Re: [PD] thoughts on the new deken (was Re: [PD-announce] pd version 0.48-2 test1 released)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

regarding the other things, I opened two issues on github

https://github.com/pure-data/deken/issues/200

https://github.com/pure-data/deken/issues/201

2018-08-06 7:49 GMT-03:00 Dan Wilcox :

> I agree. Removing the prompt to add an external to the user paths makes
> sense in the context of [declare -path] searching user paths. Without this
> step, we're back to the problem of "I installed an external, but I can't
> load it, help." I know this prompt is loathed by some but it also keeps the
> amount of "help me" email down in the meantime until 0.49 includes the
> [declare] update.
>
> On Aug 6, 2018, at 9:34 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
>
> 2018-08-05 22:50 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres :
>
>
> 1- There's a default change, now it doesn't prompt you no more if you want
> to add externals to the path. I get it this is more than intentional and
> would like to inquire why. Thinking in the mind set of a newbie and
> newcomer, this might be handy to suggest. Advanced users who are annoyed
> can edit it in the preferences. Anyway, that's just my two pennies on it.
>
>
> I have a new consideration about this. Since Pd suggests the creation of a
> documents folder, and since declare isn't working for that option yet (and
> since miller is holding that fix for 0.49), it makes sense to me to keep
> prompting the user to add the folder to the search paths because that's
> what will help him best, as you'd actually need to include it in the search
> path if you were were to use Pd default's suggestions. Advanced users can
> still edit this for more complicated and different kind of setting.
>
>
> 
> Dan Wilcox
> @danomatika 
> danomatika.com
> robotcowboy.com
>
>
>
>
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Re: [PD] thoughts on the new deken (was Re: [PD-announce] pd version 0.48-2 test1 released)

[Dan Wilcox]

I agree. Removing the prompt to add an external to the user paths makes sense 
in the context of [declare -path] searching user paths. Without this step, 
we're back to the problem of "I installed an external, but I can't load it, 
help." I know this prompt is loathed by some but it also keeps the amount of 
"help me" email down in the meantime until 0.49 includes the [declare] update.

> On Aug 6, 2018, at 9:34 AM, pd-list-requ...@lists.iem.at wrote:
> 
> 2018-08-05 22:50 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres  >:
> 
>> 
>> 1- There's a default change, now it doesn't prompt you no more if you want
>> to add externals to the path. I get it this is more than intentional and
>> would like to inquire why. Thinking in the mind set of a newbie and
>> newcomer, this might be handy to suggest. Advanced users who are annoyed
>> can edit it in the preferences. Anyway, that's just my two pennies on it.
>> 
> 
> I have a new consideration about this. Since Pd suggests the creation of a
> documents folder, and since declare isn't working for that option yet (and
> since miller is holding that fix for 0.49), it makes sense to me to keep
> prompting the user to add the folder to the search paths because that's
> what will help him best, as you'd actually need to include it in the search
> path if you were were to use Pd default's suggestions. Advanced users can
> still edit this for more complicated and different kind of setting.


Dan Wilcox
@danomatika 
danomatika.com 
robotcowboy.com 



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Re: [PD] thoughts on the new deken (was Re: [PD-announce] pd version 0.48-2 test1 released)

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

2018-08-06 4:12 GMT-03:00 IOhannes m zmölnig :
>
> most likely you've already "manually" added that same directory multiple
> times to your search path, and deken just reflects your choice.
>

nope, I had completely nuked Pd out of my machine and did a fresh install
from scratch, and i got that.

(aka: i cannot reproduce your problem and you haven't given enough
> information)
>

Since both issues are not intentional, I'll open an issue then when I have
the time. But this is me in macOS 10.12.6, others might test it as well and
see if they have similar issues.


2018-08-05 22:50 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres :

>
> 1- There's a default change, now it doesn't prompt you no more if you want
> to add externals to the path. I get it this is more than intentional and
> would like to inquire why. Thinking in the mind set of a newbie and
> newcomer, this might be handy to suggest. Advanced users who are annoyed
> can edit it in the preferences. Anyway, that's just my two pennies on it.
>

I have a new consideration about this. Since Pd suggests the creation of a
documents folder, and since declare isn't working for that option yet (and
since miller is holding that fix for 0.49), it makes sense to me to keep
prompting the user to add the folder to the search paths because that's
what will help him best, as you'd actually need to include it in the search
path if you were were to use Pd default's suggestions. Advanced users can
still edit this for more complicated and different kind of setting.

cheers
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Re: [PD] thoughts on the new deken (was Re: [PD-announce] pd version 0.48-2 test1 released)

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 08/06/2018 03:50 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> 2- The preferences tab seems overcomplicated and I can't understand a few
> aspects of it. There is a "check" box which I don't know what it is
> supposed to check, and that I cannot actually click on it and activate the
> checking.

no. (aka: i cannot reproduce your problem and you haven't given enough
information)

> Also, when asking "Install externals to directory:" I can select
> the same directory (/Users/porres/Documents/Pd/externals, in my case) in
> four different places, and I don't know why can't it be just one.

i don't have any dupes.
most likely you've already "manually" added that same directory multiple
times to your search path, and deken just reflects your choice.

fgmdsr
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