Re: [PD] installing pd via apt-get

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 9/22/19 10:08 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:

doing this will most likely give you a system that lacks all the
functionality you expect.

Interesting,*you*  say that. 'puredata' recommends 'gem'. I certainly
do not expect to get Gem when installing Pure Data. In all cases I
remember, I was rather annoyed by stuff that got installed
unexpectedly.


actually the fact that the "puredata" package recommends "gem" predates 
my involvement in the Debian package and i just never came around to 
demoting it to a mere "suggests" (which is normally not automatically 
installed).


if it bothers you, please file a bug against the puredata Debian package.

> So often, though, it appeared to me that 'recommends' somewhat
> followed the taste of the maintainer and was not concise.

The Debian policy is pretty clear about what qualifies as a "Recommends" 
[1].
However, i think that historically the term was less well defined and 
was mostly used as what nowadays would be a "Suggests".


gsadmr
IOhannes




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Re: [PD] Deken repository data query

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 9/22/19 5:24 PM, João Pais wrote:

Hi list,

besides doing an empty search on pd, is there any way of getting the
current state of all submitted data to deken? E.g. also to sort it not only
by name, but also by date?


ad searching:
searching from within Pd? no
searching from the cmdline? using 'deken' (but you cannot specify the 
sort order)
building your own tool? query https://deken.puredata.info/ (data is 
returned as TSV; later on i plan to implement a JSON-view, but not yet...)


ad sorting:
the results are sorted by name, version and date (in that order).



How is it possible to delete something from the repository, also by
deleting the release from the puredata website?



yes.
currently the deken repository *is* the content of the puredata website 
(modulo the deken filename convention)



gfmrdsa
IOhannes


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[PD] pd-else in Debian (was Re: installing pd via apt-get)

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 9/22/19 9:10 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

so maybe I could
include as well my other library (else)? But how?

*you*  will need to find a Debian maintainer to include*anything*  in Debian.

luckily, i have filed an itp (intention to package) "else" for Debian a while 
ago.

i just haven't found the time yet.



so i had a quick look into packaging pd-else.

currently there's two (minor) obstacles:

- The somewhat unclear licensing: please clarify the licenses of all the 
files, including those that are taken from other projects [489]. (Debian 
is super-picky about license issues)


- the stability of the package. quite prominently you say that "this 
project is still in a beta stage, this means some changes may occur to 
some of the objects and backwards compatibility is not guaranteed for 
future releases until the final stable release is made available."
if pd-else keeps breaking patches created with it with every new 
release, then I'm not sure whether it is fit (yet) for inclusion in Debian.
as you have noted, Debian has rather long release cycles (about once 
every 2 years), and the package that was "in" at the time of a Debian 
release, will stay "in" for the entire lifetime of that release cycle.
If pd-else is released every month, and the package breaks API 
compatibility (say) every 4 the release, then people will end up with a 
significantly incompatible package - 6 API changes for the early 
adaptors compared to those how bet on a "stable" system (remember the 
recent thread about Pd on the RPi, where somebody was using 
Debian/stretch - which was released in june 2017).
I don't know whether the big fat stability warning is just to stay on 
the safe side (so you can always say "but i warned you" if things go 
bonkers), or whether pd-else has *actually* broken API since it's existence.


once these issues are clarified, i intend to proceed.

gfmasrd
IOhannes


[489] https://github.com/porres/pd-else/issues/489


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Re: [PD] installing pd via apt-get

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

thanks everyone for all the hints


Em dom, 22 de set de 2019 às 04:10, IOhannes m zmölnig 
escreveu:

> Am 21. September 2019 08:45:38 MESZ schrieb Alexandre Torres Porres <
> por...@gmail.com>:
> >
> >And while we're at it, I see that puredata-core has cyclone, but an old
> >version, how can  Iinclude the latest cyclone?
>
> Debian (and derivatives) ship "cyclone" for more than a decade.
> because your fork of cyclone
> - breaks functionality (starting with missing "cyclist")
> - and the takeover was not very well coordinated
> ... i have not switched (yet) the Debian packages to your upstream.
>
> i think the biggest issue for me is (still) the uncoordinated takeover.
> if that is resolved, thr Debian packages might (and i don't see why not)
> switch
>

great, we can open a new thread to discuss this, but I'm terribly busy now,
off to a conference, then for the US where I'll end up in Pd Weekend, then
Mexico, then in a month from now I can get back to this :)


> >include as well my other library (else)? But how?
>
> *you* will need to find a Debian maintainer to include *anything* in
> Debian.
>
> luckily, i have filed an itp (intention to package) "else" for Debian a
> while ago.
>
> i just haven't found the time yet.
>

awesome, thanks, but no worries, I was just wondering how things work. I
still consider this project to be in an early stage and maybe when I feel
it's time for a stable release, we can do this.

thanks again
and cheers
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Re: [PD] Gem window bigger than fullHD

[Csaba Láng]

True, looks like I forgot something at the end.
Anyway, my latest solution to send big resolution to multi projectors is
NDI through gigabit ethernet.
Just make the rendering in gemframebuffer, the Gem window is just a preview
on my main screen.
https://github.com/gogo2/pd-ndi/releases
I honestly recommend it.

Thanks,
Popesz

On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 12:07 PM cyrille henry  wrote:

> Hello ,
> your OS resize a window created bigger than your screen.
> you can adjust it's size manually, or you can create your windows using
> "border 0, offset 0 0 , dimen 3840 1080" to have your Gem window full size
> of your 2 screen.
>
> cheers
> c
>
>
> Le 21/09/2019 à 23:52, Csaba Láng a écrit :
> > Dear list,
> >
> > I have 2 fullHD screen connected to my pc with Ubuntu 18.04, but pd
> cannot create bigger Gem window than the size of my first screen.
> > Is there any trick I do not know about? Dimen 3840 1080 just does not
> make any difference.
> >
> > Please advice,
> >
> > Popesz
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Re: [PD] installing pd via apt-get

[Max]

I thought I saw something in the documentation or help files of Pd which 
was using Gem... So I tried

grep -rnw '5.reference/' -e 'gem'
which did not find anything. However, while searching that I found that 
the html documentation was suggesting to install Pd-extended if one 
wants Gem, so I made a pull request to remove this reference to Pd-extended.


https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/755

On 23.09.19 13:10, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

On 9/22/19 10:08 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:

doing this will most likely give you a system that lacks all the
functionality you expect.

Interesting,*you*  say that. 'puredata' recommends 'gem'. I certainly
do not expect to get Gem when installing Pure Data. In all cases I
remember, I was rather annoyed by stuff that got installed
unexpectedly.


actually the fact that the "puredata" package recommends "gem" predates 
my involvement in the Debian package and i just never came around to 
demoting it to a mere "suggests" (which is normally not automatically 
installed).


if it bothers you, please file a bug against the puredata Debian package.

 > So often, though, it appeared to me that 'recommends' somewhat
 > followed the taste of the maintainer and was not concise.

The Debian policy is pretty clear about what qualifies as a "Recommends" 
[1].
However, i think that historically the term was less well defined and 
was mostly used as what nowadays would be a "Suggests".


gsadmr
IOhannes




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[PD] Expr objects are GPL or LGPL?

[Nicolas Danet]

Hello,

Nowadays (2019), is [expr] objects GPL or LGPL licensed?

On Shahrokh Yadegari's site it is GPL.

< http://yadegari.org/expr/expr.html >

On documentation (x5.htm) it is claimed that it is LGPL.

< https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/doc/1.manual/x5.htm#L120 >

Nothing is said about it in "LICENSE.txt" whereas it wrote to refer it in the 
expr source files.

/* Copyright (c) IRCAM.
* For information on usage and redistribution, and for a DISCLAIMER OF ALL
* WARRANTIES, see the file, "LICENSE.txt," in this distribution.  */

I'm a bit lost.




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[PD] Re : Expr objects are GPL or LGPL?

[Nicolas Danet]

Oops, link is < 
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/doc/1.manual/x5.htm#L200 >.

- Mail d'origine -
De: Nicolas Danet 
À: Pd-List 
Envoyé: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 17:46:00 +0200 (CEST)
Objet: [PD] Expr objects are GPL or LGPL?

Hello,

Nowadays (2019), is [expr] objects GPL or LGPL licensed?

On Shahrokh Yadegari's site it is GPL.

< http://yadegari.org/expr/expr.html >

On documentation (x5.htm) it is claimed that it is LGPL.

< https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/doc/1.manual/x5.htm#L120 >

Nothing is said about it in "LICENSE.txt" whereas it wrote to refer it in the 
expr source files.

/* Copyright (c) IRCAM.
* For information on usage and redistribution, and for a DISCLAIMER OF ALL
* WARRANTIES, see the file, "LICENSE.txt," in this distribution.  */

I'm a bit lost.




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Re: [PD] Expr objects are GPL or LGPL?

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

hi, it's lgpl as stated in
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/doc/1.manual/x5.htm#L199

that site is outdated

Em ter, 24 de set de 2019 às 13:19, Nicolas Danet 
escreveu:

> Oops, link is <
> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/doc/1.manual/x5.htm#L200
> >.
>
> - Mail d'origine -
> De: Nicolas Danet 
> À: Pd-List 
> Envoyé: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 17:46:00 +0200 (CEST)
> Objet: [PD] Expr objects are GPL or LGPL?
>
> Hello,
>
> Nowadays (2019), is [expr] objects GPL or LGPL licensed?
>
> On Shahrokh Yadegari's site it is GPL.
>
> < http://yadegari.org/expr/expr.html >
>
> On documentation (x5.htm) it is claimed that it is LGPL.
>
> <
> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/doc/1.manual/x5.htm#L120
> >
>
> Nothing is said about it in "LICENSE.txt" whereas it wrote to refer it in
> the expr source files.
>
> /* Copyright (c) IRCAM.
> * For information on usage and redistribution, and for a DISCLAIMER OF ALL
> * WARRANTIES, see the file, "LICENSE.txt," in this distribution.  */
>
> I'm a bit lost.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [PD] Expr objects are GPL or LGPL?

[Miller Puckette]

Hi all -

In my understanding, expr (etc.) are all now Berkeley licensed, like the
rest of Pd.

cheers
Miller

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 02:18:23PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> hi, it's lgpl as stated in
> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/doc/1.manual/x5.htm#L199
> 
> that site is outdated
> 
> Em ter, 24 de set de 2019 ??s 13:19, Nicolas Danet 
> escreveu:
> 
> > Oops, link is <
> > https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/doc/1.manual/x5.htm#L200
> > >.
> >
> > - Mail d'origine -
> > De: Nicolas Danet 
> > ??: Pd-List 
> > Envoy??: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 17:46:00 +0200 (CEST)
> > Objet: [PD] Expr objects are GPL or LGPL?
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Nowadays (2019), is [expr] objects GPL or LGPL licensed?
> >
> > On Shahrokh Yadegari's site it is GPL.
> >
> > < http://yadegari.org/expr/expr.html >
> >
> > On documentation (x5.htm) it is claimed that it is LGPL.
> >
> > <
> > https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/doc/1.manual/x5.htm#L120
> > >
> >
> > Nothing is said about it in "LICENSE.txt" whereas it wrote to refer it in
> > the expr source files.
> >
> > /* Copyright (c) IRCAM.
> > * For information on usage and redistribution, and for a DISCLAIMER OF ALL
> > * WARRANTIES, see the file, "LICENSE.txt," in this distribution.  */
> >
> > I'm a bit lost.
> >
> >
> >
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[PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.50-1 released

[Miller Puckette]

To Pd-announce:

Pd 0.50-1 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm
or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data

Only two small changes from pd 0.50-0: the HTML-opening command to teh new
pdcontrol object handles spaces in pathnames, and, on PCs, typing tildes is
fixed for Spanish and Portuguese keyboard layouts.

cheers
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Re: [PD] Expr objects are GPL or LGPL?

[Nicolas Danet]

Good to know. Thanks. 

For future readers, below a permalink as the file quickly change.

< 
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/7c71e91d3734d1907d6060deaf996849b62c429c/doc/1.manual/x5.htm#L206
 >

- Mail d'origine -
De: Alexandre Torres Porres 
À: Nicolas Danet 
Cc: Pd-List 
Envoyé: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 19:18:23 +0200 (CEST)
Objet: Re: [PD] Re : Expr objects are GPL or LGPL?

hi, it's lgpl as stated in
https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/doc/1.manual/x5.htm#L199

that site is outdated

Em ter, 24 de set de 2019 às 13:19, Nicolas Danet 
escreveu:

> Oops, link is <
> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/doc/1.manual/x5.htm#L200
> >.
>
> - Mail d'origine -
> De: Nicolas Danet 
> À: Pd-List 
> Envoyé: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 17:46:00 +0200 (CEST)
> Objet: [PD] Expr objects are GPL or LGPL?
>
> Hello,
>
> Nowadays (2019), is [expr] objects GPL or LGPL licensed?
>
> On Shahrokh Yadegari's site it is GPL.
>
> < http://yadegari.org/expr/expr.html >
>
> On documentation (x5.htm) it is claimed that it is LGPL.
>
> <
> https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/doc/1.manual/x5.htm#L120
> >
>
> Nothing is said about it in "LICENSE.txt" whereas it wrote to refer it in
> the expr source files.
>
> /* Copyright (c) IRCAM.
> * For information on usage and redistribution, and for a DISCLAIMER OF ALL
> * WARRANTIES, see the file, "LICENSE.txt," in this distribution.  */
>
> I'm a bit lost.
>
>
>
>
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