Re: [PD] Raspberry Pi 5 - config.txt (off topic)

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Le 02/06/2024 à 11:38, Ingo a écrit :


Sorry for asking some off topic question about the Rasberry Pi 5.

Does anyone know where I can find a lsiting of ALL commands for the 
Raspberry Pi 5 config.txt?


I have been unable to find out so far what I'm looking for . . .

Here 
 
and more generally there 
.


What I want to do is turning off the power on the RPi 5 PCIe.

I need the PCIe powered externally to be able to boot from SATA or USB 
when not supplying power to the PCIe.


Thanks for any suggestions!

Ingo


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Re: [PD] Deken not showing ELSE external and others on Raspberry Pi with Debian 12

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Le 04/02/2024 à 05:49, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
I see, while we're at it, can I ask you to help me compiling just 
[plaits~], [circuit~], [sfz~] and [sfont~] for the needed 
architectures as soon as I have an official release out in a couple of 
days?

Yes, of course.


And out of the  'Linux-arm64-32 / Linux-armv7-32 / Linux-armv6-32', 
which one should I not use?

Frankly, I don't know enough about that.
This should be discussed with people understanding how Pd/Deken is 
working for determining which RPi OS/HW platform is in use.


What I have done on my RPi 400 regarding myself compiled Pd versions 
from 0.53-0 to 0.54-1:

- Pd/Deken installed under RPi OS 11 32-bit
  Default platform 'Linux-armv6-32' => User defined-platform 
'Linux-arm7-32'

- Pd/Deken installed under RPi OS 12 64-bit (only Pd 0.54-1)
  Default platform 'Linux-armv8-32' => User defined-platform 
'Linux-arm64-32'
  And for your externals I have compiled Else 1.0-0 rc-10, including 
the above 4 [*~] objects, from the source code and installed manually 
Cyclone from the unzipped 'cyclone-0.8.0_armv8_Linux64.zip'.
- If not and in both OS versions only very few and old externals were 
found by Pd/Deken.


thanks
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Em sáb., 3 de fev. de 2024 às 16:07, Linux Rouen Normandie 
 escreveu:


What I said about 2 months ago is:
- At that time the main used RPi OS was/is v.11 32-bit (based on
Debian Bullseye).
- This OS was/is largely used on all RPi H/W, either 32-bit and/or
64-bit capable.

Since RPi OS 12 64-bit (based on Debian Bookworm) became official
on 11th Oct. 2023

<https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/bookworm-the-new-version-of-raspberry-pi-os/>,
this one will slowly but surely replace RPi OS 11/12 32-bit on the
compatible hardware; i.e. 3B, 3B+, 3A+, 4B, 400, 5, CM3, CM3+,
CM4, CM4S, and Zero 2 W.

My RPi 400 (4 GB RAM) has a chip-set which can run both 32 and
64-bit OSs.
Up to about 2 months ago I was only running under RPi OS 11
32-bit, as recommended by the RPi Foundation (64-bit was not
considered as being enough completed).
Now I'm also running under RPi OS 12 64-bit but this one is still
buggy vs. the previous 32-bit version.

Regarding Pd/Deken (I built it from the source code), I was
obliged for both RPi OS 11 32-bit and RPi OS 12 64-bit to change
the default platform to a user-defined platform to be able to get
access to a larger externals offer.

During my Pd 0.54-1 compilation under RPi OS 12 64-bit I got:
pd 0.54.1 is now configured
    Platform: Linux
    Float size:   default
    ...
    Deken identifier: linux-arm64
    ...

After my today RPi OS 12 64-bit system update, I have:
    OS: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) aarch64
    Host: Raspberry Pi 400 Rev 1.0
    Kernel: 6.1.0-_rpi8_-rpi-v8
                -when just few hours ago I had-
    OS: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) aarch64
    Host: Raspberry Pi 400 Rev 1.0
    Kernel: 6.1.0-_rpi7_-rpi-v8
          -when just after this OS installation I had-
    OS: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) aarch64
    Host: Raspberry Pi 400 Rev 1.0
    Kernel: 6.1.0-_rpi6_-rpi-v8

I hope this clarifies a little bit my previous writings. 

The Pd/Deken platform detection issue remains open.
- - - - - - - - -

Le 03/02/2024 à 16:18, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :


On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 at 09:55 Linux Rouen Normandie
 wrote:

Well - well, who said I have said that !? 


I can clearly be wrong with what you said, but then explain again
please :) I just remember something that you mentioned armv8 64
bits is really rare


Now on my RPi 400, I'm running since few weeks the latest RPi
OS 12 64-bit (Debian Bookworm).
At least up to few weeks ago Else was not available for this
platform, except the old v.1.0-0 rc-6.

This why for each release I 'm building Else from its source
code including the missing 4 objects [sfont~], [circuit~],
[sfz~] and [plaits~].

Here my understanding is for seeing the available librairies
in Deken we need to change the Default platform
'Linux-armv8-32' to the User defined-platform 'Linux-arm64-32'.
See the attached screen capture.


But shouldn’t it get it right without this?


Best,
Joseph
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Le 03/02/2024 à 07:39, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :

Hi, to add  on the discussion, Francisco talked to me in
private and I asked him to bring this to the list.

First, I stopped offering raspberry pi binaries for amv8 for
a while now. Joseph (Linux ROUEN Normandie) said that that
it'd be really rare for someone to use it, and Francisco is
using it and needs it, so I'd like to get this straight.
Apparently I s

Re: [PD] Deken not showing ELSE external and others on Raspberry Pi with Debian 12

[Linux Rouen Normandie]

What I said about 2 months ago is:
- At that time the main used RPi OS was/is v.11 32-bit (based on Debian 
Bullseye).
- This OS was/is largely used on all RPi H/W, either 32-bit and/or 
64-bit capable.


Since RPi OS 12 64-bit (based on Debian Bookworm) became official on 
11th Oct. 2023 
<https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/bookworm-the-new-version-of-raspberry-pi-os/>, 
this one will slowly but surely replace RPi OS 11/12 32-bit on the 
compatible hardware; i.e. 3B, 3B+, 3A+, 4B, 400, 5, CM3, CM3+, CM4, 
CM4S, and Zero 2 W.


My RPi 400 (4 GB RAM) has a chip-set which can run both 32 and 64-bit OSs.
Up to about 2 months ago I was only running under RPi OS 11 32-bit, as 
recommended by the RPi Foundation (64-bit was not considered as being 
enough completed).
Now I'm also running under RPi OS 12 64-bit but this one is still buggy 
vs. the previous 32-bit version.


Regarding Pd/Deken (I built it from the source code), I was obliged for 
both RPi OS 11 32-bit and RPi OS 12 64-bit to change the default 
platform to a user-defined platform to be able to get access to a larger 
externals offer.


During my Pd 0.54-1 compilation under RPi OS 12 64-bit I got:
pd 0.54.1 is now configured
    Platform: Linux
    Float size:   default
    ...
    Deken identifier: linux-arm64
    ...

After my today RPi OS 12 64-bit system update, I have:
    OS: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) aarch64
    Host: Raspberry Pi 400 Rev 1.0
    Kernel: 6.1.0-_rpi8_-rpi-v8
                -when just few hours ago I had-
    OS: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) aarch64
    Host: Raspberry Pi 400 Rev 1.0
    Kernel: 6.1.0-_rpi7_-rpi-v8
          -when just after this OS installation I had-
    OS: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) aarch64
    Host: Raspberry Pi 400 Rev 1.0
    Kernel: 6.1.0-_rpi6_-rpi-v8

I hope this clarifies a little bit my previous writings. 

The Pd/Deken platform detection issue remains open.
- - - - - - - - -

Le 03/02/2024 à 16:18, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :


On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 at 09:55 Linux Rouen Normandie 
 wrote:


Well - well, who said I have said that !? 


I can clearly be wrong with what you said, but then explain again 
please :) I just remember something that you mentioned armv8 64 bits 
is really rare



Now on my RPi 400, I'm running since few weeks the latest RPi OS
12 64-bit (Debian Bookworm).
At least up to few weeks ago Else was not available for this
platform, except the old v.1.0-0 rc-6.

This why for each release I 'm building Else from its source code
including the missing 4 objects [sfont~], [circuit~], [sfz~] and
[plaits~].

Here my understanding is for seeing the available librairies in
Deken we need to change the Default platform 'Linux-armv8-32' to
the User defined-platform 'Linux-arm64-32'.
See the attached screen capture.


But shouldn’t it get it right without this?


Best,
Joseph
--

Le 03/02/2024 à 07:39, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :

Hi, to add  on the discussion, Francisco talked to me in private
and I asked him to bring this to the list.

First, I stopped offering raspberry pi binaries for amv8 for a
while now. Joseph (Linux ROUEN Normandie) said that that it'd be
really rare for someone to use it, and Francisco is using it and
needs it, so I'd like to get this straight. Apparently I should
bother and offer these binaries again. Francisco, do you know why
you need this and not something else? Joseph, can you join in the
discussion and tell us again why this should not be necessary?

Last release I have with 'armv8' binaries is rc6, still up in
deken. Francisco confirmed they work, but it doesn't show up for
him! I am now about to release rc11, and I keep only the 5 last
releases in the serve so I don't take too much space, so rc6 is
about to be deleted. I just uploaded (after Francisco's email)
rc11 binaries for pi (armv6, armv7 and armv8). It's up in
deken... I dont think I need the 3 of them, but is seems I need
at least 2, right?

Now, these uploaded packagee misses 4 objects, [sfont~],
[circuit~], [sfz~] and [plaits~]. I need help compiling them for
armv8 and whatever ELSE I need to provide, so what we have up
there now is just a *test* until we can figure things out. The
dekn system uploaded the packages as 'Linux-arm64-32
/ Linux-armv7-32 / Linux-armv6-32'. Francisco seems to need
'Linux-arm64-32', ('armv8'), and it doesn't show.

Em sex., 2 de fev. de 2024 às 21:50, Francisco Medeiros
 escreveu:

 Deken is not showing the ELSE external, nor many other
externals available for Linux-Arm64-32.

see?

When starting deken says Platform detected:
Linux-aarch64-float32" and "Platform re-detected:
Linux-armv8-float32".


Why both? Now I wonder that maybe it should have detected 
'Linux-arm64-32' 

Re: [PD] Can't load iemmatrix lib

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Thanks IOhannes for your explanations.
So, I will leave with both paths thus this warning.

By the way my Pd 0.54-1 is not a one complied by my self, it could be by 
you which is a great thing for always getting the latest version of Pd 
thru this PPA on launchpad.net:

- Name: puredata / Version: 0.54.1+ds-2~ubuntu22.04~ppa1 :-)

As you know very well, currently Linux Mint 21.3 / Ubuntu 22.04.4 LTS 
only propose the old puredata_0.52.1+ds0-1_all.deb package.


Best,
Joseph


Le 19/01/2024 à 10:25, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :

On 1/18/24 19:59, Linux ROUEN Normandie wrote:


So, I do need to declare both '/usr/lib/pd/extra' and 
'/usr/lib/puredata/extra' paths in my Pd Preferences.


ah, you are using a self-compiled Pd, rather than the one that comes 
with Debian/Ubuntu/your distro.


in this case: yes, you have to live with this warning.
(the Pd from Debian does not have this warning, and it automatically 
searches the two paths).



or maybe, you could create a ticket (https://bugs.puredata.info) about 
this warning (the "problem" is that if you have two search paths that 
end with the same word (e.g. "/path/to/libraries" and 
"/path/to/more/libraries") then the help browser wrongly complains.


the idea why it complains in the first place is that if you have 
libraries with the same name and the same objects in multiple places 
(e.g. "/path/to/libraries/zexy/rad2deg.pd" and 
"/path/to/more/libraries/zexy/rad2deg.pd") you might get confused 
which [rad2deg] you are actually using.


gdsar
IOhannes

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Re: [PD] Can't load iemmatrix lib

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For the dummy guy I am, the problem -if problem- is:
WARNING: duplicate 'extra' library found!
  '/usr/lib/pd/extra' is active
  '/usr/lib/puredata/extra' is a duplicate

If I remove the 2nd path in Pd Preferences then:
  sigmund~  ... couldn't create
  bonk~  ... couldn't create
  choice  ... couldn't create
  hilbert~  ... couldn't create
  complex-mod~  ... couldn't create
  loop~  ... couldn't create
  lrshift~  ... couldn't create
  pd~  ... couldn't create
  rev1~  ... couldn't create
  rev2~  ... couldn't create
  rev3~  ... couldn't create
  stdout  ... couldn't create
  bob~  ... couldn't create
  fiddle~  ... couldn't create
  pique  ... couldn't create
  warning -- 'template' (pd-help-intro.pd) is obsolete; replace with 
'struct'


So, I do need to declare both '/usr/lib/pd/extra' and 
'/usr/lib/puredata/extra' paths in my Pd Preferences.


Joseph


Le 18/01/2024 à 19:14, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :

On 1/18/24 17:29, Linux ROUEN Normandie wrote:


Why not to have all of 'usr/lib/pd/extra' into 
'/usr/lib/puredata/extra'?




that's by design (and comes from the olden days, when Pd-extended was 
still a thing a,d somebody thought about packaging it).


And of course I'm using my own '/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals' path 
for the externals downloaded thru Deken.




yes. but what is the problem?

gfmdsa
IOhannes

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Re: [PD] Can't load iemmatrix lib

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Yes-yes, effectively is much better by installing directly 
'pd-iemmatrix' from the system package manager:

iemmatrix 0.3.2
    objects for manipulating 2d-matrices
    (c) 2001-2015 iem
    IOhannes m zmölnig
    Thomas Musil
    Franz Zotter
    compiled Dec  7 2021 : 17:39:48

But it's putting it in '/lib/pd/extra/iemmatrix' and not (I can dream) 
in my default '/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/iemmatrix' externals path 
(so I have deleted it).

And I have made the necessary changes in my Pd Preferences.

A minor point when opening the [iemmatrix] help it seems that the 
'test.mtx' file (load and save matrices) is missing:

   test.mtx: can't open
   [matrix]: failed to read

Note: There is actually on my Linux Mint 21.3 system two '/extra' 
folders created by either Pd / Pure Data or some externals:

- /usr/lib/pd/extra + 0 files
  /usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem
  /usr/lib/pd/extra/iemmatrix
  /usr/lib/pd/extra/pix_drum
  /usr/lib/pd/extra/pix_fiducialtrack
  /usr/lib/pd/extra/pix_hit
  /usr/lib/pd/extra/pix_mano

- /usr/lib/puredata/extra + 15 files
  /usr/lib/puredata/extra/bob~
  /usr/lib/puredata/extra/bonk~
  /usr/lib/puredata/extra/choice
  /usr/lib/puredata/extra/fiddle~
  /usr/lib/puredata/extra/loop~
  /usr/lib/puredata/extra/lrshift~
  /usr/lib/puredata/extra/pd~
  /usr/lib/puredata/extra/pique
  /usr/lib/puredata/extra/sigmund~
  /usr/lib/puredata/extra/stdout

Why not to have all of 'usr/lib/pd/extra' into '/usr/lib/puredata/extra'?

And of course I'm using my own '/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals' path for 
the externals downloaded thru Deken.


Thanks,
Joseph


Le 18/01/2024 à 14:13, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :

On 1/18/24 12:25, Linux ROUEN Normandie wrote:
Same issue here with 'iemmatrix' library (0.3.3 as of 2023/07/19 thru 
Deken) under Linux Mint 21.3 (Ubuntu 22.04-4 base) / Pd 0.54-1:
"/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/iemmatrix/iemmatrix.pd_linux:libgsl.so.25: 


cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory".

But 'libgsl25' is not available under my system (neither apt nor 
Synaptic), only 'libgsl27' (2.7.1+dfsg-3) is.


since the problem is exactly the same as described by Alexandros, the 
answer is exactly the same as well.


(ah well: replace "Debian" with "Ubuntu", or your distribution of 
choice; and replace the version number "12" with any version of your 
distribution that ships libgsl!=25 and "11" with any version of your 
distribution that ships libgsl==25).


and peter's advice goes for Ubuntu as well:
just install the pd-iemmatrix package via apt (or your preferred 
package manager of your distribution).


and finally: if you prefer to install all packages via deken, you 
might want to try to install the (somewhat experimental) 
"pd-deken-apt" package, which allows you to install your Debian 
packaged externals through deken (it's really just a replacement of 
synaptics for Pd packages)


hfdmsrt
KIOhannes

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Re: [PD] Can't load iemmatrix lib

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Same issue here with 'iemmatrix' library (0.3.3 as of 2023/07/19 thru 
Deken) under Linux Mint 21.3 (Ubuntu 22.04-4 base) / Pd 0.54-1:

"/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/iemmatrix/iemmatrix.pd_linux:libgsl.so.25:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory".

But 'libgsl25' is not available under my system (neither apt nor 
Synaptic), only 'libgsl27' (2.7.1+dfsg-3) is.


Joseph Gastelais


Le 18/01/2024 à 08:09, IOhannes m zmoelnig a écrit :

On 1/18/24 07:57, Alexandros Drymonitis wrote:


On 1/18/24 08:56, Alexandros Drymonitis wrote:


On 1/18/24 08:53, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

On 1/18/24 07:46, Alexandros Drymonitis wrote:
The funny thing is that I did install libgsl27 manually with 
apt-get, after I read the error I got in Pd, but it still didn't 
work with the Deken version.


[...]

/home/alex/Documents/Pd/externals/iemmatrix/iemmatrix.pd_linux:libgsl.so.25: 


cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory


well, it seems that the iemmatrix from deken was linked against 
libgsl25, so installing libgsl27 doesn't really help to resolve 
this dependency.
Yeah, makes sense. Does this mean that the deken version of 
iemmatrix needs to be updated?


depends.
if the target platform is Debian 12, then yes.
if the target platform is Debian 11, then no.


i've opened https://git.iem.at/pd/iemmatrix/-/issues/7

I'm writing this because my system could only detect libgsl27, and 
not libgsl25.
sure, the world evolves. Debian does not ship all versions of GSL ever 
released (and that's a good thing)


g,mads
IOhannes


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Re: [PD] Tips for compiling Pd 0.54-1 & Else 1.0-0 rc-10 external under a Fresh installation of RPi OS 12 Bookworm 64-bit

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Here is the LINK <https://transfert.free.fr/iT5YRA3> for my 
'else_1.0-0_rc-10_rpios-12-64b.zip' file.

This link will be available for 14 days.

Joseph
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Le 10/12/2023 à 20:21, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :

great, let me have it :)

Em dom., 10 de dez. de 2023 às 14:34, Linux Rouen Normandie 
 escreveu:


As of today both are not directly available, Pd 0.54-1 in RPi
repos and
Else 1.0-0 rc-10 in Deken, so we have to compile them on our RPis.
Prior starting the Linux procedures you will have to add some
packages
to a fresh RPi OS 12 64-bit (Release 5.1 December 2023) from its
Add/Remove Software.

1- Pd 0.54-1
Download its source:
https://msp.ucsd.edu/Software/pd-0.54-1.src.tar.gz .
Then add some packages (in my case) to RPi OS from its Add/Remove
Software:
- libasound2-dev,
- autotools-dev, and
- libjack-jackd2 + libjack-jackd2-dev, if you want to use JACK.
Follow the compilation and installation instructions found in this
link:
https://msp.ucsd.edu/Pd_documentation/x6.htm .
Last but not least, in Pd menu -> Help -> Find externals -> Deken
menu
-> Edit -> Preferences change Default platform: Linux-armv8-32 -to-
User-defined platform: Linux-arm64-32.

2- Else 1.0-0 rc-10
Download its source:
https://github.com/porres/pd-else/archive/refs/tags/v.1.0-rc10.tar.gz
.
Then add some packages (in my case) to RPi OS from its Add/Remove
Software:
- libfluidsynth3 + libfluidsynth-dev, and
- cmake + cmake-data.
Follow the building and installation instructions found in this link:
https://github.com/porres/pd-else#installing-else .

Everything is running smoothly, except my overclocked RPi 400 is
reaching its graphical ressource limits when using to much GOPs in
the
same patch.

Thanks to IOhannes et Alexandre.
Joseph Gastelais

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[PD] Tips for compiling Pd 0.54-1 & Else 1.0-0 rc-10 external under a Fresh installation of RPi OS 12 Bookworm 64-bit

[Linux Rouen Normandie]

As of today both are not directly available, Pd 0.54-1 in RPi repos and 
Else 1.0-0 rc-10 in Deken, so we have to compile them on our RPis.
Prior starting the Linux procedures you will have to add some packages 
to a fresh RPi OS 12 64-bit (Release 5.1 December 2023) from its 
Add/Remove Software.


1- Pd 0.54-1
Download its source: https://msp.ucsd.edu/Software/pd-0.54-1.src.tar.gz .
Then add some packages (in my case) to RPi OS from its Add/Remove Software:
- libasound2-dev,
- autotools-dev, and
- libjack-jackd2 + libjack-jackd2-dev, if you want to use JACK.
Follow the compilation and installation instructions found in this link: 
https://msp.ucsd.edu/Pd_documentation/x6.htm .
Last but not least, in Pd menu -> Help -> Find externals -> Deken menu 
-> Edit -> Preferences change Default platform: Linux-armv8-32 -to- 
User-defined platform: Linux-arm64-32.


2- Else 1.0-0 rc-10
Download its source: 
https://github.com/porres/pd-else/archive/refs/tags/v.1.0-rc10.tar.gz .

Then add some packages (in my case) to RPi OS from its Add/Remove Software:
- libfluidsynth3 + libfluidsynth-dev, and
- cmake + cmake-data.
Follow the building and installation instructions found in this link: 
https://github.com/porres/pd-else#installing-else .


Everything is running smoothly, except my overclocked RPi 400 is 
reaching its graphical ressource limits when using to much GOPs in the 
same patch.


Thanks to IOhannes et Alexandre.
Joseph Gastelais



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Re: [PD] Pd 0.54-1 Compilation: ALSA Errors under RPi OS 12 Bookworm with PipeWire

[Linux Rouen Normandie]

Thank you IOhannes,

I have missed this libasound2-dev-1.2.8-1 package among some others 
which were also missing like autotools-dev-20220109.11, 
libjack-jackd2-dev-1.9.21 and few others.
Now Pd 0.54-1 is well compiling with ALSA and the installation went 
smoothly. 


I can move forward and try building the Cyclone 0.8-0 et Else 1.0-0 
rc-10 externals for RPi OS 12 64-bits and few others which are not 
available at all thru Deken.


Q: With Pd 0.53-1 from the RPi repo I got in Deken, Default 
architecture: Linux-arm64-32.
Now after installing 0.54-1 over it I'm getting in Deken, Default 
architecture: Linux-armv8-32.

I'm a little bit confused. Is Linux-armv8-32 = Linux-arm64-32?
In Pd Deken 0.9.14 which is the correct architecture for RPi OS 12 
Bookworm in 64-bit (running on an RPi 400)?


Joseph
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Le 07/12/2023 à 07:45, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :

Am 7. Dezember 2023 02:17:28 MEZ schrieb Linux Rouen Normandie 
:

Hello List,


2- I installed yesterday the new Raspberry Pi OS 12 Bookworm 64-bit, with 
PipeWire set by default, on my Rapsberry Pi 400.
Trying to compile Pd 0.54-1 is not okay with ALSA gone for both AUDIO & MIDI:

You must install the libasound-dev package.
In theory you can compile Pd without ALSA altogether, but I don't think anyone 
ever does that, so it's bound to fail every now and again (in your case, you 
would also have to disable (local) portaudio)


Q: How can we fix that for using Pd with PipeWire (an upcoming standard) under 
the latest RPi OS?

There's nothing that needs to be fixing.
PipeWire has front-end for ALSA and JACK, so Pd can connect to PW right away 
(you probably need to install some glue package first, cannot check as I'm 
currently afk).
As a matter of fact, on my desktop machines I practically always run both 
Debian packaged Pd and self compiled Pds on PipeWire-enabled machines (not RPis 
though) without any problems.

IIRC, PipeWire actively discourages people from writing "native" support for 
it, and instead tells people to keep using whatever audio backends they already have.


  Note1: I know we can step back from PipeWire to PulseAudio in Raspi-Config => 6 
Advanced Options => A7 Audio Config (choice between PulseAudio and 
PipeWire-default).
  Note2: Pd 0.53-1 (puredata-0.53.1+ds-2) from the RPi OS 12 64-bit repos doesn't 
have these ALSA issues (true for both Audio & Midi) even with PipeWire active.

Thanks,
Joseph Gastelais

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[PD] Pd 0.54-1 Compilation: ALSA Errors under RPi OS 12 Bookworm with PipeWire

[Linux Rouen Normandie]

Hello List,

1- Doing Pd 0.54-1 compilation under RPi OS 11 Bullseye 32-bit on an RPi 
400 was okay:

pd 0.54.1 is now configured
    Platform: Linux
    Float size:   default
    Debug build:  no
    Universal build:  no
    Localizations:    yes
    Source directory: .
    Installation prefix:  /usr/local

    Compiler: gcc
    CPPFLAGS: -DNDEBUG
    CFLAGS:   -ffast-math -fno-finite-math-only 
-funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -O3  -g -O2

    LDFLAGS:
    INCLUDES:
    LIBS: -lpthread -ldl

    External extension:   pd_linux
    External CFLAGS:  -fPIC
    External LDFLAGS: -Wl,--export-dynamic -fPIC
    Deken identifier: linux-arm64

    fftw: no
    wish(tcl/tk): wish
    watchdog: yes
    audio APIs:   PortAudio JACK ALSA OSS
    midi APIs:    ALSA OSS
    libpd:    no

2- I installed yesterday the new Raspberry Pi OS 12 Bookworm 64-bit, 
with PipeWire set by default, on my Rapsberry Pi 400.
Trying to compile Pd 0.54-1 is not okay with ALSA gone for both AUDIO & 
MIDI:

pd 0.54.1 is now configured
    Platform: Linux
    Float size:   default
    Debug build:  no
    Universal build:  no
    Localizations:    no
    Source directory: .
    Installation prefix:  /usr/local

    Compiler: gcc
    CPPFLAGS: -DNDEBUG
    CFLAGS:   -ffast-math -fno-finite-math-only 
-funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -O3  -g -O2

    LDFLAGS:
    INCLUDES:
    LIBS:

    External extension:   pd_linux
    External CFLAGS:  -fPIC
    External LDFLAGS: -Wl,--export-dynamic -fPIC
    Deken identifier: linux-arm64

    fftw: no
    wish(tcl/tk): wish
    watchdog: yes
    audio APIs:   PortAudio JACK OSS
    midi APIs:    OSS
    libpd:    no

And at the 'make' step of the compilation I get:
portaudio/src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c:52:10: fatal error: 
alsa/asoundlib.h: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type

   52 | #include 
  |  ^~
compilation terminated.
make[2]: *** [Makefile:746 : portaudio/src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.o] 
Erreur 1
make[2] : on quitte le répertoire 
« /home/joe/Desktop/Pd/pd-0.54-1/portaudio »

make[1]: *** [Makefile:539 : all-recursive] Erreur 1
make[1] : on quitte le répertoire « /home/joe/Desktop/Pd/pd-0.54-1 »
make: *** [Makefile:442 : all] Erreur 2

Q: How can we fix that for using Pd with PipeWire (an upcoming standard) 
under the latest RPi OS?
 Note1: I know we can step back from PipeWire to PulseAudio in 
Raspi-Config => 6 Advanced Options => A7 Audio Config (choice between 
PulseAudio and PipeWire-default).
 Note2: Pd 0.53-1 (puredata-0.53.1+ds-2) from the RPi OS 12 64-bit 
repos doesn't have these ALSA issues (true for both Audio & Midi) even 
with PipeWire active.


Thanks,
Joseph Gastelais



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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] ELSE 1.0-0 rc10 and live electronics tutorial released

[Linux Rouen Normandie]

Yes, ELSE 1.0-0 rc-9, released on August 31st 2023, is working under 
Manjaro, but only your 2nd compilation not the 1st one.
It seems for this second one you have at least added 'libpcre.so.3' in 
/externals/else/amd64/.


Now, if I add this 'libpcre.so.3' file from the 2nd rc-9 publication to 
the Else 1.0-0 rc-10, released on November 7th 2023, [sfont~] is now 
working under Manjaro Linux.


Note for /externals/else/amd64/ folder:
- in 2nd rc-9 it has 25 files, and
- in 1st rc-10 it has only 21 files,
it's missing 'libopus.so.0', 'libpcre.so.3', 'libreadline.so.8' and 
'libtinfo.so.6' files.

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Le 15/11/2023 à 02:38, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :


Em ter., 14 de nov. de 2023 às 22:30, Linux ROUEN Normandie 
 escreveu:


If I remember well the one really working was the one that Albert
has compiled for Manjaro Linux few months ago.


can you confirm if the rc9 release works or not please?

Joseph


Le 14/11/2023 à 03:09, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :



Em seg., 13 de nov. de 2023 às 20:51, Linux Rouen Normandie
 escreveu:

I have still no luck with [sfont~] under Manjaro Linux 23.1.


Didn't we take care of that some time before? like the last
update or something? Wasnt it workin in rc9? it's the same binary
and dependencies...


I just updated to the latest Else 1.0-0 rc-10 thru Pd/Deken:

http://puredata.info/Members/porres/software/else/1.0-0_rc10-with_live_electronics_tutorial/else%5Bv1.0-0_rc10-with_live_electronics_tutorial%5D(Darwin-amd64-32)(Darwin-arm64-32)(Linux-amd64-32)(Windows-amd64-32).dek
-- 2023-11-08 05:42:23

---
  -> ELSE - EL Locus Solus' Externals for Pure Data <-
---
- Version: 1.0-0 rc-10; (Released novemeber 7th 2023)
- Author: Alexandre Torres Porres & others
- Repository: https://github.com/porres/pd-else
- License: Do What The Fuck You Want To Public License
(unless otherwise noted in particular objects, check
'license' folder)
- ELSE 1.0-0 rc-10 needs at least Pd 0.54-1
(you have 0.54-1, you're good!)
---

Opening some of my patches using [sfont~], I'm getting in
Pd's console:
//home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/sfont~.l_amd64:libpcre.so.3:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
else/sfont~ -g 0.3
... couldn't create//
/
Note: The same already occurred with some previous 'rc'
versions of Else.
/
/Thanks,
Joseph Gastelais
--

Le 08/11/2023 à 05:08, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :

Howdy, a quick update I needed to make in the middle of a
course and to settle the ground for a project I'm unveiling
this week in a symposium (the first draft of my modular
abstractions).

One new thing I have is a great gift from Tim Schoen, he
just gave me this incredible object named [circuit~] that
emulates analog circuitry. I'm blown away and have no idea
how it works, it's just pure magic as I see it. As an
atheist, I can't explain it...

Tim also helped in a compild version of [conv~]. I had this
very expensive abstraction and this is now a much more
simplified version of the great william brent's [convolve~]
object. This was one of the things on my list for a final
release, so we're getting closer. By the way, I think I've
said it before, I'm planning a final release next year when
Tim's Plugdata reaches version 1.0 (phew, finally).

I'm still extendind the MC awareness of objects in ELSE. The
[sine~] , [imp~]  and [adsr~] objects are now MC aware! The
[adsr~] and [envgen~] also got a new audio inlet for
retriggering with impulses. Including new objects, ELSE now
has 70 signal objects that can deal with multichannels.

A family of new objects I'm really proud of is [pm6~],
[pm4~] and [pm2~]. These are 6, 4 and 2 operators synths
with a modulation matrix for phase modulation. So yeah,
think of DX7 and stuff. Or Native Instruments' FM8,
actually. This is beautifual, and MC aware! Being MC aware
makes it polyphonic with [voices~], without the need of
[clone]. Did I mention I'm working on modular abstractions?
Yup, one based on [pm6~] is done, and looks great with all
the GUI there for you to set values in the modulation
matrix, plus panning, detuning, ratio. Really damn proud of
this one.

A new [mono~] object offers monophonic voice management with
signal rate portamento output.

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] ELSE 1.0-0 rc10 and live electronics tutorial released

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

If I remember well the one really working was the one that Albert has 
compiled for Manjaro Linux few months ago.


Joseph


Le 14/11/2023 à 03:09, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :



Em seg., 13 de nov. de 2023 às 20:51, Linux Rouen Normandie 
 escreveu:


I have still no luck with [sfont~] under Manjaro Linux 23.1.


Didn't we take care of that some time before? like the last update or 
something? Wasnt it workin in rc9? it's the same binary and 
dependencies...



I just updated to the latest Else 1.0-0 rc-10 thru Pd/Deken:

http://puredata.info/Members/porres/software/else/1.0-0_rc10-with_live_electronics_tutorial/else%5Bv1.0-0_rc10-with_live_electronics_tutorial%5D(Darwin-amd64-32)(Darwin-arm64-32)(Linux-amd64-32)(Windows-amd64-32).dek
-- 2023-11-08 05:42:23

---
  -> ELSE - EL Locus Solus' Externals for Pure Data <-
---
- Version: 1.0-0 rc-10; (Released novemeber 7th 2023)
- Author: Alexandre Torres Porres & others
- Repository: https://github.com/porres/pd-else
- License: Do What The Fuck You Want To Public License
(unless otherwise noted in particular objects, check 'license' folder)
- ELSE 1.0-0 rc-10 needs at least Pd 0.54-1
(you have 0.54-1, you're good!)
---

Opening some of my patches using [sfont~], I'm getting in Pd's
console:
//home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/sfont~.l_amd64:libpcre.so.3:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
else/sfont~ -g 0.3
... couldn't create//
/
Note: The same already occurred with some previous 'rc' versions
of Else.
/
/Thanks,
Joseph Gastelais
--

Le 08/11/2023 à 05:08, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :

Howdy, a quick update I needed to make in the middle of a course
and to settle the ground for a project I'm unveiling this week in
a symposium (the first draft of my modular abstractions).

One new thing I have is a great gift from Tim Schoen, he just
gave me this incredible object named [circuit~] that emulates
analog circuitry. I'm blown away and have no idea how it works,
it's just pure magic as I see it. As an atheist, I can't explain
it...

Tim also helped in a compild version of [conv~]. I had this very
expensive abstraction and this is now a much more simplified
version of the great william brent's [convolve~] object. This was
one of the things on my list for a final release, so we're
getting closer. By the way, I think I've said it before, I'm
planning a final release next year when Tim's Plugdata reaches
version 1.0 (phew, finally).

I'm still extendind the MC awareness of objects in ELSE. The
[sine~] , [imp~]  and [adsr~] objects are now MC aware! The
[adsr~] and [envgen~] also got a new audio inlet for retriggering
with impulses. Including new objects, ELSE now has 70 signal
objects that can deal with multichannels.

A family of new objects I'm really proud of is [pm6~], [pm4~] and
[pm2~]. These are 6, 4 and 2 operators synths with a modulation
matrix for phase modulation. So yeah, think of DX7 and stuff. Or
Native Instruments' FM8, actually. This is beautifual, and MC
aware! Being MC aware makes it polyphonic with [voices~], without
the need of [clone]. Did I mention I'm working on modular
abstractions? Yup, one based on [pm6~] is done, and looks great
with all the GUI there for you to set values in the modulation
matrix, plus panning, detuning, ratio. Really damn proud of this
one.

A new [mono~] object offers monophonic voice management with
signal rate portamento output. A [mpe.in <http://mpe.in>] object
is my first take on managing MIDI Polyphonic Expression. I guess
that's the highlights and it for now.

Current object count is: 518 (277 signal objects and 241 control
objects)! 299 coded objects (192 signal objects / 107 control
objects) 219 abstractions (85 signal objects / 134 control
objects) Not much new in the tutorial, just some updates and
revisions to add the new objects and breaking changes in ELSE.
Total number of examples is now 508!

 More details in
https://github.com/porres/pd-else/releases/tag/v.1.0-rc10

Get it from there or deken (no raspberry pi yet).  Expect this
one soon in a next PlugData release.

cheers

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] ELSE 1.0-0 rc10 and live electronics tutorial released

[Linux Rouen Normandie]

I have still no luck with [sfont~] under Manjaro Linux 23.1.

I just updated to the latest Else 1.0-0 rc-10 thru Pd/Deken:
http://puredata.info/Members/porres/software/else/1.0-0_rc10-with_live_electronics_tutorial/else%5Bv1.0-0_rc10-with_live_electronics_tutorial%5D(Darwin-amd64-32)(Darwin-arm64-32)(Linux-amd64-32)(Windows-amd64-32).dek 
-- 2023-11-08 05:42:23


---
  -> ELSE - EL Locus Solus' Externals for Pure Data <-
---
- Version: 1.0-0 rc-10; (Released novemeber 7th 2023)
- Author: Alexandre Torres Porres & others
- Repository: https://github.com/porres/pd-else
- License: Do What The Fuck You Want To Public License
(unless otherwise noted in particular objects, check 'license' folder)
- ELSE 1.0-0 rc-10 needs at least Pd 0.54-1
(you have 0.54-1, you're good!)
---

Opening some of my patches using [sfont~], I'm getting in Pd's console:
//home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/sfont~.l_amd64:libpcre.so.3: cannot 
open shared object file: No such file or directory

else/sfont~ -g 0.3
... couldn't create//
/
Note: The same already occurred with some previous 'rc' versions of Else.
/
/Thanks,
Joseph Gastelais
--

Le 08/11/2023 à 05:08, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
Howdy, a quick update I needed to make in the middle of a course and 
to settle the ground for a project I'm unveiling this week in a 
symposium (the first draft of my modular abstractions).


One new thing I have is a great gift from Tim Schoen, he just gave me 
this incredible object named [circuit~] that emulates analog 
circuitry. I'm blown away and have no idea how it works, it's just 
pure magic as I see it. As an atheist, I can't explain it...


Tim also helped in a compild version of [conv~]. I had this very 
expensive abstraction and this is now a much more simplified version 
of the great william brent's [convolve~] object. This was one of the 
things on my list for a final release, so we're getting closer. By the 
way, I think I've said it before, I'm planning a final release next 
year when Tim's Plugdata reaches version 1.0 (phew, finally).


I'm still extendind the MC awareness of objects in ELSE. The [sine~] , 
[imp~]  and [adsr~] objects are now MC aware! The [adsr~] and 
[envgen~] also got a new audio inlet for retriggering with impulses. 
Including new objects, ELSE now has 70 signal objects that can deal 
with multichannels.


A family of new objects I'm really proud of is [pm6~], [pm4~] and 
[pm2~]. These are 6, 4 and 2 operators synths with a modulation matrix 
for phase modulation. So yeah, think of DX7 and stuff. Or Native 
Instruments' FM8, actually. This is beautifual, and MC aware! Being MC 
aware makes it polyphonic with [voices~], without the need of [clone]. 
Did I mention I'm working on modular abstractions? Yup, one based on 
[pm6~] is done, and looks great with all the GUI there for you to set 
values in the modulation matrix, plus panning, detuning, ratio. Really 
damn proud of this one.


A new [mono~] object offers monophonic voice management with signal 
rate portamento output. A [mpe.in ] object is my first 
take on managing MIDI Polyphonic Expression. I guess that's the 
highlights and it for now.


Current object count is: 518 (277 signal objects and 241 control 
objects)! 299 coded objects (192 signal objects / 107 control objects) 
219 abstractions (85 signal objects / 134 control objects) Not much 
new in the tutorial, just some updates and revisions to add the new 
objects and breaking changes in ELSE. Total number of examples is now 508!


 More details in 
https://github.com/porres/pd-else/releases/tag/v.1.0-rc10


Get it from there or deken (no raspberry pi yet).  Expect this one 
soon in a next PlugData release.


cheers

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] cyclone 0.8-0 is out

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

I can only report what Cyclone Help file is generating into the Pd 
console for each of my 3 GNU/Linux systems (Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon, 
Manjaro Linux 23.0.4 Cinnamon and Ubuntu Studio 22.04.3 Plasma KDE).

Effectively it's weird that the lists are so different.
I also need to test it under Raspberry Pi OS 11 32-bit and Windows 10.

Frankly I don't remember how it was with Cyclone 0.7.

Understood for the deprecated warnings, it's in phase with your Cyclone 
0.8-0 ChangeLog.


Joseph


Le 05/11/2023 à 18:31, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :

geeez, I always suffer with these aliases, I'll try and see what happened

but I don't get why you have inconsistent warnings of different 
sizes... and just confirm with me that 0.7 was fine! I don't remember 
but maybe I did have to also reupload last time to fix this thing...


the deprecated warnings are correct, this is what it is now

cheers

Em dom., 5 de nov. de 2023 às 14:26, Linux Rouen  
escreveu:


Hello Alexandre,

And now a 3rd and shorter messages list generated at once by the
help file of [cyclone] under Ubuntu Studio 22.04.3 / Pd 0.54.1.
/" " " " "
warning: [cyclone/comment~] has been deprecated
maximum object loading depth 1000 reached
cyclone/append
... couldn't create
[cyclone/maximum~] is deprecated, consider using vanilla's [max~]
instead
[cyclone/minimum~] is deprecated, consider using vanilla's [min~]
instead
load_object: Symbol "table_setup" not found in
"/usr/lib/pd/extra/cyclone/table.pd_linux"
cyclone/table
... couldn't create
#C: no such object
warning: [cyclone/number~] has been deprecated
" " " " "/

Joseph Gastelais


Le 05/11/2023 à 16:51, Linux Rouen Normandie a écrit :

Hello Alexandre,
Previous one was under Linux Mint 21.2 / Pd 0.54.1.

Now under Manjaro Linux 23.0.4 / Pd 0.54.0, the messages list
generated at once by the help file of [cyclone] is a little bit
longer with new objects and also a lot of /[cyclone/uzi]/ duplicates:
/" " " " "
cyclone/append
... couldn't create
cyclone/borax
... couldn't create
cyclone/bucket
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 0 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 1
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/decode
... couldn't create
cyclone/clip~
... couldn't create
cyclone/line~
... couldn't create
[cyclone/maximum~] is deprecated, consider using vanilla's [max~]
instead
[cyclone/minimum~] is deprecated, consider using vanilla's [min~]
instead
cyclone/pow~
... couldn't create
cyclone/peak
... couldn't create
cyclone/table
... couldn't create
#C: no such object
cyclone/trough
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi
... couldn't create
warning: [cyclone/number~] has been deprecated
    " " " " "/

Joseph Gastelais


Le 05/11/2023 à 13:58, Linux ROUEN Normandie a écrit :

Hello Alexandre,

Thanks for releasing your Cyclone v.0.8.0 external.
I just update it thru Deken from v.0.7.1 under Pd v.0.54.1.

Opening the help file of [cyclone] displays at once the
following in Pd console:
/" " " " "
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
  

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] cyclone 0.8-0 is out

[Linux Rouen]

Hello Alexandre,

And now a 3rd and shorter messages list generated at once by the help 
file of [cyclone] under Ubuntu Studio 22.04.3 / Pd 0.54.1.

/" " " " "
warning: [cyclone/comment~] has been deprecated
maximum object loading depth 1000 reached
cyclone/append
... couldn't create
[cyclone/maximum~] is deprecated, consider using vanilla's [max~] instead
[cyclone/minimum~] is deprecated, consider using vanilla's [min~] instead
load_object: Symbol "table_setup" not found in 
"/usr/lib/pd/extra/cyclone/table.pd_linux"

cyclone/table
... couldn't create
#C: no such object
warning: [cyclone/number~] has been deprecated
" " " " "/

Joseph Gastelais


Le 05/11/2023 à 16:51, Linux Rouen Normandie a écrit :

Hello Alexandre,
Previous one was under Linux Mint 21.2 / Pd 0.54.1.

Now under Manjaro Linux 23.0.4 / Pd 0.54.0, the messages list 
generated at once by the help file of [cyclone] is a little bit longer 
with new objects and also a lot of /[cyclone/uzi]/ duplicates:

/" " " " "
cyclone/append
... couldn't create
cyclone/borax
... couldn't create
cyclone/bucket
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 0 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 1
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/decode
... couldn't create
cyclone/clip~
... couldn't create
cyclone/line~
... couldn't create
[cyclone/maximum~] is deprecated, consider using vanilla's [max~] instead
[cyclone/minimum~] is deprecated, consider using vanilla's [min~] instead
cyclone/pow~
... couldn't create
cyclone/peak
... couldn't create
cyclone/table
... couldn't create
#C: no such object
cyclone/trough
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi
... couldn't create
warning: [cyclone/number~] has been deprecated
" " " " "/

Joseph Gastelais


Le 05/11/2023 à 13:58, Linux ROUEN Normandie a écrit :

Hello Alexandre,

Thanks for releasing your Cyclone v.0.8.0 external.
I just update it thru Deken from v.0.7.1 under Pd v.0.54.1.

Opening the help file of [cyclone] displays at once the following in 
Pd console:

/" " " " "
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/decode
... couldn't create
cyclone/clip~
... couldn't create
cyclone/line~
... couldn't create
[cyclone/maximum~] is deprecated, consider using vanilla's [max~] instead
[cyclone/minimum~] is deprecated, consider using vanilla's [min~] instead
cyclone/pow~
... couldn't create
cyclone/peak
... couldn't create
cyclone/table
... couldn't create
#C: no such object
cyclone/trough
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi
... couldn't create
warning: [cyclone/number~] has been deprecated
" " " " "
/
Q: Should we consider that as being normal and just disregard these 
messages?


Joseph Gastelais


Le 22/10/2023 à 22:38, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
Hi, it was supposed to be a minor bugfix release but I went ahead 
and made some objects deprecated. They're still there for backwards 
compatibility, patches will run, but annoying errors will show up. 
Such objects include minimum~, maximum~, pow~, clip~, which have 
Vanilla versions. Others are number~ and comment, a couple of GUI 
elements that never really worked well and were mostly used in the 
documentation (so yeah, I also revised the documentation). That's 
basically it and all folks.


see https://github.com/porres/pd-cyclone/releases/tag/cyclone_v0.8-0

get it also via deken.

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] cyclone 0.8-0 is out

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Hello Alexandre,
Previous one was under Linux Mint 21.2 / Pd 0.54.1.

Now under Manjaro Linux 23.0.4 / Pd 0.54.0, the messages list generated 
at once by the help file of [cyclone] is a little bit longer with new 
objects and also a lot of /[cyclone/uzi]/ duplicates:

/" " " " "
cyclone/append
... couldn't create
cyclone/borax
... couldn't create
cyclone/bucket
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 0 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 1
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/decode
... couldn't create
cyclone/clip~
... couldn't create
cyclone/line~
... couldn't create
[cyclone/maximum~] is deprecated, consider using vanilla's [max~] instead
[cyclone/minimum~] is deprecated, consider using vanilla's [min~] instead
cyclone/pow~
... couldn't create
cyclone/peak
... couldn't create
cyclone/table
... couldn't create
#C: no such object
cyclone/trough
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi
... couldn't create
warning: [cyclone/number~] has been deprecated
" " " " "/

Joseph Gastelais
----

Le 05/11/2023 à 13:58, Linux ROUEN Normandie a écrit :

Hello Alexandre,

Thanks for releasing your Cyclone v.0.8.0 external.
I just update it thru Deken from v.0.7.1 under Pd v.0.54.1.

Opening the help file of [cyclone] displays at once the following in 
Pd console:

/" " " " "
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/decode
... couldn't create
cyclone/clip~
... couldn't create
cyclone/line~
... couldn't create
[cyclone/maximum~] is deprecated, consider using vanilla's [max~] instead
[cyclone/minimum~] is deprecated, consider using vanilla's [min~] instead
cyclone/pow~
... couldn't create
cyclone/peak
... couldn't create
cyclone/table
... couldn't create
#C: no such object
cyclone/trough
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi
... couldn't create
warning: [cyclone/number~] has been deprecated
" " " " "
/
Q: Should we consider that as being normal and just disregard these 
messages?


Joseph Gastelais


Le 22/10/2023 à 22:38, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
Hi, it was supposed to be a minor bugfix release but I went ahead and 
made some objects deprecated. They're still there for backwards 
compatibility, patches will run, but annoying errors will show up. 
Such objects include minimum~, maximum~, pow~, clip~, which have 
Vanilla versions. Others are number~ and comment, a couple of GUI 
elements that never really worked well and were mostly used in the 
documentation (so yeah, I also revised the documentation). That's 
basically it and all folks.


see https://github.com/porres/pd-cyclone/releases/tag/cyclone_v0.8-0

get it also via deken.

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] cyclone 0.8-0 is out

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Hello Alexandre,

Thanks for releasing your Cyclone v.0.8.0 external.
I just update it thru Deken from v.0.7.1 under Pd v.0.54.1.

Opening the help file of [cyclone] displays at once the following in Pd 
console:

/" " " " "
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi 1 0
... couldn't create
cyclone/decode
... couldn't create
cyclone/clip~
... couldn't create
cyclone/line~
... couldn't create
[cyclone/maximum~] is deprecated, consider using vanilla's [max~] instead
[cyclone/minimum~] is deprecated, consider using vanilla's [min~] instead
cyclone/pow~
... couldn't create
cyclone/peak
... couldn't create
cyclone/table
... couldn't create
#C: no such object
cyclone/trough
... couldn't create
cyclone/uzi
... couldn't create
warning: [cyclone/number~] has been deprecated
" " " " "
/
Q: Should we consider that as being normal and just disregard these 
messages?


Joseph Gastelais


Le 22/10/2023 à 22:38, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
Hi, it was supposed to be a minor bugfix release but I went ahead and 
made some objects deprecated. They're still there for backwards 
compatibility, patches will run, but annoying errors will show up. 
Such objects include minimum~, maximum~, pow~, clip~, which have 
Vanilla versions. Others are number~ and comment, a couple of GUI 
elements that never really worked well and were mostly used in the 
documentation (so yeah, I also revised the documentation). That's 
basically it and all folks.


see https://github.com/porres/pd-cyclone/releases/tag/cyclone_v0.8-0

get it also via deken.

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-1 released

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Thank you Peter, it's so simple ! 

Librement,
Joseph


Le 04/11/2023 à 10:00, Peter P. a écrit :

Dear Linux ROUEN Normandie,

* Linux ROUEN Normandie  [2023-11-04 00:27]:
[...]

Key is stored in legacy trusted.gpg keyring (/etc/apt/trusted.gpg), see the
DEPRECATION section in apt-key(8) for details.

Type
man apt-key
and search for the DEPRECATION section?

amicalement,
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.54-1 released

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Thank you IOhannes.

Effectively it was proposed today by the Linux Mint 21 updates system:
- puredata 0.54.1+ds-1~ubuntu22.04~ppa1.

Q: Since LM 21.2 I have the following warning but with no negative 
impact on the Pd update result:

" " " " "
W: « nosnap.pref.old » dans le répertoire « /etc/apt/preferences.d/ » a 
été ignoré car il utilise une extension non valable.
W: 
http://ppa.launchpad.net/pure-data/pure-data/ubuntu/dists/jammy/InRelease: 
Key is stored in legacy trusted.gpg keyring (/etc/apt/trusted.gpg), see 
the DEPRECATION section in apt-key(8) for details.

" " " " "
Any idea on how to fix that, if it's really necessary.

Joseph Gastelais


Le 03/11/2023 à 11:34, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :

On 10/31/23 16:01, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:


¹ uploads to Debian/bookworm-backports resp the Ubuntu PPA Ubuntu PPA 
() will 
follow once the dust has settled


Pd-0.54-1 is now also available on
Debian/bookworm-backports 
and Ubuntu (bionic, focal, jammy, lunar, mantic, noble) 




mfgar
IOhannes

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Re: [PD] Quick dev question r.e. underlying tcl version

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

And on Linux Mint 21.2 (based on Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS), 'tcl' is in 
version 8.6.11+1build2 (coming from Debian).




Le 19/10/2023 à 19:18, Antoine Rousseau a écrit :


Pd has used Tcl 8.5+ for a very long time on Linux.

On Ubuntu 16.04 (2016) for example , the standard version is 8.6.5.

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Re: [PD] [SOLVED] ELSE 1.0-0 rc-9 - [sfont~] issue under Manjaro Linux 23

[Linux Rouen Normandie]

Great, your latest "else/1.0-0_rc9-with_live_electronics_tutorial.dek" 
as of 2023-09-04 19:19:04 fixed, at least, the [sfont~] issue on Manjaro 
Linux!

I will test it on my other GNU/Linux distributions and Windows.

Thanks a lot for this wonderful and unique Pd's external including its 
amazing tutorial!


Cheers.
Joseph
- - - - - - - - - -
Le 04/09/2023 à 19:20, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :

re re re re uploaded the release

sorry for the packaging error, I included missing dependencies files 
that were there in rc8


hopefully sfont~ runs smoothly now in fresh installs in linux and 
raspberry pi


thanks
- - - - - - - - - -
Em sáb., 2 de set. de 2023 às 21:40, Linux Rouen Normandie 
 escreveu:


ELSE 1.0-0 rc-9 released on August 31st 2023
You have Pd Vanilla 0.54-0, you're good!

But [sfont~] issue under Manjaro Linux 23 (Arch Linux based):
/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/sfont~.l_amd64: libpcre.so.3:
cannot
open shared object file: No such file or directory
else/sfont~ -g 0.3
... couldn't create

In Else 1.0-0 rc-8 we had:
/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/libpcre-1.w64
/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/amd64/libpcre.so.3

But in Else 1.0-0 rc-9 we have only the closest fits:
/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/libpcre2-8-0.w64
/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/amd64/libpcre.1.dylib

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Joseph Gastelais
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[PD] ELSE 1.0-0 rc-9 - [sfont~] issue under Manjaro Linux 23

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ELSE 1.0-0 rc-9 released on August 31st 2023
You have Pd Vanilla 0.54-0, you're good!

But [sfont~] issue under Manjaro Linux 23 (Arch Linux based):
/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/sfont~.l_amd64: libpcre.so.3: cannot 
open shared object file: No such file or directory

else/sfont~ -g 0.3
... couldn't create

In Else 1.0-0 rc-8 we had:
/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/libpcre-1.w64
/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/amd64/libpcre.so.3

But in Else 1.0-0 rc-9 we have only the closest fits:
/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/libpcre2-8-0.w64
/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/amd64/libpcre.1.dylib

Thanks,
Joseph Gastelais



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Re: [PD] Calling for Pd Windows installer tests.

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Sorry for the inconvenience!

So, see my very 1st reply which is answering in detail to your "[PD] 
Calling for Pd Windows installer tests" and forget my included Question.


Joseph



Le 09/08/2023 à 11:38, Lucas Cordiviola a écrit :
This thread is not supposed to handle your particular issue but here 
we go.


there is no chance your machine can't handle the 0.54-0 C code. period.

you were able to run GDB-Pd[*] app which is the same C code but in 
this case pd.dll is much bigger in file size because it has the debug 
symbols.



Lucarda

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On 09/08/2023 05:08, Linux ROUEN Normandie wrote:


Current thinking:
The setup of my PC is not compatible with the modifications/adds 
introduced into pd.dll 0.54.0.

I will now test the GDB-Pd[*] app workaround suggested by Lucarda.

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Re: [PD] Calling for Pd Windows installer tests.

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Hello Christof,

These last tests were made to question what Lucarda was pointing out:
/"In your case we know that pd.exe or pd.com (these are the ones we 
filter via tasklist.exe) refuses to open because is blacklisted by the 
OS so detection is not working as expected (for your case, of course)."/


As during these tests Avast was totally disabled, none of pd.com, pd.exe 
and/or pd.dll could be backlisted, the same for the system.
In add prior disabling my AV, I have checked Avast quarantine and 
nothing about any pd.*, the same for the system.


Current thinking:
The setup of my PC is not compatible with the modifications/adds 
introduced into pd.dll 0.54.0.

I will now test the GDB-Pd[*] app workaround suggested by Lucarda.

Note: I'm also waiting for the next release of Plugdata based on Pd 
0.54.0 to see if the issue is the same or not.
The test with Purr Data 2.19.3, which is working well, is not relevant 
as it's still using Pd 0.48.0.



Best, Joseph


Le 09/08/2023 à 02:53, Christof Ressi a écrit :

Hi Joseph,

3. Pd 0.54.0 without installation, but its 'pd.dll' replaced with the 
one from 0.53.2, with 'pd.com' ran directly from 
H:\JOE-W10\Donwloads\pd-0.54-0-modified\bin.

 NOW, it's launching Okay.


on Windows, pd.dll actually contains all the code and pd.exe/pd.com 
are just tiny shims, so your result is not too surprising.


Christof
= = = = = = = = = =
On 08.08.2023 19:43, Linux ROUEN wrote:

Hello Lucarda,
Thanks for your suggestions. I will test them later on.

But I think we are not searching in the right direction, at least for 
my PC setup.

So I have made further investigations.

I think the culprit on my PC could be the new 'pd.dll' file 
introduced in Pd v.0.54.0.
See the attached zip file containing 3 screen captures highlighting 
what I'm saying:
1. Pd 0.53.2 without installation with 'pd.com' ran directly from 
H:\JOE-W10\Donwloads\pd-0.53-2\bin.

 It's launching Okay.
2. Pd 0.54.0 without installation with 'pd.com' ran directly from 
H:\JOE-W10\Donwloads\pd-0.54-0\bin.
 It's NOT launching at all, just 1 or 2 seconds but nothing on 
the screen, as during all my previous tests.
3. Pd 0.54.0 without installation, but its 'pd.dll' replaced with the 
one from 0.53.2, with 'pd.com' ran directly from 
H:\JOE-W10\Donwloads\pd-0.54-0-modified\bin.

 NOW, it's launching Okay.

What do you think about that?
Best, Joseph

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Envoyé : mardi 8 août 2023 14:44
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Objet : Re: [PD] Calling for Pd Windows installer tests.

Hi Joseph,

I'm following your case and it's the cause for having a "safer"
installer for good.

In your case we know that pd.exe or pd.com (these are the ones we filter
via tasklist.exe) refuses to open because is blacklisted by the OS so
detection is not working as expected (for your case, of course).


Is it safe in my case to run your 'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe' to
see if I can get Pd 0.54.0 finally working on my PC ?

You could try it but I expect it won't work because all files, are taken
from Miller's builds and pd.exe, pd.com and pd.dll are the exact same
ones you got blacklisted.

But if you desperately need 0.54-0 you can use the installer new tool
and do this pseudo install:

IIRC you could run the GDB-Pd[*] app you got from
https://nc.nubegris.com.ar/index.php/s/eKrTbHE4iyqAgAg
- uncompress the folder somewhere in your machine
- run the test installer
    - get into: "Repair Pd(64) defaults to open .pd files and exit"
  - select the main folder of your extracted GDB-Pd[*]
    - voilà: now .pd files opens with that Pd which is rather the
same you get with the app installed. Note that you don't have any start
menu, desktop short-cut, and other stuff so to start the app you only
need to double-click on any .pd file. (and yes, with this tool all
subsequent double-clicks on .pd files opens in the same Pd instance)

[*] this app contains a 32bit tcl/tk. AFAICT the only thing that does
not work is the dnd-plugin.

Lucarda
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On 08/08/2023 08:41, Linux ROUEN wrote:

Hello Lucarda,

My PC is running under Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 22H2 (build 
19045.3208), and yes it has tasklist.exe v.10.0.19041.1. as of 
2019/07/12.
Unfortunately I still can't run Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 since I tried to 
update it about one month ago. See my previous emails on this subject.


* All the following tests are done with my Avast antivirus totally 
disabled.


1. While Pd is running, run the installer 
'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe'
- Trying to run Pd but nothing on the screen, only Wish Application 
is running in the background.
- Now running Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe, at the 4th window 
there are 3 choices:

    . Continue (normal installation)
    . Clear Pd preferences and exit
    . Repair Pd(

Re: [PD] Calling for Pd Windows installer tests.

[Linux ROUEN]

Hello Lucarda,

My PC is running under Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 22H2 (build 19045.3208), and yes 
it has tasklist.exe v.10.0.19041.1. as of 2019/07/12.
Unfortunately I still can't run Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 since I tried to update it 
about one month ago. See my previous emails on this subject.

* All the following tests are done with my Avast antivirus totally disabled.

1. While Pd is running, run the installer 'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe'
- Trying to run Pd but nothing on the screen, only Wish Application is running 
in the background.
- Now running Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe, at the 4th window there are 3 
choices:
  . Continue (normal installation)
  . Clear Pd preferences and exit
  . Repair Pd(64) defaults to open .pd files and exit
  I choose Continue
- On the 5th screen I get:
  . Run the uninstaller (recommended)
  . Install as an alternate app
  . Continue
  I choose Cancel
I reboot my PC under Windows.

2. Pd is not running, run the installer 'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe'
- I checked than neither Wisk nor Pd are running, which is the case.
- Now running Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe at the 4th window there are 3 
choices (same as in above 1.):
  . Continue (normal installation)
  . Clear Pd preferences and exit
  . Repair Pd(64) defaults to open .pd files and exit
  I choose Continue
- On the 5th screen I get (same as in above 1.):
  . Run the uninstaller (recommended)
  . Install as an alternate app
  . Continue
  I choose Cancel

QUESTION:
Is it safe in my case to run your 'Pd-0.54-x.windows-installer.exe' to see if I 
can get Pd 0.54.0 finally working on my PC ?

Thanks. Best,
Joseph Gastelais

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Objet : [PD] Calling for Pd Windows installer tests.

Hi list,

We are working on a safer and better Pd Windows installer. We call for a 
bit of testing to check if it's working on all Windows versions (editions).

We are not sure if the installer is able to find out if there are any 
running Pd app at the time the installer runs.

The test is simple:
- get an installer (any of the two should work) from:
 https://nc.nubegris.com.ar/index.php/s/E7Pyg3M9ZA7Hygo

- run the installer while Pd is running.
 - EXPECTED: at some point, before actually installing, a window 
will pop saying it refuses to continue and the installer will quit.

- run the installer without Pd running.
 - EXPECTED: here you should be able to get the installer running until
 -A) you are asked to uninstall Pd. you don't have do anything 
else, just quit.
 -B) in case you don't have Pd installed, until you have to 
choose the path for installation, you don't have to install the app, 
just quit.

To detect if Pd is running we are using an internal Windows command 
"tasklist.exe" but we are not sure if it's available on all Windows 
versions (editions).

We know it works on:
WinXP [i386] (pro)
Win8.1 [amd64] (pro)
Win10 [amd64] (enterprise) (home)
Win11 [amd64] (pro)

Please if you have a couple of minutes run the test and post back if the 
installer is not working as EXPECTED.

Thanks,
Lucarda
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Re: [PD] Building ELSE for Pd Vanilla (here RPi OS 11 32-bit)

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Hello IOhannes,
See here below my comments.
I'm still in the learning phase for compiling Externals.
Best, Joseph
= = = = = = = = = =

Le 03/08/2023 à 21:45, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :

(resending, as I accidentally only answered to joseph)

You must build against Pd-0.54 (as there's obviously no compile time 
check for the actual Pd version).
/I have a tested and working Pd 0.54.0 on my RPi I have compiled few 
days ago from the source code (pd-0.54-0.src.tar.gz) gotten from 
Miller's site./
Pd-0.54 has been released after Debian/bookworm, so you cannot use the 
Pd bundled with your Raspbian/bookworm.

/Not really understanding 'bookworm'.//
/
//Either compile Pd yourself, or use the one from Debian/backports: 
https://backports.debian.org
/Yes, I've done the compilation myself as written in previous emails and 
here above./
When compiling of yourself, you must make sure that the build system 
can find the headers.
/    As my compilation finished with no warning and after the binary 
installation Pd is working well, I think it found the headers (by the 
way, which ones)./
Personally I think this is a bug in ELSE, and would file a bug that it 
ought to be buildable against older versions of Pd (even if that means 
that some functionality is missing).
/Perhaps not as my compilation is working well, my issue is just with 
Else compilation on RPi or I've missed something./

https://github.com/porres/pd-else#building-else-for-pd-vanilla

mfg.sfg.jfd
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Re: [PD] Building ELSE for Pd Vanilla (here RPi OS 11 32-bit)

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Hello Alexandre,

No luck from the beginning with Errors starting from line 51 with:
pi@RPi400:~/Downloads/pd-else-master $ make install objectsdir=~/else-build
Using 'sudo' before the command is not better.

Note-1: Of course, the pd-else-master.zip, downloaded today from your 
Else Git has been decompressed.
Note-2: Neither '/home/pi/else-build/else' nor '/home/pi/else-build' 
have been created.
Note-3: You can see that here the architecture is for 'armv7' (on my RPi 
400 / RPi OS11 32-bit).


See the terminal output in the here attached file.
Any idea how to fix that?

Thanks.
Best, Joseph
= = = = = = = = = =

Le 02/08/2023 à 04:29, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
cool, just try the current master, as I think I solved some issues for 
building these objects there and I'm still adding new features and 
will release the final update with them anyway...


Em ter., 1 de ago. de 2023 às 19:32, Linux ROUEN Normandie 
 escreveu:


Thanks for your clarifications. It's clearer and my understanding
has increased a bit.
Now I will make my home work, including the 3 [~] objects, hoping
I will not face to an unbreakable wall.
Let's see. I will keep you posted...


Best, Joseph


Le 01/08/2023 à 01:41, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :

Em seg., 31 de jul. de 2023 às 16:47, Linux Rouen Normandie
 escreveu:

Hello Alexandre,
Well, I'm back with 5 basic (-questions-) for "dummies"
embedded into your here below Building instructions...


Maybe not the best place to discuss this, but then I could
actually use some help form others, as, like I just said in the
other subject/thread, my experience with linux and raspberry pi
is limited.

I have a VM in a mac that runs ubuntu and I'm able to cross
compile in it for raspberry pis thanks to a friend who set it up
for me, but I was never able to use it to compile these new three
objects that need more steps.

Anyway, thanks for your interest and help, let's dig in...

=> So I installed pd-lib-builder-0.6.0-1 from Add/Remove
Software (RPi OS 11 32-bit / RPi 400), done.


I do provide pd-lib-builder in a subfolder of the ELSE source
code, so you don't really need to bother installing it yourself.

1. Installing with pdlibbuilder
Go to the pd-else folder /(-Which folder? The decompressed
downloaded source code file?-)/


Yup. If you're cloning from github you should have this "pd-else"
folder. If you download the source from the github site you get
something like "pd-else-master" or "pd-else-1.0-rc9-pre-test"
(preferred for what you want, which is building this release).
Just just go to this directory on your terminal to run the make code.

and use "objectsdir" to set an /absolute/ path for your
build, something like:
    make install objectsdir=~/else-build
Then move it (-What?-)


move the built and generated folder. In this case it would be a
folder called "else" created inside a "else-build" subfolder in
the source code of ELSE.

I actually do "objectsdir=../" and look for the 'else' folder in
the same folder as the source code of ELSE...

So, when you're done generating your folder, move it to install
it as any external library into your preferred externals folder.

from there to your preferred install folder for Pd /(-What do
you mean by 'your Preferred install folder for Pd'?-)/


Wherever you like. I use the ~/Documents/Pd/externals folder.

and add it to the path /(-How and to which one?-)/.


Add the else folder (wherever it is) to the user added search
paths, that you can set under preferences ==> path

2. Installing sfont~, sfz~ and plaits~
(...)
To install them with the rest of ELSE you can build from the
toplevel source directory /(-?-)/


That is the same directory for the regular build, like "pd-else".

using the special 'sfont', 'sfz' and 'plaits' targets:
    make sfont sfz plaits pdincludepath=~/pd-0.54-0/src/
    make sfont-install sfz-install plaits-install
objectsdir=~/else-build


I don't really use 'pdincludepath'... pdlibbuilder finds it if
you have it. But you gotta have pd-0.54-0 installed, preferably
just this version.

Like I said in the other thread, you need to have 'cmake'
installed, which may be something that comes out of the box in
raspberry pi?

Anyway, that's all I know, that's what I need to do to build it
in my mac, but I have no idea if it'll run smoothly in a
raspberry pi and I'm afraid I won't know what to do if you hit a
wall :)

Hope it works, let us know

thanks


pi@RPi400:~/Downloads/pd-else-master $ make install object

Re: [PD] Building ELSE for Pd Vanilla (here RPi OS 11 32-bit)

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Thanks for your clarifications. It's clearer and my understanding has 
increased a bit.
Now I will make my home work, including the 3 [~] objects, hoping I will 
not face to an unbreakable wall.

Let's see. I will keep you posted...


Best, Joseph


Le 01/08/2023 à 01:41, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
Em seg., 31 de jul. de 2023 às 16:47, Linux Rouen Normandie 
 escreveu:


Hello Alexandre,
Well, I'm back with 5 basic (-questions-) for "dummies" embedded
into your here below Building instructions...


Maybe not the best place to discuss this, but then I could actually 
use some help form others, as, like I just said in the other 
subject/thread, my experience with linux and raspberry pi is limited.


I have a VM in a mac that runs ubuntu and I'm able to cross compile in 
it for raspberry pis thanks to a friend who set it up for me, but I 
was never able to use it to compile these new three objects that need 
more steps.


Anyway, thanks for your interest and help, let's dig in...

=> So I installed pd-lib-builder-0.6.0-1 from Add/Remove Software
(RPi OS 11 32-bit / RPi 400), done.


I do provide pd-lib-builder in a subfolder of the ELSE source code, so 
you don't really need to bother installing it yourself.


1. Installing with pdlibbuilder
Go to the pd-else folder /(-Which folder? The decompressed
downloaded source code file?-)/


Yup. If you're cloning from github you should have this "pd-else" 
folder. If you download the source from the github site you get 
something like  "pd-else-master" or "pd-else-1.0-rc9-pre-test" 
(preferred for what you want, which is building this release). Just 
just go to this directory on your terminal to run the make code.


and use "objectsdir" to set an /absolute/ path for your build,
something like:
    make install objectsdir=~/else-build
Then move it (-What?-)


move the built and generated folder. In this case it would be a folder 
called "else" created inside a "else-build" subfolder in the source 
code of ELSE.


I actually do "objectsdir=../" and look for the 'else' folder in the 
same folder as the source code of ELSE...


So, when you're done generating your folder, move it to install it as 
any external library into your preferred externals folder.


from there to your preferred install folder for Pd /(-What do you
mean by 'your Preferred install folder for Pd'?-)/


Wherever you like. I use the ~/Documents/Pd/externals folder.

and add it to the path /(-How and to which one?-)/.


Add the else folder (wherever it is) to the user added search paths, 
that you can set under preferences ==> path


2. Installing sfont~, sfz~ and plaits~
(...)
To install them with the rest of ELSE you can build from the
toplevel source directory /(-?-)/


That is the same directory for the regular build, like "pd-else".

using the special 'sfont', 'sfz' and 'plaits' targets:
    make sfont sfz plaits pdincludepath=~/pd-0.54-0/src/
    make sfont-install sfz-install plaits-install
objectsdir=~/else-build


I don't really use 'pdincludepath'... pdlibbuilder finds it if you 
have it. But you gotta have pd-0.54-0 installed, preferably just this 
version.


Like I said in the other thread, you need to have 'cmake' installed, 
which may be something that comes out of the box in raspberry pi?


Anyway, that's all I know, that's what I need to do to build it in my 
mac, but I have no idea if it'll run smoothly in a raspberry pi and 
I'm afraid I won't know what to do if you hit a wall :)


Hope it works, let us know

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Re: [PD] Availability of ELSE v.1.0-0_rc8 external for Raspberry Pi 400 (ARM)

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* I have forgotten but I also use [else/keyboard], so at least Else rc8, 
where some bugs have been fixed, is needed.


* Regarding armv6 (32-bit), armv7(32-bit) and armv8 (64-bit), you should 
discuss it with the developers having the right knowledge about them.


With RPi OS 11 32-bit, Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 / Deken 0.9.4 / Else gives 
today the same result for both:

-User defined platform: Linux-armv7-32
http://puredata.info/Members/porres/software/else/1.0-0_rc6-with_live_electronics_tutorial/else%5Bv1.0-0_rc6-with_live_electronics_tutorial%5D(Darwin-amd64-32)(Darwin-arm64-32)(Linux-amd64-32)(Linux-arm64-32)(Linux-armv6-32)(Linux-armv7-32)(Windows-amd64-32).dek
    i.e. else 1.0-0_rc6-with_live_electronics_tutorial 2023-05-12 20:17:02
- Platform by defaut: Linux-armv6-32
http://puredata.info/Members/porres/software/else/1.0-0_rc6-with_live_electronics_tutorial/else%5Bv1.0-0_rc6-with_live_electronics_tutorial%5D(Darwin-amd64-32)(Darwin-arm64-32)(Linux-amd64-32)(Linux-arm64-32)(Linux-armv6-32)(Linux-armv7-32)(Windows-amd64-32).dek
    i.e. else 1.0-0_rc6-with_live_electronics_tutorial 2023-05-12 20:17:02

* The use of the RPi OS 11 64-bit (armv8) will gain in popularity over 
the years as the following machines are 64-bit compatible: RPi Zero 2, 
RPi 3, RPi 4/4B (up to 8 GB RAM) and RPi 400 (4 GB RAM).
So, I think if Else Arm 64-bit is different from Arm 32-bit, yes you 
could / should take care about it.


Thanks.

Best, Joseph


Le 01/08/2023 à 01:22, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
Em seg., 31 de jul. de 2023 às 13:29, Linux Rouen Normandie 
 escreveu:


Well, but I need at least [else/midi] & [else/sfont~].


Those 2 haven't really changed since version rc6, so you're good with 
that, right?


Nonetheless, I'm really confused with what I have to distribute now, 
and I think I'm offering "wrong" versions of sfont~ for the pi...


Note-1: With Pd/Deken I had to define the User platform as
"Linux-armv7-32" to be able to have access to all my needed
externals.\

The default platform is declared as "Linux-armv6-32" which is not
relevant for many externals when the "Hide the other
architectures" box is checked.


You see, I don't think I'm offering "Linux-armv7-32" . I have armv6 
(32bit) and armv8 (64bit). So how does it show up for you?


And does the armv6 (32bit) binary work for you as well? I thought so...

Should I offer armv7 instead of armv6? Should I offer both?

Note-2: The production RPi OS 11 64-bit (armv8) is too young for
being largely deployed on the Raspberry Pi machines which are
compatible with it. So 32-bit externals will be still needed for a
while.


Should I not bother with this one at all?

I will have one more time a look at your compilation instructions
and will see what I can achieve or not...


All I know is that you gotta have 'cmake' installed, and other than 
that I have ZERO experience with Raspberry Pis and Linux in general...


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[PD] Building ELSE for Pd Vanilla (here RPi OS 11 32-bit)

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Hello Alexandre,
Well, I'm back with 5 basic (-questions-) for "dummies" embedded into 
your here below Building instructions...


Building ELSE for Pd Vanilla:
ELSE relies on the build system called "pd-lib-builder" by Katja Vetter 
(check the project in: https://github.com/pure-data/pd-lib-builder).
PdLibBuilder tries to find the Pd source directory at several common 
locations, but when this fails, you have to specify the path yourself 
using the pdincludepath variable. Example (assuming the unpacked Pd 
package is in ~/pd-0.54-0; for Windows/MinGW add 
|pdbinpath=~/pd-0.54-0/bin/|):

    make pdincludepath=~/pd-0.54-0/src/

=> So I installed pd-lib-builder-0.6.0-1 from Add/Remove Software (RPi 
OS 11 32-bit / RPi 400), done.


1. Installing with pdlibbuilder
Go to the pd-else folder /(-Which folder? The decompressed downloaded 
source code file?-)/ and use "objectsdir" to set an /absolute/ path for 
your build, something like:

    make install objectsdir=~/else-build
Then move it (-What?-) from there to your preferred install folder for 
Pd /(-What do you mean by 'your Preferred install folder for Pd'?-)/ and 
add it to the path /(-How and to which one?-)/.


Cross compiling is also possible with something like this:
    make CC=arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc target.arch=arm7l install 
objectsdir=~/else-build


2. Installing sfont~, sfz~ and plaits~
For technical reasons these objects reside in their own subdirectories 
of the ELSE source directory, so a normal build as described above will 
skip them. You can install these separately and you can also check their 
subfolders for their own READMEs and instructions.


To install them with the rest of ELSE you can build from the toplevel 
source directory /(-?-)/ using the special 'sfont', 'sfz' and 'plaits' 
targets:

    make sfont sfz plaits pdincludepath=~/pd-0.54-0/src/
    make sfont-install sfz-install plaits-install objectsdir=~/else-build
This also makes sure that [sfont~], [sfz~] and [plaits~] get added to 
the chosen else library directory instead of their own subdirectories.


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Re: [PD] Availability of ELSE v.1.0-0_rc8 external for Raspberry Pi 400 (ARM)

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Well, but I need at least [else/midi] & [else/sfont~]. So current 
v1.0-rc9-pre-test is not really useful for me.
I will have one more time a look at your compilation instructions and 
will see what I can achieve or not...


Note-1: With Pd/Deken I had to define the User platform as 
"Linux-armv7-32" to be able to have access to all my needed externals.
The default platform is declared as "Linux-armv6-32" which is not 
relevant for many externals when the "Hide the other architectures" box 
is checked.


Note-2: The production RPi OS 11 64-bit (armv8) is too young for being 
largely deployed on the Raspberry Pi machines which are compatible with 
it. So 32-bit externals will be still needed for a while.


Cheers,
= = = = = = = = = =

Le 31/07/2023 à 05:22, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :

Hi, those instructions is the best I can do :)

but here's the pre/test release binaries without those 3 objects 
(sfont~/sfz~/plaits~)


https://github.com/porres/pd-else/releases/tag/v1.0-rc9-pre-test

tell me which one of these 2 raspberry pi versions work for you. I 
wonder if just one is needed these days (armv8 that is)


the virtual machine I have and used to build for pis is not ready for 
these three


perhaps someone "ELSE" here can help and try building these 3 objects?

cheers

= = = = = = = = = =

Em dom., 30 de jul. de 2023 às 22:37, Linux Rouen Normandie 
 escreveu:


Yes, I'm able to compile but with some kind of clear instructions,
not for developers with things which are supposed to be known and
are not written! 
As I said, I just compiled Pd Vanilla v.0.54.0 for my RPi 400 /
RPi OS 11 32-bit, and about 6 months ago Pd-L2Ork on the same
machine. The instructions given by Miller and Ico were just perfect.

I already had a look at your Else compilation instructions, with
the special case for 3 objects including [sfont~], and I'm not
really confident, for the time being, with them.
As previously written at almost 72 years old (and still alive as
someone has written it ) I'm always ready for learning new stuff
and to contribute... I'm your man! 

Cheers,
= = = = = = = = = =
Le 30/07/2023 à 22:05, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :

here's a pre/test release

https://github.com/porres/pd-else/releases/tag/v1.0-rc9-pre-test

I actually need help with raspberry pis now, there's a new object
that's surely gonna give us some headache: [sfz~], which loads
SFZ soundfonts.

Aren't you able to compile?

cheers
= = = = = = = = = =
Em dom., 30 de jul. de 2023 às 15:04, Alexandre Torres Porres
 escreveu:

I'm about to release an update soon anyway, I'll make sure
there are binaries for pi. I have to check why I missed them
now, it wasn't intentional.

    Em sáb., 29 de jul. de 2023 às 13:23, Linux Rouen Normandie
 escreveu:

I just updated Pure Data Vanilla from v.0.53.1 to the
latest v.0.54.0 by
compiling its source code and then installing it on my
Raspberry Pi 400
(ARM) under Raspberry Pi OS 11 32-bit (Bullseye).
Everything went well.

Unfortunately the ELSE external for
'Linux-armv6-32/Linux-armv7-32'
available through Deken is still at v.1.0-0_rc6
(2023-05-12) and not at
the latest v.1.0-0_rc8 (2023-05-16).

Does anyone know where I could find the Else v.1.0-0_rc8
ready to use
for RPi OS 11 32-bit?

Thanks.
Joseph Gastelais



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Re: [PD] Availability of ELSE v.1.0-0_rc8 external for Raspberry Pi 400 (ARM)

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Yes, I'm able to compile but with some kind of clear instructions, not 
for developers with things which are supposed to be known and are not 
written! 
As I said, I just compiled Pd Vanilla v.0.54.0 for my RPi 400 / RPi OS 
11 32-bit, and about 6 months ago Pd-L2Ork on the same machine. The 
instructions given by Miller and Ico were just perfect.


I already had a look at your Else compilation instructions, with the 
special case for 3 objects including [sfont~], and I'm not really 
confident, for the time being, with them.
As previously written at almost 72 years old (and still alive as someone 
has written it ) I'm always ready for learning new stuff and to 
contribute... I'm your man! 


Cheers,

Le 30/07/2023 à 22:05, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :

here's a pre/test release

https://github.com/porres/pd-else/releases/tag/v1.0-rc9-pre-test

I actually need help with raspberry pis now, there's a new object 
that's surely gonna give us some headache: [sfz~], which loads SFZ 
soundfonts.


Aren't you able to compile?

cheers

Em dom., 30 de jul. de 2023 às 15:04, Alexandre Torres Porres 
 escreveu:


I'm about to release an update soon anyway, I'll make sure there
are binaries for pi. I have to check why I missed them now, it
wasn't intentional.

Em sáb., 29 de jul. de 2023 às 13:23, Linux Rouen Normandie
 escreveu:

I just updated Pure Data Vanilla from v.0.53.1 to the latest
v.0.54.0 by
compiling its source code and then installing it on my
Raspberry Pi 400
(ARM) under Raspberry Pi OS 11 32-bit (Bullseye). Everything
went well.

Unfortunately the ELSE external for
'Linux-armv6-32/Linux-armv7-32'
available through Deken is still at v.1.0-0_rc6 (2023-05-12)
and not at
the latest v.1.0-0_rc8 (2023-05-16).

Does anyone know where I could find the Else v.1.0-0_rc8 ready
to use
for RPi OS 11 32-bit?

Thanks.
Joseph Gastelais



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Re: [PD] Availability of ELSE v.1.0-0_rc8 external for Raspberry Pi 400 (ARM)

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Lovely, what can we expect more! 

Le 30/07/2023 à 20:04, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
I'm about to release an update soon anyway, I'll make sure there are 
binaries for pi. I have to check why I missed them now, it wasn't 
intentional.


Em sáb., 29 de jul. de 2023 às 13:23, Linux Rouen Normandie 
 escreveu:


I just updated Pure Data Vanilla from v.0.53.1 to the latest
v.0.54.0 by
compiling its source code and then installing it on my Raspberry
Pi 400
(ARM) under Raspberry Pi OS 11 32-bit (Bullseye). Everything went
well.

Unfortunately the ELSE external for 'Linux-armv6-32/Linux-armv7-32'
available through Deken is still at v.1.0-0_rc6 (2023-05-12) and
not at
the latest v.1.0-0_rc8 (2023-05-16).

Does anyone know where I could find the Else v.1.0-0_rc8 ready to use
for RPi OS 11 32-bit?

Thanks.
Joseph Gastelais
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[PD] Availability of ELSE v.1.0-0_rc8 external for Raspberry Pi 400 (ARM)

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I just updated Pure Data Vanilla from v.0.53.1 to the latest v.0.54.0 by 
compiling its source code and then installing it on my Raspberry Pi 400 
(ARM) under Raspberry Pi OS 11 32-bit (Bullseye). Everything went well.


Unfortunately the ELSE external for 'Linux-armv6-32/Linux-armv7-32' 
available through Deken is still at v.1.0-0_rc6 (2023-05-12) and not at 
the latest v.1.0-0_rc8 (2023-05-16).


Does anyone know where I could find the Else v.1.0-0_rc8 ready to use 
for RPi OS 11 32-bit?


Thanks.
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Re: [PD] For info: 3 minor issues with Pd 0.54.0 and ELSE 1.0-0 rc-8 under Linux Mint 21.1

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Le 20/07/2023 à 07:20, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :

2) hmmm, where is the post for sigmund~ version?

2. Pd / Menu / Help / Objects List
Don't know, only getting what listed in my here below original email.
[sigmund~] is well in the '/usr/lib/puredata/extra/sigmund~' directory 
with its help file updated for Pd version 0.54.


Em qui., 13 de jul. de 2023 às 21:48, Linux ROUEN Normandie 
 escreveu:


Hello,

I just updated Pure Data Vanilla from the repositories of Linux Mint
21.1 Cinnamon 64-bit (Ubuntu 22.04 base)
- from v.0.53.1 (0.53.1+ds-2~ubuntu22.04~ppa1)
- to v.0.54.0 (0.54.0+ds-3~ubuntu22.04~ppa1)
and I've got 3 minor issues.

1. ELSE 1.0-0 rc-8 needs at least Pd 0.53-2 (you have 0.54-0,
you're good!)
But...
---
ERREUR NON GÉRÉE (Error not managed) : invalid command name ".popup"
 while executing
"$mymenu add separator"
 (procedure "category_menu::create" line 3)
 invoked from within
"category_menu::create .popup"
 ("uplevel" body line 115)
 invoked from within
"uplevel #0 $tclcode"
ÉCHEC DU CHARGEMENT DE (Loading error of)
/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/else-browser-plugin.tcl
---

2. Pd / Menu / Help / Objects List
bonk version 1.5
pd~ version 0.54
fiddle version 1.1 TEST4
pique 0.1 for PD version 23
---
warning -- 'template' (pd-help-intro.pd) is obsolete; replace with
'struct'
---

3. Pd Font size
My setup in v.0.53.1 was 10 (x & y) and now in v.0.54.0 is 12 (x & y).

NOTE: Nice addition of Audio/MIDI tabs in Preferences.

Thanks,
Joseph Gastelais
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Re: [PD] Midway Solved: HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Thank you Lucas! 

Best,
Joseph Gastelais


Le 18/07/2023 à 03:22, Lucas Cordiviola a écrit :

On 13/07/2023 13:46, Linux ROUEN Normandie wrote:
I don't think I have to visit my church for praying to find the 
solution to my bloody Windows issue!




Hi Joseph,

Well, we don't have to put the blame on Windows or Avast. I think your 
issue was triggered by installing the app while the app was running. 
This can easily happen to anyone. So I took notes of your issues and 
included this on the devs to-do list for the installer:


  - not allow the installer to do it's job if any Pd is running.

  - include a tool to erase Pd preferences.

  - include a tool to set which app (in case you have more than 1 Pd 
installation) gets associated to open .pd files.


  - some stuff related to the winget pkg.

I hope much of this will make it into the next release.

:)

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Re: [PD] For info: 3 minor issues with Pd 0.54.0 and ELSE 1.0-0 rc-8 under Linux Mint 21.1

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Duly noted!
Joseph

Le 14/07/2023 à 11:33, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :

Am 14. Juli 2023 02:46:51 MESZ schrieb Linux ROUEN Normandie 
:

2. Pd / Menu / Help / Objects List
bonk version 1.5
pd~ version 0.54
fiddle version 1.1 TEST4
pique 0.1 for PD version 23
---
warning -- 'template' (pd-help-intro.pd) is obsolete; replace with 'struct'
---

So what's the problem?
Do you want
- all objects that are considered "obsolete" to be removed from the "list of all 
objects"?
- all objects that are considered "obsolete" to be completely removed from the 
docs?
- never obsolete an object?


3. Pd Font size
My setup in v.0.53.1 was 10 (x & y) and now in v.0.54.0 is 12 (x & y).

Yes. That's fully intentional.
<https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/1794>

If you don't like it, you can of course override the default font size to 
whatever you like.


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[PD] For info: 3 minor issues with Pd 0.54.0 and ELSE 1.0-0 rc-8 under Linux Mint 21.1

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Hello,

I just updated Pure Data Vanilla from the repositories of Linux Mint 
21.1 Cinnamon 64-bit (Ubuntu 22.04 base)

- from v.0.53.1 (0.53.1+ds-2~ubuntu22.04~ppa1)
- to v.0.54.0 (0.54.0+ds-3~ubuntu22.04~ppa1)
and I've got 3 minor issues.

1. ELSE 1.0-0 rc-8 needs at least Pd 0.53-2 (you have 0.54-0, you're good!)
But...
---
ERREUR NON GÉRÉE (Error not managed) : invalid command name ".popup"
    while executing
"$mymenu add separator"
    (procedure "category_menu::create" line 3)
    invoked from within
"category_menu::create .popup"
    ("uplevel" body line 115)
    invoked from within
"uplevel #0 $tclcode"
ÉCHEC DU CHARGEMENT DE (Loading error of)
/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/else-browser-plugin.tcl
---

2. Pd / Menu / Help / Objects List
bonk version 1.5
pd~ version 0.54
fiddle version 1.1 TEST4
pique 0.1 for PD version 23
---
warning -- 'template' (pd-help-intro.pd) is obsolete; replace with 'struct'
---

3. Pd Font size
My setup in v.0.53.1 was 10 (x & y) and now in v.0.54.0 is 12 (x & y).

NOTE: Nice addition of Audio/MIDI tabs in Preferences.

Thanks,
Joseph Gastelais



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Re: [PD] Midway Solved: HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Hello Lucarda,

I don't think I have to visit my church for praying to find the solution 
to my bloody Windows issue!


Now, your speculation is fully RIGHT! 
Since my July 11th email (with your excerpt here below) I have sent 2 
other emails going into your direction. Unfortunately they are not 
arrived to the Pd-List. I need to investigate why and as currently I'm 
not on my production PC I can't have access to them.


So to summarize them in few words:
- Effectively I have discovered a very weird behavior of my Windows 10 
Avast Antivirus (free version).
- Sometime, not always, Avast is silently blacklisting apps which is the 
case here with at least "Pd.com and/or Pd.exe v.0.54.0". It was not the 
case with Pd v.0.53.2 or previous ones.
- But also sometime when this is not done silently and you create an 
exception for a given app, Avast continue to manage it as a threat 
ignoring your exception declaration.
- I need to further investigate it when I will have again access to my 
production PC.


Why when I'm trying to explain and explain again and again to my 
relatives, friends and students that the free ("libre" in French) & 
opensource GNU/Linux distributions are much better (technically and 
philosophically) and safer than the proprietary Microsoft Windows, most 
of them don't want to listen to me!?

The bad habits have a very hard time! 

Thanks again,
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Best, Joseph Gastelais
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Le 12/07/2023 à 01:58, Lucas Cordiviola a écrit :

On 11/07/2023 13:50, Linux ROUEN wrote:

I'm really and totally lost!
(Unfortunately) my electronic music students mainly use Windows, so I 
do need during this summer to fix this issue on my laptop.


try downloading again the zip package from Miller's site an test it.

if the problem persist you can use the "Debuged" app that is running 
fine for you (for your classes).


but then if you have time to backup all your files, do it and format 
your Windows partition and reinstall the OS. there might be some weird 
combo from Antivirus or blaklisted stuff on your system.


as a recap of your situation:

  - your first mail included screen-shots of the installer being 
unable to write files and you told us later that you only have an 
"admin" account.


    - this is strange: the only thing i can think of is that Pd was 
running when you tried to install a newer version.


  - this could have trigger the OS to blacklist the app (this is 
pure speculation)



If I where you i'll backup all my files and reinstall the OS.

if the problem persists we have no idea whats going on and hope pray 
no other Win10 user get into a similar situation.


Lucarda

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Re: [PD] Fwd: HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

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Hello Lucas and Christof,

How can I refuse a so honest proposition for running Pd in a debugger 
under Windows 10!
At over 70 years old I'm always ready for learning new technics and 
methods, as long as I'm understanding what I'm doing. 

So, I will install MSYS2 + associated and will process further.

Understood for WASAPI.

After having a first look at the docs, I have some preliminary comments 
/ questions:

- MSYS2 (https://www.msys2.org/)
The Install instructions for Windows seem to be okay.

- Debugger back-trace 
(https://nc.nubegris.com.ar/index.php/s/JwEjrPDEyP53oL7)
The described steps seem to be for Arch Linux or fork distributions and 
not for Windows?


- Link to get Pd-0.54-0 with debug symbols 
(https://nc.nubegris.com.ar/index.php/s/eKrTbHE4iyqAgAg)

Opening this pd-0.54.0-debug.zip (10.5 MB) file looks like for Windows.
But, for example, its Tcl/Tk and Wish files versions are '85' when in 
the portable version of Pd 0.54.0 they are in '86' version? So at least 
for them we will not compare apples with apples!


- Any other things you can think about for helping a new player in the 
Debug area...


I also want to contribute solving this mystery! 

Thanks. Best,
Joseph Gastelais



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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Linux ROUEN]

Hello Christof,

No chance at all!
"pd.com -noaudio" awa "pd.com -stderr -verbose -noprefs -nogui -noaudio" give 
the same "no result" than all my previous tests with Pd 0.54.0.

For the time being, I'm giving up on my production PC which has a multi-boot 3x 
GNU/Linux + Windows 10 and will use for Windows another PC which has a working 
Pd Vanilla 0.52.3 installed (of course, I will not try to update it).
In a couple of days, I will reinvestigate my production PC and will try to 
reinstall first Pd 0.53.2 under Windows 10, as even that is not working for the 
time being.
Fortunately the updated Purr Data 2.19.3 is running like a charm, but without 
Else and the up-to-date Cyclone 0.7.

Many thanks to All for your contribution.
Joseph Gastelais

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Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit 
is not running!

> So within a CMD terminal the following commands
> - pd.com
> - pd.com -stderr -verbose
> - pd.com -nogui
> - pd.com -noprefs
> give the same "no result" for both the installed and the portable versions
> of Pd 0.54.0.

Ok, thanks for testing. So it has nothing to do with the registry or 
with the gui preferences...

Now, can you also try "pd.com -noaudio"? And also "pd.com -stderr 
-verbose -noprefs -nogui -noaudio"?

> ==> Sig[3].Name=Nom du module défaillant = Name of the failing module
> ==> Sig[3].Value=ntdll.dll

Ah, right I missed that. Unfortunately, the crash report is very vague. 
To get the actual reason for the crash you would need to run Pd in a 
debugger...

Christof
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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Linux ROUEN]

Hello Christof,

1. Unfortunately here is the same no printout and no Pd launch as during my
previous tests.
Microsoft Windows [version 10.0.19045.3086]
(c) Microsoft Corporation. Tous droits réservés.
C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>pd.com -noprefs
 "blank line" for +/- 1 second
C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>pd.com -nogui
 "blank line" for +/- 1 second
C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>

So within a CMD terminal the following commands
- pd.com
- pd.com -stderr -verbose
- pd.com -nogui
- pd.com -noprefs
give the same "no result" for both the installed and the portable versions
of Pd 0.54.0.

2. Windows AppCrash report excerpts for "pd.com" for above 2 tests are not
only about loaded modules but also a pointer to where the issue "could
start" ==>.
Version=1
EventType=APPCRASH
.
Wow64Host=34404
NsAppName=pd.com
.
Sig[0].Name=Nom de l’application
Sig[0].Value=pd.com
Sig[1].Name=Version de l’application
Sig[1].Value=0.0.0.0
Sig[2].Name=Horodatage de l’application
Sig[2].Value=
==> Sig[3].Name=Nom du module défaillant = Name of the failing module
==> Sig[3].Value=ntdll.dll
Sig[4].Name=Version du module défaillant = Version of the failing module
Sig[4].Value=10.0.19041.3086
Sig[5].Name=Horodateur du module défaillant
Sig[5].Value=6349a4f2
Sig[6].Name=Code de l’exception = Exception Code
Sig[6].Value=c026
Sig[7].Name=Décalage de l’exception
Sig[7].Value=00102676
.

3. NTDLL.DLL excerpt from Wikipedia
NTDLL.DLL exports the Windows Native API. The Native API is the interface
used by user-mode components of the operating system that must run without
support from Win32 or other API subsystems. Most of this API is implemented
in NTDLL.DLL and at the upper edge of ntoskrnl.exe (and its variants), and
the majority of exported symbols within these libraries are prefixed Nt, for
example NtDisplayString. Native APIs are also used to implement many of the
"kernel APIs" or "base APIs" exported by KERNEL32.DLL.
The large majority of Windows applications do not call NTDLL.DLL directly.

Thanks, Joseph

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Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2
64-bit is not running!

Hi,
> After further searching on my PC, I was able to find the Windows AppCrash
> report (in the hidden C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\WER\ReportArchive)
> for this test which is here attached: "AppCrash_pd.com_Report1.wer" file
> (text format).
> As we can see on lines 29-32 the culprit (direct or indirect) seems to be
> the "ntdll.dll" module.

this is just the list of loaded modules. It doesn't say anything about 
where the crash happens.

Please try to run Pd from the command line with the following flags and 
tell the results:
1. pd.com -noprefs
2. pd.com -nogui

Cheers,
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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Linux ROUEN]

Hello IOhannes,

Unfortunately the situation is still the same than previously even with
"pd.com -stderr -verbose".
No printout in the CMD terminal and I can't run Pd Vanilla 0.54.0.

Microsoft Windows [version 10.0.19045.3086]
(c) Microsoft Corporation. Tous droits réservés.
C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>pd.com -stderr -verbose
 "blank line" for about 1 second
C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>

After further searching on my PC, I was able to find the Windows AppCrash
report (in the hidden C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\WER\ReportArchive)
for this test which is here attached: "AppCrash_pd.com_Report1.wer" file
(text format).
As we can see on lines 29-32 the culprit (direct or indirect) seems to be
the "ntdll.dll" module.
This is true for both the installed version (C:\Program Files\Pd\bin) awa
the portable version (H:\JOE-W10\Desktop\pd-0.54-0 Portable\bin) of Pd
0.54.0.

Can somebody understands this pd.com crash report and gives directions for
further investigations?

Thanks, Joseph

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Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2
64-bit is not running!

Am 9. Juli 2023 14:44:40 MESZ schrieb Linux ROUEN :
>Hello Lucas,
>
>With the command "pd" or "pd.com" from within the appropriate Pd folder the
terminal prints nothing, only running +/- 1 second then returns to its
waiting state.

Ah, I missed that Lucas already suggested running on on the cmdline.
Anyhow, run Pd with -stderr and -verbose:
```
pd.com -stderr -verbose
```

>
>QUESTION: I'm seeing in your here below email: "C:\Program
Files\Pd64\bin>"?
>When on my PC is "C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>"!
>Am I missing something about this 64-bit?
No

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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

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Hello Lucas,

With the command "pd" or "pd.com" from within the appropriate Pd folder the 
terminal prints nothing, only running +/- 1 second then returns to its waiting 
state.
This is true for both the installed version (C:\Program Files\Pd\bin) awa the 
portable version (H:\JOE-W10\Desktop\pd-0.54-0 Portable\bin) of Pd 0.54.0.

Microsoft Windows [version 10.0.19045.3086]
(c) Microsoft Corporation. Tous droits réservés.
C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>pd.com -or- pd
 "blank line"
C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>

QUESTION: I'm seeing in your here below email: "C:\Program Files\Pd64\bin>"?
When on my PC is "C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>"!
Am I missing something about this 64-bit?

Thanks, Joseph

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Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit 
is not running!

On 7/9/2023 2:34 AM, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
> now Pd **should** run.

further more:
i tried to corrupt my registry to "0 -2" in the key of my previous mail 
but Pd starts anyway so i'm lost again.

please do the following:
   - in the file explorer navigate to "C:\Program Files\Pd\bin"
   - in the address menu type "cmd" and hit enter
 - now a new window with a prompt appear "C:\Program Files\Pd64\bin>"
   - type "pd" (no quotes) and hit enter

what does the terminal print?
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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Linux ROUEN]

Hello Lucas,
Unfortunately your trick is not improving my situation.
This is true for both the installed version awa the portable version of Pd 
0.54.0.
Thanks, Joseph

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Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit 
is not running!

On 7/8/2023 10:17 PM, Linux ROUEN wrote:
> I have made an in-depth cleaning of my Windows system and then installed for 
> the 4th time Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 (.exe), but still no luck I can't launch the 
> application, nothing happens. ...

Joseph thanks for the report!

there is something wrong here:
from your attached "Pure-Data-0.54.0_REG-1.txt"
~~~
Valeur 3
   Nom :audioindev1
   Type :REG_EXPAND_SZ
   Données :0 -2
~~~
this should be
"Données :0 2"
without the negative 2

I don't know "how" or "why" the "0 -2" got into the registry. May be 
related to the new WASAPI functionality introduced in 0.54-0. but this 
is only speculation.

to fix this there are 2 methods, try them in the following order.

--1 (Debussy: Syrinx) (you don't loose prefs)
   - open windows registry editor and navigate to 
"Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data"
   - in the right pane right-click over "audioindev1" and select "Modifiy.."
   - set the "value data" to "0 2" (without the the quotes, just the two 
numbers)
   - hit OK
   hopefully Pd should run.

--2 (Deep Purple: Burn) (all prefs are gone)
   - open windows registry editor and navigate to 
"Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data"
   - in the left pane right-click over "Pure-Data" and select "Delete"
   now Pd **should** run.
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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Linux ROUEN]

Hello Lucas,

I have made an in-depth cleaning of my Windows system and then installed for 
the 4th time Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 (.exe), but still no luck I can't launch the 
application, nothing happens.

I'm not a Windows Registry specialist but the here attached 2 files are a 
snapshot of Pd Preferences and not about the program itself, or it's missing 
something.
- Pure-Data-0.54.0_REG-1.txt = "Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data"
- Pure-Data-0.54.0_REG-2.txt = 
"Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data\org.puredata.pd.pd-gui"
I hope this will help.

As a remainder, my troubles started when I used the Uninstall program of Pd 
0.53.2 prior installing for the 1st time Pd 0.54.0 .exe.
During my above cleaning I discovered that Pd 0.53.2 was not really 
uninstalled, as seen by the system, even if the C:\Program Files\Pd folder was 
gone. This is why during my 3rd installation Pd Installer gave me such a 
warning that Pd 0.54.0 is already installed, it was confusing. And when 
removing properly Pd 0.53.2 with Programs & Functionalities it also removed Pd 
0.54.0. But this doesn't solved my issue.

Thanks,
Joseph Gastelais

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Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit 
is not running!

On 08/07/2023 20:04, Linux ROUEN wrote:
> So back on track to the Pd List...

please do:
- open windows registry editor and navigate to 
"Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data"
- on the left pane right-click on "Pure Data" folder
   - select "export"
 - in the "save as type" select "txt"
 - give it a name and hit "save"
- do the same export but this time on folder 
"Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data\org.puredata.pd.pd-gui"
- attach both files and post them in this list.
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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Linux ROUEN]

So back on track to the Pd List...

The bad thing under Windows 10 64-bit started yesterday when I used the 
Uninstall included into Pd 0.53.2 prior trying to install Pd 0.54.0 (see my 
previous emails here below).
By the way today I updated Purr Data from 2.19.2 to 2.19.3 and everything went 
well including the launch of the application an use of my patches. The 
Uninstall previous version function included directly into the program has made 
its job.
And yes, I'm since years with only one account with Admin rights and never had 
such kind of issue under Windows 10 Pro neither with Pd Vanilla, nor Pd-L2Ork 
nor Purr Data, nor now PlugData.

So if both Pd 0.54.0 .exe and .zip are effectively working on other Windows 10 
machines (PLEASE DO CONFIRM), I do need to investigate in depth what happened 
on mine!

-Message d'origine-
De : Lucarda [mailto:luca...@lucarda.com.ar] 
Envoyé : dimanche 9 juillet 2023 00:24
À : Linux ROUEN
Cc : mpucke...@cloud.ucsd.edu
Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit 
is not running!

> Also have a look at my last answer to Miller where the unzipped 
> “pd-0.54-0.msw.zip” file is not working too.

OMG!
what is happening with your machine?
i'm totally lost :)

looking at the pics you posted to the list: why you could not write 
files if you are admin?

why you can't run your unzipped “pd-0.54-0.msw.zip” ?
really lost!!!

please don't reply to me on this address and lets continue on the pd-list.
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De : Linux ROUEN [mailto:linux.ro...@free.fr] 
Envoyé : dimanche 9 juillet 2023 00:08
À : 'Lucarda'
Cc : 'mpucke...@cloud.ucsd.edu'
Objet : RE: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit 
is not running!
Hello Lucarda,

I’m running Window 10 Pro with an Administrator account since years (see here 
below picture).
As written, I never had this kind of issue with  Pd Vanilla neither 0.53.0, nor 
0.53.1 and 0.53.2.
Nevertheless, I will investigate your 3 messages and will see.

Also have a look at my last answer to Miller where the unzipped 
“pd-0.54-0.msw.zip” file is not working too.

Thanks,
Joseph Gastelais

-Message d'origine-
De : Linux ROUEN [mailto:linux.ro...@free.fr] 
Envoyé : samedi 8 juillet 2023 23:44
À : 'Miller Puckette'
Cc : 'pd-list@lists.iem.at'
Objet : RE: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit 
is not running!

Done... pd-0.54-0.msw.zip... but there is no "pd.cmd" inside the 
"\Desktop\pd-0.54-0\bin" folder... only "pd.com" and "pd.exe".

Double-clicking on "pd.com" opens for about 1 second a terminal but doesn't 
launch Pd Vanilla.
Double-clicking on "pd.exe" doesn't launch Pd Vanilla.
In both case, no "wish" found in the Windows Tasks Manager.

Thanks.

-Message d'origine-
De : Miller Puckette [mailto:mpucke...@cloud.ucsd.edu] 
Envoyé : samedi 8 juillet 2023 23:04
À : Linux ROUEN
Cc : pd-list@lists.iem.at
Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit 
is not running!

Well, the "System tells there is already a Pd installation" message 
looks suspicious - but I don't understand the inner workings of the 
installer generator ("nsis") that makes the .exe file so I'm not sure if 
it's anything to worry about.

OTOH, one thing to try would be to manually ... grab the ".zip" file and 
unzip it somewhere in your own files (desktop is OK), then click inside 
"PD\bin" and try starting "pd.cmd" (the terminal app version) and see 
what it says/does.

 From the fact that you have a hung "Wish" app but no "pd" I think 
somehow the gui application (a Wish script) is somehow not even getting 
to where it tries to start pd, which is a separate application with no GUI.

Meanwhile I can't get to a Windows 10 machine myself until Wednesday so 
I can't test any of this myself yet.

Thanks for the reporting in any case!
Miller
= = = = = = = = = =


On 7/8/23 08:02, Linux ROUEN wrote:
> Hello Miller,
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> No more luck trying to launch Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 after my 3rd installation 
> attempt under Windows 10.
>
> Installation procedure (with antivirus disabled):
> - Manually deleted "C:\Program Files\Pd" folder,
> - Manually deleted Pd Vanilla "StartMenu" entries,
> - Rebooted my PC,
> - Installed "pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe" file without any errors,
>. except a warning message at the beginning of the procedure stating that:
>  "System tells there is already a Pd installation" which impossible!
> - At the end of the installation, ran Pure Data 0.54.0, but nothing happened!
> - In the Windows Tasks Manager, Wish is running but no Pd.
> See the attached zip file summarizing the above.
>
> Best,
> Joseph Gastelai

Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Linux ROUEN]

Done... pd-0.54-0.msw.zip... but there is no "pd.cmd" inside the 
"\Desktop\pd-0.54-0\bin" folder... only "pd.com" and "pd.exe".

Double-clicking on "pd.com" opens for about 1 second a terminal but doesn't 
launch Pd Vanilla.
Double-clicking on "pd.exe" doesn't launch Pd Vanilla.
In both case, no "wish" found in the Windows Tasks Manager.

Thanks.

-Message d'origine-
De : Miller Puckette [mailto:mpucke...@cloud.ucsd.edu] 
Envoyé : samedi 8 juillet 2023 23:04
À : Linux ROUEN
Cc : pd-list@lists.iem.at
Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit 
is not running!

Well, the "System tells there is already a Pd installation" message 
looks suspicious - but I don't understand the inner workings of the 
installer generator ("nsis") that makes the .exe file so I'm not sure if 
it's anything to worry about.

OTOH, one thing to try would be to manually ... grab the ".zip" file and 
unzip it somewhere in your own files (desktop is OK), then click inside 
"PD\bin" and try starting "pd.cmd" (the terminal app version) and see 
what it says/does.

 From the fact that you have a hung "Wish" app but no "pd" I think 
somehow the gui application (a Wish script) is somehow not even getting 
to where it tries to start pd, which is a separate application with no GUI.

Meanwhile I can't get to a Windows 10 machine myself until Wednesday so 
I can't test any of this myself yet.

Thanks for the reporting in any case!

Miller


On 7/8/23 08:02, Linux ROUEN wrote:
> Hello Miller,
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> No more luck trying to launch Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 after my 3rd installation 
> attempt under Windows 10.
>
> Installation procedure (with antivirus disabled):
> - Manually deleted "C:\Program Files\Pd" folder,
> - Manually deleted Pd Vanilla "StartMenu" entries,
> - Rebooted my PC,
> - Installed "pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe" file without any errors,
>. except a warning message at the beginning of the procedure stating that:
>  "System tells there is already a Pd installation" which impossible!
> - At the end of the installation, ran Pure Data 0.54.0, but nothing happened!
> - In the Windows Tasks Manager, Wish is running but no Pd.
> See the attached zip file summarizing the above.
>
> Best,
> Joseph Gastelais
>
> -Message d'origine-
> De : Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-boun...@lists.iem.at] De la part de Miller 
> Puckette
> Envoyé : samedi 8 juillet 2023 15:24
> À : pd-list@lists.iem.at
> Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 
> 64-bit is not running!
>
> Well, first off I'd like to see if you can get back up and running  0.53
> OK - then we can confidently try to figure out what happened with 0.54.
>
> I think the machine failed to un-install Pd 0.54 because it was running
> somehow without showing any windows.  The fix for that would be to look
> in the "task manager" (open that using the famous control-alt-delete key
> combination) and find all copies of Pd that are running, and kill them.
> At that point an "uninstall" should work, but it would be simpler and
> more direct simply to delete the folder "\Program Files\Pd".
>
> Once that's done you should be able to install and run Pd 0.53 as it was
> working before.
>
> NExt step, since this is Windows, might be simply to reinstall 0.54 and
> try it again.  If it doesn't immediately work then let's try together to
> figure out why and how to fix it :)
>
> Miller
>
> On 7/7/23 18:34, Linux ROUEN wrote:
>> Hello Pd List,
>>
>> Under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit, the previous 3 versions 0.53.0, 0.53.1
>> and 0.53.2 of Pure Data Vanilla were working okay, but not the latest
>> 0.54.0 version!
>>
>> I tried today to update to it using the
>> ‘pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe’ file from Miller’s site but after
>> the installation trying to launch it nothing happens.
>>
>> Installation procedure (with antivirus disabled):
>> - Uninstall Pd 0.53.2: okay
>> - Install ‘pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe’: everything went well
>> - Launch Pd 0.54.0: nothing happens!
>> - Uninstall Pd 0.54.0: okay
>> - Reinstall ‘pd-0.53-2.windows-installer.exe’: but lot of errors which
>> was not the case previously!
>> - Launch Pd 0.53.2: it’s opening?!
>> See the attached zip file for the error messages.
>>
>> - Uninstall Pd 0.53.2: okay
>> - Reinstall ‘pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe’: but now a lot of errors
>> like with 0.53.2 reinstallation!
>> - Launch Pd 0.54.0: still nothing happens!!
>> See the attached zip 

Re: [PD] midi file into [text sequence]?

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Hello Alexandre,

Yes, [else/midi] v.1.0.0 rc-7 can do it, but... It's Text format is not 
fully time-wise compatible with [cyclone/seq] v.0.7.0 output.


Examples using the same MIDI file saved as TEXTE file:
[else/midi] -> file.txt with delta time (ms) between 2 successive lines
39.0625 153 53 0;
46.875 151 84 0;
0 151 81 70;
13.0208 145 36 11;
5.20833 153 81 66;
0 177 1 0;
0 225 0 64;
39.0625 153 81 0;
65.1042 153 81 56;
39.0625 153 81 0;
65.1042 153 51 51;
39.0625 153 51 0;
65.1042 153 81 59;
39.0625 153 81 0;
0 145 36 0;
65.1042 153 81 58;

[cyclone/seq] -> file.txt with cumulative delta time (ms) from the 
beginning of the song

7565.1 153 53 0;
7611.98 151 84 0;
7611.98 151 81 70;
7625 145 36 11;
7630.21 153 81 66;
7630.21 177 1 0;
7630.21 225 0 64;
7669.27 153 81 0;
7734.37 153 81 56;
7773.44 153 81 0;
7838.54 153 51 51;
7877.6 153 51 0;
7942.71 153 81 59;
7981.77 153 81 0;
7981.77 145 36 0;
8046.87 153 81 58;

It would be useful if both MIDI Sequencer objects can directly share the 
same Text format, for both file.txt and object's [print output], so 
previous files.txt done with [cyclone/seq] can be directly reused with 
[else/midi].


Thanks.
- - - - - - -
Best, Joe
- - - - - - -

Le 22/04/2023 à 20:31, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
Hi, the [else/midi] object can save a midi file to text in a format 
that can be used in [text].


Em sáb., 22 de abr. de 2023 às 10:00, Peter P. 
 escreveu:


Thanks Miller, Christof, Patko,

midi2sco looks really good, I also found midi2csv which does a similar
job, keeping the midi pitch notation but possibly specifying time in
midi ticks, hence needing some polishing of the results as well.

best, Peter

* Miller Puckette  [2023-04-22 13:26]:
> I've been using the "midi2sco" program to convert MIDI files to
csound
> scores and then either reading the csound straight into a text
object (read
> -c message so end-of-line terminates lists) - and/or writing
simple awk
> scripts to change csound pitch notation back into MIDI pitches
and convert
> times to milliseconds.
>
> cheers
>
> Miller
>
> On 4/22/23 12:57, Christof Ressi wrote:
> > You can read the MIDI file with [mrpeach/midifile], output
everything in
> > a loop and save the MIDI messages in a [text] object. You just
need to
> > calculate the appropriate time delta between messages.
> >
> > Christof
> >
> > On 22.04.2023 07:46, Peter P. wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > starting to use [text sequence] instead of [qlist] more and
more, I am
> > > wondering how difficult it might be to write an external
script that
> > > converts .mid file into .txt usable by [textfile sequence]?
> > >
> > > Has anyone attempted something similar already? What would
be the
> > > easiest language and/or libraries to do this on DebianGNU Linux?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Peter
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Re: [PD] [porres/pd-else] [else/keyboard] issue with Pd Max. Zoom - Pd 0.53.1 / Ubuntu Studio 22.04 - Linux Mint 21 (Issue #1395)

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Hello Alexandre,

GREAT! Thank you for your hard work. 

Awaiting for your next ELSE library release so I can test it.

- - - - - - -
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Re: [PD] Pure Data Vanilla: [else/sfont~]... couldn't create under Manjaro Linux

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Hello Alexandre,

If I remember well, Albert has made some suggestions as he was able to 
compile a working version for Manjaro Linux...
My new ticket #1614 opened and closed today as it's a duplicate of #1499 
<https://github.com/porres/pd-else/issues/1499>.


Best, Joe
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Le 18/04/2023 à 19:13, Alexandre Torres Porres a écrit :
yes we were discussing this already in here 
https://github.com/porres/pd-else/issues/1499 and I still need help 
with compiling this or changing the script or using github actions... 
cheers


Em dom., 16 de abr. de 2023 às 22:09, Linux ROUEN Normandie 
 escreveu:


Roman, thanks for your analysis.

If I remember well, this was already mentioned 2 months ago prior
to the
Else v.1.0-0 rc-7 release.
I will reopen a ticket on Else's Github.

Best, Joe
==

Le 16/04/2023 à 21:22, Roman Haefeli a écrit :
> On Sun, 2023-04-16 at 20:40 +0200, Linux Rouen Normandie wrote:
>>   1. Same issue with latest [else/sfont~] v.1.0.0 rc-7
(installed thru
>> Deken) than with previous versions under Manjaro Linux 22.1.0 (Arch
>> Linux base).
> [...]
>
>>   2. Error in Pd's Console:
>>   /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/sfont~.l_amd64:
>>   libpcre.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
>> directory
>>   else/sfont~ -g 0.3
>>   ... couldn't create
> @Maintainer:
>
> According to some research, Manjaro/Arch doesn't come with
> libpcre.so.3. The script localdeps.linux.sh
<http://localdeps.linux.sh> included in the sfont~
> sources specifically excludes '*/libpcre.so.*' (line 18), so that no
> local copy of the library is distributed. Maybe this pattern
should be
> removed from 'exclude_paths', so that a local copy of libprce.so.*
> gets shipped with [sfont~].
>
> @Reporter:
>
> Maybe open an issue here:
> https://github.com/porres/pd-else/issues
>
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Re: [PD] Pure Data Vanilla: [else/sfont~]... couldn't create under Manjaro Linux

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Roman, thanks for your analysis.

If I remember well, this was already mentioned 2 months ago prior to the 
Else v.1.0-0 rc-7 release.

I will reopen a ticket on Else's Github.

Best, Joe
==

Le 16/04/2023 à 21:22, Roman Haefeli a écrit :

On Sun, 2023-04-16 at 20:40 +0200, Linux Rouen Normandie wrote:

  1. Same issue with latest [else/sfont~] v.1.0.0 rc-7 (installed thru
Deken) than with previous versions under Manjaro Linux 22.1.0 (Arch
Linux base).

[...]


  2. Error in Pd's Console:
  /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/sfont~.l_amd64:
  libpcre.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
directory
  else/sfont~ -g 0.3
  ... couldn't create

@Maintainer:

According to some research, Manjaro/Arch doesn't come with
libpcre.so.3. The script localdeps.linux.sh included in the sfont~
sources specifically excludes '*/libpcre.so.*' (line 18), so that no
local copy of the library is distributed. Maybe this pattern should be
removed from 'exclude_paths', so that a local copy of libprce.so.*
gets shipped with [sfont~].

@Reporter:

Maybe open an issue here:
https://github.com/porres/pd-else/issues

Roman

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[PD] Pure Data Vanilla: [else/sfont~]... couldn't create under Manjaro Linux

[Linux Rouen Normandie]

1. Same issue with latest [else/sfont~] v.1.0.0 rc-7 (installed thru 
Deken) than with previous versions under Manjaro Linux 22.1.0 (Arch 
Linux base).


---
  -> ELSE - EL Locus Solus' Externals for Pure Data <-
---
- Version: 1.0-0 rc-7; Released march 1st 2023
- Author: Alexandre Torres Porres
- Repository: https://github.com/porres/pd-else
- License: Do What The Fuck You Want To Public License
(unless otherwise noted in particular objects)
- ELSE 1.0-0 rc-7 needs at least Pd 0.53-2
(you have 0.53-2, you're good!)
---

2. Error in Pd's Console:
/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/sfont~.l_amd64:
libpcre.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
else/sfont~ -g 0.3
... couldn't create

3. Current workaround:
Continue to use Albert Graef's "else 1.0-0 rc-7; Unreleased" version
with [sfont~] version 1.0-rc6 (using fluidsynth 2.3.1)
---
  -> ELSE - EL Locus Solus' Externals for Pure Data <-
---
- Version: 1.0-0 rc-7; Unreleased
- Author: Alexandre Torres Porres
- Repository: https://github.com/porres/pd-else
- License: Do What The Fuck You Want To Public License
(unless otherwise noted in particular objects)
- ELSE 1.0-0 rc-7 needs at least Pd 0.53-1
(you have 0.53-2, you're good!)
---

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Re: [PD] [Deken] Wildcard does not work for 'kiosk*'?

[Linux Rouen Normandie]

On my RPi 400 / RPi OS 11 32-bit / Pd Vanilla 0.53.1,
'kiosk*' in 'Find externals' gives:
'kiosk-plugin' version 0.4 iembot as of 2021-05-03.

With Deken Preferences:
User Platform Linux-armv7-32,
and not Default Platform Linux-armv6-32.

Cheers,
Joe
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Le 28/03/2023 à 13:13, Roman Haefeli a écrit :

Hi all

When search 'kiosk-plugin' in 'Find externals', the plugin is listed.
When searching 'kiosk*', no results are found.

Using wildcards in the suggested example 'freeverb*' correctly returns
'freeverb~'.

Why does the wilcard character work for freeverb~ but not for kiosk-
plugin?

Roman

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Re: [PD] [SOLVED!] GOP auto-moving issue with Pd Vanilla 0.53.1 under GNU/Linux and Windows

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

I'm neither a Pure Data specialist nor a developer.
The best I can do, as a user, is to try thinking cleverly.

If I delete the 1st line on three from my reorganized Restore/Coords 
list, the result is still a good behavior of my GOP / patch.

So it seems this Coords was also referring to this canvas.
Why it was added if it's unnecessary ?

Best,
= = = = = = = = = =

Le 26/02/2023 à 16:20, João Pais a écrit :


without going to see the meaning of all coords parameters or how it's 
applied in the file: if both coords statements refer to the same 
canvas, wouldn't it be better to delete the first one?


= = = = = = = = = =

Hello João,

Thanks for your suggestions.
The first ones were not working, always the same jumping GOP issue.

So I spent some more time on analyzing the 1845 lines of my patch.pd 
file helped by this unofficial PdFileFormat article 
.
After a lot of testing I found the culprit, it is #X restore... and 
any associated #X coords... lines.


In my case I was able to fix my issue by modifying the order of 3 lines.

* Original Pd patch file for Restore & Coords: BAD behavior
/#X coords 0 -1 1 1 853 280 1 995 265;//
//#X restore 10 7 pd smpsk;//
//#X coords 0 293.5 1 292.5 850 280 0;//

/ * Modified Pd patch file for RESTORE & COORDS: Now GOOD behavior
/#X coords 0 293.5 1 292.5 850 280 0;//
//#X coords 0 -1 1 1 853 280 1 995 265;//
//#X restore 10 7 pd smpsk;/

It seems to be a question of properly sorting this 3 lines, here 
manually.

But it should be the automatic task of the Pd engine to do it, isn't it!

I will open an Issue on Miller Puckette Git site.

Best, Joe
= = = = = = = = = =

Le 25/02/2023 à 18:41, João Pais a écrit :
it could be that your object isn't in the position it looks like, 
but it's outside (above or below) the canvas, and it's only noticed 
when you click in it - although it should show slider panes in the 
window. You can try to move it downwards or upwards or check the 
patche's text file to see where exactly in the canvas it is.


or maybe not.

= = = = = = = = = =

Hello List,

In one of my project I have the same weird issue under both 
GNU/Linux (Linux Mint, Ubuntu Studio, Manjaro Linux, Raspberry Pi 
OS) and Windows with the use of Pd Vanilla GOP.
It's moving/jumping down/up (y axis only) when 
maximizing/minimizing its windows or changing its y size with the 
mouse.
See here attached animated GIF file (zoom-out) realized with a RPi 
400.


This is true for both zoom-out / zoom-in level.
But its parent patch doesn't have this weird behavior. The x,y 
position of the GOP is not impacted at all.


Removing from its parent patch all the objects, inside + outside 
the GOP, doesn't change this weird behavior.
Note that trying to reproduce this problem from scratch with very 
simple patches+GOP is not always giving the same result. Sometimes 
it's okay but sometimes not. Random behavior seems to be around.


Is there a known bug in Pd Vanilla or something wrong in the design 
of my patch regarding GOP?


Thank you. Best,
Joe-Rouen

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Re: [PD] [SOLVED!] GOP auto-moving issue with Pd Vanilla 0.53.1 under GNU/Linux and Windows

[Linux Rouen Normandie]

Hello João,

Thanks for your suggestions.
The first ones were not working, always the same jumping GOP issue.

So I spent some more time on analyzing the 1845 lines of my patch.pd 
file helped by this unofficial PdFileFormat article 
.
After a lot of testing I found the culprit, it is #X restore... and any 
associated #X coords... lines.


In my case I was able to fix my issue by modifying the order of 3 lines.

* Original Pd patch file for Restore & Coords: BAD behavior
/#X coords 0 -1 1 1 853 280 1 995 265;//
//#X restore 10 7 pd smpsk;//
//#X coords 0 293.5 1 292.5 850 280 0;//

/ * Modified Pd patch file for RESTORE & COORDS: Now GOOD behavior
/#X coords 0 293.5 1 292.5 850 280 0;//
//#X coords 0 -1 1 1 853 280 1 995 265;//
//#X restore 10 7 pd smpsk;/

It seems to be a question of properly sorting this 3 lines, here manually.
But it should be the automatic task of the Pd engine to do it, isn't it!

I will open an Issue on Miller Puckette Git site.

Best, Joe
= = = = = = = = = =

Le 25/02/2023 à 18:41, João Pais a écrit :
it could be that your object isn't in the position it looks like, but 
it's outside (above or below) the canvas, and it's only noticed when 
you click in it - although it should show slider panes in the window. 
You can try to move it downwards or upwards or check the patche's text 
file to see where exactly in the canvas it is.


or maybe not.

= = = = = = = = = =

Hello List,

In one of my project I have the same weird issue under both GNU/Linux 
(Linux Mint, Ubuntu Studio, Manjaro Linux, Raspberry Pi OS) and 
Windows with the use of Pd Vanilla GOP.
It's moving/jumping down/up (y axis only) when maximizing/minimizing 
its windows or changing its y size with the mouse.

See here attached animated GIF file (zoom-out) realized with a RPi 400.

This is true for both zoom-out / zoom-in level.
But its parent patch doesn't have this weird behavior. The x,y 
position of the GOP is not impacted at all.


Removing from its parent patch all the objects, inside + outside the 
GOP, doesn't change this weird behavior.
Note that trying to reproduce this problem from scratch with very 
simple patches+GOP is not always giving the same result. Sometimes 
it's okay but sometimes not. Random behavior seems to be around.


Is there a known bug in Pd Vanilla or something wrong in the design 
of my patch regarding GOP?


Thank you. Best,
Joe-Rouen

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Re: [PD] [SOLVED] Pd Vanilla 0.53.1 is crashing under GNU/Linux

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Hello IOhannes,

I just updated my Pure Data Vanilla v.0.53.1+ds-1 to v.0.53.1+ds-2, both 
~ubuntu22.04~ppa1.

And my here below crash problem is gone under Linux Mint 21.1 ! :)
Now, I will test it under Ubuntu Studio 22.04 and Manjaro Linux 22 awa 
Windows 10.


Debian Package ChangeLog 
<https://debian.pkgs.org/sid/debian-main-amd64/puredata_0.53.1+ds-2_all.deb.html>

2023-01-28 - IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) 
puredata (0.53.1+ds-2) unstable; urgency=medium
* Backport upstream ALSA-MIDI fix <==
* Bump standards version to 4.6.2

Thanks for your great support.
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Best,
Joe @ Rouen - FR
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Le 26/01/2023 à 17:17, Linux ROUEN Normandie a écrit :

Hello List,
I'm looking for some help from experienced users, at least more than I. 

PROBLEM: I'm facing to an annoying issue I never had before with only 
one of my projects under development: Simple MIDI Sequencer (SMS) 
Vanilla. Means my problem could be externals related?
Up to the last days everything was okay, but after a day of 
modifications I saved a last time my project, and...
Now after having launched Pd Vanilla v.0.53.1 (PPA install) and then 
opening my project both immediately close automatically (which is not 
the case with my other projects).


I'm running under Linux Mint 21.1 Cinnamon 64-bit (Ubuntu 22.04 LTS 
base) and I'm using objects from the following 8 Externals (Deken 
install):
Cyclone 0.6.1, Else 1.0.0 rc6, Ggee 0.28, IemLib 1.22.2, Jmmmp 0.61.0, 
List-Abs 0.1.0, PdOgg 0.25 and Zexy 2.4.1 (they are supposed to be up 
to date).


As you can see here-after "puredata" or "puredata -verbose" are not 
working BUT "puredata -stderr" is working. Weird, isn't it!


Any thoughts and/or search directions are more than the welcome.
Thank you.
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Best,
Joe @ Rouen - FR
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1st Test / Launching from a Terminal => Not working

joe@mint21:~$ puredata  -or-  puredata -verbose
Pd-0.53.1 ("") compiled for Debian (0.53.1+ds-1~ubuntu22.04~ppa1) on 
2022/12/15 at 22:02:06 UTC

float precision = 32 bits
port 34801
TCL_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/puredata/lib/tcl/library" 
TK_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/puredata/lib/tk/library"   wish 
"/usr/lib/puredata/tcl//pd-gui.tcl" 34801

Waiting for connection request...
... connected
/usr/lib/puredata/bin/pd-watchdog
.
Then opening my SMS Vanilla project from with Pd Vanilla immediately 
closes both Pd and my project.
So, same bad behavior than in my above introduction but now with a 
"segmentation error" indication!

.
==> Erreur de segmentation (core dumped); i.e. segmentation error
joe@mint21:~$

2nd Test / Launching from a Terminal => Working okay

Very strange thing here by just adding "-stderr" I'm able to run, 
modify and save my project without any issue.
Note1: Now the same is also true in pure graphic mode if I'm adding 
"-stderr" to Pd Startup options, but with no output in the Pd Console.


Note2: In the here-below long terminal output I removed the 
unnecessary stuff like all the kind of "verbose(4): tried 
./cyclone.l_amd64 and FAILED" (about hundreds and hundreds and 
hundreds of objects).


joe@mint21:~$ puredata -stderr
Pd-0.53.1 ("") compiled for Debian (0.53.1+ds-1~ubuntu22.04~ppa1) on 
2022/12/15 at 22:02:06 UTC

float precision = 32 bits
verbose(4): input channels = 2, output channels = 2
port 35797
TCL_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/puredata/lib/tcl/library" 
TK_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/puredata/lib/tk/library"   wish 
"/usr/lib/puredata/tcl//pd-gui.tcl" 35797

Waiting for connection request...
verbose(4): running at normal (non-real-time) priority.
... connected
verbose(4): priority 6 scheduling enabled.
verbose(4): running at normal (non-real-time) priority.
/usr/lib/puredata/bin/pd-watchdog
opened alsa MIDI client 128 in:1 out:1

verbose(4): tried 
/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/cyclone/cyclone.l_amd64 and succeeded


.
:: Cyclone 0.6-1 needs at least Pd 0.52-0 (you have 0.53-1, you're good!)
.


verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/else.l_amd64 and 
succeeded

---
.
- ELSE 1.0-0 rc-6 needs at least Pd 0.53-1 (you have 0.53-1, you're good!)
.
---

verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/iemlib/iemlib.pd_linux 
and succeeded
verbose(4): warning: class 'wrap' overwritten; old one renamed 
'wrap_aliased'

iemlib (1.22) library loaded!   (c) Thomas Musil Nov 13 2018 : 20:19:12
mu...@iem.at iem KUG Graz Austria

verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/zexy/zexy.pd_linux and 
succeeded

    ♡♡♡
    ♡ th

Re: [PD] Pd Vanilla 0.53.1 is crashing under GNU/Linux

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Great! "./bin/pd" is making the trick!
Pd + SMS Vanilla (back to its complete objects set) are opening with no 
more crash and everything seems to be working, except...


PB: The Pd console is now displaying "ALSA output error (snd_pcm_open): 
Device or resource busy" (which is not the case) with DSP On and 
Vu-Meter well displaying the audio level outputted by [else/sfont~]. 
This is leading to no sound heard at the PC level.

Perhaps it's normal as we are running here a special Pd version?

Info: After further analyzing and testing my SMS project I found when it 
moved from a working (v.0.1.50) to a crashing state (v0.1.52).
On the left-most side of the patch I have under *Sequencer* [midiin] and 
[midiout] objects.

in 0.1.52 I added a [spigot] between both for enabling a MIDI-Thru function.
Changing it from [spigot] to [#spigot], saving the patch and reopening 
it, SMS Vanilla + Pd are no more crashing.


Thank you.
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Best, Joe
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Le 29/01/2023 à 15:34, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :

On 1/29/23 02:59, Linux ROUEN Normandie wrote:


bin/pd 
/media/joe/DATA_UNIX/PROJECTS/Pure-Data/patchs/SMS-Vanilla/simple-midi-sequencer-vanilla-0152.pd


I'm getting:
Pd-0.54.0 ("draft") compiled 02:12:53 Jan 29 2023
float precision = 32 bits
port 38139
TCL_LIBRARY="../lib/tcl/library" TK_LIBRARY="../lib/tk/library" wish 
"../tcl//pd-gui.tcl" 38139

Waiting for connection request...
Error in startup script: couldn't read file "../tcl//pd-gui.tcl": no 


yikes, that's another weird one. i can reproduce it and the solution 
is to use "./bin/pd" instead of "bin/pd"...



When I look for 'pd-gui.tcl', I find it well in 
'/home/joe/pure-data/tcl'.

Strange thing to have this double slash in '/tcl//pd-gui.t


just for the record, the double-slash is harmless, and it ends up 
being equivalent to a single-slash


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Re: [PD] Pd Vanilla 0.53.1 is crashing under GNU/Linux

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Hello IOhannes,

Disabling [else/sfont~ -g 0.3] by doing [#else/sfont~ -g 0.3] is also 
making the trick. Pd is no more crashing when my SMS Vanilla patch is 
opening.


As I wrote it here-below:
"I will further investigate my patch as I was obliged, for the time 
being, to add some glue to [else/sfont~] for avoiding Pd crashing as 
long as there is no SoundFont loaded.
See this ISSUE <https://github.com/porres/pd-else/issues/1441> for more 
information."


So, the new potential culprit is now the [else/sfont~] object.
After adding my "anti-crash glue" I was able to have it working for days 
BUT then I surely made a modification in it and I missed its side effect 
when reopening the path.

I will keep you posted about my find.

Q: Do you thing what you found out about [midiout] is still relevant?

I'm very sorry for having kept you so busy with my problem.
Thank you very much.
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Best, Joe
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Le 28/01/2023 à 18:21, Linux ROUEN Normandie a écrit :

Hello IOhannes,
See below.
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Best, Joe
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Le 28/01/2023 à 00:28, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :

On 1/27/23 21:40, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

does your patch crash if you disable the [cyclone/midiformat] object?


ah well, at least for me disabling [cyclone/midiformat] just prevents 
data to be sent to `[midiout]` which indeed crashes.


the simplest crasher i've found with regard to this is:
```
[loadbang]
|
[176, 7, 100(
|
[midiout]
```

and run this patch with `-nomidi`.

I'm not sure whether this is the root cause for *your* problem, but 
at least it prevents me from digging any deeper for now.
I confirm on my side the same bad behavior with your above simplest 
crasher.
I will further investigate my patch as I was obliged, for the time 
being, to add some glue to [else/sfont~] for avoiding Pd crashing as 
long as there is no SoundFont loaded.
See this ISSUE <https://github.com/porres/pd-else/issues/1441> for 
more information.


i've submitted a fix for the issue *i've* found in the 'develop' 
branch on github.


could you try to compile that version of Pd yourself and see whether 
the problem persists?

I will try to find it then compile this version of Pd and I will see.
Note that I'm not a complilation expert!
Thank you.


fmsad
IOhannes

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Re: [PD] Pd Vanilla 0.53.1 is crashing under GNU/Linux

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Hello IOhannes,
See below.
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Best, Joe
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Le 28/01/2023 à 00:28, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :

On 1/27/23 21:40, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:

does your patch crash if you disable the [cyclone/midiformat] object?


ah well, at least for me disabling [cyclone/midiformat] just prevents 
data to be sent to `[midiout]` which indeed crashes.


the simplest crasher i've found with regard to this is:
```
[loadbang]
|
[176, 7, 100(
|
[midiout]
```

and run this patch with `-nomidi`.

I'm not sure whether this is the root cause for *your* problem, but at 
least it prevents me from digging any deeper for now.
I confirm on my side the same bad behavior with your above simplest 
crasher.
I will further investigate my patch as I was obliged, for the time 
being, to add some glue to [else/sfont~] for avoiding Pd crashing as 
long as there is no SoundFont loaded.
See this ISSUE  for 
more information.


i've submitted a fix for the issue *i've* found in the 'develop' 
branch on github.


could you try to compile that version of Pd yourself and see whether 
the problem persists?

I will try to find it then compile this version of Pd and I will see.
Note that I'm not a complilation expert!
Thank you.


fmsad
IOhannes

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Re: [PD] Pd Vanilla 0.53.1 is crashing under GNU/Linux

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Hello IOhannes,

It looks very interesting.

On my side, the second right-most [cyclone/midiformat] changed to 
[#cyclone/midiformat] is still crashing Pd.


But the first left-most [cyclone/midiformat] changed to 
[#cyclone/midiformat] is making the trick. No more Pd crashing after 
several tries.


Thank you.
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Best, Joe
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Le 27/01/2023 à 21:40, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :

another suggestion:
does your patch crash if you disable the [cyclone/midiformat] object?
there are two instances of the object; i'm mainly interested in the 
second/right-most one (position: 1525 654).
simply replacing "cyclone/midiformat" with "#cyclone/midiformat" 
should suffice for the check.


mfdsa
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Re: [PD] Pd Vanilla 0.53.1 is crashing under GNU/Linux

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Hello IOhannes,

Here is the LINK <https://transfert.free.fr/V6Bhpm> to download my 
SMS-Vanilia_8xExternals+PdSetings.zip file (~ 50 MB zipped / ~ 170 MB 
unzipped ).


Here attached the Pdsettings file as I missed it in the above zip file.

I will test today your suggestion for [cyclone/midiformat].

Thank you.
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Best, Joe
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Le 27/01/2023 à 21:40, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :

On 1/27/23 19:12, Linux ROUEN Normandie wrote:
All the 8 Externals used in my SMS Vanilla project are coming 
directly from Pd / Deken (no download from the distros repositories) 
filtered for the Linux-amd64-32 platform.
So, I believe it's make not sense I send you the Externals binaries as 


honestly, in order to reproduce your problem i would like to have the 
binaries that you have installed on your computer.
it shouldn't be super-complicated to get them, and it ensures that i 
have the very same binaries as youare using, without second guessing 
what you clicked when.


also, thanks for your screenshots of the preferences.
unfortunately i'm have a hard time with quickly re-playing the content 
of images, so: would it be possible to also send your ~/.pdsettings?

(i should hvae mentioned that file in my previous post; sorry).



they are downloadable directly from Deken in their latest versions.
Regarding Pdogg, the versions difference is coming from what is 
displayed when you download it (0.0 extended) and what is mentioned 
inside its Readme.txt file (0.25).


Please see attached image summarizing above.

Note: As I wrote it in the Issue I opened yesterday on your Zexy Git 
site, I had a blocking conflict under Windows 10 for the [else/sfont~] 


that's really unrelated.


another suggestion:
does your patch crash if you disable the [cyclone/midiformat] object?
there are two instances of the object; i'm mainly interested in the 
second/right-most one (position: 1525 654).
simply replacing "cyclone/midiformat" with "#cyclone/midiformat" 
should suffice for the check.


mfdsa
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noaudioin: False
audioindev1: 0 2
audioindevname1: HDA Intel MID (hardware)
noaudioout: False
audiooutdev1: 0 2
audiooutdevname1: HDA Intel MID (hardware)
audiobuf: 25
rate: 48000
callback: 0
audioblocksize: 128
midiapi: 1
nomidiin: False
midiindev1: 0
midiindevname1: ALSA MIDI device #1
nomidiout: False
midioutdev1: 0
midioutdevname1: ALSA MIDI device #1
path1: /usr/lib/puredata/extra
path2: /home/joe/Pure-Data/Live-Electronics-Tutorial
path3: /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/jmmmp
path4: /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals
path5: /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/cyclone
path6: /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else
path7: /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/ext13
path8: /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/ggee
path9: /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/hcs
path10: /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/iemlib
path11: /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/iemmatrix
path12: /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/libdir
path13: /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/list-abs
path14: /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/maxlib
path15: /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/pddp
path16: /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/pdogg
path17: /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/tof
path18: /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/zexy
npath: 18
standardpath: 0
verbose: 1
loadlib1: cyclone
loadlib2: else
loadlib3: iemlib
loadlib4: zexy
nloadlib: 4
defeatrt: 0
flags: 
zoom: 1
loading: no
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Re: [PD] Pd Vanilla 0.53.1 is crashing under GNU/Linux

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

This is the best I can do for the time being with Backtrace / Coredump. 
See the attached .txt file.

Is it enough or do you need more/different data?
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Le 27/01/2023 à 10:46, Linux ROUEN Normandie a écrit :

Hello IOhannes,

Please find here-attached my SMS-Vanilla zip file which included my 
complete (with all the objects) Pd patch (v.0.1.52) with its GOP as 
well as a screenshot of it (GUI).


I never used Backtrace, so I will give it a try.

Note: I opened yesterday an Issue regarding [operating_system] on your 
Git site. Could it be a duplicate vs. this one?


Thank you.
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Best,
Joe @ Rouen - FR
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Le 27/01/2023 à 07:43, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit :

On 1/26/23 18:29, Linux ROUEN Normandie wrote:

Thank you for your suggestions...

Further and further testing I found the potential culprit which 
seems to be [operating_system] from the Zexy library.
This object even not connected but just present in my patch is 
crashing both my project + Pd Vanilla when I try to reopen my SMS 
Vanilla project.


given that [operating_system] is a trivial object 
(implementation-wise), i tihkn the problem must be somewhere else.


could you provide a backtrace[1], or send me the complete patch 
(ideally including all the externals).
(send me the patch off-list is it is too big or don't want to 
publicly share it)


gdsamr
IOhannes

gdsa
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[1] https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace

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joe@mint21:/var/lib/systemd/coredump$ coredumpctl info -1
   PID: 86193 (pd)
   UID: 1000 (joe)
   GID: 1000 (joe)
Signal: 11 (SEGV)
 Timestamp: Fri 2023-01-27 16:31:03 CET (29s ago)
  Command Line: /usr/lib/puredata/tcl/../bin/pd -guiport 45035
Executable: /usr/lib/puredata/bin/pd
 Control Group: /user.slice/user-1000.slice/session-c2.scope
  Unit: session-c2.scope
 Slice: user-1000.slice
   Session: c2
 Owner UID: 1000 (joe)
   Boot ID: 2ff1594ba63d461ba8bb70f67537120b
Machine ID: b76cc7b1bbdc489e93909d2043031de8
  Hostname: mint21
   Storage: 
/var/lib/systemd/coredump/core.pd.1000.2ff1594ba63d461ba8bb70f67537120b.86193.167483346300.zst
 (present)
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Found module 
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with build-id: 58eb889fda1ae7529b25ac457f37c786e86ea263
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with build-id: 396bbe18de56667a1747ecd402bc529f0aff6679
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/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/keyboard.l_amd64 with build-id: 
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/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/cyclone/midiparse.l_amd64 with build-id: 
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with build-id: 6467699aba0a2550625eac81a3de634cb2c277fa
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Found module /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/lb.l_amd64 with 
build-id: 617d5f24bc27832c4f12e30a57d61ede81300a3f
   PID: 86193 (pd)
   UID: 1000 (joe)
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Re: [PD] Pd Vanilla 0.53.1 is crashing under GNU/Linux

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Thank you for your suggestions...

Further and further testing I found the potential culprit which seems to 
be [operating_system] from the Zexy library.
This object even not connected but just present in my patch is crashing 
both my project + Pd Vanilla when I try to reopen my SMS Vanilla project.
It's still a very weird behavior as it's working when Pd is launched 
from a terminal with "puredata - stderr" command line.


I will report this issue to IOhannes.
- - - - - - -
Best, Joe
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Le 26/01/2023 à 17:36, José Rafael Subía Valdez a écrit :

2 things you can try,
1. be sure to disable any loadbangs (this can be done with a flag) 
like this -noloadbang

2. run your patch via terminal to possibly catch more information.

so.. open terminal and type

pd -noloadbang file.pd
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On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 11:27 AM Linux ROUEN Normandie 
 wrote:


Hello List,
I'm looking for some help from experienced users, at least more
than I. 

PROBLEM: I'm facing to an annoying issue I never had before with
only one of my projects under development: Simple MIDI Sequencer
(SMS) Vanilla. Means my problem could be externals related?
Up to the last days everything was okay, but after a day of
modifications I saved a last time my project, and...
Now after having launched Pd Vanilla v.0.53.1 (PPA install) and
then opening my project both immediately close automatically
(which is not the case with my other projects).

I'm running under Linux Mint 21.1 Cinnamon 64-bit (Ubuntu 22.04
LTS base) and I'm using objects from the following 8 Externals
(Deken install):
Cyclone 0.6.1, Else 1.0.0 rc6, Ggee 0.28, IemLib 1.22.2, Jmmmp
0.61.0, List-Abs 0.1.0, PdOgg 0.25 and Zexy 2.4.1 (they are
supposed to be up to date).

As you can see here-after "puredata" or "puredata -verbose" are
not working BUT "puredata -stderr" is working. Weird, isn't it!

Any thoughts and/or search directions are more than the welcome.
Thank you.
- - - - - - - - -
Best,
Joe @ Rouen - FR
- - - - - - - - -

1st Test / Launching from a Terminal => Not working

joe@mint21:~$ puredata  -or-  puredata -verbose
Pd-0.53.1 ("") compiled for Debian (0.53.1+ds-1~ubuntu22.04~ppa1)
on 2022/12/15 at 22:02:06 UTC
float precision = 32 bits
port 34801
TCL_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/puredata/lib/tcl/library"
TK_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/puredata/lib/tk/library"   wish
"/usr/lib/puredata/tcl//pd-gui.tcl" 34801
Waiting for connection request...
... connected
/usr/lib/puredata/bin/pd-watchdog
.
Then opening my SMS Vanilla project from with Pd Vanilla
immediately closes both Pd and my project.
So, same bad behavior than in my above introduction but now with a
"segmentation error" indication!
.
==> Erreur de segmentation (core dumped); i.e. segmentation error
joe@mint21:~$

2nd Test / Launching from a Terminal => Working okay

Very strange thing here by just adding "-stderr" I'm able to run,
modify and save my project without any issue.
Note1: Now the same is also true in pure graphic mode if I'm
adding "-stderr" to Pd Startup options, but with no output in the
Pd Console.

Note2: In the here-below long terminal output I removed the
unnecessary stuff like all the kind of "verbose(4): tried
./cyclone.l_amd64 and FAILED" (about hundreds and hundreds and
hundreds of objects).

joe@mint21:~$ puredata -stderr
Pd-0.53.1 ("") compiled for Debian (0.53.1+ds-1~ubuntu22.04~ppa1)
on 2022/12/15 at 22:02:06 UTC
float precision = 32 bits
verbose(4): input channels = 2, output channels = 2
port 35797
TCL_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/puredata/lib/tcl/library"
TK_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/puredata/lib/tk/library"   wish
"/usr/lib/puredata/tcl//pd-gui.tcl" 35797
Waiting for connection request...
verbose(4): running at normal (non-real-time) priority.
... connected
verbose(4): priority 6 scheduling enabled.
verbose(4): running at normal (non-real-time) priority.
/usr/lib/puredata/bin/pd-watchdog
opened alsa MIDI client 128 in:1 out:1

verbose(4): tried
/home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/cyclone/cyclone.l_amd64 and succeeded

.
:: Cyclone 0.6-1 needs at least Pd 0.52-0 (you have 0.53-1, you're
good!)
.


verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/else.l_amd64
and succeeded
---
.
- ELSE 1.0-0 rc-6 needs at least Pd 0.

[PD] Pd Vanilla 0.53.1 is crashing under GNU/Linux

[Linux ROUEN Normandie]

Hello List,
I'm looking for some help from experienced users, at least more than I. 

PROBLEM: I'm facing to an annoying issue I never had before with only 
one of my projects under development: Simple MIDI Sequencer (SMS) 
Vanilla. Means my problem could be externals related?
Up to the last days everything was okay, but after a day of 
modifications I saved a last time my project, and...
Now after having launched Pd Vanilla v.0.53.1 (PPA install) and then 
opening my project both immediately close automatically (which is not 
the case with my other projects).


I'm running under Linux Mint 21.1 Cinnamon 64-bit (Ubuntu 22.04 LTS 
base) and I'm using objects from the following 8 Externals (Deken install):
Cyclone 0.6.1, Else 1.0.0 rc6, Ggee 0.28, IemLib 1.22.2, Jmmmp 0.61.0, 
List-Abs 0.1.0, PdOgg 0.25 and Zexy 2.4.1 (they are supposed to be up to 
date).


As you can see here-after "puredata" or "puredata -verbose" are not 
working BUT "puredata -stderr" is working. Weird, isn't it!


Any thoughts and/or search directions are more than the welcome.
Thank you.
- - - - - - - - -
Best,
Joe @ Rouen - FR
- - - - - - - - -

1st Test / Launching from a Terminal => Not working

joe@mint21:~$ puredata  -or-  puredata -verbose
Pd-0.53.1 ("") compiled for Debian (0.53.1+ds-1~ubuntu22.04~ppa1) on 
2022/12/15 at 22:02:06 UTC

float precision = 32 bits
port 34801
TCL_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/puredata/lib/tcl/library" 
TK_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/puredata/lib/tk/library"   wish 
"/usr/lib/puredata/tcl//pd-gui.tcl" 34801

Waiting for connection request...
... connected
/usr/lib/puredata/bin/pd-watchdog
.
Then opening my SMS Vanilla project from with Pd Vanilla immediately 
closes both Pd and my project.
So, same bad behavior than in my above introduction but now with a 
"segmentation error" indication!

.
==> Erreur de segmentation (core dumped); i.e. segmentation error
joe@mint21:~$

2nd Test / Launching from a Terminal => Working okay

Very strange thing here by just adding "-stderr" I'm able to run, modify 
and save my project without any issue.
Note1: Now the same is also true in pure graphic mode if I'm adding 
"-stderr" to Pd Startup options, but with no output in the Pd Console.


Note2: In the here-below long terminal output I removed the unnecessary 
stuff like all the kind of "verbose(4): tried ./cyclone.l_amd64 and 
FAILED" (about hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of objects).


joe@mint21:~$ puredata -stderr
Pd-0.53.1 ("") compiled for Debian (0.53.1+ds-1~ubuntu22.04~ppa1) on 
2022/12/15 at 22:02:06 UTC

float precision = 32 bits
verbose(4): input channels = 2, output channels = 2
port 35797
TCL_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/puredata/lib/tcl/library" 
TK_LIBRARY="/usr/lib/puredata/lib/tk/library"   wish 
"/usr/lib/puredata/tcl//pd-gui.tcl" 35797

Waiting for connection request...
verbose(4): running at normal (non-real-time) priority.
... connected
verbose(4): priority 6 scheduling enabled.
verbose(4): running at normal (non-real-time) priority.
/usr/lib/puredata/bin/pd-watchdog
opened alsa MIDI client 128 in:1 out:1

verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/cyclone/cyclone.l_amd64 
and succeeded


.
:: Cyclone 0.6-1 needs at least Pd 0.52-0 (you have 0.53-1, you're good!)
.


verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/else/else.l_amd64 and 
succeeded

---
.
- ELSE 1.0-0 rc-6 needs at least Pd 0.53-1 (you have 0.53-1, you're good!)
.
---

verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/iemlib/iemlib.pd_linux 
and succeeded
verbose(4): warning: class 'wrap' overwritten; old one renamed 
'wrap_aliased'

iemlib (1.22) library loaded!   (c) Thomas Musil Nov 13 2018 : 20:19:12
mu...@iem.at iem KUG Graz Austria

verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/zexy/zexy.pd_linux and 
succeeded

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    ♡   iem  @  kug
    ♡  compiled  Feb  2 2022
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verbose(4): warning: class '<~' overwritten; old one renamed '<~_aliased'
verbose(4): warning: class '==~' overwritten; old one renamed '==~_aliased'
verbose(4): warning: class '>~' overwritten; old one renamed '>~_aliased'
verbose(4): warning: class 'abs~' overwritten; old one renamed 
'abs~_aliased'

matchbox: OSC-pattern matching code (c) Matt Wright, CNMAT
verbose(4): warning: class 'wrap' overwritten; old one renamed 
'wrap_aliased'


=> After opening my SMS Vanilla project from within Pure Data:
verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/list-abs/list-rev.pd and 
succeeded
verbose(4): tried /home/joe/Pure-Data/externals/list-abs/list-rev.pd and 
succeeded
verbose(4): tried