Re: [PD] Detuning reverb ?

[Pierre Massat]

Yes, thanks again for this idea man!

Pierre.

2012/7/11 Lorenzo Sutton 

> On 10/07/12 23:00, Pierre Massat wrote:
>
>> Here's the link to the post, if you want to listen to the result and get
>> the patch.
>> http://guitarextended.**wordpress.com/2012/07/10/**
>> thehexxciter-detuning-reverb-**better/
>>
> Nice! (and nice example of collaboration ;)
>
> Lorenzo.
>
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Pierre.
>>
>> 2012/7/10 Pierre Massat mailto:pimas...@gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>> I got something working really nicely (using a short delay with a
>> high feedback to get some sustain for the pitchshifter and to
>> leave out quiter notes). I'll make a post tonight on my blog.
>> Thank you all for your precious help!
>> Btw, this instrumental version of the Hexx is really cool...
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Pierre.
>>
>>
>> 2012/7/10 tim vets mailto:timv...@gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2012/7/10 Thomas Grill mailto:g...@g.org>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> i wouldn't count on it being a live (guitar) effect.
>> It can be seen on
>> 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=5eEVpY9rjxQthat
>>  it's
>> obviously played by use of some midi keyboard.
>> gr~~~
>>
>>
>> or maybe it's the guy in the background at 0:34 turning his
>> tuning knobs ? ;)
>>
>>
>> 2012/7/8 Pierre Massat > >:
>>
>> > Dear List,
>> >
>> > I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be
>> heard on Pavement's The
>> > Hexx 
>> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=6N5tx68-d2I).
>> It
>> sounds like a
>> > constantly downward detuning reverb, I have no idea if
>> this is an existing
>> > guitar effect or if it was created in studio by Nigel
>> Godrich. My last
>> > attempt resulted in this
>> >
>> (http://guitarextended.**wordpress.com/2012/07/08/**
>> detuning-delay/
>> ),
>> which
>> > doesn't really sound like the original at all...
>> >
>> > I think I need delay lines driven by a phasor with a
>> squared output, so that
>> > the speed at which the length of the delays increases is
>> not constant. I
>> > also think I need to envelop the delay lines somehow,
>> and switch between
>> > them so that the maximum length is never reached. But
>> right now I short of
>> > ideas. From what i've found on the web, this should be
>> doable with a
>> > granular delay, but I never used any granular stuff.
>> >
>> > Any suggestion is welcome...
>> >
>> > Cheers!
>> >
>> > Pierre.
>> >
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Re: [PD] Detuning reverb ?

[Lorenzo Sutton]

On 10/07/12 23:00, Pierre Massat wrote:
Here's the link to the post, if you want to listen to the result and 
get the patch.

http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/thehexxciter-detuning-reverb-better/

Nice! (and nice example of collaboration ;)

Lorenzo.


Cheers!

Pierre.

2012/7/10 Pierre Massat mailto:pimas...@gmail.com>>

I got something working really nicely (using a short delay with a
high feedback to get some sustain for the pitchshifter and to
leave out quiter notes). I'll make a post tonight on my blog.
Thank you all for your precious help!
Btw, this instrumental version of the Hexx is really cool...

Cheers,

Pierre.


2012/7/10 tim vets mailto:timv...@gmail.com>>



2012/7/10 Thomas Grill mailto:g...@g.org>>

Hi,
i wouldn't count on it being a live (guitar) effect.
It can be seen on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eEVpY9rjxQ that it's
obviously played by use of some midi keyboard.
gr~~~


or maybe it's the guy in the background at 0:34 turning his
tuning knobs ? ;)


2012/7/8 Pierre Massat mailto:pimas...@gmail.com>>:
> Dear List,
>
> I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be
heard on Pavement's The
> Hexx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5tx68-d2I). It
sounds like a
> constantly downward detuning reverb, I have no idea if
this is an existing
> guitar effect or if it was created in studio by Nigel
Godrich. My last
> attempt resulted in this
>
(http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/detuning-delay/),
which
> doesn't really sound like the original at all...
>
> I think I need delay lines driven by a phasor with a
squared output, so that
> the speed at which the length of the delays increases is
not constant. I
> also think I need to envelop the delay lines somehow,
and switch between
> them so that the maximum length is never reached. But
right now I short of
> ideas. From what i've found on the web, this should be
doable with a
> granular delay, but I never used any granular stuff.
>
> Any suggestion is welcome...
>
> Cheers!
>
> Pierre.
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Re: [PD] Detuning reverb ?

[Michael Zacherl (remote)]

_very_ nice!! :-) m.

Zitat von Pierre Massat :


Here's the link to the post, if you want to listen to the result and get
the patch.
http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/thehexxciter-detuning-reverb-better/

Cheers!

Pierre.

2012/7/10 Pierre Massat 


I got something working really nicely (using a short delay with a high
feedback to get some sustain for the pitchshifter and to leave out quiter
notes). I'll make a post tonight on my blog. Thank you all for your
precious help!
Btw, this instrumental version of the Hexx is really cool...

Cheers,

Pierre.


2012/7/10 tim vets 




2012/7/10 Thomas Grill 


Hi,
i wouldn't count on it being a live (guitar) effect.
It can be seen on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eEVpY9rjxQ that it's
obviously played by use of some midi keyboard.
gr~~~



or maybe it's the guy in the background at 0:34 turning his tuning knobs
? ;)



2012/7/8 Pierre Massat :
> Dear List,
>
> I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be heard on
Pavement's The
> Hexx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5tx68-d2I). It sounds like a
> constantly downward detuning reverb, I have no idea if this is an
existing
> guitar effect or if it was created in studio by Nigel Godrich. My last
> attempt resulted in this
> (http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/detuning-delay/),
which
> doesn't really sound like the original at all...
>
> I think I need delay lines driven by a phasor with a squared output,
so that
> the speed at which the length of the delays increases is not constant.
I
> also think I need to envelop the delay lines somehow, and switch
between
> them so that the maximum length is never reached. But right now I
short of
> ideas. From what i've found on the web, this should be doable with a
> granular delay, but I never used any granular stuff.
>
> Any suggestion is welcome...
>
> Cheers!
>
> Pierre.


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Re: [PD] Detuning reverb ?

[Pierre Massat]

Here's the link to the post, if you want to listen to the result and get
the patch.
http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/thehexxciter-detuning-reverb-better/

Cheers!

Pierre.

2012/7/10 Pierre Massat 

> I got something working really nicely (using a short delay with a high
> feedback to get some sustain for the pitchshifter and to leave out quiter
> notes). I'll make a post tonight on my blog. Thank you all for your
> precious help!
> Btw, this instrumental version of the Hexx is really cool...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pierre.
>
>
> 2012/7/10 tim vets 
>
>>
>>
>> 2012/7/10 Thomas Grill 
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> i wouldn't count on it being a live (guitar) effect.
>>> It can be seen on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eEVpY9rjxQ that it's
>>> obviously played by use of some midi keyboard.
>>> gr~~~
>>>
>>
>> or maybe it's the guy in the background at 0:34 turning his tuning knobs
>> ? ;)
>>
>>
>>> 2012/7/8 Pierre Massat :
>>> > Dear List,
>>> >
>>> > I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be heard on
>>> Pavement's The
>>> > Hexx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5tx68-d2I). It sounds like a
>>> > constantly downward detuning reverb, I have no idea if this is an
>>> existing
>>> > guitar effect or if it was created in studio by Nigel Godrich. My last
>>> > attempt resulted in this
>>> > (http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/detuning-delay/),
>>> which
>>> > doesn't really sound like the original at all...
>>> >
>>> > I think I need delay lines driven by a phasor with a squared output,
>>> so that
>>> > the speed at which the length of the delays increases is not constant.
>>> I
>>> > also think I need to envelop the delay lines somehow, and switch
>>> between
>>> > them so that the maximum length is never reached. But right now I
>>> short of
>>> > ideas. From what i've found on the web, this should be doable with a
>>> > granular delay, but I never used any granular stuff.
>>> >
>>> > Any suggestion is welcome...
>>> >
>>> > Cheers!
>>> >
>>> > Pierre.
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Re: [PD] Detuning reverb ?

[Pierre Massat]

I got something working really nicely (using a short delay with a high
feedback to get some sustain for the pitchshifter and to leave out quiter
notes). I'll make a post tonight on my blog. Thank you all for your
precious help!
Btw, this instrumental version of the Hexx is really cool...

Cheers,

Pierre.

2012/7/10 tim vets 

>
>
> 2012/7/10 Thomas Grill 
>
>> Hi,
>> i wouldn't count on it being a live (guitar) effect.
>> It can be seen on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eEVpY9rjxQ that it's
>> obviously played by use of some midi keyboard.
>> gr~~~
>>
>
> or maybe it's the guy in the background at 0:34 turning his tuning knobs ?
> ;)
>
>
>> 2012/7/8 Pierre Massat :
>> > Dear List,
>> >
>> > I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be heard on Pavement's
>> The
>> > Hexx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5tx68-d2I). It sounds like a
>> > constantly downward detuning reverb, I have no idea if this is an
>> existing
>> > guitar effect or if it was created in studio by Nigel Godrich. My last
>> > attempt resulted in this
>> > (http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/detuning-delay/), which
>> > doesn't really sound like the original at all...
>> >
>> > I think I need delay lines driven by a phasor with a squared output, so
>> that
>> > the speed at which the length of the delays increases is not constant. I
>> > also think I need to envelop the delay lines somehow, and switch between
>> > them so that the maximum length is never reached. But right now I short
>> of
>> > ideas. From what i've found on the web, this should be doable with a
>> > granular delay, but I never used any granular stuff.
>> >
>> > Any suggestion is welcome...
>> >
>> > Cheers!
>> >
>> > Pierre.
>> >
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Re: [PD] Detuning reverb ?

[tim vets]

2012/7/10 Thomas Grill 

> Hi,
> i wouldn't count on it being a live (guitar) effect.
> It can be seen on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eEVpY9rjxQ that it's
> obviously played by use of some midi keyboard.
> gr~~~
>

or maybe it's the guy in the background at 0:34 turning his tuning knobs ?
;)


> 2012/7/8 Pierre Massat :
> > Dear List,
> >
> > I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be heard on Pavement's
> The
> > Hexx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5tx68-d2I). It sounds like a
> > constantly downward detuning reverb, I have no idea if this is an
> existing
> > guitar effect or if it was created in studio by Nigel Godrich. My last
> > attempt resulted in this
> > (http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/detuning-delay/), which
> > doesn't really sound like the original at all...
> >
> > I think I need delay lines driven by a phasor with a squared output, so
> that
> > the speed at which the length of the delays increases is not constant. I
> > also think I need to envelop the delay lines somehow, and switch between
> > them so that the maximum length is never reached. But right now I short
> of
> > ideas. From what i've found on the web, this should be doable with a
> > granular delay, but I never used any granular stuff.
> >
> > Any suggestion is welcome...
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Pierre.
> >
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Re: [PD] Detuning reverb ?

[Thomas Grill]

Hi,
i wouldn't count on it being a live (guitar) effect.
It can be seen on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eEVpY9rjxQ that it's
obviously played by use of some midi keyboard.
gr~~~

2012/7/8 Pierre Massat :
> Dear List,
>
> I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be heard on Pavement's The
> Hexx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5tx68-d2I). It sounds like a
> constantly downward detuning reverb, I have no idea if this is an existing
> guitar effect or if it was created in studio by Nigel Godrich. My last
> attempt resulted in this
> (http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/detuning-delay/), which
> doesn't really sound like the original at all...
>
> I think I need delay lines driven by a phasor with a squared output, so that
> the speed at which the length of the delays increases is not constant. I
> also think I need to envelop the delay lines somehow, and switch between
> them so that the maximum length is never reached. But right now I short of
> ideas. From what i've found on the web, this should be doable with a
> granular delay, but I never used any granular stuff.
>
> Any suggestion is welcome...
>
> Cheers!
>
> Pierre.
>
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Re: [PD] Detuning reverb ?

[Pierre Massat]

Thank you both for your replies!
I tried Lorenzo's solution. It didn't work prefectly at first (there were 2
things to fix, one with the message sent to the line~ controlling the
pitch, the other one a few objects below with a [t b f]), but it's a good
idea and i'm getting something really close to I wanted (I've attached the
patch with my few minor corrections).
Lorenzo, do you mind if i used it on my blog? Of course i'll mention the
author, and your website or blog if you have one.
Johanna, I'll try your option and i'll get back to you.

Cheers!

Pierre.

2012/7/9 Lorenzo Sutton 

> On 08/07/12 19:01, Pierre Massat wrote:
>
>> Dear List,
>>
>> I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be heard on Pavement's
>> The Hexx 
>> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=6N5tx68-d2I).
>> It sounds like a
>> constantly downward detuning reverb,
>>
>
> 'By ear' it sounds like a downward pitch shift triggered/reset at each
> guitar note with a slight gate on the attack itself, the shifting linearly
> (?) going down and with a reverb tail.
>
> Attached is a quick try.
> The pitch-shift part is basically a rip-off of the audio/G09 example by
> Miller and a very rudimentary trigger with [env~] and a pipe (to delay the
> opening). Try playing with the parameters and let me know what you think ;)
>
> Lorenzo.
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Re: [PD] Detuning reverb ?

[Lorenzo Sutton]

On 08/07/12 19:01, Pierre Massat wrote:

Dear List,

I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be heard on Pavement's
The Hexx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5tx68-d2I). It sounds like a
constantly downward detuning reverb,


'By ear' it sounds like a downward pitch shift triggered/reset at each 
guitar note with a slight gate on the attack itself, the shifting 
linearly (?) going down and with a reverb tail.


Attached is a quick try.
The pitch-shift part is basically a rip-off of the audio/G09 example by 
Miller and a very rudimentary trigger with [env~] and a pipe (to delay 
the opening). Try playing with the parameters and let me know what you 
think ;)


Lorenzo.
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Re: [PD] Detuning reverb ?

[Johanna Nowak]

* Pierre Massat  [2012-07-08 19:06]:
> Dear List,
> 
> I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be heard on Pavement's The
> Hexx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5tx68-d2I). It sounds like a
> constantly downward detuning reverb, I have no idea if this is an existing
> guitar effect or if it was created in studio by Nigel Godrich. My last
It is a short delay with a pitch shifter in its feedback loop. The
detuning is a few cents only.

my few cents only :-
Jo

> attempt resulted in this (
> http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/detuning-delay/), which
> doesn't really sound like the original at all...
> 
> I think I need delay lines driven by a phasor with a squared output, so
> that the speed at which the length of the delays increases is not constant.
> I also think I need to envelop the delay lines somehow, and switch between
> them so that the maximum length is never reached. But right now I short of
> ideas. From what i've found on the web, this should be doable with a
> granular delay, but I never used any granular stuff.
> 
> Any suggestion is welcome...
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Pierre.

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[PD] Detuning reverb ?

[Pierre Massat]

Dear List,

I've been trying to recreate the effect that can be heard on Pavement's The
Hexx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N5tx68-d2I). It sounds like a
constantly downward detuning reverb, I have no idea if this is an existing
guitar effect or if it was created in studio by Nigel Godrich. My last
attempt resulted in this (
http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/detuning-delay/), which
doesn't really sound like the original at all...

I think I need delay lines driven by a phasor with a squared output, so
that the speed at which the length of the delays increases is not constant.
I also think I need to envelop the delay lines somehow, and switch between
them so that the maximum length is never reached. But right now I short of
ideas. From what i've found on the web, this should be doable with a
granular delay, but I never used any granular stuff.

Any suggestion is welcome...

Cheers!

Pierre.
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