Re: [PD] Place pdp render windows in concrete positions
I wrote: One more question: who is administrating now pdp to send/ask for modifications of pdp?, pdp seems stopped here: http://zwizwa.be/pd/pdp/ Anyone knows this? Bye www.myspace.com/vjgarff From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; pd-list@iem.at Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 11:29:58 +0200 Subject: Re: [PD] Place pdp render windows in concrete positions acracia wrote: in the pdp_xv or pdp_glx windows you can use the postdim message example patch attached Thanks!, i didn't know those options for pdp_xv. Anyway, It doesn't have the option of removing the frame of the pdp windows. One more question: who is administrating now pdp to send/ask for modifications of pdp?, pdp seems stopped here: http://zwizwa.be/pd/pdp/ Bye www.myspace.com/vjgarff Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:42:13 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Place pdp render windows in concrete positions I wrote: I have a patch that opens 3 pdp render windows. Is it possible to open this windows in concrete positions of my screen when i open the patch? in the pdp_xv or pdp_glx windows you can use the postdim message example patch attached Sigue de cerca las últimas tendencias y lo que más rompe MSN Vídeo _ Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar siempre a la última Guapos y guapas, clips musicales y estrenos de cine. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Place pdp render windows in concrete positions
acracia wrote: in the pdp_xv or pdp_glx windows you can use the postdim message example patch attached Thanks!, i didn't know those options for pdp_xv. Anyway, It doesn't have the option of removing the frame of the pdp windows. One more question: who is administrating now pdp to send/ask for modifications of pdp?, pdp seems stopped here: http://zwizwa.be/pd/pdp/ Bye www.myspace.com/vjgarff Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:42:13 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Place pdp render windows in concrete positions I wrote: I have a patch that opens 3 pdp render windows. Is it possible to open this windows in concrete positions of my screen when i open the patch? in the pdp_xv or pdp_glx windows you can use the postdim message example patch attached _ Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar siempre a la última Guapos y guapas, clips musicales y estrenos de cine. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Place pdp render windows in concrete positions
I wrote: I have a patch that opens 3 pdp render windows. Is it possible to open this windows in concrete positions of my screen when i open the patch? I have found Devilspie. http://burtonini.com/blog/computers/devilspie http://foosel.org/linux/devilspie As you can read Devilspie lets you give presets for the size and the position of windows, take the frame of the window off, etc... Devilspie works ok with 1 pdp render window, but my intention is giving 3 different positions to 3 pdp render windows. This last not possible because all the pdp render windows are always named pdp. Don't would be great modifying pdp/pidip to named the pdp render windows as pdp 1, pdp 2, etc, in order to Devilspie recognizes them separately? Ciao Javi www.myspace.com/vjgarff From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 23:32:36 +0200 Subject: [PD] Place pdp render windows in concrete positions Hi list! I have a patch that opens 3 pdp render windows. Is it possible to open this windows in concrete positions of my screen when i open the patch? Bye www.myspace.com/vjgarff Todo ruedas: información práctica y todo el glamour del mundo del motor. MSN Estilo y Tendencias _ Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar siempre a la última Guapos y guapas, clips musicales y estrenos de cine. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Someone wants to program this?
pierre wrote: have you tried the [multimodel] object ? But [mutimodel] doesn't load animated objects.. www.myspace.com/vjgarff Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:48:52 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] Someone wants to program this? I'm interested in the object i have described in the document i have attached, but i don't have to much time to program it by now.. I wanted to share it with you. Maybe someone wants to program it or maybe someone knows a site where someone could program it. you want to be able to animate 3d models with GEM Any comment about the project would be interesting for me. have you tried the [multimodel] object ? p. _ Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar siempre a la última Guapos y guapas, clips musicales y estrenos de cine. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Place pdp render windows in concrete positions
Hi list! I have a patch that opens 3 pdp render windows. Is it possible to open this windows in concrete positions of my screen when i open the patch? Bye www.myspace.com/vjgarff _ MSN Video. http://video.msn.com/?mkt=es-es___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Connecting the UC-33 and pd
Hi, when I want to control my pd patches with my UC-33 midi controller, i must do these steps: Open pd Media ALSA MIDI Open ALSA Sequencer Connect UC33 with pd Are four steps, not too much... but, Im wondering if there is any to reduce them. You know, I would like to open pd and have the UC-33 and pd connected without going to MediaALSA midi and then going to the ALSA Sequencer. Regards! www.myspace.com/vjgarff _ Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar siempre a la última Guapos y guapas, clips musicales y estrenos de cine. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gem2pdp-help patch doesnt work for me
Hi, someone got the gem2pdp-help patch work? Regards Javi www.myspace.com/vjgarff CC: PD-list@iem.at From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] gem2pdp-help patch doesnt work for me Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:16:37 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah, strange, same for me. The PDP window pops up, but there is nothing in it. Is gem2pdp supposed to be connected to something? .hc On Aug 13, 2007, at 12:30 AM, Javier García wrote: Hi, I can see the teapot rotating but when i click the toggle, the image stops. how to use it? br. GARFF _ Descarga gratis la Barra de Herramientas de MSN http://www.msn.es/usuario/busqueda/barra?XAPID=2031DI=1055SU=http% 3A//www.hotmail.comHL=LINKTAG1OPENINGTEXT_MSNBH ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson _ Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar siempre a la última Guapos y guapas, clips musicales y estrenos de cine. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] bang.pdf?
Hi, is there any .pdf of the book bang for free? Regards www.myspace.com/vjgarff _ MSN Video. http://video.msn.com/?mkt=es-es___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] High cpu usage
Hi Hans, Here you have the patch.. Im using a core duo 2 2,16 GHz and UbuntuStudio 7.04. Im not worried about that high cpu usage, because with the values i said (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8) the movie is played veryveryvery fast, so maybe is something normal... What surprise me, is that the increase of the cpu usage is exponential (or similar) around those values. Regards Javi ___ www.myspace.com/vjgarff CC: pd-list@iem.at From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] High cpu usage Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:22:20 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey, There is no patch attached...Do you have a Pentium 4 computer? Which version of Pd. Perhaps its a denormal bughc On Jan 26, 2008, at 11:37 AM, Javier Garcia wrote:Hi, the patch attached gets high exponentially the cpu usage when i decrease a number box to low values. any idea? or should keep it in values from 10? Regards GARFF www.myspace.com/vjgarff Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,.suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar siempre a la última MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. _ Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar siempre a la última Guapos y guapas, clips musicales y estrenos de cine. patch.pd Description: application/puredata ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] High cpu usage
Hi, the patch attached gets high exponentially the cpu usage when i decrease a number box to low values. any idea? or should keep it in values from 10? Regards GARFF www.myspace.com/vjgarff _ MSN Noticias http://noticias.msn.es/comunidad.aspx___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] A limited in range numeric box and [ctlin]
Hi, when i connect a [ctlin] box to a numeric box limited between two numbers between 0 and 127 (30 an 84 for example) the limit doesnt work, I mean, the numbers go from 0 to 127 without considering the limits. why this? what do you usually use to solve it? www.myspace.com/vjgarff _ MSN Video. http://video.msn.com/?mkt=es-es___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] why do the lines feed of the comments disappear when i open a patch?
Hi, why do the lines feed of the comments (ctrl+5) disappear when i open a patch? I create them just pushing enter key. any solution? br. GARFF _ La vida de los famosos al desnudo en MSN Entretenimiento http://entretenimiento.es.msn.com/___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] UC-33 and Pd
Hi, I have an UC-33 evolution midi controller. When i turn it on, Alsa Sequencer shows it. In the same way when i go to pd, and choose MediaAlsa midi, Alsa Sequencer shows this: Pure Data Midi-in 1 Then i go to MediaTest audio and midi, and i press the assignable buttons, or move the knobs, and nothing seems happen. Any idea? br. GARFF _ La vida de los famosos al desnudo en MSN Entretenimiento http://entretenimiento.es.msn.com/___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] UC-33 and Pd
Nikola Jeremic wrote: did you try kaconnect or aconnectgui programs you probably just need to conect the 2 midi ports (out from uc33 in to pd when you connect them should work fine hope it helps Yes, now works, just drag and drop from UC-33 to Pure data midi 1 at Alsa Sequencer (aconnectgui) :) Thanks GARFF Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 23:49:12 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] UC-33 and Pd CC: pd-list@iem.at hi Javier did you try kaconnect or aconnectgui programs you probably just need to conect the 2 midi ports (out from uc33 in to pd when you connect them should work fine hope it helps nikola On Dec 23, 2007 10:21 PM, Javier Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have an UC-33 evolution midi controller. When i turn it on, Alsa Sequencer shows it. In the same way when i go to pd, and choose MediaAlsa midi, Alsa Sequencer shows this: Pure Data Midi-in 1 Then i go to MediaTest audio and midi, and i press the assignable buttons, or move the knobs, and nothing seems happen. Any idea? br. GARFF Sigue los principales acontecimientos deportivos en directo. MSN Motor ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- www.echoplex-label.de/njeremic _ MSN Noticias http://noticias.msn.es/comunidad.aspx___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] My project at IEM
Alexandre Quessy wrote: Make multitexturing and multitexture shaders GLSL work ? (You'll love what one can do with those) Hi, can you explain me better your idea, give me more information or links, or show me graphic examples? i dont have idea about that...but sounds good :DD GARFF Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:22:47 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] My project at IEM CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; pd-list@iem.at Hi ! Make multitexturing and multitexture shaders GLSL work ? (You'll love what one can do with those) a 2007/12/19, chris clepper [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Dec 19, 2007 5:48 PM, Javier Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My intention was to create an object for GEM that would insert a 3D animation. But i have seen this email: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-12/057913.html There are certainly other ways to do animation without using OGRE. OGRE has too much overlap with GEM and would not be easy to integrate unless you really just want to replace all of GEM with OGRE. I have to tell my knowledge about OpenGL is low-medium. Concentrating on a cross-platform GL project would be my recommendation. There are a variety of 'unfinished' parts of GEM that could use some attention. The vertex_array branch, multiple windows/screens, render to texture, upgraded paticle system and so on. Also, you might not have to do much coding to come up with a library of patches that integrate already existing parts of GEM like shaders with physical modeling or advanced lighting for example. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Alexandre Quessy http://alexandre.quessy.net http://www.puredata.info/Members/aalex _ Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar siempre a la última http://newsletters.msn.com/hm/maintenanceeses.asp?L=ESC=ESP=WCMaintenanceBrand=WLRU=http%3a%2f%2fmail.live.com___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] My project at IEM
Well, I have read something about multitexturing and GLSL, and I have add a concept to GEM in my mind: GEM is 3D engine oriented to visual artists. and as other 3d engines (games, etc), it should incorporate features to create more realistic spaces for example. Is that true? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:59:12 +0100 CC: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] My project at IEM Alexandre Quessy wrote: Make multitexturing and multitexture shaders GLSL work ? (You'll love what one can do with those) Hi, can you explain me better your idea, give me more information or links, or show me graphic examples? i dont have idea about that...but sounds good :DD GARFF Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:22:47 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] My project at IEM CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; pd-list@iem.at Hi ! Make multitexturing and multitexture shaders GLSL work ? (You'll love what one can do with those) a 2007/12/19, chris clepper [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Dec 19, 2007 5:48 PM, Javier Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My intention was to create an object for GEM that would insert a 3D animation. But i have seen this email: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-12/057913.html There are certainly other ways to do animation without using OGRE. OGRE has too much overlap with GEM and would not be easy to integrate unless you really just want to replace all of GEM with OGRE. I have to tell my knowledge about OpenGL is low-medium. Concentrating on a cross-platform GL project would be my recommendation. There are a variety of 'unfinished' parts of GEM that could use some attention. The vertex_array branch, multiple windows/screens, render to texture, upgraded paticle system and so on. Also, you might not have to do much coding to come up with a library of patches that integrate already existing parts of GEM like shaders with physical modeling or advanced lighting for example. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Alexandre Quessy http://alexandre.quessy.net http://www.puredata.info/Members/aalex Sigue al minuto las principales noticias de tu ciudad MSN Deportes _ Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar siempre a la última Guapos y guapas, clips musicales y estrenos de cine. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] My project at IEM
Hi, in order to finish my Telecomunications Engineering, during the summer semester I will go to IEM (Graz, Austria) to develop my Trabajo fin de carrera (we can translate it as Final work of career), that is a little project that will take me 6 months working 8 hours per day, 6 days per week (including the wrote part, you know, a wad of papers :) ) My intention was to create an object for GEM that would insert a 3D animation. But i have seen this email: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-12/057913.html So now, I would like to show to IEM people a new project. So do you have any proposal around GEM? If the ideas about GEM doesnt convince me, i will ask you about other things: pdp, pidip, other video tools, muslc, etc... I have to tell my knowledge about OpenGL is low-medium. br. GARFF _ MSN Noticias http://noticias.msn.es/comunidad.aspx___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Object to store images and movies.
Wellcome Donal, i think you are speaking about a to much complex aplication to be and object (at least nowadays). You can construct that application with pd, but start from the begining with the doc. br. GARFF From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:29:33 + Subject: [PD] Object to store images and movies. Hi This is my first post to the list so I'll do a quick intro and backround. My name's Donal Carey and I'm currently studying for a Masters in Multimedia Systems in Trinity College Dublin (Ireland). I'm starting work on a PD project for use by DJ's in a live performance context. The basic premise of the project is that the PD patch will select and display media (still images video) automatically based on the tempo and complexity of the music. So at the start of the performance when the music is minimal the patch will select and display only black and white still images, as the tempo and complexity increases the patch should start displaying black and white videos also. After a certain threshold is reached the patch should display only colour videos. Hopefully the effect will be that as the night progresses and the music gets faster and more complicated the images displayed should move from BW stills into BW video and from there into colour video, all automatically of course. My question is, is there a PD object (like an array) that will store these sets of media for me? Thanks and regards Donal _ Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar a la última http://newsletters.msn.com/hm/maintenanceeses.asp?L=ESC=ESP=WCMaintenanceBrand=WLRU=http%3a%2f%2fmail.live.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] up-down-counter.pd
now u can create an object [up-down-counter 0 9] or
[up-down-counter -100 0]
thanks, Enrique now works. The word instantiate (Thomas Ouellet wrote it) was
the key. It was strange for me..
For newbies on counters, I want to add the final patch is this:
toggle
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[metro 500]
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[up-down-counter 0 9]
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numeric box
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Subject: Re: [PD] up-down-counter.pd
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:45:26 +0100
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hi
here is some information about how to use abstractions and arguments. i
think it's a must to know how to use abstractions and arguments in
puredata :-)
http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-1187-abstraction-why-use-etc
http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Pd_documentation/x2.htm#s7.1
basically u can copy/paste the patch starting from #N canvas until the
last #X connect and save it with a texteditor with a .pd suffix i.e
up-down-counter.pd . then make a new patch and save it to the same
directory. now u can create an object [up-down-counter 0 9] or
[up-down-counter -100 0]
good luck eni
On Dec 4, 2007, at 12:45 AM, Javier Garcia wrote:
Thomas Ouellet Fredericks wrote:
Instantiate the counter with 2 arguments: the min and the max values
I dont understand that object, where should i set the min and the max
value? where is the counter?
Someone can give a patch using it?
br.
GARFF
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 10:31:58 -0400
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To: pd-list@iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] up-down-counter.pd
An updown counter with settable current value, minimum value and
maximum value that also works with negative number.
Instantiate the counter with 2 arguments: the min and the max values
Tom
updown.pd
#N canvas 0 0 571 568 10;
#X obj 62 38 inlet;
#X obj 246 544 outlet;
#X obj 73 84 b;
#X obj 91 137 f 1;
#X obj 106 228 + \$1;
#X obj 373 411 t b b;
#X obj 370 448 f \$2;
#X obj 3 449 t b b;
#X obj 29 499 f \$1;
#X obj 318 486 t f f;
#X msg 29 165 1;
#X msg 215 125 -1;
#X obj 91 271 t f f f;
#X obj 120 337 \$1;
#X obj 246 430 moses \$2;
#X obj 355 63 inlet set;
#X obj 51 387 spigot;
#X obj 73 323 t f f;
#X obj 81 360 == 0;
#X obj 129 387 spigot;
#X connect 0 0 2 0;
#X connect 2 0 3 0;
#X connect 3 0 4 0;
#X connect 4 0 12 0;
#X connect 5 0 6 0;
#X connect 5 1 11 0;
#X connect 6 0 9 0;
#X connect 7 0 8 0;
#X connect 7 1 10 0;
#X connect 8 0 9 0;
#X connect 9 0 1 0;
#X connect 9 1 4 1;
#X connect 10 0 3 1;
#X connect 11 0 3 1;
#X connect 12 0 17 0;
#X connect 12 1 13 0;
#X connect 12 2 4 1;
#X connect 13 0 18 0;
#X connect 13 0 19 1;
#X connect 14 0 1 0;
#X connect 14 1 5 0;
#X connect 15 0 4 1;
#X connect 16 0 7 0;
#X connect 17 0 16 0;
#X connect 17 1 19 0;
#X connect 18 0 16 1;
#X connect 19 0 14 0;
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Re: [PD] up-down-counter.pd
Thomas Ouellet Fredericks wrote: Instantiate the counter with 2 arguments: the min and the max values I dont understand that object, where should i set the min and the max value? where is the counter? Someone can give a patch using it? br. GARFF Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 10:31:58 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] up-down-counter.pd An updown counter with settable current value, minimum value and maximum value that also works with negative number. Instantiate the counter with 2 arguments: the min and the max values Tom updown.pd #N canvas 0 0 571 568 10; #X obj 62 38 inlet; #X obj 246 544 outlet; #X obj 73 84 b; #X obj 91 137 f 1; #X obj 106 228 + \$1; #X obj 373 411 t b b; #X obj 370 448 f \$2; #X obj 3 449 t b b; #X obj 29 499 f \$1; #X obj 318 486 t f f; #X msg 29 165 1; #X msg 215 125 -1; #X obj 91 271 t f f f; #X obj 120 337 \$1; #X obj 246 430 moses \$2; #X obj 355 63 inlet set; #X obj 51 387 spigot; #X obj 73 323 t f f; #X obj 81 360 == 0; #X obj 129 387 spigot; #X connect 0 0 2 0; #X connect 2 0 3 0; #X connect 3 0 4 0; #X connect 4 0 12 0; #X connect 5 0 6 0; #X connect 5 1 11 0; #X connect 6 0 9 0; #X connect 7 0 8 0; #X connect 7 1 10 0; #X connect 8 0 9 0; #X connect 9 0 1 0; #X connect 9 1 4 1; #X connect 10 0 3 1; #X connect 11 0 3 1; #X connect 12 0 17 0; #X connect 12 1 13 0; #X connect 12 2 4 1; #X connect 13 0 18 0; #X connect 13 0 19 1; #X connect 14 0 1 0; #X connect 14 1 5 0; #X connect 15 0 4 1; #X connect 16 0 7 0; #X connect 17 0 16 0; #X connect 17 1 19 0; #X connect 18 0 16 1; #X connect 19 0 14 0; ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list _ Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar a la última http://newsletters.msn.com/hm/maintenanceeses.asp?L=ESC=ESP=WCMaintenanceBrand=WLRU=http%3a%2f%2fmail.live.com___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [pdp_rec~] and record my vj sessions using [pdp_qt]
Nikola Jeremic wrote: i did it with pdp_theorout~ but i had some audio-video desyncronisation with theora codec you have to experiment and see what works for your system here is also my patch so you can see it hope it helps Thanks Nikola, but im looking for a solution to record my vj sessions (with music) using [pdp_qt]. Some could think in [pdp_rec~], but when i seek the movie, the final time of the recorded video becomes variable. Anyone who tells me how to use [pdp_rawout~]? I used the help patch but the final video is green-noisy. GARFF Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:38:07 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] [pdp_rec~] and record my vj sessions using [pdp_qt] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; pd-list@iem.at hi i did it with pdp_theorout~ but i had some audio-video desyncronisation with theora codec you have to experiment and see what works for your system here is also my patch so you can see it hope it helps greets n. On Nov 25, 2007 9:30 PM, Javier Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay wrote: have you tried pdp_rawout ? http://zwizwa.goto10.org/darcs/pdp-12/doc/misc/rawout.txt Can someone send any patch using [pdp_rawout] and [pdp_qt] with some instructions (included the command to get a vlc file or any other video file) ? GARFF From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PD] [pdp_rec~] and record my vj sessions using [pdp_qt] Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:25:32 +0100 Jay wrote: have you tried pdp_rawout ? http://zwizwa.goto10.org/darcs/pdp-12/doc/misc/rawout.txt Can someone send any patch using [pdp_rawout] and [pdp_qt] with some instructions (included the command to get a vlc file or any other video file) ? GARFF Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 02:08:42 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] [pdp_rec~] and record my vj sessions using [pdp_qt] have you tried pdp_rawout ? http://zwizwa.goto10.org/darcs/pdp-12/doc/misc/rawout.txt Javier Garcia escribió: Hi, I would like to record a video that goes from [pdp_qt] to [pdp_xv] or [pdp_glx] passing throw other pdp objects (or what is the same: my sessions). I thougt in [pdp_rec~], but i have seen it only can be connected to [pdp_qt] or [pdp_qt~] but not to [pdp_xv] or [pdp_glx]. Can someone help me? br. GARFF Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar a la última MSN Newsletters http://newsletters.msn.com/hm/maintenanceeses.asp?L=ESC=ESP=WCMaintenanceBrand=WLRU=http%3a%2f%2fmail.live.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar a la última MSN Newsletters Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar a la última MSN Newsletters ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- www.echoplex-label.de/njeremic _ Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar a la última http://newsletters.msn.com/hm/maintenanceeses.asp?L=ESC=ESP=WCMaintenanceBrand=WLRU=http%3a%2f%2fmail.live.com___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [pdp_rec~] and record my vj sessions using [pdp_qt]
Jay wrote: have you tried pdp_rawout ? http://zwizwa.goto10.org/darcs/pdp-12/doc/misc/rawout.txt Can someone send any patch using [pdp_rawout] and [pdp_qt] with some instructions (included the command to get a vlc file or any other video file) ? GARFF From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PD] [pdp_rec~] and record my vj sessions using [pdp_qt] Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:25:32 +0100 Jay wrote: have you tried pdp_rawout ? http://zwizwa.goto10.org/darcs/pdp-12/doc/misc/rawout.txt Can someone send any patch using [pdp_rawout] and [pdp_qt] with some instructions (included the command to get a vlc file or any other video file) ? GARFF Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 02:08:42 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] [pdp_rec~] and record my vj sessions using [pdp_qt] have you tried pdp_rawout ? http://zwizwa.goto10.org/darcs/pdp-12/doc/misc/rawout.txt Javier Garcia escribió: Hi, I would like to record a video that goes from [pdp_qt] to [pdp_xv] or [pdp_glx] passing throw other pdp objects (or what is the same: my sessions). I thougt in [pdp_rec~], but i have seen it only can be connected to [pdp_qt] or [pdp_qt~] but not to [pdp_xv] or [pdp_glx]. Can someone help me? br. GARFF Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar a la última MSN Newsletters http://newsletters.msn.com/hm/maintenanceeses.asp?L=ESC=ESP=WCMaintenanceBrand=WLRU=http%3a%2f%2fmail.live.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar a la última MSN Newsletters _ Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar a la última http://newsletters.msn.com/hm/maintenanceeses.asp?L=ESC=ESP=WCMaintenanceBrand=WLRU=http%3a%2f%2fmail.live.com___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [pdp_rec~] and record my vj sessions using [pdp_qt]
Jack wrote: You can do something like that (for exemple) : [pdp_qt] | [pdp_contrast] |\ | \ |\ | \ | [pdp_rec~] | [pdp_glx] Thanks Jack, but the problem with [pdp_rec] in this case you tell me, is if i seek the video, the time of the video recorded oscilates. Anyone knows if with [pdp_rawout] (thanks Jay) happens the same? GARFF CC: pd-list@iem.at From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] [pdp_rec~] and record my vj sessions using [pdp_qt] Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 02:02:40 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a look at the help file about [pdp_rec~] and [pdp_glx].[pdp_glx] output mouse event messages when you are on the rendering window. So this message is not 'useful' for [pdp_rec~]You can do something like that (for exemple) :[pdp_qt]|[pdp_contrast]|\| \|\| \| [pdp_rec~]|[pdp_glx]Then what you are recording (with [pdp_rec~]) is what you are seeing (with [pdp_glx]).++JackPS : don't forget to see what is output from an object (at its outlet(s)) and what an other object accept (at its inlet(s)) : have a look at the help patch. Le 21 nov. 07 à 23:55, Javier Garcia a écrit : Hi, I would like to record a video that goes from [pdp_qt] to [pdp_xv] or [pdp_glx] passing throw other pdp objects (or what is the same: my sessions). I thougt in [pdp_rec~], but i have seen it only can be connected to [pdp_qt] or [pdp_qt~] but not to [pdp_xv] or [pdp_glx]. Can someone help me? br. GARFF Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar a la última MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list _ Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar a la última http://newsletters.msn.com/hm/maintenanceeses.asp?L=ESC=ESP=WCMaintenanceBrand=WLRU=http%3a%2f%2fmail.live.com___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol'
Thanks, solved! :) Jack wrote: our error come from the link between [playlist] (output a symbol) and [K-motion_blur] in vj_appli2.pd. It is true...first [playlist ], then [pdp_qt] or any other player, not in he opposite way... GARFF CC: pd-list@iem.at From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol' Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 01:06:02 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Javier,Your error come from the link between [playlist] (output a symbol) and [K-motion_blur] in vj_appli2.pd. This abstraction contain after the inlet the [pdp_route] object. This last object is waiting for a pdp packet and here get a symbol.++Jack Le 21 nov. 07 à 00:33, Javier Garcia a écrit :Jack wrote: there is an error in your patch with the toggle message entering in the left inlet). Look at the help patch about [route]. I know, it was like a joke.. I think, in your case you need [gate] or [pdp_route] I think i could use [gate], but... Could someone explain me why [pdp_route] works ok at the patch called vj_apli.pd (attached) and with the patch called vj_apli2.pd (also attached) gives that error line i mentioned (you know, error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol' you might be able to track this down from the Find menu.) ? CC: pd-list@iem.at From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol' Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:28:48 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think, in your case you need [gate] or [pdp_route] . You can't do anything with your [route] object with a toggle.Don't forget : [pdp_route] accept message 0, 1, 2, 3, etc in its right inlet (there is an error in your patch with the toggle message entering in the left inlet).Look at the help patch about [route].++Jack Le 19 nov. 07 à 22:27, Javier Garcia a écrit :Hi, thanks for your answers about [pdp_route] and [route], but i dont understand... Let see: I have attached other patch to this email, where i dont have any problems with [pdp_route] but yes with [route]. One more thing: the filters-abstractions im using in the first patch i send (you know, in my first e-mail) are part of Kinoko, where there is no problem to see the video neither: http://viator.si/kinoko/ The last thing: 1 week ago I think everything worked ok, but now it gives that error line about symbol. GARFF CC: pd-list@iem.at From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol' Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:55:53 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [pdp_route] accept only pdp packet (like movie). In your patch [K-looper] seems to output a symbol.++Jack Le 19 nov. 07 à 00:39, Javier Garcia a écrit :Hi, when i try to open a .mov with the patch i have attached this error message appear: error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol' ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. Any idea? br. GARFF Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messengervj_apli2.pd[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messengervj_apli.pd Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar a la última MSN Newslettersvj_apli.pdvj_apli2.pd _ Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar a la última http://newsletters.msn.com/hm/maintenanceeses.asp?L=ESC=ESP=WCMaintenanceBrand=WLRU=http%3a%2f%2fmail.live.com___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [pdp_rec~] and record my vj sessions using [pdp_qt]
Hi, I would like to record a video that goes from [pdp_qt] to [pdp_xv] or [pdp_glx] passing throw other pdp objects (or what is the same: my sessions). I thougt in [pdp_rec~], but i have seen it only can be connected to [pdp_qt] or [pdp_qt~] but not to [pdp_xv] or [pdp_glx]. Can someone help me? br. GARFF _ Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar a la última http://newsletters.msn.com/hm/maintenanceeses.asp?L=ESC=ESP=WCMaintenanceBrand=WLRU=http%3a%2f%2fmail.live.com___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol'
Jack wrote: there is an error in your patch with the toggle message entering in the left inlet). Look at the help patch about [route]. I know, it was like a joke.. I think, in your case you need [gate] or [pdp_route] I think i could use [gate], but... Could someone explain me why [pdp_route] works ok at the patch called vj_apli.pd (attached) and with the patch called vj_apli2.pd (also attached) gives that error line i mentioned (you know, error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol' you might be able to track this down from the Find menu.) ? CC: pd-list@iem.at From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol' Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:28:48 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think, in your case you need [gate] or [pdp_route] . You can't do anything with your [route] object with a toggle.Don't forget : [pdp_route] accept message 0, 1, 2, 3, etc in its right inlet (there is an error in your patch with the toggle message entering in the left inlet).Look at the help patch about [route].++Jack Le 19 nov. 07 à 22:27, Javier Garcia a écrit :Hi, thanks for your answers about [pdp_route] and [route], but i dont understand... Let see: I have attached other patch to this email, where i dont have any problems with [pdp_route] but yes with [route]. One more thing: the filters-abstractions im using in the first patch i send (you know, in my first e-mail) are part of Kinoko, where there is no problem to see the video neither: http://viator.si/kinoko/ The last thing: 1 week ago I think everything worked ok, but now it gives that error line about symbol. GARFF CC: pd-list@iem.at From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol' Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:55:53 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [pdp_route] accept only pdp packet (like movie). In your patch [K-looper] seems to output a symbol.++Jack Le 19 nov. 07 à 00:39, Javier Garcia a écrit :Hi, when i try to open a .mov with the patch i have attached this error message appear: error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol' ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. Any idea? br. GARFF Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messengervj_apli2.pd[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messengervj_apli.pd _ Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar a la última http://newsletters.msn.com/hm/maintenanceeses.asp?L=ESC=ESP=WCMaintenanceBrand=WLRU=http%3a%2f%2fmail.live.com vj_apli.pd Description: application/puredata vj_apli2.pd Description: application/puredata ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol'
Hi, when i try to open a .mov with the patch i have attached this error message appear: error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol' ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. Any idea? br. GARFF _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ vj_apli2.pd Description: Binary data ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol'
Hi, thanks for your answers about [pdp_route] and [route], but i dont understand... Let see: I have attached other patch to this email, where i dont have any problems with [pdp_route] but yes with [route]. One more thing: the filters-abstractions im using in the first patch i send (you know, in my first e-mail) are part of Kinoko, where there is no problem to see the video neither: http://viator.si/kinoko/ The last thing: 1 week ago I think everything worked ok, but now it gives that error line about symbol. GARFF CC: pd-list@iem.at From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol' Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:55:53 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [pdp_route] accept only pdp packet (like movie). In your patch [K-looper] seems to output a symbol.++Jack Le 19 nov. 07 à 00:39, Javier Garcia a écrit :Hi, when i try to open a .mov with the patch i have attached this error message appear: error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol' ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. Any idea? br. GARFF Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messengervj_apli2.pd[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ vj_apli.pd Description: application/puredata ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol'
Hi, when i try to open a .mov with the patch i have attached this error message appear: error: pdp_route: no method for 'symbol' ... you might be able to track this down from the Find menu. Any idea? br. GARFF _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ vj_apli2.pd Description: Binary data ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Can you help me with this patch? II
Thanks Cyrille Cyrille Henry wrote: certainly a missong trigger problem. I dont understand...could you correct my patch? why do you nead a delay? As you can see here i asked for something similar some days ago: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-10/055664.html and [delay worked. (The patch i refered is attached on this mail) does the attached patch is what you wanted? Yes, but would prefer modify my patch. GARFF Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 17:13:51 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Can you help me with this patch? II Javier Garcia a écrit : Hi, the patch that is attached should do a loop between 0 and 1. someone knows why it doesnt work? certainly a missong trigger problem. I tried with several delays, but nothing... why do you nead a delay? does the attached patch is what you wanted? c br. GARFF _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ patch.pd Description: application/puredata ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Can you help me with this patch?
Marius Schebella wrote: what you should do, to get the loop working is to add a [delay] before frame 0 is triggered. I don't know if it should be a [delay 0] or a [delay 40] Thanks Marius, it works now! Anyway if i put [delay 2000] it doesn't work, do you know why? Another question: [delay 0] is not the same as don't put anything? GARFF Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:23:43 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] Can you help me with this patch? what you do in your patch, is trigger pdp_qt~ with a zero before the object has finished it's output. what you should do, to get the loop working is to add a [delay] before frame 0 is triggered. I don't know if it should be a [delay 0] or a [delay 40]. the delay could be related to the framerate and maybe the last frame needs 1/25 s to play before the movie can be looped. just try and see if this works better. marius. Javier Garcia wrote: Hi, take a look at the patch i have made I think it should restart the movie when it finishes, but no.. I know i could use [loop but im trying this... br. GARFF _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Can you help me with this patch?
Hi, take a look at the patch i have made I think it should restart the movie when it finishes, but no.. I know i could use [loop but im trying this... br. GARFF _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ patch.pd Description: application/puredata ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [pdp_qt][pdp_qt~]: controling the frames
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: pdp_qt will play a frame per bang, so just send it 45 bangs. Thanks but that's not what i was looking for. I was working with [pdp_qt~] so I forgot to check [pdp_qt] help patch..There are many more things explained there and i have discovered what i want: I just have to pass a number to the second inlet. br. GARFF From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] [pdp_qt][pdp_qt~]: controling the frames Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:46:23 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pdp_qt will play a frame per bang, so just send it 45 bangs..hc On Oct 22, 2007, at 7:13 PM, Javier García wrote:any idea? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: [pdp_qt][pdp_qt~]: controling the frames Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:38:52 +0200 Hi, to play a file with one of these objects, i send a [play If i send then for example a [45 to the right inlet, the file starts to play the file from the frame 45. But should i do to get stopped the frame 45 when i send [45? I want the second inlet gets the control of the play, is it possible? br. GARFF Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Mistrust authority - promote decentralization. - the hacker ethic _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
