Re: PESO foggy harbour

[Jim Apilado]

The gulls make the picture.  Before you tripped the shutter,  were you
hoping for gulls to fly into the frame?

Jim A.

> From: Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:26:37 -0800
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: PESO foggy harbour
> Resent-From: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 01:18:47 -0500
> 
> Good evening every one!
> I developed my first batch of slides yesterday! (a hundred and fifty
> dollars! @#^&% )
> Here is one of the best ones (in my opinion).
> http://www.photosynth.ca/photo/f/boat&sea-gulls.html
> Taken with my P3n and some no-name screw mount 28mm.
> All comments appreciated (even the ones I don't get around to relying to ;-\
> ).
> 
> Francis
> P.S. In case you were wondering this is a REAL photo, no "post processing"
> (aside from dusting off the hair balls and trying to get the colors to
> match the slide (hopeless))
> 

Re: OT Drag (races) shots

[Mark Erickson]

The last of the V8 Interceptors! A piece of history!

Re: PESO foggy harbour

[David Nelson]

Blimey! Awesome shot! Looks like it's out of a CGI movie.
Cheers,
David
Francis wrote:
Good evening every one!
I developed my first batch of slides yesterday! (a hundred and fifty 
dollars! @#^&% )
Here is one of the best ones (in my opinion).
http://www.photosynth.ca/photo/f/boat&sea-gulls.html
Taken with my P3n and some no-name screw mount 28mm.
All comments appreciated (even the ones I don't get around to relying to 
;-\ ).

Francis
P.S. In case you were wondering this is a REAL photo, no "post 
processing" (aside from dusting off the hair balls and trying to get the 
colors to match the slide (hopeless))

RE: AF lenses for astrophotography?

[Amita Guha]

> I'll second what Jostein said.  Shouldn't be a problem unless it's a 
> downpour.  And what would you see in the heavens, but clouds then...?

I was just thinking of dew. I've only been shooting AF lenses for about 9
months and I don't know how much they can tolerate yet. I'm used to the old
lenses that you could use to hammer tent pegs if you had to. ;)

Thanks,
Amita

RE: PESO: The splendour and the misery of Berlin

[Jens Bladt]

What is the misery? Die Rundfunk Turm? I've been there many years ago :-)
All my photographs came out green, because of the coloured glass in the
dome!

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Peter Lacus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 20. marts 2005 00:18
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: PESO: The splendour and the misery of Berlin


http://www.misenet.sk/Berlin/

Bedo.

RE: PAW PESO - Snoozer

[Jens Bladt]

Cute! I love hes hand and the way the cap curves over the boys ear!

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 18. marts 2005 01:19
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: Re: PAW PESO - Snoozer


On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:40:54 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> In a message dated 3/15/2005 7:50:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Taken last year at the Berkeley Kite Festival.
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/snoozer.html
>
> Shel
> ===
> Aww. Wait a minute... Signature says Shel, but it's a cute baby pic.

Maybe it's a homeless cute baby 

cheers,
frank



--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

PESO foggy harbour

[Francis]

Good evening every one!
I developed my first batch of slides yesterday! (a hundred and fifty 
dollars! @#^&% )
Here is one of the best ones (in my opinion).
http://www.photosynth.ca/photo/f/boat&sea-gulls.html
Taken with my P3n and some no-name screw mount 28mm.
All comments appreciated (even the ones I don't get around to relying to ;-\ ).

Francis
P.S. In case you were wondering this is a REAL photo, no "post processing" 
(aside from dusting off the hair balls and trying to get the colors to 
match the slide (hopeless))

RE: PAW PESO - Coffee Royalty

[Jens Bladt]

Veryu funny, but I kinda miss seeing a couple in the "doorway"!
Jens

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 20. marts 2005 03:32
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: PAW PESO - Coffee Royalty


It just caught my eye, and since I'm trying to work a little more in color
 taken at a breakfast place I sometimes visit.

http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/royal-01.html

Shel 

Re: OT Drag (races) shots

[John Francis]

I like a number of them - I think my favourite is the guy smokin' out
the bike on the start line (although the pan of the bike is good, too).

But for several of the others I feel the shutter speed is too high;
there's just no sensation of motion.  Even on the shots showing the
wild flexing of the sidewall at the start line I'd like to see just
a little blurring.


Shel Belinkoff mused:
> 
> There are a few nice shots there, Rob.  Boy, I've not been to a drag race
> in quite a few years.  They can sure be fun.
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Rob Studdert 
> 
> > Some cool shots for the drag heds on the list, by a photog from another
> forum 
> > that I frequent:
> >
> > http://forums.overlander.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=25057
> > http://forums.overlander.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=25064
> >
> > :-)
> >
> >
> > Rob Studdert
> > HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> > Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> > UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
> > Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
> 
> 

Re: any further comments on the FA 28-105/3.2-4.5 AL IF ?

[David Oswald]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
Comments on Stan's Pentax site are limited on this lens, I'd like to 
know more about it.

I'm enjoying the mixture of F series modest-aperture zooms and faster A 
series primes. :-)
I've owned the SMC Pentax-FA 28-105 f/3.2-4.5 AL(IF) for about a year 
now, and have been very pleased with its performance on my ZX-5n.  It 
produces sharp, and reasonably contrasty images.

When I first purchased the ZX-5n, it came with a 28-70 f/4 AL; a lens 
with a pretty good reputation for its price and size.  But I yearned for 
greater reach at the long end.  So I bought a 28-105 f/4-5.6 PZ (the 
heavier power zoom lens).  It turned out to be a total dog.  I'm sure I 
just had a bad one.  It was used when I bought it, and though it looked 
unharmed, there must really have been something wrong; it just never 
seemed sharp.  So I sold it to someone who needed it for parts.  And in 
its place I arrived at the 28-105 f/3.2-4.5.

Now for my comments on the SMC Pentax FA 28-105 f/3.2-4.5 AL(IF):
Size is small, lightweight, and convenient.  Build is not fantastic, but 
I wouldn't call it flimsy either.  It does have a metal mount flange. 
Other manufacturers have cut that corner in favor of cheaper prices. 
Light falloff in the corners is reasonably minimal.  Sharpness is fine 
from end to end.  I haven't done a scientific test in this regard, but I 
can say that it doesn't seem noticably softer to at the long end, at 
least to the discerning casual user.

I really like its range on my ZX-5n.  I found that once I grew confident 
in the lens's capabilities I ended up carrying fewer lenses, trusting 
the majority of my pictures to this lens in general casual shooting.  I 
love the fact that it's a half-stop faster than the heavier "PZ" version.

Then I got an *ist-DS.  This lens has produced some very good results on 
my DS, but I can tell immediately when I compare its results to the 
results I get from my 50mm f/1.4.  I don't know if I'm looking more 
closely, or if the crop factor is separating the men from the boys, so 
to speak.  But it's not as good as my primes.  Nevertheless, it's still 
a very useful and nice lens to use, even on the DS.

hope this helps...
Dave

Re: PAW PESO - Coffee Royalty

[Bruce Dayton]

Oh, that is much improved!  I like it better now.

Bruce


Saturday, March 19, 2005, 9:33:27 PM, you wrote:

SB> I redid the pic.  Maybe it's better now.  The boards were too dark.

SB> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/royal-01.html

SB> Shel 


>> [Original Message]
>> From: Pat K 

>> I really like the brightness of the white and the bold red and blue along
SB> the
>> edges.  However, the dark chocolate of the fence boards in the center is
>> distracting. I can just *barely* make out a knot or two in the wood or
SB> some
>> swirl patterns, but not *quite* and it's distracting.
>>
>> -Patsy
>> Pat in SF
>>
>> --- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > It just caught my eye, and since I'm trying to work a little more in
SB> color
>> >  taken at a breakfast place I sometimes visit.
>> > 
>> > http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/royal-01.html
>> > 
>> > Shel 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>>
>>
>>  
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RE: OT Drag (races) shots

[Shel Belinkoff]

There are a few nice shots there, Rob.  Boy, I've not been to a drag race
in quite a few years.  They can sure be fun.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Rob Studdert 

> Some cool shots for the drag heds on the list, by a photog from another
forum 
> that I frequent:
>
> http://forums.overlander.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=25057
> http://forums.overlander.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=25064
>
> :-)
>
>
> Rob Studdert
> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: DNG vs PEF

[Shel Belinkoff]

Ahhh, thanks John, Godfrey.  I'd not DL'd the new version of DNG. Got it
now.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: John Francis 
>
> It's supposedly an option with the version of the
> DNG converter released at the same time as Version
> 2.4 of Adobe Camera Raw  (the one with DS support).
> It wasn't in the beta test - just in the release.

Re: PAW PESO - Coffee Royalty

[Shel Belinkoff]

Thanks for the feedback, Peter.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Peter J. Alling 

> Shel, I like this one.  The previous version was nice but this has more 
> punch.
>
> Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
> >I redid the pic.  Maybe it's better now.  The boards were too dark.
> >
> >http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/royal-01.html

Re: PAW PESO - Coffee Royalty

[Peter J. Alling]

Shel, I like this one.  The previous version was nice but this has more 
punch.

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
I redid the pic.  Maybe it's better now.  The boards were too dark.
http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/royal-01.html
Shel 

 

[Original Message]
From: Pat K 
   

 

I really like the brightness of the white and the bold red and blue along
   

the
 

edges.  However, the dark chocolate of the fence boards in the center is
distracting. I can just *barely* make out a knot or two in the wood or
   

some
 

swirl patterns, but not *quite* and it's distracting.
-Patsy
Pat in SF
--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   

It just caught my eye, and since I'm trying to work a little more in
 

color
 

 taken at a breakfast place I sometimes visit.
http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/royal-01.html
Shel 


 

		
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Re: PAW PESO - Coffee Royalty

[Shel Belinkoff]

I redid the pic.  Maybe it's better now.  The boards were too dark.

http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/royal-01.html

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Pat K 

> I really like the brightness of the white and the bold red and blue along
the
> edges.  However, the dark chocolate of the fence boards in the center is
> distracting. I can just *barely* make out a knot or two in the wood or
some
> swirl patterns, but not *quite* and it's distracting.
>
> -Patsy
> Pat in SF
>
> --- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It just caught my eye, and since I'm trying to work a little more in
color
> >  taken at a breakfast place I sometimes visit.
> > 
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/royal-01.html
> > 
> > Shel 
> > 
> > 
> > 
>
>
>   
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Re: How much do you have invested in your camera equipment ??

[Scott Loveless]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:38:32 -0500 (EST), Fred Widall
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The discussion regarding who would buy the new D645 made me wonder how
> much you folk spend on your career/hobby/addiction.
> 
I've aquired most of my gear in the last two years.  Other than the
*ist, which I bought new, and the K1000, which my Dad bought new in
'84, everything has been purchased used.  All of it garden variety. 
Three Pentax 35mm bodies, a handful of M series lenses, a Mamiya C220
with two lenses, a Crown Graphic (with case, graphmatic film holder
and lightsaber), and a some odd ball crap (meters, bags, tripods,
etc.)  I've probably spent about $1500.  Of this, I use two of the
35mm bodies (the *ist rarely comes off the shelf), two lenses (28/3.5
and 50/1.7), and occasionally the Mamiya rig.  So I've overpaid by
about a grand.  Will I ever sell any of it?  Heck no!

-- 
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

Re: Is this dust?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Kennedy"
Subject: Is this dust?



Does this mean I'll have to (gulp) clean the ccd? 

Learn to love the healing brush..
William Robb

Re: Weekend WTB. ;)

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Roberts"
Subject: Re: Weekend WTB. ;)


frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I just went to the fire-proof air-tight vault in my basement, the one
with 12 inch stainless steel walls encased in 3 feet of reinforced
concrete.
I thought that was in the basement of "Cassino Towers"?
Cassino Industries went belly up. I expect Frank got a very good price on 
the old vault.

William Robb 

OT Drag (races) shots

[Rob Studdert]

Some cool shots for the drag heds on the list, by a photog from another forum 
that I frequent:

http://forums.overlander.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=25057
http://forums.overlander.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=25064

:-)


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: New email address

[Steve Larson]

Hi Bill,
Got it, thanks. How ya been?
- Original Message - 
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:10 PM
Subject: New email address


Hi, I have made a slight change to my email address, in an effort to 
remove myself from some of the offers that make me feel as if I am not 
manly enough.
Kindly update your address book to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks
Bill

Re: PAW PESO - Coffee Royalty

[Pat K]

Dave,

If you look at the lower left hand corner of the photo, the card on the left is
the queen of diamonds. 

-Patsy
Pat in SF

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Shel, i'm going to go against my norm, and not wait 3 weeks to answer.LOL
> 
> Interesting composition. I like the 1/2 circles on the top part of the photo,
> and the K in
> King.Just
> wish the left part had the  card definition on it. Nice colours.
> 
> Dave  
> 
>   > It just caught my eye, and since I'm 
> trying to work a little
> more in color
> > . taken at a breakfast place I sometimes visit.
> > 
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/royal-01.html
> > 
> > Shel 
> > 
> > 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 



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Re: PESO: Candles in the studio

[Pat K]

Hi Paul,

As I was switching between the two photos, I couldn't decide which one I liked
better. I opened Candles II (f/22)first. It grabbed me right away. Very sharp
defined candle holders. Lovely curvy light reflections on the left of each of
the holders. Then I opened Candles (f/2.5) which isn't a bad photos, but it
doesn't grab me the same way that that Candles II did.

-Patsy
Pat in SF  

--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I photographed some candles this afternoon. They were shot with the SMC 
> Pentax 135/2.5 on the *istD. I decided to try this two ways. Once with 
> a lot of depth of field and consistently sharp images, the other with 
> very limited depth of field and diminishing sharpness. One is at f22, 
> 20 seconds, the other is at f2.5, .3 second. Two studio flashes. One 
> firing off the ceiling , the other into an umbrella. 3/4 power for the 
> f22 shot, 1/16th power for the f2.5 shot.
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3210253&size=lg
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3210251&size=lg
> 
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Re: Paw: Trumpeter Swans for Markus

[brooksdj]

Thank you sir.

Dave  

> That's durned nice, Dave ;-))  My 
comments are like Bruces on this on.
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Date: 3/19/2005 5:50:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: Paw: Trumpeter Swans for Markus
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > This one, I like.  I like the basic white out background - makes it
> > look nice and snowy.  I like the subtle change in white between the
> > swan and the surroundings.  I like the swan being off center and on
> > one foot.  Nice shot!
> >
> > -- 
> > Best regards,
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> > Saturday, March 19, 2005, 4:18:54 AM, you wrote:
> >
> > bcin> Hummm. I see Paul S. and Markus's comments in the
> > bcin> archives but not on the email.
> >
> > bcin> Oh well,thanks Paul and Markus for the comments.
> >
> > bcin> Oh and here is the Swan shot.:-)
> >
> > bcin>  http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/swansong.jpg   
> >
> > bcin> Comments welcome. I'll take negative AND positive comments. 
> >
> > bcin> BTW dressage tape out of the way, AC adaptor bought,
> > bcin> looked at the Sigma 500 super flash
> > bcin> AND the DA
> > bcin> 16-45(nice). Now to get Sundays horse show out of the way.:-)
> >
> > bcin> Dave(sent in his PUG just now)Brooks  
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 

Re: Paw: Trumpeter Swans for Markus

[brooksdj]

> I have to agree with everything Bruce 
said. Very nice shot, thoughtfully
composed.
> Paul
> 
Thank you

Dave

Re: Is this dust?

[brooksdj]

> On 19 Mar 2005 at 22:09, Dave Kennedy 
wrote:
> 
> > Does this mean I'll have to (gulp) clean the ccd? 

So far the mirror lock up and a hurricane blower have kept the istD sensor 
clear. My
%**(%*O%& D2h
is another story.,:-)

Dave

Re: PESO Save the whale

[brooksdj]

Sharp and great colours.
Nice one Albano

Dave 

> 
> It's an ice cream shop, maybe the bizarrest (it's an
> sculpture handmade with concrete)...
> "Enjoy":
> 
> http://www.flaneur.com.ar/20.htm
> 
> Regardos,
> 
> 
> =
> Albano Garcia
> Photography & Graphic Design
> http://www.albanogarcia.com.ar
> http://www.flaneur.com.ar
>  
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: PAW PESO - Coffee Royalty

[brooksdj]

Shel, i'm going to go against my norm, and not wait 3 weeks to answer.LOL

Interesting composition. I like the 1/2 circles on the top part of the photo, 
and the K in
King.Just
wish the left part had the  card definition on it. Nice colours.

Dave  

> It just caught my eye, and since I'm 
trying to work a little more in color
> . taken at a breakfast place I sometimes visit.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/royal-01.html
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 

Re: OT: Pantone Color Vision Spyder

[Rob Studdert]

On 19 Mar 2005 at 16:59, Kenneth Waller wrote:

> I  just received this offer from Pantone.
> I've had the Color Vision Spyder for several years & find it well worth what I
> spent for it. Their closeout price is $77 USD!!! If you're serious about 
> getting
> your monitor and print agreeing in color, this is  one way to achieve that end
> (@ a very cheap price!!!) 
> http://www.pantone.com/products/products.asp?idArea=91

This is damn good value and is IMHO a very worth while purchase for any who 
takes their digital image process seriously (contrary to some reports). It can 
help place any photographer firmly in the drivers seat when dealing with 
outside libraries, editors or printers.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: Is this dust?

[Herb Chong]

probably dust. is this a 1:1 crop of an image?
Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 10:09 PM
Subject: Is this dust?


Ok, I'm new with the DSLR thing (DS), and I just noticed a couple of
light 'blobs' on my pics.
see here : 
http://www.pbase.com/davekennedy/image/40990668

Is this dust on the CCD? 

Re: All of Pentax Japan 35mm lenses

[Doug Franklin]

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:58:00 -0500, Herb Chong wrote:

> if i am going to pay 80% of the price of a new lens, it has to be
> pretty close to perfect. 

Makes sense.  I paid about 60% the price of a new FA* when I got my F*.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: PESO - Firmly Entrenched

[brooksdj]

Again, sorry for being so late on these PAW'S, but, i love this one.

Great linework on the stump.
The pieces of grass make a nice contrast.

Dave 

> This was taken while on a walk with 
my daughter.  We were both taking
> pictures and this root caught my eye.
> 
> Pentax *istD, DA 16-45/4, handheld
> ISO 400, 1/60 sec, f/9.5
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_1163.htm
> 
> Converted from Raw to Tiff with C1 - converted from Tiff to jpg,
> sized/sharpened for the web.
> 
> Comments welcome
> 
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
> 
> 

Re: Is this dust?

[Rob Studdert]

On 19 Mar 2005 at 22:09, Dave Kennedy wrote:

> Does this mean I'll have to (gulp) clean the ccd? 

Yup.


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Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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Re: Is this dust?

[Mark Cassino]

Looks like dust. Set the camera to f22, and take an out of focus shot of 
something like a light table or white monitor screen. If dust, those soft 
round spots will be much clearer.

- MCC
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Mark Cassino Photography
Kalamazoo, MI
www.markcassino.com
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- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 10:09 PM
Subject: Is this dust?


Ok, I'm new with the DSLR thing (DS), and I just noticed a couple of
light 'blobs' on my pics.
see here :
http://www.pbase.com/davekennedy/image/40990668
Is this dust on the CCD?
Stays with the camera, still there after changing lenses.
Does this mean I'll have to (gulp) clean the ccd?
dk

Re: PAW PESO - Coffee Royalty

[Pat K]

Hi Shel,

I really like the brightness of the white and the bold red and blue along the
edges.  However, the dark chocolate of the fence boards in the center is
distracting. I can just *barely* make out a knot or two in the wood or some
swirl patterns, but not *quite* and it's distracting.

-Patsy
Pat in SF

--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It just caught my eye, and since I'm trying to work a little more in color
>  taken at a breakfast place I sometimes visit.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/royal-01.html
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> 



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Re: Is this dust?

[Peter J. Alling]

It sure looks like it.
Dave Kennedy wrote:
Ok, I'm new with the DSLR thing (DS), and I just noticed a couple of
light 'blobs' on my pics.
see here : 
http://www.pbase.com/davekennedy/image/40990668

Is this dust on the CCD? 
Stays with the camera, still there after changing lenses. 

Does this mean I'll have to (gulp) clean the ccd? 

dk
 


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: PESO: On My Way To Work: Hazy Summer Morning

[brooksdj]

Nice shot Rick.
Hilites are a bit strong on my monitor,but i like the framing and the nice 
green on the
ivy(?)

Dave  

> Last week, being weary of winter, I scanned a 
slide
> from a few years ago.  This was taken on the Penn
> campus as I paused on my way to work.
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3178194
> 
> Comments appreciated.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
>   
>   
> __ 
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> 

Is this dust?

[Dave Kennedy]

Ok, I'm new with the DSLR thing (DS), and I just noticed a couple of
light 'blobs' on my pics.

see here : 
http://www.pbase.com/davekennedy/image/40990668

Is this dust on the CCD? 
Stays with the camera, still there after changing lenses. 

Does this mean I'll have to (gulp) clean the ccd? 

dk

Re: PAW: My Baby Girl

[brooksdj]

This is what i get for waiting to late to answer Paws. No pic available  :-(

Dave  

> My daughter Ingrid in the studio. 
> I've been trying to get her to sit for me for a long time. Today, she needed 
> a passport
photo, so I talked her into a couple extra shots. She's a junior at Michigan 
State, and
will be studying in France this summer.
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3175165&size=lg
> 

Re: PAW PESO - Coffee Royalty

[Shel Belinkoff]

Now that I look at it again, I'd have to agree with you.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Bruce Dayton 

> Kind of so so for me.  I would like to see a bit more detail in the
> lower middle - on my monitor it is a little dark.

Re: Swiss Alps

[Bill Lawlor]

Markus, don't forget to open up a stop or even two when metering glaciers
and snow in sunny conditions. In 1989 I forgot this rule and ended up with
pictures of nice gray snow on the Jungfrau. The meter did what it was
supposed to do-reduce the image to gray.

Bill Lawlor

Re: First PESO

[brooksdj]

Little late Joseph,but, i really like this shot.

Nice detail and composition.

Dave 

> 
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/3342/display/2543597
> 
> Comments welcome, of course.
> 
> Thanks to whichever list member made me aware of fotocommunity.
> 
> Joe
> 

Re: All of Pentax Japan 35mm lenses

[Herb Chong]

i though the ones i have seen overpriced. if i am going to pay 80% of the 
price of a new lens, it has to be pretty close to perfect. the F* ones i 
have seen aren't in that kind of condition. yes, i will miss the tripod 
mount, but since i plan to hand hold the lens most of the time anyway, i 
don't care much. it's the lens i intend to use for birds in flight. if i 
want to get birds that aren't moving around that much, i'll use the 
A*400/2.8 with the 1.7X AF extender.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Franklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: All of Pentax Japan 35mm lenses


Is there a particular reason you want the FA* version?  I mean other
than you're looking to get a new one.  I waited for an F* version
because it has the nice tripod mount.  Even when the thing's not on a
tripod, that mount makes a wonderful handle.

Re: PESO - Mail

[brooksdj]

Nice shot Bruce.

Detail is great.

I have this lens. Love it.

Dave  

> Took this while out for a walk and 
testing the A 70-210/4.
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_1442.htm
> 
> Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld
> ISO 400, 1/350 sec @ f/8.0
> 
> Comments welcome
> 
> Bruce
> 

Re: How much do you have invested in your camera equipment ??

[Doug Franklin]

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:30:38 -0500, Kenneth Waller wrote:

> I love  all forms of motor racing but the way it is today its becoming
> less of a competition and more of a 'Show".

Luckily, that's less prevalent in the types of racing we do.  At the
amateur (Club Racing) level, the fangs are definitely out on track. :-)
 And, since we typically have three to six classes on track at the same
time, you can always find someone to fight with, even if you're DFL
(Dead Flippin' Last), like me.

> Good luck with your baby grand venture, looks like fun.

Thanks.  It's going to be tough for me to get used to "dirt tracking"
it around the sharper corners (the BGs don't have a rear differential),
and I'm curious to see how stable it is at top speed compared to the
larger RX-7.  Hopefully we'll have some pictures from competition in
May or June.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: Pic of BENBO 3 I'm back and I have stuff FS

[Ann Sanfedele]

Don and list --
I'm craving $80 but will probably take less :)

here is a down and dirty pick the Benbo 3  -
I think I got it about 15 years ago... 
4 1/2 lbs... all black.. the light thing on the
shaft is just my name tag

http://users.rcn.com/annsan/BENBO3.jpg


annsan

p.s. I spruced up my OWl and pussycat store on
cafepress a bit -
but no camera stuff there :)

anyone need a t-shirt??  Teddy bear? cap?
http://www.cafepress.com/annsanstuff

Re: PAW PESO - Coffee Royalty

[Shel Belinkoff]

I was going for a more high contrast, saturated look.  I'll see what a
little brightening might do.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Bruce Dayton 

> Kind of so so for me.  I would like to see a bit more detail in the
> lower middle - on my monitor it is a little dark.

>  http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/royal-01.html

RE: AF lenses for astrophotography?

[Tom C]

I'll second what Jostein said.  Shouldn't be a problem unless it's a 
downpour.  And what would you see in the heavens, but clouds then...?

Tom C.

From: "Amita Guha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
To: 
Subject: AF lenses for astrophotography?
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:10:18 -0500
Is it possible to use an AF lens in the cold and damp for long periods of
time without damaging the electronics? I want to get rid of an MF lens I
don't like and never use, and the only reason I can think of to keep it is
for astrophotography. I was thinking of using the Sigma 20mm EX for this
purpose instead, but I don't want to do it if it's going to damage the 
lens.

Thanks,
Amita

Re: All of Pentax Japan 35mm lenses

[Doug Franklin]

Hi Herb,

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:40:19 -0500, Herb Chong wrote:

> i'd be interested in a FA* 300/4.5 that way. i'd rather have
> black Limiteds, but i'll make do with my silver ones.

Is there a particular reason you want the FA* version?  I mean other
than you're looking to get a new one.  I waited for an F* version
because it has the nice tripod mount.  Even when the thing's not on a
tripod, that mount makes a wonderful handle.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: PAW PESO - Coffee Royalty

[Bruce Dayton]

Kind of so so for me.  I would like to see a bit more detail in the
lower middle - on my monitor it is a little dark.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Saturday, March 19, 2005, 6:32:08 PM, you wrote:

SB> It just caught my eye, and since I'm trying to work a little more in color
SB>  taken at a breakfast place I sometimes visit.

SB> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/royal-01.html

SB> Shel 

Re: PESO - On the bridge

[brooksdj]

> It's not my normal style of thing at all, so I find
> myself unable to decide whether it's worth showing.
> But I'll never learn if I don't, so here it is:
> 
>   
> 
> Have at it.  Comments actively encouraged.
> 
> 

 Not a bad shot John. The hilites are a ~bit~ strong and the one womans head 
would be nice
to
see,but a nice shot non the less.

Dave

Re: All of Pentax Japan 35mm lenses

[Herb Chong]

i'd be interested in a FA* 300/4.5 that way. i'd rather have black Limiteds, 
but i'll make do with my silver ones.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph Tainter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pdml" 
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: All of Pentax Japan 35mm lenses


Okay, can anyone put me in touch with a dealer in Japan?
(I've wondered about going that route. Anyone want a black limited?)

Re: Paw: Trumpeter Swans for Markus

[Shel Belinkoff]

That's durned nice, Dave ;-))  My comments are like Bruces on this on.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Date: 3/19/2005 5:50:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Paw: Trumpeter Swans for Markus
>
> Dave,
>
> This one, I like.  I like the basic white out background - makes it
> look nice and snowy.  I like the subtle change in white between the
> swan and the surroundings.  I like the swan being off center and on
> one foot.  Nice shot!
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
>
>
> Saturday, March 19, 2005, 4:18:54 AM, you wrote:
>
> bcin> Hummm. I see Paul S. and Markus's comments in the
> bcin> archives but not on the email.
>
> bcin> Oh well,thanks Paul and Markus for the comments.
>
> bcin> Oh and here is the Swan shot.:-)
>
> bcin>  http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/swansong.jpg 
>
> bcin> Comments welcome. I'll take negative AND positive comments. 
>
> bcin> BTW dressage tape out of the way, AC adaptor bought,
> bcin> looked at the Sigma 500 super flash
> bcin> AND the DA
> bcin> 16-45(nice). Now to get Sundays horse show out of the way.:-)
>
> bcin> Dave(sent in his PUG just now)Brooks
>   
>
>
>

Re: Paw: Trumpeter Swans for Markus

[pnstenquist]

I have to agree with everything Bruce said. Very nice shot, thoughtfully 
composed.
Paul


> Thanks Bruce.
> 
> The Swans at the farm are one of my favorites subjects
> 
> Dave(this close to the 16-45)Brooks   
> 
>   > Dave,
> > 
> > This one, I like.  I like the basic white out background - makes it
> > look nice and snowy.  I like the subtle change in white between the
> > swan and the surroundings.  I like the swan being off center and on
> > one foot.  Nice shot!
> > 
> > -- 
> > Best regards,
> > Bruce
> > 
> > 
> > Saturday, March 19, 2005, 4:18:54 AM, you wrote:
> > 
> > bcin> Hummm. I see Paul S. and Markus's comments in the
> > bcin> archives but not on the email.
> > 
> > bcin> Oh well,thanks Paul and Markus for the comments.
> > 
> > bcin> Oh and here is the Swan shot.:-)
> > 
> > bcin>  http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/swansong.jpg   
> > 
> > bcin> Comments welcome. I'll take negative AND positive comments. 
> > 
> > bcin> BTW dressage tape out of the way, AC adaptor bought,
> > bcin> looked at the Sigma 500 super flash
> > bcin> AND the DA
> > bcin> 16-45(nice). Now to get Sundays horse show out of the way.:-)
> > 
> > bcin> Dave(sent in his PUG just now)Brooks  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
>   
> 
> 

Re: OT: Exiting Left (Unsubscribing)

[brooksdj]

Hi Marnie.

Sorry to hear you had to do that with your Mom. I went throught the dementia,
Parkinson,world of
drugs with my Mom to.
Unfortunatly last Feb she left us.
I know how much that can take out of a person,so I do wish you and your Mom 
well,and take
a well
deserved break.

Dave 

 [snipped]  > Well, I've put my Mom in a 
nursing home for a week so I can get a
much needed 
> rest. (After one day she has adjusted and says she even likes it. They have 
> lots of activities.)
> 
> As some of you know, she has dementia. In other words, I am pooped. 
> 

> Exiting Left...
> 
> Marnie ;-)
> 

PAW PESO - Coffee Royalty

[Shel Belinkoff]

It just caught my eye, and since I'm trying to work a little more in color
 taken at a breakfast place I sometimes visit.

http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/royal-01.html

Shel 

Re: PAW PESO - Lágrimas

[brooksdj]

Other than the break line in the mural, i like it.Nice colours and contrast.

Dave  

> I like to see a subject's eyes in my 
photos whenever possible.  I've also
> been working off and on on a project photographing murals around the San
> Francisco area.  This little snap caught my eye:
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/tears.html
> 
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 

Re: All of Pentax Japan 35mm lenses

[Joseph Tainter]

If you can't buy from Pentax Japan I am sure there are retailers in Japan
that would be glad to send you one.
There was a guy in California a few years ago who ran a service buying
products from Japan.  I nearly bought a camera through him.  The price was
good, but decided to pass due to warrantee limitations.  Lenses should be
more reliable I think so warrantee might not be as much of a concern.
Powell
-
Okay, can anyone put me in touch with a dealer in Japan?
(I've wondered about going that route. Anyone want a black limited?)
Joe

Re: PAW (take 2): Kiki Got 'Tude

[brooksdj]

> A couple of days ago, I posted one of 
Kiki, in a rather reflective
> mood.  I took several others of her that day;  I actually prefered
> this one to the first, except I thought the neg looked a bit soft
> (yes, I do have standards ).  After some of the comments I got
> earlier in the week, I decided to get this one printed up, and I was
> pleasantly surprised, as It's certainly sharp enough for me:
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3169638

> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3164457
> 
> As always, comments are most appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
War room says's no, but i like the pose.

Dave

Re: Weekend WTB. ;)

[Mark Roberts]

frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>I just went to the fire-proof air-tight vault in my basement, the one
>with 12 inch stainless steel walls encased in 3 feet of reinforced
>concrete.

I thought that was in the basement of "Cassino Towers"?

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: PESO -- Untitled 3

[brooksdj]

Interesting shot Peter.
Love the detail in the foreground object.

Dave

> A number of  people suggested that I 
revisit this site and give it 
> another go so before I get to the "better"
> pictures I thought I'd post this one.  Complete with annoying color 
> fringing and obnoxious fisheye effect.
> 
> http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PESO_--_untitled3.html
> 
> As usual comments are welcome but may be totaly ignored, Yadda, Yadda, 
> Yadda.
> 
> -- 
> I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
> During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
> and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during 
> peacetime.
>   --P.J. O'Rourke
> 
> 

Re: Another test. Do not read

[David Savage]

Marnie,

It's the same mechanism as "Don't look down" & "It's too your
right.no, your other right.", people are just contrary. :-)

BTW Bill, I have to read it to know not to read it s... :-)

Dave S




On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:09:05 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a message dated 3/19/2005 4:03:11 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> failed again
> ===
> And why is it, when it says do not read, I always do?
> 
> Hehehe.
> 
> Marnie
> 
>

Re: Another test. Do not read

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/19/2005 4:03:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
failed again
===
And why is it, when it says do not read, I always do?

Hehehe.

Marnie

OT: Exiting Left (Unsubscribing)

[Eactivist]

Well, I've put my Mom in a nursing home for a week so I can get a much needed 
rest. (After one day she has adjusted and says she even likes it. They have 
lots of activities.)

As some of you know, she has dementia. In other words, I am pooped. 

Then I realized I spent part of last night and today on PDML reading/writing. 
More than I had planned. So right now it's too distracting.

This is an at home alone vacation -- rest, get some stuff done, rest.

So I am going to unsubscribe for a week to a week and a half or so. (In case 
you are wondering why I am not replying to some posts.)

Then I'll be back my usual chatty and joking self. I probably should say 
urbane and witty self. Nyah, not me. Chatty and joking.

Some new PESOs to share, results of the exposure survey to report, and a web 
page of Shaw and Lepp links to do. But all that will have to wait until after.

BTW, I am unsubscribing NOW. So if you respond to this thread saying, "Hey, 
get a good rest, Marnie." While I appreciate the thought, I won't see it. So 
beam it to me mentally. ;-)

Exiting Left...

Marnie ;-)

Re: Paw: Trumpeter Swans for Markus

[brooksdj]

Thanks Bruce.

The Swans at the farm are one of my favorites subjects

Dave(this close to the 16-45)Brooks   

> Dave,
> 
> This one, I like.  I like the basic white out background - makes it
> look nice and snowy.  I like the subtle change in white between the
> swan and the surroundings.  I like the swan being off center and on
> one foot.  Nice shot!
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Bruce
> 
> 
> Saturday, March 19, 2005, 4:18:54 AM, you wrote:
> 
> bcin> Hummm. I see Paul S. and Markus's comments in the
> bcin> archives but not on the email.
> 
> bcin> Oh well,thanks Paul and Markus for the comments.
> 
> bcin> Oh and here is the Swan shot.:-)
> 
> bcin>  http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/swansong.jpg 
> 
> bcin> Comments welcome. I'll take negative AND positive comments. 
> 
> bcin> BTW dressage tape out of the way, AC adaptor bought,
> bcin> looked at the Sigma 500 super flash
> bcin> AND the DA
> bcin> 16-45(nice). Now to get Sundays horse show out of the way.:-)
> 
> bcin> Dave(sent in his PUG just now)Brooks
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: GESO: Norcal Meet (with Bride)

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/19/2005 5:57:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Some nice shots. Marnie. I like how you shot the shootet:-)

Dave  
==
Hehehehehe. Thanks, Dave. 

Marnie ;-)

RE: Weekend WTB. ;)

[Don Sanderson]

Lacuna: La*cu"na
1. [n]  an ornamental sunken panel in a ceiling or dome. 
2. [n]  a blank gap or missing part.

Just so no one else has to. ;-/

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 7:39 PM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Weekend WTB. ;)
> 
> 
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:11:48 -0800, David Oswald 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I hope that a WTB post isn't against the list's charter.  If so, I
> > apologize.
> 
> 
> I just went to the fire-proof air-tight vault in my basement, the one
> with 12 inch stainless steel walls encased in 3 feet of reinforced
> concrete.  I dialed in the 15 number combination that only Jostein,
> Doug the List Guy and I know.  If one gets the combination wrong more
> than twice in succession, tear gas is emitted by this vault.  Prior to
> dialing the combination, I put on my hazmat suit (so as not to
> contaminate anything with my bodily oils, secretions, scents, vapours,
> etc.), and very carefully removed the Sacred PDML Charter from said
> vault.
> 
> Upon referring to the Charter, I can state unequivocally that the
> issue of WTB is a lacuna.
> 
> Therefore, you may at this time, and in the future, legally make such
> posts (unless the Charter is amended, at which time you'll all be
> notified by on-list post, separate e-mail, and registered snail-mail).
> 
> Just so's ya know...
> 
> 
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
> 
> -- 
> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
> 

Re: GESO: Norcal Meet (with Bride)

[brooksdj]

> I am feeling a bit paranoid about my 
posts making it through, because
several 
> important ones haven't in the last week. I posted a long message with this 
> link, so now I am posting a short one. Sorry for any duplicates. I do know 
> short 
> messages make it. 
> 
> Norcal Meet (with Bride)
> http://members.aol.com/eactivist/MEET/
> 
> Comments welcome (even encouraged -- feedback helps me continue to improve).
> 
> Marnie 
> 

   Some nice shots. Marnie. I like how you shot the shootet:-)

Dave

Re: any further comments on the FA 28-105/3.2-4.5 AL IF ?

[Stan Halpin]

From my personal archive of comments that haven't made it to the 
website yet, I could only find the following from Paul Senquist last 
summer:

I'm very happy with the FA 28-105, although I have very little 
experience with autofocus zooms. It's become my favorite walkaround 
lens with the *ist-D. The range is near perfect for most of what I 
shoot on a just-for-fun photo walk. I can't fault the sharpeness, 
although I rarely use it wide open. I've made 12 x18 prints that are 
very sharp to my eye from exposures made at f8. Sometimes I combine it 
with a 17-35 Sigma if I want more coverage at the wide end.

Stan
On Mar 19, 2005, at 12:57 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
Comments on Stan's Pentax site are limited on this lens, I'd like to 
know more about it.

I'm enjoying the mixture of F series modest-aperture zooms and faster 
A series primes. :-)

Godfrey

Re: PESO - NorCal: Carmen by the Lake

[brooksdj]

hi this is dave's wife{the war room }  i liked the shadow   behide the young 
girl. i was
at the
farmers market in l.a,  and saw many photo ops but dave was up in the GWN
but cal is
just great .

elizabeth brooks

(sorry folk, the SO wanted to comment:-)

Dave

>  
http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/norcal/carmen.html
> 
> Gotta work on focusing accuracy with that istD  
> 
> This was, I believe, with the K85/1.8, aperture @ 5.6
> 
> 

Re: Paw: Trumpeter Swans for Markus

[Bruce Dayton]

Dave,

This one, I like.  I like the basic white out background - makes it
look nice and snowy.  I like the subtle change in white between the
swan and the surroundings.  I like the swan being off center and on
one foot.  Nice shot!

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Saturday, March 19, 2005, 4:18:54 AM, you wrote:

bcin> Hummm. I see Paul S. and Markus's comments in the
bcin> archives but not on the email.

bcin> Oh well,thanks Paul and Markus for the comments.

bcin> Oh and here is the Swan shot.:-)

bcin>  http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/swansong.jpg   

bcin> Comments welcome. I'll take negative AND positive comments. 

bcin> BTW dressage tape out of the way, AC adaptor bought,
bcin> looked at the Sigma 500 super flash
bcin> AND the DA
bcin> 16-45(nice). Now to get Sundays horse show out of the way.:-)

bcin> Dave(sent in his PUG just now)Brooks  

Re: All of Pentax Japan 35mm lenses

[Jim Apilado]

Thanks for the list.  If I ever get one of the Pentax dslrs,  this list will
be ideal for deciding what lenses I might want.

Jim A.

> From: Powell Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:36:12 -0800
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: All of Pentax Japan 35mm lenses
> Resent-From: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:33:34 -0500
> 
> 
> From Pentax Japan's Japanese site - Babelfish translation.
> 
> Japanese Yen = 0.009551 US Dollar
> US Dollar = 104.700 Japanese Yen
> 
> View the list using a fixed width font.
> 
> Powell
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Last Update : 2005/3/18
> 
> Focal length - brightness   Diameter Length  MassRetail price
> 
> Wide angular zoom lens
> 
> FAJ 18mm F4 - 35mm F5.6 AL NEW!7268.5   190  Open price
> FA  20 - 35mm F4 AL69.5  68 245  79,000 Yen
> 
> Standard zoom lens
> 
> FA  24mm F3.5 - 90mm F4.5 AL [IF]  7274.5   355  59,000 Yen
> FA  28mm - 70mm F2.8 AL84.5 104 800 165,000 Yen
> FAJ 28mm F3.5 - 80mm 5.6 AL6367 180  22,000 Yen
> FA  28mm F3.5 - 90mm F5.6  66.5  67.5   195  26,000 Yen
> FA  28mm F3.2 - 105mm F4.5 AL [IF] 6665.5   255  48,000 Yen
> FA  28mm F4 - 105mm F5.6 [IF]  7274 305  45,000 Yen
> FA  28mm F4 - 105mm F5.6   72.5  95.5   515  59,000 Yen
> A   35mm F4 - 80 mm F5.6   6558 185  23,000 Yen
> 
> Telephoto zoom lens
> 
> FAJ 75mm F4.5 - 300mm 5.8 AL   69   116 385  33,000 Yen
> FA  80mm - 200mm F2.8 ED [IF]  87.5 191.5 1,650 210,000 Yen
> A   80mm F4.7 - 200mm F5.6 6599.5   295  27,000 Yen
> FA  80mm F4.5 - 320mm F5.6 74.5 129 550  45,000 Yen
> Reflex zoom 400mm F8 - 600mm F12   82   108 730 155,000 Yen
> 
> Wide angle lens 
> 
> A   15mm F3.5  8081.5   595 150,500 Yen
> FA  20mm F2.8  7044 255  75,000 Yen
> A   20mm F2.8  7043.5   245  82,000 Yen
> FA  24mm F2 AL [IF]72.5  65.5   405  77,000 Yen
> FA  28mm F2.8 AL   6540.5   185  36,000 Yen
> FA  31mm F1.8 AL Limited   6568.5   345 127,000-130,000 Yen
> FA  35mm F2 AL 6444.5   195  43,000 Yen
> 
> Standard lens
> 
> FA  43mm F1.9 Limited  6427 155  69,500-72,500 Yen
> A   50mm F1.2  64.5  47.5   345  76,000 Yen
> FA  50mm F1.4  6537 220  33,000 Yen
> 
> Telelens
> 
> FA  77mm F1.8 Limited  6448 270  97,000-100,000 Yen
> FA  85mm F1.4 ED [IF]  7970 550  98,000 Yen
> FA  135mm F2.8 [IF]6580 375  55,000 Yen
> FA  200mm F2.8 ED [IF] 82.5 134 785 140,000 Yen
> A   200mm F2.8 ED  91   137.5   850 138,000 Yen
> FA  300mm F2.8 ED [IF]123   247   2,500 530,000 Yen
> FA  300mm F4.5 ED [IF] 72.5 160 935 145,000 Yen
> 
> Super telelens 
> 
> FA  400mm F5.6 ED [IF] 83   199   1,140 200,000 Yen
> 500mm F4.5126.5 440   3,370 232,000 Yen
> FA  600mm F4ED [IF]   176   456.5 7,000   1,000,000 Yen
> A   600mm F5.6 ED [IF]133   386   3,280 590,000 Yen
> Reflex 1000mm F11 119   248   2,300 279,000 Yen
> A   1200mm F8 ED [IF] 170   684   8,580   1,130,000 Yen
> M reflex 2000mm F13.5 180   530   8,000 920,000 Yen
> 
> Macro lens
> 
> DFA 50mm F2.8 NEW! 67.5  60 265  Open price
> DFA 100mm F2.8 NEW!67.5  80.5   345  Open price
> FA  50mm F2.8  6870 385  58,000 Yen
> FA  100mm F2.8 74   103.5   600  80,000 Yen
> FA  100mm F3.5 6871.5   220  37,000 Yen
> FA  200mm F4ED [IF]75.5 191.5 1,080 230,000 Yen
> Bellows 100mm F4   6040 185  21,000 Yen
> 
> Special lens
> 
> FA soft 28mm F2.8  65.5  40.5   195  49,000 Yen
> FA soft 85mm F2.8  6660 305  65,000 Yen
> Shift 28mm F3.58092.5   610 129,500 Yen
> A fish eye 16mm F2.8   6556 320  97,500 Yen
> F fisheye zoom 17mm F3.5-28mm F4.5 6561 255  62,000 Yen
> 
> Adapter lens
> 
> A 1.4X-S   64.5  21.5   145  31,000 Yen
> A 2X-S 64.5  39 210  40,000 Yen
> A 1.4X-L   65.5  28.5   175  42,000 Yen
> A 2X-L 65.5  63 255  55,000 Yen
> F AF adapter 1.7X  6426 135  27,000 Yen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Listed as Digital Lenses
> 

Re: PAW: Lee and Tim, Blowing

[John Forbes]

Sorry if I got my facts slightly wrong, Frank.  There were so many  
responses/versions I rather lost track.

But, hell, why let the facts get in the way of a good discussion?
John
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:42:24 -0500, frank theriault  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:56:19 -, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 He [frank] was (politely) taken to task by Bob W (I think) for  
having a
rather prominent sign in the picture (and a speck!).  Both were
unnecessary to the picture, and were toned down or removed in later
versions.  So I would agree that Frank doesn't always notice things that
other people might notice, and that removing these inessential elements
improved that particular picture without fundamentally changing it.  

Well, this has certainly turned into an interesting thread behind my
back!  Well, not behind my back, but I went to bed last night with one
or two comments on this pic (plus a brief off-list convo with Shel),
and haven't been on-line since.  Log on this evening, and I see this
very interesting discussion!  
I want to look over the posts in more detail, but I did want to
comment on the above parargraph, just so I don't forget:
First of all, I did certainly notice the great big sign.  It was hard
even for me to miss .  I took the sign out, very clumsily (on
purpose) for humour.  Someone off-list sent me a version in which they
quite expertly cloned out the sign, and I must say, it looked great -
very seemless, and one would never know that a sign had ever been
there.
But, I'd never show the pic that way.  It's just not what I do.
Just as I really liked Shel's second rework of the photo that spawned
this thread (the one with both players in it).  I told him that.  It
may even be better or more compelling than my original version.  But
I'd never use it, and would never do that to a photo myself.
I have no problems with people working their own photos that way.
But, for me, it would be a dishonest photo.  What's in the frame when
I take the photo is what stays in the photo.
I'll crop rarely, if absolutely necessary.  I'll allow my lab guy to
dodge and burn and I'll do the PS equivalent.  But that's it.  Nothing
more.
If a photo will look better by doing other stuff, well, that's too bad.
One could argue that if I dodge and burn and crop, then it's
inconsistent not to consider other manipulations.  That may be so, but
I won't do it.  I don't have to be logical, or justify my photo
philosophy to anyone, it's just the way I choose to do it.
This isn't meant to take you to task, John, or to disagree with
anything you said, I'm just explaining why certain things are the way
they are.
Now to look over the rest of the thread with more of a critical eye,
and likely comment a bit more .
cheers,
frank


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RE: PAW: Lee and Tim, Blowing

[brooksdj]

> Well, thanks ... but as was pointed 
out in another message, it doesn't
tell
> the whole story that I think Frank was trying to convey (F and I were
> talking off list).  However, I did another fiddle last night that I sent to
> Frank directly as it was late and I was tired and cranky, and didn't feel
> like uploading it.  In that one I brought down the tone of the horn
> player's sweater (which, IMO, was a real distraction), cropped  the shot
> tightly but kept the guitar player in the  frame, got rid of the background
> distraction, and fiddled with the skin tomes.  It was a crummy Photoshop
> job - real quick just to get a sense of what was possible and to share an
> idea or two with Frank.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/frankpic2.html
> 
> There are certainly many ways to interpret a scene.
> 
> Shel 
Frank.
I have just read through 1-2 of the comments on this photo you are presenting 
for a Paw. I
like the
concept but, and i'm no back alley, or pro bar shooter by any means(yet)but 
i think
Shel has a
good rendition of your shot in the above link.
I'm just going on the 4-5 times i have shot my friends, the Nuraw Blooze in 
clubs. Grainy
B&W film
and existing light were made for jazz and blues. They insist i shoot them in 
colour, but,
i alsways
get some good B&W which BTW they love when they see them.

Hopefully no hard feelings,but the original, to me, just did not portray the 
"feel" of the
club.

Not having read all the threads(i have 1200 i'm going over now), was this flash 
 or just
well lit.

Dave

Re: Weekend WTB. ;)

[frank theriault]

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:11:48 -0800, David Oswald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I hope that a WTB post isn't against the list's charter.  If so, I
> apologize.


I just went to the fire-proof air-tight vault in my basement, the one
with 12 inch stainless steel walls encased in 3 feet of reinforced
concrete.  I dialed in the 15 number combination that only Jostein,
Doug the List Guy and I know.  If one gets the combination wrong more
than twice in succession, tear gas is emitted by this vault.  Prior to
dialing the combination, I put on my hazmat suit (so as not to
contaminate anything with my bodily oils, secretions, scents, vapours,
etc.), and very carefully removed the Sacred PDML Charter from said
vault.

Upon referring to the Charter, I can state unequivocally that the
issue of WTB is a lacuna.

Therefore, you may at this time, and in the future, legally make such
posts (unless the Charter is amended, at which time you'll all be
notified by on-list post, separate e-mail, and registered snail-mail).

Just so's ya know...



cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Paw: Trumpeter Swans for Markus

[brooksdj]

Hummm. I see Paul S. and Markus's comments in the archives but not on the 
email.

Oh well,thanks Paul and Markus for the comments.

Oh and here is the Swan shot.:-)

 http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/swansong.jpg 

Comments welcome. I'll take negative AND positive comments. 

BTW dressage tape out of the way, AC adaptor bought, looked at the Sigma 500 
super flash
AND the DA
16-45(nice). Now to get Sundays horse show out of the way.:-)

Dave(sent in his PUG just now)Brooks

Re: More DA Limiteds

[Rob Studdert]

On 19 Mar 2005 at 19:34, Peter J. Alling wrote:

> I prefer to go the other way, a nice 1.3 crop 9-12mp body would make my 
> LTD 43mm an nice ~55mm equivalent. 
> (If we're asking for things we won't get that is).

Yes, well ultimately my preference would also to be able to fit my existing 
lenses (which I loved on 35mm film bodies) on to a body with a decent sized 
sensor :-(


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

PESO: The Wall

[Peter Lacus]

Since no gallery from Berlin could be considered complete without 
depicting the (in)famous wall itself, here is a companion to my previous 
PESO:

http://www.misenet.sk/Berlin/wall.html
Bedo.

Re: PESO: The splendour and the misery of Berlin

[frank theriault]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 00:12:38 +, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 20/3/05, Peter Lacus, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >http://www.misenet.sk/Berlin/
> >
> >Bedo.
> 
> Bedo, half of all photography is not photographing at all.
> 
> a...n...t..i..c..i...p...a...t..i..o..n
> 
> Let the passers by do some passing by ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty

I disagree.  (sorry to critique a critique, but I know Cotty will take
it in the spirit intended ).

I think the passersby looking at the unfortunate lady are an important
part of the photo.

Commenting on the photo in and of itself, my problem with it is that
the woman sort of gets lost down there in the corner.  I know you
wanted to get the majestic statues in there to contrast the old lady,
but I think in doing that she sort of gets lost.

I was going to say, "if I were taking the photo..." and then give some
advice, but I'm not taking the photo, and really, to be fair, I should
only comment on what's being presented. 

So, I think that the photo as is, is still a good one;  it's a good
idea, to be sure.  But I think it ~could~ be a lot stronger, if done
just a bit differently.

BTW, the comment Bill made about Caveman, refers to a former lister
(he'll be back, we all know it ) who really didn't like photos of
so called "street people" at all.  He railed against them every time
one was posted, and IIRC, the last time he took leave of this list was
after a flame war WRT an apparently homeless person.

That being said, I think you handled the sticky issue of photographing
the less fortunate well, here.  We can't see her face, and you really
are trying to make a statement here, not just exploit her, IMHO.  I
think it's a sensitive photo.

cheers,
frank

-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO: Candles in the studio

[pnstenquist]

Thanks Scott. That's the kind of feeback I was hoping for.
Paul


> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:12:45 -0500, Paul Stenquist
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I photographed some candles this afternoon. They were shot with the SMC
> > Pentax 135/2.5 on the *istD. I decided to try this two ways. Once with
> > a lot of depth of field and consistently sharp images, the other with
> > very limited depth of field and diminishing sharpness. One is at f22,
> > 20 seconds, the other is at f2.5, .3 second. Two studio flashes. One
> > firing off the ceiling , the other into an umbrella. 3/4 power for the
> > f22 shot, 1/16th power for the f2.5 shot.
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3210253&size=lg
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3210251&size=lg
> I definitely prefer the shot at f2.5.  I find the sharply focused
> foreground and blurred background aesthetically appealing.  The other
> shot, at f22, also looks to be very well done.  My personal preference
> simply runs to "Candles" as opposed to "Candles II".
> 
> -- 
> Scott Loveless
> http://www.twosixteen.com
> 

Re: PESO - On the bridge

[frank theriault]

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:26:25 -0500, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> OK - I hear you.  Shel made much of the same sort of observation.
> So I've radically cropped the picture to isolate my favourite part.
> Here's the result:
> 
> 
> 
> It's still not a great shot, but I think that this is much better.
> This stuff with people in it is hard!  :-)
> 
> (I tried Shel's suggestion of B&W, but I don't like it as much).

That crop makes a world of difference, IMHO.  The inclusion of the
girl on the right (looking the other way from the two on the left) is
a really good idea.

A lovely tender moment between the man and the girl, but the one on
the right adds just a bit of tension to the scene.  Maybe tension's
not the right word, but she makes it interesting, none the less.

A much, much stronger image, this time 'round.

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO: Candles in the studio

[Scott Loveless]

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:12:45 -0500, Paul Stenquist
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I photographed some candles this afternoon. They were shot with the SMC
> Pentax 135/2.5 on the *istD. I decided to try this two ways. Once with
> a lot of depth of field and consistently sharp images, the other with
> very limited depth of field and diminishing sharpness. One is at f22,
> 20 seconds, the other is at f2.5, .3 second. Two studio flashes. One
> firing off the ceiling , the other into an umbrella. 3/4 power for the
> f22 shot, 1/16th power for the f2.5 shot.
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3210253&size=lg
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3210251&size=lg
I definitely prefer the shot at f2.5.  I find the sharply focused
foreground and blurred background aesthetically appealing.  The other
shot, at f22, also looks to be very well done.  My personal preference
simply runs to "Candles" as opposed to "Candles II".

-- 
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

Re: PAW: Lee and Tim, Blowing

[frank theriault]

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:56:19 -, John Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 He [frank] was (politely) taken to task by Bob W (I think) for having a
> rather prominent sign in the picture (and a speck!).  Both were
> unnecessary to the picture, and were toned down or removed in later
> versions.  So I would agree that Frank doesn't always notice things that
> other people might notice, and that removing these inessential elements
> improved that particular picture without fundamentally changing it. 

Well, this has certainly turned into an interesting thread behind my
back!  Well, not behind my back, but I went to bed last night with one
or two comments on this pic (plus a brief off-list convo with Shel),
and haven't been on-line since.  Log on this evening, and I see this
very interesting discussion!  

I want to look over the posts in more detail, but I did want to
comment on the above parargraph, just so I don't forget:

First of all, I did certainly notice the great big sign.  It was hard
even for me to miss .  I took the sign out, very clumsily (on
purpose) for humour.  Someone off-list sent me a version in which they
quite expertly cloned out the sign, and I must say, it looked great -
very seemless, and one would never know that a sign had ever been
there.

But, I'd never show the pic that way.  It's just not what I do.  

Just as I really liked Shel's second rework of the photo that spawned
this thread (the one with both players in it).  I told him that.  It
may even be better or more compelling than my original version.  But
I'd never use it, and would never do that to a photo myself.

I have no problems with people working their own photos that way. 
But, for me, it would be a dishonest photo.  What's in the frame when
I take the photo is what stays in the photo.

I'll crop rarely, if absolutely necessary.  I'll allow my lab guy to
dodge and burn and I'll do the PS equivalent.  But that's it.  Nothing
more.

If a photo will look better by doing other stuff, well, that's too bad.  

One could argue that if I dodge and burn and crop, then it's
inconsistent not to consider other manipulations.  That may be so, but
I won't do it.  I don't have to be logical, or justify my photo
philosophy to anyone, it's just the way I choose to do it.

This isn't meant to take you to task, John, or to disagree with
anything you said, I'm just explaining why certain things are the way
they are.

Now to look over the rest of the thread with more of a critical eye,
and likely comment a bit more .

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: More DA Limiteds

[Herb Chong]

well, i would like an ordinary 24 limited to replace the FA* 24/2. can we 
compromise on 25?

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: More DA Limiteds


I love mine but it's still a tad too narrow on the *ist D, its weight and 
size
I can live with but a nice fast compact DA26/2 LTD would be just about 
perfect
as a normal.

Re: More DA Limiteds

[Peter J. Alling]

I prefer to go the other way, a nice 1.3 crop 9-12mp body would make my 
LTD 43mm an nice ~55mm equivalent. 
(If we're asking for things we won't get that is).

Rob Studdert wrote:
On 19 Mar 2005 at 11:53, William Robb wrote:
 

Have you tried the 31?
It's big and heavy, but is an excellent lens.
   

I love mine but it's still a tad too narrow on the *ist D, its weight and size 
I can live with but a nice fast compact DA26/2 LTD would be just about perfect 
as a normal.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
 


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

New email address

[William Robb]

Hi, I have made a slight change to my email address, in an effort to remove 
myself from some of the offers that make me feel as if I am not manly 
enough.
Kindly update your address book to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks
Bill

Re: PESO: The splendour and the misery of Berlin

[Cotty]

On 20/3/05, Peter Lacus, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://www.misenet.sk/Berlin/
>
>Bedo.

Bedo, half of all photography is not photographing at all.

a...n...t..i..c..i...p...a...t..i..o..n 

Let the passers by do some passing by ;-)






Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: More DA Limiteds

[David Nelson]

Rob Studdert wrote:
nice fast compact DA26/2 LTD would be just about perfect 
as a normal.
Don't forget to add a few more specifications - as well as fast and 
compact, let's ask for CHEAP, light, well built, sharp, contrasty and no 
bokehmonsters... q-:
Unfortunately I can just see a very nice lens being released that's out 
of my price range. Luckily I don't own any LTDs yet so I'm not in love 
with / addicted to them like you suckers (-:
So Rob, have you changed your policy on ever buying a DA lens?

Cheers,
David

Re: All of Pentax Japan 35mm lenses

[Powell Hargrave]

At 03:47 PM 19/03/2005 , Joe wrote:
>
>Trouble is, you have to go to Japan to get some of these. I called B&H 
>to tell them that the FA 300 f4.5 was still listed on Pentax Japan's web 
>site, and to ask if they could get me one. The guy I talked with said 
>that since Pentax USA doesn't list it, they can't get it.


If you can't buy from Pentax Japan I am sure there are retailers in Japan
that would be glad to send you one.

There was a guy in California a few years ago who ran a service buying
products from Japan.  I nearly bought a camera through him.  The price was
good, but decided to pass due to warrantee limitations.  Lenses should be
more reliable I think so warrantee might not be as much of a concern.

Powell

Another test. Do not read

[William Robb]

failed again

Re: PESO: The splendour and the misery of Berlin

[Peter J. Alling]

You had to be there...
Peter Lacus wrote:
William Robb wrote:
Good thing Caveboy seems to have left the list

May I ask you why, William? Seems I don't getting the picture once 
again. :-(

Bedo.


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: PESO October Roses featuring the url

[Paul Stenquist]

I find the color shot quite attractive. Very nice. The BW doesn't do 
much for me.
Paul
On Mar 19, 2005, at 6:03 PM, Peter Lacus wrote:

David,
Photoshop processing:
Noise ninja, Nik Color Effects brilliance/warmth, Highpass filter 
sharpening, converted to black and white using some process I found 
online a while back, burned in some of the pedals, and added film 
grain.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/6767390/
after further PS processing:
http://www.misenet.sk/other/roses.html
Explanation: at least on my display, there's too little contrast 
between the leftmost flower and the background so I did some more 
burning there. And well, roses are red, aren't they? ;-)

Bedo.

Re: PESO: The splendour and the misery of Berlin

[Paul Stenquist]

Nice shot, well composed. It presents an interesting juxtaposition. 
Placing the figure in the lower left underscores the concept. Good 
work.
Paul
On Mar 19, 2005, at 6:17 PM, Peter Lacus wrote:

http://www.misenet.sk/Berlin/
Bedo.

Re: More DA Limiteds

[Rob Studdert]

On 19 Mar 2005 at 11:53, William Robb wrote:

> Have you tried the 31?
> It's big and heavy, but is an excellent lens.

I love mine but it's still a tad too narrow on the *ist D, its weight and size 
I can live with but a nice fast compact DA26/2 LTD would be just about perfect 
as a normal.


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Re: Rebel XT vs *ist D.

[Rob Studdert]

On 19 Mar 2005 at 11:53, Christian wrote:

> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA (sorry, couldn't type without busting out laughing)

Apparently it's therapeutic (I don't mean waiting for Pentax) LOL


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Re: PAW: Lee and Tim, Blowing

[John Forbes]

My comments interspersed:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:13:40 -0800, Shel Belinkoff  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

While I tend to agree with you, there are a few points that may merit  
more
discussion.

First, as to my Photoshop skills - they really are rudimentary.  To call
them "superior" in any way surprises me, although I have to admit feeling
OK about it ;-))  Oh, I don't see presenting your interpretation as
competition.  Frankly, I was hoping to see what you had to offer and to
learn something from it.
Only those who know much, know how little they know.
More interesting to me is framing and cropping.  Let's use Frank's work  
and
my work as examples, only because we (the list in general) are familiar
with them.  Frank has often said that he doesn't crop.  He's also said  
that
he often doesn't notice certain elements in his photos until he's viewing
contact sheets or prints.  It's likely that he frequently ends up with
elements in his photos that, had he seen them when looking through the
finder, may not have been included in the image.  He's also said that  
he's
included elements in his photos that he knew were inappropriate for any
number of reasons, such as being in a hurry, using a wider lens than
necessary for the shot, and so on.  Does removing or reducing those
unneeded and unwanted elements really change what was originally seen as
the photo?  I think not, because they weren't supposed to be there in the
first place, so getting rid of them by cropping, burning, dodging, or any
other means would bring the image closer to what was intended, closer to
the photographers original vision.
Recently Frank posted an excellent picture of a woman walking in the  
snow.  He was (politely) taken to task by Bob W (I think) for having a  
rather prominent sign in the picture (and a speck!).  Both were  
unnecessary to the picture, and were toned down or removed in later  
versions.  So I would agree that Frank doesn't always notice things that  
other people might notice, and that removing these inessential elements  
improved that particular picture without fundamentally changing it.

In the present case, your cropping was pretty radical, and to my mind  
changed the picture completely, thereby creating a new picture, rather  
than improving the original.  You clearly had a view of the picture that  
was very different from mine, and elements of the picture which I  
considered essential were, for you, simply extraneous.

OTOH, I crop a lot.  Most all my photos are presented in a 5x7 format
although I shoot 35mm format.  But I crop because that's how I most often
see the world through the viewfinder.  I wear glasses, generally don't  
see the full frame (except when using certain lenses on certain Leicas)  
often
shoot quickly, and what I usually end up framing through the finder fits
closer to the 5x7 format than the 35mm format.  So I crop the final
results, but I'm not cropping what I saw and how the final photograph was
envisioned.
I crop a lot, too (though that's hardly a recommendation).  It's allowed  
if you use prime lenses!

So, the question then is this: in the situations described, is cropping
really changing the intended image, or does cropping bring the image to
where it was intended to be as seen at the time by the photographer?
It all depends.  You and I have different views of what Frank intended  
(and since you've spoken to him, you will have a better idea than I do).   
If Frank intended what you produced, then that's fine.  If not, then  
you've made a new picture.  It may be a good picture, but it's not Frank's  
picture.

I don't think you can make a blanket statement that cropping changes the
image (speaking only of the photographers original vision) even though it
may change what has been caught on the film or the sensor.  I also think,
depending on a number of variables, that enhancing an image in Photoshop
can change it more than cropping.
If cropping amounts to no more than removing what is superfluous, then I  
agree. As long as we can all agree on what is superfluous.  I also agree  
that PS can be used to change an image totally.

As for "De gustibus non disputandum est," I cannot comment, for I am
ignorant of the meaning.
It means "matters of taste cannot be argued with".  But they can certainly  
be discussed!  I meant that neither your view nor my view can be called  
wrong.  They're just different views.

John

Shel

[Original Message]
From: John Forbes

I actually liked Frank's original framing of this picture, and wouldn't
wish to change it.  It works for me.  I think that you, with your
superior
Photoshop skills, are able to do a lot to improve the "presentation" of
the image (if that's a suitable word) to produce an excellent final
"print".  I can't compete with you on this, and wouldn't dream of  
trying.

I also think that with your tight cropping you have in both cases
produced
a punchy image which grabs the attention.  I like both.  However, I  
think

that when you 

test, do not read.

[William Robb]

You failed

Re: DNG vs PEF

[Rob Studdert]

On 19 Mar 2005 at 10:12, Fred Widall wrote:

> Is the loss of some metadata worth a 40% reduction in storage costs ?
> Well I guess that's a decision each of us will make for ourselves.
> I think it is, but I'm still using CDR rather than DVD for my archiving.

I'm not pleased that Pentax botched up the RAW file compression but I do employ 
DVD for archiving which makes it far less painful. As a side benefit, media is 
less costly per MB storage, it's faster to write/verify, disc usage is cut by a 
factor of approximately 7:1 and storage space is reduced. I think you'd 
appreciate a DVD recorder as you next enablement. Leave DNG alone for the 
moment, it's still in its developmental stage really, it's only going to become 
truly relevant when the first digicam saves RAW files as native DNG.

Cheers,


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Re: PESO: The splendour and the misery of Berlin

[Peter Lacus]

William Robb wrote:
Good thing Caveboy seems to have left the list
May I ask you why, William? Seems I don't getting the picture once 
again. :-(

Bedo.

Re: All of Pentax Japan 35mm lenses

[Joseph Tainter]

Trouble is, you have to go to Japan to get some of these. I called B&H 
to tell them that the FA 300 f4.5 was still listed on Pentax Japan's web 
site, and to ask if they could get me one. The guy I talked with said 
that since Pentax USA doesn't list it, they can't get it.

Joe