Re: raw therapee for linux

[Jostein Øksne]

Been away from Linux for very long.

Are there any 16-bit image editors for Linux yet? I remember this was
one of the main features absent from GIMP back when.

Jostein

On 10/19/06, SJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hi,
>
> for those of you on linux, raw therapee-1.1-pre5 is available for linux
> (http://www.rawtherapee.com/download.html). no sources, only binary,
> but seems much much better than what has so far been available.
>
> of course, there is also a windows version there..
>
> regards, subash
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Re: PESO - Valley morning fog

[Jostein Øksne]

No, I haven't considered any crops. I wanted the sunlit bit in for the spark.
After considering Godfrey's comments, I think it balances the blue in
the valley fog.

Jostein

On 10/19/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 18/10/06, Jostein Øksne, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >http://www.oksne.net/paw/garmo.html
> >
> >Thanks for looking.
>
> Hi mate, I'll bet you tried a crop without the sunlit trees - no good?
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Re: PESO - Valley morning fog

[Jostein Øksne]

I have an issue with the blueness too, Godfrey. After some
consideration I left it in since it is more or less real. The sky
overhead was totally cloudless, and I expect the clouds took colour
from it. High humidity in the air may have contributed too. I remember
watching sunrise over the Blue Ridge Mountains at GFM in 2004. Very
revealing...:-)

That said, I will certainly look into your suggestion after work
today. Would be nice to mute the blues a bit.

Thanks,
Jostein

On 10/19/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Quite a nice scene, but on my screen it's drowned in blues. The
> shadows in the middle ground and top go blue rather than black, the
> fog is all blue. Was the scene really this blue to your eyes?
>
>  A curves adjustment layer and a bit of masking would correct it
> very nicely while leaving the essential color balance alone, I think.
>
> Godfrey
>
> On Oct 18, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Jostein Øksne wrote:
>
> > http://www.oksne.net/paw/garmo.html
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RE: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux

[J. C. O'Connell]

Ok, Whatever. When your operating manually like that, I just
Call it manual or bracketing, not "instant" exposure compensation.
jco

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P. J. Alling
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:13 AM
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Subject: Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux

As opposed to pressing a button and turning a wheel.

J. C. O'Connell wrote:

>I guess the terms are unclear, by saying "instant" it seems
>To imply compensation for the new aperture setting rather
>Than bracketing or metering compensation. Why use "instant"
>In that context?
>jco
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>Bob W
>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:06 PM
>To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
>Subject: RE: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
>
>That's why it's exposure compensation, and not a changed exposure. If
>you take the original reading at 5.6 then change the aperture to 2.8
>without Gbing again, and without the light changing, you will
>overexpose (or compensate) by 2 stops, which is what Peter wrote. 
>
>However, if you take the original reading and the light changes before
>you take the picture, the camera can take the changed light into
>account and vary the shutter speed or iso when you make the exposure
>because it knows the difference between the original wide-open
>reading, the immediate pre-exposure reading, and the original
>stopped-down reading.
>
>--
>Cheers,
> Bob 
>
>  
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>>Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell
>>Sent: 17 October 2006 19:25
>>To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
>>Subject: RE: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
>>
>>Sir, You wrote quote :
>>
>>
" If you change the aperture you get
instant exposure compensation"


>>I did read it correctly.
>>jco
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>>Behalf Of
>>P. J. Alling
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:23 PM
>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>Subject: Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
>>
>>Huh, didn't you actually read what I wrote?  You don't change the 
>>aperture between shots if you want it to work. The camera 
>>remembers the 
>>difference between wide open and stopped down from the last time you
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>indexed the exposure.  Half pressing shutter wakes up the meter the 
>>camera takes that reading and applies the offset, as if it had an 
>>aperture simulator.  If you change aperture you have to re-index by 
>>pressing the green button or use the difference between offset and 
>>actual set aperture as an exposure adjustment. 
>>
>>J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Wont work because there is no way the camera knows
>>>You changed the apeture setting unless the aperture
>>>Is stopped down all the time and its not ( that would
>>>Drain the battery if they tried that as it's a solenoid
>>>If I am not mistaken ).
>>>jco
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>>  
>>>
>>On Behalf Of
>>
>>
>>>P. J. Alling
>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:13 PM
>>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>>Subject: Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
>>>
>>>I think you're being too complicated.  How about this.  Call it
>>>  
>>>
>auto 
>  
>
>>>stop down compensation
>>>
>>>1.) Mount a K lens.  Or take an A/F/FA off A position.  The Camera 
>>>automatically senses this.
>>>2.) Set the mode dial to Av, if it's not there already.
>>>3.) Press the green button.
>>>a) The camera takes a meter reading and temporally records it.
>>>b) The lens stops down to taking aperture and makes a reading 
>>>subtracting the EV value from the temporally stored value.
>>> The camera now knows the difference between 
>>>  
>>>
>>wide open and
>>
>>
>>
>>>the current F stop set on the lens. 
>>>
>>>Now every time you take an exposure the camera calculates the
>>>  
>>>
>proper 
>  
>
>>>exposure based on that offset. (It and also display an 
>>>  
>>>
>>estimate of over
>>
>>
>>
>>>or under exposure in the viewfinder).
>>>
>>>No extra dials or buttons to press.  If you change the 
>>>  
>>>
>>aperture you get
>>
>>
>>
>>>instant exposure compensation. 
>>>
>>>If you change aperture and don't want exposure compensation 
>>>  
>>>
>>press the 
>>
>>
>>>green button again. 
>>>
>>>Make this type of operation a menu item in the custom menu with a 
>>>default to the Av behavior.
>>>
>>>Basically an aperture simulator for Av all done in software.
>>>
>>>The only problem is that you might run out metering range, 
>>>  
>>>
>>but that's 
>>
>>
>>>true of using the green button Kludge now anyway.
>>>
>>>Cory Papenfuss wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>  Of course it's academic since it's not an option with the
>>   
>>
>> 

raw therapee for linux

[SJ]

hi,

for those of you on linux, raw therapee-1.1-pre5 is available for linux
(http://www.rawtherapee.com/download.html). no sources, only binary,
but seems much much better than what has so far been available. 

of course, there is also a windows version there..

regards, subash

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Re: File size of scanned 6x7 neg

[Digital Image Studio]

On 19/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've got a mate telling me a high res drum scan of a 6x7 neg would only be 
> 10MB in
> TIFF format.  Surely it would be in the hundreds of MB neighbourhood wouldn't 
> it?

It's easy enough to work out, the official frame size for the P67 is
55mm x 70mm so if scanned at

4000dpi (Nikon LS-8000-9000) it would be 55*4000/25.4 x 70*4000/25.4 =
95,480,191 pixels. So file size for an 8 bit file would be 3*
95,480,191 = 286,440,573 bytes or 273 MB for an uncompressed tiff


6400dpi (Epson V700) it would be 55*6400/25.4 x 70*6400/25.4 =
244,429,289 pixels. So file size for an 16 bit file would be 6*
244,429,289 = 1,466,575,733 bytes or 1.36 GB MB for an uncompressed
tiff

So unless the drum scan is pretty lame I guess he's incorrect.

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RE: BSI - film speed system etc

[Jens Bladt]

Thanks, Bob. I have now changed my description. An  Agifold will normally go
for 20-30 GB.
I haven't done any shootig with it yet. But I will. I'd like to have a 6x6
folder in my 35mm camera back for  just in case. I have been bidding for a
Ensign 820 and 1220 (6x9 ans 645) - but these are quite expensive ...
Jens Bladt
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+45 23 43 85 77
Skype: jensbladt248

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Til: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
Emne: RE: BSI - film speed system etc


BSI and ASA apparently used the same numbering system, according to
this web page:
http://www.photographytips.com/page.cfm/1591

BSI was obviously superior in all other respects, of course.

That looks like a nice camera. I'd like one of those sometime.

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> Subject: OT: BSI - film speed system etc
>
> Is this fairly the same as ASA/ISO?
> I recently got this 1955 Agifold camera. The extinction
> meter/calculator has
> SCH (Scheiner-Grad) and BSI (Brittish Standard Institute)
> film speed scale.
> I wonder if BSI is equal to ASA?
> Please take a look:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/273145251/
>
> Does anyone here have experiences with Ensign 820 (6x9) or
> Ensign Autorange/
> Ensifn 16-20  (645), please?
> Thanx
> Regards
>
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Re: File size of scanned 6x7 neg

[Ryan Brooks]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've got a mate telling me a high res drum scan of a 6x7 neg would only be 
> 10MB in 
> TIFF format.  Surely it would be in the hundreds of MB neighbourhood wouldn't 
> it?
>
>   
Yes.

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RE: PESO - The Eye of the Tiger

[David Savage]

Depends on how much you think 10-15 minutes of work is worth.

It's quite fixable. But I've always had a fascination with tigers, so I 
quite like the shot.

Dave


At 01:10 PM 19/10/2006, you wrote:
>Toss it ... it's not a very strong pic to begin with, Bruce.  The amount of
>work involved to save it isn't worth it.
>
>Shel
>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Bruce Dayton
>
>
> > I would appreciate any suggestions with this one.  There is some
> > shredded paper in the lower left corner that would be very difficult
> > to clone out.  One option is to crop it somehow to remove most or all
> > of it - without weakening the picture or the other option is to toss
> > the image.  Thoughts?
>
> > http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/sfzoo_0248.htm


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File size of scanned 6x7 neg

[jkmess]

I've got a mate telling me a high res drum scan of a 6x7 neg would only be 10MB 
in 
TIFF format.  Surely it would be in the hundreds of MB neighbourhood wouldn't 
it?

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Re: Black "thingy"

[graywolf]

Have you thought about RTFM? Sometimes that does help .

Bill Owens wrote:
> Tom,
> 
> The long side of this thing is about the same length and the wide end makes
> it about the right size for a PCMCIA slot.  However, inside the computer
> there are contacts only where the long side fits, and I can't figure out
> what's inside the computer where the short end fits.  Guess I'll have to
> wait for next GFM and let the gurus sort it out.
> 
> Bill
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> graywolf
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:11 PM
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> Subject: Re: Black "thingy"
> 
> My Thinkpad has a CF card slot, the filler looks about the same size but 
> is rectangular. There are two other slots a mini-IDE and Modem slot but 
> they are internal. I wonder if what you have is a slot that was 
> originally for a CF but has been "upgraded" to SD in your model. That 
> would kind of explain the L shape of the filler.
> 
> 
> 
> Bill Owens wrote:
>> Here's a photo of that black "thingy" that's in what appears to be a
> PCMCIA
>> slot, but inside the computer, it looks like the only contacts are where
> the
>> long side is.
>>
>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5092710
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
> 

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Re: OT computer help

[graywolf]

I've got one of those 3COM cards with the retractable antenna. Very 
convenient not having to remove it when I put the Thinkpad in its case.

--graywolf


David Mann wrote:
> On Oct 19, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Bob W wrote:
> 
>> I have 2 PCMCIA slots on my Dell. One of them contains a 5 GB hard
>> disk used for backup of Word files and so on, the other contains my
>> wireless modem. Useful little slots.
> 
> We have one slot in our laptop.  I threw a wireless network card into  
> it, as I figured that'd be cheaper than buying the optional internal  
> wireless adaptor from the manufacturer.
> 
> - Dave
> 
> 
> 

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RE: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux

[J. C. O'Connell]

We were talking about two different things, AE vs.
Exposure comp (bracketing).
jco

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
P. J. Alling
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 12:35 AM
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So why do you think it has to be stopped down?

J. C. O'Connell wrote:

>Sir, You wrote quote :
>  
>
>>>" If you change the aperture you get
>>>instant exposure compensation"
>>>  
>>>
>I did read it correctly.
>jco
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>P. J. Alling
>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:23 PM
>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>Subject: Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
>
>Huh, didn't you actually read what I wrote?  You don't change the 
>aperture between shots if you want it to work. The camera remembers the

>difference between wide open and stopped down from the last time you 
>indexed the exposure.  Half pressing shutter wakes up the meter the 
>camera takes that reading and applies the offset, as if it had an 
>aperture simulator.  If you change aperture you have to re-index by 
>pressing the green button or use the difference between offset and 
>actual set aperture as an exposure adjustment. 
>
>J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Wont work because there is no way the camera knows
>>You changed the apeture setting unless the aperture
>>Is stopped down all the time and its not ( that would
>>Drain the battery if they tried that as it's a solenoid
>>If I am not mistaken ).
>>jco
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
>>P. J. Alling
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:13 PM
>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>Subject: Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
>>
>>I think you're being too complicated.  How about this.  Call it auto 
>>stop down compensation
>>
>>1.) Mount a K lens.  Or take an A/F/FA off A position.  The Camera 
>>automatically senses this.
>>2.) Set the mode dial to Av, if it's not there already.
>>3.) Press the green button.
>>a) The camera takes a meter reading and temporally records it.
>>b) The lens stops down to taking aperture and makes a reading 
>>subtracting the EV value from the temporally stored value.
>> The camera now knows the difference between wide open and
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>the current F stop set on the lens. 
>>
>>Now every time you take an exposure the camera calculates the proper 
>>exposure based on that offset. (It and also display an estimate of
over
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>or under exposure in the viewfinder).
>>
>>No extra dials or buttons to press.  If you change the aperture you
get
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>instant exposure compensation. 
>>
>>If you change aperture and don't want exposure compensation press the 
>>green button again. 
>>
>>Make this type of operation a menu item in the custom menu with a 
>>default to the Av behavior.
>>
>>Basically an aperture simulator for Av all done in software.
>>
>>The only problem is that you might run out metering range, but that's 
>>true of using the green button Kludge now anyway.
>>
>>Cory Papenfuss wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>   Of course it's academic since it's not an option with the
>   
>
>  
>
>>current
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>firmware, but I don't think it would be too bad.  The +-EV only
>  
>
>works
>  
>
>within 3 EV from wide open, and even then you have to do the math
of
>   
>
>  
>
>>how
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>many stops you are from wide-open.
>
>
>   
>
>  
>
Or 6 if you calibrate on 3 stops up from open-aperture. I have done 
it, Cory, it's a pain, even without having to go into a menu to 
indicate the aperture.

Kostas

  

 



>>> I still think that's more confusing than what I'm thinking.  The
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>most annoying thing is having to set (somewhere) the maximum aperture
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>of 
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>the lens... I'm thinking a "button+wheel" maneuver in P or Av mode
>>>  
>>>
>when
>  
>
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>you mount up a K/M lens.  Firmware could "blink" the aperture (e.g.
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>'1.4') 
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>to let you know you set it.  After the lens is mounted and max dialed
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>in ,
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>you just have to dial the wheel to match what you've set the lens to.
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>It 
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>saves having to mentally do the math, allows open-aperture metering
>>>  
>>>
>all
>  
>
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>the way to the min aperture of the lens, and doesn't require the "GB 
>>>trick" evertime the lighting changes... only that when you move the 
>>>aperture ring on the lens

Re: Somebody talk me out of it

[P. J. Alling]

Actually they don't.  Both of them are manual diaphragm.

Gonz wrote:

>Dont buy them.  They have aperture simulators, which means they are 
>obsolete.  ;)
>
>rg
>
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
>
>>I'm thinking about buying either a K400/5.6 or a K500/4.5.  Primary
>>use would be 35mm film, but it will certainly be mounted on the K100D
>>from time to time.  Anyone have any input on image quality?  Is either
>>significantly better than the other?  And for my wife's peace of mind,
>>would someone mind talking me out of buying one?  
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>
>  
>


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RE: PESO - The Eye of the Tiger

[Shel Belinkoff]

Toss it ... it's not a very strong pic to begin with, Bruce.  The amount of
work involved to save it isn't worth it.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Bruce Dayton


> I would appreciate any suggestions with this one.  There is some
> shredded paper in the lower left corner that would be very difficult
> to clone out.  One option is to crop it somehow to remove most or all
> of it - without weakening the picture or the other option is to toss
> the image.  Thoughts?

> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/sfzoo_0248.htm



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Re: PESO - Golden Eagle

[P. J. Alling]

I think the birds shoulder is out of the depth of focus.

Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail) wrote:

>Great picture!
>
>Seems that the foreground feathers show some "duplication", like a 
>motion blur, but the sharp spots do not show any (or is it my eyes? ;-) )
>
>Have you experienced such out-of-focus duplication effect elsewhere, or 
>did it move its wing, or something?
>
>Patrice
>
>Bruce Dayton a écrit :
>  
>
>>Taken at the San Francisco Zoo.  Yes, it would be much cooler if I had
>>hiked somewhere to find this, but I like it nonetheless.
>>
>>Pentax *istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX @ 280mm, monopod
>>ISO 400, 1/180 sec @ f/5.6
>>
>>http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/sfzoo_0288a.htm
>>
>>Comments welcome
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>
>
>  
>


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Re: Somebody talk me out of it

[P. J. Alling]

You know you really want both of them go for it.

Scott Loveless wrote:

>I'm thinking about buying either a K400/5.6 or a K500/4.5.  Primary
>use would be 35mm film, but it will certainly be mounted on the K100D
>from time to time.  Anyone have any input on image quality?  Is either
>significantly better than the other?  And for my wife's peace of mind,
>would someone mind talking me out of buying one?  
>
>Thanks!
>
>  
>


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Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux

[P. J. Alling]

As opposed to pressing a button and turning a wheel.

J. C. O'Connell wrote:

>I guess the terms are unclear, by saying "instant" it seems
>To imply compensation for the new aperture setting rather
>Than bracketing or metering compensation. Why use "instant"
>In that context?
>jco
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>Bob W
>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:06 PM
>To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
>Subject: RE: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
>
>That's why it's exposure compensation, and not a changed exposure. If
>you take the original reading at 5.6 then change the aperture to 2.8
>without Gbing again, and without the light changing, you will
>overexpose (or compensate) by 2 stops, which is what Peter wrote. 
>
>However, if you take the original reading and the light changes before
>you take the picture, the camera can take the changed light into
>account and vary the shutter speed or iso when you make the exposure
>because it knows the difference between the original wide-open
>reading, the immediate pre-exposure reading, and the original
>stopped-down reading.
>
>--
>Cheers,
> Bob 
>
>  
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>>Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell
>>Sent: 17 October 2006 19:25
>>To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
>>Subject: RE: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
>>
>>Sir, You wrote quote :
>>
>>
" If you change the aperture you get
instant exposure compensation"


>>I did read it correctly.
>>jco
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>>Behalf Of
>>P. J. Alling
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:23 PM
>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>Subject: Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
>>
>>Huh, didn't you actually read what I wrote?  You don't change the 
>>aperture between shots if you want it to work. The camera 
>>remembers the 
>>difference between wide open and stopped down from the last time you
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>indexed the exposure.  Half pressing shutter wakes up the meter the 
>>camera takes that reading and applies the offset, as if it had an 
>>aperture simulator.  If you change aperture you have to re-index by 
>>pressing the green button or use the difference between offset and 
>>actual set aperture as an exposure adjustment. 
>>
>>J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Wont work because there is no way the camera knows
>>>You changed the apeture setting unless the aperture
>>>Is stopped down all the time and its not ( that would
>>>Drain the battery if they tried that as it's a solenoid
>>>If I am not mistaken ).
>>>jco
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>>  
>>>
>>On Behalf Of
>>
>>
>>>P. J. Alling
>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:13 PM
>>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>>Subject: Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
>>>
>>>I think you're being too complicated.  How about this.  Call it
>>>  
>>>
>auto 
>  
>
>>>stop down compensation
>>>
>>>1.) Mount a K lens.  Or take an A/F/FA off A position.  The Camera 
>>>automatically senses this.
>>>2.) Set the mode dial to Av, if it's not there already.
>>>3.) Press the green button.
>>>a) The camera takes a meter reading and temporally records it.
>>>b) The lens stops down to taking aperture and makes a reading 
>>>subtracting the EV value from the temporally stored value.
>>> The camera now knows the difference between 
>>>  
>>>
>>wide open and
>>
>>
>>
>>>the current F stop set on the lens. 
>>>
>>>Now every time you take an exposure the camera calculates the
>>>  
>>>
>proper 
>  
>
>>>exposure based on that offset. (It and also display an 
>>>  
>>>
>>estimate of over
>>
>>
>>
>>>or under exposure in the viewfinder).
>>>
>>>No extra dials or buttons to press.  If you change the 
>>>  
>>>
>>aperture you get
>>
>>
>>
>>>instant exposure compensation. 
>>>
>>>If you change aperture and don't want exposure compensation 
>>>  
>>>
>>press the 
>>
>>
>>>green button again. 
>>>
>>>Make this type of operation a menu item in the custom menu with a 
>>>default to the Av behavior.
>>>
>>>Basically an aperture simulator for Av all done in software.
>>>
>>>The only problem is that you might run out metering range, 
>>>  
>>>
>>but that's 
>>
>>
>>>true of using the green button Kludge now anyway.
>>>
>>>Cory Papenfuss wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>  Of course it's academic since it's not an option with the
>>   
>>
>>
>>
>>>current
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>firmware, but I don't think it would be too bad.  The +-EV only
>>
>>
>>works
>>
>>
>>within 3 EV from wide open, and even then you have to do 
>>
>>
>>the math of
>>
>>
>>   
>>
>>
>>
>>>how
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>man

Re: PESO - The Eye of the Tiger

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Dayton" 
Subject: PESO - The Eye of the Tiger


>I would appreciate any suggestions with this one.  There is some
> shredded paper in the lower left corner that would be very difficult
> to clone out.  One option is to crop it somehow to remove most or all
> of it - without weakening the picture or the other option is to toss
> the image.  Thoughts?
> 
> Pentax *istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX, monopod
> ISO 200, 1/60 sec @ f/4
> 
> http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/sfzoo_0248.htm

Have fun with it. Make it look like a bloody bit of clothing.
Maybe put a small person's body part in there somehow.
The possibilities are endless.

William Robb


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Re: OT: Your first camera

[P. J. Alling]

I finally got around to replying to this.  My first camera was a hand me 
down Brownie made of Bakelite, it took 127 film and made surprisingly 
good images for such a simple device, probably the biggish negatives.  
The first camera I actually owned was an Instamatic 100, (126), next an 
Instamatic 10, (110), and about the time I was entering Jr. high school 
my father gave me his Ansco Speedix 4.5 essentially the same as an 
Isolette I.  A medium format folder, scale focusing, which took very 
nice photos, three shutter speeds and B apertures from 4.5-32.  When I 
was about 16 I used a large portion of the money I saved from my first 
job to buy a Spotmatic. I have all of them except the Brownie and 
Spotmatic, I sold the Spotty when I was in graduate school, and the 
Brownie may still be somewhere in my mother's house.

Jens Bladt wrote:

>Foregive me if you had this thread before.
>I believe it's kinda fun to look back, especially if it involves pictures:
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/269112157/
>My first camera was a Agfa Clack. I believe it was 1958 or 1959. 20 years
>befor I got my first Pentax: An MX - that was in 1981.
>Regards
>
>Jens Bladt
>http://www.jensbladt.dk
>+45 56 63 77 11
>+45 23 43 85 77
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PESO - The Eye of the Tiger

[Bruce Dayton]

I would appreciate any suggestions with this one.  There is some
shredded paper in the lower left corner that would be very difficult
to clone out.  One option is to crop it somehow to remove most or all
of it - without weakening the picture or the other option is to toss
the image.  Thoughts?

Pentax *istD, Sigma 100-300/4 EX, monopod
ISO 200, 1/60 sec @ f/4

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/sfzoo_0248.htm

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Re: PESO - Valley morning fog

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Quite a nice scene, but on my screen it's drowned in blues. The  
shadows in the middle ground and top go blue rather than black, the  
fog is all blue. Was the scene really this blue to your eyes?

  A curves adjustment layer and a bit of masking would correct it  
very nicely while leaving the essential color balance alone, I think.

Godfrey

On Oct 18, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Jostein Øksne wrote:

> http://www.oksne.net/paw/garmo.html


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PESO - Golden Gate

[Bruce Dayton]

The fog rolls into the bay...

Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4, Handheld
ISO 400, 1/250 sec @ f/8

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_3433.htm

Comments welcome

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Re: PESO - Valley morning fog

[Bruce Dayton]

Quite a striking shot.  I like how the sun is hitting the tops of the
trees, giving you a sense of the time of day and that the fog is only
lingering.  Well done!

-- 
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Wednesday, October 18, 2006, 2:31:02 PM, you wrote:

JØ> http://www.oksne.net/paw/garmo.html

JØ> Thanks for looking.


JØ> Jostein




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Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux

[P. J. Alling]

So why do you think it has to be stopped down?

J. C. O'Connell wrote:

>Sir, You wrote quote :
>  
>
>>>" If you change the aperture you get
>>>instant exposure compensation"
>>>  
>>>
>I did read it correctly.
>jco
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>P. J. Alling
>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:23 PM
>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>Subject: Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
>
>Huh, didn't you actually read what I wrote?  You don't change the 
>aperture between shots if you want it to work. The camera remembers the 
>difference between wide open and stopped down from the last time you 
>indexed the exposure.  Half pressing shutter wakes up the meter the 
>camera takes that reading and applies the offset, as if it had an 
>aperture simulator.  If you change aperture you have to re-index by 
>pressing the green button or use the difference between offset and 
>actual set aperture as an exposure adjustment. 
>
>J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Wont work because there is no way the camera knows
>>You changed the apeture setting unless the aperture
>>Is stopped down all the time and its not ( that would
>>Drain the battery if they tried that as it's a solenoid
>>If I am not mistaken ).
>>jco
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>>P. J. Alling
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:13 PM
>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>Subject: Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux
>>
>>I think you're being too complicated.  How about this.  Call it auto 
>>stop down compensation
>>
>>1.) Mount a K lens.  Or take an A/F/FA off A position.  The Camera 
>>automatically senses this.
>>2.) Set the mode dial to Av, if it's not there already.
>>3.) Press the green button.
>>a) The camera takes a meter reading and temporally records it.
>>b) The lens stops down to taking aperture and makes a reading 
>>subtracting the EV value from the temporally stored value.
>> The camera now knows the difference between wide open and
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>the current F stop set on the lens. 
>>
>>Now every time you take an exposure the camera calculates the proper 
>>exposure based on that offset. (It and also display an estimate of over
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>or under exposure in the viewfinder).
>>
>>No extra dials or buttons to press.  If you change the aperture you get
>>
>>
>
>  
>
>>instant exposure compensation. 
>>
>>If you change aperture and don't want exposure compensation press the 
>>green button again. 
>>
>>Make this type of operation a menu item in the custom menu with a 
>>default to the Av behavior.
>>
>>Basically an aperture simulator for Av all done in software.
>>
>>The only problem is that you might run out metering range, but that's 
>>true of using the green button Kludge now anyway.
>>
>>Cory Papenfuss wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>   Of course it's academic since it's not an option with the
>   
>
>  
>
>>current
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>firmware, but I don't think it would be too bad.  The +-EV only
>  
>
>works
>  
>
>within 3 EV from wide open, and even then you have to do the math of
>   
>
>  
>
>>how
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>many stops you are from wide-open.
>
>
>   
>
>  
>
Or 6 if you calibrate on 3 stops up from open-aperture. I have done 
it, Cory, it's a pain, even without having to go into a menu to 
indicate the aperture.

Kostas

  

 



>>> I still think that's more confusing than what I'm thinking.  The
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>most annoying thing is having to set (somewhere) the maximum aperture
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>of 
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>the lens... I'm thinking a "button+wheel" maneuver in P or Av mode
>>>  
>>>
>when
>  
>
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>you mount up a K/M lens.  Firmware could "blink" the aperture (e.g.
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>'1.4') 
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>to let you know you set it.  After the lens is mounted and max dialed
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>in ,
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>you just have to dial the wheel to match what you've set the lens to.
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>It 
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>saves having to mentally do the math, allows open-aperture metering
>>>  
>>>
>all
>  
>
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>the way to the min aperture of the lens, and doesn't require the "GB 
>>>trick" evertime the lighting changes... only that when you move the 
>>>aperture ring on the lens you match it with the dial.
>>>
>>> How exactly do you get 6 EV?
>>>
>>>-Cory
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>
>>>**
>>>  
>>>
>*
>  
>
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>**
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>* Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>*
>> 
>>

Re: OT computer help

[David Mann]

On Oct 19, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Bob W wrote:

> I have 2 PCMCIA slots on my Dell. One of them contains a 5 GB hard
> disk used for backup of Word files and so on, the other contains my
> wireless modem. Useful little slots.

We have one slot in our laptop.  I threw a wireless network card into  
it, as I figured that'd be cheaper than buying the optional internal  
wireless adaptor from the manufacturer.

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RE: The JCO survey

[J. C. O'Connell]

Putting a simple $5 part back into the current DSLRs
Is not something impossible like FD or M42
DSLRS which use totally different very old lens
Mount. Why are you so sure its gone forever?
Its too early to tell because pentax hasn't
Really put out a high end DSLR like canon's
Top models.
jco

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Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:15 PM
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Subject: Re: The JCO survey


- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey


> Eos INTRO 20 yrs ago, there were no digital cameras
> In sight at that time. Expecting Canon to make now
> A digital FD body is a little ridiculous isnt it?

Absolutely, they have well and truly screwed the FD lens owners at this 
pooint. There's no going back.

> Its like asking pentax to make a M42 screwmount DSLR.

Truthfully, it's like asking Pentax to put an aperture cam follower onto

a DSLR. The big difference between Canon and Pentax regarding this is 
that it's recent history with Pentax.
That and they didn't make it impossible to use K/M lenses.
Thats a big plus, especially considering that their intention with the 
istD was to pretty much ignore K/M lenses as obsolete.
The aperture simulator is gone. Get over it.

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Re: OT: Netscape 7.1 - ann's new computer blues

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Pop up screens? Tunes? 
My idea of a nightmare.

I have no speakers on my computers. bliss.
 
and it is annoying enough that a screen pops up to tell me 
Pc'cillin scanned my OUTGOING messages for viruses...

Anyway to turn that off??

ann


Original Message:
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From: David Weiss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: OT: Netscape 7.1 - ann's new computer blues


I use this combination (Thunderbird and Firefox) and they work quite 
well together.  What I like most is that you can tailor the way it works 
a bit with the various themes, plug-ins and extensions.  For instance, I 
have pop-up messages when mail arrives into some of my folders, others I 
do not have messages (such as the trash folder).  Each of these pop-ups 
has its own little unique tune that plays when it arrives (although I 
turned off the pentax tune as it plays too frequently!).

Dave


graywolf wrote:
> Thunderbird, the email conterpart to Firefox is similar to Netscape, as 
> it was developed from Netscape. You could call Firefox & Thunderbird the 
> modern version of Netscape...
> 
> --graywolf
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Ryan -
>> thanks, but
>>
>> I want to mimic the Netcape communicator for my email only that I've been
>> using for years.
>> I like it.
>>
>> as to a browser, I'm using Mozilla FIREFOX...
>>
>> I stay away from explorer and outlook  - I love Mozilla
>>
>> ann
>>

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Re: Pentax Japan delays K10D release date

[Adam Maas]

Joseph Tainter wrote:
> I disagree.
> 
> What was a switch on the D is on the K10D (AF point selection, metering
> type). They moved the stuff from the mode dial (Which was a UI atrocity)
> to the Fn Menu (Which works very well).
> 
> -Adam
> -
> 
> The two big items for me are ISO set and the drive button. I use both 
> regularly. I would rather have them on the top of the camera than on the 
> back, even if the implementation on the top is less than ideal (as the 
> ISO set mechanism is on the D). Maybe it's just a matter of working 
> styles. I use the top of the camera all the time. It is another step to 
> have to look at the back when I am shooting in a hurry.
> 
> Better yet would have been a dedicated ISO button on the K10D.
> 
> Joe
> 

I agree on a dedicated button being better, but don't knock the Fn menu 
until you've worked with it. It's one of those things thats eems dumb at 
first glance, but works very well in use, because the back of the 
camera, not the top, is the first thing you see when you pull your eye away.

-Adam

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Re: OT - Jack Davis - Email Bouncing

[Tom C]

CRAP MS WINDOWS XP CUT&PASTE NONSENSE  :-)

Tom C.



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My address id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ya missed the "j".

Please re-send..

Jack

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Re: Thoughs on lenses for K100D

[John Coyle]

Leon, why not insist on getting the Pentax lens, perhaps the 18-55 kit lens, 
which has had reasonably good reports here?  CRK should be made to realize 
that, in at least one person's view (me!), the Sigma lens offering is 
inferior!

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
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From: "Leon Altoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:52 PM
Subject: Thoughs on lenses for K100D


> Hello everyone,
>
> I promised my daughter at the beginning if the year that if she did
> really well in her photography class that I would buy her a digital
> SLR.  I talked to her photography teacher today and she says that my
> daughter is the best in her year.  So looks like I'm buying a K100D for 
> her.
>
> The question is what lenses to get with it.  In Australia it comes with
> either a Sigma 18-50, Sigma 18-125 or Sigma 18-50 and 55-200.  The first
> question is how good are these lenses?  I have the 55-200 so I know how
> good it is.  What are others experiences with these lenses?.
>
> I also have a few lenses that I don't use much that I can pass down to
> her that are of better quality.  These include FA50/1.4 FA20-35/f4 and a
> Sigma 105/f2.8 EX macro.
>
> I'm thinking of a kit with the 18-125 as a general use lens, FA50/f1.4
> for portraits and low light and Sigma 105/f2.8 EX macro for close up and
> quality longer shots.  Any opinions?
>
> My daughter is currently using an old P30 and various consumer lenses in
> her class and will probably keep using these for film work while at
> school (she's not getting my MZ-S).
>
> All comments appreciated.
>
> Leon
>
> http://www.bluering.org.au
> http://www.bluering.org.au/leon
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Re: OT: Netscape 7.1 - ann's new computer blues

[David Weiss]

I use this combination (Thunderbird and Firefox) and they work quite 
well together.  What I like most is that you can tailor the way it works 
a bit with the various themes, plug-ins and extensions.  For instance, I 
have pop-up messages when mail arrives into some of my folders, others I 
do not have messages (such as the trash folder).  Each of these pop-ups 
has its own little unique tune that plays when it arrives (although I 
turned off the pentax tune as it plays too frequently!).

Dave


graywolf wrote:
> Thunderbird, the email conterpart to Firefox is similar to Netscape, as 
> it was developed from Netscape. You could call Firefox & Thunderbird the 
> modern version of Netscape...
> 
> --graywolf
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Ryan -
>> thanks, but
>>
>> I want to mimic the Netcape communicator for my email only that I've been
>> using for years.
>> I like it.
>>
>> as to a browser, I'm using Mozilla FIREFOX...
>>
>> I stay away from explorer and outlook  - I love Mozilla
>>
>> ann
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Re: PESO - Valley morning fog

[kwaller]

Nice capture.
Good composition & exposure.

Kenneth Waller

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> http://www.oksne.net/paw/garmo.html
>
> Thanks for looking.
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Re: The JCO survey

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey


> Eos INTRO 20 yrs ago, there were no digital cameras
> In sight at that time. Expecting Canon to make now
> A digital FD body is a little ridiculous isnt it?

Absolutely, they have well and truly screwed the FD lens owners at this 
pooint. There's no going back.

> Its like asking pentax to make a M42 screwmount DSLR.

Truthfully, it's like asking Pentax to put an aperture cam follower onto 
a DSLR. The big difference between Canon and Pentax regarding this is 
that it's recent history with Pentax.
That and they didn't make it impossible to use K/M lenses.
Thats a big plus, especially considering that their intention with the 
istD was to pretty much ignore K/M lenses as obsolete.
The aperture simulator is gone. Get over it.

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Re: reloading 110 cassettes

[John Celio]

> Another solution is to construct a slitter and use 35mm as a starting
> point for non-perf 16mm.

That's what I plan on doing.  I bought a slitter off eBay, and whenever it 
shows up I'm going to experiment with some 100 ISO slide film, just for fun. 
:)

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Samsung 50-200 [Was: Re: Thoughs on lenses for K100D]

[Joseph Tainter]

"I believe Pop Photo tested this variant and deemed it better quality 
than the Pentax branded version, but admitted they are the same design,
construction, and probably same plant ."

No, that's not what Pop Photo said. Pop hasn't tested the DA 50-200 yet 
(or at least they haven't reported a test of it).

What the magazine said was that in some ways it performed better than 
some of the "professional" f2.8 telezooms they have tested. Then they 
worried about whether its plastic build will hold the lens elements in 
alignment for the long run. These observations certainly apply to the 
Pentax version too.

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Re: Remedial film photography. :)

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: James

Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:37 PM
Subject: Remedial film photography. :)


> Can someone please explain to me the reason that people load 50 iso 
> film and shoot
> it with the camera set at 12 iso (numbers just for example).

My fave is still PanF at ISO 12 or so.
Colour neg film often seems to benefit from some overexposure from the 
box speed.
I always found B&W film (real B&W, not that chromogenic stuff) speed to 
be much slower, sometimes several stops slower, than the box speed.


>
> What are the benefits of doing this?  It doesn't change the speed of 
> the film...just
> the speed the camera's meter thinks the film is.  I assume it is so 
> you can
> selectively over or under expose a bit, but can't you just do that 
> with your
> exposure setting?

The ISO of a film is determined by a particular standardized method,
but film speed is a personal thing, since your meter may not match the 
calibration standard, your meter may not be colourblind (I don't think 
this is such a big deal now, but watch it with older meters), and you 
might just like more shadow detail than the box speed allows.

>
> As you can tell, I don't understand why people over or under rate the 
> iso of their
> film deliberately.

Read up on the Zone System. It was one of St. Ansel's teachings, and I 
think his book "The Negative" is a good place to start.

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Re: Re; High ISO Images

[Paul Stenquist]

Don't worry, be happy.


On Oct 18, 2006, at 10:40 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote:

> Having had my cup of tea:
>
> "Well, the first thing we need to do is panic."
>
> Well, if Pentax was a company that communicated better with its
> customers, those customers wouldn't have to grope around in the  
> dark so
> much. In the absence of support from the company, we turn to lists  
> such
> as this. Doug, thank you for providing us with this forum.
>
> "After that, let's catch our collective breath and realize that Pentax
> has been putting out cameras for a number of years, and every one of
> those cameras has been able to take usable photos."
>
> Maybe, just maybe, the market is pushing Pentax into bringing out a
> camera with a 10 mp sensor that will not yield very good images at  
> high
> ISO, or even moderate ISO, thereby in some shooting situations  
> partly or
> wholly canceling the advantage of shake reduction. We just don't know,
> because Pentax won't show us high ISO images. So we grab what's
> available and worry about what we see there.
>
> I hope I'm wrong. I want the K10D to be a good camera, Doug. That's  
> why
> I worry that in some important ways it might not be.
>
> Some people worry. Some don't. I'm one of the ones who worries. I  
> don't
> feel that I need to censor or ridicule those who don't.
>
> Thanks again, Doug, for the forum.
>
> Joe
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OT: Happy Birthday, Bill Owens

[Joseph Tainter]

Happy Birthday, Bill. Good to have you on the list.

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Re: larger digital -v- film comparison

[Digital Image Studio]

On 19/10/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Welcome to the world of digital. Where they only way to compare images
> is to digitalize the film image making it a 3rd generation image
> compared to a first (web), or second (print) from the digital. And of
> course the biggest common (well not so common, but not custom built)
> film camera is 20x24. When will digital match 20x24 inch transparencies?

http://www.gigapxl.org/technology.htm

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Thanks again!

[Bill Owens]

Bedtime now, but I must thank all of you who sent me birthday wishes.  It
just proves that we're not a mailing list, but a family, sibling spats and
all.

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RE: Black "thingy"

[Bill Owens]

Tom,

The long side of this thing is about the same length and the wide end makes
it about the right size for a PCMCIA slot.  However, inside the computer
there are contacts only where the long side fits, and I can't figure out
what's inside the computer where the short end fits.  Guess I'll have to
wait for next GFM and let the gurus sort it out.

Bill

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My Thinkpad has a CF card slot, the filler looks about the same size but 
is rectangular. There are two other slots a mini-IDE and Modem slot but 
they are internal. I wonder if what you have is a slot that was 
originally for a CF but has been "upgraded" to SD in your model. That 
would kind of explain the L shape of the filler.



Bill Owens wrote:
> Here's a photo of that black "thingy" that's in what appears to be a
PCMCIA
> slot, but inside the computer, it looks like the only contacts are where
the
> long side is.
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5092710
> 
> Bill
> 
> 

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RE: 35mm equivalent focal length on P6x7

[J. C. O'Connell]

I never crop to the paper aspect ratio, If I crop, it's
To the best composition, not to the paper.
jco

-Original Message-
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If you figure you are going to crop to the same formats the long side 
gives you 4x6 format, and the short gives you 4x5. The diagonal is for 
theorists only, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the world I work in

.



J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> Actually there are three conversion factors needed because the two
> formats
> Do not have the same aspect ratio:
> 
> Diagonal = 89.6mm/43.25mm = 2.07X, 35mm to P67 ( 0.483X, P67 to 35mm )
> Long side = 70mm/36mm = 1.94X, 35mm to P67 ( 0.515X, P67 to 35mm )
> Short side = 56mm/24mm =2.33X, 35mm to P67 ( 0.429X, P67 to 35mm )
> 
> There you have it.
> 
> jco
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
> Jens Bladt
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:11 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: RE: 35mm equivalent focal length on P6x7
> 
> As I stated before, there's a 2.1 factor involved here. 75mm/2.1 =
35,7
> mm:
> 
> http://www.jensbladt.dk/Images/Focal-length-multiplier-web.jpg
> Regards
> Jens Bladt
> http://www.jensbladt.dk
> +45 56 63 77 11
> +45 23 43 85 77
> Skype: jensbladt248
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
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> and K
> Messervy
> Sendt: 17. oktober 2006 12:49
> Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Emne: Re: 35mm equivalent focal length on P6x7
> 
> 
> Hi Paul
> 
> I'm considering a 75mm 4.5 as it is affordable.  Why do you say it
isn't
> highly regarded?
> 
> Thanks
> James
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:05 PM
> Subject: Re: 35mm equivalent focal length on P6x7
> 
> 
>> Better bets for wide 6x7 lenses are the 55/4 and the 45/4. Look for
> the
>> latest version of the 55/4 if you go that way. It has the typography
> on
>> the tapered end of the focusing ring. These lenses offer a field of
>> view similar to a 28 and 23 respectively. Excellent glass. The 75/4.5
>> is not highly regarded. There is a newer 75/2.8 that is superb, but
>> it's still pricey and hard to find used.
>> Paul
>> On Oct 9, 2006, at 11:25 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>
>>> Conversion factor for 6x7 lenses to 35mm is 1/2X.
>>> That is the 165mm 6x7 lens looks like a 82.5mm lens in 35mm.
>>> I like the 165/2.8 but it is really a short telephoto.
>>> Try the 75/4.5 lens for a 37.5mm equivalent wide in 35mm.
>>> It's not too expensive.
>>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>>
>>> On 10/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Hi all

 I may be on the verge of purchasing a 6x7 body and I'm wondering
> what
 the
 conversion is for focal lengths since I'm used to thinking in 35mm
 focal lengths.

 I won't really have much of a budget for lenses, etc so I'll have
to
 start with only
 one.  Considering what I plan to mostly use the body for, I want a
 wide angle.  Can
 someone please suggest a good wide angle for the 6x7 for
landscapes?
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 one that's fairly readily available used and not too expensive.  :)


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RE: Black "thingy"

[Bill Owens]

Bob,

I knew it was a Veeblefetzer, just called it a "thingy" to see if anyone
else knew what it was.  It more advanced than I thought, I thought it was a
Mark V

Bill

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Shell
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:51 PM
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On Oct 18, 2006, at 2:23 PM, Bill Owens wrote:

> Here's a photo of that black "thingy" that's in what appears to be  
> a PCMCIA
> slot, but inside the computer, it looks like the only contacts are  
> where the
> long side is.
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5092710


It's a Mark VII Veeblefetzer.  DO NOT attempt to operate the computer  
without it, as dire events may unfold.

Bob

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RE: The JCO survey

[J. C. O'Connell]

Eos INTRO 20 yrs ago, there were no digital cameras
In sight at that time. Expecting Canon to make now
A digital FD body is a little ridiculous isnt it?
Its like asking pentax to make a M42 screwmount DSLR.

Jco 

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- Original Message - 
From: "J. C. O'Connell"
Subject: RE: The JCO survey


> There is one HUGE difference, when Canon introduced
> EOS lenses and bodies, there were already millions
> Of FD bodies in the field and even sold new FD bodies
> For a while after, including nice ones like the T90
> So canon FD users had their "last call". Whereas pentax hasn't even
> changed their Mount and there are zero pentax digital bodies in
> The field that do support K/M fully at all. Pentax should
> Give a "last call" for K/M users with at least one DSLR
> Body that supports them fully.

Last time I checked, there were zero DSLR bodies that supported the very
fine quality FD glass
Pentax has never made a DSLR which included an aperture simulator.
When they introduced the istD, there were already millions of film
bodies in the field that fully supported K/M
Their last call was, like Canon, with a film body.
Canon discontinued the nice FD bodies within months of the launch of the

EOS, and they didn't give any warning about it, so that if a person 
wanted an extra body or two to take them into the future, they were 
screwed.

What really pissed off the Canon owners that I know was that Canon left 
them with bags of excellent lenses, and no way to buy a new camera to 
shoot with.
Support of lenses is most important. You said it, why don't you 
understand it?

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Re; High ISO Images

[Joseph Tainter]

Having had my cup of tea:

"Well, the first thing we need to do is panic."

Well, if Pentax was a company that communicated better with its 
customers, those customers wouldn't have to grope around in the dark so 
much. In the absence of support from the company, we turn to lists such 
as this. Doug, thank you for providing us with this forum.

"After that, let's catch our collective breath and realize that Pentax
has been putting out cameras for a number of years, and every one of
those cameras has been able to take usable photos."

Maybe, just maybe, the market is pushing Pentax into bringing out a 
camera with a 10 mp sensor that will not yield very good images at high 
ISO, or even moderate ISO, thereby in some shooting situations partly or 
wholly canceling the advantage of shake reduction. We just don't know, 
because Pentax won't show us high ISO images. So we grab what's 
available and worry about what we see there.

I hope I'm wrong. I want the K10D to be a good camera, Doug. That's why 
I worry that in some important ways it might not be.

Some people worry. Some don't. I'm one of the ones who worries. I don't 
feel that I need to censor or ridicule those who don't.

Thanks again, Doug, for the forum.

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Re: OT - Jack Davis - Email Bouncing

[Jack Davis]

My address id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ya missed the "j".

Please re-send..

Jack

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> e-mails 
> to your yahoo account are returning as:
> 
> Delivery to the following recipients failed.
> 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Obviously you're getting mail from the list though...
> 
> Tom C.
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Re: Remedial film photography. :)

[Paul Stenquist]

Your example is extreme, but most films seem to be slightly overrated  
in regard to ISO. I always shot Portra 400 at 320 and Portra 160 at  
100. I shot Delta 3200 at 1600. I shot TMax 400 at 200 then processed  
it gently in a d-76 1:1 soup. It's all in determining what works for  
you with the processing that is available. ISO numbers are only a guide.
On Oct 18, 2006, at 9:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Can someone please explain to me the reason that people load 50 iso  
> film and shoot
> it with the camera set at 12 iso (numbers just for example).
>
> What are the benefits of doing this?  It doesn't change the speed  
> of the film...just
> the speed the camera's meter thinks the film is.  I assume it is so  
> you can
> selectively over or under expose a bit, but can't you just do that  
> with your
> exposure setting?
>
> As you can tell, I don't understand why people over or under rate  
> the iso of their
> film deliberately.
>
> James
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[no subject]

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

NOt sure why my pdml change isn't taking yet
my new email is
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

The nickname I was given at the old Game Room in NY where
we played Scrabble (and others played backgammon and chess
and such)
think it is even mentioned on the web somewhere - in a
quote from
WORD FREAK.

somebody send me some mail at the new address please.


Obviously, I got it set up the way I like it. :)


Wheatfield, send me the link to your vacation prints again,
please

annsan


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PESO - Valley morning fog

[Joseph Tainter]

http://www.oksne.net/paw/garmo.html


Jostein, this is wonderful.

Joe

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Re: Re: Show in Japan

[John Coyle]

I cannot see genuine moiré, patterns there, no matter how hard I look!
Moiré interference does exist of course, but isn't it generally only 
apparent when looking at an electronic presentation of an image, such as 
used to be very evident on TV when some particular patterns of shirt were 
worn?
IMO, it would hardly seem to be an issue if you're going to a printed output 
anyway.

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
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Subject: Re: Re: Show in Japan


> On 10/17/06, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Moire is the odd patterns you sometimes see in fine (high frequency)
>> detail in digital shots or scans.
>>
>> -Adam
>
> Actually, I just accidentally found the thread in Japan wherein folks
> are talking about the moire, taking an examplke of Pnteax's recent
> sample.
>
> http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/35mm/k10d/image/ex_02.jpg
>
> This is the sample 2 shown in the K10D site.
> If you look really close at the area of her right shoulder between her
> arm and hair, you might be able to see some colour moire.  It is hard
> to see but it's there.  The fabric is supposed to be pure white but
> has a very fine thread pattern.  They all say this is moire, and are
> not all concerned about it.
>
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Re: Samsung 50-200 [Was: Re: Thoughs on lenses for K100D]

[jkmess]

Yes, but are they K mount?

:)

Quoting graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I noticed that Samsung is now making highend washers and dryers too.
> 
> --graywolf
> 
> 
> Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> > Assuming that it's the exact same lens for a moment, the next
> questions
> > might be about service availability and warranty, and then possible
> resale
> > value.
> > 
> > Shel
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: Toine 
> > 
> >> After reading all the positive comments on the pentax 50-200 and
> >> spotting the samsung 50-200 for 149 vs 220 euros I think I see a
> new
> >> enablement on the horizon.
> >> The big question is, if it really is exactly the same lens
> including
> >> SMC coating.
> >> Or should I keep my (heavy) SMC-F 70-210 ???
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: new email address coming down the line

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Just call him Annie Hall :)

BTW - the 2nd ave deli is gone -- sniffle sniffle

ann



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What a goy you are ;-))

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: graywolf 

> Send around a Pastrami and Swiss on Rye, Ann.



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Re: OT: Happy Birthday, Bill Owens

[Stan Halpin]

Bill, best wishes for continued recovery, and have a happy birthday 
along the way!
I hope to be at GFM next summer. Just learned about a must-attend 
wedding on the left coast in that same general time period, but I'll do 
what I can.

Stan

On Oct 18, 2006, at 8:42 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:

> Yesterday was Bill's birthday, though I got myself too involved in my
> day to remember to post something about it. Sorry, Bill.
>
> Given what Bill has been through the last couple years, I think this
> milestone is worthy of grand celebration. Please join me in wishing 
> Bill
> many, many happy returns.
>
> Doug
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Re: Remedial film photography. :)

[graywolf]

It moves the exposure up, or down, the sensitivity curve. Giving more 
weight to the shadows, or highlights. Simple as that. It takes a bit of 
experience to know when to do which.

Most wedding pros shot color negative about 2/3 stop slow (100 v 160) 
because most of the labs were calibrated to make the best prints at that 
speed. Of course that was in the old days, BD.

--graywolf


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Can someone please explain to me the reason that people load 50 iso film and 
> shoot 
> it with the camera set at 12 iso (numbers just for example).  
> 
> What are the benefits of doing this?  It doesn't change the speed of the 
> film...just 
> the speed the camera's meter thinks the film is.  I assume it is so you can 
> selectively over or under expose a bit, but can't you just do that with your 
> exposure setting?
> 
> As you can tell, I don't understand why people over or under rate the iso of 
> their 
> film deliberately.
> 
> James
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Re: Samsung 50-200 [Was: Re: Thoughs on lenses for K100D]

[graywolf]

I noticed that Samsung is now making highend washers and dryers too.

--graywolf


Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> Assuming that it's the exact same lens for a moment, the next questions
> might be about service availability and warranty, and then possible resale
> value.
> 
> Shel
> 
> 
> 
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Toine 
> 
>> After reading all the positive comments on the pentax 50-200 and
>> spotting the samsung 50-200 for 149 vs 220 euros I think I see a new
>> enablement on the horizon.
>> The big question is, if it really is exactly the same lens including
>> SMC coating.
>> Or should I keep my (heavy) SMC-F 70-210 ???
> 
> 
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Samsung 50-200 [Was: Re: Thoughs on lenses for K100D]

[Walter Hamler]

I believe Pop Photo tested this variant and deemed it better quality than 
the Pentax branded version, but admitted they are the same design, 
construction, and probably same plant . If you find a place to buy one at 
less than 200.00 I would be interested.

Walt 


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Re: photo from 1979

[graywolf]

L to R: Olympus, the chimper looks like he has some kind of Polaroid, 
Minolta, Canon, Olympus, Nikon, Minolta, and the one hanging on the 
neckstrap looks like a Practika to me. It is hard to tell exactly what 
model which is because they all tended to look the same throughout the 
line back then. Except for Nikon which is, I think, in this case an F2.

The model in the foreground no longer looks like that, BTW .

--graywolf



Scott Loveless wrote:
> Howdy, gang!
> 
> I came across this photo in the "photojournalism" entry at wikipedia.
> The photographer states the photograph was probably taken about 1979
> at the Cannes Film Festival.  There are 6 35mm SLRs in the photo and
> one scantily clad actress (probably not work safe in many places).  I
> was trying to figure out the make and model of the camera, but most
> are out of focus.  Anyone wanna take a crack at identifying some of
> them?
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Starlette.jpg
> 
> Large:  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Starlette.jpg
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photo from 1979

[Walter Hamler]

I see 2  Olympus, 2 canons, a Nikon, and 2 Minoltas

Walt

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Re: new email address coming down the line

[Shel Belinkoff]

What a goy you are ;-))

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: graywolf 

> Send around a Pastrami and Swiss on Rye, Ann.



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Remedial film photography. :)

[jkmess]

Can someone please explain to me the reason that people load 50 iso film and 
shoot 
it with the camera set at 12 iso (numbers just for example).  

What are the benefits of doing this?  It doesn't change the speed of the 
film...just 
the speed the camera's meter thinks the film is.  I assume it is so you can 
selectively over or under expose a bit, but can't you just do that with your 
exposure setting?

As you can tell, I don't understand why people over or under rate the iso of 
their 
film deliberately.

James

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Re: larger digital -v- film comparison

[graywolf]

Welcome to the world of digital. Where they only way to compare images 
is to digitalize the film image making it a 3rd generation image 
compared to a first (web), or second (print) from the digital. And of 
course the biggest common (well not so common, but not custom built) 
film camera is 20x24. When will digital match 20x24 inch transparencies?



--graywolf


Kevin Waterson wrote:
> Whilst not strictly Pentax related, I found this older article
> comparing some 4x5
> 
> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/Cramer.shtml
> 
> I found it interesting any how...
> 
> Kevin
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Re: OT: Netscape 7.1 - ann's new computer blues

[graywolf]

Thunderbird, the email conterpart to Firefox is similar to Netscape, as 
it was developed from Netscape. You could call Firefox & Thunderbird the 
modern version of Netscape...

--graywolf


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ryan -
> thanks, but
> 
> I want to mimic the Netcape communicator for my email only that I've been
> using for years.
> I like it.
> 
> as to a browser, I'm using Mozilla FIREFOX...
> 
> I stay away from explorer and outlook  - I love Mozilla
> 
> ann
> 
> Original Message:
> -
> From: Ryan Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:19:28 -0500
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: OT: Netscape 7.1 - ann's new computer blues
> 
> 
> j wrote:
>> Ann, why not use Eudora for your e-mail and Opera for your browser. I 
>> have been using them both for a long,long timeJ
>>
>>   
> Eudora is also switching to Thunderbird:
> 
> http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7305911803.html
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Re: new email address coming down the line

[graywolf]

Send around a Pastrami and Swiss on Rye, Ann.

--graywolf


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> will be
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> I'm not giving up the old annsan one yet but I'm going to change
> my pDML mail to the new one this evening...
> 
> you are right, guys, I'm loving the cable connection.
> 
> annsan
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: K1D aperture simulator, part Three (III)- NOT

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I've done this on every SLR camera I've owned since 1969. I hate  
microprism focus aids particularly, but split image rangefinders are  
also obnoxious.

G

On Oct 18, 2006, at 4:47 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

> I'm actually in the process of replacing all my split-prism screens  
> with
> plain screens, where possible. I find split-prisms annoying as they're
> never where you need them ...


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Re: BSI - film speed system etc

[graywolf]

BSI was, I believe, the same as Weston. If so, it is 1/3 stop off from 
ASA, I forget which way.


Bob W wrote:
> BSI and ASA apparently used the same numbering system, according to
> this web page:
> http://www.photographytips.com/page.cfm/1591
> 
> BSI was obviously superior in all other respects, of course.
> 
> That looks like a nice camera. I'd like one of those sometime.
> 
> --
> Cheers,
>  Bob 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>> Behalf Of Jens Bladt
>> Sent: 18 October 2006 21:56
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: OT: BSI - film speed system etc
>>
>> Is this fairly the same as ASA/ISO?
>> I recently got this 1955 Agifold camera. The extinction 
>> meter/calculator has
>> SCH (Scheiner-Grad) and BSI (Brittish Standard Institute) 
>> film speed scale.
>> I wonder if BSI is equal to ASA?
>> Please take a look:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/273145251/
>>
>> Does anyone here have experiences with Ensign 820 (6x9) or 
>> Ensign Autorange/
>> Ensifn 16-20  (645), please?
>> Thanx
>> Regards
>>
>> Jens Bladt
>> http://www.jensbladt.dk
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Re: 35mm equivalent focal length on P6x7

[graywolf]

If you figure you are going to crop to the same formats the long side 
gives you 4x6 format, and the short gives you 4x5. The diagonal is for 
theorists only, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the world I work in 
.



J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> Actually there are three conversion factors needed because the two
> formats
> Do not have the same aspect ratio:
> 
> Diagonal = 89.6mm/43.25mm = 2.07X, 35mm to P67 ( 0.483X, P67 to 35mm )
> Long side = 70mm/36mm = 1.94X, 35mm to P67 ( 0.515X, P67 to 35mm )
> Short side = 56mm/24mm =2.33X, 35mm to P67 ( 0.429X, P67 to 35mm )
> 
> There you have it.
> 
> jco
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Jens Bladt
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:11 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: RE: 35mm equivalent focal length on P6x7
> 
> As I stated before, there's a 2.1 factor involved here. 75mm/2.1 = 35,7
> mm:
> 
> http://www.jensbladt.dk/Images/Focal-length-multiplier-web.jpg
> Regards
> Jens Bladt
> http://www.jensbladt.dk
> +45 56 63 77 11
> +45 23 43 85 77
> Skype: jensbladt248
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af J
> and K
> Messervy
> Sendt: 17. oktober 2006 12:49
> Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Emne: Re: 35mm equivalent focal length on P6x7
> 
> 
> Hi Paul
> 
> I'm considering a 75mm 4.5 as it is affordable.  Why do you say it isn't
> highly regarded?
> 
> Thanks
> James
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:05 PM
> Subject: Re: 35mm equivalent focal length on P6x7
> 
> 
>> Better bets for wide 6x7 lenses are the 55/4 and the 45/4. Look for
> the
>> latest version of the 55/4 if you go that way. It has the typography
> on
>> the tapered end of the focusing ring. These lenses offer a field of
>> view similar to a 28 and 23 respectively. Excellent glass. The 75/4.5
>> is not highly regarded. There is a newer 75/2.8 that is superb, but
>> it's still pricey and hard to find used.
>> Paul
>> On Oct 9, 2006, at 11:25 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>
>>> Conversion factor for 6x7 lenses to 35mm is 1/2X.
>>> That is the 165mm 6x7 lens looks like a 82.5mm lens in 35mm.
>>> I like the 165/2.8 but it is really a short telephoto.
>>> Try the 75/4.5 lens for a 37.5mm equivalent wide in 35mm.
>>> It's not too expensive.
>>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>>
>>> On 10/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Hi all

 I may be on the verge of purchasing a 6x7 body and I'm wondering
> what
 the
 conversion is for focal lengths since I'm used to thinking in 35mm
 focal lengths.

 I won't really have much of a budget for lenses, etc so I'll have to
 start with only
 one.  Considering what I plan to mostly use the body for, I want a
 wide angle.  Can
 someone please suggest a good wide angle for the 6x7 for landscapes?
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Re: PESO - A valley view

[John Coyle]

That's beautiful, Jostein - it looks so peaceful, too

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
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Subject: PESO - A valley view


> http://www.oksne.net/paw/valleyview.html
>
> Thanks for looking.
>
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Re: Black "thingy"

[graywolf]

My Thinkpad has a CF card slot, the filler looks about the same size but 
is rectangular. There are two other slots a mini-IDE and Modem slot but 
they are internal. I wonder if what you have is a slot that was 
originally for a CF but has been "upgraded" to SD in your model. That 
would kind of explain the L shape of the filler.



Bill Owens wrote:
> Here's a photo of that black "thingy" that's in what appears to be a PCMCIA
> slot, but inside the computer, it looks like the only contacts are where the
> long side is.
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5092710
> 
> Bill
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Re: photo from 1979

[Shel Belinkoff]

There are some Nikons, at least one Canon that I can see, and it looks like
there are a couple of Minoltas as well.

Shel

> Scott Loveless wrote:

> I came across this photo in the "photojournalism" entry at wikipedia.
> The photographer states the photograph was probably taken about 1979
> at the Cannes Film Festival.  There are 6 35mm SLRs in the photo and
> one scantily clad actress (probably not work safe in many places).  I
> was trying to figure out the make and model of the camera, but most
> are out of focus.  Anyone wanna take a crack at identifying some of
> them?

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Starlette.jpg
>
> Large:  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Starlette.jpg



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larger digital -v- film comparison

[Kevin Waterson]

Whilst not strictly Pentax related, I found this older article
comparing some 4x5

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/Cramer.shtml

I found it interesting any how...

Kevin

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Re: 645D estimated street price - unbeleivable it must be a mistake!

[Kevin Waterson]

but the many other MF digitals have a removable/replaceable back
making upgrades easy. However, if Pentax can keep the price low, I see
this as a positive step. The advantage of replacing the whole body is
that you get the benifits of any new technology in focusing etc.

Kevin

On 10/18/06, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Under $2000. US.
>
> Pål Jensen wrote:
>
> >
> >So what is the estimated street price???
> >
> >Pål
> >
> >
> >
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Re: photo from 1979

[Perry Pellechia]

Cannot help on the ID's but its looks like some of those paps are
chimping with film cameras!

On 10/18/06, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Howdy, gang!
>
> I came across this photo in the "photojournalism" entry at wikipedia.
> The photographer states the photograph was probably taken about 1979
> at the Cannes Film Festival.  There are 6 35mm SLRs in the photo and
> one scantily clad actress (probably not work safe in many places).  I
> was trying to figure out the make and model of the camera, but most
> are out of focus.  Anyone wanna take a crack at identifying some of
> them?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Starlette.jpg
>
> Large:  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Starlette.jpg
>
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Re: Show in Japan

[Paul Stenquist]

I doubt that Pentax has regressed.

BTW, I think Doug was being facetious. It's probably not time to get  
nostalgic about the *istD.

On Oct 17, 2006, at 9:42 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:

> On 18/10/06, Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Well, that's it. The camera is useless.
>
> That was one great thing about the *ist D, the AA filter seemed very
> well matched to the sensor which meant that images sharpened well and
> rarely suffered aliasing problems, though it didn't measure up as well
> regarding resolution as some of the other cameras built around the
> same sensor.
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Re: Protecting Lens Mount Contacts

[Shel Belinkoff]

Even more ultimate compatibility ;-))

http://tinyurl.com/b97ye


Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: John Francis 

> > BTW, it seems easier to use a screw 
>  > mount lens on the ist-Series camera
> > than a K mount.  At least in the limited 
> > circumstances that I've tried thus far.
>
> That's the general opinion, amongst most folks who have tried it.
> You get (stopped-down) Aperture Priority exposure mode simply by
> mounting the lens+adapter on the body.
>
> You lose open-aperture composition through the viewfinder, of course,
> but that's true of using a screw-mount lens on any K-mount body.
>
> In fact I've suggested, rather tongue-in-cheek, that this is the
> ultimate in backwards compatibility; with a screw-mount lens on
> my *ist-D I can use it (in manual mode) just like my Spotmatic II.
> Or, if I want this newfangled AE stuff, that's available too.



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Re: K1D aperture simulator, part Three (III)- NOT

[Adam Maas]

I'm actually in the process of replacing all my split-prism screens with 
plain screens, where possible. I find split-prisms annoying as they're 
never where you need them, and focus and recompose introduces errors 
with close subjects and wide-open fast glass, which is a common 
situation for me.

The M645 and F3 have plain microprism screens, the LX has a grid screen 
(my preference), while the MX and FA await new screens (going to put an 
Pentax grid screen in the LX and move the Beattie grid to the MX, and 
get a K3 screen for the FA), my other bodies all lack interchangable 
screens (As a list, this includes my Chinon CM-3 and Spotmatic SP 
Screwmount bodies, the latter of which also lacks the annoying 
split-screen, the Chinon CP-6 and Ricoh KR-5sv K mount bodies and the 
Nikon EM and F601m. Only the Chinon's and the EM see regular use though)

-Adam


Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>  & 
> 
> First of all, the newer auto focus cameras, including the DSLR's, don't
> have split image finders as standard.  I'm not even sure that you can get
> one other than custom made.  Had you ever used a new camera you'd know
> this. In addition, the screens, even the standard screens, are much
> brighter than the screens on older cameras, like the Spotties, K1000's,
> KX's, and so on.  So, it's pretty easy to see through the viewfinder at
> smaller apertures compared to the earlier cameras.  Your lack of experience
> with contemporary Pentax cameras is showing.  You are speaking from a
> position of ignorance - which is not a very strong position ;-))
> 
> Just for grins, I attached a ST 105/2.8 to my istDS, set the aperture to
> F/8.0, and discovered that I had absolutely no difficulty focusing quickly
> and easily.  All the more interesting is that it's a dull grey, overcast
> morning here and I was focusing on the tree in front of my office through
> window glass as well.
> 
> Shel
> 
> 
>> J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> 
>> Yes but its harder to focus which makes it slower not quicker
>> Especially at smaller fstops. Most split image and other focus aids
>> In the viewfinders don't even work at F5.6 or slower so what
>> You are saying makes no sense. Focus will be slower and less
>> Accurate, and in low light your be making it harder to compose
>> Too.
> 
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Re: K1D aperature simulator survey, part Deaux

[Adam Maas]

Cory Papenfuss wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, P. J. Alling wrote:
> 
>> I actually thought Cory had suggested this, so I apologize again.  
>> However this seems like a possible Firmware hack.  There was a cottage 
>> industry in hacked firmware for the D300/Digital Rebel to put back 
>> functions that were in Canons higher level offerings that were left out 
>> in the Rebel.  I wonder if someone will be willing to risk permanently 
>> disabling their *ist-D to try something like that.
>>
>   I briefly looked into this awhile back.  The firmware is a rather 
> odd embedded RTOS beast:
> 
> 6Softune REALOS/FR is Realtime OS for FR Family, based on micro-ITRON 
> COPYRIGHT(C) FUJITSU 
> LIMITED 1994-1999
> 
> ... can be found within the firmware binary.  I'm not real saavy on 
> hacking at that level, but it'd probalby be pretty ugly to do.  The D300 
> has a larger userbase and thus larger hacker userbase.  They were also 
> doing fairly simple things... just enabling features that were basically 
> already there.  The hack we're talking about would be quite a bit to code 
> up in a reverse-engineered way.
> 
> -Cory
>

The 300D hack was essentially loading the 10D firmware, since they were 
pretty much identical from a electronic standpoint, the differences are 
all physical hardware. The 300D essentially was the 10D electronics 
shoved into a Rebel body with a few hacks (primarily buffer size reduction)

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OT - Jack Davis - Email Bouncing

[Tom C]

Hi Jack,

Don't know if it's just a temporary yahoo or hotmail glitch, but my e-mails 
to your yahoo account are returning as:

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Obviously you're getting mail from the list though...

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Re: photo from 1979

[Brian Walters]

Cameras?  What cameras?

Oh, you mean the things in the top half of the image



Cheers

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Quoting Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Howdy, gang!
> 
> I came across this photo in the "photojournalism" entry at
> wikipedia.
> The photographer states the photograph was probably taken about
> 1979
> at the Cannes Film Festival.  There are 6 35mm SLRs in the photo
> and
> one scantily clad actress (probably not work safe in many places). 
> I
> was trying to figure out the make and model of the camera, but
> most
> are out of focus.  Anyone wanna take a crack at identifying some
> of
> them?
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Starlette.jpg
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Re: PESO - Season's End

[Jack Davis]

Most creative.

Jack

--- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Actually I should ever have let on
> 
> I collected the leaves and froze them in a 1/2 " or so of water in 
> translucent cookware.  No light box.  I turned the pan on end and
> leaned it 
> against the rails of an open back chair.  The light is natural.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> 
> 
> Original Message Follows
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> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:23:40 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> You're good..you're very very good!
> This, also, done in an ice tray and then removed and placed on a
> light
> box?
> 
> Jack
> 
> --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>  > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5092852
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>  > Leaves and Ice
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Re: PESO - Valley morning fog

[Jack Davis]

Wow! Extremely well done.
I'd, also, like to see this in its full autumn glory.

Jack

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Re: OT: Netscape 7.1 - ann's new computer blues

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Ryan Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> j wrote:
> > Ann, why not use Eudora for your e-mail and Opera for your
> browser. I 
> > have been using them both for a long,long timeJ
> >
> >   
> Eudora is also switching to Thunderbird:
> 
> http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7305911803.html


Well, that IS interesting.  I've been using Eudora since about version 2.  I've 
tried other email clients including Thunderbird but have always come back to 
Eudora.  I hope "Penelope" is not too much like Thunderbird..


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Re: Black "thingy"

[Bob Shell]

On Oct 18, 2006, at 2:23 PM, Bill Owens wrote:

> Here's a photo of that black "thingy" that's in what appears to be  
> a PCMCIA
> slot, but inside the computer, it looks like the only contacts are  
> where the
> long side is.
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5092710


It's a Mark VII Veeblefetzer.  DO NOT attempt to operate the computer  
without it, as dire events may unfold.

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Re: PESO - Season's End

[Tom C]

Actually I should ever have let on

I collected the leaves and froze them in a 1/2 " or so of water in 
translucent cookware.  No light box.  I turned the pan on end and leaned it 
against the rails of an open back chair.  The light is natural.

Thanks!

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You're good..you're very very good!
This, also, done in an ice tray and then removed and placed on a light
box?

Jack

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RE: PESO - Valley morning fog

[Tom C]

Nice light and composition with the placing of the church and road  in the 
frame.  Pleasantly balanced.


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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:31:02 +0200

http://www.oksne.net/paw/garmo.html

Thanks for looking.


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Re: PESO - Season's End

[Tom C]

Thank you Bruce.  Yes, please keep believing the illusion. :-)

I always search out this kind of picture.

Tom C.



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Hello Tom,

Makes me happy with the weather we are having - supposed to get up to
near 80 today.

An interesting picture - I'm assuming based on the last one that
these are found stuck in snow and ice.  Knowing that makes it more
interesting to me.  I like the colors.

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Wednesday, October 18, 2006, 12:46:04 PM, you wrote:

TC> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5092852

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Re: PESO - Season's End

[Tom C]

Thanks Paul & Godfrey.

Tom C.



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Superb. An interesting technique, well executed.
Paul
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 > > TC> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5092852
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Re: PESO - Valley morning fog

[Cotty]

On 18/10/06, Jostein Øksne, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://www.oksne.net/paw/garmo.html
>
>Thanks for looking.

Hi mate, I'll bet you tried a crop without the sunlit trees - no good?

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photo from 1979

[Scott Loveless]

Howdy, gang!

I came across this photo in the "photojournalism" entry at wikipedia.
The photographer states the photograph was probably taken about 1979
at the Cannes Film Festival.  There are 6 35mm SLRs in the photo and
one scantily clad actress (probably not work safe in many places).  I
was trying to figure out the make and model of the camera, but most
are out of focus.  Anyone wanna take a crack at identifying some of
them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Starlette.jpg

Large:  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Starlette.jpg

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Re: PESO: Re: Fungi on dead wood, reprise

[Daniel J. Matyola]

They are growing on me .  .  .

On 10/18/06, Jan van Wijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:22:03 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >http://www.dfsee.com/gallery/index.php?list=8
>
> >Backlit Fungi is nice.
>
> Ah, you did see the new one too :-)
>
> Thanks for the comment!
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> Regards, JvW
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Re: OT: Netscape 7.1 - ann's new computer blues

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J -
I just like my old Netscape
Some one had mentioned 7.1 was better and easy to mimic 4.6

ages ago I used Eudora - but I still prefer old communicator.

I'm not using netscape for browsing.

ann

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Ann, why not use Eudora for your e-mail and Opera for your browser. I 
have been using them both for a long,long timeJ


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> >
> >   Someone wrote (on our list)  I could download 7.1 and I can't find
that
> > email now
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> >   I want to start using my road runner email account but would
definitely
> > not like to
> >   use outlook.
> >
> >   thanks
> >
> >ann
> >
> >
> >
>How about Thunderbird instead?   Netscape is dead, and the Mozilla folks
>have split the browser into Firefox and Thunderbird:
>
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Re: OT: Netscape 7.1 - ann's new computer blues

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Scott 
thanks! 
I got my netscape 4.8 and that does make me happy... 
IT is great - looks just like I like it to look.  

but I have now forgotten where and in what form I'm to tell it where my
mail is

I put in my email address and my password but called the ISP roadrunner all
one word.

it didn't work - now i can't find where the thingy is I'm supposed to type
in my ISP and 
TIME WARNER said their system ws down -- not the service provider, just
their internal stuff so they can't get me to a techie.  annoying.

TIA if you know -
I called one of you guys but haven't person X hasn't called me back yet :)

ann



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On 10/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   (1) Can I get that or older versions as a free download?
>
>   Someone wrote (on our list)  I could download 7.1 and I can't find that
> email now
>
>   I want to start using my road runner email account but would definitely
> not like to
>   use outlook.
>
Older versions of netscape are available here: 
http://sillydog.org/narchive/

You might also take a look at thunderbird: 
http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird/

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Re: OT: Happy Birthday, Bill Owens

[Shel Belinkoff]

OK - Happy Birthday Bill ... may you have many more birthdays and lots of
fun and good times with friends, family, and fellow Pentaxians.

Shel



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Re: PESO - Valley morning fog

[Shel Belinkoff]

That's a very nice photograph.  The car seems out of character for so
pastoral a scene.  I can imagine a horse and carriage, though ;-))
Shel



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Re: PESO - Valley morning fog

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I like the colors very much, and the shape of the roadway as well.
Quite effective in establishing a mood.

On 10/18/06, Jostein Øksne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: Samsung 50-200 [Was: Re: Thoughs on lenses for K100D]

[Shel Belinkoff]

Assuming that it's the exact same lens for a moment, the next questions
might be about service availability and warranty, and then possible resale
value.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Toine 

> After reading all the positive comments on the pentax 50-200 and
> spotting the samsung 50-200 for 149 vs 220 euros I think I see a new
> enablement on the horizon.
> The big question is, if it really is exactly the same lens including
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PESO - Valley morning fog

[Jostein Øksne]

http://www.oksne.net/paw/garmo.html

Thanks for looking.


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RE: BSI - film speed system etc

[Bob W]

BSI and ASA apparently used the same numbering system, according to
this web page:
http://www.photographytips.com/page.cfm/1591

BSI was obviously superior in all other respects, of course.

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> Is this fairly the same as ASA/ISO?
> I recently got this 1955 Agifold camera. The extinction 
> meter/calculator has
> SCH (Scheiner-Grad) and BSI (Brittish Standard Institute) 
> film speed scale.
> I wonder if BSI is equal to ASA?
> Please take a look:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/273145251/
> 
> Does anyone here have experiences with Ensign 820 (6x9) or 
> Ensign Autorange/
> Ensifn 16-20  (645), please?
> Thanx
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Re: OT: Happy Birthday, Bill Owens

[Jostein Øksne]

Very belated, but nonetheless.

Happy birthday, Bill.

Hope we get to raise a glass together again soon.

Jostein


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>
> Given what Bill has been through the last couple years, I think this
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