Re: [PD] more eee trouble (on xandros)

[Kevin McCoy]

Potax,

How did you install pd-extended without installing tk?  Hans, isn't it
a dependency that has to be met for the package to be installed?

Potax, did you enable Debian repositories as per the wiki on
eeeuser.com?  I'd find the link but it seems the site has some
downtime right now.  Are you in easy mode or advanced mode in Xandros?

If you're in easy mode, do a CTRL+ALT+T to bring up the terminal, and type in

sudo synaptic

When you press enter, you'll be prompted for your password, after
which the synaptic package manager will load.  Do a search for "libtk"
or "tk" and look for something called libtk"whatever" that is at least
version 8.4.

This is the general idea for installing programs on Linux -
programmers save themselves work by borrowing from "libraries" written
by other people to make their job easier so they don't have to write
as much code.  The hardest part used to be tracking down and
installing all the libraries just to get your one program working.
Now it's much easier with the Debian/Ubuntu system of packages.

Hypothetically speaking say you want to have some dinner because you
worked up a hunger learning Linux.  You tell Xandros "I want some
dinner!" and it says "wait wait, my young potax, before you can have
your dinner I have to get you the peas, the carrots, the tofu, and the
lemonade.  Only then will your dinner be truly functional and
delicious."  All you care about at this point is your dinner, but the
synaptic package manager runs the errands for you.

So to summarize, you're missing the lemonade.  Run synaptic and get yo
self some tk lemonade.

km

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:05 AM, potax flan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> so how do i install tk?
> thanks
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like you are missing Tk (aka libtk).  you will definitely need that
>> if you want to see the GUI.  It should now run without the GUI like this:
>> pd -nogui
>> .hc
>> On Jun 27, 2008, at 4:59 AM, potax flan wrote:
>>
>> hi
>> im trying to install extended using hans' deb package and xandros (i know
>> ubuntu and debian are better but i do wanna keep this)
>> when i launch pd from the terminal i get:
>> /usr/lib/pd/bin/pd-gui: error while loading shared libraries:
>> libtk8.4.so.0: cannot open shared object file: no such file or
>> directory
>>
>> am i missing a library?
>> how to fix it?
>> thanks
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Re: [PD] extended on asus eeePC?

[Kevin McCoy]

I wouldn't recommend doing it with the default Xandros installation if
you are new to Linux.  It is certainly possible but you have to
customize the repositories first, and then probably you'd want to
permanently enable the advanced mode desktop, both of which require
text editing and command line tweaking.  This might sound like jargon
to you but with a month or so of practice you'll have a lot better
grip on it, we've all been there when we were learning Linux.  There's
stuff you have to understand about repositories, packages,
dependencies, and all of that before you can get a good grasp on how
to install pd extended in a customized Linux distribution like the one
Asus provides.  What would be a better choice would be to switch to
something like eeexubuntu for your os and follow standard
documentation for Ubuntu/Debian based operating systems - that way you
get a good base of how-tos + etc floating around on the 'net in case
you have any questions.

So, there are a few of us using the eeepc on this list (I guess me and
Georg, maybe some others too) but like I said, if you want to be able
to follow the multitude of howtos and troubleshooting guides out there
so you can get your problems resolved faster without having to wait
for the slowbies to answer, you'll be better off getting a standard,
full-functioning OS like eeexubuntu instead of the customized Asus
Xandros.  Check out www.eeeuser.com and read the wiki there - this is
the best site for eeepc related matters and has great howto guides you
can follow.

Good luck!!!
km

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:13 PM, potax flan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i downloaded Hans' .deb installer but when i run it from the xandros desktop
> (choosing the option "install debian package" or something like that) i get
> an error message and it doesnt go far. both synaptic and apt-get give me a
> non-extended pd to install, which i tried, but i really need extended, as
> all my patches require it at some point.
> can you apt-get install extended? mayb it's just a matter of adding the
> right sources?
> ideas?
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Georg Holzmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Hallo!
>>
>>> just got a shiny new asus eeePC
>>> i am fairly new to linux, and looking for the easiest most friendly way
>>> to install
>>>  pd-entended (i dont need it to be the latest version, althou that'd be
>>> great).
>>> tips for a linux newbie?
>>
>> It is just the same as on every other computer.
>> I use (k)ubuntu on the eee, so all dependencies are easy to install ...
>>
>> However, I don't know if it is that easy on the default Xandros OS, you
>> might not have all latest libraries, but you could try it !
>>
>> LG
>> Georg
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Re: [PD] [Pd]: TR909 emulation

[Kevin McCoy]

> 2) How did you exported the processing interface
> in a single executable?

This is always possible.  Processing runs on Java, and it can export
complete compiled binaries through a simple click of the menu.

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Re: [PD] pd extended huge xruns when running jack

[Kevin McCoy]

Hi!

Are you using a realtime enabled kernel?  Are you running "pd -rt
-jack" from the terminal?  Is the "realtime" box checked in qjackctl
(I am assuming that's what you're using)?

Just a few ideas!
Good luck
k

On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 7:42 AM, jean-martin barbut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I experiment huge xruns with pd/jack.  No matter if I change pd latency
> or jack latency. It only appears with pd, no issue with ardour or other
> softs. It appears only with jack, not with alsa or oss. But it appears
> with jack on alsa. It's also happening more when moving mouse pointer or
> moving windows.
>
> Any ideas ?
>
> Esox
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Re: [PD] pd on multi touch

[Kevin McCoy]

In a post a while back I think Derek Holzer said that he uses a
wacom-esque patching method.  Of course not quite as good as what you
describe.

km

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 3:41 AM, Ben Carney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello there all,
>
>  Is there any work being done on getting pd to tun on a multi ouch
> device such as the ipod touch or iphone?
> I think this would be an amazing experience, connecting patch chords with a
> fingertip or stylus
>
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Re: [PD] Fann or ann external

[Kevin McCoy]

>  My personal patches go on Linux.
> My job patches on Windows.

This made me smile :) If you can get libfann installed I can provide
you with 32-bit linux i386 binaries off-list.  For Windows you may
have to look elsewhere or compile from source.

cheers!
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Re: [PD] Fann or ann external

[Kevin McCoy]

As of 0.39-3 ext I had to download them from cvs (maybe svn now??) and
compile them after compiling libfann from source as well.  What OS are
you on?

http://leenissen.dk/fann/

km




On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Ricardo Dueñas Parada
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi everybody.
>
> Anyone knows where can I find the FANN or ANN externals, and which of both
> is in use?
> Some documents say that they are part of pd-extended, but they are not in my
> extra folder.
>
> Thanks.
>
>  _Ricardo D.
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] GridFlow 0.9.1

[Kevin McCoy]

>   * removed all Ruby code (rewritten in C++ or Pd)

Will it do some things faster now or will we just have to test&see?

Cool!
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Re: [PD] PD and new ASUS and Everex mini laptops: experiences?

[Kevin McCoy]

Yo!

Pd runs great on the eeePc.  Particularly if you are doing sample
based things; the cpu is not fast enough to do much synthesis or other
expensive stuff at once but I did get some phase vocoding going on it
with very few hiccups.  As always, rt kernel helps a lot and with jack
running, the built in audio is pretty decent.

peas,
km

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Georg Holzmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hallo!
>
>  I will also get one next week (they are sold out here ATM) and will
>  definitely make some pd experiments on it ... ;)
>
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
>  > Hi, nice to hear that PD runs on Eeepc!
>  > Did you use apt-get to install it?
>
>  Yes you can use the debian repositories ... lots of information is here:
>  http://wiki.eeeuser.com/
>
>  LG
>  Georg
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Re: [PD] stereo -> 8 channel

[Kevin McCoy]

my friend you will do well to investigate vbap
and make sure you got your card working in pd with 8 channels in the preferences
best of luck with your 8 channel goodness
km

On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 9:04 PM, potax flan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> are there any abstractions or objects to spatialize stereo (or mono, for
> that matter) sounds to 8 channel?
> if not, where should i start looking to make something like that?
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Re: [PD] Pd sounds better than Max?

[Kevin McCoy]

>  When will they come up with the PD to CSound python conversion script?

Drizzly drol.. if it's ever possible

have a nice day
km

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Re: [PD] mdeGranular~

[Kevin McCoy]

>  looks very interesting and would be nice to have it in pd

Indeed - maybe the best way to request this would be to ask the author
if he is interested in making it cross-platform using Thomas Grill's
flext.  I would also love to try this object!

km

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Re: [PD] [output] some old Pd+GridFlow videos

[Kevin McCoy]

WYSIWYH - that is some eye rippin' stuff!  I loved particularly when
it sputters in and out.  Nice work!

km

On Feb 17, 2008 6:56 AM, Claude Heiland-Allen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I uploaded some old videos (from the last 3 years or so) made with Pd
> and GridFlow (except "B15", which used PostScript):
>
> http://www.blurty.com/users/claudiusmaximus/day/2008/02/17#434
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> Hope they're of interest,
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Re: [PD] what libraries are included in 0.39-3? and how to install multiple externals?

[Kevin McCoy]

> hey, I figured this out...just type a colon, no spaces, then the library on
> an existing line and there you go..

haha I tried pretty much everything except that!  thanks

> however, cooled~ still doesn't show up? is that not included in OS X?

http://ydegoyon.free.fr/software.html   From what it looks like,
cooled~ has an OS X binary on sevy's page, but I have never used it -
I think I remember not being able to get it to work for whatever
reason when I was on mac.  Maybe someone who's used it on OS X can
chime in.  Can you create other objects from the lib, like [grid] or
[playlist]?

km

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Re: [PD] what libraries are included in 0.39-3? and how to

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On Feb 17, 2008 10:56 AM, bryan eubanks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm on OS X...
> I figured that extended had most of what I would need, especially since I am
> an amateur, so that is good news. How does one go about adding  libraries to
> a line that is already containing one? My start up is the default Pd
> startup,
Hmm, what do you mean "the default"?  Is it loading all the libs by
default because you copied Hans' pd preferences as per  the
instructions?  Those prefs are really just meant to test everything
out, not for day to day usage.  I know there's a way to get multiple
entries on the same line but I can't remember what it is - sorry!  But
if it's loading all those libraries on startup, that's going to take
up a lot of resources that could be put to good use otherwise.  For
example, you don't want to load Gem (3d graphics lib) if you're only
doing audio work.  My advice would be to erase everything, start
fresh, and add libs to the "Startup" dialog as you need them.

so I know there are a couple of those libraries I am not using at
> all that I could replace. However, how can I add libs to the startup flag,
> or just to the binaries to load section...?

You can put more entries in the startup flag field by adding "-lib
whateverlib" to it.

good luck
km

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Re: [PD] pd, windows & ubuntu

[Kevin McCoy]

Does the sigpack library load when you specify it in the "Startup"
preferences?  The .pd_linux extension is just a pd external binary for
linux.  I have had problems like this before - try running pd with
verbose (pd -verbose from the terminal) and see what you get as far as
specific errors.  This can and will be fixed - it's probably something
simple :)

km

On Feb 16, 2008 8:48 PM, Joe Newlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Okay, I was using .40-2. So I installed .39 extended, and solved one
> problem: objects had been resized and everything was a mess.
>
> That's okay now.
>
> But some objects are missing, e.g. decimate~ from extra/sigpack. The
> object is installed in /usr/lib/local/pd/extra/sigpack (with a
> .pd_linux extension - which leads me to wonder what this extension is,
> and why these objects have it) but pd can't create the object.
>
> Having similar trouble with other objects in different paths, although
> I have tried defining the paths in File menu and everything looks
> okay, but the objects aren't being created.
>
> I appreciate the help, thanks.
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2008 3:46 PM, Andy Farnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > What specific error messages are you seeing?
> > Are objects missing? Have paths changed?
> >
> > Which versions are you using on the respective machines?
> > It could be more to do with that than the OS.
> >
> > Locate errors by reading the console and using
> > Edit->Find Last Error
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:35:23 -0800
> > "Joe Newlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm new to both PD and Ubuntu.
> > >
> > > I've been mainly using PD on Windows XP, but I've been trying to use
> > > it on Ubuntu as well.
> > >
> > > I noticed that patches I've created on XP don't quite work correctly
> > > in Ubuntu. Why is this, and what can I do about it?
> > >
> > > Also, I'm having trouble getting PD in Ubuntu to locate abstractions,
> > > even after defining search paths.
> > >
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Re: [PD] what libraries are included in 0.39-3? and how to install multiple externals?

[Kevin McCoy]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Kevin McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Feb 16, 2008 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [PD] what libraries are included in 0.39-3? and how to
install multiple externals?
To: bryan eubanks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Yo b,

Are you on OS X, Win32, or Linux?  Almost every popular external,
unauthorized definitely, is included in Pd-ext .39-3.  To load a
library every time you start pd, go to File > Startup and you'll see
several rows where you can type the name of the lib you want to load
at startup.  For example to load sevy's "unauthorized" lib you would
type unauthorized, click "Save all settings" and the restart pd.  In
Pd's terminal window it will often say what libs are loaded if they
are programmed to give a shout-out on startup.

Finding out what is and isn't there is tricky, but if you tell us what
platform you're on it will be easy to explain.  In my experience the
only big thing that isn't there is Gridflow and some wilder stuff.

Also, you wouldn't happen to be the same Bryan Eubanks who made this
record: http://www.gmby.net/releases/gb100.html

Cause if so that stuff is really good and we should talk.
cheers
km


On Feb 16, 2008 6:36 PM, bryan eubanks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hello,
> I have been searching for a clear tutorial on external installation and
> haven't found one, if someone can point me to one, please do.
> my question regards what libraries are included in pd extended .39-3
> (looking for unauthorized in particular) and how do I load these at start up
> as well as how do I make a path to externals I have placed on my hard drive
> under /myexternals or something?
>  thanks
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Re: [PD] measurement of spectral richness

[Kevin McCoy]

Richness is subjective as far as I understand - you could do an
FFT-style frequency analysis, and there are ways to "enhance" sounds
and timbres like the mastering tools they use in studios - don't they
usually call these "sonic maximizers" or something?  Or exciters?

I would humbly suggest to do what sounds good to you!  This also
sounds like it could potentially go toward the "analog vs digital"
argument, which I don't really buy into - but maybe that's a whole
other quagmire.  Also, what is "natural"?

http://dataisnature.com/

"By the late twentieth century, our time, a mythic time, we are all
chimeras, theorized and fabricated hybrids of machine and organism; in
short, we are cyborgs. Ths cyborg is our ontology; it gives us our
politics."
Donna Haraway, "A Cyborg Manifesto"

cheers!
km

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> ive heard a lot of times that natural sounds has more
> spectral richness that digital generated sounds...
> is it possible to measure the spectral richness of a
> sound?
>
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Re: [PD] newbie questions(ableton)

[Kevin McCoy]

Whoa, sorry - I automatically assumed you were on a Mac, and I
shouldn't have - I don't know of any solution for Windows though..

On Feb 12, 2008 10:50 PM, Kevin McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As of now, I think the only way is to route through Jack OSX - there
> was supposed to be something going on with a "pluggo pd" as per Google
> Summer of Code, but I don't know what happened with that.  Jack is not
> the most convenient solution here, but it is known to work...
>
> http://jackosx.com/
>
> Kevin
>
> On Feb 12, 2008 9:01 PM, Steve Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  i was wondering if it is possible to use pure data as plug in in ableton
> > live 5...perhaps as a vst or some sort of other way to integrate the two
> > programs...thanks everyone. later. steve.
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Re: [PD] newbie questions(ableton)

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As of now, I think the only way is to route through Jack OSX - there
was supposed to be something going on with a "pluggo pd" as per Google
Summer of Code, but I don't know what happened with that.  Jack is not
the most convenient solution here, but it is known to work...

http://jackosx.com/

Kevin

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> programs...thanks everyone. later. steve.
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Re: [PD] pitchshifter object?

[Kevin McCoy]

The rubber band library sounds pretty good to me - has anyone made an
external for this?

http://breakfastquay.com/rubberband/

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> hello, which pitchshifter object or abstractions does
> exist for pd?
> i was trying pitchshift.pd from pds audio examples.
> but it doesnt sound good at hight frequencies... is it
> normal behaivor?
> i also was trying pvoc~ from fftease but it consumes a
> lot and i need to have 10 instances of the
> pitchshiter.
> Are there any other good pitchchifter options?
>
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Re: [PD] playing long audio files

[Kevin McCoy]

Hi,

I suppose hard's solution will work; the usual solution is to use
readsf~ and play from disk rather than soundfiler if you don't care
about manipulating the array data.

This is a question that comes up pretty often - a general rule I try
to use is to search the list archives first to see if other people
have had the same problems and then post.

cheers :)
km

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> hi all
> seems that the soundfiler does not resist longuer
> files than two minutes.
> is any way to play some good slayer stuff?
> also is kind of difficult to open a mp3 file with
> mp3play~  wich doesn´t support all my mp3s
> danke!
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Re: [PD] reverb for each grain

[Kevin McCoy]

Not to mention, I hope you'll be showin' some clips of whatever you
come up with... doing something like this is something I have had in
mind for a while and I would love to hear the results you get!  Are
you thinking it can make the grain cloud more "dimensional" this way?
That was the idea I had..

km

On Jan 30, 2008 1:06 AM, hard off <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> well, as charles suggested, set up a few different reverbs of varying
> decay lengths, and send varying percentages of each grain to the
> different reverbs.
>
> also, reverb usually has a 'dampening' setting, which will dull the
> signal as it goes through, so another thing you can try is to mix in a
> lowpass or bandpass filter after every voice before it goes in to the
> reverb.  if you alter the dry/wet ratio of each voice going into the
> filter, as well as altering the cutoff and q values for each filter it
> will make it sound similar to if each voice were going through a
> different reverb.
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Re: [PD] colored arrays?

[Kevin McCoy]

I hate to ask, I thought I should at least suggest a couple of things - to
have a "foreground" color variable for the graph as well, and have the
option to make it display as an opaque region rather than just individual
dots?  A certain other dataflow language does this and I found it extremely
helpful when you are looking at anything other than black and white graphs.

Another thing I liked about a certain kind of graph in this "other language"
was that it had this little pencil tool where you could click on the graph
and it would change the array wherever you clicked to whatever value the
mouse was at.  You didn't have to first move the mouse over the existing
point and then draw (this is a constant pain!), you could just start drawing
on it.  This would be a really nice feature that would round out array and
graph functionality well in my opinion.

Although to be fair I am pretty sure something like this could be
accomplished with data structures as well.

Thanks for the work you've been doing, exciting changes being made.
k

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>
> I am currently working on making the background of "graphs" (GOP and
> arrays) a settable variable like the others I added.  It's a bit
> tricky to get the text to show up on top of that tho
>
> .hc
>
> On Nov 11, 2007, at 4:19 AM, hard off wrote:
>
> > afaik, you can't change the actual colour of the array, but you can
> > put a canvas of equal size behind the array for a coloured background.
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Re: [PD] changing the look of Pd to be more readable

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> And finally, it pains me that much of this work we're discussing has
> already been done by Mathieu and Chun : (!  I have a dream, where DD and PD
> and PD-E are one.
>

Oh yes, we are dreaming the same dream - but DesireData isn't there in terms
of usability yet.  I couldn't use it for anything dsp-related actually.
The only thing I was able to get out of it was just to see what Chun and
Mathieu have been up to.  From what I understand (admittedly, not much) they
have undertaken something much more extensive than color changes, and their
work is likely not easily integrated with pd's vanilla ui.  I had a
conversation with Miller at the pd-conv where he said he was interested in
implementing some of dd's features at a point in the future.

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Re: [PD] Installing pd-extended in ubuntu on a computer with no internet connection

[Kevin McCoy]

This is cheating but Debian has a web repository at
http://packages.debian.org where you can download packages for different
architectures and search, etc.  Find out what packages Pd-extended depends
on, download the ppc .deb files from the debian server, pop them on a flash
drive and drop them on your net-less ppc at home and then install them first
with

sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb

Then install the pd-extended deb package using the same command.

That's what I would do - but it's not very elegant and maybe someone has a
better idea.
Kevin

On 11/3/07, David NG McCallum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Maybe this is more of an ubuntu package question than a Pd question,
> but...
>
> I've got an old iMac running xubuntu at home, except that home has no
> internet connection. When I tried installing the pd-extended package
> it went and tried to download the depends, which of course it
> couldn't, because it has no internet connection.
>
> Is there a complete meta-package of Pd-extended and all the depends
> that I could just plop onto this machine? Is it possible to make one
> (I don't have access to another PPC-ubuntu machine with a net
> connection to do this, it would have to be either an intel-ubuntu or
> OS X machine doing the work).
>
> Thanks!
> D
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Re: [PD] Pd-extended final release candidate - please test!

[Kevin McCoy]

Hans,

What would be helpful would be to find a changelog to see what bug fixes
have been implemented on each test release - do you maintain something like
this with pd extended?  At a cursory glance I couldn't find one.  Sorry if
this has been asked before.

Thanks!
Kevin

On 10/13/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Please test this build lots!  If no one finds anything that needs
> fixing, I am going to release this exact version:
>
> http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-10-13/
>
> There are some known bugs, but they are big and will have to wait for
> the next release.  Other than that, let's make sure there are no
> other outstanding issues.
>
> .hc
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Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

[Kevin McCoy]

> Equality is equality, and doesn't need another name.  If a man is treated
> badly for his gender, does he have less right to justice because he is a
> member of a group less often treated badly?  Maybe not in theory, but in
> many people's actions, yes.  I believe in equal rights, but I don't believe
> that is accomplished by focusing on one group of people.
>

Chuckk, while I can sympathize with this, I would also suggest that the goal
of many feminists is not equality in the limited sense of "we get the same
things as men."  I hope that you don't take this as any kind of attack,
because certainly this is not a reflection on you, but I am almost a little
bored by that idea.  After a certain point, doesn't the question become -
how long will we keep chasing and catching up with men?

In my opinion (as a man though), the more interesting varieties of feminism
also encompass a celebration (or expansion) of femininity.  The "feminine"
does not have to be a static, rigid entity either - see Donna Harraway's "A
Cyborg Manifesto", or feminist responses to Deleuze/Guattari's "rhizome".
Economic justice does require some attention to the idea of equality, but it
must an equality that is aware of difference, never turning a blind eye to
it.. otherwise, how to address inequality?  By turning back to some abstract
enlightenment ideal, or by attending to the differences?

Also I am not a computer science type either (as much as I often wish I was,
my degree is in art, so we are related in the $0 market), but I've been on
an interesting ride so far in large part because of pd and this
list/community, for which I am very grateful.  You can tell by my ridiculous
newbie questions from last summer :)

Also I found the mistake over Patrice really beautiful.
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Re: [PD] Will Netotchka Nezvanova please sit down...

[Kevin McCoy]

> b1257+12 was a sample mangling patch.  I don't recall how many samples it
> loaded (2?) but it really did not do that much out of the ordinary.  It may
> have had some random walk type of parameter changes and in true NN style the
> interface was inscrutable.


Ah, I see.  Oh well!  I thought those rotating circle things looked good.

Plus you had to deal with them to get the thing in the first place.  Not a
> stable or rational group to try and do a transaction with.  For example, I
> am one of two non-c74 employees banned from using Nato for life (the other
> is Sean Booth of Autechre).  NN was amusing then annoying then pathetic in a
> space of maybe 18 months.


I had to laugh at this!

Thanks for the info, Chris.

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Re: [PD] Will Netotchka Nezvanova please sit down...

[Kevin McCoy]

Dude where can I get my hands on that software?!  Seriously that looks
ripped.  Anyone have any idea what the b1257+12 does?

km

On 10/17/07, Kyle Klipowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This is true. I am not meaning to troll or bait. Sorry if it came off
> that way. I just hope we can get past the negativity.
>
> ~Kyle
>
> On 10/17/07, Derek Holzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In that case, as in this one, I think this is a more appropriate
> document:
> >
> > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq/troll-faq/
> >
> > Especially the original alt.syntax.tactical FAQ makes for better reading
> > than much of what got posted here as the "sexism" thread "matured". Not
> > to mention the "beer" thread... It reminds me that (in the Northern
> > hemisphere at least) it's not full-on winter yet so maybe people should
> > try to get outside more often instead of starting or responding to witch
> > hunts and political correcting.
> >
> > In fact, I'm out the door right now.
> >
> > best,
> > d.
> >
> >
> > Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netochka_Nezvanova
> > >
> > > For some reason I feel that this is appropriate.
> > >
> > > I hope our community can be a bit more mature...email lasts for n=n+1
> years.
> > >
> > > ~Kyle
> > >
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Re: [PD] about pd

[Kevin McCoy]

10 BEEP
20 PRINT "PABST!  BLUE!  RIBBON!"
30 GOTO 10

km

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> > As loing as it is not the crap beer we make in America!  ;)
>
> I know what you mean... I could go for a nice Stella Artois or a
> Peroni... or a dozen Harboes...
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Re: [PD] midi learn (Re: remote sl)

[Kevin McCoy]

I second that, I was getting ready to do it myself..

On 10/12/07, patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > i could clean it and post i here if there's a need.
> yes please do so.
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Re: [PD] click interface hack??

[Kevin McCoy]

Thank you Peter!  This is a great workaround and I will use it in the
meantime.  In fact it is almost nicer than all that clicking.
cheers!!
km

On 10/10/07, Peter Plessas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> For anyone on Linux, there is a nice workaround using your capslock-key
> as a mouse button as posted on this list by i think Frank some time ago:
> (You might need to check the numeric keycodes of your keyboard with xev
> first).
>
> # disable capslock
> xmodmap -e "remove lock = Caps_Lock"
>
> # set to mouse button
> xmodmap -e "keycode 66 = Pointer_Button1"
>
> # turn things on:
> xkbset m
>
> #
>
> # turn it off again:
> xmodmap -e "keycode 66 = Caps_Lock"
> xkbset -m
> xmodmap -e "add lock = Caps_Lock"
>
>
> mfg, Peter
>
> * Kevin McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-10-10 03:35]:
> > Hi list,
> >
> > Has anyone done a hack so instead of clicking and dragging patch cords
> > (which is kind of awkward still), you can click an outlet and then it
> starts
> > the patch cord and then move the mouse freehand to the destination,
> click an
> > inlet and it connects them that way?  To cancel the patch cord you can
> just
> > click on the blank canvas.
> >
> > I am pretty sure I must not be the only one who has thought of this..
> just
> > curious?
> >
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[PD] click interface hack??

[Kevin McCoy]

Hi list,

Has anyone done a hack so instead of clicking and dragging patch cords
(which is kind of awkward still), you can click an outlet and then it starts
the patch cord and then move the mouse freehand to the destination, click an
inlet and it connects them that way?  To cancel the patch cord you can just
click on the blank canvas.

I am pretty sure I must not be the only one who has thought of this.. just
curious?

km
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Re: [PD] That's a surprising new look

[Kevin McCoy]

> The Pd graph-on-parent makes more sense IMHO because it uses existing Pd
> mechanisms for encapsulation and encourages patchers to modularize their
> programs.
>

100% agreed, that is why I thought "umm... what's so special about this
presentation mode?" when I saw that page.  To me that should be planned into
the program.  If your patches are messy for performance, code cleaner, use
subpatches, etc, no excuses for that as far as I see.  Sends and receives
for gui objects have been there since I started..  I guess I wasn't really
excited about any of that stuff :) but then again maybe I misunderstand..

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Re: [PD] linux - faster load first time

[Kevin McCoy]

>
>
> what distro are you on?


Ubuntu Studio Feisty 7.04.  I usually do load some GNOME things ocasionally
and I wonder if they are staying in the system... I'm running a P4 1.6 GHz
384 MB RAM so I need to keep the memory freed up.  I will look into the
running processes, I haven't taken the time to find out what is what yet.
Application startup (including pd) is slow and the pc doesn't seem to be
paging or anything to disk...

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Re: [PD] linux - faster load first time

[Kevin McCoy]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Kevin McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Oct 4, 2007 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [PD] linux - faster load first time
To: Andy Farnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 I use fluxbox WM, no hassle, no fancy bollocks. It's just
> X with some coloured window bars and a program launcher menu.


I should have mentioned that I use the same, I love fb but the programs are
still slow to start - problems must be elsewhere.  I ended up liking xterm
better because it is so speedy but I am still interested in finding out
more.

People always say you shouldn't have to reinstall linux to maintain it so I
would love to hear about possible remedies..

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Re: [PD] linux - faster load first time

[Kevin McCoy]

I notice this not only on Pd but on most programs... gnome-terminal
eventually starting taking so long to start up the first couple of times
that I gave up and started with xterm, for example.  Firefox takes a long
time as well and I am using that every day...

km


On 10/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 09:15:06AM -0700, Miller Puckette wrote:
> > Hmm, now has anyone noticed that Pd (first time after booting) starts up
> > progressively more slowly over the months you own a linux machine?  I'm
> > suspicious that there's a correlation with how much software you have
> > loaded on the machine.  Maybe having lots of shared libraries and
> programs
> > to use them makes dynamic linking slower (see, e.g., 'man ldconfig').
> >
> > That's nothing but a guess.
> >
> > cheers
> > Miller
> >
> i think this is not what is happening really..
>
> i noticed a slowdown when i added a huge bunch of externals with
> different paths to them.
> so now i removed all and set the nessary once in one locations but with
> subdirectories (by name, as appears in the cvs).
> this seems to be fine ..
>
> i think that ldconfig caches frequently used stuff in /etc/ld.conf.cache
> but still keeps only file descriptors in the memory ..
>
> > On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 12:53:46AM +0100, Andy Farnell wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes this is page/cache feature and seen with many apps. If you have
> > > a very frequently used app that you want to load fast each time then
> > > consider creating a RAM disk. Study Knoppix and Puredyne to see that
> > > in action. A start script to load Pd bins into RAM and then set the
> > > path to them. Useful for performance situations maybe.
> > >
> > > On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:10:27 +0200
> > > Atte Andr? Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > When I run pd the first time it takes a while to load, the second
> time
> > > > it's much faster. I use a bash script to load my session (ardour,
> muse,
> > > > pd + more) so if pd isn't running before muse, muse can't connect
> it's
> > > > midi outs to pd's midi in.
> > > >
> > > > I assume the load time is a matter of loading a binary, that's
> cached
> > > > the second time. If so, where's the big binary? I tried running "cat
> > > > /usr/local/bin/pd > /dev/null" in the beginning of my bash script,
> but
> > > > that didn't seem to work.
> > > >
> > > > If the above is a blind alley, whe could be done to speed up pd
> loadtime
> > > > the first time?
> > > >
> > > > NB: pd is version 0.40.3, and I'm running debian/linux...
> > > >
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Re: [PD] making more rradical objects

[Kevin McCoy]

Hey Luke, that would be great if you could show me some of that, I would
really appreciate it.

Thanks,
Kevin

On 9/17/07, Luke Iannini (pd) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hi Kevin,For this in rradical/memento I added a "save-bang" to [careGUI],
> and had that dump the tables as lists into communs just before the data was
> written.  On load i'd measure the list length, resize the table and dump it
> back in - it worked great.  It's been a while since I've had time to even
> open Pd, but if you need me to show an example I'd be more than happy to use
> it as an excuse to do so : ).
>
> Cheers
> Luke
>
> On 9/16/07, Kevin McCoy < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Last question - what about persistent arrays in abstractions?  Any
> > advice about that?  Some of my GOPs are table/array based, often for
> > drawable control data..  I don't think I saw anything about this yet.  I am
> > willing to give a shot at developing something for it if it is not included
> > yet.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> > On 9/16/07, Frank Barknecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hallo,
> > > Michal Seta hat gesagt: // Michal Seta wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sorry, I am not Frank but I think I know the answer to this issue:
> > > >
> > > > 1.  Open an existing rrad abstraction
> > > > 2.  Replace GUI and non-rrad guts with your own.  (leave [pd
> > > memento]
> > > > and boxes connected to it intact)
> > > > 3.  Set up appropriate send/receive in GUIs and whatnot.
> > > > 4.  Open [pd memento], find the communs sends and replace them with
> > > your own.
> > > > 5. enjo.
> > >
> > > Yep, that's basically it. The basic rules are this:
> > >
> > > * Put an object [originator $1 $0] into your abstraction.
> > >
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> > >   with something useful.
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Re: [PD] making more rradical objects

[Kevin McCoy]

Last question - what about persistent arrays in abstractions?  Any advice
about that?  Some of my GOPs are table/array based, often for drawable
control data..  I don't think I saw anything about this yet.  I am willing
to give a shot at developing something for it if it is not included yet.

Thanks again!
Kevin


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>
> Hallo,
> Michal Seta hat gesagt: // Michal Seta wrote:
>
> > Sorry, I am not Frank but I think I know the answer to this issue:
> >
> > 1.  Open an existing rrad abstraction
> > 2.  Replace GUI and non-rrad guts with your own.  (leave [pd memento]
> > and boxes connected to it intact)
> > 3.  Set up appropriate send/receive in GUIs and whatnot.
> > 4.  Open [pd memento], find the communs sends and replace them with your
> own.
> > 5. enjo.
>
> Yep, that's basically it. The basic rules are this:
>
> * Put an object [originator $1 $0] into your abstraction.
>
> * connect the leftmost inlets and outlets of that originator to the
>   leftmost inlets and outlets of your abstraction. (That's just a
>   convention, though.)
>
> * For everthing you want to save, create a [commun /NAME $0] object
>   and cross-connect its inlets and outlets to the thing you want to
>   save, either a $0-local send/receive or directly. Replace "/NAME"
>   with something useful.
>
>   By cross-connect I mean, that you should connect the outlets of an
>   object whose state you want to save to the inlet of the commun and
>   the inlets to the outlets of commun.
>
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> --
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Re: [PD] making more rradical objects

[Kevin McCoy]

Michal, thanks for the info - I will give that a shot.  Hopefully using
rradical will do good things for my work!

k


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>
> Sorry, I am not Frank but I think I know the answer to this issue:
>
> 1.  Open an existing rrad abstraction
> 2.  Replace GUI and non-rrad guts with your own.  (leave [pd memento]
> and boxes connected to it intact)
> 3.  Set up appropriate send/receive in GUIs and whatnot.
> 4.  Open [pd memento], find the communs sends and replace them with your
> own.
> 5. enjo.
>
> On 9/16/07, Kevin McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hey Frank,
> >
> > Are there any tutorials or documentation on how to make a rradical gop
> > abstraction?  I would like to integrate some of my existing GOPs (and
> design
> > some new ones) with this system so they can have integrated parameter
> > control, state saving + etc.  Any info appreciated - I have read the
> paper
> > already which gives the general idea but before I go digging around I
> was
> > wondering if there was anything already.
> >
> > Also I think loading presets hangs my pd at this point, but I will post
> > again when I have time to isolate the problem more.
> >
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[PD] making more rradical objects

[Kevin McCoy]

Hey Frank,

Are there any tutorials or documentation on how to make a rradical gop
abstraction?  I would like to integrate some of my existing GOPs (and design
some new ones) with this system so they can have integrated parameter
control, state saving + etc.  Any info appreciated - I have read the paper
already which gives the general idea but before I go digging around I was
wondering if there was anything already.

Also I think loading presets hangs my pd at this point, but I will post
again when I have time to isolate the problem more.

Thanks,
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Re: [PD] pddp drafts

[Kevin McCoy]

Agreed as well - I hate opening a help patch and having to track down
and enable libraries and restart pd.  Honestly, though I am uninformed about
this kind of stuff, couldn't the more useful objects from zexy be included
in core pd?  What threshold does an object or lib have to cross before it is
included in pd-vanilla?  I know the iem gui objects started out as externals
right?  And I also know that there was a decision somewhere to include many
cyclone objects starting with pd-0.40 (i think..?)

Just curious :)
Kevin


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> i agree with frank.
>
> no way should help patches rely on externals.
>
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Re: [PD] midi interpolation

[Kevin McCoy]

I would also suggest this as a possible point of interest - I wanted
something when the interpolation time was variable as well.  For example,
when I turned my rotary control just one notch after a certain period of
inactivity, I didn't want it to have the same quick interpolation time as
when I was making more dramatic gestures.  I implemented a [timer] object
with two [spigot]s flicking back and forth to its inlets to see how long it
was taking between the last value change, and set this as the interpolation
time for [line~], but [clip]ped the min/maximum interpolation time to
between 10 and 1000 ms.  In this way, faster gestures would respond quickly
and not suffer the lack of responsiveness caused by a lengthy interpolation,
and small gestures taking a long time between changes would transition more
smoothly instead of jumping with an interpolation time that was too short.

Depending on context, this may or may not be useful :)

I hope this makes sense!
Kevin


On 9/15/07, Kyle Klipowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I would do as suggested by Frank but add also:
>
> [/ 127]
> |  [float \ (here you can set the interpolation time
> in ms)
> | /
> [line f 200]
> |
> [any object from the mapping library]
>
> The mapping library has some great curves that are normalized to the
> interval [0, 1]. This way your interpolation can be less linear if you
> wish to have a more exponential or other sort of curve.
>
> ~Kyle
>
>
>
> On 9/15/07, Frank Barknecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hallo,
> > Conor J Curran hat gesagt: // Conor J Curran wrote:
> >
> > > does anyone know of a midi interpolator object. A external which will
> > > extend the range of midi from 0 .. 127 to for example 0 .. 1000 by
> > > interpolating between the values in pd. Obviously introducing a one
> > > 'value' delay but overall giving the expression a finer resolution.
> > > Linear interpolation would do fine? Any ideas?
> >
> >   [/ 127]
> >   |
> >   [* 1000]
> >
> > ?
> >
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Re: [PD] PD 0.39.3-extended-rc5 pretty solid?

[Kevin McCoy]

Hi Phil,

I know Hans is probably the person who needs to answer this with any
authority, but I think rc5 is totally rippin'... for general use it almost
never crashes for me on linux (this depends on what libs you load and use
though, naturally).  And it has that sexy Deja Vu Sans Mono font!

If your novices will be using different OSes, in my experience pd-extended
is probably the simplest way to get around the potential headaches.  Your
other options would be putting together packages (zip files?) of the
binaries (you would have to have them for each architecture in use) or going
with the crusty crustacean 0.38-4 extended.

Kevin


On 9/14/07, Phil Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Hans,
>
> I'm refactoring the synthesizer I released a couple of weeks ago
> (polywavesynth  -- no more camels, Frank!), and I very much want to use
> Mr. Peach's OSC object, which are rolled into 0.39.3-ex-rc5.  I'm
> wondering if it's wise, at this point, to require 0.39.3-ex-rc5 for my
> synth?  It seems pretty stable -- it's just that it's still in
> autobuilds and I don't know if it needs to be frozen before I should
> specify it -- keeping in mind that it might be novices downloading and
> using this rc5.
>
> I'm also eagerly following the 0.40 autobuilds (or was, until the
> MacIntel machine disappeared :-) ), and look forward to a stable release
> there - but I suppose that's a bit further away, eh?
>
> Thanks for what you do with PD-extended; there wouldn't be a chance of
> an object like polywavesynth being usable by novices without it.
>
>
> Phil Stone
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Re: [PD] I need an mp3 player for pd

[Kevin McCoy]

Hi David,

You could try [readanysf~]  - I like that one!

Good luck,
Kevin

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>
> Hi there,
>
>I'm trying to use the mp3play~ object from the iemlib library on a
> win2k system, but I keep on getting a "Layer II not supported" error
> message, whatever mp3 I feed it with, even if soundforge says it's layer
> III. WHat should I do? Is it a bug or am I missing something? Does anyone
> know of another mp3 player in another library? Thank you.
>
>
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Re: [PD] (OT) periodic jack xruns in every 20 minutes

[Kevin McCoy]

If I made a guess I would check disks spinning up/down, power management
settings, things of that nature which may not necessarily show in the CPU...
but this is a really uneducated guess.  Like Roman said though, I would also
be glad to only have xruns every 20 minutes!  Do you get xruns without any
apps running and just jack?

Kevin


On 9/7/07, Batuhan Bozkurt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello, I have this strange issue. Jack reports an xrun in every exact 20
> minutes:
>
>  alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 1.703 msecs
> 18:59:17.219 XRUN callback (1).
>  alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.134 msecs
> 19:29:16.764 XRUN callback (2).
>  alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.511 msecs
> 19:49:16.459 XRUN callback (3).
>  alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 0.828 msecs
> 21:09:15.244 XRUN callback (4).
>
> I think it is something that is scheduled in system. However there is i
> indication of any kind of load at that instant, this also happens when
> the computer look and feels fully idle.
>
> I'm running Ubuntu Feisty with low latency kernel. What can it be? Any
> suggestions?
>
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Re: [PD] playback noise with video

[Kevin McCoy]

>
> the solution is to use 2 instances of pd:
> pd -noaudio for gem.
> pd -rt for audio.
>
> for communication between audio & video i used netsend / netreceive or you
> can use OSC.


Wow, that sounds like a major irritation.  How about increasing the buffer
size of the audio?  I don't know if that helps or would be at an acceptable
level for live work...

Kevin
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Re: [PD] vbap and matrix external

[Kevin McCoy]

> i do not conisider it deprecated.



Ah, sorry about that - I guess I made a mistake there.

merci,
Kevin
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Re: [PD] vbap and matrix external

[Kevin McCoy]

Hi Hector,

As far as I remember, the correct one to use is [mtx_mul] and
[mtx_mul~]; as IOhannes told me, [matrix] & etc is deprecated if I
remember correctly.  The correct ones are from the excellent iemmatrix
library.

I think the vbap directory is the more recent one which should be
Ville Pulkki's work.  Have a look at the documentation in there.

Hope this helps,
Kevin


On 8/28/07, Hector Centeno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to get vbap working using Linux Fedora 7/Planet CCRMA. I'm using
> the Planet's packages which are version 0.39.2. First I found vbap in two
> different places:
>
> /usr/lib/pd/extra/vbap
> /usr/lib/pd/extra/ggee
>
> What is the difference?
> So I tried with the vbap directory. When trying to load the demo I struggled
> with finding matrix and matrix~. There are externals named like this in
> different directories:
>
> /usr/lib/pd/extra/cyclone/matrix~.pd_linux
> /usr/lib/pd/extra/flatspace/matrix.pd_linux
> /usr/lib/pd/extra/flatspace/matrix~.pd_linux
> /usr/lib/pd/extra/creb/matrix~.pd_linux
>
> Does anyone know which ones are the right ones to use? I managed to get the
> demo loaded and running using the matrix in flatspace and matrix~ in cyclone
> but I can't get any audio output. I'm fairly new to PD so some help would be
> appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: [PD] vst~

[Kevin McCoy]

But you can use [dssi~] if you would like to try out some free LADSPA plugins.

cheahs,
Kevin

On 8/23/07, Thomas Grill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Matthew,
> no wonder, vst~ hasn't been ported to OS X yet.
> best greetings,
> Thomas
>
>
> Am 21.08.2007 um 21:53 schrieb Matthew Polashek:
>
> I can't seem to figure out how to get the vst~ working in OSX.  Any ideas?
>
>
>
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Re: [PD] Nothing shows up in pd main window

[Kevin McCoy]

So we will see anti-aliased fonts when tcl/tk8.5 is implemented??

Cool :)

Kevin

On 8/27/07, Andre Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-08-27 at 15:31 +0300, Batuhan Bozkurt wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm having an issue with my Pd version 0.39.3-extended-rc5 installation
> > in ubuntu feisty fawn.
> >
> > I was having no problems when suddenly the pd icon on my desktop refused
> > to launch pd properly. A blank pd window shows up:
> > http://www.batuhanbozkurt.com/stuff/pdblank.png
> >
> > Launching pd by pressing alt+f2 and writing "pd" yields to the same result.
> >
> > However if I launch pd from terminal by writing "pd", it launches fine.
> > But the menu fonts are garbled(which is the case in all tcl/tk
> > applications-not pd spesific).
> > http://www.batuhanbozkurt.com/stuff/pdfonts.png
> >
> > I think I'm having a problem with Tcl/Tk right? Any suggestions for this?
>
> yeah, the problem is that they are waiting with the release of tcl/tk8.5
> too long ;)
>
> joke aside, i assume the problem is that the font tk8.4 uses here
> (bitstream vera sans?) is not so optimal for not-antialised use (or
> tk8.4 doesnt render it not so nice)
>
> it looks ugly, but i assume it is normal...
>
> .andre
>
> ps. this is one of the reasons why i use tcl/tk8.5 from cvs for a long
> time already...
>
>
> >
> > Thanks.
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Re: [PD] some images...

[Kevin McCoy]

> (who's sad, that is already over)

Me too - it was a really awesome time and I am so thankful to all the
organizers and the great people we met.  Montreal is a really nice
place and I can't wait to come back.  I am going to be working on the
footage that I took with Greg Pond and we might have something to show
in the next couple of months, maybe sooner.  Should be fun.

And Roman, email me and let's do a NetPD jam when you have some time
back home!  I have been experimenting with the patches a little bit.

Kevin

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Re: [PD] documentation material for Pd related grants, funds, and prizes

[Kevin McCoy]

Yep, I would be happy to help out with this - Greg I was hoping you
would bring the camera anyway.  The two of us will be in touch about
this, but if you (the list) can think of people to track down we might
be able to find them and set up times.  With the convention coming up
in just a few days, we would really need help with getting some sort
of outline.  Both of us have only been using Pd for just over a year,
so those of you who have been using and developing in the last few
years could be a great help here.

We need to decide on some core topics to ask about - what do you guys
and gals think  needs to be covered in this brief documentary?  I have
some ideas but I would rather pose the question to the community at
this point.

I think it is well within our means to produce a short overview of
some important aspects of Pd, or at the very least to have footage and
material available when someone seeking resources needs it.

Kevin

On 8/17/07, Greg Pond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I will pack the gear. I have another friend who is coming too that
> studied video with me,  if he is willing to help, maybe between the
> two of us we can cover a good bit. I will be in a workshop and doing
> some other things to learn more about PD but I think this will  help
> me out a lot too. Please send suggestions for subjects/topics and help
> me make arrangements to connect with the appropriate folks if you can.
>
> greg
>
> On 8/17/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > That sounds awesome!  I think a little documentary video would be
> > quite nice to have.
> >
> > .hc
> >
> > On Aug 17, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Greg Pond wrote:
> >
> > > If there is enough interest to commit this to video, I could do a
> > > little shooting- just let me know and I will bring a camera and mic to
> > > Montreal. I will be there wed. evening through sat. morning. I am
> > > working on another documentary project right now and cannot commit to
> > > any reasonable schedule for editing or other post production but can
> > > hand over the tapes or work on it when my schedule opens up. I would
> > > want someone with more knowledge of the Pd world to help determine who
> > > and what to shoot and help with interviewing but I am happy to help
> > > out.
> > >
> > > greg
> > >
> > > On 8/16/07, marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > >> like
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> > >> lead to
> > >> results...
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> > >> festival. I
> > >> am still not sure if Pd will fit in one of the categories, but I know
> > >> that you have to send a DVD about the project/community. maybe the
> > >> pdconv would be a good place for some interviews and shoot good
> > >> footage.
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> > >> should be
> > >> in charge of the pd community? like an official speaker, or a
> > >> table of
> > >> people. honestly I think no, but without that it will be more
> > >> difficult
> > >> to access some of the money. (does pd development need money at
> > >> all???...)
> > >>
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> > >> getting this done, filming, interviewing, cutting, writing, research.
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Re: [PD] $0 in messages (was: Re: difference send and using msg with "; ")

[Kevin McCoy]

How does the 4 digit number get assigned to $0?  I have always been
curious about this.

Kevin

On 8/16/07, Matteo Sisti Sette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> marius schebella wrote:
>
> > it is a pity that there is no $0 in messages. that would help so much!
>
> > I use local send/receive like s $0-blabla. with
> > messages you always have to mess with workaounds to achieve the same
> > result.
> > marius.
>
>
> Yeah, and the very same happens when you use [send/receive $1-blabla] and
> you need to change it into a message box.
>
> I personally think it is a pitty that message boxes use $'s with a different
> meaning than objects; it would be far more elegant (in my opinion obviously)
> if message-arguments used a different symbol, and if the $n in a message box
> referred to the n-th argument of the patch, not the message; that would
> include $0.
> That's how max works (if I'm not confused), where I think # refers to patch
> creation arguments and $ refers to message arguments (though probably max
> doesn't have a #0, does it?)
>
> That's the ONLY one thing I like more in max than in PD... up to now.
>
>
> The only way of introducing such a facility without breaking
> backward-compatibility (or is it forward?), would be to introduce a "third"
> symbol, say "@" (well it should be one that is currently not allowed in
> messages): @n if used inside a message, would refer to the "$n" of the patch
> (including @0), and outside a message box, i.e. in an object, it would be a
> synonim of $n.
>
> Is this nonsense?
>
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Re: [PD] plugin~ state + wavetables

[Kevin McCoy]

Look at [dssi~] as well

It can also handle ladspa plugins

Good luck,
Kevin


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> hi list
>
> 1st. what is happening with ladspa plugins loading thingy plugin~? it is
> crashing my pd-extended with "Segmentation fault (core dumped)" message
> (ubuntu-studio,  0.39.2-extended-rc4)
> 2nd. is there any "extra" tutorials,  patches... online about wavetables,
> arrays (beside the doc and help files).
>
> thanx
> nikola
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Re: [PD] xsample OsX i386

[Kevin McCoy]

Last time I checked you have to install all the xcode tools off the
apple dvd.  This will give you pretty much everything you need,
library dependencies can be handled by a program called Fink.  See
other posts about these issues

Good luck :)
k

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> Anyone have a copy of xsample compiled for OsX i386?
> If not, how does one compile stuff on OsX. I usually work on Linux, but are
> all the compilation tools, headers, etc already installed on OsX or do I
> have to get them somewhere?
>
> Thanks for the help
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[PD] what is ionizer?

[Kevin McCoy]

Hi list,

I keep reading about this fabled "ionizer" fft patch for Max/MSP and
everyone seems to think it's super, calling it an old favorite and
such.  However, I can't seem find any info, only references to it...
anybody know what it is, what kind of signal processing it did?

Thanks!
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[PD] console focus after soundfiler load

[Kevin McCoy]

Hi all,

I would like to make a small request for pd for linux, but I wanted to
post to the list before putting it on the tracker as a bug or feature
request - could it be made so that when you load a sample with
soundfiler, the console window does not get the focus after loading
the file?  This is no small irritation when loading multiple samples,
and if one is not running in verbose mode, there's not even any useful
information provided by the console.

I am running ubuntu studio 7.04 with gnome/fluxbox.  I know that the
only message that comes back from a soundfiler load in verbose is that
it was successful.  Other messages, however, don't cause the console
to get focus - they simply appear in the terminal in the background.
Is there a workaround for this, or can it be addressed in the code?
Was it done on purpose, perhaps?

I have tested this with 39-2 extended and Miller's 0.40-2, but perhaps
the request could apply for all versions of pd on linux.  This never
seemed to be an issue on OS X when I was using that.  I personally
don't think the console should ever be forced to the front of the
screen after startup, but should rather run quietly in the background,
available for reference when it is called upon.

Thanks!
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Free GNU/Linux audio + live impro workshop in San Sebastian 18-20 July 2007

[Kevin McCoy]

Your American brothers and sisters, who live in a vast country with
very few pd-related events, wonder if there will be any documentation
of this workshop?  Sounds like it will be a good time!!

k

On 7/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> sorry for >< please >>
>
> (english version at the end of the mail)
>
> -
>
> (FR)
>
> *Workshop Linux Audio et Improvisation Musicale*
> par Ixi Software et GOTO10
>
> Intervenants: Enrike Hurtado, Aymeric Mansoux et Marloes de Valk
> Date: Mercredi 18 - Vendredi 20 Juillet 2007
> Horaire: 11:00 - 17:00
> Lieu: Arteleku, San Sebastian, Pays Basque
> Tarif: Gratuit!
>
> Réservation: ce workshop est ouvert à toute personne ayant des
> connaissances de base en informatique. Attention, le nombre de places
> disponibles est limité!
> Pour vous inscrire, remplissez le formulaire en ligne
> http://tinyurl.com/yrzg3p ou téléphonez au +34 943 45 36 62
>
> matériel requis: aucun, mais si vous pouvez, il est recommandé d'amener
> votre laptop, vos instruments, micros, cartes sons, mixers, joystick
> USB, controleurs MIDI et casques !! :)
>
> Un atelier de 3 jours, pendant lequel seront explorés plusieurs
> logiciels libres pouvant être utilisés pour augmenter l'improvisation
> et le jeu musical d'une performance, par exemple, des effets temps-réel,
> des controlleurs MIDI, joysticks USB ou encore l'utilisation du
> logiciel Pure Data.
>
> L'atelier propose une introduction aux systèmes d'exploitation GNU/Linux
> orientés vers la production musicale pour instrumentistes. Il n'est pas
> requis de connaître GNU/Linux mais une connaissance générale en
> informatique ou MAO est fortement conseillée pour suivre l'atelier.
> Seront couverts, une introduction au monde audio sous GNU/Linux, ALSA et
> la configuration des cartes sons, l'utilisation de JACK pour partager
> les flux audio et MIDI, les effets audio temps-réels avec JACK RACK et
> LADSPA, les distributions GNU/Linux pour la production musicale, des
> recommandations pour construire un système GNU/Linux pour performances
> sonores et plus encore!
>
> Pour plus de détails et un planning détaillé de l'atelier:
> http://goto10.org/workshop-arteleku
>
> -
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> IMPORTANT: cet atelier sera conduit en anglais *uniquement* et traduit
> en espagnol si nécessaire. Cependant il sera possible de recevoir une
> aide détaillée durant les sessions pratiques en anglais, hollandais,
> français, espagnol et basque.
>
> -
>
> (EN)
>
> *Workshop Linux Audio and Live Impro*
> by Ixi Software and GOTO10
>
> Teachers: Enrike Hurtado, Aymeric Mansoux and Marloes de Valk
> Date: Wednesday 18 - Friday 20 July 2007
> Time: 11:00 - 17:00
> Location: Arteleku, San Sebastian, Basque country
> Price: FREE
>
> Booking: this workshop is open for everyone. Basic knowledge of
> computers is required. There is a limited number of places!
> To book, please fill in the online form http://tinyurl.com/yrzg3p
> or call +34 943 45 36 62
>
> Prerequisites: not mandatory but if you can, bring your laptop,
> instruments, microphones, soundcards, mixers, USB joysticks,
> MIDI controlers and headphones !! :)
>
> A three day course exploring free and open source software available
> for live improvisation purposes such as real-time audio effects,
> controlers, audio and midi processing, as well as the creative
> possibilities of Pure Data in a live setup.
>
> The workshop is an introduction to GNU/Linux and audio for
> instrumentalists. No previous knowledge of GNU/Linux is needed but a
> basic knowledge of computers is! We'll cover an introduction to
> GNU/Linux and all the classic software required for live purposes.
> Topics will include: an introduction to Linux audio, ALSA and
> soundcard configuration, using JACK to share audio and midi, real-time
> audio effects with JACK Rack and LADSPA, Linux audio distributions,
> how to set up a good working live audio station, and more!
>
> For more details and a course schedule, see:
> http://goto10.org/workshop-arteleku
>
> -
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Re: [PD] Poll: Ctrl-click to toggle editmode

[Kevin McCoy]

Why not, as long as ctrl-e still works as well?  I can't think of any
problems from my end since ctrl click doesn't do anything on linux I
don't think.  Maybe some people will think this is an instance of
feature creep though.

I am really digging the changes you are making to the interface, the
vera sans font layout in particular.  My little dream right now would
be a partnership between desiredata and pd extended, as implausible as
that might sound - has the thought ever crossed your mind for a future
release?  Just thought I would ask ;)

Kevin

On 7/9/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hey all,
>
> I just quickly banged out a little hack to make Cmd-Click toggle
> editmode on the Mac.  This is how it works on Max/MSP and it's a
> handy shortcut.  It would be trivial for me to add this to Windows
> and GNU/Linux using Ctrl-Click.
>
> Yes or no?  What do you think? Any potential problems?
>
> (I know on Mac OS X, Ctrl-Click is mapped to right-click so that you
> can get the properties/help menu using a one button mouse).
>
> .hc
>
>
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Re: [PD] pd-ext 39-2 rc4 (deb package) crashing with gop editing

[Kevin McCoy]

> Does the bug happen in Miller's 0.39.2?  Or Pd-extended 0.40.2?

Yes, it happens in both vanilla 0.39-2 and extended 0.40.2 as far as I
can tell.  I am cc'ing this to Yves as well since I thought he might
want to know about it, and I am going to post the bug report on
sourceforge right now.

So here's what it looks like as far as I can tell - if [playlist] has
a message box connected to its inlet when it appears in a GOP
abstraction, it causes a crash upon closing the patch and discarding
the changes.  There may be more to it than that but I think I at least
have this narrowed down.

I am also going to create a bug report for the [vectral~] issue since
that is also really important to my work.

Thanks for all that you do,
Kevin


 Seems that it's a particular gop I have that is causing the
> > crash.  Within that gop, what is causing the crash is yves' playlist
> > object having a message box attached to it.
> >
> > I have attached a stripped down version of the gop to demonstrate the
> > error.  It seems that what causes the error, at least for me, is
> > having any kind of message box connected to the [playlist] object,
> > then closing the patch and saying yes to discarding the changes.  I
> > have attached the example.  In its current state it will not crash pd
> > after you create it and close the window.  Connect any of the message
> > boxes or the toggle, save it, create it again and it will give you the
> > crash when you close the window - at least it does for me.  I should
> > also note that it only happens when this is a gop.  I tried connecting
> > a message box to a playlist object in a normal patch and it didn't
> > crash when I closed it and discarded changes.
> >
> > This is a weird bug.  As for the logic on why this crashes I have no
> > idea.  Please let me know if there are any log files I can check to
> > clarify this for you.  In miller's 0.40, the crash doesn't happen at
> > all with the gop abstraction.
> >
> > I am sorry to take two emails to get this right (twice really because
> > my last bug rept about vectral~ needed clarification as well).  From
> > here on I will think twice or thrice and hone my deductive reasoning
> > before posting about bugs.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> > On 7/8/07, Kevin McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Hi Hans,
> >>
> >> I think that this version is crashing when I edit a patch that uses
> >> gops, and then close the window - it asks if I want to discard the
> >> changes, and I click yes, then it closes out pd entirely.  This only
> >> appears to happen when the main patch involves gops - not when it's
> >> just regular objects I think.  I don't think I noticed this with
> >> rc3 -
> >> did you ever answer my last question (sorry if it didn't get through
> >> to you) which was whether this debian packaged rc4 included code
> >> updates over rc3 or whether it is rc4 by virtue of being a deb
> >> package
> >> alone?
> >>
> >> The package is totally sweet, it integrates so much more nicely in
> >> the
> >> system, but I am restarting pd a lot these days because of this
> >> little
> >> bug ;)  I am working almost exclusively with gops now.
> >>
> >> Is there a log or a way I can maybe give you some more useful info
> >> aside from my personal testimony?  Can anyone else verify this?
> >>
> >> Kevin
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[PD] pd-ext 39-2 rc4 (deb package) crashing with gop editing

[Kevin McCoy]

Hi Hans,

I think that this version is crashing when I edit a patch that uses
gops, and then close the window - it asks if I want to discard the
changes, and I click yes, then it closes out pd entirely.  This only
appears to happen when the main patch involves gops - not when it's
just regular objects I think.  I don't think I noticed this with rc3 -
did you ever answer my last question (sorry if it didn't get through
to you) which was whether this debian packaged rc4 included code
updates over rc3 or whether it is rc4 by virtue of being a deb package
alone?

The package is totally sweet, it integrates so much more nicely in the
system, but I am restarting pd a lot these days because of this little
bug ;)  I am working almost exclusively with gops now.

Is there a log or a way I can maybe give you some more useful info
aside from my personal testimony?  Can anyone else verify this?

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Re: [PD] pd-ext 39-2 rc4 (deb package) crashing with gop editing

[Kevin McCoy]

I am so sorry, I have sort of misreported here.. I have narrowed it
down now.  Seems that it's a particular gop I have that is causing the
crash.  Within that gop, what is causing the crash is yves' playlist
object having a message box attached to it.

I have attached a stripped down version of the gop to demonstrate the
error.  It seems that what causes the error, at least for me, is
having any kind of message box connected to the [playlist] object,
then closing the patch and saying yes to discarding the changes.  I
have attached the example.  In its current state it will not crash pd
after you create it and close the window.  Connect any of the message
boxes or the toggle, save it, create it again and it will give you the
crash when you close the window - at least it does for me.  I should
also note that it only happens when this is a gop.  I tried connecting
a message box to a playlist object in a normal patch and it didn't
crash when I closed it and discarded changes.

This is a weird bug.  As for the logic on why this crashes I have no
idea.  Please let me know if there are any log files I can check to
clarify this for you.  In miller's 0.40, the crash doesn't happen at
all with the gop abstraction.

I am sorry to take two emails to get this right (twice really because
my last bug rept about vectral~ needed clarification as well).  From
here on I will think twice or thrice and hone my deductive reasoning
before posting about bugs.

Kevin


On 7/8/07, Kevin McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Hans,

I think that this version is crashing when I edit a patch that uses
gops, and then close the window - it asks if I want to discard the
changes, and I click yes, then it closes out pd entirely.  This only
appears to happen when the main patch involves gops - not when it's
just regular objects I think.  I don't think I noticed this with rc3 -
did you ever answer my last question (sorry if it didn't get through
to you) which was whether this debian packaged rc4 included code
updates over rc3 or whether it is rc4 by virtue of being a deb package
alone?

The package is totally sweet, it integrates so much more nicely in the
system, but I am restarting pd a lot these days because of this little
bug ;)  I am working almost exclusively with gops now.

Is there a log or a way I can maybe give you some more useful info
aside from my personal testimony?  Can anyone else verify this?

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Re: [PD] envgen help file

[Kevin McCoy]

Yeah I remember it being a real pain to figure out.. Thanks Hans!

k

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>
> Hey all,
>
> I just figured out how to save state using the nice little GUI:
> [envgen] from ggee.  I attached the helpfile.  The sad thing is the
> functionality has been there for years, it was just never documented...
>
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Re: [PD] debian/ubuntu package for Pd-extended

[Kevin McCoy]

Does this include any updates to the code since rc3, or is it only rc4
by virtue of being a deb package?

Thanks!
k

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>
> Hey all,
>
> I am here in Zaragoza, Spain at the gohan workshop.  I am impressed
> by how many people here are running Debian/Ubuntu.  It was the most
> popular OS at the workshop!  This also made me realize what a mess
> that Pd-extended installer was.  So here is my first attempt to
> rectify the situation, I made a .deb.  Please test it out:
>
> http://idmi.poly.edu/pdlab/Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc4/Pd-0.39.2-extended-
> rc4.deb
>
> A couple notes:
>
> - it installs into /usr/local so you can have it installed at the
> same time as the "puredata" Debian package
>
> - it should automatically install all dependencies except "liblame0"
> since that is not included in normal Debian (AFAIK)
>
> - it should install a GNOME/KDE menu item in "Sound & Video" with a
> pretty icon, please tell me if that doesn't work
>
> Anyone know how to handle file associations with GNOME?  I would like
> to add that.
>
> .hc
>
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Re: [PD] [ot][hardware] mini-itx

[Kevin McCoy]

> I'm currently shopping around for a small motherboard that I can put in
> a "headless" (no screen, mouse, keyboard) box as a laptop replacement
> for live performance.

This sounds really interesting, but I guess I am not grasping the
particulars of it... how does this work for performance?  Do you do
all the programming beforehand and have it load a couple of patches on
startup that have built in spots for external control??  Would love to
see some vids or more pics

K

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] DesireData 2007.06.27

[Kevin McCoy]

Yo dd,

I am really excited to try desiredata, looks like everything compiled
ok, did a make install and messed up my existing pd install I guess :)
I should have read more carefully before make install.

Anyway now I am getting a "can't connect.. wait a second" error in the
console after desire starts with an error in the terminal:
"/usr/local/bin/pd: error while loading shared libraries: libpd.so:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"

libpd.so is in /usr/local/lib

Any ideas on how to get it connected and usable? I am on Ubuntu Studio 7.04

Thanks,
Kevin

On 6/27/07, Mathieu Bouchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://artengine.ca/desiredata/download/desiredata-2007.06.27.tar.gz
>
> This release marks the return of DesireData after essentially five months
> of absence. Almost all changes of this release have been made prior to
> mid-January. This release also is the first to not be labeled with
> traditional version numbers like "0.40.pre242".
>
> ChangeLog:
>
>   * merged new loader from Miller's pd 0.40-2
>   * merged (but not tested) the rest of the [declare] code from pd 0.40-2
>   * added gensym2 (support for NUL in symbols)
>   * most of the code now uses C++,PD_PLUSPLUS_FACE,class_new2,etc
>   * auto show/hide scrollbars
>   * menu bar can be disabled
>   * new Find widget (FireFox style)
>   * added "subpatcherize" (turn a selection into a subpatch)
>   * IEMGUI can now by controled with keyboard
>   * more general keyboard control
>   * merged t_alist and t_binbuf together and aliased them to t_list
>   * delay uploading until #X restore or #X pop
>   * don't upload all abstractions instances to client (much faster)
>   * introduced zombie objects to deal with dead objects
>   * Command evaluator per canvas window
>   * Added locale for Euskara (Basque) by Ibon Rodriguez Garcia
>   * PureUnity is now part of the DesireData project (but is designed to
> run also on Miller's 0.40).
>   * added -port option in desire.tk so that server and client may
> be started separately.
>   * PureUnity has type suffixes for some class families; for each $1 in
> f,~,# (float,signal,grid) there is [inlet.$1] [outlet.$1] [taa.$1]
> [op2.$1] [rand.$1] [norm.$1] [swap.$1] [packunpack3.$1]
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Re: [PD] pd-extended 39-2 rc3 spectral crash

[Kevin McCoy]

Oh sorry, [>~] is from zexy.. it outputs a binary signal, either a 1
or 0 voltage.  Handy for gating if you can use attack/release
afterward.. does that help?  My other patch, a vocoder, did not use
this object but still crashed after a few minutes - the common object
is vectral~.

Kevin

On 6/26/07, simon wise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> it doesn't crash here:
>
> 0.40.2-extended on OSX10.4.8 PPC
>
> [vectral~] creates fine, no crash, but [>~ ] just above it does not,
> and I can't find it in any of the help files - do you mean [max~ ]?
>
>
> simon
>
> On 26 Jun 2007, at 4:51 AM, Kevin McCoy wrote:
>
> > OK - I finally got the patch open and removed the vectral~ part.
> > Played with it for about 20 minutes and no crash.  It seems that is
> > what is causing the problem insofar as I can tell because with
> > vectral~, it crashes almost immediately.
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Re: [PD] pd-extended 39-2 rc3 spectral crash

[Kevin McCoy]

Find out about vectral~?  Max-msp documentation and google treachery.
I was looking for spectral attack/release...  About it being included
in Pd vanilla >=.40?  I guess I just opened my patches there and, lo
and behold, the object created and worked with no libs loaded!  I
guess there was a decision somewhere to include some or all of the
cyclone objects.  I am not a part of the dev community though, so it
is speculation :)

It's really one of my favorite objects though, it makes fft work sound
much more elegant and beautiful.

Kevin

On 6/25/07, Steffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On 25/06/2007, at 20.51, Kevin McCoy wrote:
>
> > and for what it's worth is included standard in pd >=.40
>
> Nice find. Diff'ing the source or how did you find out about it, if i
> may ask?
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Re: [PD] pd-extended 39-2 rc3 spectral crash

[Kevin McCoy]

OK - I finally got the patch open and removed the vectral~ part.
Played with it for about 20 minutes and no crash.  It seems that is
what is causing the problem insofar as I can tell because with
vectral~, it crashes almost immediately.  My reasoning could be flawed
here though?  Hans, I know you mentioned to me that the fix you did to
get del/sqrt working had to do with vectorization... does vectral~
then need a fix for that reason?  It is from the cyclone lib, and for
what it's worth is included standard in pd >=.40

It's an important component for spectral work because it allows
attack/release on the bins, making a much smoother and natural
sounding effect for vocoding, gating, and other fft-based
transformation.  I am not a C programmer, but let me know if I can
help in any other way.

Kevin

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[PD] pd-extended 39-2 rc3 spectral crash

[Kevin McCoy]

Hans, list,

I was thrilled to hear that delay objects and sqrt~ objects were fixed
for rc3.  While it seems the delay objects are fine, when I am doing
my spectral/vocoding work, pd will freeze and lock up my whole machine
- I don't hear the cpu go up or anything, everything just stops
responding entirely.  My only choice is to restart.  I am using the
rc3 for Ubuntu Edgy, I think, on Ubuntu Studio Feisty 7.04

I am having a hard time narrowing it down to a specific object/issue.
I have attached my specgate~ gop which causes the crash every time
within about 10 seconds.  Could other linux or pd-ext users please
test this?  I can't get any crash logs it seems because the whole
computer locks up and becomes unresponsive - a rather nasty bug.  I
don't see anything in the terminal even with -verbose.

It shouldn't be with the gui objects because i have many others that
work totally fine.  My vocoding abstraction produces the same lock-up,
but not as quickly it seems.  So I suspect it is either with vectral~
(from cyclone) or the q8_sqrt~ object.  I cannot be sure though
because most of the time it crashes before I can change anything.  I
am not so proficient at text editing pd patches :)

I am still relatively new to linux so if anyone knows a way to reclaim
the machine when X stops responding and won't let you switch to other
terminals or ctrl-alt-backspace, let me know.  Maybe I could get some
better info then and save myself a couple minutes from having to
restart.

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Re: [PD] sCrAmBlEd?HaCkZ! any news?

[Kevin McCoy]

He could just give it to other people who would be more interested in
cleaning it up and releasing it.  At least the guy has a good sense of humor
though :)

k


On 6/19/07, David Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Looks like the code is still unreleased based on Sven's website. I'd
also love to try playing with scrambled hackz, dope concept! ~David

On 6/19/07, Steffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 19/06/2007, at 14.15, patrick wrote:
>
> > ping sven
>
> Not long ago there was an announcement sent to this list about "A
> Hack A Day" which featured Sven talking about Scrambled Hackz,
> according to the program notes cf. http://www.dock18.ch/ahackaday.html
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Re: [PD] sequencer with microedit

[Kevin McCoy]

If you are planning on saving and loading, I think [textfile] or [qlist]
would be better; aside from that I don't think it matters?

What do you mean by microedit?  Sounds intriguing :)

Kevin

On 6/10/07, Kuba Szczypek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi all, it`s my first post on this great place!

I would like to ask Masters of PD: if I need build PD based sequencer
(with microedit, track names, volume mute pan loop points ) is
better to use data arrays or qlist for store events? What is the best
for do this sequencer?
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Re: [PD] isn't the GUI supposed to have lower priority than process?

[Kevin McCoy]

Just a note: Many people all over the world are using Pd in live
performances, which proves that it is a suitable tool for this.
That's it's not bug-free and has room for improvements is a different
story.



Agreed!

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Re: [PD] [OT] M$ invents the reacTable

[Kevin McCoy]

Yeah I like the way both Apple and MS are trying to claim the multitouch
thing (Microsoft coming in after Apple, as per usual)... who was behind that
one gentleman's video where he did the big multitouch demo at some
conference?  I'm being really vague here because the video was so popular...
he said he was with NYU I believe, but I wonder if a corporation was funding
that multitouch research.

Tired of hearing about "revolutionary" products, but I am a little excited
about the eventual prospect of ditching the keyboard and mouse.

cheers
Kevin

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Matteo Sisti Sette wrote:
> Though I'm a big fan of Reactable, and quite not a fan of Microsoft, and
> though I do recognize the similarities, I don't think the creators of
> Reactable invented computer vision, nor the idea of a touch display.
>
>
I know. I know.

I was just making a joke of how most people will believe they (M$)
invented it.

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Re: [PD] puredata evolution

[Kevin McCoy]

The gui needs work - do you mean we need more/better looking gui objects?
When I was working on OS X, I couldn't really use very many gui objects at
once because of Apple's crappy closed implementation of tcl/tk; the lag was
terrible.  Pd devs can't really do anything about that (though it is a huge
problem).  A significant portion of pd users are on OS X.

Pd's gui definitely does need work, but without a clear roadmap it will be
hard to say what priority that is, right?  Watching that google talk has me
thinking about all kinds of things.

Kevin

On 5/28/07, Damian Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Roman Haefeli wrote:
> was it that, what you meant by a 'focus'?

for me, the biggest issue is with the UI. almost none of the points in
src/notes.txt deal with the GUI, and certainly there is no talk at all of
gui improvements.

to me the engine works fine - i mean, pd crashes sometimes but this is
usually due to missing or broken externals than to do with anything in the
engine.

it is the gui that needs work. i would like to work on this but i don't
know where to start.

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Re: [PD] (no subject)

[Kevin McCoy]

If you're just getting started with Pd, it might be a good idea to use the
[susloop~] external because it also allows for dynamic pitch shift, the math
for which can be tricky (though apparently someone just got it down on their
own recently if I recall from a previous post).  Are you using Pd-extended?
It has this object included by default in the bsaylor library.  Look into
the documentation, it's a really handy one, I have attached my GUI for it
which you can use by putting the attached file into your "extra" directory
and then typing "susloopgui~" to create the object.

As for intervals like 1/4, etc... use [key] or [keyname].  [key] will give
you the numeric keycode for a keyboard press; using [sel] you can then do
the appropriate math based on which key is pressed.  Again I don't know how
new you are to pd, but proficiency with sends and receives, hot and cold
inlets using trigger, etc will be really helpful in getting all to work
properly as far as the math goes.

For setting tempo, you will need to calculate the total length of the sample
and divide it accordingly.  With susloop~ you give it a beginning and end
point in samples (as in the actual pieces of data, not soundfiles), so you
could say that a quarternote at 120 BPM with a samplerate of 44100 samples
per second would be 22050 samples long, right?  Thus an eighth note is
11025, and so on with division.

The attached gui has the sliders implemented.  I hope that this helps a
little bit!

Good luck,
Kevin

On 5/28/07, Zeitler Andreas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi

I have some newbie questions about Pd. I wanted to write a Patch
which is based on this one (maybe):
http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-643-sample-player
The mentioned Sample Player has 2 Sliders which control the Start-/
End-Loop position which is the exact thing what i was looking for.

What i want to do:
I want to make a patch, a sample player. When i press a button i want
to loop the actual sample position according to the key i have pressed.

I give you an example. I load a loop which is 120 BPM fast. I set
somewhere my tempo. When i press "a" it starts looping 1/4th at the
actual play position.

For this sort of thing. The Sample Player seems to be perfect. But
now there are the difficulties.

- How can i set the tempo right? I figured out how to calculate the
tempo for any note length.
- How can i get my keyboard entries into the software?
- And lust but not least. How can i get the Patch to act how i would
like.

I know...dumb question you know too. But maybe there is someone who
knows an answer.

Many, many thanks.

–––

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Re: [PD] Pd Music to create sound in an empty space

[Kevin McCoy]

Oh yeah... this is some really great stuff.  I would love to know what's
going on under the hood.  I think you just inspired me to get off my ass and
make some more stuff :)

cheers
Kevin

On 5/27/07, Luke Iannini (pd) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


(Sorry if this is a duplicate; the first time I sent it was when the
list was apparently having some technical difficulties, hence the
subject-line...)

My _!  The pd-list is silent, so here is some noise.

http://proyekto.net/?cat=5

All songs except those in "Processor" contain percussion produced by
my growing network of abstractions (called the "$#+ Suite").  It was
in a very early state in the first example (channinaleote), so perhaps
you can hear the patches becoming more sophisticated : ).

My melodic processors are getting closer; I'll post again when there
is some music that uses them (the idea for one is "real-time serial
transformations").

(pre-pd compositions are at the old site of http://proyekto.net/sndrft
if any are interested)

Cheers,
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Re: [PD] basic questions

[Kevin McCoy]

1) I understand the concept of "abstraction", but when i use them in my
patchs they don't work. Even with abstraction and patch saved into the same
directory...what i'm missing?



Hi Cristiano, could you be more specific about what doesn't work?  For
example, does the object not create?  Have you created them with inlets and
outlets, etc?

2) In sampling with "soundfiler" object, i cannot acess my samples, even

adressing their directories in "startup" and "paths", what's missing?



Again, what errors are you getting?  It sounds like you are trying to setup
a sample directory with the paths option... someone more experienced than me
will have to chime in on whether this works.  I always provide the full path
(for example, from an [openpanel] object).  If you could copy and paste what
you see from the main window (where errors and other info are printed) it
would help.

Kevin
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Re: [PD] Looping samples with tabread4~

[Kevin McCoy]

If you are interested in saving yourself the headache (I was wanting to do
the same thing last summer) you can just use the susloop~ external from
bsaylor.

On 5/16/07, Mikael Gunnerås <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Hi!

Maybe I haven't looked hard enough but I just haven't been able to find
any examples on building a sample playback engine  that will allow for
sample-start, loop-start and loop-end positions to be set. The question is
what would be the easiest way to achieve this.

I have been thinking about ways to achieve the sample clock driver but
since I'm new to PD perhaps my thinking is too complex.

My ideas have been:

   1. Should I try generating the sample clock driver using two phasor~
   objects where one phasor~ handles sample-start 'til loop-end and let the
   other one (loop-start 'til loop-end) kick in once the first one has
   completed it's first and single run.
   2. Perhaps using a vline~ for the first part instead of a phasor~
   3. Simply using one phasor~ object and offsetting the start value of
   it's second cycle to the loop-start position
   4. Simply using a vline~ object and "loop it" with a different start
   position the second time onwards.



I suppose I would have to use the samphold~ object to make the shift
between phasor~ or vline~ or just to offset the start position of a phasors~
second cycle.

Any ideas or examples on how to best achieve this would be more than
welcome.



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Re: [PD] OT - Pd on Leno

[Kevin McCoy]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rlxrjIMNIeg

Excellent, band sounded great!  I can't wait to see you guys in Ohio.  So
you're the one at the piano with the midi controller?  Looking smooth,
Dafydd!

Congrats again,
Kevin

On 5/8/07, Dafydd Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi folks

If you've got nothing better to do this evening, the band I'm touring
with is playing on the Tonight Show, and I'm using Pd for about 8 bars
of a mellotron flute sample.  Not nearly as impressive as Bjork's rig,
but what the hey, it's Pd in the pop world:)

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Re: [PD] unknown audio I/O error

[Kevin McCoy]

Have you tried increasing your buffer time?  This is my guess; though, if it
doesn't cause any problems after that maybe it's nothing to worry about?

Kevin

On 5/8/07, Greg Sabo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hello-

I've used Pd-extended successfully on this computer before, but recently
whenever I start the program and begin processing, it returns this:

audio I/O error history:
seconds ago


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Re: [PD] [OT] some tracks, pics of my exhibition

[Kevin McCoy]

Hi Andy,

Thanks for your comments.  With regard to methods here, I was making all of
these sounds in Pd, writing them as wav files, and then arranging / cutting
/ pasting in Ableton.  The arranging could have probably been done in any
software; Ableton was just the easiest in terms of picking from a library of
samples and throwing them on a timeline.  I wasn't really adding any special
effects there, just some EQ in some cases.

elea is one of my favorites, that one is a set of many samples (mostly from
a contact mic) vocoded against another sample I had created using Frank's
[specdelay~] abstraction.  When I figured out how to smooth fft vocoding
with [vectral~] it was a huge inspirational "light bulb" - if you vocode
several samples against one constant sample and put the results together,
they tend to reside in the same frequency zones and come to compliment one
another with variations.  xaxado uHz was mostly with Derek's particlechamber
on some sounds from walking in snow, and cyctast was from this little
"skipperflipper" patch I had in January.

I haven't really heard Nurse With Wound before, but I will check it out
since you made the reference :)

thanks
Kevin

On 5/2/07, Andy Farnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Texture on xaxado is a typical sort of fire/water mix to my ear. The
plastic/wood texture after 1:40 sounds interesting, like a spinning top
maybe?
I assume it's all synthetic actually.
Elea Novean is the more interesting one imho, better dynamics. Better use
of bright and metallic noise. Well, I'm no expert on noise but I think I
hear
elements of Nurse with wound in there or some of the more "organic" tye
stuff.
Something connecting the textures like a common filter or process with a
fair
amount of resonance. Like Patco says, I don't see what use Ableton was,
except
as a way to really subvert Ableton :) If so, well done :)
Thanks for sharing your tracks Kevin.

On Tue, 1 May 2007 10:34:17 -0500
"Kevin McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy/blogsounds/elea_novaen.mp3

> http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy/blogsounds/xaxado.mp3
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Re: [PD] Learning PD and creating a looper by example

[Kevin McCoy]

Hi Chris,

I started pd last May and the audio examples in the help really are quality,
even if they're a little dry at times they teach what you need to know in
increments.  I would work your way up to the sampler examples, and then
maybe you can take off from there.

For pitch recognition I think a lot of people use the [fiddle~] object,
although I am sure you will want to do other things first.

Good luck,
Kevin

On 5/1/07, Chris Delahousse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hey Guys,

I'm relatively new to Pure Data and aside from a brief flirtation with
Max/MSP, I don't have much experience with graphical programming. I've
read
the manual and understand the fundamentals, but I was wondering if anybody
knew any good sites to learn with given examples and whatnot.

My ultimate goal is to create a glorified looper with some forms of pitch
recognition and sound synthesis. Does anybody know any well commented and
easily understandable examples to help me out with this?

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Re: [PD] Control-edit syndrome

[Kevin McCoy]

I do that all the time, for things far less rational than renaming a
folder.  Glad I'm not the only one.  I feel extra stupid when I try to do it
in text based apps (ctrl+e in your terminal, anyone?), though that usually
only happens when i just stopped using pd...

definitely a dirty habit

k

On 5/1/07, Matteo Sisti Sette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi,

Has anyone of you ever experimented this?
You are browsing the folders in your computer. Before you click on a file
name to rename the file, you instinctively hit CTRL+E expecting your mouse
cursor tu turn into a hand.

Does anyone know a cure? (except abstinence from PD obviously)

sorry - just kidding :)

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Re: [PD] [OT] some tracks, pics of my exhibition

[Kevin McCoy]

Aaaand one last time cos I messed up again - apologies

http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy/celinas/02.mp3
http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy/blogsounds/elea_novaen.mp3
http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy/blogsounds/xaxado.mp3
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Re: [PD] [OT] some tracks, pics of my exhibition

[Kevin McCoy]

Sorry, wrong links on the 3 (html crap)... here's the right ones

http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy/celinas/02.mp3
http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy/blogsounds/elea_novean.mp3
http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy/blogsounds/xaxado.mp3

k

On 5/1/07, Kevin McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hello list,

In mid-April I had my senior exhibition here at the University of the
South in Sewanee, TN (US).  Trivia bit - this is Miller's hometown, his
father taught math here (hope he doesn't mind me sharing that).  The show
was called "impuls liminae" and featured 2 installations and 3 pieces for
headphones.  You can hear the headphone pieces, all sounds made with Pd and
arranged in ableton, here:

"cyctast op i"
http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy/celinas/02.mp3
"elea (novean)"
http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy/blogsounds/elea_novaen.mp3<http://art.sewanee.edu/blogsounds/elea_novaen.mp3>
"xaxado uHz"
http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy/blogsounds/xaxado.mp3
<http://art.sewanee.edu/blogsounds/xaxado.mp3>

images of the show are here:
http://pocketkm.blogspot.com/2007/04/senior-thesis-exhibition.html

excerpt of the main 8-speaker install "yona nuki" is here (though it
sounds tiny in stereo... just use your imagination)
http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy/blogsounds/yonanukiexcerpt.mp3

I wanted to say THANK YOU to the list for your excellent help and general
good demeanor, it's been almost exactly 1 year since I started learning Pd
and I have learned a lot from you all.

Thanks,
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[PD] [OT] some tracks, pics of my exhibition

[Kevin McCoy]

Hello list,

In mid-April I had my senior exhibition here at the University of the South
in Sewanee, TN (US).  Trivia bit - this is Miller's hometown, his father
taught math here (hope he doesn't mind me sharing that).  The show was
called "impuls liminae" and featured 2 installations and 3 pieces for
headphones.  You can hear the headphone pieces, all sounds made with Pd and
arranged in ableton, here:

"cyctast op i"
http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy/celinas/02.mp3
"elea (novean)"
http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy/blogsounds/elea_novaen.mp3
"xaxado uHz"
http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy/blogsounds/xaxado.mp3


images of the show are here:
http://pocketkm.blogspot.com/2007/04/senior-thesis-exhibition.html

excerpt of the main 8-speaker install "yona nuki" is here (though it sounds
tiny in stereo... just use your imagination)
http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy/blogsounds/yonanukiexcerpt.mp3

I wanted to say THANK YOU to the list for your excellent help and general
good demeanor, it's been almost exactly 1 year since I started learning Pd
and I have learned a lot from you all.

Thanks,
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Re: [PD] plugin~ "bad screen distance" (again)

[Kevin McCoy]

Have you tried using Jamie's [dssi~] ; I haven't used it but it sounds like
it's good.  It works for ladspa and dssi plugins

On 4/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi everybody,

I'm struggling to get the plugin~  external working (to get LADSPA plugins
in
pd). Whenever I instanciate it in pd, I get an empty box with several
inputs
and outputs and an error message in the console about "bad screen
distance".
It also corrupts every single other node I create after that (all of them
appear blank and output similar error messages).
I quickly searched the archive and have seen that several users have had
the
same problem, and that for some, unsetting the LANG environment variable
fixed the problem, but not for everybody. Unfortunately, I belong to the
latter category. Has anybody found since another workaround ?

Btw this happens using pd 0.40.2 under Linux with plugin~ from some
pd-extended 0.40 release (I think 0.40.0 but I'm not 100% sure).

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Re: [PD] Externals - Compilation or Usage Problems

[Kevin McCoy]

Until someone else who knows how to make externals into libraries chimes in,
you can try just putting it straight into your lib/pd/extra dir and then
typing the name of the object :)

Kevin

On 4/29/07, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi,
I checked out the documentations from CVS because I wanted to try the
External-making-howto. I compiled the helloworld-example there with the
included Makefile.
Compilation worked without any problems, but when I try to to load it in
PD with pd -lib /home/chris/pd_externals/example1/helloworld.pd_linux it
says "can't load library"

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks in advance.


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Re: [PD] pd-OSC

[Kevin McCoy]

I believe you can get it from the pd cvs; it is also included in
Pd-extended.

Kevin

On 4/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi all,
I have been searching for the pd-OSC library without success. Can anybody
tell me where I can find it ?

Regards,
Salsaman.
http://lives.sourceforge.net

pd patch for LiVES:
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Re: [PD] call for PDP testing on Mac OS X

[Kevin McCoy]

Hans, Marius,

Sorry, all I wanted to say was that it wasn't working in the extended builds
at that point and hadn't been for a long time.  Recompiling PDP on my own
did it for me.  Apologies for any confusion :)  My libquicktime came from
Debian's package.

Kevin

On 4/26/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Ok, pdp and pidip should now include quicktime support, if anyone
wants to test:

http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-04-26/

libavcodec hasn't been working, so it might not be able to do much yet.

.hc

On Apr 23, 2007, at 6:42 AM, Tim Boykett wrote:

>
> The "QaD" method (creating pdp and pidip objects) works fine.
> Now I can get pdp_glx running a window in Xwindows and pdp_noise
> works too. pdp_qt is not being created. pdp_ieee1394 is also
> not created.
>
> Do I need any specific things for quicktime?
>
> I was also looking for the gem <--> pdp "conversion" things
> and could not find anything.
>
> tim
>
>
>
> On 23/04/2007, at 6:45 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
>>
>> That error message actually is a mistake and you can ignore it.
>> It'll be removed in the next release.
>>
>> It sounds like pdp and pidip are not loaded.  Did you see their
>> version messages in the Pd window?  You can do the quick and dirty
>> way of loading them: just create an object called "pdp" and then
>> "pidip".  It'll load the library, then fail to create the object.
>> But then the libs will be loaded.
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2007, at 2:22 PM, Joseph Gray wrote:
>>
>>> I'm receiving the same error as well.  Running on a G5 with OS X
>>> 10.3.9
>>>
>>> Missing Libraries? need X11?
>>>
>>> Or do I simply stick with Quartz Composer?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The writer Tim Boykett writ:
>>> •
>>> • Hi,
>>> •
>>> • Trying to get it up, using 39.2-rc1, nothing from pdp is working
>>> at all.
>>> • So the rest of you are having at least more luck than me
>>> •
>>> • I am also getting the message
>>> •
>>> • error: to function, this needs to be compiled against Pd 0.40 or
>>> higher,
>>> •
>>> •   or a version that has sys_register_loader()
>>> • libdir loader $Revision: 1.5 $
>>> •   written by Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> •   compiled on Apr 14 2007 at 05:11:51
>>> •   compiled against Pd version 0.39.2.extended-RC1
>>> •
>>> • at the very start; i.e. this is the first thing in the PD window.
>>> •
>>> • Question: What things might I need from Fink that I might not have
>>> • right now? Are there any things I should _not_ have?
>>> •
>>> • Okay; I would really like to see this working, so I do not have to
>>> • learn about Jitter :->
>>> •
>>> •Cheers,
>>> •
>>> • Tim
>>> •
>>> •
>>> •
>>> • On 20/04/2007, at 7:11 AM, marius schebella wrote:
>>> •
>>> •> same here. hmm, at least, when X11 is running, then it is
>>> possible to
>>> •> use pdp_glx for output. and for input I used pdp_noise just to
>>> see
>>> •> what
>>> •> is happening, and that combination gices me an output window
>>> and a
>>> •> working patch (both in test6 and rc2).
>>> •> I think for input I want to use pdp_qt? or what is another
>>> object for
>>> •> live input?
>>> •> marius.
>>> •>
>>> •>
>>> •> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>> •>>
>>> •>> pdp_v4l won't work on Mac OS X, since v4l = video4linux.  As for
>>> •>> what to
>>> •>> do about getting pdp_xv to work, I have no idea.  I tried a
>>> bit, and
>>> •>> only succeeded in getting Pd to crash.  [pdp_sdl] is built in
>>> •>> there, but
>>> •>> doesn't seem to do anything but crash.  Here are the messages I
>>> •>> found:
>>> •>>
>>> •>>
>>> •>> .hc
>>> •>>
>>> •>> On Apr 20, 2007, at 12:08 AM, marius schebella wrote:
>>> •>>
>>> •>>> yes, that is true, but pdp_xv is not working. so I cannot
>>> really
>>> •>>> say,
>>> •>>> if the rest is.
>>> •>>> what is the output window called on osx?
>>> •>>> marius.
>>> •>>>
>>> •>>> Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
>>> • My first test, opening pdp example 1 in pd-0.39.2-extended-
>>> rc1,
>>> • loads
>>> • every object but pdp_v41.
>>> • ~Kyle
>>> • On 4/19/07, marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>> •> hi hans,
>>> •> where should that pdp version be? in the nightly autobuilds?
>>> •> btw. it seems there is an intel binary now? thanks for that.
>>> •> but pdp did not work for me.
>>> •> the first thing to solve would be the output window. which I
>>> •> don't see
>>> •> how to create?
>>> •> marius.
>>> •>
>>> •> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>> •>> I would like to get PDP and PiDiP working well on Mac OS X
>>> in the
>>> •>> upcoming release.  I don't use PDP, so I don't know how to
>>> •>> test it.
>>> •>> So I am calling on all of you to tell me what's broken.
>>> •>>
>>> •>> http://at.or.at/hans/pd/installers.html
>>> •>>
>>> •>> PDP is now compiled with libSDL, so that might also give
>>> Mac OS X
>>> •>> users a new output option.
>>> •>>
>>> •>> .hc
>>> •>>
>>> •>>
>>> •>>
>

Re: [PD] OSS/ALSA, DIO-errors

[Kevin McCoy]

Thanks for the info Derek, I have been getting mad crazy errors with ALSA
and now I know to use Jack.  Is ALSA really in that rough of shape??  It's
always been a pain for me since I run PPC hardware which is very, very
poorly supported by ALSA unfortunately (I don't think I've had a single
machine with a functional line in capture under linux...)

Kevin

On 4/25/07, Derek Holzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


OSS (emulation) and JACK are the interfaces of choice for Linux. Miller
never really worked out direct ALSA support, and continues to recommend
OSS long after its obsolescence. Of the two, I've found JACK more useful.

best,
d.

moritz wrote:

> ola,
> i have also to say that i have often less problems with OSS emulation on
> different linux-machines then direct with ALSA. With "direct"-alsa i
> have a lot of DIO-errors:
> A/D/A sync bla.. DAC blocked...(even with the same audio buffer)


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Re: [PD] call for PDP testing on Mac OS X

[Kevin McCoy]

pdp_qt is not being created.



just jumping in here, but I will second that, both in OS X and in Debian too
it is not created.  I recompiled after getting libquicktime going and it
works now.  Maybe an issue with that?

Kevin
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Re: [PD] RSI . Was Re: GEM: animations

[Kevin McCoy]

Yes I had an "injury" months ago and I wanted to use desiredata because of
that.  What actually helped me was the writing of Dr. John Sarno ("The
Mind-Body Prescription" - sounds new-agey but it's not really) - the premise
is that most RSI is psychosomatic, and dwelling on it prolongs the pain.  I
thought about bringing this up on the list before.  Attentiveness to this
(among other mind-work) solved the problem for me - highly recommended
work.  Steal the book or borrow it from a library - at least in America we
are a heavily overmedicated/hyperdiagnosed society imho.

I have heard that in countries where people have not heard of RSI people
don't really get it.  I can't back that up, but it would be interesting if
it is in fact true.

Kevin

On 4/22/07, Alexandre Quessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi,
The desiredata crowd have done quite a lot of work to help prevent this.
:)

a

2007/4/22, Olivier Heinry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
>
>  Help fight agains
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repetitive_strain_injury
> Get up and stretch your back !!
>
>  http://www.workrave.org/welcome/
>
>  ++
>  O.
>
>
>
> --
>
> 2007/4/19, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Apr 18, 2007, at 10:33 PM, Alexandre Quessy wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > 2007/4/18, Kyle Klipowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >> I'm sorry, I don't have [gems/duplicate] in the version of pdmtl
that
> > >> I just downloaded. It looks like a neat library though, will it be
> > >> included in pd-extended soon?
> > >
> > >
> https://devel.goto10.org/pdmtl/browser/trunk/pdmtl/gems/
> > > duplicate.pd !!
> > >
> > > I got to put it in the pd-extended build system, yes... It's just
that
> > > I am having troubles with the Makefile. I need to translate
something
> > > like "cp -r * /usr/lib/pd/extra/" into some recursive Makefiles
unsing
> > > "install -d" and such...
> > >
> > > See
> http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg01399.html
> > >
> > > Any help around ? I think the best way to do it would be to copy
> > > makefiles around and then :
> > >
> > > find . -type d | xargs cd && make; done
> > >
> > > Or something... got to test. I will have more time in May. :)
> >
> > It seems that pdmtl really needs to have multi-level namespaces.
> > Perhaps in May we could work on making that happen.
> >
> > .hc
> >
> >
> > >
> > > a
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> I will try to experiment with [repeat], since it is getting
> > >> tedious to
> > >> manipulate more than 5 or 6 separate objects in the 'gemiverse.'
> > >>
> > >> ~Kyle
> > >>
> > >> On 4/18/07, Alexandre Quessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>> Consider using the [repeat] object along with [separator]...
> > >>> See [gems/duplicate] in the SVN repository of the
> > >>> http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions
> > >>>
> > >>> a
> > >>>
> > >>> 2007/4/17, Cypod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >  Roman is right, just parenting down the chain, with small sphere
> >  (proxy
> >  geometry) to change the pivot control, from the center to one
end.
> > 
> >  where separators come into play is to branch off arms and legs
> >  from the main
> >  body. The body's transform will still control the arm, but
sibling
> >  hierarchies wont affect each other. That way you can move the
> >  body of the
> >  character and the arms don't fall off, but if you rotate the
> >  left shoulder
> >  it wont affect the right shoulder or legs.
> > 
> >  Thats how I created the dancing man patch, from a wow (World of
> >  War-craft)
> >  character that my friend build. Its still somewhat crude, but
> >  fun to be able
> >  to control characters in real-time during your performance.
> > 
> > 
> >  On 4/17/07, Kyle Klipowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Ok, yes. After tinkering last night a bit I found that it is
> > > indeed
> > > this simple. For some reason I was getting confused, based upon
> > > where
> > > I was putting the separators for different branches of the
> > > structure.
> > > I like this top-down approach. It makes it easy to add global
> > > modifiers at the top of the gem chain.
> > >
> > > ~Kyle
> > >
> > > On 4/17/07, Roman Haefeli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 2007-04-16 at 23:32 -0500, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
> > >>> Ok, that was a dumb question, after looking at separator.
> > >>>
> > >>> But it raises some questions for me: is the best way to
position
> > >>> multi-geo unit, say of a sphere being orbited by smaller
> > >>> spheres, best
> > >>> accomplished by using a lot of additions, or is there a way
> > >>> to chain
> > >>> translate objects?
> > >>
> > >> if i understand you correctly, this is _very_ simple to
> > >> achieve. here an
> > >> example of a renderchain:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> [gemhead]
> > >> |
> > >> [translateXYZ] <- translate the who

Re: [PD] pidip setup/compile questions

[Kevin McCoy]

It's cool I think, I actually installed the most recent version of it.  I
was trying to compile pidip all day today and going nuts!  I gave up and
copied your pidip.pd_linux over to my vanilla pd and it works now.  Tight.
Thanks Hans!

Kevin

On 4/23/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



You need a more recent version of libquicktime AFAIK.   Which version are
you using?

'apt-cache search libquicktime' should tell you

.hc

On Apr 23, 2007, at 11:41 AM, Kevin McCoy wrote:

Hello,

I got pd-extended 39-2 rc1 for debian/ppc from Hans' site but while PDP
works great, I cannot get pidip to load because of a quicktime_close error:

PDP: pure data packet version 0.12.5-darcs
/usr/local/lib/pd/extra/pidip/pidip.pd_linux:
/usr/local/lib/pd/extra/pidip/pidip.pd_linux: undefined symbol:
quicktime_close

I have libquicktime0 installed and it still doesn't work.  I am running
Debian Etch on an iMac G5 (ppc64).  Isn't this all I need?  Maybe a Debian
or Ubuntu user can chime in here... So I thought I should go ahead and try
compiling it myself since it's difficult to know what is/isn't broken in
extended.

But when I try to run ./configure with the appropriate flags I get an
error: ./configure: no such file or directory.Here are the contents from
typing ls:

elea:/home/kevin/externals/pidip# ls
acinclude.m4   config.guess  doc  install-sh   modules  TODO
aclocal.m4config.subfontsKNOWN.BUGS   patches
CHANGES.LOG   configure.ac  include  LICENSE.txt  README
charmaps  CVS   INSTALL  Makefile.in  system

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[PD] pidip setup/compile questions

[Kevin McCoy]

Hello,

I got pd-extended 39-2 rc1 for debian/ppc from Hans' site but while PDP
works great, I cannot get pidip to load because of a quicktime_close error:

PDP: pure data packet version 0.12.5-darcs
/usr/local/lib/pd/extra/pidip/pidip.pd_linux:
/usr/local/lib/pd/extra/pidip/pidip.pd_linux: undefined symbol:
quicktime_close

I have libquicktime0 installed and it still doesn't work.  I am running
Debian Etch on an iMac G5 (ppc64).  Isn't this all I need?  Maybe a Debian
or Ubuntu user can chime in here... So I thought I should go ahead and try
compiling it myself since it's difficult to know what is/isn't broken in
extended.

But when I try to run ./configure with the appropriate flags I get an error:
./configure: no such file or directory.Here are the contents from typing
ls:

elea:/home/kevin/externals/pidip# ls
acinclude.m4  config.guess  doc  install-sh   modules  TODO
aclocal.m4config.subfontsKNOWN.BUGS   patches
CHANGES.LOG   configure.ac  include  LICENSE.txt  README
charmaps  CVS   INSTALL  Makefile.in  system

Any help?
Thanks!
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Re: [PD] pd 64 binary and gem 64 binary

[Kevin McCoy]

Thanks man, nice to know.

best,
Kevin

On 4/20/07, chris clepper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


PowerPC is very clean when mixing 32 and 64 bits.  Any 32 bit code
will run at full speed.  There might be issues when mixing 32 and 64
bit libraries and applications though.

On 4/20/07, Kevin McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Now I am running Pd on a PowerPC G5 (64-bit) Debian install; will I
> gain anything from compiling externals for my machine vs. using
> precompiled generic ppc binaries?  I read somewhere that it can
> execute 32-bit code but that it is not optimized and I wonder if this
> is the case with Pd.  I don't understand the theory behind this design
> of things so any info would be nice.  Just something I was curious
> about.
>
> Kevin
>
> On 4/20/07, IOhannes m zmoelnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > yukio kuroiwa wrote:
> > > is there any 64 pd binary for linux? and gem binary for 64 bit linux
> > > machines ?
> > >
> >
> > aptitude install pure-data gem
> > on your favourite 64bit debian or ubuntu machine.
> >
> > (or compile it yourself; i don't know whether the 64bit debian pd has
> > the fixes from pd-0.41 incorporated, but chances are high since they
> > originate from günter)
> >
> > fmgasdr
> > IOhannes
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Re: [PD] pd 64 binary and gem 64 binary

[Kevin McCoy]

Now I am running Pd on a PowerPC G5 (64-bit) Debian install; will I
gain anything from compiling externals for my machine vs. using
precompiled generic ppc binaries?  I read somewhere that it can
execute 32-bit code but that it is not optimized and I wonder if this
is the case with Pd.  I don't understand the theory behind this design
of things so any info would be nice.  Just something I was curious
about.

Kevin

On 4/20/07, IOhannes m zmoelnig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yukio kuroiwa wrote:
> > is there any 64 pd binary for linux? and gem binary for 64 bit linux
> > machines ?
> >
>
> aptitude install pure-data gem
> on your favourite 64bit debian or ubuntu machine.
>
> (or compile it yourself; i don't know whether the 64bit debian pd has
> the fixes from pd-0.41 incorporated, but chances are high since they
> originate from günter)
>
> fmgasdr
> IOhannes
>
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