[PD] Can Pd rescan MIDI devices while running?

[William Huston]

I've searched the list archives and do not find an answer to this.

Would be nice to be able to plug in a new device
and have Pd see it without exit/restart.

Thanks.

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Re: [PD] Fwd: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - paste from clipboard

[Ivica Bukvic]

Pd-l2Ork supports universal clipboard but is somewhat limited by the Tcl/Tk
idiosyncrasies, like having to start the application and then copying
because the preexisting system clipboard is not actually recognized by the
toolkit. It also supports pasting actual text from the patches into an
existing patch which I suspect is the inverse of what you're speaking of.
However, if you paste something incomplete it may result in a crash for
which I have not figured it a workaround. As a perhaps pointless courtesy,
if you do paste something that compromises Pd-L2Ork,  it will give you one
last message in the console before it crashes and burns and will let you
know what is the reason for the pending crash.

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On Oct 18, 2016 11:44, "Alexandre Torres Porres"  wrote:

>
> 2016-10-18 5:47 GMT-02:00 IOhannes m zmoelnig :
>
>> On 2016-10-18 07:41, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>> > how hard would this be?
>>
>>
>> dropsuite.
>>
>
> that looks great, but the description is not giving me the idea that you
> can paste a text as a pd patch, so it does do it, right?
>
> cheers
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Re: [PD] Fwd: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - paste from clipboard

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

It's a terrible name by the way, it'd make much more sense call it "copy to
clipboard"

You may notice it doesn't have an option in the edit mode to paste the
selection copied clipboard, that happens if you go to file and select "new
from clipboard".

Thus, it only creates a new file. Unlike the feature you have in Purr Data,
which is much better and more powerful. I like a lot, as it allows to copy
to a newly opened file or to a patch already opened and with more stuff in
it.

But I guess a "new from clipboard" could also be a 2nd option, also
convenient, when you want to open a patch from a clipboard instead of a
file.

So yeah, "copy/paste to/from clipboard" in the edit section and maybe also
"new from clipboard" in the file section



by the way, this would make life quite easier for us in the Pd-list, by
copying code into the email and not worry about attachments. This is also
true for forums out there.



About Purr Data, it's cool that you automatically know that it is some code
from the clipboard and you can paste it like anything else. I guess you can
leave it like that, and also add the other options.

The difference in using  "paste from clipboard" is that it wouldn't give
you any warning (maybe add a shortcut too?).

cheers

2016-10-18 19:13 GMT-02:00 Alexandre Torres Porres :

>
>
> 2016-10-18 18:46 GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes :
>
>> Oh, so you want to be able to copy an arbitrary selection in a patch to
>> the clipboard.
>>
>> I believe that's doable.
>>
>
>
> yep, it could be the whole patch as well if you had done "select all"
> before
>
> That feature in max is actually called "copy compress", in the edit mode,
> it copies a selection to the clipboard. See attachment
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Re: [PD] Fwd: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - paste from clipboard

[Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list]

Oh, so you want to be able to copy an arbitrary selection in a patch to the 
clipboard.
I believe that's doable.
-Jonathan




  From: Alexandre Torres Porres 
 To: Miller Puckette  
Cc: Jonathan Wilkes ; "pd-list@lists.iem.at" 

 Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 3:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [PD] Fwd: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - paste 
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2016-10-18 15:50 GMT-02:00 Miller Puckette :

i like this idea a lot.  Among other things it would let us copy-paste patches
between different instances of Pd. 

wow, I hadn't thought of that, that is actually brilliant and I face this 
problem quite often by the way.
Like, copying something from extended to vanilla, but also from different 
instances of vanilla. Now with Purr Data we could make it so that copying parts 
of patches between them quite easily.
It would require just two new edit options, "copy to clipboard" and "paste from 
clipboard", maybe also accessible via a secondary click
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Re: [PD] Fwd: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - paste from clipboard

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

2016-10-18 15:28 GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes :

> Can't you just select all of the pd file in a text editor?
>

sure we can, but it'd be more convenient ;)
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Re: [PD] Fwd: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - paste from clipboard

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

2016-10-18 15:50 GMT-02:00 Miller Puckette :

> i like this idea a lot.  Among other things it would let us copy-paste
> patches
> between different instances of Pd.


wow, I hadn't thought of that, that is actually brilliant and I face this
problem quite often by the way.

Like, copying something from extended to vanilla, but also from different
instances of vanilla. Now with Purr Data we could make it so that copying
parts of patches between them quite easily.

It would require just two new edit options, "copy to clipboard" and "paste
from clipboard", maybe also accessible via a secondary click

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Re: [PD] Fwd: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - paste from clipboard

[Miller Puckette]

i like this idea a lot.  Among other things it would let us copy-paste patches
between different instances of Pd.  I had imagined having Pd's own copy/paste
"type" but actually just using text and having Pd "consider" it as a patch
fragment for copy/paste operations is brilliant.

M

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 05:28:14PM +, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:
> > how about selecting a patch and copying it into the clipboard as text?
> 
> 
> I don't think we have that feature.
> 
> > this is really handy for sharing patch as texts on facebook and things like 
> > that
> Can't you just select all of the pd file in a text editor?
> -Jonathan
> 
> 2016-10-18 13:38 GMT-02:00 Alexandre Torres Porres :
> 
> awesome :)
> 2016-10-18 13:22 GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list :
> 
> FYI: works in Pd-l2ork and Purr Data.  Select some pd file text, and then 
> paste in a patch window.  (Purr Data 
> gives confirmation prompt just to keep you from shooting yourself in the 
> foot.)
> 
> 
>   From: patrice colet 
>  To: pd-list@lists.iem.at 
>  Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:17 AM
>  Subject: Re: [PD] Fwd: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - 
> paste from clipboard
>   
> or just writing a plugin would do the trick
> 
> http://wiki.tcl.tk/1423
> 
> 
> Le 18/10/2016 à 07:41, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
> > how hard would this be?
> >
> > maybe purr data?
> >
> > cheers
> >
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> > Date: 2016-10-18 3:03 GMT-02:00
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> > request - paste from clipboard*
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> > *Status:* open
> > *Group:* v0.47
> > *Created:* Tue Oct 18, 2016 05:03 AM UTC by Anonymous
> > *Last Updated:* Tue Oct 18, 2016 05:03 AM UTC
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> > really hoping for a "copy compress" / "paste from clipboard" thing 
> > like in max
> > thanks
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Re: [PD] Fwd: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - paste from clipboard

[Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list]

> how about selecting a patch and copying it into the clipboard as text?


I don't think we have that feature.

> this is really handy for sharing patch as texts on facebook and things like 
> that
Can't you just select all of the pd file in a text editor?
-Jonathan

2016-10-18 13:38 GMT-02:00 Alexandre Torres Porres :

awesome :)
2016-10-18 13:22 GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list :

FYI: works in Pd-l2ork and Purr Data.  Select some pd file text, and then paste 
in a patch window.  (Purr Data 
gives confirmation prompt just to keep you from shooting yourself in the foot.)


  From: patrice colet 
 To: pd-list@lists.iem.at 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [PD] Fwd: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - paste 
from clipboard
  
or just writing a plugin would do the trick

http://wiki.tcl.tk/1423


Le 18/10/2016 à 07:41, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
> how hard would this be?
>
> maybe purr data?
>
> cheers
>
> -- Forwarded message --
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> Date: 2016-10-18 3:03 GMT-02:00
> Subject: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - paste from 
> clipboard
> To: pd-...@lists.iem.at 
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> *[bugs:#1273]  feature 
> request - paste from clipboard*
>
> *Status:* open
> *Group:* v0.47
> *Created:* Tue Oct 18, 2016 05:03 AM UTC by Anonymous
> *Last Updated:* Tue Oct 18, 2016 05:03 AM UTC
> *Owner:* Miller Puckette
>
> really hoping for a "copy compress" / "paste from clipboard" thing 
> like in max
> thanks
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Re: [PD] Fwd: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - paste from clipboard

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

2016-10-18 5:47 GMT-02:00 IOhannes m zmoelnig :

> On 2016-10-18 07:41, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> > how hard would this be?
>
>
> dropsuite.
>

that looks great, but the description is not giving me the idea that you
can paste a text as a pd patch, so it does do it, right?

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Re: [PD] Fwd: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - paste from clipboard

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

how about selecting a patch and copying it into the clipboard as text?

this is really handy for sharing patch as texts on facebook and things like
that

2016-10-18 13:38 GMT-02:00 Alexandre Torres Porres :

> awesome :)
>
> 2016-10-18 13:22 GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list <
> pd-list@lists.iem.at>:
>
>> FYI: works in Pd-l2ork and Purr Data.  Select some pd file text, and then
>> paste in a patch window.  (Purr Data
>> gives confirmation prompt just to keep you from shooting yourself in the
>> foot.)
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* patrice colet 
>> *To:* pd-list@lists.iem.at
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:17 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [PD] Fwd: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request
>> - paste from clipboard
>>
>> or just writing a plugin would do the trick
>>
>> http://wiki.tcl.tk/1423
>>
>>
>> Le 18/10/2016 à 07:41, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
>> > how hard would this be?
>> >
>> > maybe purr data?
>> >
>> > cheers
>> >
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>> > >
>> > Date: 2016-10-18 3:03 GMT-02:00
>> > Subject: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - paste from
>> > clipboard
>> > To: pd-...@lists.iem.at 
>> >
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>> > *[bugs:#1273]  feature
>> > request - paste from clipboard*
>> >
>> > *Status:* open
>> > *Group:* v0.47
>> > *Created:* Tue Oct 18, 2016 05:03 AM UTC by Anonymous
>> > *Last Updated:* Tue Oct 18, 2016 05:03 AM UTC
>> > *Owner:* Miller Puckette
>> >
>> > really hoping for a "copy compress" / "paste from clipboard" thing
>> > like in max
>> > thanks
>> >
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Re: [PD] Fwd: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - paste from clipboard

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

awesome :)

2016-10-18 13:22 GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list :

> FYI: works in Pd-l2ork and Purr Data.  Select some pd file text, and then
> paste in a patch window.  (Purr Data
> gives confirmation prompt just to keep you from shooting yourself in the
> foot.)
>
>
> --
> *From:* patrice colet 
> *To:* pd-list@lists.iem.at
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:17 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [PD] Fwd: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request
> - paste from clipboard
>
> or just writing a plugin would do the trick
>
> http://wiki.tcl.tk/1423
>
>
> Le 18/10/2016 à 07:41, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
> > how hard would this be?
> >
> > maybe purr data?
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
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> > >
> > Date: 2016-10-18 3:03 GMT-02:00
> > Subject: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - paste from
> > clipboard
> > To: pd-...@lists.iem.at 
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > *[bugs:#1273]  feature
> > request - paste from clipboard*
> >
> > *Status:* open
> > *Group:* v0.47
> > *Created:* Tue Oct 18, 2016 05:03 AM UTC by Anonymous
> > *Last Updated:* Tue Oct 18, 2016 05:03 AM UTC
> > *Owner:* Miller Puckette
> >
> > really hoping for a "copy compress" / "paste from clipboard" thing
> > like in max
> > thanks
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Re: [PD] Fwd: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - paste from clipboard

[Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list]

FYI: works in Pd-l2ork and Purr Data.  Select some pd file text, and then paste 
in a patch window.  (Purr Data 
gives confirmation prompt just to keep you from shooting yourself in the foot.)


  From: patrice colet 
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 Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [PD] Fwd: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - paste 
from clipboard
   
or just writing a plugin would do the trick

http://wiki.tcl.tk/1423


Le 18/10/2016 à 07:41, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
> how hard would this be?
>
> maybe purr data?
>
> cheers
>
> -- Forwarded message --
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> Date: 2016-10-18 3:03 GMT-02:00
> Subject: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - paste from 
> clipboard
> To: pd-...@lists.iem.at 
>
>
> 
>
> *[bugs:#1273]  feature 
> request - paste from clipboard*
>
> *Status:* open
> *Group:* v0.47
> *Created:* Tue Oct 18, 2016 05:03 AM UTC by Anonymous
> *Last Updated:* Tue Oct 18, 2016 05:03 AM UTC
> *Owner:* Miller Puckette
>
> really hoping for a "copy compress" / "paste from clipboard" thing 
> like in max
> thanks
>
> 
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Re: [PD] drag and drop a filename

[patrice colet]

Le 18/10/2016 à 16:14, oliver a écrit :
you drop a file onto a window (or even better: a specific spot) and 
get the filename as a symbol from an outlet or a receive object ? 


Wouldn't it be better if the dragged filename can be dropped directly 
onto the object requiring a filename symbol?


There already is a dnd object in ix extensions but I think it's obsolete 
now.


I would also expect a dnd behavior from GUI objects like 
unauthorized/playlist
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Re: [PD] Fwd: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - paste from clipboard

[oliver]

IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

On 2016-10-18 07:41, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:

how hard would this be?



dropsuite.




that would be "text-onto-patch-plugin.tcl", right ?

i put that into PD's extra folder (just like i did with the working 
"drop-patch-plugin.tcl") and get the following error message in the pd 
console:



UNHANDLED ERROR: invalid command name ""
("uplevel" body line 5)
invoked from within
"uplevel #0 $tclcode"
FAILED TO LOAD D:/pd_0.47/extra/text-onto-patch-plugin.tcl


(WIN 7, PD 0.47.1)



thanks for any hint

best

oliver

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Re: [PD] Fwd: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - paste from clipboard

[patrice colet]

or just writing a plugin would do the trick

http://wiki.tcl.tk/1423


Le 18/10/2016 à 07:41, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :

how hard would this be?

maybe purr data?

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*Status:* open
*Group:* v0.47
*Created:* Tue Oct 18, 2016 05:03 AM UTC by Anonymous
*Last Updated:* Tue Oct 18, 2016 05:03 AM UTC
*Owner:* Miller Puckette

really hoping for a "copy compress" / "paste from clipboard" thing 
like in max

thanks



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[PD] drag and drop a filename

[oliver]

hi,

since IOhannes just mentioned "dropsuite"

has there ever been a sort of classic "drag and drop" feature for useage 
inside patches ?


like:

you drop a file onto a window (or even better: a specific spot) and get 
the filename as a symbol from an outlet or a receive object ?


that would make f.e. soundfile loading sooo much nicer and easier


i know about (and successfully use) dropsuites plugins but right now 
it's only two of them and (at least to my understanding) they can not do 
this.


best

oliver

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Re: [PD] on android to root n linux or not

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

On 2016-10-18 10:40, Billy Stiltner wrote:
> not sure what OS it can be used with, maybe there is a debian package for
> it?

yes, isc-dhcp-server is the standard professional¹ DHCP server in Debian.

fgmasdr
IOhannes

¹ to be deployed in realworld networks; and as opposed to adhoc
solutions like dnsmasq



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[PD] [PD-announce] Sounding Out The Space Conference

[Kerry Hagan]

SOUNDING OUT THE SPACE: AN INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON THE SPATIALITY OF SOUND


Date: 2–4 November 2017
Location: Dublin School of Creative Arts, DIT Grangegorman Campus
Organisers: DIT Conservatory of Music and Drama, Dublin School of
Creative Arts, GradCAM
Partners: Contemporary Music Centre, Irish Sound Science and Technology 
Association, Lewis Glucksman Gallery, Society for Musicology in Ireland, 
Solstice Gallery, Spatial Music Collective

Conference website: soundingout2017.com 

Keynote Speakers:
Brandon LaBelle – artist, writer and theorist (Bergan Academy of Art and Design)
Bill Fontana – American artist and composer


Sound is an inherently spatial phenomenon. No matter what its point of
origin, be it a musical instrument, a voice, an audio speaker, or
another sound-producing entity, sound must navigate space before
reaching our ears. On this journey it enters into a complex relational
dynamic with the surrounding environment: it may be amplified,
distorted, reverberated, dissipated and subject to a multitude of
transformations which modify it in different ways. While this dynamic
is an intrinsic part of any sonic event, certain artistic endeavours
have sought to exploit this spatial aspect of sound as a distinct
parameter in its own right. Though spatial experiments have a long
history in western music stretching back centuries, the search for
novel means of expression in the twentieth century led to an
unprecedented investigation into the spatiality of sound as an
integral component of the work. From Edgard Varèse’s Poème
électronique to Karlheinz Stockhausen’s Helicopter String Quartet,
such concerns have been at the centre of some of the canonic works of
musical modernism. In the discipline of sound art, auditory dialogues
with the surrounding space have been the defining feature of sound
installations by Max Neuhaus, Bernhard Leitner, Maryanne Amacher and
others, who have sought to locate sound in relation to architecture.
While such work grew out of developments in the wider field of art
installation, increasingly the practices of both sound and art
installation have converged in the work of artists such as Janet
Cardiff and Zimoun forming multi-sensory experiences. Expanding
outwards, the multi-site sound installations of Bill Fontana have
developed the notion of spatiality across geographical locations while
recent innovations in communication and digital technologies have
created virtual networks, redefining our conception of space and
presenting new possibilities for music, sound art and visual art.

Although substantial research on the spatiality of sound has been
carried out within the disciplines of musicology, sound art, and
visual art studies, much of this work has remained separate, enclosed
within these specialised fields of research. This conference aims to
address this imbalance, acknowledging the fluid exchange of ideas
between these spheres in actual practice and fostering an
interdisciplinary spirit amongst researchers and practitioners. The
conference committee thus invites presentations from sound artists,
visual artists, composers, academics, and post-graduate researchers
which consider the spatiality of sound in all its diverse forms. While
the conference remit is broad, the committee especially encourages
contributions which address (but need not be limited by) the following
three strands:

• Sound and Visual Art
‒Contributions from Sound Artists/Visual Artists
‒Convergences between Sound and Visual Art
‒Historical Perspectives
‒Installation
‒Modes of Listening
‒Sound Architectures

• Spatial Music
‒Analytical Accounts
‒Attempts at Definition/Theorisation
‒Composer Perspectives
‒History of Spatial Music
‒Listener Perception
‒Performance Challenges
‒The Role of Sound Technologies

• Geographic and Virtual Spaces
‒Digital Networks and Communications Technologies
‒Live Streaming and Web-cast
‒Interactivity and Participation


Proposals are invited in the following formats:

•Individual Papers (20 mins duration plus 10 mins discussion)
•Joint Papers (max 2 speakers, same format as above)
•Themed Sessions (3 papers totalling 90 mins or 4 papers totalling 120 mins)
•Panel and Roundtable Discussions (90 mins, max 6 speakers)

Proposals for individual and joint papers must be in the form of an
abstract not exceeding 250 words. Proposals for themed sessions,
panels and roundtable discussions should not be more than 800 words
and should indicate the number and title of each individual paper with
its abstract. Abstracts may be submitted in either a Microsoft Word
document or via a PDF attachment. All proposals should include the
name, contact details, institutional affiliation (if any), technical
requirements, as well as a short biographical note of not more than
100 words of each speaker. The conference language is English.
Proposals should be submitted to soundingout2...@gmail.com 


All proposals will be subject 

Re: [PD] on android to root n linux or not

[Billy Stiltner]

re:  free dhcp server
https://www.isc.org/downloads/
found in freebsd docs
not sure what OS it can be used with, maybe there is a debian package for
it?
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Re: [PD] could vanilla borrow iemlib's hi pass filter recipe?

[cyrille henry]

Le 18/10/2016 à 00:47, katja a écrit :

The filter recipe that Christof pointed to was easy to plug into the C
code of [hip~] and works perfectly. But when looking further in
d_filter.c I came across an approximation function 'sigbp_qcos()' used
in the bandpass filter. It made me realize once more how passionate
Miller is about efficiency. I'm not going to make a fool of myself by
submitting a 'fix' using two trig functions to calculate a filter
coefficient when a simple approximation could do the job. So that is
what I'm now looking into, with help of a math friend: an efficient
polynomial approximation for (1-sin(x))/cos(x).

according to libre office linear regression, for x between 0 and Pi, 
(1-sin(x))/cos(x) is about :
-0.057255x³ + 0.27018x² - 0.9157x + 0.99344

the calc is in attachment, if you want to tune the input source or precision.
cheers
c




Katja

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 4:59 PM, katja  wrote:

Thanks for your pointers Christof. The recipe you mention from
arpchord.com is different than iemlib's, but yields identical
normalization and feedback coefficients, thus the same beautiful
response. As you say, what's in the textbooks is common knowledge and
can be used by everyone. Now I'll try to get the same result in C.

By the way, [iemlib/hp~] seems to recalculate coefficients for every
dsp vector which explains the higher CPU load.

Katja

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Christof Ressi  wrote:

If iemlib's license allows to use the recipe in BSD


IMHO, the correct formular for the cutoff frequency below (which I guess is 
also used in [hp1~] since the frequency response is the same) is 'common 
knowledge', so I don't think you'd have to pay attention to any licence.



Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Oktober 2016 um 13:52 Uhr
Von: "Christof Ressi" 
An: katja , "Miller Puckette" 
Cc: pd-list 
Betreff: Re: [PD] could vanilla borrow iemlib's hi pass filter recipe?


But coefficients aren't recalculated so
often, therefore this difference will be negligible.


That's a good point. You're right that both involve a feedback and feedforward, 
so I'm wondering why [hp1~] needs more CPU... otherwise, iemlib's filters are 
very efficient.

Anyway, I researched a bit and found the reason why the frequency response of 
Pd filters seems 'wrong':

Miller uses a formular for calculating the cutoff frequency which is taken from 
analog filters but is not really adequate for digital filters since it doesn't 
reflect the cyclic nature of the digital domain (although you can see it in 
some articles on digital filters).

Let's take [hip~] as an example:

the formular for a 1-pole 1-zero highpass goes:
y[n] = (x[n] - x[n-1]) * (1 + k) / 2   +   k * y[n-1]

Miller calculates the position of the pole with
k = 1 - (fc * 2*pi / SR).

The correct formular, however (if you want the frequency response to be zero at 
Nyquist!), would be
k = (1-sin(a))/cos(a), where a = fc * 2*pi / SR.

You can find it here: 
http://www.arpchord.com/pdf/coeffs_first_order_filters_0p1.pdf

BTW, the reason why [hip~] seems to get stuck at 7018 Hz is because Miller 
clips the coefficient below 0, so it never reaches -1 (where the gain would be 
all zero).

Also, there is another approximation with a similiar behaviour, which goes like 
this:
k = e^(-2*pi*fc/SR). I could find it here: http://www.dspguide.com/ch19/2.htm
Here, the pole can only move from 1 to 0 and doesn't ever reach -1 as well.

Now, is the behaviour of [hip~] 'wrong'?
If you define at 1-pole 1-zero high pass filter as something which passes 
everything at fc = DC and blocks everything at fc = Nyquist, then I'd say yes.
If it should roughly model an analogue filter (where the cutoff frequency can 
go up to infinity) for low cutoff frequencies only, then I'd say no.

Also, as I tried to point out, this issue with the cutoff frequency is true for 
all Pd filters!

So I think this behaviour should either be changed (great, if Katja is willing 
to submit a patch!) or documented in the help patch (gain is not 0 at Nyquist!).

I'm not an engineer or any expert on filter design. It's just my two cents :-)

Christof






Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Oktober 2016 um 11:39 Uhr
Von: katja 
An: "Christof Ressi" 
Cc: pd-list 
Betreff: Re: [PD] could vanilla borrow iemlib's hi pass filter recipe?

I'm pretty confident [hip~] would not loose its efficiency when using
iemlib's recipe. Both hi pass filters have a feed forward and feedback
component, with coefficients for normalization and feedback.
Calculation of these coefficients is a bit more involved with iemlib's
recipe, using trig functions. But coefficients aren't recalculated so
often, therefore this difference will be negligible.

To reassure, it is not my intention to spark another 'what's wrong
with pd' thread. If iemlib's license allows to use the recipe 

Re: [PD] Fwd: [PD-dev] [pure-data:bugs] #1273 feature request - paste from clipboard

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

On 2016-10-18 07:41, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> how hard would this be?


dropsuite.

fgmasdr
IOhannes




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Re: [PD] [mtof~] !!!

[Billy Stiltner]

xensynth
http://archive.org/details/xensynth
has abstractioins [ntof] and [ntof~]
which are not bound to the midi 100 cent interval
intervals can be set with a list message in frequency ratio format
xensynth can load scala .scl tuning files and when a .scl file is
loaded it sends the interval list to all the ntof and ntof interval
arrays.
ntof was based on xtof  , memory of original xtof library name escapes me
at the moment.
i do remember the xtof version i had didnt work with non octave tunings so
i rewrote the patch to work with non octave tunings and added the audio
rate version
seems like the differences in the control and audio versions might have
been
[mod] and [%~] or % in an expr~
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