Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pmpd v 0.13

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 3/12/24 17:07, cyrille henry wrote:
I don't know about debian package. Is it Iohannes job, 


it is.

or should I do

something?


no.


cmfsadr
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Re: [PD] hid objects on linux/mac/win? hidraw on linux? hidraw parsing?

[Lucas Cordiviola]

On 12/03/2024 13:45, Peter P. wrote:

On Linux I can install [hidraw] 0.1.0 via Deken. The external loads
without errors, but I am not getting any response clicking the
"listdevices" message.


### about [hidraw] ###

strange "listdevices" works for me on Debian (10, 11, 12). Perhaps you 
tested it on a machine without any HID compatible device?.


note that to use the devices you must be a "member of the 'input' users 
group" (or if you want a quick test run Pd as root via `sudo pd`).



How do I parse the output of [hidraw]?


the help patch is plain simple. [hidraw] just outputs a list of floats.

Windows: for OS's security measures you can't access any 'mouse' or 
'keyboard' (gamepads or joysticks will work out-of-the-box).


in general: [hidraw] is rather simple and raw compared to eg. [hidio]. 
you might find [hidraw] unsuitable for your purposes.


###


On Windows there is only [hidraw], correct?


there is also [hidio] 
https://deken.puredata.info/results.html?name=hidio by Martin Peach.






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Re: [PD] RIP Ed Kelly

[Lucas Cordiviola]

On 12/03/2024 12:54, Dan Wilcox wrote:

IMO it's easier to share the maintenance on something like GH, as
opposed to posting zips to puredata.info. OatOH there is no reason not
to do both.



While i totally agree i also think that GH is only for code. Someone 
might think is not fair to use it for music. May be i'm wrong but this 
is why i proposed my git server.



Also none of us has any rights to do anything with EK works. They belong 
to his family of course.





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[PD] hid objects on linux/mac/win? hidraw on linux? hidraw parsing?

[Peter P.]

Dear list,

I am trying to bring my knowledge of hid-related objects up to date for all
three OSes.

On Linux I can install [hid] 0.7 via Deken and use it as a normal user
as a member of the 'input' users group.

On Linux I can install [hidraw] 0.1.0 via Deken. The external loads
without errors, but I am not getting any response clicking the
"listdevices" message.

On OS X there is [hid] 0.7.3 thanks to Albert.
Colleagues have tried to find [hid] for their newer apple cpu's
without success unless they start Pd under the Rosetta emulation and
install Albert's amd64-32 package.
Interestingly there exists a hid Deken package for Darwin-arm64-32
http://deken.puredata.info/library/hid/0.1.0
but it is not displayed in Pd's built-in search engine on OS X as far as
I can remember (maybe someone can check this?).

On Windows there is only [hidraw], correct?

General question:
What would be a reason to prefer [hidraw] over [hid]?
How do I parse the output of [hidraw]?

Thank you for any replies!
best, Peter



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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pmpd v 0.13

[Peter P.]

* cyrille henry  [2024-03-12 17:08]:
> I don't know about debian package. Is it Iohannes job, or should I do 
> something?
I am not sure. I filed a bug report earlier this year to initiate a
package update at
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1060212

The package info page at
https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/pd-pmpd
lists our dear brave and hard working IOhannes as one of three
maintainers.

I am not sure how the packaging process works and if you, Cyrille, need
to do something specific.

best, P



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Re: [PD] spring modeling/scanned synthesis

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

Em sáb., 24 de fev. de 2024 às 11:42, cyrille henry  escreveu:

> Here is the most simple usable structure : a mass and a link.
> it look like a 2nd order resonant filter.
> now, the challenge is to find the equation that compute K and D from
> frequency and attenuation time.
>
> cheers
>

Ok, finally testing this with the new release. I could mess with it and
feed it impulses and it does sound and look like my damp.osc~ object, but
the parameters are really hard for me to understand and control, and maybe
the decay curve is not exactly the same...

but yeah, it surely is a resonant filter! Interesting.

cheers


> c
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pmpd v 0.13

[cyrille henry]

I don't know about debian package. Is it Iohannes job, or should I do something?
cheers
c


Le 12/03/2024 à 16:47, Peter P. a écrit :

Génial! Thanks to Benjamin and to you Cyrille! Hope it will be be
packaged as updated pd-pmpd for Debian in addition to the Deken
release.

best, P

* cyrille henry  [2024-03-11 15:11]:

Hello,

Thanks to all the help provide by Benjamin Wesch, pmpd (Physical Modelling for 
Pure Data) version 0.13 is ready.


pmpd aim to provide physical modelling (mass/spring system) simulation to 
control data in natural ways. Audio synthesis is also possible, now in 2d or 3d 
thanks to the new objects : pmpd2d~ and pmpd3d~.

It's on deken.

Cheers
Cyrille



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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pmpd v 0.13

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

thanks, all good now!

Em ter., 12 de mar. de 2024 às 04:39, cyrille henry  escreveu:

> I just upload a 0.13.1 release (mac only) to deken with Benjamin fix for
> old mac.
> cheers
> c
>
>
> Le 11/03/2024 à 18:56, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
> > it's an intel chip, I don't have any apple silicon yet. BTW, just tried
> this in my macbook pro from 2018, same OS (10.14.6) and I have the exact
> same problem.
> >
> > Em seg., 11 de mar. de 2024 às 14:19, cyrille henry  > escreveu:
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 11/03/2024 à 17:58, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
> >  > Nice, but I'm getting errors on my 2013 macbook air on 10.14.6
> > what architecture is your macbook?
> > cheers
> > c
> >
> >  >
> >  > opening pmpd-help.pd gives me
> >  >
> >  >
> /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd2d.d_fat:dlopen(/Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd2d.d_fat,
> 10): no suitable image found.  Did find:
> >  > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd2d.d_fat: cannot
> load 'pmpd2d.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
> >  > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd2d.d_fat: cannot
> load 'pmpd2d.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
> >  > pmpd2d
> >  > ... couldn't create
> >  >
> /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd3d.d_fat:dlopen(/Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd3d.d_fat,
> 10): no suitable image found.  Did find:
> >  > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd3d.d_fat: cannot
> load 'pmpd3d.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
> >  > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd3d.d_fat: cannot
> load 'pmpd3d.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
> >  > pmpd3d
> >  > ... couldn't create
> >  >
> /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat:dlopen(/Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat,
> 10): no suitable image found.  Did find:
> >  > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat: cannot load
> 'pmpd.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
> >  > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat: cannot load
> 'pmpd.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
> >  >
> /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat:dlopen(/Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat,
> 10): no suitable image found.  Did find:
> >  > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat: cannot load
> 'pmpd.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
> >  > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat: cannot load
> 'pmpd.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
> >  > pmpd
> >  > ... couldn't create
> >  >
> /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat:dlopen(/Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat,
> 10): no suitable image found.  Did find:
> >  > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat: cannot load
> 'pmpd.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
> >  > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat: cannot load
> 'pmpd.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
> >  >
> /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat:dlopen(/Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat,
> 10): no suitable image found.  Did find:
> >  > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat: cannot load
> 'pmpd.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
> >  > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat: cannot load
> 'pmpd.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
> >  > pmpd
> >  > ... couldn't create
> >  >
> >  > Em seg., 11 de mar. de 2024 às 11:11, cyrille henry   >>
> escreveu:
> >  >
> >  > Hello,
> >  >
> >  > Thanks to all the help provide by Benjamin Wesch, pmpd
> (Physical Modelling for Pure Data) version 0.13 is ready.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > pmpd aim to provide physical modelling (mass/spring system)
> simulation to control data in natural ways. Audio synthesis is also
> possible, now in 2d or 3d thanks to the new objects : pmpd2d~ and pmpd3d~.
> >  >
> >  > It's on deken.
> >  >
> >  > Cheers
> >  > Cyrille
> >  >
> >  >
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Re: [PD] RIP Ed Kelly

[Dan Wilcox]

IMO it's easier to share the maintenance on something like GH, as opposed to 
posting zips to puredata.info. OatOH there is no reason not to do both.

enohp ym morf tnes
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danomatika.com
robotcowboy.com


> On Mar 12, 2024, at 4:33 PM, Peter P.  wrote:
> 
> Dan, Lucas, thanks for your efforts! Why not host on puredata.info?
> cheersz, P
> 
> * Dan Wilcox  [2024-03-12 08:42]:
>> Thanks for spreading the post.
>> 
>> I was also thinking we should consider preserving the metastudio patches and
>> externals somewhere, perhaps on the pd-externals GitHub group, as with 
>> mrpeach.
>> Who knows how long the website will remain up.
>> 
>> enohp ym morf tnes
>> ---
>> Dan Wilcox
>> danomatika.com
>> robotcowboy.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>On Mar 12, 2024, at 6:02 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres 
>>wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>pd-l2ork , 11 de mar. de 2024 às 16:00, Dan Wilcox 
>>escreveu:
>> 
>>@Alex: Is there a condolences page to write to, specifically not on
>>Facebook, etc? Maybe we can all write something to show his touch
>>beyond in-person relationships.
>> 
>> 
>>Sorry, I missed this. I had posted your nice entry on the Pd facebook 
>> page,
>>where the said news was given.
>> 
>>https://www.facebook.com/groups/puredata
>> 
>>this is his facebook profile https://www.facebook.com/ed.kelly.35574
>> 
>>And this is Tehomas, who gave the news https://www.facebook.com/tehomas I
>>know he'd be happy to forward messages to the family, I had also sent yout
>>nice post to him via a direct message
>> 
>>While we're at it, I fear if his work eventually vanishes from the online
>>world. We should download, keep it and host it somewhere to be safe maybe?
>> 
>>cheers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>It's a great shame, I remember him with great joy, I still 
>> remember
>>the
>>anecdote about the dog. A great guy.
>>:/
>>Jos?
>> 
>> 
>>@Jos?: What was the anecdote?
>> 
>> 
>>On Mar 10, 2024, at 11:18 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
>> 
>>Message: 1
>>Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 14:49:26 -0300
>>From: Alexandre Torres Porres 
>>To: Pd-List 
>>Subject: [PD] RIP Ed Kelly
>>Message-ID:
>>
>> >> 
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>>Tehomas Bow on facebook gave us the bad news. He had a stroke and
>>fell, got
>>injured and passed away this friday. He leaves us soon, just 
>> before
>>turning
>>50. Ed was quite a fun character, I loved him, he'll be missed.
>>Rest in
>>Peace.
>> 
>>* March 29th, 1974
>>? March 8th, 2024
>> 
>> 
>>
>>Dan Wilcox
>>danomatika.com
>>robotcowboy.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pmpd v 0.13

[Peter P.]

Génial! Thanks to Benjamin and to you Cyrille! Hope it will be be
packaged as updated pd-pmpd for Debian in addition to the Deken
release.

best, P

* cyrille henry  [2024-03-11 15:11]:
> Hello,
> 
> Thanks to all the help provide by Benjamin Wesch, pmpd (Physical Modelling 
> for Pure Data) version 0.13 is ready.
> 
> 
> pmpd aim to provide physical modelling (mass/spring system) simulation to 
> control data in natural ways. Audio synthesis is also possible, now in 2d or 
> 3d thanks to the new objects : pmpd2d~ and pmpd3d~.
> 
> It's on deken.
> 
> Cheers
> Cyrille
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] RIP Ed Kelly

[Peter P.]

Dan, Lucas, thanks for your efforts! Why not host on puredata.info?
cheersz, P

* Dan Wilcox  [2024-03-12 08:42]:
> Thanks for spreading the post.
> 
> I was also thinking we should consider preserving the metastudio patches and
> externals somewhere, perhaps on the pd-externals GitHub group, as with 
> mrpeach.
> Who knows how long the website will remain up.
> 
> enohp ym morf tnes
> ---
> Dan Wilcox
> danomatika.com
> robotcowboy.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 12, 2024, at 6:02 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> pd-l2ork , 11 de mar. de 2024 às 16:00, Dan Wilcox 
> escreveu:
> 
> @Alex: Is there a condolences page to write to, specifically not on
> Facebook, etc? Maybe we can all write something to show his touch
> beyond in-person relationships.
> 
> 
> Sorry, I missed this. I had posted your nice entry on the Pd facebook 
> page,
> where the said news was given.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/puredata
> 
> this is his facebook profile https://www.facebook.com/ed.kelly.35574
> 
> And this is Tehomas, who gave the news https://www.facebook.com/tehomas I
> know he'd be happy to forward messages to the family, I had also sent yout
> nice post to him via a direct message 
> 
> While we're at it, I fear if his work eventually vanishes from the online
> world. We should download, keep it and host it somewhere to be safe maybe?
> 
> cheers
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> It's a great shame, I remember him with great joy, I still 
> remember
> the
> anecdote about the dog. A great guy.
> :/
> Jos?
> 
> 
> @Jos?: What was the anecdote?
> 
> 
> On Mar 10, 2024, at 11:18 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 14:49:26 -0300
> From: Alexandre Torres Porres 
> To: Pd-List 
> Subject: [PD] RIP Ed Kelly
> Message-ID:
> 
>  >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Tehomas Bow on facebook gave us the bad news. He had a stroke and
> fell, got
> injured and passed away this friday. He leaves us soon, just 
> before
> turning
> 50. Ed was quite a fun character, I loved him, he'll be missed.
> Rest in
> Peace.
> 
> * March 29th, 1974
> ? March 8th, 2024
> 
> 
> 
> Dan Wilcox
> danomatika.com
> robotcowboy.com
> 
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Re: [PD] RIP Ed Kelly

[Christof Ressi]

What a tragedy. My deep condolences to his friends and family. I haven't 
really known Ed, just heard stories about him, but it is great to see 
that Dan, you and others care so much for him and try to preserve his work!


On 10.03.2024 18:49, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Tehomas Bow on facebook gave us the bad news. He had a stroke and 
fell, got injured and passed away this friday. He leaves us soon, just 
before turning 50. Ed was quite a fun character, I loved him, he'll be 
missed. Rest in Peace.


* March 29th, 1974
† March 8th, 2024

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Re: [PD] RIP Ed Kelly

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Thanks for spreading the post.I was also thinking we should consider preserving the metastudio patches and externals somewhere, perhaps on the pd-externals GitHub group, as with mrpeach. Who knows how long the website will remain up.enohp ym morf tnes---Dan Wilcoxdanomatika.comrobotcowboy.comOn Mar 12, 2024, at 6:02 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres  wrote:pd-l2ork , 11 de mar. de 2024 às 16:00, Dan Wilcox  escreveu:@Alex: Is there a condolences page to write to, specifically not on Facebook, etc? Maybe we can all write something to show his touch beyond in-person relationships.Sorry, I missed this. I had posted your nice entry on the Pd facebook page, where the said news was given.https://www.facebook.com/groups/puredatathis is his facebook profile https://www.facebook.com/ed.kelly.35574And this is Tehomas, who gave the news https://www.facebook.com/tehomas I know he'd be happy to forward messages to the family, I had also sent yout nice post to him via a direct message While we're at it, I fear if his work eventually vanishes from the online world. We should download, keep it and host it somewhere to be safe maybe?cheers It's a great shame, I remember him with great joy, I still remember theanecdote about the dog. A great guy.:/Jos?@Jos?: What was the anecdote?On Mar 10, 2024, at 11:18 PM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:Message: 1Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 14:49:26 -0300From: Alexandre Torres Porres To: Pd-List Subject: [PD] RIP Ed KellyMessage-ID:	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Tehomas Bow on facebook gave us the bad news. He had a stroke and fell, gotinjured and passed away this friday. He leaves us soon, just before turning50. Ed was quite a fun character, I loved him, he'll be missed. Rest inPeace.* March 29th, 1974? March 8th, 2024
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pmpd v 0.13

[cyrille henry]

I just upload a 0.13.1 release (mac only) to deken with Benjamin fix for old 
mac.
cheers
c


Le 11/03/2024 à 18:56, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :

it's an intel chip, I don't have any apple silicon yet. BTW, just tried this in 
my macbook pro from 2018, same OS (10.14.6) and I have the exact same problem.

Em seg., 11 de mar. de 2024 às 14:19, cyrille henry mailto:c...@chnry.net>> escreveu:



Le 11/03/2024 à 17:58, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
 > Nice, but I'm getting errors on my 2013 macbook air on 10.14.6
what architecture is your macbook?
cheers
c

 >
 > opening pmpd-help.pd gives me
 >
 > 
/Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd2d.d_fat:dlopen(/Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd2d.d_fat,
 10): no suitable image found.  Did find:
 > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd2d.d_fat: cannot load 
'pmpd2d.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
 > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd2d.d_fat: cannot load 
'pmpd2d.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
 > pmpd2d
 > ... couldn't create
 > 
/Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd3d.d_fat:dlopen(/Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd3d.d_fat,
 10): no suitable image found.  Did find:
 > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd3d.d_fat: cannot load 
'pmpd3d.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
 > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd3d.d_fat: cannot load 
'pmpd3d.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
 > pmpd3d
 > ... couldn't create
 > 
/Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat:dlopen(/Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat,
 10): no suitable image found.  Did find:
 > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat: cannot load 
'pmpd.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
 > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat: cannot load 
'pmpd.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
 > 
/Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat:dlopen(/Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat,
 10): no suitable image found.  Did find:
 > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat: cannot load 
'pmpd.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
 > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat: cannot load 
'pmpd.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
 > pmpd
 > ... couldn't create
 > 
/Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat:dlopen(/Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat,
 10): no suitable image found.  Did find:
 > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat: cannot load 
'pmpd.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
 > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat: cannot load 
'pmpd.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
 > 
/Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat:dlopen(/Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat,
 10): no suitable image found.  Did find:
 > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat: cannot load 
'pmpd.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
 > /Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals/pmpd/pmpd.d_fat: cannot load 
'pmpd.d_fat' (load command 0x8034 is unknown)
 > pmpd
 > ... couldn't create
 >
 > Em seg., 11 de mar. de 2024 às 11:11, cyrille henry mailto:c...@chnry.net> >> escreveu:
 >
 >     Hello,
 >
 >     Thanks to all the help provide by Benjamin Wesch, pmpd (Physical 
Modelling for Pure Data) version 0.13 is ready.
 >
 >
 >     pmpd aim to provide physical modelling (mass/spring system) 
simulation to control data in natural ways. Audio synthesis is also possible, now 
in 2d or 3d thanks to the new objects : pmpd2d~ and pmpd3d~.
 >
 >     It's on deken.
 >
 >     Cheers
 >     Cyrille
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