Re: [PD] GUI switching control scenes

2009-11-19 Thread João Pais

the only slightly "annoying" stuff is that changing every time the GOP's
offset, when you close the patch you are requested to save. Is there a
workaround for this?


unfortunately not. donecanvasdialog makes the patch "dirty". I've asked  
for it to be changed, but no reply. you try making pressure for that as  
well.


João

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Re: [PD] GUI switching control scenes

2009-11-19 Thread Marco Donnarumma
hey thanks Joao,
your last advice - [donecanvasdialog... ( - wins by now:

- No pop-up needed (is it possible to have the same result of [vis $1( in a
parent patch avoiding pop-up?)
- get rid of scroll bars appearing here and there
- clean and neat (push 4 buttons get 4 workspaces)
- easy to implement

the only slightly "annoying" stuff is that changing every time the GOP's
offset, when you close the patch you are requested to save. Is there a
workaround for this?

Check the simple&fast example attached.
cheers


M




On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 3:24 PM, João Pais  wrote:

> another approach could be to make a very big gop with all your different
> workspaces in it. and then change the canvas offset parameters with
> [donecanvasdialog ...( to show only the part you have. that would in reality
> create workspaces in a big canvas.
>
>
>  much thanks everybody for pointing out those examples, that's what i
>> needed.
>> I will be experimenting and posting some results.
>> the [vis $1( approach looks promising, i have to test what about clicks in
>> sound while using it in runtime with big GOP.
>>
>> If anybody has still other ideas about different approaches is more than
>> welcome.
>> talk soon,
>> cheers
>>
>>
>> Marco
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Si Mills  wrote:
>>
>>  This might be useful
>>> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2006-04/037439.html
>>>
>>> bot abstractions use this technique. You could have a parent abstraction
>>> containing gop subpatches, and then overlay them. Switch on/off their
>>> visibility with 'vis' property messages
>>>
>>> On 19 Nov 2009, at 14:32, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, now I see JN, yes i know that, but i'm looking for a solution within
>>> Pd
>>> itself, using only one parent patch to include and visualize different
>>> subpatches alternatively. It's about usability of a software developed in
>>> Pd, not about my personal laptop's screen resolution.
>>>
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/11/19 Jean-Noël Montagné 
>>>
>>>   on linux and macos you can define many other workspaces to extend the
 size of your desk. on OSX, the software is "spaces",

 JN

 Thanks JN,
 mm.. sorry dumb question, could you specify what you mean by "different
 screen spaces"?

 (better keep the conversation on the list so others can participate too)


  2009/11/19 Jean-Noël Montagné 

 did you try to work with diffrent screen spaces ( on linux and macosx) ?

 JN




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Re: [PD] GUI switching control scenes

2009-11-19 Thread João Pais
another approach could be to make a very big gop with all your different  
workspaces in it. and then change the canvas offset parameters with  
[donecanvasdialog ...( to show only the part you have. that would in  
reality create workspaces in a big canvas.


much thanks everybody for pointing out those examples, that's what i  
needed.

I will be experimenting and posting some results.
the [vis $1( approach looks promising, i have to test what about clicks  
in

sound while using it in runtime with big GOP.

If anybody has still other ideas about different approaches is more than
welcome.
talk soon,
cheers


Marco




On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Si Mills  wrote:


This might be useful
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2006-04/037439.html

bot abstractions use this technique. You could have a parent abstraction
containing gop subpatches, and then overlay them. Switch on/off their
visibility with 'vis' property messages

On 19 Nov 2009, at 14:32, Marco Donnarumma wrote:

Ok, now I see JN, yes i know that, but i'm looking for a solution  
within Pd

itself, using only one parent patch to include and visualize different
subpatches alternatively. It's about usability of a software developed  
in

Pd, not about my personal laptop's screen resolution.


M




2009/11/19 Jean-Noël Montagné 


 on linux and macos you can define many other workspaces to extend the
size of your desk. on OSX, the software is "spaces",

JN

Thanks JN,
mm.. sorry dumb question, could you specify what you mean by "different
screen spaces"?

(better keep the conversation on the list so others can participate  
too)



 2009/11/19 Jean-Noël Montagné 

did you try to work with diffrent screen spaces ( on linux and macosx)  
?


JN






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Re: [PD] GUI switching control scenes

2009-11-19 Thread Marco Donnarumma
much thanks everybody for pointing out those examples, that's what i needed.
I will be experimenting and posting some results.
the [vis $1( approach looks promising, i have to test what about clicks in
sound while using it in runtime with big GOP.

If anybody has still other ideas about different approaches is more than
welcome.
talk soon,
cheers


Marco




On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Si Mills  wrote:

> This might be useful
> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2006-04/037439.html
>
> bot abstractions use this technique. You could have a parent abstraction
> containing gop subpatches, and then overlay them. Switch on/off their
> visibility with 'vis' property messages
>
> On 19 Nov 2009, at 14:32, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
>
> Ok, now I see JN, yes i know that, but i'm looking for a solution within Pd
> itself, using only one parent patch to include and visualize different
> subpatches alternatively. It's about usability of a software developed in
> Pd, not about my personal laptop's screen resolution.
>
>
> M
>
>
>
>
> 2009/11/19 Jean-Noël Montagné 
>
>>  on linux and macos you can define many other workspaces to extend the
>> size of your desk. on OSX, the software is "spaces",
>>
>> JN
>>
>> Thanks JN,
>> mm.. sorry dumb question, could you specify what you mean by "different
>> screen spaces"?
>>
>> (better keep the conversation on the list so others can participate too)
>>
>>
>>  2009/11/19 Jean-Noël Montagné 
>>
>> did you try to work with diffrent screen spaces ( on linux and macosx) ?
>>
>> JN
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
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Re: [PD] GUI switching control scenes

2009-11-19 Thread Si Mills
This might be useful
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2006-04/037439.html

bot abstractions use this technique. You could have a parent abstraction 
containing gop subpatches, and then overlay them. Switch on/off their 
visibility with 'vis' property messages

On 19 Nov 2009, at 14:32, Marco Donnarumma wrote:

> Ok, now I see JN, yes i know that, but i'm looking for a solution within Pd 
> itself, using only one parent patch to include and visualize different 
> subpatches alternatively. It's about usability of a software developed in Pd, 
> not about my personal laptop's screen resolution.
> 
> 
> M
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/11/19 Jean-Noël Montagné 
> on linux and macos you can define many other workspaces to extend the size of 
> your desk. on OSX, the software is "spaces",
> 
> JN
> 
>> Thanks JN,
>> mm.. sorry dumb question, could you specify what you mean by "different 
>> screen spaces"?
>> 
>> (better keep the conversation on the list so others can participate too)
>> 
>> 
>> 2009/11/19 Jean-Noël Montagné 
>> did you try to work with diffrent screen spaces ( on linux and macosx) ?
>> 
>> JN
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] GUI switching control scenes

2009-11-19 Thread João Pais
I've done something like that on my gui-edit patch, on [jmmmp/gui-edit] or  
https://puredata.info/Members/jmmmp/gui-edit/view.
but it was a very simple object. what you want is more complex, but maybe  
you can in some way make the [pos $1 $2( commands for the various setups  
you want more efficient.


João


Hi list,
i'm trying to understand how to build a user-friendly GUI within Pd and  
the

lack of enough space to place all elements is always blocking me.
Let's say i have my main interface (parent patch) 1024x768. All the  
surface

is occupied by sound controls.
Then i would like to have a toggle allowing me to switch among different
"scenes" (i.e. sound control, OSC controls, audio generators, ecc..), but
each scene should occupy the same space 1024x768 of the main interface in
the main parent patch.

I had a vague "success" juxtaposing GOP subpatches, but then what  
happens is
that you want to move a slider in the upper subpatch but you can easily  
move
also whatever GUI object lays below and this is obviously kinda too  
messy.

I was wondering if there is a way to dinamically change the name of a
subpatch while loaded, but i guess there should be simpler strategies...
any idea? anybody did it already?

thanks
cheers





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Re: [PD] GUI switching control scenes

2009-11-19 Thread Marco Donnarumma
Ok, now I see JN, yes i know that, but i'm looking for a solution within Pd
itself, using only one parent patch to include and visualize different
subpatches alternatively. It's about usability of a software developed in
Pd, not about my personal laptop's screen resolution.


M




2009/11/19 Jean-Noël Montagné 

>  on linux and macos you can define many other workspaces to extend the
> size of your desk. on OSX, the software is "spaces",
>
> JN
>
> Thanks JN,
> mm.. sorry dumb question, could you specify what you mean by "different
> screen spaces"?
>
> (better keep the conversation on the list so others can participate too)
>
>
>  2009/11/19 Jean-Noël Montagné 
>
> did you try to work with diffrent screen spaces ( on linux and macosx) ?
>
> JN
>
>
>


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Re: [PD] GUI switching control scenes

2009-11-19 Thread Pierre

Marco Donnarumma a écrit :

Thanks JN,
mm.. sorry dumb question, could you specify what you mean by 
"different screen spaces"?



He means that on linux you can work on differents 'WorkSpaces' (*) and 
switch from one to another...
(*) 
http://library.gnome.org/users/user-guide/stable/overview-workspaces.html.en


I think what Marco is talking about is a kind of 'tab' macanism for pd 
gui...

Is there any solution for this ??

pierre



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Re: [PD] GUI switching control scenes

2009-11-19 Thread Marco Donnarumma
Thanks JN,
mm.. sorry dumb question, could you specify what you mean by "different
screen spaces"?

(better keep the conversation on the list so others can participate too)




2009/11/19 Jean-Noël Montagné 

> did you try to work with diffrent screen spaces ( on linux and macosx) ?
>
> JN
>
>


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