Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.50-0 test1 released
Miller, hope you catch this on time, there's a new revision of the manual you could include on 'test2' so others could revise/check out. https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/720 thanks Em sáb, 10 de ago de 2019 às 18:44, Alexandre Torres Porres < por...@gmail.com> escreveu: > cool, sort works now, but [pdcontrol] still says "or to send a command > directly to the tcl/tk interpreter used for Pd's gui." in the documentation > > Em sáb, 10 de ago de 2019 às 18:27, Miller Puckette > escreveu: > >> Thanks - I've uploaded a fix to git repo - will put out a new test version >> once I've looked at some other problems. >> >> M >> >> On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 01:26:18PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: >> > confirmed on my mac 10.14.6, 'sort' blows up Pd and makes it instantly >> > disappear >> > >> > Em s??b, 10 de ago de 2019 ??s 13:17, hans w. koch < >> hansw.k...@gmail.com> >> > escreveu: >> > >> > > same here???trying to explore the sort function via helpfile (subpatch >> > > ???sorting-text???) tanks pd instantly. >> > > mac OS 10.14.6 >> > > >> > > best >> > > hans >> > > >> > > > Am 10.08.2019 um 12:01 schrieb s.le...@incalcando.com: >> > > > >> > > > Reading this mail with interest, I just wanted to explore the sort >> > > function. >> > > > >> > > > Opening the help file and clicking on 'sort' crashes pd. :( >> > > > Same in the [pd sorting] subpatch. >> > > > Irrespective of whether text window is open or closed, with data or >> > > without. >> > > > >> > > > Mac OS 10.14.5, Pd-0.50-0test1 >> > > > >> > > > Best, >> > > > Sebastian >> > > > >> > > > On 2019-08-09 17:19, Miller Puckette wrote: >> > > >> "sort" doc is hidden away in "text define" (one sends "sort" >> message to >> > > the >> > > >> define object, no need for a separate "text sort" object just to do >> > > that.) >> > > >> There's no "gui" method to pdcontrol anymore - I was talked out of >> it. >> > > I have >> > > >> to get it out of the help window though - will do that now. >> > > >> thanks >> > > >> Miller >> > > >> On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 01:52:49PM +0200, hans w. koch wrote: >> > > >>> thank you very much, miller! >> > > >>> very excited about the ???range??? in text search, hooray! >> > > >>> and pdcontrol is super useful too! >> > > >>> two other observations as per release notes: >> > > >>> 1. didn??t find "sort method for text object??? ? >> > > >>> 2. pdcontrol: the example for system command in the help file "gui >> > > pdsend [concat bazoo [exec date]]??? didn??t work for me. (mac os >> 10.14.6) >> > > >>> console says: pdcontrol: no method for ???gui' >> > > >>> cheers >> > > >>> hans >> > > >>> > Am 09.08.2019 um 02:09 schrieb Miller Puckette : >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > To Pd-announce: >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > Pd version 0.50-0test1 is available on >> > > http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm >> > > >>> > or (source only) via github: >> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > I'm hoping to be able to put out a "stable" release in a week. >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > cheers >> > > >>> > Miller >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > ___ >> > > >>> > Pd-announce mailing list >> > > >>> > pd-annou...@lists.iem.at >> > > >>> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce >> > > >>> > ___ >> > > >>> > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >> > > >>> > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> > > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> > > >> ___ >> > > >> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >> > > >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> > > >> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ___ >> > > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >> > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> > > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> > > >> > ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.50-0 test1 released
cool, sort works now, but [pdcontrol] still says "or to send a command directly to the tcl/tk interpreter used for Pd's gui." in the documentation Em sáb, 10 de ago de 2019 às 18:27, Miller Puckette escreveu: > Thanks - I've uploaded a fix to git repo - will put out a new test version > once I've looked at some other problems. > > M > > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 01:26:18PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > > confirmed on my mac 10.14.6, 'sort' blows up Pd and makes it instantly > > disappear > > > > Em s??b, 10 de ago de 2019 ??s 13:17, hans w. koch > > > escreveu: > > > > > same here???trying to explore the sort function via helpfile (subpatch > > > ???sorting-text???) tanks pd instantly. > > > mac OS 10.14.6 > > > > > > best > > > hans > > > > > > > Am 10.08.2019 um 12:01 schrieb s.le...@incalcando.com: > > > > > > > > Reading this mail with interest, I just wanted to explore the sort > > > function. > > > > > > > > Opening the help file and clicking on 'sort' crashes pd. :( > > > > Same in the [pd sorting] subpatch. > > > > Irrespective of whether text window is open or closed, with data or > > > without. > > > > > > > > Mac OS 10.14.5, Pd-0.50-0test1 > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Sebastian > > > > > > > > On 2019-08-09 17:19, Miller Puckette wrote: > > > >> "sort" doc is hidden away in "text define" (one sends "sort" > message to > > > the > > > >> define object, no need for a separate "text sort" object just to do > > > that.) > > > >> There's no "gui" method to pdcontrol anymore - I was talked out of > it. > > > I have > > > >> to get it out of the help window though - will do that now. > > > >> thanks > > > >> Miller > > > >> On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 01:52:49PM +0200, hans w. koch wrote: > > > >>> thank you very much, miller! > > > >>> very excited about the ???range??? in text search, hooray! > > > >>> and pdcontrol is super useful too! > > > >>> two other observations as per release notes: > > > >>> 1. didn??t find "sort method for text object??? ? > > > >>> 2. pdcontrol: the example for system command in the help file "gui > > > pdsend [concat bazoo [exec date]]??? didn??t work for me. (mac os > 10.14.6) > > > >>> console says: pdcontrol: no method for ???gui' > > > >>> cheers > > > >>> hans > > > >>> > Am 09.08.2019 um 02:09 schrieb Miller Puckette : > > > >>> > > > > >>> > To Pd-announce: > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Pd version 0.50-0test1 is available on > > > http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm > > > >>> > or (source only) via github: > https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data > > > >>> > > > > >>> > I'm hoping to be able to put out a "stable" release in a week. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > cheers > > > >>> > Miller > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > ___ > > > >>> > Pd-announce mailing list > > > >>> > pd-annou...@lists.iem.at > > > >>> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce > > > >>> > ___ > > > >>> > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > > > >>> > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > >> ___ > > > >> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > > > >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > > >> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.50-0 test1 released
Thanks - I've uploaded a fix to git repo - will put out a new test version once I've looked at some other problems. M On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 01:26:18PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > confirmed on my mac 10.14.6, 'sort' blows up Pd and makes it instantly > disappear > > Em s??b, 10 de ago de 2019 ??s 13:17, hans w. koch > escreveu: > > > same here???trying to explore the sort function via helpfile (subpatch > > ???sorting-text???) tanks pd instantly. > > mac OS 10.14.6 > > > > best > > hans > > > > > Am 10.08.2019 um 12:01 schrieb s.le...@incalcando.com: > > > > > > Reading this mail with interest, I just wanted to explore the sort > > function. > > > > > > Opening the help file and clicking on 'sort' crashes pd. :( > > > Same in the [pd sorting] subpatch. > > > Irrespective of whether text window is open or closed, with data or > > without. > > > > > > Mac OS 10.14.5, Pd-0.50-0test1 > > > > > > Best, > > > Sebastian > > > > > > On 2019-08-09 17:19, Miller Puckette wrote: > > >> "sort" doc is hidden away in "text define" (one sends "sort" message to > > the > > >> define object, no need for a separate "text sort" object just to do > > that.) > > >> There's no "gui" method to pdcontrol anymore - I was talked out of it. > > I have > > >> to get it out of the help window though - will do that now. > > >> thanks > > >> Miller > > >> On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 01:52:49PM +0200, hans w. koch wrote: > > >>> thank you very much, miller! > > >>> very excited about the ???range??? in text search, hooray! > > >>> and pdcontrol is super useful too! > > >>> two other observations as per release notes: > > >>> 1. didn??t find "sort method for text object??? ? > > >>> 2. pdcontrol: the example for system command in the help file "gui > > pdsend [concat bazoo [exec date]]??? didn??t work for me. (mac os 10.14.6) > > >>> console says: pdcontrol: no method for ???gui' > > >>> cheers > > >>> hans > > >>> > Am 09.08.2019 um 02:09 schrieb Miller Puckette : > > >>> > > > >>> > To Pd-announce: > > >>> > > > >>> > Pd version 0.50-0test1 is available on > > http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm > > >>> > or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data > > >>> > > > >>> > I'm hoping to be able to put out a "stable" release in a week. > > >>> > > > >>> > cheers > > >>> > Miller > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > ___ > > >>> > Pd-announce mailing list > > >>> > pd-annou...@lists.iem.at > > >>> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce > > >>> > ___ > > >>> > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > > >>> > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > >> ___ > > >> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > > >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > >> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] timbreID 0.8.1
wow, it just hit me... if you just rename the folder to timbreIDlib, that
inconvenience I mentioned is gone... no need for slash declarations! Though
I think the other option is more elegant :)
Em sáb, 3 de ago de 2019 às 10:09, William Brent
escreveu:
> Thanks for all the thorough replies! I'll try working this in for the next
> update.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 12:30 PM Christof Ressi
> wrote:
>
>> right, so William could declare only "setup" with
>> __attribute__((visibility("default"))) and in your makefile:
>>
>> ifeq ($(make-lib-executable),yes)
>> ldflags := -fvisibility=hidden
>> endif
>>
>> Note that this doesn't work on Windows because MinGW ignores visibility
>> attributes. But there's a solution:
>>
>> On MinGW, GCC exports all non-static symbols unless at least one symbol
>> is declared with __declspec(dllexport).
>>
>> For Windows, simply declare the library's "setup" function with
>> __declspec(dllexport).
>> "make-lib-executable=yes" -> only the "setup" function is exported.
>> "make-lib-executable=no" -> the file containing the "setup" function
>> won't be compiled, so all other non-static symbols are exported (as usual).
>>
>> Christof
>>
>>
>> > Gesendet: Freitag, 02. August 2019 um 17:34 Uhr
>> > Von: "katja"
>> > An: Pd-List
>> > Betreff: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] timbreID 0.8.1
>> >
>> > On 8/2/19, Christof Ressi wrote:
>> > > ah, for this to work you'd have to make sure that "timbreID_setup" is
>> not
>> > > exported... pd-lib-builder exports all non-static functions by
>> default...
>> >
>> > ... because gcc exports all non-static functions by default. No need
>> > to hack Makefile.pdlibbuilder, a library makefile can overrule the
>> > default with:
>> >
>> > ldflags := -fvisibility=hidden
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.50-0 test1 released
confirmed on my mac 10.14.6, 'sort' blows up Pd and makes it instantly disappear Em sáb, 10 de ago de 2019 às 13:17, hans w. koch escreveu: > same here…trying to explore the sort function via helpfile (subpatch > “sorting-text”) tanks pd instantly. > mac OS 10.14.6 > > best > hans > > > Am 10.08.2019 um 12:01 schrieb s.le...@incalcando.com: > > > > Reading this mail with interest, I just wanted to explore the sort > function. > > > > Opening the help file and clicking on 'sort' crashes pd. :( > > Same in the [pd sorting] subpatch. > > Irrespective of whether text window is open or closed, with data or > without. > > > > Mac OS 10.14.5, Pd-0.50-0test1 > > > > Best, > > Sebastian > > > > On 2019-08-09 17:19, Miller Puckette wrote: > >> "sort" doc is hidden away in "text define" (one sends "sort" message to > the > >> define object, no need for a separate "text sort" object just to do > that.) > >> There's no "gui" method to pdcontrol anymore - I was talked out of it. > I have > >> to get it out of the help window though - will do that now. > >> thanks > >> Miller > >> On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 01:52:49PM +0200, hans w. koch wrote: > >>> thank you very much, miller! > >>> very excited about the ???range??? in text search, hooray! > >>> and pdcontrol is super useful too! > >>> two other observations as per release notes: > >>> 1. didn??t find "sort method for text object??? ? > >>> 2. pdcontrol: the example for system command in the help file "gui > pdsend [concat bazoo [exec date]]??? didn??t work for me. (mac os 10.14.6) > >>> console says: pdcontrol: no method for ???gui' > >>> cheers > >>> hans > >>> > Am 09.08.2019 um 02:09 schrieb Miller Puckette : > >>> > > >>> > To Pd-announce: > >>> > > >>> > Pd version 0.50-0test1 is available on > http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm > >>> > or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data > >>> > > >>> > I'm hoping to be able to put out a "stable" release in a week. > >>> > > >>> > cheers > >>> > Miller > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ___ > >>> > Pd-announce mailing list > >>> > pd-annou...@lists.iem.at > >>> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce > >>> > ___ > >>> > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > >>> > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >> ___ > >> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > >> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > ___ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.50-0 test1 released
same here…trying to explore the sort function via helpfile (subpatch “sorting-text”) tanks pd instantly. mac OS 10.14.6 best hans > Am 10.08.2019 um 12:01 schrieb s.le...@incalcando.com: > > Reading this mail with interest, I just wanted to explore the sort function. > > Opening the help file and clicking on 'sort' crashes pd. :( > Same in the [pd sorting] subpatch. > Irrespective of whether text window is open or closed, with data or without. > > Mac OS 10.14.5, Pd-0.50-0test1 > > Best, > Sebastian > > On 2019-08-09 17:19, Miller Puckette wrote: >> "sort" doc is hidden away in "text define" (one sends "sort" message to the >> define object, no need for a separate "text sort" object just to do that.) >> There's no "gui" method to pdcontrol anymore - I was talked out of it. I >> have >> to get it out of the help window though - will do that now. >> thanks >> Miller >> On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 01:52:49PM +0200, hans w. koch wrote: >>> thank you very much, miller! >>> very excited about the ???range??? in text search, hooray! >>> and pdcontrol is super useful too! >>> two other observations as per release notes: >>> 1. didn??t find "sort method for text object??? ? >>> 2. pdcontrol: the example for system command in the help file "gui pdsend >>> [concat bazoo [exec date]]??? didn??t work for me. (mac os 10.14.6) >>> console says: pdcontrol: no method for ???gui' >>> cheers >>> hans >>> > Am 09.08.2019 um 02:09 schrieb Miller Puckette : >>> > >>> > To Pd-announce: >>> > >>> > Pd version 0.50-0test1 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm >>> > or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data >>> > >>> > I'm hoping to be able to put out a "stable" release in a week. >>> > >>> > cheers >>> > Miller >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ___ >>> > Pd-announce mailing list >>> > pd-annou...@lists.iem.at >>> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce >>> > ___ >>> > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >>> > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> ___ >> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.50-0 test1 released
Works here (Windows 7). Something I'm badly missing is the ability to sort based on a certain number of fields. I think what many people would want to do is sorting lines according to the first field (only). So I think [sort( could really take two (optional) arguments: start index (default: 0) + number of fields (<= 0: end of line -> default) [sort 0 1( -> sort by the leading field [sort 1 1( -> sort by field 1 [sort 1( -> sort by all fields starting at 1, like the current [sort -k 1( [sort 2 2( -> sort by fields 2 and 3 etc. What do you think? Christof > Gesendet: Samstag, 10. August 2019 um 12:01 Uhr > Von: s.le...@incalcando.com > An: "Miller Puckette" > Cc: pd-list , pd-annou...@iem.at, "hans w. koch" > > Betreff: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.50-0 test1 released > > Reading this mail with interest, I just wanted to explore the sort > function. > > Opening the help file and clicking on 'sort' crashes pd. :( > Same in the [pd sorting] subpatch. > Irrespective of whether text window is open or closed, with data or > without. > > Mac OS 10.14.5, Pd-0.50-0test1 > > Best, > Sebastian > > On 2019-08-09 17:19, Miller Puckette wrote: > > "sort" doc is hidden away in "text define" (one sends "sort" message to > > the > > define object, no need for a separate "text sort" object just to do > > that.) > > > > There's no "gui" method to pdcontrol anymore - I was talked out of it. > > I have > > to get it out of the help window though - will do that now. > > > > thanks > > Miller > > > > On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 01:52:49PM +0200, hans w. koch wrote: > >> thank you very much, miller! > >> > >> very excited about the ???range??? in text search, hooray! > >> and pdcontrol is super useful too! > >> > >> two other observations as per release notes: > >> 1. didn??t find "sort method for text object??? ? > >> 2. pdcontrol: the example for system command in the help file "gui > >> pdsend [concat bazoo [exec date]]??? didn??t work for me. (mac os > >> 10.14.6) > >> console says: pdcontrol: no method for ???gui' > >> > >> cheers > >> hans > >> > >> > Am 09.08.2019 um 02:09 schrieb Miller Puckette : > >> > > >> > To Pd-announce: > >> > > >> > Pd version 0.50-0test1 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm > >> > or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data > >> > > >> > I'm hoping to be able to put out a "stable" release in a week. > >> > > >> > cheers > >> > Miller > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > Pd-announce mailing list > >> > pd-annou...@lists.iem.at > >> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce > >> > ___ > >> > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > >> > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > >> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > >> > > > > > > > > ___ > > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > ___ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.50-0 test1 released
Reading this mail with interest, I just wanted to explore the sort function. Opening the help file and clicking on 'sort' crashes pd. :( Same in the [pd sorting] subpatch. Irrespective of whether text window is open or closed, with data or without. Mac OS 10.14.5, Pd-0.50-0test1 Best, Sebastian On 2019-08-09 17:19, Miller Puckette wrote: "sort" doc is hidden away in "text define" (one sends "sort" message to the define object, no need for a separate "text sort" object just to do that.) There's no "gui" method to pdcontrol anymore - I was talked out of it. I have to get it out of the help window though - will do that now. thanks Miller On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 01:52:49PM +0200, hans w. koch wrote: thank you very much, miller! very excited about the ???range??? in text search, hooray! and pdcontrol is super useful too! two other observations as per release notes: 1. didn??t find "sort method for text object??? ? 2. pdcontrol: the example for system command in the help file "gui pdsend [concat bazoo [exec date]]??? didn??t work for me. (mac os 10.14.6) console says: pdcontrol: no method for ???gui' cheers hans > Am 09.08.2019 um 02:09 schrieb Miller Puckette : > > To Pd-announce: > > Pd version 0.50-0test1 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm > or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data > > I'm hoping to be able to put out a "stable" release in a week. > > cheers > Miller > > > > ___ > Pd-announce mailing list > pd-annou...@lists.iem.at > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce > ___ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
