Re: [PD] Pd Tutorial redesigned
a/ if there's only one tutorial registered at pd-tutorial.com, why should i waste my time making another one? there's only one tutorial there because the site was made by the author for the material he made himself. if you don't like it, you can write your own tutorial/site, such as www.theoneandonlyreallyfreepdtutorial-nottobeconfusedwithpd-tutorial.com-whichisn'treallyfreeinthefirstplace.com - that way people will now that there's an even better site for a even more open tutorial. or give the author constructive suggestions in the way he can improve his material. b/ i think tutorials are basically producing people making the same kind of music and/or visuals, every library has its own help, why would you need to be guided from A to Z? result would be just another clone, like people learning to play guitar playing beatle's songs... not what i'm interested in,,, you mean a clone in the same way it happens when someone reads the helpfile of any library/object and does exactly what's described in the helpfile, thus limiting the way he thinks? what would be the difference then betwen a helpfile and a tutorial? I guess it's the user's choice if he wants to be a clone or not, not of the material he reads. some people are quite happy making/being clones, you can't force them to be free (whatever that is). ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd Tutorial redesigned
Hey Sevy, i agree with you about the address 'pd-tutorial.com' issue. It would have been much nicer if the author wouldn't have choose a quite totalitarian web address, but... i cannot agree at all about your second statements. How one can start to create different processes and technique without knowing which is the standard? How can you hate an/or despise the Holy Bible without ever read it? If a standard wouldn't exists than something different wouldn't exists as well. We want to make the people as free as possible to create different strategies, but then we don't trust them enough to believe that learning from a tutorial they could do something original? -- Marco Donnarumma aka The !S.A.D! Multimedia Artist, Live Performer - Roma, IT LAB: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://www.flxer.net EVENT: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd Tutorial redesigned
Uh oh, here we go again. Please go have a look at another of Yves' lovely babies, the sexism thread, before throwing any more fuel on this fire. From this point on I have this thread on ignore mode... D. Marco Donnarumma wrote: i cannot agree at all about your second statements. How one can start to create different processes and technique without knowing which is the standard? How can you hate an/or despise the Holy Bible without ever read it? -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ::: http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 76: Give the game away ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd Tutorial redesigned
b/ i think tutorials are basically producing people making the same kind of music and/or visuals, every library has its own help, why would you need to be guided from A to Z? result would be just another clone, like people learning to play guitar playing beatle's songs... not what i'm interested in,,, What produces people making the same kind of music and/or visuals happens long before someone starts reading a tutorial on pd. Speaking of clones- the idea that one could reject learning to play guitar playing beatles songs as a general, undesirable act of conformity is nonsense. Learning music has a variety of meanings and functions depending on the culture, or even circumstances, like someone retraining their motor and memory skills after an accident. The question is how have you, like so many, overlooked the entire field of ethnomusicology and made a statement that apparently reduces music to a simplistic division between the mindless and the profound? Maybe you read a high modernist tutorial somewhere? -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd Tutorial redesigned
On Jul 11, 2009, at 12:13 AM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Yves, you could write a tutorial too, instead of giving people on the list a hard time. Why should anyone write a tutorial the way you want it? Be punk rock, and do it yourself. .hc you seem to ignore and/or deny the problem, just have 2 things to tell you : a/ if there's only one tutorial registered at pd-tutorial.com, why should i waste my time making another one? b/ i think tutorials are basically producing people making the same kind of music and/or visuals, every library has its own help, why would you need to be guided from A to Z? result would be just another clone, like people learning to play guitar playing beatle's songs... not what i'm interested in,,, saludos, sevy Seriously Yves, put this energy into making a Pd tutorial in your style. I've seen you teach Pd and I think you have a good method that is different than most, and it would be great to see it in a tutorial. No one will benefit from another flame war... there are many other domains to be had: pdtutorial.com pdtutorial.org etc. .hc I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd Tutorial redesigned
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 06:13:01AM +0200, ydego...@gmail.com wrote: b/ i think tutorials are basically producing people making the same kind of music and/or visuals, every library has its own help, why would you need to be guided from A to Z? result would be just another clone, like people learning to play guitar playing beatle's songs... not what i'm interested in,,, Maybe you can think of these kinds of tutorials as a 'gateway drug' to harder Pd usage. Keep on provoking, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd Tutorial redesigned
Clap clap clap.
~Kyle
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote:
Yves, you could write a tutorial too, instead of giving people on the list
a hard time. Why should anyone write a tutorial the way you want it? Be
punk rock, and do it yourself.
.hc
On Jul 5, 2009, at 12:24 PM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
the meaning of that
( como unos son un poco espesos aki )
is that it's sad to think that there will be
only one pd tutorial
registered at www.pd-tutorial.com!
that's what will come up on google,
and of course this tutorial doesn't cover
many things of pd, hem...
it seems to me there were more of them
in the user space of the wiki...
http://puredata.info/docs/tutorials/
( at least this one had an s )
but it's a general trend in pd community,
hierarchy got in the place..
anarchy? no that's only diversity, sir...
pd : about the college jokes of a D.H.,
is that the same guy who refuses to document
any FLOSS than runs only in Linux?
that all should run on Windows?
i just don't want to know.
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:34 AM, ydego...@gmail.com mailto:
ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.com mailto:ydego...@gmail.com
wrote:
gosh, looks like a .com out there,
is that the only way to make music with pd?
let's say if i hate sequencers,
reverbs and effects?
sevy
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Re: [PD] Pd Tutorial redesigned
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Yves, you could write a tutorial too, instead of giving people on the list a hard time. Why should anyone write a tutorial the way you want it? Be punk rock, and do it yourself. .hc you seem to ignore and/or deny the problem, just have 2 things to tell you : a/ if there's only one tutorial registered at pd-tutorial.com, why should i waste my time making another one? b/ i think tutorials are basically producing people making the same kind of music and/or visuals, every library has its own help, why would you need to be guided from A to Z? result would be just another clone, like people learning to play guitar playing beatle's songs... not what i'm interested in,,, saludos, sevy ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd Tutorial redesigned
Yves, you could write a tutorial too, instead of giving people on the list a hard time. Why should anyone write a tutorial the way you want it? Be punk rock, and do it yourself. .hc On Jul 5, 2009, at 12:24 PM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote: the meaning of that ( como unos son un poco espesos aki ) is that it's sad to think that there will be only one pd tutorial registered at www.pd-tutorial.com! that's what will come up on google, and of course this tutorial doesn't cover many things of pd, hem... it seems to me there were more of them in the user space of the wiki... http://puredata.info/docs/tutorials/ ( at least this one had an s ) but it's a general trend in pd community, hierarchy got in the place.. anarchy? no that's only diversity, sir... pd : about the college jokes of a D.H., is that the same guy who refuses to document any FLOSS than runs only in Linux? that all should run on Windows? i just don't want to know. On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:34 AM, ydego...@gmail.com mailto:ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.com mailto:ydego...@gmail.com wrote: gosh, looks like a .com out there, is that the only way to make music with pd? let's say if i hate sequencers, reverbs and effects? sevy ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd Tutorial redesigned
ydego...@gmail.com wrote: let's say if i hate sequencers, reverbs and effects? I suggest the banjo. D. -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://blog.myspace.com/macumbista ::: http://www.vimeo.com/macumbista ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 197: List the qualities it has. List those you'd like. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd Tutorial redesigned
the meaning of that ( como unos son un poco espesos aki ) is that it's sad to think that there will be only one pd tutorial registered at www.pd-tutorial.com! that's what will come up on google, and of course this tutorial doesn't cover many things of pd, hem... it seems to me there were more of them in the user space of the wiki... http://puredata.info/docs/tutorials/ ( at least this one had an s ) but it's a general trend in pd community, hierarchy got in the place.. anarchy? no that's only diversity, sir... pd : about the college jokes of a D.H., is that the same guy who refuses to document any FLOSS than runs only in Linux? that all should run on Windows? i just don't want to know. On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:34 AM, ydego...@gmail.com mailto:ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.com mailto:ydego...@gmail.com wrote: gosh, looks like a .com out there, is that the only way to make music with pd? let's say if i hate sequencers, reverbs and effects? sevy ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd Tutorial redesigned
Yea you can use some phasors and a random number generator or two, people do it all the time. Sounds horrible. On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:34 AM, ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.comwrote: gosh, looks like a .com out there, is that the only way to make music with pd? let's say if i hate sequencers, reverbs and effects? sevy Johannes Kreidler wrote: Hi all, now my big pd tutorial on http://www.pd-tutorial.com has a nice-looking design. Cheers Johannes -- www.kreidler-net.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd Tutorial redesigned
gosh, looks like a .com out there, is that the only way to make music with pd? let's say if i hate sequencers, reverbs and effects? sevy Johannes Kreidler wrote: Hi all, now my big pd tutorial on http://www.pd-tutorial.com has a nice-looking design. Cheers Johannes -- www.kreidler-net.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
