Re: [PD] suggestion: $0 in messages
>From patching I know that it would be far more convenient to be able to >reference the patch-local $0 variable in messages. Perhaps in that case there should also be a [selector] object that reports the selector of a message? getting it using [route] seems unnecessarily complicated.. On the other hand, having $0 represent the selector would be the most consistent solution, because you can not get other patch-local variables or arguments in message boxes, and yet you can use $1 $2 etc. to refer to the elements of an incoming message. So the behavior of dollar signs in object boxes and message boxes is already separate and have very different uses. It almost would seem more confusing to be the same for just 1 of the dollar sign numbers, yet different for all the others. -Seb -Original Message- From: Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list To: pd-list ; Roman Haefeli Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2018 1:00 am Subject: Re: [PD] suggestion: $0 in messages > Why is nobody complaining about not being able to use the third > creation argument directly withing a message? What's the fuzz about the > $0? $0 isn't part of the argument vector. It's a unique id automatically generated for a patch/abstraction which the user happens to access through a dollarsign variable. That locality hack doesn't require that the unique id be fetched by an unused dollarsign arg. For example, you could reserve the keyword "let" such that a message box with "let token2" would get converted behind the scenes to "1003-token2". When users for a decade have said they wanted $0 in msg boxes, they mean that they want to use Pd's notion of send-symbol locality inside message boxes. They want that instead of manually querying the value of a reserved dollarsign variable and sending that value to the relevant message box in order to get "let" behavior. Also, since "$0" is already being used for this purpose it doesn't make much sense to try to also get "$0" to refer to the selector. You'd end up with inconsistent meaning where it fetches the selector in msg boxes but not in object boxes. Plus you can already get the selector of an incoming message with [list] whereas you cannot get an abstraction's selector (which would be handy for error reporting). So adding that inconsistency would only duplicate existing functionality without adding new functionality. -Jonathan > Roman ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___pd-l...@lists.iem.at mailing listUNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD on a Rasberry Pi
Hey Jackson On Mit, 2018-04-04 at 14:58 +, jackson re-al wrote: > Someone reached out earlier to see if anyone had experience running > PD on a Pi. > > If anyone here could help out then please give me a shout - It would > be much appreciated. What OS is running on the RPi? Some more info about what you have and what exactly you want to do would be nice. If it's a Raspbian: sudo apt install puredata Roman signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD on a Rasberry Pi
i do what's going on? Patrick Pagano B.S, M.F.A Assistant Professor in Residence Digital Media & Design Web & Interactive Technologies UCONN ECE Faculty Coordinator University of Connecticut, Stamford (352)-226-2016 From: Pd-list on behalf of jackson re-al Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 10:58:11 AM To: pd-list@lists.iem.at Subject: [PD] PD on a Rasberry Pi Hi all, Someone reached out earlier to see if anyone had experience running PD on a Pi. If anyone here could help out then please give me a shout - It would be much appreciated. Regards, Jackson ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] PD on a Rasberry Pi
Hi all, Someone reached out earlier to see if anyone had experience running PD on a Pi. If anyone here could help out then please give me a shout - It would be much appreciated. Regards, Jackson ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] ofelia v1.0.6 released
Hi, importing vector images is not currently possible in ofelia. I will add the "SVG loader" to ofelia soon.(hopefully within this month) I added it to the upcoming features list. :) Thanks! Zack 2018-04-04 16:58 GMT+09:00 Py Fave : > and for ofelia, is it possible to import vector images, like svg ? > > Thanks > > py > > 2018-04-04 9:56 GMT+02:00 Py Fave : > >> Hi, >> >> ahh i need a head update . >> >> >> where is puredata/gem for raspberry pi? >> i need an easy way, is there any distribution of it? >> i am willing to do some workshop, but have a very short time and need >> something working "out of the box.", >> to try first. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Pierre-Yves >> >> 2018-03-30 14:42 GMT+02:00 Zack Lee : >> >>> Hi, I'm planning to build ofelia for Raspberry Pi after the stable >>> release of openFrameworks 0.10.0 because the current 0.9.8 version which >>> ofelia uses is not compatible with Raspbian Stretch. >>> >>> It will probably compile and run on Jessie but I don't think it's worth >>> it since most people use Stretch these days. >>> >>> So please wait for a few months. I think openFrameworks 0.10.0 is >>> almost ready for the stable release. :) >>> >>> >>> Zack >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 09:31:12 +0200 >>> From: Py Fave >>> To: PDlist >>> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] ofelia v1.0.6 released >>> Message-ID: >>> >> ail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> would it work on a raspberry pi? >>> >>> without full opengl but gl es ? >>> >>> because gem can't use these boards, it would be very useful. >>> >> >> > ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [list] example3.pd crash on Pd-0.48.1 / Linux
I already did a PR to fix this (on other) [list store] related bugs in the documentation: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/323 > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 04. April 2018 um 10:26 Uhr > Von: "Roman Haefeli" > An: pd-list@lists.iem.at > Betreff: Re: [PD] [list] example3.pd crash on Pd-0.48.1 / Linux > > On Mit, 2018-04-04 at 02:52 +0900, Jonghyun Kim wrote: > > Hi list, > > > > The problematic patch is: > > > > pd/doc/5.reference/example3.pd > > It's actually in the help of [list] in the serializer example. > > > this patch only crashed on 0.48.1. It's ok on old version of Pd. > > > > I don't know why? > > It's a bug in the documentation. [list store] understands the 'get' > method, but not the 'range' method, it seems. I guess this was changed > somewhere along the development of [list store] and was forgotten to > adjust in the serializing example. > > Change the message box to 'get $1 1' and it works. > > Since you discovered this you might want to file a bug report about > this (unless Miller reads it here anyway). > > > Roman > > ___ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [list] example3.pd crash on Pd-0.48.1 / Linux
On 2018-04-04 10:26, Roman Haefeli wrote: > On Mit, 2018-04-04 at 02:52 +0900, Jonghyun Kim wrote: >> Hi list, >> >> The problematic patch is: >> >> pd/doc/5.reference/example3.pd > > It's actually in the help of [list] in the serializer example. > >> this patch only crashed on 0.48.1. It's ok on old version of Pd. >> >> I don't know why? > > It's a bug in the documentation. [list store] understands the 'get' > method, but not the 'range' method, it seems. I guess this was changed > somewhere along the development of [list store] and was forgotten to > adjust in the serializing example. > > Change the message box to 'get $1 1' and it works. > > Since you discovered this you might want to file a bug report about > this (unless Miller reads it here anyway). the change seems to have been on purpose [ec179065]. but it seems that the help-patch has not been updated accordingly. afaict, there has neever been any Pd-release that included the "range" message (although some test releases - 0.48test1,2,3 - did include it) btw, the bug can be pretty easily found when running Pd from the cmdline, printing to stderr: ``` $ pd -stderr [...] error: list store: no method for 'range' ``` the Pd-console is imply to slow to keep up with posting the errors (and eventually will crash, because it safes all the error messages and in case of an infinite loop it will exhaust all available memory; i think this is far more serious bug) [ec179065] https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/commit/ec179065b925c253355d0b4debc5cc4a49615d89 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [list] example3.pd crash on Pd-0.48.1 / Linux
On Mit, 2018-04-04 at 02:52 +0900, Jonghyun Kim wrote: > Hi list, > > The problematic patch is: > > pd/doc/5.reference/example3.pd It's actually in the help of [list] in the serializer example. > this patch only crashed on 0.48.1. It's ok on old version of Pd. > > I don't know why? It's a bug in the documentation. [list store] understands the 'get' method, but not the 'range' method, it seems. I guess this was changed somewhere along the development of [list store] and was forgotten to adjust in the serializing example. Change the message box to 'get $1 1' and it works. Since you discovered this you might want to file a bug report about this (unless Miller reads it here anyway). Roman signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Gem on RPi (was Re: [PD-announce] ofelia v1.0.6 released)
On 2018-04-04 10:17, Py Fave wrote: > i can type that. > > what is the distribution it will work on best? anything Debian based. (e.g. raspbian). i doubt that a single derivative distribution puts extra love in any of the Pd-related packages and that all just take the packages directly from Debian. fgamdrs IOhannes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] ofelia v1.0.6 released
i can type that. what is the distribution it will work on best? and by the way, what does fgamdrs mean/stands for? have a nice day py 2018-04-04 10:04 GMT+02:00 IOhannes m zmoelnig : > On 2018-04-04 09:56, Py Fave wrote: > > Hi, > > > > ahh i need a head update . > > > > > > where is puredata/gem for raspberry pi? > > i need an easy way, is there any distribution of it? > > i am willing to do some workshop, but have a very short time and need > > something working "out of the box.", > > to try first. > > # apt-get install gem > > i cannot possible think of anything more out-of-the-box short of > lobbying the rpi foundation to include Pd+Gem on their images. > > fgamdrs > IOhannes > > > ___ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/ > listinfo/pd-list > > ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [list] example3.pd crash on Pd-0.48.1 / Linux
On 2018-04-03 19:52, Jonghyun Kim wrote: > I don't know why? please fix the fan-out beforehand :-) fgamsdr IOhannes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] ofelia v1.0.6 released
On 2018-04-04 09:56, Py Fave wrote: > Hi, > > ahh i need a head update . > > > where is puredata/gem for raspberry pi? > i need an easy way, is there any distribution of it? > i am willing to do some workshop, but have a very short time and need > something working "out of the box.", > to try first. # apt-get install gem i cannot possible think of anything more out-of-the-box short of lobbying the rpi foundation to include Pd+Gem on their images. fgamdrs IOhannes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] jit_expr 0.1.1 for osx 10.10+: just in time compiled expr family clones
jit_expr is a clone of the pure data expr/expr~/fexpr~ objects. It just-in-time compiles its expressions so they should be much more optimized than the original. If all works as designed, they should use less CPU than the equivalent vanilla, non-expr, patching and have a significant CPU advantage over the original expr objects. This release has no functional difference with the previous 0.1 release, and there is no update needed for Linux. All this does is support more versions of Mac OsX. The 0.1 release was built for 10.13. Thanks go to Marco Matteo Markidis for doing this compilation! I've put the external, compiled for 64-bit Mac-OS 10.10+, up on deken: in pd, go to help menu, find externals, search for "jit_expr", click on the 0.1.1 version to install. Unfortunately it shows up below 0.1 in the current implementation of "find externals" but an update has already been implemented for that for the future. Please report any issues here: https://github.com/x37v/jit-expr/issues I would still love help building Windows and 32-bit Linux versions of the externals. The source code can be found in the git repo: https://github.com/x37v/jit-expr -Alex Norman ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] ofelia v1.0.6 released
and for ofelia, is it possible to import vector images, like svg ? Thanks py 2018-04-04 9:56 GMT+02:00 Py Fave : > Hi, > > ahh i need a head update . > > > where is puredata/gem for raspberry pi? > i need an easy way, is there any distribution of it? > i am willing to do some workshop, but have a very short time and need > something working "out of the box.", > to try first. > > Thanks. > > Pierre-Yves > > 2018-03-30 14:42 GMT+02:00 Zack Lee : > >> Hi, I'm planning to build ofelia for Raspberry Pi after the stable >> release of openFrameworks 0.10.0 because the current 0.9.8 version which >> ofelia uses is not compatible with Raspbian Stretch. >> >> It will probably compile and run on Jessie but I don't think it's worth >> it since most people use Stretch these days. >> >> So please wait for a few months. I think openFrameworks 0.10.0 is almost >> ready for the stable release. :) >> >> >> Zack >> >> >> >> --- >> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 09:31:12 +0200 >> From: Py Fave >> To: PDlist >> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] ofelia v1.0.6 released >> Message-ID: >> > ail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> would it work on a raspberry pi? >> >> without full opengl but gl es ? >> >> because gem can't use these boards, it would be very useful. >> > > ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] ofelia v1.0.6 released
Hi, ahh i need a head update . where is puredata/gem for raspberry pi? i need an easy way, is there any distribution of it? i am willing to do some workshop, but have a very short time and need something working "out of the box.", to try first. Thanks. Pierre-Yves 2018-03-30 14:42 GMT+02:00 Zack Lee : > Hi, I'm planning to build ofelia for Raspberry Pi after the stable release > of openFrameworks 0.10.0 because the current 0.9.8 version which ofelia > uses is not compatible with Raspbian Stretch. > > It will probably compile and run on Jessie but I don't think it's worth it > since most people use Stretch these days. > > So please wait for a few months. I think openFrameworks 0.10.0 is almost > ready for the stable release. :) > > > Zack > > > > --- > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 09:31:12 +0200 > From: Py Fave > To: PDlist > Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] ofelia v1.0.6 released > Message-ID: > ail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > would it work on a raspberry pi? > > without full opengl but gl es ? > > because gem can't use these boards, it would be very useful. > ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] suggestion: $0 in messages
> Why is nobody complaining about not being able to use the third > creation > argument directly withing a message? What's the fuzz about the > $0? $0 isn't part of the argument vector. It's a unique id automatically generated for a patch/abstraction which the user happens to access through a dollarsign variable. That locality hack doesn't require that the unique id be fetched by an unused dollarsign arg. For example, you could reserve the keyword "let" such that a message box with "let token2" would get converted behind the scenes to "1003-token2". When users for a decade have said they wanted $0 in msg boxes, they mean that they want to use Pd's notion of send-symbol locality inside message boxes. They want that instead of manually querying the value of a reserved dollarsign variable and sending that value to the relevant message box in order to get "let" behavior. Also, since "$0" is already being used for this purpose it doesn't make much sense to try to also get "$0" to refer to the selector. You'd end up with inconsistent meaning where it fetches the selector in msg boxes but not in object boxes. Plus you can already get the selector of an incoming message with [list] whereas you cannot get an abstraction's selector (which would be handy for error reporting). So adding that inconsistency would only duplicate existing functionality without adding new functionality. -Jonathan > Roman___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [list] example3.pd crash on Pd-0.48.1 / Linux
Hi list, The problematic patch is: pd/doc/5.reference/example3.pd it hangs when it started. == Error log: $ pd pd-hangs-serialize.pd watchdog: signaling pd... watchdog: signaling pd... *max size for a Tcl value (2147483647 bytes) exceeded* watchdog: signaling pd... watchdog: signaling pd... *Aborted (core dumped)* watchdog: signaling pd... watchdog: signaling pd... ^CPd: signal 2 kim@computer:~/$ == this patch only crashed on 0.48.1. It's ok on old version of Pd. I don't know why? #N canvas 721 528 651 481 10; #X obj 134 433 print; #X obj 122 318 until; #X msg 148 262 1 2 3 4 a b c; #X text 95 128 example 3: serializing a message without delays; #X text 82 161 The "until" object can be used as shown to iterate through all the items of a list.; #X text 285 217 <- click to test; #X text 250 245 First store list \, then start the loop; #X text 225 269 "until" bangs its output until told to stop by a "bang" to its right inlet.; #X text 230 330 Store the remaining list.; #X obj 135 401 list store; #X obj 148 285 t b b l; #X obj 122 343 f; #X obj 160 344 + 1; #X msg 174 318 0, f 2; #X msg 121 372 range \$1 1; #X text 147 54 /usr/local/lib/pd/doc/5.reference/example3.pd; #X text 70 29 TEST; #X obj 104 203 loadbang; #X obj 104 224 delay 1000; #X connect 1 0 11 0; #X connect 2 0 10 0; #X connect 9 0 0 0; #X connect 9 1 1 1; #X connect 10 0 1 0; #X connect 10 1 13 0; #X connect 10 2 9 1; #X connect 11 0 12 0; #X connect 11 0 14 0; #X connect 12 0 11 1; #X connect 13 0 11 1; #X connect 14 0 9 0; #X connect 17 0 18 0; #X connect 18 0 2 0; ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
