, p ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Analysis on a wav file?
First, thanks for everyone who has helped me out so far - my project (rather general voting based on xylophone notes) is going very well and I have it processing in real-time which note has been hit. I'd like, however, to have PD record something like 5 seconds of audio and then analyze *that* for the max frequency. I envision the operator initiating a bang, PD automatically recording about 5 seconds of audio, (either to a file or to it's own array; I don't need to keep the recorded audio after it's analyzed), and filtering out a couple frequencies I'm interested in (using [bp~]?), and letting me know which frequency was louder. That is, the initial inlet would be a bang, and the final outlet would be a number (giving 1 or 2, for example) which I'm doing right now using [expr]. So I guess I have two separate questions. First, how can I get PD to record a set amount of audio, either to a file or to an array (if anyone can let me know which would be preferable and why I'd love to hear your advice). Second, how to perform analysis on a wav file or a stored array. I'm unsure how to do this and would appreciate any help. I've figure out, using [del] how to send delayed bangs but have been confused trying to work my way through [readsf~] [writesf~] and [soundfiller], which seemed like my best bets. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! -Jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Time-based audio recording and analysis
I'm interested in having a PD function which, when activated, records audio for a set amount of time (probably about 5 seconds), performs an analysis on that recorded audio, and then outputs the result. I'm specifically doing frequency analysis but can't imagine that would matter. Any suggestions on how to allow something to run for a specific amount of time would be appreciated. I've searched the list archives, and will continue to do so, but most of the time-based stuff I'm seeing is how to keep track of time rather than do something for a set length of time. Thanks for your help! -Jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [not really OT] a contemporary sensibility?
Damn man, that's really fricken cool! Keep it up. You said it started as a joke...isn't it amazing how inspiring the sense of humor can be? Especially when it comes at the expense of yourselffantastic! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin McCoy Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:04 AM To: PD-list@iem.at Subject: [PD] [not really OT] a contemporary sensibility? Maybe a little break from technical discussions into aesthetics and context :) http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy/comparison.jpg From left to right: Situationist International, The Naked City Expanded view of a multiple GOP patch Julie Mehretu, Untitled I originally put this together as a half-joke, but I would love to hear your thoughts! Are there any articles/literature on this sort of thing? I know that there was a show recently I heard of called Swarm which included works from Mehretu, Matthew Ritchie, and Casey Reas. I have occasionally joked about drawing in Pd, maybe it's time to get serious. I hear people even have Lisp poetry slams these days.. Enjoy, Kevin -- http://pocketkm.blogspot.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Sigmund and Sort (Was Real-time frequency filtering and analysis)
robbert van hulzen wrote: a dotted line indicates that the object can't be created, i think it gets the status of a comment. you also see it in the pd window: sigmund~ ... couldn't create. [sort] is part of zexy, works for me also in 0.39.2-ext-test7. do other zexy objects get created? [sigmund~]--which looks really interesting!--works only on 0.40.2 for me-- it's in miller's 0.40.2 and in the autobuild of 18 march i'm trying out. the help-file says 'updated for 0.40' though, so i don't know its history. btw the autobuild comes with the warning stuff may not work--in my case, [moog~] for example won't be created. cheers, robbert Appologies for my lack of experience, but where would I get zexy? Or check to see if I have it? Likewise, for 0.40.2, where would I get that? From http://puredata.info/downloads or elsewhere? Thanks again, and sorry if these are questions with obvious answers. -Jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Sigmund and Sort (Was Real-time frequency filtering and analysis)
Jaime Oliver wrote: you could also check sigmund~ it will give you a list of frequencies and amplitudes in order of amplitude. J I think this is a result of my lack of experience with PD, but when I create an object and put sigmund~ in it the border stays dotted. The same thing was happening when I tried to use sort (which I thought was built-in, although I could be wrong). Am I doing something wrong, or do I need to install extra patches/libraries? I'm using 0.39-2, the default install on Ubuntu. Thanks again for everyone's help! -Jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD Workshop files
Okay. You've successfully scared me away. I don't feel the need to justify myself or my confusion. Someone obviously realizes that they are being rude if they feel the need to say 'I hope I do not sound too rude'. Leaving the computer screen every once in a while is a good thing. It helps you communicate better with humans. My apologies to those on the list for any inconveniences that I might have caused with continuing this thread in the main list instead of the off topic list. Good luck. -Original Message- From: IOhannes m zmoelnig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:19 AM To: jared Cc: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] PD Workshop files jared wrote: Seems like it worked and you already have the files. Have a look in your current working directory. Okay, I checked my working directory. The only thing it seems to bedownloading is the index page...not files within--in my working directory, I only have an explorer link to the index page whoa! your problem is _exactly_ described in the wget faq, of which i posted a link several days ago. please see http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/faq.html#3.0 (to be honest, i anticipated this problem; that is why i directed you to the faq) furthermore, if you do have problems with any software that is unrelated to pd (e.g. proper inline quotes in emails) and you really want to ask people here, then i suggest to use pd-ot, a mailing list dedicated to off topic stuff. (and yes, you should have been informed that such list exists, either via the mail response when subscribing to pd-list or via the webinterface where you did subscribe) that said, i hope i do not sound too rude and wish you good luck (sic!). mfg.ar IOhannes Please could you post the exact command line given and we can see any possible errors. See attached tif file. Thanks guys! jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD Workshop files
Yeah, I've tried those and several others. Thanks anyway. jared -Original Message- From: IOhannes m zmoelnig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 4:02 PM To: jared Cc: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] PD Workshop files jared wrote: Hello all, I'm using wget to try and download the tutorial files here: http://pure-data.cvs.sourceforge.net/pure-data/doc/tutorials/ Does anyone know what I have to type into the command line to download successfully? have you tried wget -r http://pure-data.cvs.sourceforge.net/pure-data/doc/tutorials/; and wget --help or wget /h (i don't know, i am not on windows) mfg,.adr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD Workshop files
and i forgot 2 links: http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/faq.html and the all-wise trash heap: http://www.google.com/search?q=wget+directory I've checked the faq. No luck. btw, i really recommend that you bookmark a link to http://www.google.com/ as it is certainly a valuable resource of information in the internet. Yeah, I've heard of a little company called googleit's my default homepage ;-) Thanks anyway IOhannes. Best, Jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] spigot~
..which i just did, and posted it to another one of jared's trilogy of threads Hi jared, I'm guessing hard off was referring to your changing the subject line of your emails, which for those of us using threading mail clients throws off the conversation (i.e. their tracking and organizing of related emails into threads). I very much doubt he was criticizing your number of posts in general, which is quite welcome. Hey Luke, thanks for that. I suppose I just prefer your explanation than hard off's. Sorry for causing any confusion with the mailclients. Best, Jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] spigot~
No worries. Sorry for jumping the gun. Best, Jared -Original Message- From: hard off [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:39 PM To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: jared; carmen Subject: Re: [PD] spigot~ yes. sorry for causing offense. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD Workshop files
Hello all, I'm using wget to try and download the tutorial files here: http://pure-data.cvs.sourceforge.net/pure-data/doc/tutorials/ Does anyone know what I have to type into the command line to download successfully? Thanks all! jared -Original Message- From: David Powers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 4:07 PM To: jared Cc: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] PD Workshop files Hi, wget is a Linux/Unix command line program, for downloading files. You can get a Windows binary version here: http://users.ugent.be/~bpuype/wget/ Rename the file to wget.exe and put it in the directory C:/WINDOWS To test if its installed, open a command prompt and type: wget -h | more Then to retrieve the files after you install, use the cd command to change directories to the place where you want to download the files. Then type the command that Frank listed into a command line prompt (or try the command below**): wget --mirror --no-parent https://www.cs.tcd.ie/~wardn1/PD_workshop/ **Try this command, Frank's version was giving me a certificate error. The following should work instead (all on one line): wget --mirror --no-parent --no-check-certificate https://www.cs.tcd.ie/~wardn1/PD_workshop/ *** From the webpage documentation *** Usage wget is a command line program. You start it from the command prompt, either command.com in Windows 9x/Me or cmd.exe in Windows 2000/XP. The command prompt can be found in the Start Menu (Accessories). wget.exe must be placed in your path (e.g. c:\windows) *** Hope this helps! ~David On 2/22/07, jared [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for this. Unfortunately I have no idea what to do with it, as I have no knowledge of HTML or coding--unless it has patch cables ;-) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD Workshop files
Thanks, everyone, for the answers! Especially David for taking the time to explain wget. I successfully retrieved the workshop files. Much appreciated! jared -Original Message- From: David Powers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 4:07 PM To: jared Cc: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] PD Workshop files Hi, wget is a Linux/Unix command line program, for downloading files. You can get a Windows binary version here: http://users.ugent.be/~bpuype/wget/ Rename the file to wget.exe and put it in the directory C:/WINDOWS To test if its installed, open a command prompt and type: wget -h | more Then to retrieve the files after you install, use the cd command to change directories to the place where you want to download the files. Then type the command that Frank listed into a command line prompt (or try the command below**): wget --mirror --no-parent https://www.cs.tcd.ie/~wardn1/PD_workshop/ **Try this command, Frank's version was giving me a certificate error. The following should work instead (all on one line): wget --mirror --no-parent --no-check-certificate https://www.cs.tcd.ie/~wardn1/PD_workshop/ *** From the webpage documentation *** Usage wget is a command line program. You start it from the command prompt, either command.com in Windows 9x/Me or cmd.exe in Windows 2000/XP. The command prompt can be found in the Start Menu (Accessories). wget.exe must be placed in your path (e.g. c:\windows) *** Hope this helps! ~David On 2/22/07, jared [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for this. Unfortunately I have no idea what to do with it, as I have no knowledge of HTML or coding--unless it has patch cables ;-) ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] a couple of questions
It's the external file for darwin - ie. mac os x. I take it your on a windows system, so you have little use for it. Instead you need something like a file called fluid~.dll I can't seem to find a .dll file for fluid~. I've checked http://pure-data.cvs.sourceforge.net/pure-data/externals/footils/fluid/ but can only seem to find fluid.pd and fluid~help.pd. Where else might I look? Thanks much, jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD Workshop files
Hi, None of those files are actually mine. All credit must go to Derek Holzer and Sara Kolzer for putting the collection together. I got them on a cd at a workshop given by them a couple of years ago and popped them up there for some students. Regards Nick Well, thanks Derek and Sara! And Nick for popping them up there! jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] a couple of questions
I can't seem to find a .dll file for fluid~. I've checked http:// pure-data.cvs.sourceforge.net/pure-data/externals/footils/fluid/ but can only seem to find fluid.pd and fluid~help.pd. Where else might I look? In Pd-extended 0.39.2 test 7 build for windows. See: http://at.or.at/ hans/pd/installers.html thanks. I can't seem to find a .dll file for fluid~. I've checked http://pure-data.cvs.sourceforge.net/pure-data/externals/footils/fluid there are (hopefully) no binaries at this site, as it is a place to organize source-code. Good to know. Thanks. jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] spigot~
Hey all. I just downloaded a patch from this archive: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2005-08/030467.html I visited ydegoyon's site. I need spigot~ to run the patch. No chance that spigot~ has been ported for Windows? Thanks much, Jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] update to pecycle and spigot~
Hey guys, forgot to tell you that I'm using Pd version 0.39.2-extended-test7-windows XP Thanks. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] spigot~
if you need it, maybe try pd-extended. the SConscript also builds it h, I'm running 0.39.2-extended-test7 on XP and I can't find itnot sure what SConscript isthanks for your help though! jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] spigot~
...which i just did, and posted it to another one of jared's trilogy of threads ahem, excuse me. I'm new here. Sorry if I have questions...wait, I'm not sorry. Were you born with an innate knowledge of PD? Do you notremember what it was like to be a beginner? Jz. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD Workshop files
I downloaded the whole directory structure with wget ! Sorry, but what is wget? Where did you get it? Very nice workshop material - who made this ? Nicholas Ward Job Title:Part-time Lecturer (MScMM) Qualifications: M.A. Music Technology, M.Sc. Multimedia Systems e-mail: Nicholas dot Ward at cs.tcd.ie https://www.cs.tcd.ie/Nicholas.Ward/ Thanks Georg! Jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] a couple of questions
Thanks for the help guys! Makes sense now. Best, Jared -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of IOhannes m zmoelnig Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:03 AM To: PD-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] a couple of questions Steffen wrote: On 22/02/2007, at 7.02, jared wrote: If you put it in 5.reference folder you can get to it from the help browser. If you put it in the extra folder (that is next to the external file) you can open it by right-clicking an [fluid~] object and choose 'help'. So puting it in both places would maybe give the best enduser experience. i would definitely NOT recommend putting the file in 2 places. this will lead to inconsistencies over time and you will never know what is going on. and nobody will be able to help you ;-( btw, 'help''-clicking on [object] will open the help-patch in the reference-folder too, so this is not the reason why you should put it into ./extra as for the help-browser not being able to browse extra/: this is imo a bug in the help-browser and should be fixed there. please send petitions to the upstream authors to fix it. mfg.adsr IOhannes PS: i accidentally deleted this in my first answer: please always start new threads if you start new threads. the mailing list's name is simple enough and you can always put it into your addressbook if you don't care remembering it. more information can be found at http://puredata.info/community/lists/netiquette#threads mfg.asdr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD Workshop files
This is possible a bit easier with this: $ wget --mirror --no-parent https://www.cs.tcd.ie/~wardn1/PD_workshop/ You may want to delete some index-files afterwards. Thanks for this. Unfortunately I have no idea what to do with it, as I have no knowledge of HTML or coding--unless it has patch cables ;-) There has to be a zip containing these files floating around out there somewhere :-) Thanks, Jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?
This looks sweet, thanks Frank! Hoping to have a play with this as soon as I get to do some actual music making later this week Hey guys, sorry I arrived a little late to the thread Frank, did you post an example of the FFT patch that you explained? If so, would you mind posting it again? :-) Thanks, Jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate?
Great, thanks. I wasn't sure if it was just a quick patch that he posted via the list. -Original Message- From: IOhannes m zmoelnig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:38 PM To: jared Cc: 'David Powers'; pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] is this a spectral gate? jared wrote: Hey guys, sorry I arrived a little late to the thread Frank, did you post an example of the FFT patch that you explained? If so, would you mind posting it again? J all postings are archived at http://lists.puredata.info there you can search what people have said in the past years as well as getting all the attachments. fmga.sdr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] PD Workshop files
Hello all, I'm in the middle of downloading the PD Workshop files from: https://www.cs.tcd.ie/~wardn1/PD_workshop/ Is there, by chance, a zip file floating around that has all of the contents of this workshop? I'm 30 minutes into downloading them manually and I've only finished the 'control' section! Thanks much, Jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] a couple of questions
Hello all, I've just downloaded fluid~pd_darwin .rar file. It contains two files: fluid~help.pd and fluid~.pd_darwin. What kind of file is the .pd Darwin? Where should I put it? What about the fluid help file? Do I put it here?-- pd\doc\5.reference I'm not sure where to put the help files because there is the reference folder but there are also many help files in the extra folder as well. What is the difference? Thanks once again! Jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] newbie growing pains...
Hello list. I'm having problems getting PD running comfortably. The easiest way, in my opinion, for someone trying to learn PD is to open existing patches that are similar, or use the same objects, as the patch they are trying to build. I've been quite frustrated because it seems that most of the patches that I open won't work on my system. This is obviously my fault. I probably don't have files/patches/externals in their right places. I think the biggest obstacle, for beginners, is getting PD setup correctly and to get everything running smoothly. I mean, the main installation of PD isn't the problemit's when you start to dig in to other patches and externals outside of the initial installationanyway, I'm ramblingI just think that PD's momentum as a growing community might be a little stronger if these basic things were ironed outokay, off of my soap box! Can someone give me some help with the following errors?: When opening 'filter_example' from vasp 'error: inlet: expected but got 'float' When opening 'cconj' from vasp vasp.spit 2 .. couldn't create vasp.* -1 .. couldn't create vasp.gather .. couldn't create vasp .. couldn't create When opening 'vasp.even' vasp.frames? .. couldn't create When opening 'wavedisplay-select' asp.frames 20 .. couldn't create vasp.offset 0 .. couldn't create vasp.max? .. couldn't create vasp.min? .. couldn't create error: inlet: expected '' but got 'float' When opening 'aks' synth patch makesymbol %s-r%s .. couldn't create makesymbol pd-%s-receive .. couldn't create makesymbol %s-%s .. couldn't create makesymbol %s-r%s .. couldn't create avg~ .. couldn't create error: inlet: expected '' but got 'float' error: inlet: expected '' but got 'float' error: inlet: expected '' but got 'float' When opening martin brinkman's 'newcoolish1' couldn't create ~ 0 .. couldn't create vcf_lp2~ .. couldn't create error: inlet: expected '' but got 'float' PD crashed when loading martin brinkman's 'groovebox1' 'fmfm1' and 'grainstates1' Endless errors: 'error: inlet: expected '' but got 'bang' messages when opening structseq Thanks so much for the help!! jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] newbie growing pains...
No offense, but IMO a beginner should first get comfortable with the builtin objects. Setting up plain Pd should be easy. No offense taken. You're definitely right, especially if we're talking about someone who doesn't have any patching experience with PD/Max. Personally though, I've spent the last year with Max/MSP on a master's course, so I'm not a complete beginner. I was under the assumption that PD and Max were very similar programs. There are obvious similarities, but the more time I spend with PD the more they feel like different beasts. I will definitely go back and start from square one with PD. Thanks so much for the advice, Frank. Much appreciated! Best, Jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
RE: [PD] slicing samples
Thanks everyone for such quick and helpful responses! Much appreciated, Jared -Original Message- From: Max Neupert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:35 PM To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: jared Subject: Re: [PD] slicing samples copy the code from the archive and paste it in your favorite text editor. save it as a .pd file and open it in Pure Data. one more thing: to start a new thread on the list don't just reply to a random message but rather make a new message to pd-list@iem.at that's appreciated. thanks. m. Am 13.02.2007 um 18:58 schrieb jared: First off, thanks everyone for these great suggestions! Here's a simple slicer/slice player that uses the powerful Aubio externals for beat/transient detection: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2006-10/043536.html I downloaded this one but I'm not sure how to open it. Is it a PD file? I'm on Windows XP. A slicer that just slices using [bonk~] was posted recently: Http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-02/046809.html http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-02/046855.html I followed the link but I can't seem to find anywhere to download. Actually (really stupid question alert) how do I download from the archives? It seems when I click download on any of the files, it just brings up a page with code. Any help? Thanks so much, Jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] installing linux
Hello list, I want to install linux on an old laptop. What distro do you guys use? Which distro is most stable for PD work? Are some distros more suited for audio apps? At the moment, I don't know the specs for the laptop.are there recommended minimum system specs to successfully operate linux running PD? Thanks all, Jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] slicing samples
Hello all, First post! Glad to be here. I'm in the middle of installing all of the PD goodies. I'll have some questions concerning installations and such...please bare with me! :-) First off, I'm really interested in 'slicing' up samples with PD (beat/transient detection) and rearranging them Is there an object or abstraction that I should be using to achieve this? Does anyone have any patches that they'd like to share relating to this? Thanks! Jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
RE: [PD] slicing samples
Damn Spencer, thanks for pointing this one out! Very cool! Jared -Original Message- From: Spencer Russell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 4:11 AM To: jared Cc: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] slicing samples On 2/12/07, jared [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, I'm really interested in 'slicing' up samples with PD (beat/transient detection) and rearranging them Is there an object or abstraction that I should be using to achieve this? Does anyone have any patches that they'd like to share relating to this? Thanks! Jared Hi Jared! It's not PD, but there's a tool being worked on by some of the computer music and electrical engineering folks at Columbia University that you might want to check out. It's called MEAPsoft (http://labrosa.ee.columbia.edu/meapsoft/). It takes an input wave file and slices it up into events, then gives you lots of options for extracting info about them and re-arranging them. It also stores all it's data in text files, so you can process them in whatever language you want (PD, perl, whatever). enjoy your PD-ing! -spencer ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
RE: [PD] Midi sequencing
Not sure if anyone is interested...thought I'd post it just in case A standalone midi sequencer linux/windows http://filter24.org/seq24/ jared -Original Message- From: jared [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:01 AM To: 'Cesare Marilungo'; 'Chris McCormick' Cc: 'pd-list@iem.at' Subject: RE: [PD] Midi sequencing I forgot to add, Bidule can act as a vst host or slaveit also runs in standalone. Another suggestion would be eXT. It doesn't speak OSC, but it takes an extremely flexible and modular approach to audio/midi sequencing. At 39 euro, it is an amazing deal. Version 2 will be out soon so I'd suggest buying it now before the price is raised for the new version. Oh yeah, version two will be running on Linux as well!! Like Bidule, eXT can act as a vst host or slave, or can be operated in standalone mode. Version two is being released in 3 separate beta stages. It has a very warm and helpful community as well. Version 1: http://www.xt-hq.com/ Version 2: http://www.energy-xt.com/ Jared Dunne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cesare Marilungo Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:10 AM To: Chris McCormick Cc: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Midi sequencing Chris McCormick wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 12:05:40AM +, Cesare Marilungo wrote: I think it would be interesting to have some sort of OSC sequencer. I would love to compose with the same control over each note (or any other kind of event) you can have with csound scores but that can be edited visually. I love to use pure data to build instruments and effect, but at some point I want to expose all the parameters of my patch to OSC and use such kind of tool (some kind of OSC sequencer) to concentrate on composition/performance, mostly drawing and editing envelopes and maybe also triggering them in a generative fashion. Hi Cesare, It's definately possible to draw and edit envelopes and trigger them in a generative fashion using the datastructures feature of Puredata. You might like to check out Hans' work solitude and also there are various GOP abstractions floating around which allow you to make/edit envelopes with a mouse and save those envelopes' states between sessions in various ways. Yes. I knew about that and I've already experimented a bit with pd data structures and their graphical representation. But I was thinking about a more generic tool. Something to drive multiple sound generating softwares in the same session. The approach of using pd for everything is worth when you plan to release a piece as a patch. But I'd like to have a dedicated application with a more flexible gui to compose and control performances. Ciao, c. Best, Chris. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mccormick.cx -- http://www.cesaremarilungo.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
RE: [PD] Midi sequencing
I would recommend Bidule by Plogue. I love this program. Brilliant for live use as well. It has a basic midi sequencer that, from the sounds of it, might be sufficient for what the expressed need here. The next version will have more advanced sequencing capabilities. Most importantly it speaks OSC. It comes in at an extremely reasonable $75. The FFT processing tools are worth that price alone, imho. I highly recommend it. http://www.plogue.com/ Jared Dunne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cesare Marilungo Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:10 AM To: Chris McCormick Cc: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Midi sequencing Chris McCormick wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 12:05:40AM +, Cesare Marilungo wrote: I think it would be interesting to have some sort of OSC sequencer. I would love to compose with the same control over each note (or any other kind of event) you can have with csound scores but that can be edited visually. I love to use pure data to build instruments and effect, but at some point I want to expose all the parameters of my patch to OSC and use such kind of tool (some kind of OSC sequencer) to concentrate on composition/performance, mostly drawing and editing envelopes and maybe also triggering them in a generative fashion. Hi Cesare, It's definately possible to draw and edit envelopes and trigger them in a generative fashion using the datastructures feature of Puredata. You might like to check out Hans' work solitude and also there are various GOP abstractions floating around which allow you to make/edit envelopes with a mouse and save those envelopes' states between sessions in various ways. Yes. I knew about that and I've already experimented a bit with pd data structures and their graphical representation. But I was thinking about a more generic tool. Something to drive multiple sound generating softwares in the same session. The approach of using pd for everything is worth when you plan to release a piece as a patch. But I'd like to have a dedicated application with a more flexible gui to compose and control performances. Ciao, c. Best, Chris. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mccormick.cx -- http://www.cesaremarilungo.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
RE: [PD] Midi sequencing
I forgot to add, Bidule can act as a vst host or slaveit also runs in standalone. Another suggestion would be eXT. It doesn't speak OSC, but it takes an extremely flexible and modular approach to audio/midi sequencing. At 39 euro, it is an amazing deal. Version 2 will be out soon so I'd suggest buying it now before the price is raised for the new version. Oh yeah, version two will be running on Linux as well!! Like Bidule, eXT can act as a vst host or slave, or can be operated in standalone mode. Version two is being released in 3 separate beta stages. It has a very warm and helpful community as well. Version 1: http://www.xt-hq.com/ Version 2: http://www.energy-xt.com/ Jared Dunne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cesare Marilungo Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:10 AM To: Chris McCormick Cc: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Midi sequencing Chris McCormick wrote: On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 12:05:40AM +, Cesare Marilungo wrote: I think it would be interesting to have some sort of OSC sequencer. I would love to compose with the same control over each note (or any other kind of event) you can have with csound scores but that can be edited visually. I love to use pure data to build instruments and effect, but at some point I want to expose all the parameters of my patch to OSC and use such kind of tool (some kind of OSC sequencer) to concentrate on composition/performance, mostly drawing and editing envelopes and maybe also triggering them in a generative fashion. Hi Cesare, It's definately possible to draw and edit envelopes and trigger them in a generative fashion using the datastructures feature of Puredata. You might like to check out Hans' work solitude and also there are various GOP abstractions floating around which allow you to make/edit envelopes with a mouse and save those envelopes' states between sessions in various ways. Yes. I knew about that and I've already experimented a bit with pd data structures and their graphical representation. But I was thinking about a more generic tool. Something to drive multiple sound generating softwares in the same session. The approach of using pd for everything is worth when you plan to release a piece as a patch. But I'd like to have a dedicated application with a more flexible gui to compose and control performances. Ciao, c. Best, Chris. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mccormick.cx -- http://www.cesaremarilungo.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
