date:20200530

Thanks Dan! With this version:

My externals all open (although that might have been somehow fixed by my 
previous test where I created a new external?).

Zexy’s multiplex and mux will not load, as before.

Cyclone’s allpass~ will load, as before.

William Brent’s convolve~ 0.11 will not load.

I haven’t tested any other externals.


> On May 30, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Dan Wilcox  wrote:
> 
> Does this test build have the same issues?
> 
> Pd-0.50-2-signed.zip 
> 
> 
> I don't have a macOS 10.15 machine to test personally. I can get one next 
> week.
> 
>> On May 30, 2020, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 00:24:36 -0700
>> From: Kevin Haywood mailto:khayw...@ucsd.edu>>
>> To: pd-l...@iem.at 
>> Cc: pd-annou...@iem.at , Miller Puckette 
>> mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>>
>> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.51-0test2 for Macontosh - another
>>  try at code signing
>> Message-ID: <94a646cd-fea1-4549-a2e6-163a7cb6e...@ucsd.edu 
>> >
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
>> 
>> For me, on almost-latest macOS (10.15.4, although 10.15.5 just came out), 
>> test2 will not load externals at all.
>> 
>> I get the "… couldn’t create” message in the Pd Window, but whereas 
>> previously I could quit Pd, go to System Preferences > Security & Privacy 
>> and there would be a little message telling me the last piece of software 
>> that was blocked (and allowing me to unblock it), that message no longer 
>> appears.
>> 
>> To make matters worse, when I go back to 0.50-2, none of my externals will 
>> load there, either, now that I’ve run test2.
>> 
>> Yikes!
>> Kevin
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.51-0test2 for Macontosh - another try at code signing

Back to the original discussion from pd-dev, looking at this:

https://cutecoder.org/programming/shared-framework-hardened-runtime/ 


If the externals (aka dynamic libs) are built with a macOS deployment target >= 
10.9, then they should work without throwing an error. If they are not or are 
simply older with an older deployment target, they will run into the loading 
issue. I had added adhoc code-signing and the disable-library-validation 
exception entitlement to the app build process, so that should make this work, 
or at least I thought it would.

> On May 30, 2020, at 11:39 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 14:36:21 -0700
> From: Kevin Haywood mailto:khayw...@ucsd.edu>>
> To: Christof Ressi mailto:i...@christofressi.com>>
> Cc: Pd-List mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at>>
> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.51-0test2 for Macontosh - another
>   try at code signing
> Message-ID: <59e927a8-bc97-450a-8287-19bacee2e...@ucsd.edu 
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> 
>> On May 30, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Christof Ressi > > wrote:
>> 
>>> For some still-inexplicable reason, my externals started working again in 
>>> both of these versions of Pd after building and loading a newly-created 
>>> external. macOS Catalina 10.15.4.
>> Newly built externals are not blacklisted.
> 
> 
> I trust you on that, but loading a newly-created external seems to have 
> resulted in my previously-blacklisted externals also loading with no problem.
> 
> In the case of my externals, I would guess that perhaps this might be because 
> the new and old all used the same signing certificate? But that wouldn't 
> explain my friend’s externals which he compiled.
> 
> So perhaps there’s something else going on which I’ve missed, because no one 
> else has confirmed this yet : \


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.51-0test2 for Macontosh - another try at code signing

Oh, I thought you've only spoken about the external you've freshly 
compiled... I have no idea. And I have to say that I'm not a macOS 
expert (just had to occasionally fight with macOS Catalina in the last 
few weeks), so don't trust me on anything I say about macOS :-)


Christof

On 30.05.2020 23:36, Kevin Haywood wrote:


On May 30, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Christof Ressi > wrote:


For some still-inexplicable reason, my externals started working 
again in both of these versions of Pd after building and loading a 
newly-created external. macOS Catalina 10.15.4.

Newly built externals are not blacklisted.


I trust you on that, but loading a newly-created external seems to 
have resulted in my previously-blacklisted externals also loading with 
no problem.


In the case of my externals, I would guess that perhaps this might be 
because the new and old all used the same signing certificate? But 
that wouldn't explain my friend’s externals which he compiled.


So perhaps there’s something else going on which I’ve missed, because 
no one else has confirmed this yet : \


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> On May 30, 2020, at 1:46 PM, Christof Ressi  wrote:
> 
>> For some still-inexplicable reason, my externals started working again in 
>> both of these versions of Pd after building and loading a newly-created 
>> external. macOS Catalina 10.15.4.
> Newly built externals are not blacklisted.

I trust you on that, but loading a newly-created external seems to have 
resulted in my previously-blacklisted externals also loading with no problem.

In the case of my externals, I would guess that perhaps this might be because 
the new and old all used the same signing certificate? But that wouldn't 
explain my friend’s externals which he compiled.

So perhaps there’s something else going on which I’ve missed, because no one 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.51-0test2 for Macontosh - another try at code signing

The main difference between the builds is that mine was made on a much newer 
system. I was hoping that Miller's 10.6 build system would be able sign the app 
bundles well enough but maybe not. Let's find out.

Can y'all can try either of the signed 0.5.1-0-test0 builds here?

http://docs.danomatika.com/pdbuilds/0.51/ 


These is the current 0.51-0-test0 except that I've built and signed it on a 
10.14 system. The adhoc build is using the anonymous fake "signing" while the 
wilcox build is signed with my developer id.

> On May 30, 2020, at 10:36 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Em sáb., 30 de mai. de 2020 às 15:58, Dan Wilcox  > escreveu:
> Does this test build have the same issues?
> 
> Pd-0.50-2-signed.zip 
> 
> 
> I see a diference from this and the test downloads from Miller.
> 
> When trying to open Miller's I get 
> 
> "cannot be opened because the developer cannot be verified" 
> 
> 
> I don't get that when I try to open yours, I get instead I get 
> “Pd-0.50-2-signed” can’t be opened because Apple cannot check it for 
> malicious software.
> 
> 
> So it's quite clear signing worked for making it "verified" somehow. That's a 
> pretty clear cue...
> 
> I couldn't see any difference in load time when trying your build, but again, 
> let me stress that I don't get it "always" on the build made by Miller, it's 
> something that happens only sometimes and I was also noticing that with my 
> own Pd builds from the repository...


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.51-0test2 for Macontosh - another try at code signing

So, the issue now seems to be that my own externals, and those of a friend who
compiled his on macos in 2018 (and which I was using earlier this week in Pd
0.50-2), would neither load nor initiate an OS security prompt of any sort in
Pd 0.51-0test2.
I guess this is because your externals / that of your friend had already
been blacklisted by the GateKeeper by trying to open them with an
unnotarized Pd (and not setting the necessary security exceptions)

For some still-inexplicable reason, my externals started working again in both
of these versions of Pd after building and loading a newly-created external.
macOS Catalina 10.15.4.

Newly built externals are not blacklisted.

Christof

On 30.05.2020 22:19, Kevin Haywood wrote:

Sorry, I didn’t see this message!

No, I used Deken to install zexy, then opened a zexy help file. I assumed that
that would work, and apparently it doesn’t, but that seems to be a
specification issue colliding with an unfounded assumption. Creating [declare
-lib zexy] before trying to load a zexy external does indeed cause zexy to
work, so thank you. I apologize that I didn’t know this requirement, but I
almost never use externals, except occasionally my own.

So, the issue now seems to be that my own externals, and those of a friend who
compiled his on macos in 2018 (and which I was using earlier this week in Pd
0.50-2), would neither load nor initiate an OS security prompt of any sort in
Pd 0.51-0test2. For some still-inexplicable reason, my externals started
working again in both of these versions of Pd after building and loading a
newly-created external. macOS Catalina 10.15.4.

Thanks again for your help!

On May 30, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Christof Ressi wrote:

Zexy’s compiled externals such as demux and demultiplex can’t be created in
either 0.51-0test2 or in 0.50-2

Did you actually load zexy, i.e. [declare -lib zexy]?

Christof

On 30.05.2020 20:08, Kevin Haywood via Pd-list wrote:

Ok, current testing results:

Created and built a new external in Xcode. The external loads and runs as
expected in 0.51-0test2, without throwing any kind of warning.

The externals that weren’t loading yesterday with 0.51-0test2 suddenly work
again, in both that version and in 0.50-2. These are externals that I had
created myself, as well as some that a friend had created and compiled.

However, I next used Deken to install
zexy[v2.3.0](Darwin-amd64-32)(Linux-amd64-32)(Windows-amd64-32)(Windows-i386-32).dek,
and Zexy’s compiled externals such as demux and demultiplex can’t be created in
either 0.51-0test2 or in 0.50-2. No mention appears in System Preferences >
Security and Privacy.

However, I next used Deken to install
cyclone[v0.4](Darwin-amd64-32)(Darwin-i386-32).dek, and compiled externals from
there run as expected.

Not sure what’s happening : )
Kevin

On May 30, 2020, at 9:35 AM, Miller Puckette wrote:

This is deeply worrisome... it seems like your OS has somehow decided to
ban the externs themselves (irrespective of Pd).

Is it feasible for you to either make or download an extern you haven't used
before and see if an older Pd can at least load that one? And anyway, are
these your own externs (that you compiled) that don't load, or downloaded
externs, or both?

thanks
M

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 12:24:36AM -0700, Kevin Haywood wrote:

For me, on almost-latest macOS (10.15.4, although 10.15.5 just came out), test2
will not load externals at all.

I get the "??? couldn???t create??? message in the Pd Window, but whereas previously I
could quit Pd, go to System Preferences > Security & Privacy and there would be a
little message telling me the last piece of software that was blocked (and allowing me to
unblock it), that message no longer appears.

To make matters worse, when I go back to 0.50-2, none of my externals will load
there, either, now that I???ve run test2.

Yikes!
Kevin

On May 29, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Miller Puckette via Pd-announce
wrote:

To Pd-announce:

Pd 0.51-0test2 is up. It should fix the code signing problem in test1 ofr
Macintoshes. No difference from test1 on other OSes.

http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm

cheers
Miller

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.51-0test2 for Macontosh - another try at code signing

2020-05-30 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres

Em sáb., 30 de mai. de 2020 às 15:58, Dan Wilcox 
escreveu:

> Does this test build have the same issues?
>
> Pd-0.50-2-signed.zip
> 
>

I see a diference from this and the test downloads from Miller.

When trying to open Miller's I get

"*cannot be opened because the developer cannot be verified"*


I don't get that when I try to open yours, I get instead I get
*“Pd-0.50-2-signed”
can’t be opened because Apple cannot check it for malicious software.*


So it's quite clear signing worked for making it "verified" somehow. That's
a pretty clear cue...

I couldn't see any difference in load time when trying your build, but
again, let me stress that I don't get it "always" on the build made by
Miller, it's something that happens only sometimes and I was also noticing
that with my own Pd builds from the repository...
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.51-0test2 for Macontosh - another try at code signing

2020-05-30 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres

Em sáb., 30 de mai. de 2020 às 17:22, Kevin Haywood via Pd-list <
pd-list@lists.iem.at> escreveu:

> Sorry, I didn’t see this message!
>
> No, I used Deken to install zexy, then opened a zexy help file. I assumed
> that that would work, and apparently it doesn’t, but that seems to be a
> specification issue colliding with an unfounded assumption. Creating
> [declare -lib zexy] before trying to load a zexy external does indeed cause
> zexy to work, so thank you. I apologize that I didn’t know this
> requirement, but I almost never use externals, except occasionally my own.


just so you know, you should aslo do that same procedure with cyclone
([declare -lib cyclone] or include it via startup)
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Sorry, I didn’t see this message!

No, I used Deken to install zexy, then opened a zexy help file. I assumed that 
that would work, and apparently it doesn’t, but that seems to be a 
specification issue colliding with an unfounded assumption. Creating [declare 
-lib zexy] before trying to load a zexy external does indeed cause zexy to 
work, so thank you. I apologize that I didn’t know this requirement, but I 
almost never use externals, except occasionally my own.

So, the issue now seems to be that my own externals, and those of a friend who 
compiled his on macos in 2018 (and which I was using earlier this week in Pd 
0.50-2), would neither load nor initiate an OS security prompt of any sort in 
Pd 0.51-0test2. For some still-inexplicable reason, my externals started 
working again in both of these versions of Pd after building and loading a 
newly-created external. macOS Catalina 10.15.4.

Thanks again for your help!


> On May 30, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Christof Ressi  wrote:
> 
>> Zexy’s compiled externals such as demux and demultiplex can’t be created in 
>> either 0.51-0test2 or in 0.50-2
> Did you actually load zexy, i.e. [declare -lib zexy]?
> 
> Christof
> 
> On 30.05.2020 20:08, Kevin Haywood via Pd-list wrote:
>> Ok, current testing results:
>> 
>> Created and built a new external in Xcode. The external loads and runs as 
>> expected in 0.51-0test2, without throwing any kind of warning.
>> 
>> The externals that weren’t loading yesterday with 0.51-0test2 suddenly work 
>> again, in both that version and in 0.50-2. These are externals that I had 
>> created myself, as well as some that a friend had created and compiled.
>> 
>> However, I next used Deken to install 
>> zexy[v2.3.0](Darwin-amd64-32)(Linux-amd64-32)(Windows-amd64-32)(Windows-i386-32).dek,
>>  and Zexy’s compiled externals such as demux and demultiplex can’t be 
>> created in either 0.51-0test2 or in 0.50-2. No mention appears in System 
>> Preferences > Security and Privacy.
>> 
>> However, I next used Deken to install 
>> cyclone[v0.4](Darwin-amd64-32)(Darwin-i386-32).dek, and compiled externals 
>> from there run as expected.
>> 
>> Not sure what’s happening : )
>> Kevin
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2020, at 9:35 AM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is deeply worrisome...  it seems like your OS has somehow decided to
>>> ban the externs themselves (irrespective of Pd).
>>> 
>>> Is it feasible for you to either make or download an extern you haven't used
>>> before and see if an older Pd can at least load that one?  And anyway, are
>>> these your own externs (that you compiled) that don't load, or downloaded
>>> externs, or both?
>>> 
>>> thanks
>>> M
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 12:24:36AM -0700, Kevin Haywood wrote:
 For me, on almost-latest macOS (10.15.4, although 10.15.5 just came out), 
 test2 will not load externals at all.
 
 I get the "??? couldn???t create??? message in the Pd Window, but whereas 
 previously I could quit Pd, go to System Preferences > Security & Privacy 
 and there would be a little message telling me the last piece of software 
 that was blocked (and allowing me to unblock it), that message no longer 
 appears.
 
 To make matters worse, when I go back to 0.50-2, none of my externals will 
 load there, either, now that I???ve run test2.
 
 Yikes!
 Kevin
 
 
> On May 29, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Miller Puckette via Pd-announce 
>  wrote:
> 
> To Pd-announce:
> 
> Pd 0.51-0test2 is up.  It should fix the code signing problem in test1 ofr
> Macintoshes.  No difference from test1 on other OSes.
> 
> http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm
> 
> cheers
> Miller
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.51-0test2 for Macontosh - another try at code signing

Ack, my mistake! convolve~ /does/ load. I just saw the red error that it throws 
by default, and didn’t actually read the error message.


> On May 30, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Kevin Haywood  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Dan! With this version:
> 
> My externals all open (although that might have been somehow fixed by my 
> previous test where I created a new external?).
> 
> Zexy’s multiplex and mux will not load, as before.
> 
> Cyclone’s allpass~ will load, as before.
> 
> William Brent’s convolve~ 0.11 will not load.
> 
> I haven’t tested any other externals.
> 
> 
>> On May 30, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Dan Wilcox > > wrote:
>> 
>> Does this test build have the same issues?
>> 
>> Pd-0.50-2-signed.zip 
>> 
>> 
>> I don't have a macOS 10.15 machine to test personally. I can get one next 
>> week.
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2020, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 00:24:36 -0700
>>> From: Kevin Haywood mailto:khayw...@ucsd.edu>>
>>> To: pd-l...@iem.at 
>>> Cc: pd-annou...@iem.at , Miller Puckette 
>>> mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>>
>>> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.51-0test2 for Macontosh - another
>>> try at code signing
>>> Message-ID: <94a646cd-fea1-4549-a2e6-163a7cb6e...@ucsd.edu 
>>> >
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=utf-8
>>> 
>>> For me, on almost-latest macOS (10.15.4, although 10.15.5 just came out), 
>>> test2 will not load externals at all.
>>> 
>>> I get the "… couldn’t create” message in the Pd Window, but whereas 
>>> previously I could quit Pd, go to System Preferences > Security & Privacy 
>>> and there would be a little message telling me the last piece of software 
>>> that was blocked (and allowing me to unblock it), that message no longer 
>>> appears.
>>> 
>>> To make matters worse, when I go back to 0.50-2, none of my externals will 
>>> load there, either, now that I’ve run test2.
>>> 
>>> Yikes!
>>> Kevin
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Wilcox
>> @danomatika 
>> 
>> danomatika.com 
>> 
>> robotcowboy.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[PD] polyblep

2020-05-30 Thread Ed Kelly via Pd-list

I've been working with heavylib recently, and also creb, with anit-aliased 
oscillators.
Can anyone help me work out how I would compute a blep function for a 
saw/triangle wave where there is adjustable symmetry (like my wavefolding work 
from 2016) i.e. any angle in the waveform? I need a generalised blep function 
for any angle of piecewise breakpoint function.
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Re: [PD] compiling pd-0.51-0test2 on mac os 10.14.6


Will do.

On 30.05.2020 20:53, Dan Wilcox wrote:

Feel free to edit INSTALL.txt...

On May 30, 2020, at 6:53 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at 
 wrote:


a) ./configure CPPFLAGS="-DPD_FLOATSIZE=64"

(for all subsequent calls to "make")

b) make CPPFLAGS="-DPD_FLOATSIZE=64"

(only for this call to "make")


Looks like these instructions are still missing in the INSTALL.txt...

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Feel free to edit INSTALL.txt...

> On May 30, 2020, at 6:53 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> a) ./configure CPPFLAGS="-DPD_FLOATSIZE=64"
> 
> (for all subsequent calls to "make")
> 
> b) make CPPFLAGS="-DPD_FLOATSIZE=64"
> 
> (only for this call to "make")
> 
> 
> Looks like these instructions are still missing in the INSTALL.txt...
> 
> Christof


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.51-0test2 for Macontosh - another try at code signing

2020-05-30 Thread Miller Puckette via Pd-list

This is deeply worrisome...  it seems like your OS has somehow decided to
ban the externs themselves (irrespective of Pd).

Is it feasible for you to either make or download an extern you haven't used
before and see if an older Pd can at least load that one?  And anyway, are
these your own externs (that you compiled) that don't load, or downloaded
externs, or both?

thanks
M


On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 12:24:36AM -0700, Kevin Haywood wrote:
> For me, on almost-latest macOS (10.15.4, although 10.15.5 just came out), 
> test2 will not load externals at all.
> 
> I get the "??? couldn???t create??? message in the Pd Window, but whereas 
> previously I could quit Pd, go to System Preferences > Security & Privacy and 
> there would be a little message telling me the last piece of software that 
> was blocked (and allowing me to unblock it), that message no longer appears.
> 
> To make matters worse, when I go back to 0.50-2, none of my externals will 
> load there, either, now that I???ve run test2.
> 
> Yikes!
> Kevin
> 
> 
> > On May 29, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Miller Puckette via Pd-announce 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > To Pd-announce:
> > 
> > Pd 0.51-0test2 is up.  It should fix the code signing problem in test1 ofr
> > Macintoshes.  No difference from test1 on other OSes.
> > 
> > http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm
> > 
> > cheers
> > Miller
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.51-0test2 for Macontosh - another try at code signing

Does this test build have the same issues?

Pd-0.50-2-signed.zip 


I don't have a macOS 10.15 machine to test personally. I can get one next week.

> On May 30, 2020, at 12:00 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 00:24:36 -0700
> From: Kevin Haywood mailto:khayw...@ucsd.edu>>
> To: pd-l...@iem.at 
> Cc: pd-annou...@iem.at , Miller Puckette 
> mailto:m...@ucsd.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.51-0test2 for Macontosh - another
>   try at code signing
> Message-ID: <94a646cd-fea1-4549-a2e6-163a7cb6e...@ucsd.edu 
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> For me, on almost-latest macOS (10.15.4, although 10.15.5 just came out), 
> test2 will not load externals at all.
> 
> I get the "… couldn’t create” message in the Pd Window, but whereas 
> previously I could quit Pd, go to System Preferences > Security & Privacy and 
> there would be a little message telling me the last piece of software that 
> was blocked (and allowing me to unblock it), that message no longer appears.
> 
> To make matters worse, when I go back to 0.50-2, none of my externals will 
> load there, either, now that I’ve run test2.
> 
> Yikes!
> Kevin


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.51-0test2 for Macontosh - another try at code signing

Zexy’s compiled externals such as demux and demultiplex can’t be created in
either 0.51-0test2 or in 0.50-2

Did you actually load zexy, i.e. [declare -lib zexy]?

Christof

On 30.05.2020 20:08, Kevin Haywood via Pd-list wrote:

Ok, current testing results:

Created and built a new external in Xcode. The external loads and runs as
expected in 0.51-0test2, without throwing any kind of warning.

However, I next used Deken to install
cyclone[v0.4](Darwin-amd64-32)(Darwin-i386-32).dek, and compiled externals from
there run as expected.

Not sure what’s happening : )
Kevin

On May 30, 2020, at 9:35 AM, Miller Puckette wrote:

This is deeply worrisome... it seems like your OS has somehow decided to
ban the externs themselves (irrespective of Pd).

thanks
M

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 12:24:36AM -0700, Kevin Haywood wrote:

For me, on almost-latest macOS (10.15.4, although 10.15.5 just came out), test2
will not load externals at all.

To make matters worse, when I go back to 0.50-2, none of my externals will load
there, either, now that I???ve run test2.

Yikes!
Kevin

On May 29, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Miller Puckette via Pd-announce
wrote:

To Pd-announce:

Pd 0.51-0test2 is up. It should fix the code signing problem in test1 ofr
Macintoshes. No difference from test1 on other OSes.

http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm

cheers
Miller

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.51-0test2 for Macontosh - another try at code signing

Ok, current testing results:

Created and built a new external in Xcode. The external loads and runs as 
expected in 0.51-0test2, without throwing any kind of warning.

The externals that weren’t loading yesterday with 0.51-0test2 suddenly work 
again, in both that version and in 0.50-2. These are externals that I had 
created myself, as well as some that a friend had created and compiled.

However, I next used Deken to install 
zexy[v2.3.0](Darwin-amd64-32)(Linux-amd64-32)(Windows-amd64-32)(Windows-i386-32).dek,
 and Zexy’s compiled externals such as demux and demultiplex can’t be created 
in either 0.51-0test2 or in 0.50-2. No mention appears in System Preferences > 
Security and Privacy.

However, I next used Deken to install 
cyclone[v0.4](Darwin-amd64-32)(Darwin-i386-32).dek, and compiled externals from 
there run as expected.

Not sure what’s happening : )
Kevin


> On May 30, 2020, at 9:35 AM, Miller Puckette  wrote:
> 
> This is deeply worrisome...  it seems like your OS has somehow decided to
> ban the externs themselves (irrespective of Pd).
> 
> Is it feasible for you to either make or download an extern you haven't used
> before and see if an older Pd can at least load that one?  And anyway, are
> these your own externs (that you compiled) that don't load, or downloaded
> externs, or both?
> 
> thanks
> M
> 
> 
> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 12:24:36AM -0700, Kevin Haywood wrote:
>> For me, on almost-latest macOS (10.15.4, although 10.15.5 just came out), 
>> test2 will not load externals at all.
>> 
>> I get the "??? couldn???t create??? message in the Pd Window, but whereas 
>> previously I could quit Pd, go to System Preferences > Security & Privacy 
>> and there would be a little message telling me the last piece of software 
>> that was blocked (and allowing me to unblock it), that message no longer 
>> appears.
>> 
>> To make matters worse, when I go back to 0.50-2, none of my externals will 
>> load there, either, now that I???ve run test2.
>> 
>> Yikes!
>> Kevin
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 29, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Miller Puckette via Pd-announce 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> To Pd-announce:
>>> 
>>> Pd 0.51-0test2 is up.  It should fix the code signing problem in test1 ofr
>>> Macintoshes.  No difference from test1 on other OSes.
>>> 
>>> http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm
>>> 
>>> cheers
>>> Miller
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.51-0test2 for Macontosh - another try at code signing

2020-05-30 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres

Em sáb., 30 de mai. de 2020 às 13:42, Miller Puckette 
escreveu:

> One thing is, you can throw Pd in the trash anytime you want - it'll still
> be easy to get another copy :)
>

hahahah


> Anyhow, I'm curious about the slow load times you're seeing - am I right
> that this is on Catalina?


yup, same computer, but on Mojave (the previous one) I don't see this.
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Re: [PD] compiling pd-0.51-0test2 on mac os 10.14.6


i managed to produce an “ordinary” Pd-0.51.0 app…at least something :-)

yay!

If you want to build a 64 bit Pd, perform the same steps and use the build-mac64
64-bit here means the CPU architecture. On a modern Mac, you will get a 
64-bit Pd by default when you type "make".


But you're asking about single VS double precision, which is not related 
to the CPU architecture at all. In fact, you can have a single precision 
64-bit Pd and a double precision 32-bit Pd. To stress it again: double 
precision Pd != 64-bit Pd.



what is unclear, 1. at which stage and 2.how i specify, that i want a double pd 
to result?
./configure ?
make?


Both are possible!

a) ./configure CPPFLAGS="-DPD_FLOATSIZE=64"

(for all subsequent calls to "make")

b) make CPPFLAGS="-DPD_FLOATSIZE=64"

(only for this call to "make")


Looks like these instructions are still missing in the INSTALL.txt...

Christof

On 30.05.2020 18:15, hans w. koch wrote:

hello,

following the friendly nudging from christof, i tried to install a pd-double on 
my mac.
i tried to follow the “install.txt” provided with the pd-0.51-0test2.src.tar.gz
i managed to produce an “ordinary” Pd-0.51.0 app…at least something :-)

but:
what is unclear, 1. at which stage and 2.how i specify, that i want a double pd 
to result?
./configure ?
make?
make app?

in the mac specific README.txt it says:
If you want to build a 64 bit Pd, perform the same steps and use the build-mac64
script:
   ./build-mac64 0.47-1

which i couldn´t find...

thanks for any pointers!

hans


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.51-0test2 for Macontosh - another try at code signing

2020-05-30 Thread Miller Puckette via Pd-list

One thing is, you can throw Pd in the trash anytime you want - it'll still
be easy to get another copy :)

Anyhow, I'm curious about the slow load times you're seeing - am I right
that this is on Catalina?  If loads on older Mac OSes are slower for some
reason, maybe I can test that on my 10.6 or 10.7 machines :)

Miller

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 01:03:39AM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> Em sex., 29 de mai. de 2020 ??s 23:22, Miller Puckette via Pd-announce <
> pd-annou...@lists.iem.at> escreveu:
> 
> > To Pd-announce:
> >
> > Pd 0.51-0test2 is up.  It should fix the code signing problem in test1 ofr
> > Macintoshes.
> 
> 
> More precisely, Macs on Catalina.
> 
> For me, it still asks to throw pd into the trash the 1st time I try to open
> it, but I guess that's life now, and I still find it takes longes to load
> externals and patches.
> 
> cheers



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[PD] compiling pd-0.51-0test2 on mac os 10.14.6

2020-05-30 Thread hans w . koch

hello,

following the friendly nudging from christof, i tried to install a pd-double on 
my mac.
i tried to follow the “install.txt” provided with the pd-0.51-0test2.src.tar.gz
i managed to produce an “ordinary” Pd-0.51.0 app…at least something :-)

but:
what is unclear, 1. at which stage and 2.how i specify, that i want a double pd 
to result?
./configure ?
make?
make app?

in the mac specific README.txt it says:
If you want to build a 64 bit Pd, perform the same steps and use the build-mac64
script:
  ./build-mac64 0.47-1

which i couldn´t find...

thanks for any pointers!

hans


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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd 0.51-0test2 for Macontosh - another try at code signing

2020-05-30 Thread William Brent

Hi all, thanks very much for this work.

I'm testing on Catalina 10.15.5. I installed Pd-0.51-0test2 when I had
System Integrity Protection and Gatekeeper disabled. I got an initial
warning asking if I wanted to open the software, and a request for
microphone access the first time I turned on DSP. Also got a dialog
confirming that I wanted to allow network comm when loading a patch with
[netsend]/[netreceive]. After that, I've had no issues, and all of the
externals I've tried so far are working with no increased load time that I
can notice. I've used ofelia, tof, hcs, timbreID, and a DSP extern of mine
for a current project - all working fine.

Since that initial run I re-enabled SIP and Gatekeeper to see if that would
affect performance. After reboot, it brought up the above
warning/confirmation dialogs again, but then no problems and still no
increased loading times here.

PS: I happen to have a project that involves lots of TCP messaging between
remote networked players and we're meeting twice weekly these days, so I
can look for any issues related to network performance. And I'm happy to
test/confirm any specific details of this release - I have the
blessing/curse of 3 separate machines running Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS, Mac OS
Catalina, and Windows 10.

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 4:07 AM Kevin Haywood via Pd-list <
pd-list@lists.iem.at> wrote:

> For me, on almost-latest macOS (10.15.4, although 10.15.5 just came out),
> test2 will not load externals at all.
>
> I get the "… couldn’t create” message in the Pd Window, but whereas
> previously I could quit Pd, go to System Preferences > Security & Privacy
> and there would be a little message telling me the last piece of software
> that was blocked (and allowing me to unblock it), that message no longer
> appears.
>
> To make matters worse, when I go back to 0.50-2, none of my externals will
> load there, either, now that I’ve run test2.
>
> Yikes!
> Kevin
>
>
> > On May 29, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Miller Puckette via Pd-announce <
> pd-annou...@lists.iem.at> wrote:
> >
> > To Pd-announce:
> >
> > Pd 0.51-0test2 is up.  It should fix the code signing problem in test1
> ofr
> > Macintoshes.  No difference from test1 on other OSes.
> >
> > http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm
> >
> > cheers
> > Miller
> >
> >
> >
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