Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring
yeah, and as if anyone was taking away their revenue by using the term. bloody hell i hate trademark/copyright laws. understand you just doing the sensible thing and standing clear of the bastards though. the PD-RING is cool though. thanks for putting it up. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring
It's a joke ? webring is a trademark, hahaha, it's ridiculous. Jack Le 18 oct. 07 à 11:08, kluppe a écrit : > hi pd-people! > > i received an email from webring.com, telling me that "webring" is > now a > registered trademark of webring.com and asking me to "discontinue > use of > the term webring" on my website. > i don't know if this has any juristic relevance to me, since i am > not in > the us and i am not using the term for commercial activities, but i > don't want to hire a lawyer to find it out. > > so: i changed the name and url of pd webring to pd_ring. > please change the code of pd webring on your websites to point to > http://pd.klingt.org/pd_ring/ instead. > > sorry for the inconvinience > shit happens > d13b > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring
Yeah - I'm pretty sure that's completely groundless. You should send a copy to BoingBoing. They love that stuff. Understandable that you don't want to get into it with a big company, but I bet they don't have any legal leg to stand on. It's a real bummer. The pd webring is where I first learned a lot of stuff about the language. Sucks that people think they own the word. cheers dafydd Jack wrote: > It's a joke ? > webring is a trademark, hahaha, it's ridiculous. > > Jack > > > Le 18 oct. 07 à 11:08, kluppe a écrit : > >> hi pd-people! >> >> i received an email from webring.com, telling me that "webring" is >> now a >> registered trademark of webring.com and asking me to "discontinue >> use of >> the term webring" on my website. >> i don't know if this has any juristic relevance to me, since i am >> not in >> the us and i am not using the term for commercial activities, but i >> don't want to hire a lawyer to find it out. >> >> so: i changed the name and url of pd webring to pd_ring. >> please change the code of pd webring on your websites to point to >> http://pd.klingt.org/pd_ring/ instead. >> >> sorry for the inconvinience >> shit happens >> d13b >> >> ___ >> PD-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ >> listinfo/pd-list > > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:09:30 +0900 "hard off" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > term. bloody hell i hate trademark/copyright laws. It's not copyright/trademark law, these are abusers of trademark law who operate from within a completely dysfunctional legal system in a country that has apparently abandoned the rule of law and allows it's citizens to intimidate foreign nationals with impunity. If this came from a Nigerian scam artist you would just inform your local police computer crime department of a 419, but unfortunately there is no recognition or remedy for receiving specious pseudo-legal threats. I can however understand Kluppes choice to avoid the stress and move on. But the problem with abusers, bullies and terrorists (whether they use force of arms or merely threats) is that once you capitulate they will be back for more. The question then is, at what point do you put up a robust defence? -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, kluppe wrote: so: i changed the name and url of pd webring to pd_ring. please change the code of pd webring on your websites to point to http://pd.klingt.org/pd_ring/ instead. You could also just ignore the guy. I am not planning to update my pd webring code anytime soon. I expect you to change the name back to "pd webring". _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring
He could just ignore them, which is the correct course of action. But while it's fine to discuss this and call it for what it is, we should support Kluppe if it is his decision to sidestep the stress by modifying the links. Otherwise we are complicit in helping them inflict damage, which is their intention, by destroying webrings and leaving them full of broken links. > so: i changed the name and url of pd webring to pd_ring. > please change the code of pd webring on your websites to point to > http://pd.klingt.org/pd_ring/ instead. "changed", past tense. It's done so lets be realistic and use this as an opportunity to turn a minus into a plus and rebuild the new pd-ring with avengence. It's a very valuable utility to link together our collective web presence. It takes a few seconds to modify the URL or add it if you don't already have one, so let's make this as easy on Kluppe as possible in thanks for providing the central node and haing to put up with this abuse. On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Mathieu Bouchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, kluppe wrote: > > > so: i changed the name and url of pd webring to pd_ring. > > please change the code of pd webring on your websites to point to > > http://pd.klingt.org/pd_ring/ instead. > > You could also just ignore the guy. > > I am not planning to update my pd webring code anytime soon. > > I expect you to change the name back to "pd webring". > > _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... > | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring
Le 18 oct. 07 à 17:25, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit : > On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, kluppe wrote: > >> so: i changed the name and url of pd webring to pd_ring. >> please change the code of pd webring on your websites to point to >> http://pd.klingt.org/pd_ring/ instead. > > You could also just ignore the guy. I think it's the right thing to do, pd webring is not a business. Jack > > I am not planning to update my pd webring code anytime soon. > > I expect you to change the name back to "pd webring". > > _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... > | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC > Canada___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring
hi, in the US there is no difference between trademarks and registered trademarks. you acquire a trademark by a. Use b. Registration What is a trademark? a. Trademarks: a distinctive work, phrase, logo, symbol, image or other device that is used to distinguish one brand of product from another b. Service marks c. Trade dress after some time (usually half a year) of use of a name you automatically have a trademark on it (if you register it, you just make things easier to execute). therefor, maybe *you* should sue them (if they are new on the market it is likely that they have to change their name!!) of course you don't want to do that, but there is no possibility for them to win a lawcase against you. they just can make your life yack! by suing you. (which makes another big resource for US (corporate) bashing). anyway, your decision to change the name is probably a wise one. marius. kluppe wrote: > hi pd-people! > > i received an email from webring.com, telling me that "webring" is now a > registered trademark of webring.com and asking me to "discontinue use of > the term webring" on my website. > i don't know if this has any juristic relevance to me, since i am not in > the us and i am not using the term for commercial activities, but i > don't want to hire a lawyer to find it out. > > so: i changed the name and url of pd webring to pd_ring. > please change the code of pd webring on your websites to point to > http://pd.klingt.org/pd_ring/ instead. > > sorry for the inconvinience > shit happens > d13b > > ___ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:56:35 -0400 marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > a. Use Here's how I remember it Marius. The term "webring" was in use circa 1995, in the "preteen adolescence" of the internet if you like. There were thousands of webrings on all subjects from absailing to ZX81 games. They came at a time when commodity hosting first rolled out and everybody started to have a website on Geocities and suchlike. While not as popular as BBS, forums, IRC or any of the other giant internet and pre-web phenomenon, webrings were of a scale that makes the term a generally understood public domain expression through common usage. They were a formative version of the social networking concept by direct association between sites. Any ideas on who coined the term? I guess you could possibly find references going back to 94 somewhere and pinpoint a first usage in the archives. Fast forward to about 2000. I'm searching for webrings on game modding about that time and seeing that one company had spamdexed the entire Google listings down past page 10 with individual entries, many of which were placeholders and didn't actually seem to exist. Their SEO tactics were so brutal you had to jump to pages in the low teens before you saw any of the old independent webrings. It seems since registering the domain in 1997 they've systematically been swallowing up private webrings and trying to shut down all the others for the last 10 years. Anyone got any stories or evidence that supports this view? a. -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring
I think webring is a generic term anyway, so I don't know what this company wants. you cannot name a product "salt" when used in connection with sodium chloride... marius. Andy Farnell wrote: > On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:56:35 -0400 > marius schebella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> a. Use > > Here's how I remember it Marius. The term "webring" was in use circa 1995, in > the "preteen adolescence" of the internet if you like. There were thousands > of webrings on all subjects from absailing to ZX81 games. They came at a time > when commodity hosting first rolled out and everybody started to have > a website on Geocities and suchlike. While not as popular as BBS, forums, IRC > or any of the other giant internet and pre-web phenomenon, webrings were of a > scale that makes the term a generally understood public domain expression > through common usage. They were a formative version of the social networking > concept by direct association between sites. Any ideas on who coined the term? > I guess you could possibly find references going back to 94 somewhere and > pinpoint a first usage in the archives. > > Fast forward to about 2000. I'm searching for webrings on game modding > about that time and seeing that one company had spamdexed the entire Google > listings down past page 10 with individual entries, many of which were > placeholders and didn't actually seem to exist. Their SEO tactics were so > brutal you had to jump to pages in the low teens before you saw any of the > old independent webrings. It seems since registering the domain in 1997 > they've > systematically been swallowing up private webrings and trying to shut down all > the others for the last 10 years. > > Anyone got any stories or evidence that supports this view? > > a. > ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] webring name and url (!) changed to pd_ring
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, marius schebella wrote: I think webring is a generic term anyway, so I don't know what this company wants. you cannot name a product "salt" when used in connection with sodium chloride... marius. I believe that this is a trademark that changed hands several times since 1995 or so. It used to be a valid trademark but nowadays it's been so diluted by the generic use of the name by the general public, that it would be hard to defend now. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
