Re: [PD] sequencer app for osx (Iannis Xenakis?)
Hallo Ignacio, ah, I see. Unfortunately I don't know of available software here. In your situation, I would try to directly contact Peter Hoffmann. Siegfried Koepf Ignacio Viano wrote: Thanks Siegfried, that's what I already have. Actually, what I'm looking for is the software itself. Any ideas about that? Thanks Ignacio ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sequencer app for osx (Iannis Xenakis?)
Am 12.08.2008 um 14:07 schrieb s.koepf: Hallo Ignacio, ah, I see. Unfortunately I don't know of available software here. In your situation, I would try to directly contact Peter Hoffmann. Did so earlier this dayi am interested, too... Just to have a look at it.. Lets keep in touch if someone gets the App (And of course if Peter Hoffmann is willing to share it) Best Luigi Siegfried Koepf Ignacio Viano wrote: Thanks Siegfried, that's what I already have. Actually, what I'm looking for is the software itself. Any ideas about that? Thanks Ignacio - --- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sequencer app for osx (Iannis Xenakis?)
Isn't there an implementation of GENDYN in Supercollider? http://danielnouri.org/docs/SuperColliderHelp/UGens/Oscillators/Gendy2.html best, Derek Luigi Rensinghoff wrote: Am 12.08.2008 um 14:07 schrieb s.koepf: Hallo Ignacio, ah, I see. Unfortunately I don't know of available software here. In your situation, I would try to directly contact Peter Hoffmann. Did so earlier this dayi am interested, too... Just to have a look at it.. Lets keep in touch if someone gets the App (And of course if Peter Hoffmann is willing to share it) Best Luigi Siegfried Koepf Ignacio Viano wrote: Thanks Siegfried, that's what I already have. Actually, what I'm looking for is the software itself. Any ideas about that? Thanks Ignacio - --- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 149: Take a break ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sequencer app for osx (Iannis Xenakis?)
cool good to know Am 12.08.2008 um 14:39 schrieb Derek Holzer: Isn't there an implementation of GENDYN in Supercollider? http://danielnouri.org/docs/SuperColliderHelp/UGens/Oscillators/ Gendy2.html best, Derek Luigi Rensinghoff wrote: Am 12.08.2008 um 14:07 schrieb s.koepf: Hallo Ignacio, ah, I see. Unfortunately I don't know of available software here. In your situation, I would try to directly contact Peter Hoffmann. Did so earlier this dayi am interested, too... Just to have a look at it.. Lets keep in touch if someone gets the App (And of course if Peter Hoffmann is willing to share it) Best Luigi Siegfried Koepf Ignacio Viano wrote: Thanks Siegfried, that's what I already have. Actually, what I'm looking for is the software itself. Any ideas about that? Thanks Ignacio --- -- --- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic.nl ::: http://blog.myspace.com/ macumbista ---Oblique Strategy # 149: Take a break ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sequencer app for osx (Iannis Xenakis?)
Hi Siegfried. Yes, I'm you are right. In fact, I've already tried to contact him but the e-mail address that is published in the paper is not working. May be I should send him a letter by post mail. Ignacio ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sequencer app for osx (Iannis Xenakis?)
Thank you very much Derek. I'll take a look at it, but first I have to learn some Supercollider basic sintaxis. Ignacio ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sequencer app for osx (Iannis Xenakis?)
Florian Hecker and Russell Haswell have done a lot of Xenakis based stuff over the years. Hecker had a full suite of things for SC 1 and 2, and they use the UPIC system now. On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Derek Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't there an implementation of GENDYN in Supercollider? http://danielnouri.org/docs/SuperColliderHelp/UGens/Oscillators/Gendy2.html best, Derek ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sequencer app for osx
Did you try this? http://iannix.la-kitchen.fr/ On 10 Aug 2008, at 19:39, Martin Schied wrote: I'm also looking for various midi and OSC sequencers (not only for pd) at the moment and have found some promising and some not-so promising applications: -Promising: Ardour is going to support midi (currently only in svn) - didn't try it yet, but I will do soon. Interface looks very usable on screenshots. Midi editing in EnergyXT2 was also fine - but it can't send midi until now as far as i know. It's nonfree (about 50$): piano roll, with blocks: yes drag start and end points to control noteon/noteoff points: yes (doubleclick creates new notes) quantize to a grid of any size you want (and off): yes hot-key: yes lines down the bottom control velocity: yes super-intuitive scroll: yes (mouswheel + keyboard) super-intuitive zoom: yes, but no vertical zoom (?) ability of fullscreen editing in a separate window: yes, but I wasn't able to expand distinct tracks, but I think that's possible too. Qtractor seemed to be very usable too in current version (0.2.0, build 2008/08/10): piano roll, with blocks: yes drag start and end points to control noteon/noteoff points: yes quantize to a grid of any size you want (and off): yes hot-key: no (or i didn't find it) lines down the bottom control velocity: yes super-intuitive scroll: yes (mouswheel + keyboard) super-intuitive zoom: yes, but no mouse-wheel-shortcut ability of fullscreen editing in a separate window Currently I'm using Mackie Tracktion (using wine under Linux) for midi recording and editing, but its GUI is too CPU consuming for bigger projects. piano roll, with blocks: yes drag start and end points to control noteon/noteoff points: yes quantize to a grid of any size you want (and off): no fixed gridsize, but changing gridsize at different zoom-levels (very intuitive) hot- key: yes lines down the bottom control velocity: yes super-intuitive scroll: yes (mouswheel + keyboard) super-intuitive zoom: yes ability of fullscreen editing in a separate window: no -Working but not my flavour of using a Sequencer (didn't try velocity editing and shortcuts) Rosegarden MusE -Not so promising: too many... (-; some links to some links: https://puredata.info/Members/syntax_the_nerd/seqwiki/Sequencerwikihome/ http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/linux/MIDI_SEQUENCERS/ hope I could help someone. Martin Damian Stewart wrote: Martin Peach wrote: (since i haven't yet found a pure Pd sequencer i'm happy with) What makes you sad about Pd sequencers? Maybe it's fixable. have you ever used Ableton's MIDI sequencer? it's a piano roll, with blocks for notes. drag start and end points to control noteon/noteoff points. quantize to a grid of any size you want (switchable with a hot-key) or turn off quantization completely to finetune timing (for that little 'humanized' extra, whatever that might mean). super-intuitive scroll and zoom with a single mouse button drag in the top. the main features in this i'm interested in is the quantization grid control, and the ability to super fine-tune note durations. lines down the bottom control velocity. if you have two notes on the piano roll trigger at the same time, it's super-easy to choose which note's velocity you're editing. i don't believe it's do-able in Pd, not without a ridiculous amount of work, and i'm too lazy to do the work myself (and if i wasn't, i'd do it from scratch in a different programming language eg Processing or C+ +, rather than fighting Tcl/Tk). Why not run three instances of midifile or even textfile with the same data? yes, this is what i'm already doing. the problem is generating said midifile/textfiles in the first place. - easy access to velocity and note duration Do you mean that the thing should output the duration at the same time as the note-on, or the file should be readable in a text editor? no, i mean that i should be able to easily see and edit the duration and the velocity without having to think or do much work. see above.. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sequencer app for osx (Iannis Xenakis?)
Talking about Iannis Xenakis: does anybody know about a complilation or rewriting of Xenakis's GenDy program used to compose Gendy3 and S709 (at least)? I know of one made by someone called Peter Hoffman (if my memory doesn't fail me), but i couldn't find it anywhere. Any ideas? Thank you all. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sequencer app for osx (Iannis Xenakis?)
Thanks Siegfried, that's what I already have. Actually, what I'm looking for is the software itself. Any ideas about that? Thanks Ignacio ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sequencer app for osx (Iannis Xenakis?)
Hello Ignacio, if you google GENDYN you will find: Peter Hoffmann, The New GENDYN Program, Computer Music Journal, vol. 24, no. 2 Siegfried Koepf Ignacio Viano wrote: Talking about Iannis Xenakis: does anybody know about a complilation or rewriting of Xenakis's GenDy program used to compose Gendy3 and S709 (at least)? I know of one made by someone called Peter Hoffman (if my memory doesn't fail me), but i couldn't find it anywhere. Any ideas? Thank you all. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sequencer app for osx
i don't believe it's do-able in Pd, not without a ridiculous amount of work, and i'm too lazy to do the work myself (and if i wasn't, i'd do it from scratch in a different programming language eg Processing or C++, rather than fighting Tcl/Tk). I started a tcl-tk piano-roll project, with no knowledge of tcl-tk language, no one proposed to help, no one did care, I stopped the project because the external toxy for building widgets is not any more developped http://megalego.free.fr/pd/pianoroll/ I've also tried to make one with tk-inter with using pyext, is rather horrible, even more difficult than using toxy syntax. I've learned a lot about data structure, it's crappy for drawing but not for sequencing (because it's faster than any message system), it's even the best thing in pd for sequencing messages, without using the old MIDI midi protocol as it is handled by pd internal objects. I believe that it would be possible to make something good with using Gem for interfacing the sequencer, data structures for sequencing messages, I'll try to waste my time on this as well. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sequencer app for osx
Hi, have a look at damien henry's Open Timeline project too: http://dh7.free.fr/ Screenshot: http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=91424 Peter Patrice Colet wrote: i don't believe it's do-able in Pd, not without a ridiculous amount of work, and i'm too lazy to do the work myself (and if i wasn't, i'd do it from scratch in a different programming language eg Processing or C++, rather than fighting Tcl/Tk). I started a tcl-tk piano-roll project, with no knowledge of tcl-tk language, no one proposed to help, no one did care, I stopped the project because the external toxy for building widgets is not any more developped http://megalego.free.fr/pd/pianoroll/ I've also tried to make one with tk-inter with using pyext, is rather horrible, even more difficult than using toxy syntax. I've learned a lot about data structure, it's crappy for drawing but not for sequencing (because it's faster than any message system), it's even the best thing in pd for sequencing messages, without using the old MIDI midi protocol as it is handled by pd internal objects. I believe that it would be possible to make something good with using Gem for interfacing the sequencer, data structures for sequencing messages, I'll try to waste my time on this as well. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sequencer app for osx
I'm also looking for various midi and OSC sequencers (not only for pd) at the moment and have found some promising and some not-so promising applications: -Promising: Ardour is going to support midi (currently only in svn) - didn't try it yet, but I will do soon. Interface looks very usable on screenshots. Midi editing in EnergyXT2 was also fine - but it can't send midi until now as far as i know. It's nonfree (about 50$): piano roll, with blocks: yes drag start and end points to control noteon/noteoff points: yes (doubleclick creates new notes) quantize to a grid of any size you want (and off): yes hot-key: yes lines down the bottom control velocity: yes super-intuitive scroll: yes (mouswheel + keyboard) super-intuitive zoom: yes, but no vertical zoom (?) ability of fullscreen editing in a separate window: yes, but I wasn't able to expand distinct tracks, but I think that's possible too. Qtractor seemed to be very usable too in current version (0.2.0, build 2008/08/10): piano roll, with blocks: yes drag start and end points to control noteon/noteoff points: yes quantize to a grid of any size you want (and off): yes hot-key: no (or i didn't find it) lines down the bottom control velocity: yes super-intuitive scroll: yes (mouswheel + keyboard) super-intuitive zoom: yes, but no mouse-wheel-shortcut ability of fullscreen editing in a separate window Currently I'm using Mackie Tracktion (using wine under Linux) for midi recording and editing, but its GUI is too CPU consuming for bigger projects. piano roll, with blocks: yes drag start and end points to control noteon/noteoff points: yes quantize to a grid of any size you want (and off): no fixed gridsize, but changing gridsize at different zoom-levels (very intuitive) hot-key: yes lines down the bottom control velocity: yes super-intuitive scroll: yes (mouswheel + keyboard) super-intuitive zoom: yes ability of fullscreen editing in a separate window: no -Working but not my flavour of using a Sequencer (didn't try velocity editing and shortcuts) Rosegarden MusE -Not so promising: too many... (-; some links to some links: https://puredata.info/Members/syntax_the_nerd/seqwiki/Sequencerwikihome/ http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/linux/MIDI_SEQUENCERS/ hope I could help someone. Martin Damian Stewart wrote: Martin Peach wrote: (since i haven't yet found a pure Pd sequencer i'm happy with) What makes you sad about Pd sequencers? Maybe it's fixable. have you ever used Ableton's MIDI sequencer? it's a piano roll, with blocks for notes. drag start and end points to control noteon/noteoff points. quantize to a grid of any size you want (switchable with a hot-key) or turn off quantization completely to finetune timing (for that little 'humanized' extra, whatever that might mean). super-intuitive scroll and zoom with a single mouse button drag in the top. the main features in this i'm interested in is the quantization grid control, and the ability to super fine-tune note durations. lines down the bottom control velocity. if you have two notes on the piano roll trigger at the same time, it's super-easy to choose which note's velocity you're editing. i don't believe it's do-able in Pd, not without a ridiculous amount of work, and i'm too lazy to do the work myself (and if i wasn't, i'd do it from scratch in a different programming language eg Processing or C++, rather than fighting Tcl/Tk). Why not run three instances of midifile or even textfile with the same data? yes, this is what i'm already doing. the problem is generating said midifile/textfiles in the first place. - easy access to velocity and note duration Do you mean that the thing should output the duration at the same time as the note-on, or the file should be readable in a text editor? no, i mean that i should be able to easily see and edit the duration and the velocity without having to think or do much work. see above.. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] sequencer app for osx
hey, can anyone recommend a good sequencer application for MacOSX? i'm currently using Ableton Live to send MIDI data through the IAC bus to control Pd (since i haven't yet found a pure Pd sequencer i'm happy with), but i'd like to move more toward free software, and also it's a bit of a pain to transfer loops from Ableton to Pd for standalone playback. features it must have: - ability to run different length loops at the same time (eg a 1-bar loop on one layer, a 2-bar loop on another layer, and a 3-beat loop on a third layer) - easy access to velocity and note duration otherwise i'm pretty easy. if nothing turns up i'm considering writing one myself with openFrameworks or Processing.. cheers d -- damian stewart | +31 6 8178 5197 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] frey | live art with machines | http://www.frey.co.nz ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sequencer app for osx
Damian Stewart wrote: hey, can anyone recommend a good sequencer application for MacOSX? i'm currently using Ableton Live to send MIDI data through the IAC bus to control Pd (since i haven't yet found a pure Pd sequencer i'm happy with) What makes you sad about Pd sequencers? Maybe it's fixable. , but i'd like to move more toward free software, and also it's a bit of a pain to transfer loops from Ableton to Pd for standalone playback. features it must have: - ability to run different length loops at the same time (eg a 1-bar loop on one layer, a 2-bar loop on another layer, and a 3-beat loop on a third layer) Why not run three instances of midifile or even textfile with the same data? - easy access to velocity and note duration Do you mean that the thing should output the duration at the same time as the note-on, or the file should be readable in a text editor? Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sequencer app for osx
Martin Peach wrote: (since i haven't yet found a pure Pd sequencer i'm happy with) What makes you sad about Pd sequencers? Maybe it's fixable. have you ever used Ableton's MIDI sequencer? it's a piano roll, with blocks for notes. drag start and end points to control noteon/noteoff points. quantize to a grid of any size you want (switchable with a hot-key) or turn off quantization completely to finetune timing (for that little 'humanized' extra, whatever that might mean). super-intuitive scroll and zoom with a single mouse button drag in the top. the main features in this i'm interested in is the quantization grid control, and the ability to super fine-tune note durations. lines down the bottom control velocity. if you have two notes on the piano roll trigger at the same time, it's super-easy to choose which note's velocity you're editing. i don't believe it's do-able in Pd, not without a ridiculous amount of work, and i'm too lazy to do the work myself (and if i wasn't, i'd do it from scratch in a different programming language eg Processing or C++, rather than fighting Tcl/Tk). Why not run three instances of midifile or even textfile with the same data? yes, this is what i'm already doing. the problem is generating said midifile/textfiles in the first place. - easy access to velocity and note duration Do you mean that the thing should output the duration at the same time as the note-on, or the file should be readable in a text editor? no, i mean that i should be able to easily see and edit the duration and the velocity without having to think or do much work. see above.. -- damian stewart | +31 6 8178 5197 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] frey | live art with machines | http://www.frey.co.nz ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] sequencer app for osx
Yo Damien, I've been working on exactly that for the past few months using Pd's venerable data structures. It has quantization, a piano underlay, draggable notes, draggable lengths, draggable velocity, zooming X Y, draggable looping, the whole bit (layers coming soon, but you can of course run many of them side by side; I'm working on a synchronization system since running multiple instances makes it more fun to do polyrhythms). Thanks to some wonderful shortcuts Miller built in to DS arrays, you can add and remove notes (and even shift groups of notes) really easily. But, there are some bugs in Pd that prevent it from being everyday usable... the two major ones are that the notes are in a quantized DS array (for performance reasons), which exposes a very painful interaction bug where dragging is just close enough to working to be horribly frustrating, and editing the notes (to change lengths or velocity) only really works for the notes closest to time 0. And, finally, Z-ordering is undefined and gets screwed up every time you open the window (but, I've worked around that one for the most part with some hacks). So, I'll wrap it up and post it after I locate all the stuff necessary to run it. It should convince you that such a thing is most definitely attainable in Pd, and perhaps Miller will be so excited that his language for the future of music is being used to make a 30-year old interface, that he will go fix the bugs immediately : ) (I promise though Miller, my actual goal is to build a happy environment for both traditional grid-note-editing and graphical type stuff like in 4.data.structures/07.sequencer) Back soon, Luke On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Damian Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Peach wrote: (since i haven't yet found a pure Pd sequencer i'm happy with) What makes you sad about Pd sequencers? Maybe it's fixable. have you ever used Ableton's MIDI sequencer? it's a piano roll, with blocks for notes. drag start and end points to control noteon/noteoff points. quantize to a grid of any size you want (switchable with a hot-key) or turn off quantization completely to finetune timing (for that little 'humanized' extra, whatever that might mean). super-intuitive scroll and zoom with a single mouse button drag in the top. the main features in this i'm interested in is the quantization grid control, and the ability to super fine-tune note durations. lines down the bottom control velocity. if you have two notes on the piano roll trigger at the same time, it's super-easy to choose which note's velocity you're editing. i don't believe it's do-able in Pd, not without a ridiculous amount of work, and i'm too lazy to do the work myself (and if i wasn't, i'd do it from scratch in a different programming language eg Processing or C++, rather than fighting Tcl/Tk). Why not run three instances of midifile or even textfile with the same data? yes, this is what i'm already doing. the problem is generating said midifile/textfiles in the first place. - easy access to velocity and note duration Do you mean that the thing should output the duration at the same time as the note-on, or the file should be readable in a text editor? no, i mean that i should be able to easily see and edit the duration and the velocity without having to think or do much work. see above.. -- damian stewart | +31 6 8178 5197 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] frey | live art with machines | http://www.frey.co.nz ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
