Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is BORING
wow, only a few pages before the inevitable usa bashing. BORING. last i checked the primary developer of pd was an american, yes? marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > > >> Americans today make ironic references to the "Axis of Evil" and the > >> "war on terror" and "homeland security" all the time. It doesn't mean > >> they buy it, even if the media makes it seem that way. > > > > Yeah but why do they still vote for one of the two big parties? > > why? I think because USamericans are fearful people. they are fearful, > because they never learned to talk about their problematic history. > genocide and slavery. they just inherit the guilty consciousness > unprocessed from generation to generation. therefor they only feel safe, > when they are protected by a big brother. they live with the idea of the > survival of the fittest (make the rich richer). they never gave black > people compensation for their exploitation (nor any other group). as a > matter of fact this is not only US history, but western history in > general, but european countries experienced worldwar II and I think they > changed their way on communal thinking about racism and so on. there was > some shift in common notion and also the wish to keep this notion alive. > USamericans subconsciously still fear revenge. and even worse, some of > them even think it is a good idea to have a small, rich, educated > leading elite that controls the big majority of people. they propose a > free market, which I see rather as a free slave market, because > preconditions are not fair at all for all people. they try to oppress > every effort of union building and their voting system is a "the winner > takes it all". in europe it took green parties more than 20 years to > make it into gouvernments. in the US this is not possible, because with > anything less than 50% you are nothing. > and of course the US has a media that is owned by a handful of people, > and an education system including universities that aligns itself more > to the needs of companies and corporations than to the values of life. > that's why "they" still vote for one of the two big parties. > with the fall of the dollar, the raise of china, some bank crashs, more > and more unemployed people, no health care, no social security I think > people will start to vote differently within the the next 10-20 years. > marius. > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Patrick Pagano Sound and Light Technologist School of Theatre and Dance University of Florida ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is BORING
shouldn't have singled anyone out like that...my apologies it's just this whole nonesense is getting to me after the x number of days it has lasted and gone nowhere. 2007/10/10, eric labelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > just noticed...a bouchard flaming an american for his peoples Genocide? > Where were your ancestors when the french starved the iroquois into peace in > new france man? > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: eric labelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 10 oct. 2007 18:50 > Subject: Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is BORING > To: " [EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > this whole facking thread is boring...the american bashing is the only > thing keeping me on a list that would tolerate such flagrant abuse of > people's time and bandwidth. Wow to hear them go at it they seem to take > themselves seriously which is great...hack a bit of software and hold the > key!! Hackers unite right? > > 2007/10/10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > wow, only a few pages before the inevitable usa bashing. > > > > BORING. > > > > last i checked the primary developer of pd was an american, yes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marius schebella < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > > > > > > >> Americans today make ironic references to the "Axis of Evil" and > > the > > > >> "war on terror" and "homeland security" all the time. It doesn't > > mean > > > >> they buy it, even if the media makes it seem that way. > > > > > > > > Yeah but why do they still vote for one of the two big parties? > > > > > > why? I think because USamericans are fearful people. they are fearful, > > > > > because they never learned to talk about their problematic history. > > > genocide and slavery. they just inherit the guilty consciousness > > > unprocessed from generation to generation. therefor they only feel > > safe, > > > when they are protected by a big brother. they live with the idea of > > the > > > survival of the fittest (make the rich richer). they never gave black > > > people compensation for their exploitation (nor any other group). as a > > > > > matter of fact this is not only US history, but western history in > > > general, but european countries experienced worldwar II and I think > > they > > > changed their way on communal thinking about racism and so on. there > > was > > > some shift in common notion and also the wish to keep this notion > > alive. > > > USamericans subconsciously still fear revenge. and even worse, some of > > > them even think it is a good idea to have a small, rich, educated > > > leading elite that controls the big majority of people. they propose a > > > free market, which I see rather as a free slave market, because > > > preconditions are not fair at all for all people. they try to oppress > > > every effort of union building and their voting system is a "the > > winner > > > takes it all". in europe it took green parties more than 20 years to > > > make it into gouvernments. in the US this is not possible, because > > with > > > anything less than 50% you are nothing. > > > and of course the US has a media that is owned by a handful of people, > > > and an education system including universities that aligns itself more > > > to the needs of companies and corporations than to the values of life. > > > > > that's why "they" still vote for one of the two big parties. > > > with the fall of the dollar, the raise of china, some bank crashs, > > more > > > and more unemployed people, no health care, no social security I think > > > > > people will start to vote differently within the the next 10-20 years. > > > marius. > > > > > > ___ > > > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > -- > > Patrick Pagano > > Sound and Light Technologist > > School of Theatre and Dance > > University of Florida > > > > > > > > ___ > > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is BORING
I'm from the statesi've spent a lot of time overseasi find it hilarious that, on several different occasions, I've been in conversations with Europeans who would talk bad about the USthen, after talking shit for an hour, they always end the conversation with, "yeah, I'm going to the US in a couple of weeks"if its so fucking bad why would you want to visit? I often hear Europeans bitching about how fat and stupid the American culture iswell, every European country I've visited has had a McDonalds, and there is always line of people ready to feed their facesdon't blame the American cultureblame your citizens who keep the American companies in businessdon't get me wrong, the American culture is FULL of ignorancesure, we are idiots.but who is worse: the Idiot, or the guy who follows the idiot? I didn't vote for Bush...neither did half of the American voters...that's over 150 million United States citizens who didn't vote for Bush and his foreign policy (and domestic policies)...so please, don't lump everyone togetherMake love not war! :-) peace -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:43 PM To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is BORING wow, only a few pages before the inevitable usa bashing. BORING. last i checked the primary developer of pd was an american, yes? marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > > >> Americans today make ironic references to the "Axis of Evil" and the > >> "war on terror" and "homeland security" all the time. It doesn't mean > >> they buy it, even if the media makes it seem that way. > > > > Yeah but why do they still vote for one of the two big parties? > > why? I think because USamericans are fearful people. they are fearful, > because they never learned to talk about their problematic history. > genocide and slavery. they just inherit the guilty consciousness > unprocessed from generation to generation. therefor they only feel safe, > when they are protected by a big brother. they live with the idea of the > survival of the fittest (make the rich richer). they never gave black > people compensation for their exploitation (nor any other group). as a > matter of fact this is not only US history, but western history in > general, but european countries experienced worldwar II and I think they > changed their way on communal thinking about racism and so on. there was > some shift in common notion and also the wish to keep this notion alive. > USamericans subconsciously still fear revenge. and even worse, some of > them even think it is a good idea to have a small, rich, educated > leading elite that controls the big majority of people. they propose a > free market, which I see rather as a free slave market, because > preconditions are not fair at all for all people. they try to oppress > every effort of union building and their voting system is a "the winner > takes it all". in europe it took green parties more than 20 years to > make it into gouvernments. in the US this is not possible, because with > anything less than 50% you are nothing. > and of course the US has a media that is owned by a handful of people, > and an education system including universities that aligns itself more > to the needs of companies and corporations than to the values of life. > that's why "they" still vote for one of the two big parties. > with the fall of the dollar, the raise of china, some bank crashs, more > and more unemployed people, no health care, no social security I think > people will start to vote differently within the the next 10-20 years. > marius. > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Patrick Pagano Sound and Light Technologist School of Theatre and Dance University of Florida ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is BORING
jared wrote: > if its so fucking > bad why would you want to visit? Some people have the hope, the true situation would not be so depressing. > .but who > is worse: the Idiot, or the guy who follows the idiot? except for romania, there are not so many countries in the world, who follow the US at the moment. > I didn't vote for Bush...neither did half of the American > voters...that's over 150 million United States citizens who didn't vote > for Bush I am not sure, how you calculate this. because in 2000 50mio people voted for bush. which means 250mio citizens (including children and non-voters) did not. 51mio voters voted actively against bush, 249 mio citizens did not... (only 101mio people actively voted.) for years later (due to his successful policy...), 62mio voted for bush. marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is BORING
jared wrote: > if its so fucking > bad why would you want to visit? Some people have the hope, the true situation would not be so depressing. Hope? Please. The conversations that I was talking about, these people weren't talking about 'hope'...they were flat out trashing the American people and government...and being very angry about it...it was funny because they knew I was American and they seemed to be trying to upset me...they were surprised that, for themost part, I agreed with everything they said...i think some people forget that no one is more angry at the American government than the American peopledid you happen to see or hear about the many marches and protests against Bush after he was elected? I was in Europe after Bush's second election and I didn't see or hear anythingabout the protests of the American people. The media outlets there seemed to be happy with portraying all US citizens as stupid idiotswho were sheep in the Bush flockgod, for the most part, the mediathere is worse than it is here...and that is saying something... > .but who > is worse: the Idiot, or the guy who follows the idiot? except for romania, there are not so many countries in the world, who follow the US at the moment. Good news there > I didn't vote for Bush...neither did half of the American > voters...that's over 150 million United States citizens who didn't vote > for Bush I am not sure, how you calculate this. because in 2000 50mio people voted for bush. which means 250mio citizens (including children and non-voters) did not. 51mio voters voted actively against bush, 249 mio citizens did not... (only 101mio people actively voted.) for years later (due to his successful policy...), 62mio voted for bush. marius. Okay, my numbers are wrong...but you get my point, don't you? So, say, 51 million people voted AGAINST BUSH in 2000...51 million is nearly the total population of Italy, or France...My point is that51 million is a lot of people to ignorantly lump into the Fat, American Cowboy Bush voter category. peace ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is BORING
On 10/11/07, marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > jared wrote: > > if its so fucking > > bad why would you want to visit? > > Some people have the hope, the true situation would not be so depressing. I think Europeans and Americans see American as bad in an abstract sense, in the sense of what it does to people who aren't there. All the more reason to go there. It's bad in the abstract, but pretty useful in the short term. > .but who > > is worse: the Idiot, or the guy who follows the idiot? > > except for romania, there are not so many countries in the world, who > follow the US at the moment. Ouch! I just moved to Romania from the US... But I don't think the question is what the government of a country endorses, it's a question of the social attitude and the - all together now - opportunity. I suspect most non-Americans who go to the US do so hoping to benefit themselves, more than to enjoy the culture of the average citizens. > I didn't vote for Bush...neither did half of the American > > voters...that's over 150 million United States citizens who didn't vote > > for Bush > > I am not sure, how you calculate this. because in 2000 50mio people > voted for bush. which means 250mio citizens (including children and > non-voters) did not. 51mio voters voted actively against bush, 249 mio > citizens did not... (only 101mio people actively voted.) > for years later (due to his successful policy...), 62mio voted for bush. > marius. Yes, alas, there may be 300 million citizens, but far less eligible voters, and even less active voters. But perhaps the number who didn't vote present an even worse picture of American culture than the number who voted for Bush. -Chuckk -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
