Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
Autoremove didn't do it unfortunately. > -Original Message- > From: Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-boun...@lists.iem.at] On Behalf Of Claude > Heiland-Allen > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 4:34 PM > To: pd-list@lists.iem.at > Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released > > Hi, > > > Neither "apt-get remove puredata" nor "apt-get purge puredata" did > > uninstall my Pd 0.47 version. > > I'm on Debian Stretch 9.5 . > > "puredata" is a meta package, that depends on the real components: > > $ apt show puredata > ... > Depends: puredata-core, puredata-gui, puredata-doc, puredata-extra, > puredata-utils, puredata-dev ... > > So you'd need to unsinstall them also, perhaps "apt autoremove" can do it? > > Possibly it is a bug in Debian that "puredata" version X doesn't depend on > "puredata-core" version X ? > > > Claude > -- > https://mathr.co.uk > > > > > ___ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
> > I'm on Debian Stretch 9.5 . > > oh my. > you really shouldn't install packages from "unstable" onto your "stretch" > installation. > simply wait for the packages to appear in stretch-backports, and install > from > there. it's probably another 3 days to wait. OK! That might be the problem ... I'm getting an installation but it looks like it's not complete. I'll try to revert to 0.47 or 0.48.2 until the actual 0.49 release is uploaded to debian-backports. Thanks, IOhannes! Ingo > -Original Message- > From: Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-boun...@lists.iem.at] On Behalf Of IOhannes m > zmoelnig > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 4:40 PM > To: pd-list@lists.iem.at > Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released > > On 9/26/18 4:09 PM, Ingo wrote: > > I managed to install 0.49 from the unstable repository but cannot find > > out in which folder it was installed or how to start it. > > > I'm on Debian Stretch 9.5 . > > oh my. > you really shouldn't install packages from "unstable" onto your "stretch" > installation. > simply wait for the packages to appear in stretch-backports, and install > from > there. it's probably another 3 days to wait. > > (alternatively, you can upgrade your entire system to "Debian/unstable"; > those > distro releases are really there to guarantee you a consistent system) > > > When I type "pd" into the console it still wants to start 0.47 from > > /usr/lib/puredata which I finally moved away from the original folder. > > > > Neither "apt-get remove puredata" nor "apt-get purge puredata" did > > uninstall my Pd 0.47 version. > > that's because the "puredata" is just a meta-package that depends on the > actual packages puredata-core and puredata-gui (and doesn't provide any > functionality on it's own). > even worse, the "puredata" package is happy if any version of puredata-core > and puredata-gui are installed (even if it is just 0.47). > > > fgdmas > IOhannes ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
On Wed, 2018-09-26 at 08:06 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote: > I think that's only true in the 32-bit version Ah, you're right. > which uses the old compilation scheme in which it's possible to edit > the > source code and recompile in place. The ".o" files are there so that > only > the code you changed gets recompiled. I see. Thanks. Roman signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
I think that's only true in the 32-bit version (but correct me if I'm wrong) which uses the old compilation scheme in which it's possible to edit the source code and recompile in place. The ".o" files are there so that only the code you changed gets recompiled. This seems not to be a terribly useful feature and isn't present in any of the new-style builds (the 64 bit versions). I'll eventually convert everything to the new style. cheers Miller On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 04:53:38PM +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote: > On Wed, 2018-09-26 at 13:34 +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote: > > On Mon, 2018-09-24 at 20:56 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote: > > > At long last... > > > > > > Pd version 0.49-0 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm > > > or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data > > One minor thing about the Windows archives: They contain a bunch of *.o > files in src/. Am I right in thinking that those are superfluous and > remnants of the compiling process? > ___ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
On Wed, 2018-09-26 at 13:34 +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote: > On Mon, 2018-09-24 at 20:56 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote: > > At long last... > > > > Pd version 0.49-0 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm > > or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data One minor thing about the Windows archives: They contain a bunch of *.o files in src/. Am I right in thinking that those are superfluous and remnants of the compiling process? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
Yes ! thanks for everyone involved to bring us this new version of Pd. ++ Jack Le 26/09/2018 à 13:34, Roman Haefeli a écrit : > On Mon, 2018-09-24 at 20:56 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote: >> At long last... >> >> Pd version 0.49-0 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm >> or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data > > Cool. A big 'thank you!' to everyone involved. All the work that went > into this release is very much appreciated. > > Roman > > > > ___ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
thanks for the detailed explanation. On 9/26/18 4:34 PM, Claude Heiland-Allen wrote: > Possibly it is a bug in Debian that "puredata" version X doesn't depend > on "puredata-core" version X ? i'm wondering about that as well, but am not really sure yet... fgmasdr IOhannes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
On 9/26/18 4:09 PM, Ingo wrote: > I managed to install 0.49 from the unstable repository but cannot find out in > which folder it was installed or how to start it. > I'm on Debian Stretch 9.5 . oh my. you really shouldn't install packages from "unstable" onto your "stretch" installation. simply wait for the packages to appear in stretch-backports, and install from there. it's probably another 3 days to wait. (alternatively, you can upgrade your entire system to "Debian/unstable"; those distro releases are really there to guarantee you a consistent system) > When I type "pd" into the console it still wants to start 0.47 from > /usr/lib/puredata which I finally moved away from the original folder. > > Neither "apt-get remove puredata" nor "apt-get purge puredata" did uninstall > my Pd 0.47 version. that's because the "puredata" is just a meta-package that depends on the actual packages puredata-core and puredata-gui (and doesn't provide any functionality on it's own). even worse, the "puredata" package is happy if any version of puredata-core and puredata-gui are installed (even if it is just 0.47). fgdmas IOhannes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
Hi, Neither "apt-get remove puredata" nor "apt-get purge puredata" did uninstall my Pd 0.47 version. I'm on Debian Stretch 9.5 . "puredata" is a meta package, that depends on the real components: $ apt show puredata ... Depends: puredata-core, puredata-gui, puredata-doc, puredata-extra, puredata-utils, puredata-dev ... So you'd need to unsinstall them also, perhaps "apt autoremove" can do it? Possibly it is a bug in Debian that "puredata" version X doesn't depend on "puredata-core" version X ? Claude -- https://mathr.co.uk ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Ingo wrote: > I managed to install 0.49 from the unstable repository but cannot find out in > which folder it was installed or how to start it. > When I type "pd" into the console it still wants to start 0.47 from > /usr/lib/puredata which I finally moved away from the original folder. > > Neither "apt-get remove puredata" nor "apt-get purge puredata" did uninstall > my Pd 0.47 version. > I'm on Debian Stretch 9.5 . > > Any help for being able to actually use 0.49 is greatly appreciated! > > Ingo > Sure you haven't compiled pd from source, and installed it at some point? Check the path /usr/local/bin/. If you have 'pd' there, it most probably means you compiled and installed it from source. /usr/local/ has precedence before /usr for executables. You can see the order for where executables are found and run by doing 'echo $PATH' in your terminal. ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
I managed to install 0.49 from the unstable repository but cannot find out in which folder it was installed or how to start it. When I type "pd" into the console it still wants to start 0.47 from /usr/lib/puredata which I finally moved away from the original folder. Neither "apt-get remove puredata" nor "apt-get purge puredata" did uninstall my Pd 0.47 version. I'm on Debian Stretch 9.5 . Any help for being able to actually use 0.49 is greatly appreciated! Ingo > -Original Message- > From: Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-boun...@lists.iem.at] On Behalf Of IOhannes m > zmölnig > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 10:18 PM > To: pd-list@lists.iem.at > Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released > > On 9/25/18 5:56 AM, Miller Puckette wrote: > > At long last... > > > > Pd version 0.49-0 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm or > > (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data > > > > hooray! > > the Debian packages are already available for Debian/unstable. > They should be available in Debian/testing (aka: buster) within the next > 3 days. > Within the next 7 days, they should hit Debian/stable-backports (aka: > stretch-backports). > > cheers, and happy (& intelligent) patching. > > gfamdsr > IOhannes ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
Those videos look like Si-Fi... oO Thanks for the thrill... 1°1° °1°1 Le 26/09/2018 à 09:47, hi via Pd-list a écrit : > You can find the new features listed and described here: > > https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/374 > > and have a look here: > > https://vimeo.com/273707442 > > and here: > > https://vimeo.com/279631360 > >> Am 26.09.2018 um 00:35 schrieb hans w. koch : >> >> thanks to everybody involved! >> >> (maybe dumb question) how can i find out about all the new patching features? >> the changelog mentions them, but not, how to discover them. >> >> best >> hans >> >> >>> Am 25.09.2018 um 22:17 schrieb IOhannes m zmölnig : >>> >>> On 9/25/18 5:56 AM, Miller Puckette wrote: At long last... Pd version 0.49-0 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data >>> hooray! >>> >>> the Debian packages are already available for Debian/unstable. >>> They should be available in Debian/testing (aka: buster) within the next >>> 3 days. >>> Within the next 7 days, they should hit Debian/stable-backports (aka: >>> stretch-backports). >>> >>> cheers, and happy (& intelligent) patching. >>> >>> gfamdsr >>> IOhannes >>> >>> ___ >>> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> ___ >> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > ___ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- "On ne peut pas vivre dans un monde où l'on croit que l'élégance exquise du plumage de la pintade est inutile. Ceci est tout à fait à part. J'ai eu envie de le dire, je l'ai dit." Jean Giono, Un roi sans divertissement. ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
On Mon, 2018-09-24 at 20:56 -0700, Miller Puckette wrote: > At long last... > > Pd version 0.49-0 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm > or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data Cool. A big 'thank you!' to everyone involved. All the work that went into this release is very much appreciated. Roman signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
Ooops... I though I installed pd from backports but no, I have it from unstable. Sorry for the noise! btw, new patching features are very nice! Olivier On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 3:55 AM IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > On 9/25/18 4:18 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: > > Within the next 7 days, they should hit Debian/stable-backports (aka: > > stretch-backports). > > On 9/26/18 1:48 AM, Olivier Bélanger wrote: > > Wow, already in Debian/stable-backports !!! > > ah no, what makes you think this? > > a package can only be (manually) uploaded to Debian/stable-backports > once it is in Debian/testing. a package can only be in testing once it > has migrated (after a few-days cool-off period) from Debian/unstable. > > this is to protect the system integrity, and cannot really be changed. > > fgmasdr > IOhannes > > ___ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
thanks very much! best hans > Am 26.09.2018 um 09:47 schrieb hi : > > You can find the new features listed and described here: > > https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/374 > > and have a look here: > > https://vimeo.com/273707442 > > and here: > > https://vimeo.com/279631360 > >> Am 26.09.2018 um 00:35 schrieb hans w. koch : >> >> thanks to everybody involved! >> >> (maybe dumb question) how can i find out about all the new patching features? >> the changelog mentions them, but not, how to discover them. >> >> best >> hans >> >> >>> Am 25.09.2018 um 22:17 schrieb IOhannes m zmölnig : >>> >>> On 9/25/18 5:56 AM, Miller Puckette wrote: At long last... Pd version 0.49-0 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data >>> >>> hooray! >>> >>> the Debian packages are already available for Debian/unstable. >>> They should be available in Debian/testing (aka: buster) within the next >>> 3 days. >>> Within the next 7 days, they should hit Debian/stable-backports (aka: >>> stretch-backports). >>> >>> cheers, and happy (& intelligent) patching. >>> >>> gfamdsr >>> IOhannes >>> >>> ___ >>> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >>> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
On 9/25/18 4:18 PM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: > Within the next 7 days, they should hit Debian/stable-backports (aka: > stretch-backports). On 9/26/18 1:48 AM, Olivier Bélanger wrote: > Wow, already in Debian/stable-backports !!! ah no, what makes you think this? a package can only be (manually) uploaded to Debian/stable-backports once it is in Debian/testing. a package can only be in testing once it has migrated (after a few-days cool-off period) from Debian/unstable. this is to protect the system integrity, and cannot really be changed. fgmasdr IOhannes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
You can find the new features listed and described here: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/374 and have a look here: https://vimeo.com/273707442 and here: https://vimeo.com/279631360 > Am 26.09.2018 um 00:35 schrieb hans w. koch : > > thanks to everybody involved! > > (maybe dumb question) how can i find out about all the new patching features? > the changelog mentions them, but not, how to discover them. > > best > hans > > >> Am 25.09.2018 um 22:17 schrieb IOhannes m zmölnig : >> >> On 9/25/18 5:56 AM, Miller Puckette wrote: >>> At long last... >>> >>> Pd version 0.49-0 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm >>> or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data >>> >> >> hooray! >> >> the Debian packages are already available for Debian/unstable. >> They should be available in Debian/testing (aka: buster) within the next >> 3 days. >> Within the next 7 days, they should hit Debian/stable-backports (aka: >> stretch-backports). >> >> cheers, and happy (& intelligent) patching. >> >> gfamdsr >> IOhannes >> >> ___ >> Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > > > > > ___ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
Wow, already in Debian/stable-backports !!! Olivier On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 4:18 PM IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: > On 9/25/18 5:56 AM, Miller Puckette wrote: > > At long last... > > > > Pd version 0.49-0 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm > > or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data > > > > hooray! > > the Debian packages are already available for Debian/unstable. > They should be available in Debian/testing (aka: buster) within the next > 3 days. > Within the next 7 days, they should hit Debian/stable-backports (aka: > stretch-backports). > > cheers, and happy (& intelligent) patching. > > gfamdsr > IOhannes > > ___ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
thanks to everybody involved! (maybe dumb question) how can i find out about all the new patching features? the changelog mentions them, but not, how to discover them. best hans > Am 25.09.2018 um 22:17 schrieb IOhannes m zmölnig : > > On 9/25/18 5:56 AM, Miller Puckette wrote: >> At long last... >> >> Pd version 0.49-0 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm >> or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data >> > > hooray! > > the Debian packages are already available for Debian/unstable. > They should be available in Debian/testing (aka: buster) within the next > 3 days. > Within the next 7 days, they should hit Debian/stable-backports (aka: > stretch-backports). > > cheers, and happy (& intelligent) patching. > > gfamdsr > IOhannes > > ___ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
Love it! IOhannes m zmölnig schrieb am Di., 25. Sep. 2018, 22:18: > On 9/25/18 5:56 AM, Miller Puckette wrote: > > At long last... > > > > Pd version 0.49-0 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm > > or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data > > > > hooray! > > the Debian packages are already available for Debian/unstable. > They should be available in Debian/testing (aka: buster) within the next > 3 days. > Within the next 7 days, they should hit Debian/stable-backports (aka: > stretch-backports). > > cheers, and happy (& intelligent) patching. > > gfamdsr > IOhannes > > ___ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
Thanks a lot to everybody for all this good work! I couldn't do without the new features anymore. Le mar. 25 sept. 2018 à 22:17, IOhannes m zmölnig a écrit : > On 9/25/18 5:56 AM, Miller Puckette wrote: > > At long last... > > > > Pd version 0.49-0 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm > > or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data > > > > hooray! > > the Debian packages are already available for Debian/unstable. > They should be available in Debian/testing (aka: buster) within the next > 3 days. > Within the next 7 days, they should hit Debian/stable-backports (aka: > stretch-backports). > > cheers, and happy (& intelligent) patching. > > gfamdsr > IOhannes > > ___ > Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
On 9/25/18 5:56 AM, Miller Puckette wrote: > At long last... > > Pd version 0.49-0 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm > or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data > hooray! the Debian packages are already available for Debian/unstable. They should be available in Debian/testing (aka: buster) within the next 3 days. Within the next 7 days, they should hit Debian/stable-backports (aka: stretch-backports). cheers, and happy (& intelligent) patching. gfamdsr IOhannes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Pd 0.49-0 released
At long last... Pd version 0.49-0 is available on http://msp.ucsd.edu/software.htm or (source only) via github: https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data cheers Miller ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@lists.iem.at https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list