Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Kylee Kennedy]

Following this thread I tried "pd.com -stderr -verbose -noprefs -nogui
-noaudio" on my working 0.54 windows 10 system and got errors about no
recognized cmdlet. When I use "./pd -stderr
-verbose -noprefs -nogui -noaudio" in the Powershell/CMD, without quotes of
course, it works and I see the float precision and verbose channels saying
0 channels.
Have you tried installing to a different folder like your root? I see your
folder structure is a bit different that I'm used to seeing on Win10 maybe
from all the multi-boot setup but I doubt that's an issue.

Further note "pd.exe" launches the app fine no luck at all with "pd.com"

Hope the info might help. I can do any other tests here if needed.

Kylee Kennedy



On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 9:42 AM Linux ROUEN  wrote:

> Hello Christof,
>
> No chance at all!
> "pd.com -noaudio" awa "pd.com -stderr -verbose -noprefs -nogui -noaudio"
> give the same "no result" than all my previous tests with Pd 0.54.0.
>
> For the time being, I'm giving up on my production PC which has a
> multi-boot 3x GNU/Linux + Windows 10 and will use for Windows another PC
> which has a working Pd Vanilla 0.52.3 installed (of course, I will not try
> to update it).
> In a couple of days, I will reinvestigate my production PC and will try to
> reinstall first Pd 0.53.2 under Windows 10, as even that is not working for
> the time being.
> Fortunately the updated Purr Data 2.19.3 is running like a charm, but
> without Else and the up-to-date Cyclone 0.7.
>
> Many thanks to All for your contribution.
> Joseph Gastelais
>
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> Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2
> 64-bit is not running!
>
> > So within a CMD terminal the following commands
> > - pd.com
> > - pd.com -stderr -verbose
> > - pd.com -nogui
> > - pd.com -noprefs
> > give the same "no result" for both the installed and the portable
> versions
> > of Pd 0.54.0.
>
> Ok, thanks for testing. So it has nothing to do with the registry or
> with the gui preferences...
>
> Now, can you also try "pd.com -noaudio"? And also "pd.com -stderr
> -verbose -noprefs -nogui -noaudio"?
>
> > ==> Sig[3].Name=Nom du module défaillant = Name of the failing module
> > ==> Sig[3].Value=ntdll.dll
>
> Ah, right I missed that. Unfortunately, the crash report is very vague.
> To get the actual reason for the crash you would need to run Pd in a
> debugger...
>
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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Linux ROUEN]

Hello Christof,

No chance at all!
"pd.com -noaudio" awa "pd.com -stderr -verbose -noprefs -nogui -noaudio" give 
the same "no result" than all my previous tests with Pd 0.54.0.

For the time being, I'm giving up on my production PC which has a multi-boot 3x 
GNU/Linux + Windows 10 and will use for Windows another PC which has a working 
Pd Vanilla 0.52.3 installed (of course, I will not try to update it).
In a couple of days, I will reinvestigate my production PC and will try to 
reinstall first Pd 0.53.2 under Windows 10, as even that is not working for the 
time being.
Fortunately the updated Purr Data 2.19.3 is running like a charm, but without 
Else and the up-to-date Cyclone 0.7.

Many thanks to All for your contribution.
Joseph Gastelais

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Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit 
is not running!

> So within a CMD terminal the following commands
> - pd.com
> - pd.com -stderr -verbose
> - pd.com -nogui
> - pd.com -noprefs
> give the same "no result" for both the installed and the portable versions
> of Pd 0.54.0.

Ok, thanks for testing. So it has nothing to do with the registry or 
with the gui preferences...

Now, can you also try "pd.com -noaudio"? And also "pd.com -stderr 
-verbose -noprefs -nogui -noaudio"?

> ==> Sig[3].Name=Nom du module défaillant = Name of the failing module
> ==> Sig[3].Value=ntdll.dll

Ah, right I missed that. Unfortunately, the crash report is very vague. 
To get the actual reason for the crash you would need to run Pd in a 
debugger...

Christof
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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Christof Ressi]

So within a CMD terminal the following commands
- pd.com
- pd.com -stderr -verbose
- pd.com -nogui
- pd.com -noprefs
give the same "no result" for both the installed and the portable versions
of Pd 0.54.0.


Ok, thanks for testing. So it has nothing to do with the registry or 
with the gui preferences...


Now, can you also try "pd.com -noaudio"? And also "pd.com -stderr 
-verbose -noprefs -nogui -noaudio"?



==> Sig[3].Name=Nom du module défaillant = Name of the failing module
==> Sig[3].Value=ntdll.dll


Ah, right I missed that. Unfortunately, the crash report is very vague. 
To get the actual reason for the crash you would need to run Pd in a 
debugger...


Christof




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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Linux ROUEN]

Hello Christof,

1. Unfortunately here is the same no printout and no Pd launch as during my
previous tests.
Microsoft Windows [version 10.0.19045.3086]
(c) Microsoft Corporation. Tous droits réservés.
C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>pd.com -noprefs
 "blank line" for +/- 1 second
C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>pd.com -nogui
 "blank line" for +/- 1 second
C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>

So within a CMD terminal the following commands
- pd.com
- pd.com -stderr -verbose
- pd.com -nogui
- pd.com -noprefs
give the same "no result" for both the installed and the portable versions
of Pd 0.54.0.

2. Windows AppCrash report excerpts for "pd.com" for above 2 tests are not
only about loaded modules but also a pointer to where the issue "could
start" ==>.
Version=1
EventType=APPCRASH
.
Wow64Host=34404
NsAppName=pd.com
.
Sig[0].Name=Nom de l’application
Sig[0].Value=pd.com
Sig[1].Name=Version de l’application
Sig[1].Value=0.0.0.0
Sig[2].Name=Horodatage de l’application
Sig[2].Value=
==> Sig[3].Name=Nom du module défaillant = Name of the failing module
==> Sig[3].Value=ntdll.dll
Sig[4].Name=Version du module défaillant = Version of the failing module
Sig[4].Value=10.0.19041.3086
Sig[5].Name=Horodateur du module défaillant
Sig[5].Value=6349a4f2
Sig[6].Name=Code de l’exception = Exception Code
Sig[6].Value=c026
Sig[7].Name=Décalage de l’exception
Sig[7].Value=00102676
.

3. NTDLL.DLL excerpt from Wikipedia
NTDLL.DLL exports the Windows Native API. The Native API is the interface
used by user-mode components of the operating system that must run without
support from Win32 or other API subsystems. Most of this API is implemented
in NTDLL.DLL and at the upper edge of ntoskrnl.exe (and its variants), and
the majority of exported symbols within these libraries are prefixed Nt, for
example NtDisplayString. Native APIs are also used to implement many of the
"kernel APIs" or "base APIs" exported by KERNEL32.DLL.
The large majority of Windows applications do not call NTDLL.DLL directly.

Thanks, Joseph

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Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2
64-bit is not running!

Hi,
> After further searching on my PC, I was able to find the Windows AppCrash
> report (in the hidden C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\WER\ReportArchive)
> for this test which is here attached: "AppCrash_pd.com_Report1.wer" file
> (text format).
> As we can see on lines 29-32 the culprit (direct or indirect) seems to be
> the "ntdll.dll" module.

this is just the list of loaded modules. It doesn't say anything about 
where the crash happens.

Please try to run Pd from the command line with the following flags and 
tell the results:
1. pd.com -noprefs
2. pd.com -nogui

Cheers,
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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Christof Ressi]

Just to add another data point: I could install Pd 0.54 over Pd 0.53-2 
without any problems.


Christof




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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Christof Ressi]

Hi,

After further searching on my PC, I was able to find the Windows AppCrash
report (in the hidden C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\WER\ReportArchive)
for this test which is here attached: "AppCrash_pd.com_Report1.wer" file
(text format).
As we can see on lines 29-32 the culprit (direct or indirect) seems to be
the "ntdll.dll" module.


this is just the list of loaded modules. It doesn't say anything about 
where the crash happens.


Please try to run Pd from the command line with the following flags and 
tell the results:


1. pd.com -noprefs

2. pd.com -nogui

Cheers,

Christof





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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Linux ROUEN]

Hello IOhannes,

Unfortunately the situation is still the same than previously even with
"pd.com -stderr -verbose".
No printout in the CMD terminal and I can't run Pd Vanilla 0.54.0.

Microsoft Windows [version 10.0.19045.3086]
(c) Microsoft Corporation. Tous droits réservés.
C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>pd.com -stderr -verbose
 "blank line" for about 1 second
C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>

After further searching on my PC, I was able to find the Windows AppCrash
report (in the hidden C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\WER\ReportArchive)
for this test which is here attached: "AppCrash_pd.com_Report1.wer" file
(text format).
As we can see on lines 29-32 the culprit (direct or indirect) seems to be
the "ntdll.dll" module.
This is true for both the installed version (C:\Program Files\Pd\bin) awa
the portable version (H:\JOE-W10\Desktop\pd-0.54-0 Portable\bin) of Pd
0.54.0.

Can somebody understands this pd.com crash report and gives directions for
further investigations?

Thanks, Joseph

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64-bit is not running!

Am 9. Juli 2023 14:44:40 MESZ schrieb Linux ROUEN :
>Hello Lucas,
>
>With the command "pd" or "pd.com" from within the appropriate Pd folder the
terminal prints nothing, only running +/- 1 second then returns to its
waiting state.

Ah, I missed that Lucas already suggested running on on the cmdline.
Anyhow, run Pd with -stderr and -verbose:
```
pd.com -stderr -verbose
```

>
>QUESTION: I'm seeing in your here below email: "C:\Program
Files\Pd64\bin>"?
>When on my PC is "C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>"!
>Am I missing something about this 64-bit?
No

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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

Am 9. Juli 2023 14:44:40 MESZ schrieb Linux ROUEN :
>Hello Lucas,
>
>With the command "pd" or "pd.com" from within the appropriate Pd folder the 
>terminal prints nothing, only running +/- 1 second then returns to its waiting 
>state.

Ah, I missed that Lucas already suggested running on on the cmdline.
Any
Anyhow, run Pd with -stderr and -verbose:

```
pd.com -stderr -verbose
```

>
>QUESTION: I'm seeing in your here below email: "C:\Program Files\Pd64\bin>"?
>When on my PC is "C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>"!
>Am I missing something about this 64-bit?


No


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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Linux ROUEN]

Hello Lucas,

With the command "pd" or "pd.com" from within the appropriate Pd folder the 
terminal prints nothing, only running +/- 1 second then returns to its waiting 
state.
This is true for both the installed version (C:\Program Files\Pd\bin) awa the 
portable version (H:\JOE-W10\Desktop\pd-0.54-0 Portable\bin) of Pd 0.54.0.

Microsoft Windows [version 10.0.19045.3086]
(c) Microsoft Corporation. Tous droits réservés.
C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>pd.com -or- pd
 "blank line"
C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>

QUESTION: I'm seeing in your here below email: "C:\Program Files\Pd64\bin>"?
When on my PC is "C:\Program Files\Pd\bin>"!
Am I missing something about this 64-bit?

Thanks, Joseph

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Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit 
is not running!

On 7/9/2023 2:34 AM, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
> now Pd **should** run.

further more:
i tried to corrupt my registry to "0 -2" in the key of my previous mail 
but Pd starts anyway so i'm lost again.

please do the following:
   - in the file explorer navigate to "C:\Program Files\Pd\bin"
   - in the address menu type "cmd" and hit enter
 - now a new window with a prompt appear "C:\Program Files\Pd64\bin>"
   - type "pd" (no quotes) and hit enter

what does the terminal print?
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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Linux ROUEN]

Hello Lucas,
Unfortunately your trick is not improving my situation.
This is true for both the installed version awa the portable version of Pd 
0.54.0.
Thanks, Joseph

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Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit 
is not running!

On 7/8/2023 10:17 PM, Linux ROUEN wrote:
> I have made an in-depth cleaning of my Windows system and then installed for 
> the 4th time Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 (.exe), but still no luck I can't launch the 
> application, nothing happens. ...

Joseph thanks for the report!

there is something wrong here:
from your attached "Pure-Data-0.54.0_REG-1.txt"
~~~
Valeur 3
   Nom :audioindev1
   Type :REG_EXPAND_SZ
   Données :0 -2
~~~
this should be
"Données :0 2"
without the negative 2

I don't know "how" or "why" the "0 -2" got into the registry. May be 
related to the new WASAPI functionality introduced in 0.54-0. but this 
is only speculation.

to fix this there are 2 methods, try them in the following order.

--1 (Debussy: Syrinx) (you don't loose prefs)
   - open windows registry editor and navigate to 
"Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data"
   - in the right pane right-click over "audioindev1" and select "Modifiy.."
   - set the "value data" to "0 2" (without the the quotes, just the two 
numbers)
   - hit OK
   hopefully Pd should run.

--2 (Deep Purple: Burn) (all prefs are gone)
   - open windows registry editor and navigate to 
"Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data"
   - in the left pane right-click over "Pure-Data" and select "Delete"
   now Pd **should** run.
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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

Am 9. Juli 2023 03:17:29 MESZ schrieb Linux ROUEN :
>

The nice things about desktop apps is that they try to hide the disgusting 
stuff from launching programs as much as possible from the user... So in the 
worst case you end up with no application stating at all, or only seeing a 
brief glimpse of some window.


So the first thing I would try, is to run the nonworking k program in an 
environment that would actually let me see what goes wrong.
In the case of windows that would be the CMD terminal (I was born before the 
internet was a thing; younger Mund might prefer the powershell).

- + to launch an arbitrary program
- type "cmd" press and 
- navigate to the Pd\bin\ directory
- launch "pd.com"
 
Read the errors (and other things) and report the interesting things...



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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Lucas Cordiviola]

further more, something similar was reported here:

https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2023-06/132360.html



Note: Pd prefs and its registry settings are not touched by the old or 
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what does the terminal print?




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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Lucas Cordiviola]

On 7/9/2023 2:34 AM, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:

now Pd **should** run.



further more:

i tried to corrupt my registry to "0 -2" in the key of my previous mail 
but Pd starts anyway so i'm lost again.


please do the following:

  - in the file explorer navigate to "C:\Program Files\Pd\bin"

  - in the address menu type "cmd" and hit enter

    - now a new window with a prompt appear "C:\Program Files\Pd64\bin>"

  - type "pd" (no quotes) and hit enter

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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Lucas Cordiviola]

On 7/8/2023 10:17 PM, Linux ROUEN wrote:

I have made an in-depth cleaning of my Windows system and then installed for 
the 4th time Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 (.exe), but still no luck I can't launch the 
application, nothing happens. ...



Joseph thanks for the report!

there is something wrong here:

from your attached "Pure-Data-0.54.0_REG-1.txt"

~~~

Valeur 3
  Nom :    audioindev1
  Type :    REG_EXPAND_SZ
  Données :    0 -2

~~~

this should be

"Données :    0 2"

without the negative 2

I don't know "how" or "why" the "0 -2" got into the registry. May be 
related to the new WASAPI functionality introduced in 0.54-0. but this 
is only speculation.


to fix this there are 2 methods, try them in the following order.

--1 (Debussy: Syrinx) (you don't loose prefs)

  - open windows registry editor and navigate to 
"Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data"


  - in the right pane right-click over "audioindev1" and select "Modifiy.."

  - set the "value data" to "0 2" (without the the quotes, just the two 
numbers)


  - hit OK

  hopefully Pd should run.

--2 (Deep Purple: Burn) (all prefs are gone)

  - open windows registry editor and navigate to 
"Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data"


  - in the left pane right-click over "Pure-Data" and select "Delete"

  now Pd **should** run.



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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Linux ROUEN]

Hello Lucas,

I have made an in-depth cleaning of my Windows system and then installed for 
the 4th time Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 (.exe), but still no luck I can't launch the 
application, nothing happens.

I'm not a Windows Registry specialist but the here attached 2 files are a 
snapshot of Pd Preferences and not about the program itself, or it's missing 
something.
- Pure-Data-0.54.0_REG-1.txt = "Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data"
- Pure-Data-0.54.0_REG-2.txt = 
"Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data\org.puredata.pd.pd-gui"
I hope this will help.

As a remainder, my troubles started when I used the Uninstall program of Pd 
0.53.2 prior installing for the 1st time Pd 0.54.0 .exe.
During my above cleaning I discovered that Pd 0.53.2 was not really 
uninstalled, as seen by the system, even if the C:\Program Files\Pd folder was 
gone. This is why during my 3rd installation Pd Installer gave me such a 
warning that Pd 0.54.0 is already installed, it was confusing. And when 
removing properly Pd 0.53.2 with Programs & Functionalities it also removed Pd 
0.54.0. But this doesn't solved my issue.

Thanks,
Joseph Gastelais

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On 08/07/2023 20:04, Linux ROUEN wrote:
> So back on track to the Pd List...

please do:
- open windows registry editor and navigate to 
"Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data"
- on the left pane right-click on "Pure Data" folder
   - select "export"
 - in the "save as type" select "txt"
 - give it a name and hit "save"
- do the same export but this time on folder 
"Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data\org.puredata.pd.pd-gui"
- attach both files and post them in this list.
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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Lucas Cordiviola]

On 08/07/2023 20:04, Linux ROUEN wrote:

So back on track to the Pd List...



please do:

- open windows registry editor and navigate to 
"Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data"


- on the left pane right-click on "Pure Data" folder

  - select "export"

    - in the "save as type" select "txt"

    - give it a name and hit "save"

- do the same export but this time on folder 
"Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Pure-Data\org.puredata.pd.pd-gui"



- attach both files and post them in this list.




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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Linux ROUEN]

So back on track to the Pd List...

The bad thing under Windows 10 64-bit started yesterday when I used the 
Uninstall included into Pd 0.53.2 prior trying to install Pd 0.54.0 (see my 
previous emails here below).
By the way today I updated Purr Data from 2.19.2 to 2.19.3 and everything went 
well including the launch of the application an use of my patches. The 
Uninstall previous version function included directly into the program has made 
its job.
And yes, I'm since years with only one account with Admin rights and never had 
such kind of issue under Windows 10 Pro neither with Pd Vanilla, nor Pd-L2Ork 
nor Purr Data, nor now PlugData.

So if both Pd 0.54.0 .exe and .zip are effectively working on other Windows 10 
machines (PLEASE DO CONFIRM), I do need to investigate in depth what happened 
on mine!

-Message d'origine-
De : Lucarda [mailto:luca...@lucarda.com.ar] 
Envoyé : dimanche 9 juillet 2023 00:24
À : Linux ROUEN
Cc : mpucke...@cloud.ucsd.edu
Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit 
is not running!

> Also have a look at my last answer to Miller where the unzipped 
> “pd-0.54-0.msw.zip” file is not working too.

OMG!
what is happening with your machine?
i'm totally lost :)

looking at the pics you posted to the list: why you could not write 
files if you are admin?

why you can't run your unzipped “pd-0.54-0.msw.zip” ?
really lost!!!

please don't reply to me on this address and lets continue on the pd-list.
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De : Linux ROUEN [mailto:linux.ro...@free.fr] 
Envoyé : dimanche 9 juillet 2023 00:08
À : 'Lucarda'
Cc : 'mpucke...@cloud.ucsd.edu'
Objet : RE: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit 
is not running!
Hello Lucarda,

I’m running Window 10 Pro with an Administrator account since years (see here 
below picture).
As written, I never had this kind of issue with  Pd Vanilla neither 0.53.0, nor 
0.53.1 and 0.53.2.
Nevertheless, I will investigate your 3 messages and will see.

Also have a look at my last answer to Miller where the unzipped 
“pd-0.54-0.msw.zip” file is not working too.

Thanks,
Joseph Gastelais

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De : Linux ROUEN [mailto:linux.ro...@free.fr] 
Envoyé : samedi 8 juillet 2023 23:44
À : 'Miller Puckette'
Cc : 'pd-list@lists.iem.at'
Objet : RE: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit 
is not running!

Done... pd-0.54-0.msw.zip... but there is no "pd.cmd" inside the 
"\Desktop\pd-0.54-0\bin" folder... only "pd.com" and "pd.exe".

Double-clicking on "pd.com" opens for about 1 second a terminal but doesn't 
launch Pd Vanilla.
Double-clicking on "pd.exe" doesn't launch Pd Vanilla.
In both case, no "wish" found in the Windows Tasks Manager.

Thanks.

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De : Miller Puckette [mailto:mpucke...@cloud.ucsd.edu] 
Envoyé : samedi 8 juillet 2023 23:04
À : Linux ROUEN
Cc : pd-list@lists.iem.at
Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit 
is not running!

Well, the "System tells there is already a Pd installation" message 
looks suspicious - but I don't understand the inner workings of the 
installer generator ("nsis") that makes the .exe file so I'm not sure if 
it's anything to worry about.

OTOH, one thing to try would be to manually ... grab the ".zip" file and 
unzip it somewhere in your own files (desktop is OK), then click inside 
"PD\bin" and try starting "pd.cmd" (the terminal app version) and see 
what it says/does.

 From the fact that you have a hung "Wish" app but no "pd" I think 
somehow the gui application (a Wish script) is somehow not even getting 
to where it tries to start pd, which is a separate application with no GUI.

Meanwhile I can't get to a Windows 10 machine myself until Wednesday so 
I can't test any of this myself yet.

Thanks for the reporting in any case!
Miller
= = = = = = = = = =


On 7/8/23 08:02, Linux ROUEN wrote:
> Hello Miller,
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> No more luck trying to launch Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 after my 3rd installation 
> attempt under Windows 10.
>
> Installation procedure (with antivirus disabled):
> - Manually deleted "C:\Program Files\Pd" folder,
> - Manually deleted Pd Vanilla "StartMenu" entries,
> - Rebooted my PC,
> - Installed "pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe" file without any errors,
>. except a warning message at the beginning of the procedure stating that:
>  "System tells there is already a Pd installation" which impossible!
> - At the end of the installation, ran Pure Data 0.54.0, but nothing happened!
> - In the Windows Tasks Manager, Wish is running but no Pd.
> See the attached zip file summarizing the above.
>
> Best,
> Joseph Gastelai

Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Marc D. Demers]

On my side, Pd run perfectly under Windows 10 Pro… gonna look your files if I 
can help…

MD


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Envoyé : Saturday, July 8, 2023 6:03:03 PM
À : pd-list@lists.iem.at 
Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit 
is not running!

i'm having problems replying to the list (sometimes it happens sometimes
not)

please read the 3 following messeges in reverse order



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I think all the trouble originated by running the uninstaller (which was
installed by admin) from an non admin user.


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On 08/07/2023 16:39, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
oh I forgot: better do

- switch to admin user

- install Pd 0.53-*

- uninstall Pd 0.53-*

- install Pd 0.54-0



---



On 08/07/2023 16:36, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
Watching the pics you attached you seem to not have write permissions.

to get everything working do a fresh 0.54-0 install from your admin user.

NOTES:

installers prior to 0.54 were unusable for non admin users trying to
install to default (system protected) folders like "C:\Program Files\*"
and also was unable to write to the registry or create startup menus.

you posted:

> "System tells there is already a Pd installation" which impossible!

i think you did uninstallations from your non-admin user which silently
went wrong and the registry keys were not deleted which causes lots of
headaches to the new installer as it thinks Pd is installed.

What bothers me most is that i dont understand why the new installer
did't kick in all the "non admin" installation paths and registry stuff.
but i think this might be triggered by your first failed uninstallation.

will have to investigate later.



again: to get everything working do a fresh 0.54-0 install from your
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On 08/07/2023 18:44, Linux ROUEN wrote:
> Done... pd-0.54-0.msw.zip... but there is no "pd.cmd" inside the 
> "\Desktop\pd-0.54-0\bin" folder... only "pd.com" and "pd.exe".



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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Lucas Cordiviola]

seems this one also didn't kick in to the list



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On my side, Pd run perfectly under Windows 10 Pro… gonna look your 
files if I can help…


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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Lucas Cordiviola]

i'm having problems replying to the list (sometimes it happens sometimes 
not)


please read the 3 following messeges in reverse order



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On 08/07/2023 16:46, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
I think all the trouble originated by running the uninstaller (which was 
installed by admin) from an non admin user.



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oh I forgot: better do

- switch to admin user

- install Pd 0.53-*

- uninstall Pd 0.53-*

- install Pd 0.54-0



---



On 08/07/2023 16:36, Lucas Cordiviola wrote:
Watching the pics you attached you seem to not have write permissions.

to get everything working do a fresh 0.54-0 install from your admin user.

NOTES:

installers prior to 0.54 were unusable for non admin users trying to 
install to default (system protected) folders like "C:\Program Files\*" 
and also was unable to write to the registry or create startup menus.


you posted:


"System tells there is already a Pd installation" which impossible!


i think you did uninstallations from your non-admin user which silently 
went wrong and the registry keys were not deleted which causes lots of 
headaches to the new installer as it thinks Pd is installed.


What bothers me most is that i dont understand why the new installer 
did't kick in all the "non admin" installation paths and registry stuff. 
but i think this might be triggered by your first failed uninstallation.


will have to investigate later.



again: to get everything working do a fresh 0.54-0 install from your 
admin user.


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On 08/07/2023 18:44, Linux ROUEN wrote:

Done... pd-0.54-0.msw.zip... but there is no "pd.cmd" inside the "\Desktop\pd-0.54-0\bin" folder... 
only "pd.com" and "pd.exe".




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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Linux ROUEN]

Done... pd-0.54-0.msw.zip... but there is no "pd.cmd" inside the 
"\Desktop\pd-0.54-0\bin" folder... only "pd.com" and "pd.exe".

Double-clicking on "pd.com" opens for about 1 second a terminal but doesn't 
launch Pd Vanilla.
Double-clicking on "pd.exe" doesn't launch Pd Vanilla.
In both case, no "wish" found in the Windows Tasks Manager.

Thanks.

-Message d'origine-
De : Miller Puckette [mailto:mpucke...@cloud.ucsd.edu] 
Envoyé : samedi 8 juillet 2023 23:04
À : Linux ROUEN
Cc : pd-list@lists.iem.at
Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit 
is not running!

Well, the "System tells there is already a Pd installation" message 
looks suspicious - but I don't understand the inner workings of the 
installer generator ("nsis") that makes the .exe file so I'm not sure if 
it's anything to worry about.

OTOH, one thing to try would be to manually ... grab the ".zip" file and 
unzip it somewhere in your own files (desktop is OK), then click inside 
"PD\bin" and try starting "pd.cmd" (the terminal app version) and see 
what it says/does.

 From the fact that you have a hung "Wish" app but no "pd" I think 
somehow the gui application (a Wish script) is somehow not even getting 
to where it tries to start pd, which is a separate application with no GUI.

Meanwhile I can't get to a Windows 10 machine myself until Wednesday so 
I can't test any of this myself yet.

Thanks for the reporting in any case!

Miller


On 7/8/23 08:02, Linux ROUEN wrote:
> Hello Miller,
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> No more luck trying to launch Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 after my 3rd installation 
> attempt under Windows 10.
>
> Installation procedure (with antivirus disabled):
> - Manually deleted "C:\Program Files\Pd" folder,
> - Manually deleted Pd Vanilla "StartMenu" entries,
> - Rebooted my PC,
> - Installed "pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe" file without any errors,
>. except a warning message at the beginning of the procedure stating that:
>  "System tells there is already a Pd installation" which impossible!
> - At the end of the installation, ran Pure Data 0.54.0, but nothing happened!
> - In the Windows Tasks Manager, Wish is running but no Pd.
> See the attached zip file summarizing the above.
>
> Best,
> Joseph Gastelais
>
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> De : Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-boun...@lists.iem.at] De la part de Miller 
> Puckette
> Envoyé : samedi 8 juillet 2023 15:24
> À : pd-list@lists.iem.at
> Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 
> 64-bit is not running!
>
> Well, first off I'd like to see if you can get back up and running  0.53
> OK - then we can confidently try to figure out what happened with 0.54.
>
> I think the machine failed to un-install Pd 0.54 because it was running
> somehow without showing any windows.  The fix for that would be to look
> in the "task manager" (open that using the famous control-alt-delete key
> combination) and find all copies of Pd that are running, and kill them.
> At that point an "uninstall" should work, but it would be simpler and
> more direct simply to delete the folder "\Program Files\Pd".
>
> Once that's done you should be able to install and run Pd 0.53 as it was
> working before.
>
> NExt step, since this is Windows, might be simply to reinstall 0.54 and
> try it again.  If it doesn't immediately work then let's try together to
> figure out why and how to fix it :)
>
> Miller
>
> On 7/7/23 18:34, Linux ROUEN wrote:
>> Hello Pd List,
>>
>> Under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit, the previous 3 versions 0.53.0, 0.53.1
>> and 0.53.2 of Pure Data Vanilla were working okay, but not the latest
>> 0.54.0 version!
>>
>> I tried today to update to it using the
>> ‘pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe’ file from Miller’s site but after
>> the installation trying to launch it nothing happens.
>>
>> Installation procedure (with antivirus disabled):
>> - Uninstall Pd 0.53.2: okay
>> - Install ‘pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe’: everything went well
>> - Launch Pd 0.54.0: nothing happens!
>> - Uninstall Pd 0.54.0: okay
>> - Reinstall ‘pd-0.53-2.windows-installer.exe’: but lot of errors which
>> was not the case previously!
>> - Launch Pd 0.53.2: it’s opening?!
>> See the attached zip file for the error messages.
>>
>> - Uninstall Pd 0.53.2: okay
>> - Reinstall ‘pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe’: but now a lot of errors
>> like with 0.53.2 reinstallation!
>> - Launch Pd 0.54.0: still nothing happens!!
>> See the attached zip 

Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Miller Puckette]

Well, the "System tells there is already a Pd installation" message 
looks suspicious - but I don't understand the inner workings of the 
installer generator ("nsis") that makes the .exe file so I'm not sure if 
it's anything to worry about.


OTOH, one thing to try would be to manually ... grab the ".zip" file and 
unzip it somewhere in your own files (desktop is OK), then click inside 
"PD\bin" and try starting "pd.cmd" (the terminal app version) and see 
what it says/does.


From the fact that you have a hung "Wish" app but no "pd" I think 
somehow the gui application (a Wish script) is somehow not even getting 
to where it tries to start pd, which is a separate application with no GUI.


Meanwhile I can't get to a Windows 10 machine myself until Wednesday so 
I can't test any of this myself yet.


Thanks for the reporting in any case!

Miller


On 7/8/23 08:02, Linux ROUEN wrote:

Hello Miller,
Thanks for your reply.

No more luck trying to launch Pd Vanilla 0.54.0 after my 3rd installation 
attempt under Windows 10.

Installation procedure (with antivirus disabled):
- Manually deleted "C:\Program Files\Pd" folder,
- Manually deleted Pd Vanilla "StartMenu" entries,
- Rebooted my PC,
- Installed "pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe" file without any errors,
   . except a warning message at the beginning of the procedure stating that:
 "System tells there is already a Pd installation" which impossible!
- At the end of the installation, ran Pure Data 0.54.0, but nothing happened!
- In the Windows Tasks Manager, Wish is running but no Pd.
See the attached zip file summarizing the above.

Best,
Joseph Gastelais

-Message d'origine-
De : Pd-list [mailto:pd-list-boun...@lists.iem.at] De la part de Miller Puckette
Envoyé : samedi 8 juillet 2023 15:24
À : pd-list@lists.iem.at
Objet : Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit 
is not running!

Well, first off I'd like to see if you can get back up and running  0.53
OK - then we can confidently try to figure out what happened with 0.54.

I think the machine failed to un-install Pd 0.54 because it was running
somehow without showing any windows.  The fix for that would be to look
in the "task manager" (open that using the famous control-alt-delete key
combination) and find all copies of Pd that are running, and kill them.
At that point an "uninstall" should work, but it would be simpler and
more direct simply to delete the folder "\Program Files\Pd".

Once that's done you should be able to install and run Pd 0.53 as it was
working before.

NExt step, since this is Windows, might be simply to reinstall 0.54 and
try it again.  If it doesn't immediately work then let's try together to
figure out why and how to fix it :)

Miller

On 7/7/23 18:34, Linux ROUEN wrote:

Hello Pd List,

Under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit, the previous 3 versions 0.53.0, 0.53.1
and 0.53.2 of Pure Data Vanilla were working okay, but not the latest
0.54.0 version!

I tried today to update to it using the
‘pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe’ file from Miller’s site but after
the installation trying to launch it nothing happens.

Installation procedure (with antivirus disabled):
- Uninstall Pd 0.53.2: okay
- Install ‘pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe’: everything went well
- Launch Pd 0.54.0: nothing happens!
- Uninstall Pd 0.54.0: okay
- Reinstall ‘pd-0.53-2.windows-installer.exe’: but lot of errors which
was not the case previously!
- Launch Pd 0.53.2: it’s opening?!
See the attached zip file for the error messages.

- Uninstall Pd 0.53.2: okay
- Reinstall ‘pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe’: but now a lot of errors
like with 0.53.2 reinstallation!
- Launch Pd 0.54.0: still nothing happens!!
See the attached zip file for the error messages.

See also the attached Pd Bin & Font zip file for the folders content.

Any idea what is going wrong with Pd 0.54.0 installation and now also
with Pd 0.53.2 reinstallation?
Everything seems to be broken!

Thanks,
Joseph Gastelais
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Re: [PD] HELP: Pure Data Vanilla v.0.54-0 under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit is not running!

[Miller Puckette]

Well, first off I'd like to see if you can get back up and running  0.53 
OK - then we can confidently try to figure out what happened with 0.54.


I think the machine failed to un-install Pd 0.54 because it was running 
somehow without showing any windows.  The fix for that would be to look 
in the "task manager" (open that using the famous control-alt-delete key 
combination) and find all copies of Pd that are running, and kill them.  
At that point an "uninstall" should work, but it would be simpler and 
more direct simply to delete the folder "\Program Files\Pd".


Once that's done you should be able to install and run Pd 0.53 as it was 
working before.


NExt step, since this is Windows, might be simply to reinstall 0.54 and 
try it again.  If it doesn't immediately work then let's try together to 
figure out why and how to fix it :)


Miller

On 7/7/23 18:34, Linux ROUEN wrote:


Hello Pd List,

Under Windows 10 22H2 64-bit, the previous 3 versions 0.53.0, 0.53.1 
and 0.53.2 of Pure Data Vanilla were working okay, but not the latest 
0.54.0 version!


I tried today to update to it using the 
‘pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe’ file from Miller’s site but after 
the installation trying to launch it nothing happens.


Installation procedure (with antivirus disabled):

- Uninstall Pd 0.53.2: okay

- Install ‘pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe’: everything went well

- Launch Pd 0.54.0: nothing happens!

- Uninstall Pd 0.54.0: okay

- Reinstall ‘pd-0.53-2.windows-installer.exe’: but lot of errors which 
was not the case previously!


- Launch Pd 0.53.2: it’s opening?!

See the attached zip file for the error messages.

- Uninstall Pd 0.53.2: okay

- Reinstall ‘pd-0.54-0.windows-installer.exe’: but now a lot of errors 
like with 0.53.2 reinstallation!


- Launch Pd 0.54.0: still nothing happens!!

See the attached zip file for the error messages.

See also the attached Pd Bin & Font zip file for the folders content.

Any idea what is going wrong with Pd 0.54.0 installation and now also 
with Pd 0.53.2 reinstallation?


Everything seems to be broken!

Thanks,

Joseph Gastelais


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