Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[Peter Venus]

hello

i am rather happy with the motu 24Ao AVB.
it offers 24 analog outputs plus 3 adat i/o.
it is class compliant usb and its mixer can be accessed
via browser.
it offers 64in/64out@48kHz on the usb.

so generally, to find a suitable interface, i would look if it's class 
compliant.


cheers
peter

Am 05.05.16 um 16:12 schrieb Jack:

Hello,

With the following configuration :
Ubuntu 16.04
Pd-0.47.0

I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
willing to do this job ?

Ciao.
++

Jack


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Oops, test3 bad, test4 up now

[Derek Kwan]

> Sorry for the noise -
> 
> I broke the variable delay reader in 0.47-0test3 - I've uploaded test4
> to replace it... http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm etc. as usual.
> 
> cheers
> Miller
> 

Hello,

I'm not sure if it matters all that much but "DSP" in the Pd window next
to the checkbox is different from previous versions. It's of a smaller
font and not bolded. I've actually been using that to tell the
difference between your test I compiled from source and the older
apt-get installed one =P. I like it better the old way (always helpful
when things are easier to read) but it's no huge deal if you feel
strongly otherwise.

Also, in terms of the file prompts for openpanel/savepanel/open/save, is
it possible to have a "Create New Folder" button? Also, a detailed list
view option (name/size/type/date) would be nice at some point but it sounds
like a whole lot more work and it's not exactly something I've been
absolutely dying without... but the new folder button would be nice =).
Thanks for all your hard work!

Derek

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.47-0test2 released

[rolfm]

this my pd file :

#N struct 1011-symarray float x array symbols 1011-sym;
#N struct 1011-sym symbol name float on;
#N canvas 235 0 1120 645 10;
#X declare -path ./abs-pd;
#X obj 37 113 fred-links;

i open it with Vanilla (latest test version),
add a [i], and save.

this is the saved file:

#N struct 1010-symarray float x array symbols 1010-sym;
#N struct 1010-sym symbol name float on;
#N canvas 235 50 1120 645 10;
#X obj 37 113 fred-links;
#X obj 149 59 i;

the declare statement has disappeared

this doesn't happen with vanilla 46.7

rolf


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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[Roman Haefeli]

Though probably not such a good match as the MOTU mentioned below, I may
mention here that the Presonus VSL1818 is supported by Linux/ALSA. For
16 analog output channels, you'd have to hook up some ADAT 8-channel
DAC. Also, I don't know of any support of its internal mixer  (probably
it is not supported).

Roman

On Fri, 2016-05-06 at 10:09 +0200, Peter Venus wrote:
> hello

> i am rather happy with the motu 24Ao AVB.
> it offers 24 analog outputs plus 3 adat i/o.
> it is class compliant usb and its mixer can be accessed
> via browser.
> it offers 64in/64out@48kHz on the usb.
> 
> so generally, to find a suitable interface, i would look if it's class 
> compliant.
> 
> cheers
> peter
> 
> Am 05.05.16 um 16:12 schrieb Jack:
> > Hello,
> >
> > With the following configuration :
> > Ubuntu 16.04
> > Pd-0.47.0
> >
> > I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
> > What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
> > Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
> > willing to do this job ?
> >
> > Ciao.
> > ++
> >
> > Jack
> >
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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[William Huston]

The Motu is $1000. The Presonus is $500. What about getting 8x 2-channel
USB soundcards? The Griffin iMic is a 2x2 and is $40. So 8x would be $320.

If you look around, you can find 2ch USB audio adapters for $20/each,
$10/each, even $2/each. For that kind of money you could purchase a few and
evaluate them in terms of quality, or maybe read up on what chip they use
and read reviews.

I'm pretty sure Pd supports multiple audio adapters, but have not tested
this.

Please post your results, as I would like to get into ambisonics as well
and be able to drive 8x or more speakers. But I don't want to spend $1000!



On Thursday, May 5, 2016, Jack  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> With the following configuration :
> Ubuntu 16.04
> Pd-0.47.0
>
> I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
> What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
> Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
> willing to do this job ?
>
> Ciao.
> ++
>
> Jack
>
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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[Simon Iten]

or get yourself an old rme multiface hdsp card, eight analog outputs and eight 
adat… you will need an old laptop with pcmcia or a new one with express card 
(or a macbook with thunderbolt and an adatper)

rme cards are good quality and quite cheaply secondhand (200 $)

> On 06 May 2016, at 14:08, William Huston  wrote:
> 
> The Motu is $1000. The Presonus is $500. What about getting 8x 2-channel USB 
> soundcards? The Griffin iMic is a 2x2 and is $40. So 8x would be $320. 
> 
> If you look around, you can find 2ch USB audio adapters for $20/each, 
> $10/each, even $2/each. For that kind of money you could purchase a few and 
> evaluate them in terms of quality, or maybe read up on what chip they use and 
> read reviews. 
> 
> I'm pretty sure Pd supports multiple audio adapters, but have not tested 
> this. 
> 
> Please post your results, as I would like to get into ambisonics as well and 
> be able to drive 8x or more speakers. But I don't want to spend $1000! 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, May 5, 2016, Jack mailto:j...@rybn.org>> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > With the following configuration :
> > Ubuntu 16.04
> > Pd-0.47.0
> >
> > I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
> > What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
> > Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
> > willing to do this job ?
> >
> > Ciao.
> > ++
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
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[PD] [netsend] bug?

[Mario Mey]

Hi, there. I'm trying to use PureData 0.46.7 to control VLC. Based on a 
patch in https://github.com/mxa/AudioVideoPatches, that uses Python code 
(pyext) to send TCP messages, I want to use [netsend] to send them, 
without Python.


I start VLC with:

vlc -I rc --rc-host=localhost:1234

And, in Pd:

[connect localhost 1234(
|
|  [list add file.mp4(
|  [list prepend send]
|  [list trim]
| /
[netsend]

The connection is well done, but I discovered that the messages arrives 
with a ";" at the end of the message. For example, when I click on [list 
add file.mp4(, VLC says (sorry for the language):


[0x7f387c0044a8] filesystem access error: cannot open file 
/home/mario/file.mp4; (No such file or directory)
[0x7f387c0044a8] main access error: Falló lectura de archivo
[0x7f387c0044a8] main access error: VLC no pudo abrir el archivo 
«/home/mario/file.mp4;» (No such file or directory).
[0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: open of `file:///home/mario/file.mp4%3B' 
failed
[0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: Su entrada no puede abrirse
[0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: VLC es incapaz de abrir el MRL 
«file:///home/mario/file.mp4%3B». Vea el registro para más detalles.

Also, I use a simple Python script (Server code in 
https://wiki.python.org/moin/TcpCommunication) to receive this messages 
and, when it does, it prints:


received data: b'add file.mp4;\n'

Ssome guys from #dataflow told me that the best workaround is to make a 
small program/app/script that strips semicolons. Yes, now I'm writing 
it... but I would not need another program to do this.


I've never reported a Pd bug. I'm writing this mail to you to know about 
this (maybe it is not necessary to report it)... and maybe someone knows 
another workaround.


Thank you.

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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[patrice colet]

 If it's just about having 16 channels DAC, using two C-media CM6206 
soundcards should be enough but you might need direct input boxes if the 
amplifiers are not just beside the computer, I tried this chipset and it 
works good on a pcduino2 and Pd with 8 channels, no glitches, it should 
works as well on a Raspberry Pi 3.  So it's possible to cluster the 
soundcard+pi on a network and have as much channels as you need.



e 06/05/2016 à 14:32, Simon Iten a écrit :
or get yourself an old rme multiface hdsp card, eight analog outputs 
and eight adat… you will need an old laptop with pcmcia or a new one 
with express card (or a macbook with thunderbolt and an adatper)


rme cards are good quality and quite cheaply secondhand (200 $)

On 06 May 2016, at 14:08, William Huston > wrote:


The Motu is $1000. The Presonus is $500. What about getting 8x 
2-channel USB soundcards? The Griffin iMic is a 2x2 and is $40. So 8x 
would be $320.


If you look around, you can find 2ch USB audio adapters for $20/each, 
$10/each, even $2/each. For that kind of money you could purchase a 
few and evaluate them in terms of quality, or maybe read up on what 
chip they use and read reviews.


I'm pretty sure Pd supports multiple audio adapters, but have not 
tested this.


Please post your results, as I would like to get into ambisonics as 
well and be able to drive 8x or more speakers. But I don't want to 
spend $1000!




On Thursday, May 5, 2016, Jack mailto:j...@rybn.org>> 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> With the following configuration :
> Ubuntu 16.04
> Pd-0.47.0
>
> I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
> What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
> Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
> willing to do this job ?
>
> Ciao.
> ++
>
> Jack
>
>
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Re: [PD] [netsend] bug?

[Jack]

Hello,

Now, with Pd 0.46.7 you have [netsend -b].
It allows you to send a string in 'binary' mode (you don't need anymore
to use the FUDI protocol used by netsend before).

Then, something like :

[list add file.mp4(
|
[l2s] <- from zexy library (there is vanilla solution for this)
|
[list fromsymbol]
|
[list append 10]
|
[list prepend send]
|
[list trim]
|
[netsend -b]

should work.
++

Jack



Le 06/05/2016 14:45, Mario Mey a écrit :
> Hi, there. I'm trying to use PureData 0.46.7 to control VLC. Based on a
> patch in https://github.com/mxa/AudioVideoPatches, that uses Python code
> (pyext) to send TCP messages, I want to use [netsend] to send them,
> without Python.
> 
> I start VLC with:
> 
> vlc -I rc --rc-host=localhost:1234
> 
> And, in Pd:
> 
> [connect localhost 1234(
> |
> |  [list add file.mp4(
> |  [list prepend send]
> |  [list trim]
> | /
> [netsend]
> 
> The connection is well done, but I discovered that the messages arrives
> with a ";" at the end of the message. For example, when I click on [list
> add file.mp4(, VLC says (sorry for the language):
> 
> [0x7f387c0044a8] filesystem access error: cannot open file
> /home/mario/file.mp4; (No such file or directory)
> [0x7f387c0044a8] main access error: Falló lectura de archivo
> [0x7f387c0044a8] main access error: VLC no pudo abrir el archivo
> «/home/mario/file.mp4;» (No such file or directory).
> [0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: open of
> `file:///home/mario/file.mp4%3B' failed
> [0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: Su entrada no puede abrirse
> [0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: VLC es incapaz de abrir el MRL
> «file:///home/mario/file.mp4%3B». Vea el registro para más detalles.
> 
> Also, I use a simple Python script (Server code in
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/TcpCommunication) to receive this messages
> and, when it does, it prints:
> 
> received data: b'add file.mp4;\n'
> 
> Ssome guys from #dataflow told me that the best workaround is to make a
> small program/app/script that strips semicolons. Yes, now I'm writing
> it... but I would not need another program to do this.
> 
> I've never reported a Pd bug. I'm writing this mail to you to know about
> this (maybe it is not necessary to report it)... and maybe someone knows
> another workaround.
> 
> Thank you.
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[PD] New version of sigpack available via deken

[Fred Jan Kraan]

Hi All,

I just completed the upload of an updated version of sigpack to 
puredata.info, and it is available via deken. I contacted Martin Weiß 
and he is ok with this release, but please send the bug-reports to me.


Apart from the restyled help-patches, I fixed some issues.

Summary release notes 0.044:
- Changed version to 0.044,
- decimate~: fixed gitch at block start,
- freqshift~: fixed off-by-one loop causing NaNs. (Partially) updated 
from upstream,

- round~: fixed division by zero issue,
- transient~: optimized/updated,
- vowel~: moved static array to instance struct to allow multiple 
instances and prevent NaNs,

- *-help.pd: reformatted and improved.

The github repository is at https://github.com/electrickery/pd-sigpack.


Greetings,

Fred Jan

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Re: [PD] [netsend] bug?

[patrice colet]

Hi,

 attached is some workaround for controlling VLC, one using 
[tcpclient], and another one using dbus-send.


Both uses tcl for scripting with [hc/sys_gui]

patco

Le 06/05/2016 à 15:51, Jack a écrit :

Hello,

Now, with Pd 0.46.7 you have [netsend -b].
It allows you to send a string in 'binary' mode (you don't need anymore
to use the FUDI protocol used by netsend before).

Then, something like :

[list add file.mp4(
|
[l2s] <- from zexy library (there is vanilla solution for this)
|
[list fromsymbol]
|
[list append 10]
|
[list prepend send]
|
[list trim]
|
[netsend -b]

should work.
++

Jack



Le 06/05/2016 14:45, Mario Mey a écrit :

Hi, there. I'm trying to use PureData 0.46.7 to control VLC. Based on a
patch in https://github.com/mxa/AudioVideoPatches, that uses Python code
(pyext) to send TCP messages, I want to use [netsend] to send them,
without Python.

I start VLC with:

vlc -I rc --rc-host=localhost:1234

And, in Pd:

[connect localhost 1234(
|
|  [list add file.mp4(
|  [list prepend send]
|  [list trim]
| /
[netsend]

The connection is well done, but I discovered that the messages arrives
with a ";" at the end of the message. For example, when I click on [list
add file.mp4(, VLC says (sorry for the language):

[0x7f387c0044a8] filesystem access error: cannot open file
/home/mario/file.mp4; (No such file or directory)
[0x7f387c0044a8] main access error: Falló lectura de archivo
[0x7f387c0044a8] main access error: VLC no pudo abrir el archivo
«/home/mario/file.mp4;» (No such file or directory).
[0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: open of
`file:///home/mario/file.mp4%3B' failed
[0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: Su entrada no puede abrirse
[0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: VLC es incapaz de abrir el MRL
«file:///home/mario/file.mp4%3B». Vea el registro para más detalles.

Also, I use a simple Python script (Server code in
https://wiki.python.org/moin/TcpCommunication) to receive this messages
and, when it does, it prints:

received data: b'add file.mp4;\n'

Ssome guys from #dataflow told me that the best workaround is to make a
small program/app/script that strips semicolons. Yes, now I'm writing
it... but I would not need another program to do this.

I've never reported a Pd bug. I'm writing this mail to you to know about
this (maybe it is not necessary to report it)... and maybe someone knows
another workaround.

Thank you.

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#N canvas 767 95 972 377 10;
#X obj 20 267 sys_gui;
#X obj 20 288 print;
#X obj 20 246 r SYS_GUI;
#X obj 16 181 s SYS_GUI;
#X text 16 317 patko2015;
#X text 24 123 launch VLC with GUI;
#X obj 639 118 openpanel;
#X obj 639 101 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144
-1 -1;
#X text 11 228 tcl interpreter;
#X msg 639 139 add \$1;
#X obj 247 210 r vlc-server;
#X obj 227 277 t b a;
#X obj 260 299 s SYS_GUI;
#X msg 194 276 set;
#X obj 227 208 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144
-1 -1;
#X msg 28 140 set pid [exec vlc -I rc &] \, pdsend [list vlc-server
$pid], f 31;
#X msg 279 278 puts 'test';
#X msg 723 141 play;
#X msg 756 162 pause;
#N canvas 198 119 565 442 tcpServer 0;
#X obj 48 174 tcpclient;
#X obj 88 200 tgl 15 0 empty empty connected 18 7 0 8 -24198 -13381
-1 1 1;
#X text 119 173 tcpclient opens a tcp socket to send and receive bytes
on;
#X floatatom 223 270 9 0 0 0 - - -, f 9;
#X floatatom 273 244 9 0 0 0 - - -, f 9;
#X text 342 243 Size of the send buffer;
#X obj 223 194 route sent buf blocked;
#X text 293 269 Number of bytes sent;
#X obj 323 220 print sender_blocked!;
#X obj 68 226 unpack 0 0 0 0;
#X floatatom 68 249 3 0 0 0 - - -, f 3;
#X floatatom 99 249 3 0 0 0 - - -, f 3;
#X floatatom 131 249 3 0 0 0 - - -, f 3;
#X floatatom 163 249 3 0 0 0 - - -, f 3;
#X text 28 248 from;
#X text 99 300 Received messages are output as a list of bytes;
#X text 174 329 Attempting to print long messages can hang Pd!;
#X obj 137 99 any2string 0 -1;
#X msg 155 55 disconnect;
#X obj 49 4 inlet;
#X obj 49 26 t a b;
#X obj 128 19 inlet;
#X obj 49 403 outlet;
#X obj 135 120 list append 13 10;
#X obj 49 331 bytes2any 128 32;
#X obj 139 388 spigot;
#X obj 137 411 print >>>;
#X obj 188 384 tgl 15 0 empty empty print 18 7 0 8 -24198 -13381 -1
1 1;
#X obj 131 353 bytes2any 128 0;
#X connect 0 0 24 0;
#X connect 0 0 28 0;
#X connect 0 1 9 0;
#X connect 0 2 1 0;
#X connect 0 3 6 0;
#X connect 6 0 3 0;
#X connect 6 1 4 0;
#X connect 6 2 8 0;
#X connect 9 0 10 0;
#X connect 9 1 11 0;
#X connect 9 2 12 0;
#X connect 9 3 13 0;
#X connect 17 0 23 0;
#X connect 18 0 0 0;
#X connect 19 0 20 0;
#X connect 20 0 17 0;
#X connect 21 0 0 0;
#X connect 23 0 0 0;
#X connect 24 0 22 0;
#X connect 25 0 26 0;
#X connect 27 0 25 1;
#X connect 28 0 25 0;
#

Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[Jack]

Thanks a lot for your answers.

If i understand, i have many solutions to achieve my goal :

- buy 1 soundcard, for exemple :
- MOTU 24Ao AVB which is class complient : good news for linux users)
- Presonus VSL1818 with a ADAT 8-channel DAC (Roman, do you have a
link for this with jack connectors ?)

- buy several 'small' soundcards (like 8 Griffin iMic, cheap solution
but lot of sound cards)

- buy 2 soundcards with 8 outputs (in this case, i need 2 usb
controllers on my computer, right ?)

- buy 2 C-media CM6206 soundcards (cheapest solution here, never seen
and tested but looks promising)

By experience, in theatre, i prefer to have an easy setup, PC + 1 or 2
soundcards, on which i can plug jack connectors. The sound will be a
Pierre Henry music.

If someone has other recommandations ?
++

Jack




Le 06/05/2016 14:54, patrice colet a écrit :
>  If it's just about having 16 channels DAC, using two C-media CM6206
> soundcards should be enough but you might need direct input boxes if the
> amplifiers are not just beside the computer, I tried this chipset and it
> works good on a pcduino2 and Pd with 8 channels, no glitches, it should
> works as well on a Raspberry Pi 3.  So it's possible to cluster the
> soundcard+pi on a network and have as much channels as you need.
> 
> 
> e 06/05/2016 à 14:32, Simon Iten a écrit :
>> or get yourself an old rme multiface hdsp card, eight analog outputs
>> and eight adat… you will need an old laptop with pcmcia or a new one
>> with express card (or a macbook with thunderbolt and an adatper)
>>
>> rme cards are good quality and quite cheaply secondhand (200 $)
>>
>>> On 06 May 2016, at 14:08, William Huston
>>> <williamahus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The Motu is $1000. The Presonus is $500. What about getting 8x
>>> 2-channel USB soundcards? The Griffin iMic is a 2x2 and is $40. So 8x
>>> would be $320.
>>>
>>> If you look around, you can find 2ch USB audio adapters for $20/each,
>>> $10/each, even $2/each. For that kind of money you could purchase a
>>> few and evaluate them in terms of quality, or maybe read up on what
>>> chip they use and read reviews.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure Pd supports multiple audio adapters, but have not
>>> tested this.
>>>
>>> Please post your results, as I would like to get into ambisonics as
>>> well and be able to drive 8x or more speakers. But I don't want to
>>> spend $1000!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 5, 2016, Jack <j...@rybn.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> > With the following configuration :
>>> > Ubuntu 16.04
>>> > Pd-0.47.0
>>> >
>>> > I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
>>> > What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
>>> > Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
>>> > willing to do this job ?
>>> >
>>> > Ciao.
>>> > ++
>>> >
>>> > Jack
>>> >
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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[Peter Venus]

well,
if it should be on the cheap side,
and the need for usb because of a lacking pcmcia/expresscard is present,
there there are
logilink ua0099 available, which are offering 8ch output
for 23euros
i bought some here:
http://www.pollin.de/shop/dt/MDUyODcyOTk-/Computer_Informationstechnik/USB_Technik/USB_Konverter/7_1_Kanal_USB_2_0_Soundbox_LogiLink_UA0099.html


cheers,
peter

On 2016-05-06 14:54, patrice colet wrote:


 If it's just about having 16 channels DAC, using two C-media CM6206 
soundcards should be enough but you might need direct input boxes if 
the amplifiers are not just beside the computer, I tried this chipset 
and it works good on a pcduino2 and Pd with 8 channels, no glitches, 
it should works as well on a Raspberry Pi 3.  So it's possible to 
cluster the soundcard+pi on a network and have as much channels as you 
need.



e 06/05/2016 à 14:32, Simon Iten a écrit :
or get yourself an old rme multiface hdsp card, eight analog outputs 
and eight adat… you will need an old laptop with pcmcia or a new one 
with express card (or a macbook with thunderbolt and an adatper)


rme cards are good quality and quite cheaply secondhand (200 $)

On 06 May 2016, at 14:08, William Huston  
wrote:


The Motu is $1000. The Presonus is $500. What about getting 8x 
2-channel USB soundcards? The Griffin iMic is a 2x2 and is $40. So 
8x would be $320.


If you look around, you can find 2ch USB audio adapters for 
$20/each, $10/each, even $2/each. For that kind of money you could 
purchase a few and evaluate them in terms of quality, or maybe read 
up on what chip they use and read reviews.


I'm pretty sure Pd supports multiple audio adapters, but have not 
tested this.


Please post your results, as I would like to get into ambisonics as 
well and be able to drive 8x or more speakers. But I don't want to 
spend $1000!




On Thursday, May 5, 2016, Jack  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> With the following configuration :
> Ubuntu 16.04
> Pd-0.47.0
>
> I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
> What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
> Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
> willing to do this job ?
>
> Ciao.
> ++
>
> Jack
>
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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[patrice colet]

Maybe you don't want a soundcard but a good multitrack player for 
interpreting Pierre Henry pieces, something like this:


https://audiosex.pro/threads/cymatic-lr-lp-16.23833/

it's about 320€


Le 06/05/2016 à 16:40, Jack a écrit :

Thanks a lot for your answers.

If i understand, i have many solutions to achieve my goal :

- buy 1 soundcard, for exemple :
 - MOTU 24Ao AVB which is class complient : good news for linux users)
 - Presonus VSL1818 with a ADAT 8-channel DAC (Roman, do you have a
link for this with jack connectors ?)

- buy several 'small' soundcards (like 8 Griffin iMic, cheap solution
but lot of sound cards)

- buy 2 soundcards with 8 outputs (in this case, i need 2 usb
controllers on my computer, right ?)

- buy 2 C-media CM6206 soundcards (cheapest solution here, never seen
and tested but looks promising)

By experience, in theatre, i prefer to have an easy setup, PC + 1 or 2
soundcards, on which i can plug jack connectors. The sound will be a
Pierre Henry music.

If someone has other recommandations ?
++

Jack




Le 06/05/2016 14:54, patrice colet a écrit :

  If it's just about having 16 channels DAC, using two C-media CM6206
soundcards should be enough but you might need direct input boxes if the
amplifiers are not just beside the computer, I tried this chipset and it
works good on a pcduino2 and Pd with 8 channels, no glitches, it should
works as well on a Raspberry Pi 3.  So it's possible to cluster the
soundcard+pi on a network and have as much channels as you need.


e 06/05/2016 à 14:32, Simon Iten a écrit :

or get yourself an old rme multiface hdsp card, eight analog outputs
and eight adat… you will need an old laptop with pcmcia or a new one
with express card (or a macbook with thunderbolt and an adatper)

rme cards are good quality and quite cheaply secondhand (200 $)


On 06 May 2016, at 14:08, William Huston
<williamahus...@gmail.com> wrote:

The Motu is $1000. The Presonus is $500. What about getting 8x
2-channel USB soundcards? The Griffin iMic is a 2x2 and is $40. So 8x
would be $320.

If you look around, you can find 2ch USB audio adapters for $20/each,
$10/each, even $2/each. For that kind of money you could purchase a
few and evaluate them in terms of quality, or maybe read up on what
chip they use and read reviews.

I'm pretty sure Pd supports multiple audio adapters, but have not
tested this.

Please post your results, as I would like to get into ambisonics as
well and be able to drive 8x or more speakers. But I don't want to
spend $1000!



On Thursday, May 5, 2016, Jack <j...@rybn.org>
wrote:

Hello,

With the following configuration :
Ubuntu 16.04
Pd-0.47.0

I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
willing to do this job ?

Ciao.
++

Jack


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Re: [PD] [netsend] bug?

[Mario Mey]

Jack, thank you for this patch. It works. Also thanks to Patrice... but 
I want to make it easy.


Now, I would want to know how to reproduce l2s with Vanilla (I'm trying 
to use only Vanilla).


... and there's something else: If I send "playlist" to VLC, the right 
outlet of [netsend -b] prints the playlist... but one character per 
print. Something like:


print: 43
print: 45
print: 45
print: 45
print: 45
print: 91
print: 32
print: 80
print: 108
print: 97
print: 121
print: 108
...

If I put [list tosymbol] before [print], the characters appears:

print: symbol +
print: symbol -
print: symbol -
print: symbol -
print: symbol -
print: symbol [
print: symbol
print: symbol P
print: symbol l
print: symbol a
print: symbol y
print: symbol l
...

How should I convert all this messages into one message? If possible, 
respecting the return carriage.






El 06/05/16 a las 10:51, Jack escribió:

Hello,

Now, with Pd 0.46.7 you have [netsend -b].
It allows you to send a string in 'binary' mode (you don't need anymore
to use the FUDI protocol used by netsend before).

Then, something like :

[list add file.mp4(
|
[l2s] <- from zexy library (there is vanilla solution for this)
|
[list fromsymbol]
|
[list append 10]
|
[list prepend send]
|
[list trim]
|
[netsend -b]

should work.
++

Jack



Le 06/05/2016 14:45, Mario Mey a écrit :

Hi, there. I'm trying to use PureData 0.46.7 to control VLC. Based on a
patch in https://github.com/mxa/AudioVideoPatches, that uses Python code
(pyext) to send TCP messages, I want to use [netsend] to send them,
without Python.

I start VLC with:

vlc -I rc --rc-host=localhost:1234

And, in Pd:

[connect localhost 1234(
|
|  [list add file.mp4(
|  [list prepend send]
|  [list trim]
| /
[netsend]

The connection is well done, but I discovered that the messages arrives
with a ";" at the end of the message. For example, when I click on [list
add file.mp4(, VLC says (sorry for the language):

[0x7f387c0044a8] filesystem access error: cannot open file
/home/mario/file.mp4; (No such file or directory)
[0x7f387c0044a8] main access error: Falló lectura de archivo
[0x7f387c0044a8] main access error: VLC no pudo abrir el archivo
«/home/mario/file.mp4;» (No such file or directory).
[0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: open of
`file:///home/mario/file.mp4%3B' failed
[0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: Su entrada no puede abrirse
[0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: VLC es incapaz de abrir el MRL
«file:///home/mario/file.mp4%3B». Vea el registro para más detalles.

Also, I use a simple Python script (Server code in
https://wiki.python.org/moin/TcpCommunication) to receive this messages
and, when it does, it prints:

received data: b'add file.mp4;\n'

Ssome guys from #dataflow told me that the best workaround is to make a
small program/app/script that strips semicolons. Yes, now I'm writing
it... but I would not need another program to do this.

I've never reported a Pd bug. I'm writing this mail to you to know about
this (maybe it is not necessary to report it)... and maybe someone knows
another workaround.

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Oops, test3 bad, test4 up now

[Christof Ressi]

Hi Miller,

I just discovered another minor bug.

In the help patch for [list] it says:

"In general, inlets that take lists (two each for append/prepend, and one each 
for split and trim) will convert non-list messages (such as "set 5") to lists 
(such as "list set 5" automatically.)"

The recently added [list fromsymbol] and [list tosymbol] objects don't comply 
with this rule yet, as they will complain if you pass them non-list messages.

Christof


> Gesendet: Freitag, 06. Mai 2016 um 04:55 Uhr
> Von: "Miller Puckette" 
> An: "Alexandre Torres Porres" 
> Cc: "pd-lista puredata" 
> Betreff: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Oops, test3 bad, test4 up now
>
> I think it's fixed now... almost ready to put out 0.47-0 for real :)
> 
> cheers
> Miller
> On Thu, May 05, 2016 at 11:16:46PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> > I was calling [clone]'s help from "help-intro.pd" and it crashed, tried it
> > a few more times and crashed again (but not always)
> > 
> > I had complained about this first and then it seemed it had been fixed, but
> > not quite yet i guess
> > 
> > cheers
> > 
> > 2016-05-04 18:11 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette :
> > 
> > > Yep - confirmed and I believe fixed.  Thanks
> > >
> > > M
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 02:28:46PM +0200, Christof Ressi wrote:
> > > > I'm having crashes again with opening help patches (Win 7 binaries).
> > > >
> > > > Not 100% reliable, but 'works' most of the time:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Start Pd
> > > > 2) make a new canvas
> > > > 3) right click into emtpy canvas -> help (opening help-intro.pd)
> > > > 4) close help-intro.pd
> > > > 5) create empty [clone] object
> > > > 6) right click on [clone] -> help
> > > > ... Pd hangs and WerFault.exe pops up
> > > >
> > > > Christof
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Gesendet: Montag, 02. Mai 2016 um 07:04 Uhr
> > > > > Von: "Miller Puckette" 
> > > > > An: pd-annou...@iem.at
> > > > > Betreff: [PD] [PD-announce] Oops, test3 bad, test4 up now
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry for the noise -
> > > > >
> > > > > I broke the variable delay reader in 0.47-0test3 - I've uploaded test4
> > > > > to replace it... http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm etc. as usual.
> > > > >
> > > > > cheers
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[PD] Gem via deken?

[Dan Wilcox]

Has anyone been able to get Gem to load after installing with deken? I’ve tried 
with the test releases as well as a custom build, setting path and lib at 
startup, etc and the best I can get is "gemglutwindow could not create”.

This is on OSX. Other externals work fine.


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Oops, test3 bad, test4 up now

[Christof Ressi]

Also, the serializer example in the [list] help patch is a bit dangerous, 
because the recursion will easily cause a stack overflow for longer lists :-). 
Maybe make a second serializer example with the iterative approach (although 
not linear in time either) could be added? Plus a hint to [list-drip] or [drip] 
as long as the problem with deep copies is not fixed?

> Gesendet: Freitag, 06. Mai 2016 um 18:01 Uhr
> Von: "Christof Ressi" 
> An: "Miller Puckette" 
> Cc: "pd-lista puredata" 
> Betreff: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Oops, test3 bad, test4 up now
>
> Hi Miller,
> 
> I just discovered another minor bug.
> 
> In the help patch for [list] it says:
> 
> "In general, inlets that take lists (two each for append/prepend, and one 
> each for split and trim) will convert non-list messages (such as "set 5") to 
> lists (such as "list set 5" automatically.)"
> 
> The recently added [list fromsymbol] and [list tosymbol] objects don't comply 
> with this rule yet, as they will complain if you pass them non-list messages.
> 
> Christof
> 
> 
> > Gesendet: Freitag, 06. Mai 2016 um 04:55 Uhr
> > Von: "Miller Puckette" 
> > An: "Alexandre Torres Porres" 
> > Cc: "pd-lista puredata" 
> > Betreff: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Oops, test3 bad, test4 up now
> >
> > I think it's fixed now... almost ready to put out 0.47-0 for real :)
> > 
> > cheers
> > Miller
> > On Thu, May 05, 2016 at 11:16:46PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> > > I was calling [clone]'s help from "help-intro.pd" and it crashed, tried it
> > > a few more times and crashed again (but not always)
> > > 
> > > I had complained about this first and then it seemed it had been fixed, 
> > > but
> > > not quite yet i guess
> > > 
> > > cheers
> > > 
> > > 2016-05-04 18:11 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette :
> > > 
> > > > Yep - confirmed and I believe fixed.  Thanks
> > > >
> > > > M
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 02:28:46PM +0200, Christof Ressi wrote:
> > > > > I'm having crashes again with opening help patches (Win 7 binaries).
> > > > >
> > > > > Not 100% reliable, but 'works' most of the time:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Start Pd
> > > > > 2) make a new canvas
> > > > > 3) right click into emtpy canvas -> help (opening help-intro.pd)
> > > > > 4) close help-intro.pd
> > > > > 5) create empty [clone] object
> > > > > 6) right click on [clone] -> help
> > > > > ... Pd hangs and WerFault.exe pops up
> > > > >
> > > > > Christof
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Gesendet: Montag, 02. Mai 2016 um 07:04 Uhr
> > > > > > Von: "Miller Puckette" 
> > > > > > An: pd-annou...@iem.at
> > > > > > Betreff: [PD] [PD-announce] Oops, test3 bad, test4 up now
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry for the noise -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I broke the variable delay reader in 0.47-0test3 - I've uploaded 
> > > > > > test4
> > > > > > to replace it... http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm etc. as usual.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > cheers
> > > > > > Miller
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Oops, test3 bad, test4 up now

[Miller Puckette]

Yep, the "DSP" button now resizes accorging to the Pd window's font size
(before it was a fixed size).  That's so that people with very high resolution
screens can see it.

cheers
Miller
On Fri, May 06, 2016 at 01:53:43AM -0700, Derek Kwan wrote:
> > Sorry for the noise -
> > 
> > I broke the variable delay reader in 0.47-0test3 - I've uploaded test4
> > to replace it... http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm etc. as usual.
> > 
> > cheers
> > Miller
> > 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm not sure if it matters all that much but "DSP" in the Pd window next
> to the checkbox is different from previous versions. It's of a smaller
> font and not bolded. I've actually been using that to tell the
> difference between your test I compiled from source and the older
> apt-get installed one =P. I like it better the old way (always helpful
> when things are easier to read) but it's no huge deal if you feel
> strongly otherwise.
> 
> Also, in terms of the file prompts for openpanel/savepanel/open/save, is
> it possible to have a "Create New Folder" button? Also, a detailed list
> view option (name/size/type/date) would be nice at some point but it sounds
> like a whole lot more work and it's not exactly something I've been
> absolutely dying without... but the new folder button would be nice =).
> Thanks for all your hard work!
> 
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> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.47-0test2 released

[Miller Puckette]

That's correct behavior.  The earlier behavior (in which owning
patches saved declarations made inside abstractions) was in error.

I believe old patches will still work, but yes, if you re-save an old
patch using a new version of Pd you'll have to add the appropriate "declare"
object to the owning patch.  (This sounds like an inconvenience but is an
improvement since the old behavior wasn't well defined.)


cheers
Miller

On Fri, May 06, 2016 at 11:45:12AM +0200, ro...@dds.nl wrote:
> this my pd file :
> 
> #N struct 1011-symarray float x array symbols 1011-sym;
> #N struct 1011-sym symbol name float on;
> #N canvas 235 0 1120 645 10;
> #X declare -path ./abs-pd;
> #X obj 37 113 fred-links;
> 
> i open it with Vanilla (latest test version),
> add a [i], and save.
> 
> this is the saved file:
> 
> #N struct 1010-symarray float x array symbols 1010-sym;
> #N struct 1010-sym symbol name float on;
> #N canvas 235 50 1120 645 10;
> #X obj 37 113 fred-links;
> #X obj 149 59 i;
> 
> the declare statement has disappeared
> 
> this doesn't happen with vanilla 46.7
> 
> rolf
> 
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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[Jack]

I will change the position of the sounds in the theatre space (it will
depend on the position of the dancers on stage, and other things). I
guess the LP 16 Live Player is not the interface for this purpose ?
++

Jack



Le 06/05/2016 17:21, patrice colet a écrit :
> Maybe you don't want a soundcard but a good multitrack player for
> interpreting Pierre Henry pieces, something like this:
> 
> https://audiosex.pro/threads/cymatic-lr-lp-16.23833/
> 
> it's about 320€
> 
> 
> Le 06/05/2016 à 16:40, Jack a écrit :
>> Thanks a lot for your answers.
>>
>> If i understand, i have many solutions to achieve my goal :
>>
>> - buy 1 soundcard, for exemple :
>> - MOTU 24Ao AVB which is class complient : good news for linux users)
>> - Presonus VSL1818 with a ADAT 8-channel DAC (Roman, do you have a
>> link for this with jack connectors ?)
>>
>> - buy several 'small' soundcards (like 8 Griffin iMic, cheap solution
>> but lot of sound cards)
>>
>> - buy 2 soundcards with 8 outputs (in this case, i need 2 usb
>> controllers on my computer, right ?)
>>
>> - buy 2 C-media CM6206 soundcards (cheapest solution here, never seen
>> and tested but looks promising)
>>
>> By experience, in theatre, i prefer to have an easy setup, PC + 1 or 2
>> soundcards, on which i can plug jack connectors. The sound will be a
>> Pierre Henry music.
>>
>> If someone has other recommandations ?
>> ++
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 06/05/2016 14:54, patrice colet a écrit :
>>>  If it's just about having 16 channels DAC, using two C-media CM6206
>>> soundcards should be enough but you might need direct input boxes if the
>>> amplifiers are not just beside the computer, I tried this chipset and it
>>> works good on a pcduino2 and Pd with 8 channels, no glitches, it should
>>> works as well on a Raspberry Pi 3.  So it's possible to cluster the
>>> soundcard+pi on a network and have as much channels as you need.
>>>
>>>
>>> e 06/05/2016 à 14:32, Simon Iten a écrit :
 or get yourself an old rme multiface hdsp card, eight analog outputs
 and eight adat… you will need an old laptop with pcmcia or a new one
 with express card (or a macbook with thunderbolt and an adatper)

 rme cards are good quality and quite cheaply secondhand (200 $)

> On 06 May 2016, at 14:08, William Huston
> <williamahus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The Motu is $1000. The Presonus is $500. What about getting 8x
> 2-channel USB soundcards? The Griffin iMic is a 2x2 and is $40. So 8x
> would be $320.
>
> If you look around, you can find 2ch USB audio adapters for $20/each,
> $10/each, even $2/each. For that kind of money you could purchase a
> few and evaluate them in terms of quality, or maybe read up on what
> chip they use and read reviews.
>
> I'm pretty sure Pd supports multiple audio adapters, but have not
> tested this.
>
> Please post your results, as I would like to get into ambisonics as
> well and be able to drive 8x or more speakers. But I don't want to
> spend $1000!
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 5, 2016, Jack <j...@rybn.org>
> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> With the following configuration :
>> Ubuntu 16.04
>> Pd-0.47.0
>>
>> I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
>> What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
>> Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
>> willing to do this job ?
>>
>> Ciao.
>> ++
>>
>> Jack
>>
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Re: [PD] [netsend] bug?

[Jack]

Can you send a full output from [netsend -b] ?
To get your message line by line, you must recreate the chain by
accumulating numerical values until a 10 or/and 13 comes. For this a
[route 10 13] (to do something when a 10 or 13 comes), [list prepend]
(to accumulate) and [list] (to store accumulation) should help.
See attached files for one possibility of vanilla version of [l2s].
++

Jack



Le 06/05/2016 17:46, Mario Mey a écrit :
> Jack, thank you for this patch. It works. Also thanks to Patrice... but
> I want to make it easy.
> 
> Now, I would want to know how to reproduce l2s with Vanilla (I'm trying
> to use only Vanilla).
> 
> ... and there's something else: If I send "playlist" to VLC, the right
> outlet of [netsend -b] prints the playlist... but one character per
> print. Something like:
> 
> print: 43
> print: 45
> print: 45
> print: 45
> print: 45
> print: 91
> print: 32
> print: 80
> print: 108
> print: 97
> print: 121
> print: 108
> ...
> 
> If I put [list tosymbol] before [print], the characters appears:
> 
> print: symbol +
> print: symbol -
> print: symbol -
> print: symbol -
> print: symbol -
> print: symbol [
> print: symbol
> print: symbol P
> print: symbol l
> print: symbol a
> print: symbol y
> print: symbol l
> ...
> 
> How should I convert all this messages into one message? If possible,
> respecting the return carriage.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> El 06/05/16 a las 10:51, Jack escribió:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Now, with Pd 0.46.7 you have [netsend -b].
>> It allows you to send a string in 'binary' mode (you don't need anymore
>> to use the FUDI protocol used by netsend before).
>>
>> Then, something like :
>>
>> [list add file.mp4(
>> |
>> [l2s] <- from zexy library (there is vanilla solution for this)
>> |
>> [list fromsymbol]
>> |
>> [list append 10]
>> |
>> [list prepend send]
>> |
>> [list trim]
>> |
>> [netsend -b]
>>
>> should work.
>> ++
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 06/05/2016 14:45, Mario Mey a écrit :
>>> Hi, there. I'm trying to use PureData 0.46.7 to control VLC. Based on a
>>> patch in https://github.com/mxa/AudioVideoPatches, that uses Python code
>>> (pyext) to send TCP messages, I want to use [netsend] to send them,
>>> without Python.
>>>
>>> I start VLC with:
>>>
>>> vlc -I rc --rc-host=localhost:1234
>>>
>>> And, in Pd:
>>>
>>> [connect localhost 1234(
>>> |
>>> |  [list add file.mp4(
>>> |  [list prepend send]
>>> |  [list trim]
>>> | /
>>> [netsend]
>>>
>>> The connection is well done, but I discovered that the messages arrives
>>> with a ";" at the end of the message. For example, when I click on [list
>>> add file.mp4(, VLC says (sorry for the language):
>>>
>>> [0x7f387c0044a8] filesystem access error: cannot open file
>>> /home/mario/file.mp4; (No such file or directory)
>>> [0x7f387c0044a8] main access error: Falló lectura de archivo
>>> [0x7f387c0044a8] main access error: VLC no pudo abrir el archivo
>>> «/home/mario/file.mp4;» (No such file or directory).
>>> [0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: open of
>>> `file:///home/mario/file.mp4%3B' failed
>>> [0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: Su entrada no puede abrirse
>>> [0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: VLC es incapaz de abrir el MRL
>>> «file:///home/mario/file.mp4%3B». Vea el registro para más detalles.
>>>
>>> Also, I use a simple Python script (Server code in
>>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/TcpCommunication) to receive this messages
>>> and, when it does, it prints:
>>>
>>> received data: b'add file.mp4;\n'
>>>
>>> Ssome guys from #dataflow told me that the best workaround is to make a
>>> small program/app/script that strips semicolons. Yes, now I'm writing
>>> it... but I would not need another program to do this.
>>>
>>> I've never reported a Pd bug. I'm writing this mail to you to know about
>>> this (maybe it is not necessary to report it)... and maybe someone knows
>>> another workaround.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
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Re: [PD] [netsend] bug?

[Jack]

Forget an abstraction (float2symbol).
++

Jack



Le 06/05/2016 19:15, Jack a écrit :
> Can you send a full output from [netsend -b] ?
> To get your message line by line, you must recreate the chain by
> accumulating numerical values until a 10 or/and 13 comes. For this a
> [route 10 13] (to do something when a 10 or 13 comes), [list prepend]
> (to accumulate) and [list] (to store accumulation) should help.
> See attached files for one possibility of vanilla version of [l2s].
> ++
> 
> Jack
> 
> 
> 
> Le 06/05/2016 17:46, Mario Mey a écrit :
>> Jack, thank you for this patch. It works. Also thanks to Patrice... but
>> I want to make it easy.
>>
>> Now, I would want to know how to reproduce l2s with Vanilla (I'm trying
>> to use only Vanilla).
>>
>> ... and there's something else: If I send "playlist" to VLC, the right
>> outlet of [netsend -b] prints the playlist... but one character per
>> print. Something like:
>>
>> print: 43
>> print: 45
>> print: 45
>> print: 45
>> print: 45
>> print: 91
>> print: 32
>> print: 80
>> print: 108
>> print: 97
>> print: 121
>> print: 108
>> ...
>>
>> If I put [list tosymbol] before [print], the characters appears:
>>
>> print: symbol +
>> print: symbol -
>> print: symbol -
>> print: symbol -
>> print: symbol -
>> print: symbol [
>> print: symbol
>> print: symbol P
>> print: symbol l
>> print: symbol a
>> print: symbol y
>> print: symbol l
>> ...
>>
>> How should I convert all this messages into one message? If possible,
>> respecting the return carriage.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> El 06/05/16 a las 10:51, Jack escribió:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Now, with Pd 0.46.7 you have [netsend -b].
>>> It allows you to send a string in 'binary' mode (you don't need anymore
>>> to use the FUDI protocol used by netsend before).
>>>
>>> Then, something like :
>>>
>>> [list add file.mp4(
>>> |
>>> [l2s] <- from zexy library (there is vanilla solution for this)
>>> |
>>> [list fromsymbol]
>>> |
>>> [list append 10]
>>> |
>>> [list prepend send]
>>> |
>>> [list trim]
>>> |
>>> [netsend -b]
>>>
>>> should work.
>>> ++
>>>
>>> Jack
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 06/05/2016 14:45, Mario Mey a écrit :
 Hi, there. I'm trying to use PureData 0.46.7 to control VLC. Based on a
 patch in https://github.com/mxa/AudioVideoPatches, that uses Python code
 (pyext) to send TCP messages, I want to use [netsend] to send them,
 without Python.

 I start VLC with:

 vlc -I rc --rc-host=localhost:1234

 And, in Pd:

 [connect localhost 1234(
 |
 |  [list add file.mp4(
 |  [list prepend send]
 |  [list trim]
 | /
 [netsend]

 The connection is well done, but I discovered that the messages arrives
 with a ";" at the end of the message. For example, when I click on [list
 add file.mp4(, VLC says (sorry for the language):

 [0x7f387c0044a8] filesystem access error: cannot open file
 /home/mario/file.mp4; (No such file or directory)
 [0x7f387c0044a8] main access error: Falló lectura de archivo
 [0x7f387c0044a8] main access error: VLC no pudo abrir el archivo
 «/home/mario/file.mp4;» (No such file or directory).
 [0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: open of
 `file:///home/mario/file.mp4%3B' failed
 [0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: Su entrada no puede abrirse
 [0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: VLC es incapaz de abrir el MRL
 «file:///home/mario/file.mp4%3B». Vea el registro para más detalles.

 Also, I use a simple Python script (Server code in
 https://wiki.python.org/moin/TcpCommunication) to receive this messages
 and, when it does, it prints:

 received data: b'add file.mp4;\n'

 Ssome guys from #dataflow told me that the best workaround is to make a
 small program/app/script that strips semicolons. Yes, now I'm writing
 it... but I would not need another program to do this.

 I've never reported a Pd bug. I'm writing this mail to you to know about
 this (maybe it is not necessary to report it)... and maybe someone knows
 another workaround.

 Thank you.

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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[Miller Puckette]

On caveat: you probably can't sync these together, so you will occasionally
get an audio error on output as Pd 'resyncs' them.  There are various
ways of working around this.  Maybe the best way in your particular
situation is to have two copies of Pd and use netsend/receive to sync them
at message level.  If you do this in short segments (< 10 minutes or so)
the time slippage shouldn't exceed what you get anyhow because of speaker
placement.

cheers
Miller

On Fri, May 06, 2016 at 05:07:06PM +0200, Peter Venus wrote:
> well,
> if it should be on the cheap side,
> and the need for usb because of a lacking pcmcia/expresscard is present,
> there there are
> logilink ua0099 available, which are offering 8ch output
> for 23euros
> i bought some here:
> http://www.pollin.de/shop/dt/MDUyODcyOTk-/Computer_Informationstechnik/USB_Technik/USB_Konverter/7_1_Kanal_USB_2_0_Soundbox_LogiLink_UA0099.html
> 
> 
> cheers,
> peter
> 
> On 2016-05-06 14:54, patrice colet wrote:
> >
> > If it's just about having 16 channels DAC, using two C-media CM6206
> >soundcards should be enough but you might need direct input boxes if the
> >amplifiers are not just beside the computer, I tried this chipset and it
> >works good on a pcduino2 and Pd with 8 channels, no glitches, it should
> >works as well on a Raspberry Pi 3.  So it's possible to cluster the
> >soundcard+pi on a network and have as much channels as you need.
> >
> >
> >e 06/05/2016 à 14:32, Simon Iten a écrit :
> >>or get yourself an old rme multiface hdsp card, eight analog outputs and
> >>eight adat… you will need an old laptop with pcmcia or a new one with
> >>express card (or a macbook with thunderbolt and an adatper)
> >>
> >>rme cards are good quality and quite cheaply secondhand (200 $)
> >>
> >>>On 06 May 2016, at 14:08, William Huston 
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>The Motu is $1000. The Presonus is $500. What about getting 8x
> >>>2-channel USB soundcards? The Griffin iMic is a 2x2 and is $40. So 8x
> >>>would be $320.
> >>>
> >>>If you look around, you can find 2ch USB audio adapters for $20/each,
> >>>$10/each, even $2/each. For that kind of money you could purchase a
> >>>few and evaluate them in terms of quality, or maybe read up on what
> >>>chip they use and read reviews.
> >>>
> >>>I'm pretty sure Pd supports multiple audio adapters, but have not
> >>>tested this.
> >>>
> >>>Please post your results, as I would like to get into ambisonics as
> >>>well and be able to drive 8x or more speakers. But I don't want to
> >>>spend $1000!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Thursday, May 5, 2016, Jack  wrote:
>  Hello,
> 
>  With the following configuration :
>  Ubuntu 16.04
>  Pd-0.47.0
> 
>  I need to find a solution to send sounds on 16 different speakers.
>  What is your advice regarding the purchase of USB sound cards under
>  Linux with this configuration ? For you, which sound cards are more
>  willing to do this job ?
> 
>  Ciao.
>  ++
> 
>  Jack
> 
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Re: [PD] [netsend] bug?

[Joel Matthys]

Another option is to use [makefilename %d] in place of this 
[float2symbol] abstraction. But I've never seen this clever abstraction. 
Thanks Jack!


Joel

On 05/06/2016 12:20 PM, Jack wrote:

Forget an abstraction (float2symbol).
++

Jack



Le 06/05/2016 19:15, Jack a écrit :

Can you send a full output from [netsend -b] ?
To get your message line by line, you must recreate the chain by
accumulating numerical values until a 10 or/and 13 comes. For this a
[route 10 13] (to do something when a 10 or 13 comes), [list prepend]
(to accumulate) and [list] (to store accumulation) should help.
See attached files for one possibility of vanilla version of [l2s].
++

Jack



Le 06/05/2016 17:46, Mario Mey a écrit :

Jack, thank you for this patch. It works. Also thanks to Patrice... but
I want to make it easy.

Now, I would want to know how to reproduce l2s with Vanilla (I'm trying
to use only Vanilla).

... and there's something else: If I send "playlist" to VLC, the right
outlet of [netsend -b] prints the playlist... but one character per
print. Something like:

print: 43
print: 45
print: 45
print: 45
print: 45
print: 91
print: 32
print: 80
print: 108
print: 97
print: 121
print: 108
...

If I put [list tosymbol] before [print], the characters appears:

print: symbol +
print: symbol -
print: symbol -
print: symbol -
print: symbol -
print: symbol [
print: symbol
print: symbol P
print: symbol l
print: symbol a
print: symbol y
print: symbol l
...

How should I convert all this messages into one message? If possible,
respecting the return carriage.





El 06/05/16 a las 10:51, Jack escribió:

Hello,

Now, with Pd 0.46.7 you have [netsend -b].
It allows you to send a string in 'binary' mode (you don't need anymore
to use the FUDI protocol used by netsend before).

Then, something like :

[list add file.mp4(
|
[l2s] <- from zexy library (there is vanilla solution for this)
|
[list fromsymbol]
|
[list append 10]
|
[list prepend send]
|
[list trim]
|
[netsend -b]

should work.
++

Jack



Le 06/05/2016 14:45, Mario Mey a écrit :

Hi, there. I'm trying to use PureData 0.46.7 to control VLC. Based on a
patch in https://github.com/mxa/AudioVideoPatches, that uses Python code
(pyext) to send TCP messages, I want to use [netsend] to send them,
without Python.

I start VLC with:

vlc -I rc --rc-host=localhost:1234

And, in Pd:

[connect localhost 1234(
|
|  [list add file.mp4(
|  [list prepend send]
|  [list trim]
| /
[netsend]

The connection is well done, but I discovered that the messages arrives
with a ";" at the end of the message. For example, when I click on [list
add file.mp4(, VLC says (sorry for the language):

[0x7f387c0044a8] filesystem access error: cannot open file
/home/mario/file.mp4; (No such file or directory)
[0x7f387c0044a8] main access error: Falló lectura de archivo
[0x7f387c0044a8] main access error: VLC no pudo abrir el archivo
«/home/mario/file.mp4;» (No such file or directory).
[0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: open of
`file:///home/mario/file.mp4%3B' failed
[0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: Su entrada no puede abrirse
[0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: VLC es incapaz de abrir el MRL
«file:///home/mario/file.mp4%3B». Vea el registro para más detalles.

Also, I use a simple Python script (Server code in
https://wiki.python.org/moin/TcpCommunication) to receive this messages
and, when it does, it prints:

received data: b'add file.mp4;\n'

Ssome guys from #dataflow told me that the best workaround is to make a
small program/app/script that strips semicolons. Yes, now I'm writing
it... but I would not need another program to do this.

I've never reported a Pd bug. I'm writing this mail to you to know about
this (maybe it is not necessary to report it)... and maybe someone knows
another workaround.

Thank you.

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Re: [PD] more help file suggestions for pd 0.47

[me.grimm]

Hello,

[makefilename] N-Tuple substitution example :)

m

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres 
wrote:

> So i did browse though all the help files again to see if I could find
> anything else, here it is:
>
> [%], [mod] and [div] call the otherbinops-help file, but none of these 3
> objects are mentioned in it, so please update this help file to include
> them.
>
> both delwrite~ and delread~ could be update to refer to the new vd~ name
> delread4~ (I had suggested this before with delread~ but forgot about
> delwrite~).
>
> [value] could be update to inform that you can both read and write values
> to it from the [expr] family of objects
>
> Moreover, many help files were hurting the eye because comments were
> overlaping with objects, the window size was wring and things like that. I
> assume some font size and things like that changed from one version to
> another and things got a little screwed up (30 of them exactly).
>
> I made changes myself, all very minute and just to correct this aesthetic
> and reading problems - some incredibly minute, while other needed more
> effort separating overlapping things. But anyway, none should configure an
> "update to 0.47" remark in my oppinion... cause it's all the same!
>
> only thing I really changed was in [change] (haha) - where I fixed a typo
> (STREAM instead of STEAM), find them all attached.
>
> cheers
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Re: [PD] [netsend] bug?

[Jack]

Hello Joel,

[makefilename %d] is OK if you send an integer like 1 or 25487. But if
you send something like 254.56, you only get [symbol 254(.
That's why, i made this abstraction ;)
++

Jack



Le 06/05/2016 19:28, Joel Matthys a écrit :
> Another option is to use [makefilename %d] in place of this
> [float2symbol] abstraction. But I've never seen this clever abstraction.
> Thanks Jack!
> 
> Joel
> 
> On 05/06/2016 12:20 PM, Jack wrote:
>> Forget an abstraction (float2symbol).
>> ++
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 06/05/2016 19:15, Jack a écrit :
>>> Can you send a full output from [netsend -b] ?
>>> To get your message line by line, you must recreate the chain by
>>> accumulating numerical values until a 10 or/and 13 comes. For this a
>>> [route 10 13] (to do something when a 10 or 13 comes), [list prepend]
>>> (to accumulate) and [list] (to store accumulation) should help.
>>> See attached files for one possibility of vanilla version of [l2s].
>>> ++
>>>
>>> Jack
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 06/05/2016 17:46, Mario Mey a écrit :
 Jack, thank you for this patch. It works. Also thanks to Patrice... but
 I want to make it easy.

 Now, I would want to know how to reproduce l2s with Vanilla (I'm trying
 to use only Vanilla).

 ... and there's something else: If I send "playlist" to VLC, the right
 outlet of [netsend -b] prints the playlist... but one character per
 print. Something like:

 print: 43
 print: 45
 print: 45
 print: 45
 print: 45
 print: 91
 print: 32
 print: 80
 print: 108
 print: 97
 print: 121
 print: 108
 ...

 If I put [list tosymbol] before [print], the characters appears:

 print: symbol +
 print: symbol -
 print: symbol -
 print: symbol -
 print: symbol -
 print: symbol [
 print: symbol
 print: symbol P
 print: symbol l
 print: symbol a
 print: symbol y
 print: symbol l
 ...

 How should I convert all this messages into one message? If possible,
 respecting the return carriage.





 El 06/05/16 a las 10:51, Jack escribió:
> Hello,
>
> Now, with Pd 0.46.7 you have [netsend -b].
> It allows you to send a string in 'binary' mode (you don't need anymore
> to use the FUDI protocol used by netsend before).
>
> Then, something like :
>
> [list add file.mp4(
> |
> [l2s] <- from zexy library (there is vanilla solution for this)
> |
> [list fromsymbol]
> |
> [list append 10]
> |
> [list prepend send]
> |
> [list trim]
> |
> [netsend -b]
>
> should work.
> ++
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> Le 06/05/2016 14:45, Mario Mey a écrit :
>> Hi, there. I'm trying to use PureData 0.46.7 to control VLC. Based on a
>> patch in https://github.com/mxa/AudioVideoPatches, that uses Python code
>> (pyext) to send TCP messages, I want to use [netsend] to send them,
>> without Python.
>>
>> I start VLC with:
>>
>> vlc -I rc --rc-host=localhost:1234
>>
>> And, in Pd:
>>
>> [connect localhost 1234(
>> |
>> |  [list add file.mp4(
>> |  [list prepend send]
>> |  [list trim]
>> | /
>> [netsend]
>>
>> The connection is well done, but I discovered that the messages arrives
>> with a ";" at the end of the message. For example, when I click on [list
>> add file.mp4(, VLC says (sorry for the language):
>>
>> [0x7f387c0044a8] filesystem access error: cannot open file
>> /home/mario/file.mp4; (No such file or directory)
>> [0x7f387c0044a8] main access error: Falló lectura de archivo
>> [0x7f387c0044a8] main access error: VLC no pudo abrir el archivo
>> «/home/mario/file.mp4;» (No such file or directory).
>> [0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: open of
>> `file:///home/mario/file.mp4%3B' failed
>> [0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: Su entrada no puede abrirse
>> [0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: VLC es incapaz de abrir el MRL
>> «file:///home/mario/file.mp4%3B». Vea el registro para más detalles.
>>
>> Also, I use a simple Python script (Server code in
>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/TcpCommunication) to receive this messages
>> and, when it does, it prints:
>>
>> received data: b'add file.mp4;\n'
>>
>> Ssome guys from #dataflow told me that the best workaround is to make a
>> small program/app/script that strips semicolons. Yes, now I'm writing
>> it... but I would not need another program to do this.
>>
>> I've never reported a Pd bug. I'm writing this mail to you to know about
>> this (maybe it is not necessary to report it)... and maybe someone knows
>> another workaround.
>>
>> Thank you.
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Re: [PD] [netsend] bug?

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 05/06/2016 02:45 PM, Mario Mey wrote:
> The connection is well done, but I discovered that the messages arrives
> with a ";" at the end of the message.

this is the format that Pd messages are transmitted in.
it is not a bug, but called FUDI

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUDI

both applications (e.g. Pd and VLC) need to speak the same protocol in
order to communicate. to make [netsend] not speak FUDI but any arbitrary
protocol, use the 'raw' mode (as jack has pointed out)

gfmdsar
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Re: [PD] [netsend] bug?

[Jack]

Of course, to get decimal, you can use [makefilename %f] but in this
case, you got a symbol very different :

Your float : float 0.19
The symbol you get : symbol 0.19

With the abstraction [float2symbol] you will get :
symbol 0.19
++

Jack



Le 06/05/2016 20:05, Jack a écrit :
> Hello Joel,
> 
> [makefilename %d] is OK if you send an integer like 1 or 25487. But if
> you send something like 254.56, you only get [symbol 254(.
> That's why, i made this abstraction ;)
> ++
> 
> Jack
> 
> 
> 
> Le 06/05/2016 19:28, Joel Matthys a écrit :
>> Another option is to use [makefilename %d] in place of this
>> [float2symbol] abstraction. But I've never seen this clever abstraction.
>> Thanks Jack!
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> On 05/06/2016 12:20 PM, Jack wrote:
>>> Forget an abstraction (float2symbol).
>>> ++
>>>
>>> Jack
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 06/05/2016 19:15, Jack a écrit :
 Can you send a full output from [netsend -b] ?
 To get your message line by line, you must recreate the chain by
 accumulating numerical values until a 10 or/and 13 comes. For this a
 [route 10 13] (to do something when a 10 or 13 comes), [list prepend]
 (to accumulate) and [list] (to store accumulation) should help.
 See attached files for one possibility of vanilla version of [l2s].
 ++

 Jack



 Le 06/05/2016 17:46, Mario Mey a écrit :
> Jack, thank you for this patch. It works. Also thanks to Patrice... but
> I want to make it easy.
>
> Now, I would want to know how to reproduce l2s with Vanilla (I'm trying
> to use only Vanilla).
>
> ... and there's something else: If I send "playlist" to VLC, the right
> outlet of [netsend -b] prints the playlist... but one character per
> print. Something like:
>
> print: 43
> print: 45
> print: 45
> print: 45
> print: 45
> print: 91
> print: 32
> print: 80
> print: 108
> print: 97
> print: 121
> print: 108
> ...
>
> If I put [list tosymbol] before [print], the characters appears:
>
> print: symbol +
> print: symbol -
> print: symbol -
> print: symbol -
> print: symbol -
> print: symbol [
> print: symbol
> print: symbol P
> print: symbol l
> print: symbol a
> print: symbol y
> print: symbol l
> ...
>
> How should I convert all this messages into one message? If possible,
> respecting the return carriage.
>
>
>
>
>
> El 06/05/16 a las 10:51, Jack escribió:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Now, with Pd 0.46.7 you have [netsend -b].
>> It allows you to send a string in 'binary' mode (you don't need anymore
>> to use the FUDI protocol used by netsend before).
>>
>> Then, something like :
>>
>> [list add file.mp4(
>> |
>> [l2s] <- from zexy library (there is vanilla solution for this)
>> |
>> [list fromsymbol]
>> |
>> [list append 10]
>> |
>> [list prepend send]
>> |
>> [list trim]
>> |
>> [netsend -b]
>>
>> should work.
>> ++
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 06/05/2016 14:45, Mario Mey a écrit :
>>> Hi, there. I'm trying to use PureData 0.46.7 to control VLC. Based on a
>>> patch in https://github.com/mxa/AudioVideoPatches, that uses Python code
>>> (pyext) to send TCP messages, I want to use [netsend] to send them,
>>> without Python.
>>>
>>> I start VLC with:
>>>
>>> vlc -I rc --rc-host=localhost:1234
>>>
>>> And, in Pd:
>>>
>>> [connect localhost 1234(
>>> |
>>> |  [list add file.mp4(
>>> |  [list prepend send]
>>> |  [list trim]
>>> | /
>>> [netsend]
>>>
>>> The connection is well done, but I discovered that the messages arrives
>>> with a ";" at the end of the message. For example, when I click on [list
>>> add file.mp4(, VLC says (sorry for the language):
>>>
>>> [0x7f387c0044a8] filesystem access error: cannot open file
>>> /home/mario/file.mp4; (No such file or directory)
>>> [0x7f387c0044a8] main access error: Falló lectura de archivo
>>> [0x7f387c0044a8] main access error: VLC no pudo abrir el archivo
>>> «/home/mario/file.mp4;» (No such file or directory).
>>> [0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: open of
>>> `file:///home/mario/file.mp4%3B' failed
>>> [0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: Su entrada no puede abrirse
>>> [0x7f3888005ac8] main input error: VLC es incapaz de abrir el MRL
>>> «file:///home/mario/file.mp4%3B». Vea el registro para más detalles.
>>>
>>> Also, I use a simple Python script (Server code in
>>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/TcpCommunication) to receive this messages
>>> and, when it does, it prints:
>>>
>>> received data: b'add file.mp4;\n'
>>>
>>> Ssome guys from #dataflow told me that the best workaround is to make a
>>> small program/app/script that strips semicolons. Yes, now I'm writing

[PD] [ot] threat of pure data

[Peter Nyboer]

Sometimes I wish pd had a more search-engine friendly name (could be worse, 
like “max” or something!), but then such gems like this turn up

"And some music executives openly worry that discounting their expertise for 
pure data would threaten their jobs and result in “a horrible, soulless, 
robotic society,” as one put it a conference in Norway last month."

— 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/07/business/media/the-sweet-streaming-sound-of-data.html?_r=0

The moral is: keep using pure data to save society.

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Re: [PD] [netsend] bug?

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 05/06/2016 08:16 PM, Jack wrote:
> Of course, to get decimal, you can use [makefilename %f] but in this
> case, you got a symbol very different :
> 
> Your float : float 0.19
> The symbol you get : symbol 0.19

[makefilename %g]

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Re: [PD] [netsend] bug?

[Jack]

Didn't know this one :D
++

Jack



Le 06/05/2016 20:19, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :
> On 05/06/2016 08:16 PM, Jack wrote:
>> Of course, to get decimal, you can use [makefilename %f] but in this
>> case, you got a symbol very different :
>>
>> Your float : float 0.19
>> The symbol you get : symbol 0.19
> 
> [makefilename %g]
> 
> gfrdsa
> IOhannes
> 
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Re: [PD] [ot] threat of pure data

[Miller Puckette]

Pure poetry!

cheers
Miller

On Fri, May 06, 2016 at 11:18:35AM -0700, Peter Nyboer wrote:
> Sometimes I wish pd had a more search-engine friendly name (could be worse, 
> like “max” or something!), but then such gems like this turn up
> 
> "And some music executives openly worry that discounting their expertise for 
> pure data would threaten their jobs and result in “a horrible, soulless, 
> robotic society,” as one put it a conference in Norway last month."
> 
> — 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/07/business/media/the-sweet-streaming-sound-of-data.html?_r=0
> 
> The moral is: keep using pure data to save society.
> 
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Re: [PD] [netsend] bug?

[Roman Haefeli]

On Fri, 2016-05-06 at 12:46 -0300, Mario Mey wrote:
> Jack, thank you for this patch. It works. Also thanks to Patrice... but 
> I want to make it easy.
> 
> Now, I would want to know how to reproduce l2s with Vanilla (I'm trying 
> to use only Vanilla).
> 
> ... and there's something else: If I send "playlist" to VLC, the right 
> outlet of [netsend -b] prints the playlist... but one character per 
> print.

[...]

I found the cheapest method to concatenate a stream of atoms to lists is
appending them with 'add2 $1' to a message box. Then you wait for the
message delimiting character ('10' or '13' in this case) to flush the
content of of the message box.

The resulting list can be passed to [list tosymbol]. However, be a aware
that the human-friendly outcome (e.g. 'Now playing: ROTHKO - On the Day
We Said Goodbye') will be a symbol, not a list and can't be parsed
easily with Pd tools. 

Roman


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Re: [PD] [netsend] bug?

[Mario Mey]

I understand this ";" at the end of the message... but I found something 
that I do call bug.


In text-object-help.pd, inside [pd tolist] and [pd fromlist], there's 
this message box:


[this is a message \; this is another 1 ... \;(

Inside the file, it is:

...
#X msg 81 115 list this is a message \\\; this is another 1 ... \\\;
...

When I edit this message box and delete the semicolon with backspace, 
PureData stops responding. Maybe some functions from the menu appears to 
work, but it is freeze.






El 06/05/16 a las 15:08, IOhannes m zmölnig escribió:

On 05/06/2016 02:45 PM, Mario Mey wrote:

The connection is well done, but I discovered that the messages arrives
with a ";" at the end of the message.

this is the format that Pd messages are transmitted in.
it is not a bug, but called FUDI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUDI

both applications (e.g. Pd and VLC) need to speak the same protocol in
order to communicate. to make [netsend] not speak FUDI but any arbitrary
protocol, use the 'raw' mode (as jack has pointed out)

gfmdsar
IOhannes



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Re: [PD] [netsend] bug?

[Mario Mey]

Ok, thanks for clarify!

I get what I was looking for. When I make the patch "nice, clean and 
tidy", I'll post on stackoverflow, where I posted a question.


Thanks everybody!



El 06/05/16 a las 15:08, IOhannes m zmölnig escribió:

On 05/06/2016 02:45 PM, Mario Mey wrote:

The connection is well done, but I discovered that the messages arrives
with a ";" at the end of the message.

this is the format that Pd messages are transmitted in.
it is not a bug, but called FUDI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUDI

both applications (e.g. Pd and VLC) need to speak the same protocol in
order to communicate. to make [netsend] not speak FUDI but any arbitrary
protocol, use the 'raw' mode (as jack has pointed out)

gfmdsar
IOhannes



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[PD] Controlling VLC from PureData Vanilla.

[Mario Mey]

Here is the patch:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/37052150/how-to-control-vlc-from-pd-vanila-0-46-with-native-network-system

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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[michael noble]

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 2:27 AM, Miller Puckette  wrote:

> One caveat: you probably can't sync these together, so you will
> occasionally
> get an audio error on output as Pd 'resyncs' them.  There are various
> ways of working around this.
>

Probably the simplest way under linux is to use Fons Adriaensen's excellent
zita-a2jbridge (
http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org/linuxaudio/zita-ajbridge-doc/quickguide.html)
to expose the additional cards as outputs under jack. This will remove the
need for PD to do any kind of resampling or syncing.
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Re: [PD] Gem via deken?

[Dan Wilcox]

Hrmm I wonder what’s going on? There isn’t any useful error messages or debug 
info telling me why it doesn't load.

have a friend who now cannot teach Pd+Gem right now since Gem plainly doesn’t 
work via deken currently :(


Dan Wilcox
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> On May 6, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Max  wrote:
> 
> No, Gem via deken on OSX never worked for me. Does on Windows and Linux
> without problems though.
> 
> 
> On 2016년 05월 07일 01:11, Dan Wilcox wrote:
>> Has anyone been able to get Gem to load after installing with deken?
>> I’ve tried with the test releases as well as a custom build, setting
>> path and lib at startup, etc and the best I can get is "gemglutwindow
>> could not create”.
>> 
>> This is on OSX. Other externals work fine.
> 

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Re: [PD] Gem via deken?

[Max]

No, Gem via deken on OSX never worked for me. Does on Windows and Linux
without problems though.


On 2016년 05월 07일 01:11, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> Has anyone been able to get Gem to load after installing with deken?
> I’ve tried with the test releases as well as a custom build, setting
> path and lib at startup, etc and the best I can get is "gemglutwindow
> could not create”.
> 
> This is on OSX. Other externals work fine.


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Re: [PD] Gem via deken?

[Dan Wilcox]

Maybe then the issue is more that the deken Gem build doesn’t work for newer 
OSXs.


Dan Wilcox
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danomatika.com 
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> On May 6, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Matt Barber  wrote:
> 
> Hmm. Works for me (OSX 10.9). Here's 0.47 (test1), (I installed Gem via deken 
> a month or so ago).
> 
> I also had another window open with [declare -lib Gem]
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Dan Wilcox  > wrote:
> Hrmm I wonder what’s going on? There isn’t any useful error messages or debug 
> info telling me why it doesn't load.
> 
> have a friend who now cannot teach Pd+Gem right now since Gem plainly doesn’t 
> work via deken currently :(
> 
> 
> Dan Wilcox
> @danomatika 
> danomatika.com 
> robotcowboy.com 
>> On May 6, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Max > > wrote:
>> 
>> No, Gem via deken on OSX never worked for me. Does on Windows and Linux
>> without problems though.
>> 
>> 
>> On 2016년 05월 07일 01:11, Dan Wilcox wrote:
>>> Has anyone been able to get Gem to load after installing with deken?
>>> I’ve tried with the test releases as well as a custom build, setting
>>> path and lib at startup, etc and the best I can get is "gemglutwindow
>>> could not create”.
>>> 
>>> This is on OSX. Other externals work fine.
>> 
> 
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Re: [PD] Gem via deken?

[Max]

I used to start the class by quickly showing how to set up Pd, now I
just say, please open your computers and give me 10 minutes I'll install
that for you. Get Pd, then download deken and install that, download Gem
on OS X, download the missing Deja vu font on Windows...
It's too complicated and will hopefully change some time, but for now I
gave up explaining it.


On 2016년 05월 07일 07:21, Dan Wilcox wrote:
> Hrmm I wonder what’s going on? There isn’t any useful error messages or
> debug info telling me why it doesn't load.
> 
> have a friend who now cannot teach Pd+Gem right now since Gem plainly
> doesn’t work via deken currently :(
> 
> 
> Dan Wilcox
> @danomatika 
> danomatika.com 
> robotcowboy.com 
> 
>> On May 6, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Max > > wrote:
>>
>> No, Gem via deken on OSX never worked for me. Does on Windows and Linux
>> without problems though.
>>
>>
>> On 2016년 05월 07일 01:11, Dan Wilcox wrote:
>>> Has anyone been able to get Gem to load after installing with deken?
>>> I’ve tried with the test releases as well as a custom build, setting
>>> path and lib at startup, etc and the best I can get is "gemglutwindow
>>> could not create”.
>>>
>>> This is on OSX. Other externals work fine.
>>
> 


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Re: [PD] [OT] choice of sound cards for 16 output channels

[Jaime Oliver]

The scarlett 18i20 will get you 10 analog and 8 adat outs. It works with linux, 
but you have to setup the hardware on OS X/windows.

best,

J


> On May 6, 2016, at 4:51 PM, michael noble  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 2:27 AM, Miller Puckette  > wrote:
> One caveat: you probably can't sync these together, so you will occasionally
> get an audio error on output as Pd 'resyncs' them.  There are various
> ways of working around this. 
> 
> Probably the simplest way under linux is to use Fons Adriaensen's excellent 
> zita-a2jbridge 
> (http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org/linuxaudio/zita-ajbridge-doc/quickguide.html
>  
> )
>  to expose the additional cards as outputs under jack. This will remove the 
> need for PD to do any kind of resampling or syncing.
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