Re: [PD] newbie questions(ableton)
What makes firefox good is that they have a MASSIVE budget, so they can hire people, etc. Pd has a miniscule budget, it's mostly volunteer effort. So you can either contribute on the volunteer end of things, or on the money end of things, and things will get better. I'd like to see Pd bounties as one way to lure more developers to get involved. .hc On Feb 14, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote: > Sigh...I don't even want to get into this. Live/Pd integration is a > big PITA right now, so I don't even mess w/ it right now. > > It makes me sad, but I can't afford the $850 for Max/MSP/Jitter, which > works pretty well for a lot of people with Live (Live costs money too, > but I bought it a long time ago and it's worth it). > > Basically, I can choose to either have a stable realtime DAW that can > also do much of the live improv stuff that I need for performance...or > I can try really buggy unstable ideas without a very dedicated > framework. > > Also, the sheer slowdown that Pd experiences on OSX is bad, especially > when running Pd with other programs simultaneously. Wrangling with the > feedback loops and routing is also a big pain. Icky! So right now it's > either professional slickness and ease-of-use of Ableton Live, or back > to the trial and error and endless tinkering with Pd that eerily > reminds me of some trying to use Debian in 2000 (couldn't even get X11 > configured properly for my video card after like 80 hours). > > It makes me seriously think about trying an approach using my 10-in > 10-out interface to connect a linux machine directly into my Live > environment, and use MIDI signals to communicate across the machines. > > At least the Linux end of Pd is top notch...too bad I have to echo > Roman on the point that proprietary tools are still pretty necessary > to have a workflow ease that approaches professional practice. I'm > still hoping, but not expecting results like netscape -> firefox for > another 10 years. Maybe MOTU will go under and open-source DP. > > I know, I'm a complainer. I'd rather play my guitar than cut it > from a tree etc. > > ~Kyle > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 8:43 AM, David Plans Casal > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On 13 Feb 2008, at 13:48, Derek Holzer wrote: >> >>> Latest version of Ableton (Live 7)doesn't seem to work with JackOSX. >>> Too >>> bad. I used this method for a while with Live 5 and it worked fine. >> >> I just tried Live 7 taking channels from Soundflower and sending to >> Soundflower from PD, and that works fine. >> >> http://www.cycling74.com/products/soundflower >> >> d >> >> >> >> ___ >> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ >> listinfo/pd-list >> > > > > -- > - > > - > - -- > http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com > http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > listinfo/pd-list News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] newbie questions(ableton)
Sigh...I don't even want to get into this. Live/Pd integration is a big PITA right now, so I don't even mess w/ it right now. It makes me sad, but I can't afford the $850 for Max/MSP/Jitter, which works pretty well for a lot of people with Live (Live costs money too, but I bought it a long time ago and it's worth it). Basically, I can choose to either have a stable realtime DAW that can also do much of the live improv stuff that I need for performance...or I can try really buggy unstable ideas without a very dedicated framework. Also, the sheer slowdown that Pd experiences on OSX is bad, especially when running Pd with other programs simultaneously. Wrangling with the feedback loops and routing is also a big pain. Icky! So right now it's either professional slickness and ease-of-use of Ableton Live, or back to the trial and error and endless tinkering with Pd that eerily reminds me of some trying to use Debian in 2000 (couldn't even get X11 configured properly for my video card after like 80 hours). It makes me seriously think about trying an approach using my 10-in 10-out interface to connect a linux machine directly into my Live environment, and use MIDI signals to communicate across the machines. At least the Linux end of Pd is top notch...too bad I have to echo Roman on the point that proprietary tools are still pretty necessary to have a workflow ease that approaches professional practice. I'm still hoping, but not expecting results like netscape -> firefox for another 10 years. Maybe MOTU will go under and open-source DP. I know, I'm a complainer. I'd rather play my guitar than cut it from a tree etc. ~Kyle On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 8:43 AM, David Plans Casal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 13 Feb 2008, at 13:48, Derek Holzer wrote: > > > Latest version of Ableton (Live 7)doesn't seem to work with JackOSX. > > Too > > bad. I used this method for a while with Live 5 and it worked fine. > > I just tried Live 7 taking channels from Soundflower and sending to > Soundflower from PD, and that works fine. > > http://www.cycling74.com/products/soundflower > > d > > > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] newbie questions(ableton)
On 13 Feb 2008, at 13:48, Derek Holzer wrote: > Latest version of Ableton (Live 7)doesn't seem to work with JackOSX. > Too > bad. I used this method for a while with Live 5 and it worked fine. I just tried Live 7 taking channels from Soundflower and sending to Soundflower from PD, and that works fine. http://www.cycling74.com/products/soundflower d ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] newbie questions(ableton)
Latest version of Ableton (Live 7)doesn't seem to work with JackOSX. Too bad. I used this method for a while with Live 5 and it worked fine. d. Kevin McCoy wrote: > As of now, I think the only way is to route through Jack OSX - there > was supposed to be something going on with a "pluggo pd" as per Google > Summer of Code, but I don't know what happened with that. Jack is not > the most convenient solution here, but it is known to work... > > http://jackosx.com/ > > Kevin > > On Feb 12, 2008 9:01 PM, Steve Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> i was wondering if it is possible to use pure data as plug in in ableton >> live 5...perhaps as a vst or some sort of other way to integrate the two >> programs...thanks everyone. later. steve. -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 76: "Give the game away" ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] newbie questions(ableton)
there is a version of pd, that can be used as a vst plugin on a windows machine. http://crca.ucsd.edu/~jsarlo/pdvst/ roman On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 02:01 +, Steve Arnett wrote: > i was wondering if it is possible to use pure data as plug in in > ableton live 5...perhaps as a vst or some sort of other way to > integrate the two programs...thanks everyone. later. steve. > > > __ > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get > your "fix". Check it out. > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Der fr�he Vogel f�ngt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] newbie questions(ableton)
Whoa, sorry - I automatically assumed you were on a Mac, and I shouldn't have - I don't know of any solution for Windows though.. On Feb 12, 2008 10:50 PM, Kevin McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As of now, I think the only way is to route through Jack OSX - there > was supposed to be something going on with a "pluggo pd" as per Google > Summer of Code, but I don't know what happened with that. Jack is not > the most convenient solution here, but it is known to work... > > http://jackosx.com/ > > Kevin > > On Feb 12, 2008 9:01 PM, Steve Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > i was wondering if it is possible to use pure data as plug in in ableton > > live 5...perhaps as a vst or some sort of other way to integrate the two > > programs...thanks everyone. later. steve. > > > > > > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail(R)-get > > your > > "fix". Check it out. > > > > ___ > > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > > > -- > > > http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy > -- http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] newbie questions(ableton)
As of now, I think the only way is to route through Jack OSX - there was supposed to be something going on with a "pluggo pd" as per Google Summer of Code, but I don't know what happened with that. Jack is not the most convenient solution here, but it is known to work... http://jackosx.com/ Kevin On Feb 12, 2008 9:01 PM, Steve Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i was wondering if it is possible to use pure data as plug in in ableton > live 5...perhaps as a vst or some sort of other way to integrate the two > programs...thanks everyone. later. steve. > > > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail(R)-get your > "fix". Check it out. > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > -- http://art.sewanee.edu/mccoy ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] newbie questions(ableton)
i was wondering if it is possible to use pure data as plug in in ableton live 5...perhaps as a vst or some sort of other way to integrate the two programs...thanks everyone. later. steve. _ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
