Re: [PD] access to archives
On 23.01.2014 16:21, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > On 2014-01-23 15:42, Thomas Mayer wrote: >> Hi, > >> IOhannes m zmoelnig schrieb am 23.01.2014 14:26: > >>> - - do you think newsgroups are an appropriate medium these >>> days? > >> as a member of the German Pirate Party, I know for sure, that such >> a thing exists and in fact is used by lots of members. > > this doesn't count. > pirates and other (((schemeing))) hackers are excluded from polls > about an "appropriate medium these days" ;-) My remark was about syncing between mailing lists, NNTP servers and web fora, but I maybe a little awkwardly placed. And to answer that question: yes, I am still reading some newsgroups with my NNTP client. Thomas -- "Prisons are needed only to provide the illusion that courts and police are effective. They're a kind of job insurance." (Leto II. in: Frank Herbert, God Emperor of Dune) http://www.residuum.org/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] access to archives
You can also download the entire archive linked in the top-left corner. http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/ It's in a format called "mbox" that predates various forces attempting to remake the internet in the style of cable-tv (who btw are succeeding, at least in the U.S.). The archive gives you the "content" you're after, and you decide how you want to present it. (Yet another dream of the early web pioneers that's dying a slow death.) You can import that "mbox" file into _any_ email application and it will make sense of it because it's an international standard format for email. There are tutorials for doing this with Thunderbird-- essentially just putting the mbox file in the correct directory and opening the application. Then it will appear and you can browse/search/reorg all those Pd list messages like any other email message. Finally, make a filter to put new incoming Pd-list messages there and you're done. Thunderbird may suggest archiving the thing because it slows down searching, but a slow local search is still faster than the average search on Gmane. You can also download any Thunderbird plugin to display the messages in a newsgroup style, with threading, and all kinds of other options that essentially let you present the messages however it suits you. Unfortunately, this means the Pd-list server has to take a hit while you download the archive. It'd be nice if the Bittorrent protocol had been expanded in the past decade to handle files that grow over time. But again, there is a very real battle against all technology and infrastructure that distributes content at zero cost. So this is the next best thing. -Jonathan On Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:03 AM, Py Fave wrote: is it possible to improve the archive of pd-list ? currently if a discussion spreads on a few monthes , you can't follow it. and it would be easier to have a common interface to use all the informations that "sleep" inside.(sorting by type of content (such as gem, control, audio for instance) i feel it would be useful. to complement the documentation since many discussions are in there make it a forum ? just thinking loud . pierre-yves ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] access to archives
Just want to point out that there also IS a pd forum: http://puredata.hurleur.com/index.php ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] access to archives
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2014-01-23 15:42, Thomas Mayer wrote: > Hi, > > IOhannes m zmoelnig schrieb am 23.01.2014 14:26: > >> - - do you think newsgroups are an appropriate medium these >> days? > > as a member of the German Pirate Party, I know for sure, that such > a thing exists and in fact is used by lots of members. this doesn't count. pirates and other (((schemeing))) hackers are excluded from polls about an "appropriate medium these days" ;-) but thanks for the links. fgamsdr IOhannes PS: and there is always news://news.gmane.org:119/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJS4TN+AAoJELZQGcR/ejb4zHQQAIhqMVLnLdBIXCw6DE2Ma7aZ oNjUaKxobzYW3Kcw8zUSdpvz95r/YhMOkZWAwdUkyYnRytXHWmVxVtSIenEGLU2J pQzBUiho+Wk4+TB38Anfh/sYqc9JjUBA/WNc5hB2Hwb8N+4SxTwcrbNkUzPEwY4D PbAEe2tuSFobiX/NfGL3VaoQrFY0g4QVLugVqhuVNj+mgpZpzv6PM5UBbvZhNt5p ei8x1RfzdG4eh6KclwHld5e/PS0iU/yVgEN/F6Mxnf5EZ4XasBkV96RyEPi4Xh3R Bv4Zx7whKnYGK0Fr7GRhbHo2pld8Ep5tb1XpAaESZ5SCf6ujeMXrnJOex1HnufpE RJuT0nF0ctMA3w1GG4ezsll3K6mne31T0bmqKA0ltiAHu+uxGR9a6us705Cswl+1 pvMqLog5mt6RMys1CUurfSmnz7+dHLgJu6Qyt8HAw12vsIB+gJYEgKZUfHFJ20q5 5nItNdLJTipisZAWO7Goc78Hgbw0D9SSWzvrDGo22YnFMCCHaLbzc4UZzgVPJXnM apiU7VfYkyRWtbGVJyz57JL9y3SNXU0BRFGWg4j6+27d0KycGucYuGFPMrVNZhHr ekgk8fbHaezX83k2tz27EElfD2yh/HQQg4hftQQRgUe03mOa80l+arcB2RDTGOga /7fSZur8K4iZGCL2UGfo =uHJV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] access to archives
Hi, IOhannes m zmoelnig schrieb am 23.01.2014 14:26: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 2014-01-23 14:00, Py Fave wrote: >> is it possible to improve the archive of pd-list ? >> >> make it a forum ? >> > > that would require a bidirectional setup, which is not so trivial. > mailman has an interface to newsgroups, but > - - i've never used it > - - someone has to run a news-server > - - do you think newsgroups are an appropriate medium these days? Addendum: The setup requires a NNTP-Server, see the Readme: https://github.com/annando/Syncom Hth, Thomas ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] access to archives
Hi, IOhannes m zmoelnig schrieb am 23.01.2014 14:26: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 2014-01-23 14:00, Py Fave wrote: >> is it possible to improve the archive of pd-list ? >> > > sure. how? > >> >> make it a forum ? >> > > that would require a bidirectional setup, which is not so trivial. > mailman has an interface to newsgroups, but > - - i've never used it > - - someone has to run a news-server > - - do you think newsgroups are an appropriate medium these days? as a member of the German Pirate Party, I know for sure, that such a thing exists and in fact is used by lots of members. According the (obsolete) documentation, the mailing lists use Mailman as well, so if you want, I can ask the admin team for up-to-date information: https://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Syncom/Technik Hth, Thomas ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] access to archives
thanks, http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general fits for me ! 2014/1/23 IOhannes m zmoelnig > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 2014-01-23 14:00, Py Fave wrote: > > is it possible to improve the archive of pd-list ? > > > > sure. how? > > > > > currently if a discussion spreads on a few monthes , you can't > > follow it. > > > > and it would be easier to have a common interface to use all the > > informations that "sleep" inside.(sorting by type of content (such > > as gem, control, audio for instance) > > > > i feel it would be useful. to complement the documentation since > > many discussions are in there > > definitely. > i haven't found any list archiving software yet, that really fits our > needs (and which integrates nicely with mailman). > > but i'm very open for suggestions (esp. if they point towards an > implementation). > > in the meantime you can use one of the 3rd party archives > > http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-list@iem.at/ > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general > http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general > > > > > make it a forum ? > > > > that would require a bidirectional setup, which is not so trivial. > mailman has an interface to newsgroups, but > - - i've never used it > - - someone has to run a news-server > - - do you think newsgroups are an appropriate medium these days? > > ah, and gmane provides a newsgroup gateway anyhow... > > fgasr > IOhannes > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1 > Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJS4RiEAAoJELZQGcR/ejb4aOcP/1dg9Ij0wsOAtRuemFR8vepE > uInQsrw4avt4N4aZ5m2ukQDCUpNE+cJNM3f8uIB5apl7ZrG06HV2Y92i3CrZRjt1 > iSsIOQfjI78u9DniPD+31k48WGIa6e7OxmLMuaMboFwubo1TIH11ZEjvFjkvQ8Xr > xmMfp9xp9w0HUBFdw8aAWr5uoQ3HIBCoU/18NPufjwLOjX9mgINVltJHCTLAjHPG > QU3cwoP1mys8tIbyDcQozK3B1mldPbutokNM7lowjFv1f3LS1xF0Mey9d8BMXb7r > ZW5y8CNHgtjRl1ookxBzRHKgdf07aNp3d+dFzaT8yxVmKxbbMsnAX45IdxPQPBBu > TQR6oHdTEEaIPf4ixSH2utNX1oXJc5Z9QguVd/Vx4UgQtyOzc5IuiFJup/MxyxWd > hnlqdK5OzXEE69Mn8TQpdrrH9p32jlR+YsNjvN3Q5cHNNi13CGVMq4Lv28EItPFb > CmevZ6Y0+HkEbeehdezsaHPfb47LRFJxUswdxO1ygCM55pPsYGhWfLjTxngxhxZP > 54ymZ/wbFqZK4OwB5gFzK2RXdu0OVwZdwZ8qxMclomgntDrCPUj8DIBEXqrpaGtR > FHP1mo6KSwENR5YR+MBi1Bd9UIEwSlrleAJdQ11udM3jslJhTyP90+5Ltv+6jfPB > aBiEmAAyfp2RzE6icVDX > =NZad > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] access to archives
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2014-01-23 14:00, Py Fave wrote: > is it possible to improve the archive of pd-list ? > sure. how? > > currently if a discussion spreads on a few monthes , you can't > follow it. > > and it would be easier to have a common interface to use all the > informations that "sleep" inside.(sorting by type of content (such > as gem, control, audio for instance) > > i feel it would be useful. to complement the documentation since > many discussions are in there definitely. i haven't found any list archiving software yet, that really fits our needs (and which integrates nicely with mailman). but i'm very open for suggestions (esp. if they point towards an implementation). in the meantime you can use one of the 3rd party archives http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-list@iem.at/ http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general > > make it a forum ? > that would require a bidirectional setup, which is not so trivial. mailman has an interface to newsgroups, but - - i've never used it - - someone has to run a news-server - - do you think newsgroups are an appropriate medium these days? ah, and gmane provides a newsgroup gateway anyhow... fgasr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJS4RiEAAoJELZQGcR/ejb4aOcP/1dg9Ij0wsOAtRuemFR8vepE uInQsrw4avt4N4aZ5m2ukQDCUpNE+cJNM3f8uIB5apl7ZrG06HV2Y92i3CrZRjt1 iSsIOQfjI78u9DniPD+31k48WGIa6e7OxmLMuaMboFwubo1TIH11ZEjvFjkvQ8Xr xmMfp9xp9w0HUBFdw8aAWr5uoQ3HIBCoU/18NPufjwLOjX9mgINVltJHCTLAjHPG QU3cwoP1mys8tIbyDcQozK3B1mldPbutokNM7lowjFv1f3LS1xF0Mey9d8BMXb7r ZW5y8CNHgtjRl1ookxBzRHKgdf07aNp3d+dFzaT8yxVmKxbbMsnAX45IdxPQPBBu TQR6oHdTEEaIPf4ixSH2utNX1oXJc5Z9QguVd/Vx4UgQtyOzc5IuiFJup/MxyxWd hnlqdK5OzXEE69Mn8TQpdrrH9p32jlR+YsNjvN3Q5cHNNi13CGVMq4Lv28EItPFb CmevZ6Y0+HkEbeehdezsaHPfb47LRFJxUswdxO1ygCM55pPsYGhWfLjTxngxhxZP 54ymZ/wbFqZK4OwB5gFzK2RXdu0OVwZdwZ8qxMclomgntDrCPUj8DIBEXqrpaGtR FHP1mo6KSwENR5YR+MBi1Bd9UIEwSlrleAJdQ11udM3jslJhTyP90+5Ltv+6jfPB aBiEmAAyfp2RzE6icVDX =NZad -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] access to archives
do you know you have different ways of accessing the archive? http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-list@iem.at/ http://markmail.org/browse/at.iem.pd-list n Le 23/01/14 14:00, Py Fave a écrit : > is it possible to improve the archive of pd-list ? > > > currently if a discussion spreads on a few monthes , > you can't follow it. > > and it would be easier to have a common interface to use all the > informations that "sleep" inside.(sorting by type of content (such as > gem, control, audio for instance) > > i feel it would be useful. > to complement the documentation since many discussions are in there > > make it a forum ? > > just thinking loud . > > pierre-yves > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://www.nimon.org ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] access to archives
is it possible to improve the archive of pd-list ? currently if a discussion spreads on a few monthes , you can't follow it. and it would be easier to have a common interface to use all the informations that "sleep" inside.(sorting by type of content (such as gem, control, audio for instance) i feel it would be useful. to complement the documentation since many discussions are in there make it a forum ? just thinking loud . pierre-yves ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
