Re: beauty shot: Pentax K10D- 17mm lenses are out there

[Peter Lacus]

Godfrey,

>>...(lack of artificial look also playing significant role)..
> 
> 
> A digital camera can produce any look you want. It's all in the image  
> processing. And that's not something learned overnight. The more you  
> do, the better your results will be.

unfortunately, I can't agree completely. Some limitations are built-in 
to system and you can't overcome them easily (Nyquist frequency, pixels 
arranged in [Bayer] matrix) and when they play together against you, 
some artificial flavour to picture is pretty much inevitable (such as 
moire or aliasing). Indeed film does have its' own set of limitations as 
well (for example limited dynamic range) but I'm used to them.

Of course I expect my skills will improve over time (I can now produce 
better results using ACR than one month ago) but I expect the RAW 
converters will improve as well. :-) However I don't expect miracles - 
rendering on film will always be different than on digital IMHO. Not 
better nor worse, just different...

Cheers,

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Re: PMA: Is this a joke ?

[Thibouille]

Mmm weird but I agree the lens seems pretty OK.

Leica probably know how to make those lens with quality (as far as
quality can be met with such lenses) but I dunno why I have a strange
feeling when looking at lenses like that from Leica.

Compact zooms are one thing. Reflex lenses is something else. Probably
my brain just choking on Leica + extreme zoom range.

When will we see Pentax DA 18-300/3.5-6.7 lens?

2007/3/8, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> On Mar 7, 2007, at 10:49 PM, Thibouille wrote:
>
> > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0703/07030704leica14-150mm.asp
> > Leica producing that kind of lens? Huh Smells brand image
> > depreciation to me.
>
> Leica has been designing 12:1 zoom lenses for cameras bearing
> Panasonic and Leica names for several years now. They're excellent
> quality. I had the Panasonic FZ10 for a while, a compact 12:1
> ultrazoom camera with a 4Mpixel sensor. It made a LOT of excellent
> photos for me, including this one of the Point of Ayre Lighthouse on
> the Isle of Man:
>
> full resolution:
> http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/IoM-4/PoA-lighthouse-0730usFR.jpg
>
> It's sold several copies in 11x14 prints. "Brand image depreciation"?
> Who cares when the lenses perform like this?
>
> G
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Re: PESO -- Relaxed

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/7/2007 3:51:05 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Alexa, enjoying the  fireplace.

http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/2007/03/07/enjoying-the-warmth/

K10D  w/ 43LTD.

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Re: Simplified PS workflow

[Shel Belinkoff]

SFW does 1, 2, and 3 ...

Shel
Why in Hell should I have to Press 1 for English?!!! 


> [Original Message]
> From: Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Date: 3/7/2007 9:12:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Simplified PS workflow
>
> Tom, as far as I understand, the PhotoShop CS2 does 2 and 3 below 
> automatically if you choose "save for web" option from the menus.
>
> Also, generally the less files you have on your desktop the faster your 
> windows is. This is at least has been my experience. Personally, I have 
> two hard drives on my PC. Each has a directory called "work" on the top 
> most level like "c:\work" or "d:\work", etc. There I have all my stuff 
> organized the way I see fit. It is also easier to backup/restore it this 
> way. I just tell the backup program to backup these two directories and 
> I am done.
>
> Boris
>
>
>
> graywolf wrote:
> > 1. Resample image to 72ppi.
> > 2. Change profile to sRGB.
> > 3. Change image to 8 bit.
> > 4. Save for Web and delete modified image.
> > 
> > To go with that I revised my workflow so that raw images from the
camera 
> > or one of the scanners go into a Raw Images folder on the Desktop. I 
> > consider those to be my digital equivalent of negatives.
> > 
> > Using Camera Raw I convert to PSD files which go into a PSD Images 
> > folder on the Desktop. These are the working images to be edited to 
> > final print form.
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Re: Just a bit of something I experienced I thought I'd share with the club

[Bong Manayon]

On 3/8/07, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just a bit of musings I'd put down in words, if you don't mind reading them.
>
> Boris

You did your best, but words even seem to get in the way.  It almost
feels patronizing to simply say "I think I know what you felt/feel."
Reminds of an Ansel Adams quote: "When words become unclear, I shall
focus with photographs. When images become inadequate, I shall be
content with silence."

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Re: K10D and fill flash

[Bruce Dayton]

If you are using the 360FGZ or 540FGZ, the compensation is dialed in
directly on the flash itself.

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Wednesday, March 7, 2007, 11:16:15 PM, you wrote:


GD> On Mar 7, 2007, at 10:17 PM, Jens Bladt wrote:

>> How do you get the K10D to shoot fill flash. That is less flash  
>> (fill flash)
>> light than for normal flash (main light), please?

GD> if you're using the built-in flash unit, set the flash compensation
GD> to a minus value. See page 172 in your instruction manual for  
GD> "Compensating Flash Output".

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Re: PMA: Is this a joke ?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 7, 2007, at 10:49 PM, Thibouille wrote:

> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0703/07030704leica14-150mm.asp
> Leica producing that kind of lens? Huh Smells brand image  
> depreciation to me.

Leica has been designing 12:1 zoom lenses for cameras bearing  
Panasonic and Leica names for several years now. They're excellent  
quality. I had the Panasonic FZ10 for a while, a compact 12:1  
ultrazoom camera with a 4Mpixel sensor. It made a LOT of excellent  
photos for me, including this one of the Point of Ayre Lighthouse on  
the Isle of Man:

full resolution:
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/IoM-4/PoA-lighthouse-0730usFR.jpg

It's sold several copies in 11x14 prints. "Brand image depreciation"?  
Who cares when the lenses perform like this?

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Re: K10D and fill flash

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 7, 2007, at 10:17 PM, Jens Bladt wrote:

> How do you get the K10D to shoot fill flash. That is less flash  
> (fill flash)
> light than for normal flash (main light), please?

if you're using the built-in flash unit, set the flash compensation  
to a minus value. See page 172 in your instruction manual for  
"Compensating Flash Output".

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RE: beauty shot: Pentax K10D- 17mm lenses are out there

[J. C. O'Connell]

ACR, not the newest version, I am using
with PS CS(1)
jco

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Which raw converter are you using?

J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> Well, only 8 stops out of print film has got
> to be a mistake of some sorts, I have
> seen numbers reported as high as 15 stops
> out this type of film and I know for
> a fact there is like 3 stops of LATITUDE
> alone on the good slow color neg films,
> (not to be confused with dynamic
> range )which would be impossible if there
> was only 8 stops total range.
>
> I did some tests with the DS shooting
> RAW and found that I was unable to record
> capture what I could easily see, even using
> raw. The exposure latitude with that camera is
> much smaller than color neg film.
>
> jco
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
> Of William Robb
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 3:55 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: beauty shot: Pentax K10D- 17mm lenses are out there
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Peter Lacus"
> Subject: Re: beauty shot: Pentax K10D- 17mm lenses are out there
>
>
>   
>> Bill,
>>
>> 
>>> DSLR cameras are showing 10 stops or more of dynamic range, which is

>>> about 3 stops more than that of print film, probably 5 stops more 
>>> range than slide
>>> film.
>>>   
>> IMHO there's only one definitive truth - film emulsions react to the
>> light in a different way than linear digital sensors. Indeed it's
much
>> 
>
>   
>> easier to extract useful data from digital RAW files but does it 
>> prove
>> 
>
>   
>> that digital sensor captures wider dynamic range? IMHO it proves that
>> current scanners are not capable of extracting data from the film
more
>> 
>
>   
>> than anything else.
>> 
>
> I'd have to dig out my charts from when I was learning the Zone 
> System, but my recollection is that I was never able to get more than 
> 9-10 stops out of
> B&W film without going to very exotic processing methods.
> My experience working as a QC technician in the photo lab industry
> indicated 
> to me that print film, when measured on a densitometer, was incapable
of
>
> givng more than 7-8 stops of dynamic range.
>
> My observations were not dependant on scanner limitations or paper 
> dynamic ranges, but on direct measurement of film samples using a 
> device designed
> specifically for that purpose.
>
> William Robb
>
>
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PMA: Is this a joke ?

[Thibouille]

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0703/07030704leica14-150mm.asp

Leica producing that kind of lens? Huh Smells brand image depreciation to me.

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Re: Pentax gallery : picture description

[Thibouille]

Thank you everybody for your help.

A title is OK to chose for me (even if cryptic) but titile &
description is quite harder :)

2007/3/8, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Ken's a Ford man. No joking there.:-)
>
> I titled mine as GFM-1-06 ETC
>
> Dave
>
> On 3/7/07, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I hope you're joking Ken.  I was. :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom C.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> > >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> > >Subject: Re: Pentax gallery : picture description
> > >Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:06:43 -0500
> > >
> > >Tom, there's a description area & a Title area
> > >Both require input or Pentax won't accept.
> > >
> > >
> > >"No Title" will work on one image, but then you'll a whole gallery of "No
> > >Name"
> > >Could simply number them, but Pentax might not accept an entire gallery of
> > >numbers.
> > >
> > >Kenneth Waller
> > >
> > >- Original Message -
> > >From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: RE: Pentax gallery : picture description
> > >
> > >
> > > > Picture descriptions are an arrogant way of telling the viewer how to
> > > > interpret the photo and are condescending. Just write "No Title".
> > >Better
> > > > yet, just give it a meaningless number.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tom C.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>From: Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> > > >>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> > > >>Subject: Pentax gallery : picture description
> > > >>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:11:55 +0100
> > > >>
> > > >>I have no idea about how one do put a description of a picture, usually.
> > > >>Do you say "Paris by night" or should it be longer (describing exactly
> > > >>what is on the picture) etc...
> > > >>
> > > >>I'm a bit lost.
> > > >>
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Re: PESO: Incognito

[David Mann]

On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> Things are slow on the old list tonight.

That's because you weren't invited to the new list.

> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5687917&size=lg

Sorry but photos of people eating don't do much for me.

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Re: my first impressions with the K10D

[Thibouille]

Yeah K10D supports every Pentax flash dedication. It "just" doesn't support TTL.
Even a TTL should still be dedicated on a K10D (sync speed, light in
VF etc) but will give full power.

2007/3/8, Markus Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On the digital SLR way for the first time ;-)
>
> Finally I got my K10D and kit lens today and I am very impressed so far.
> Interestingly, the K10D even sets the aperture automatically with the Pentax
> AF280T in automatic mode to F4 or F8 and the exposures are quiet good so far
> with the kit 18-55 DA lens and Pentax A lenses and  a Tamron adaptall KA
> mounted SP 17mm.
> I only set ISO to fixed 100 on the Fn menu for that.
> I'm happy when I can use my older flashes like that and will test drive them
> after tomorrow with some real close-ups on the Tamron 90mm and Pentax A50mm
> macro :-)
> Should the K10D show Firmware 1.11 after the newest update? Mine shows 1.10.
>
>
> I did not understand everything in the manual so far:
> Is it possible to bracket exposures (3 with +-2) in RAW mode or only in JPG?
>
> greetings
> Markus
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Re: Is Feisol 3371 an upgrade?

[David Mann]

On Mar 7, 2007, at 9:23 AM, Bob W wrote:

> buy a dog with telescopic wooden legs and you solve 2 problems at a
> stroke.

Get a wife who's about 1 foot shorter than yourself, and balance the  
lens on her head.

Bonus: she can carry your gear, too.

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K10D and fill flash

[Jens Bladt]

How do you get the K10D to shoot fill flash. That is less flash (fill flash)
light than for normal flash (main light), please?
Regards

Jens Bladt

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RE: Went back and reshot the damn bird!

[Jens Bladt]

Truely an excellent photograph, Paul. I love the wasy the frame is devided
in two and the bird is sitting in the midle. Very grafic.
Regards

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Emne: Re: Went back and reshot the damn bird!


Yes, I shot a lot of sky plates for stock houses. Skies sell:-).
Paul
On Mar 7, 2007, at 9:33 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:

> Do you have a collection of different skies and other backgrounds to
> use for
> photos like that one?
> There is a freeware "artificial clouds" action for Photoshop , If you
> like I
> can search for the link again...
> Markus
>
>
> -Original Message-
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>
>
> No. Second layer and some eraser work. I think I overdid the softening
> of the edges, however. May have to go back and sharpen up a bit. It
> will go to stock in this mode. Hell, most art directors replace the sky
> anyway.
> Paul
> On Mar 7, 2007, at 7:19 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote:
>
>> Channel mask?
>>
>> You devil!
>>
>> -Brendan
>> --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, so the white sky sucks. I went back and reshot
>>> that bird when the
>>> sky was better. I found him in exactly the same
>>> place. Imagine that!
>>> :-))
>>>
>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5691710&size=lg
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Re: Declined...

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/7/2007 4:47:54 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Paul Stenquist  wrote:

>Based on observation, I'd say "Ready for Review" means they  haven't 
>looked at it yet. "On hold" means they looked at it and they're  not 
>sure they want it, but they're going to hold off on declining it  until 
>they see if they get better material.

Based on observation  I'd agree with you. But it would be nice if they 
added an official  definition for it to the others they have on the site 
already. So we could  know for certain and not have to make educated 
guesses "based on  observation".


I would suspect, seriously, the Pentax  Gallery was one person's brain child. 
And, in reality, they don't have enough  people to view and judge the photos. 
Maybe just that one person. Or two or  three. So it's gonna take a while. On 
hold may literally mean on hold -- in  other words, it has not been assigned 
to a gallery yet. 

You guys are too  self depreciating.

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Re: Saturation/Sharpness/Contrast settings at "Natural" in K10D

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In a message dated 3/7/2007 6:25:56 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is there a difference quality wise  between Lightroom, Camera Raw and Pentax
Laboratory or other raw  converters?
Camera Raw seem to be the simplest for me on first sight and if  it's auto
settings are good enough I could batch process pef's with  Bridge/Photoshop,
any opinions on that?

Thanks alot and  greetings
Markus

==
I initially used a Canon Raw Convertor  with my photos. Then I got CS and 
it's Bridge (I don't have CS 2 yet). I never  noticed a tremendous difference 
between the two. However, I like the control  offered by Bridge -- it seems to 
offer more adjustments than some other  convertors. I sometimes sharpen in 
conversion, but not often, because I like  unsharpen mask better -- again more 
control. Mainly I up saturation a tad in  conversion. Saturation seems to work 
better there than later. But  YMMV.

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Re: Pentax K10D firmware update 1.11 now available

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Whether the card is in the reader or not while you're downloading  
shouldn't make any difference at all.

G

On Mar 7, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

> Thanks, Perry! Good to know.
> Did you need to have the card in the reader during the download?
>
> Jack
> --- Perry Pellechia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Jack,
>> I am no Godfrey, but I am running Vista and had no problems
>> downloading the firmware, putting it on a SD card and loading it onto
>> my K10D.
>>
>> Perry.
>>
>> On 3/7/07, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Godfrey,
>>> Please forgive my imposing on you, again, for reassurance in my
>> attempt
>>> to download and apply firmware 1.11 for Windows. As it happens, I'm
>> now
>>> running Vista, but am hoping that won't be an issue.
>>> If I download 1.11 with an SD card in the reader, may I then insert
>> the
>>> card in the K10D, turn it on and expect it to update?
>>> Probably way too simple..and yes, I'm referring to myself.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jack
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
 For Pentax K10D users:
 Looks like they fixed the trailing curtain flash synch issue that
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Re: PESO -- "Thimble Islands at Sunset"

[P. J. Alling]

I looked at the original raw files and each of them recorded it exactly 
the same way.  Which if I remember correctly the accurately recorded the 
difference in the coloring of the water between the breakwater and the 
horizon.  The transition between sea and sky is just that sharp on a 
clear day, and yes the day was clear and _cold_.

Jack Davis wrote:
> P. J.,
>
> Think I'd knock down that green thing in the center. Too bright and
> distracting.
> Don't know if anything can be done about it even if one wished too, but
> the light area along the horizon seems too sharp edged to be natural.
>
> Like it very much..otherwise.
>
> Jack
> --- Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Nice shot. Looks like a nice place.
>>
>> --
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>>  
>>
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>>> Behalf Of Christian
>>> Sent: 07 March 2007 20:20
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: PESO -- "Thimble Islands at Sunset"
>>>
>>> P. J. Alling wrote:
>>>   
 http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_tiass.html

 Equipment:
 Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax FA 70-210 f4~5.6.

 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

 
>>> I like it...  I really like the light.
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Re: Went back and reshot the damn bird!

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/7/2007 4:12:53 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Okay, so the white sky sucks.  I went back and reshot that bird when the 
sky was better. I found him in  exactly the same place. Imagine that!  
:-))
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5691710&size=lg


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Really  good PS job. Looks much better. OR... funny how he didn't move.  LOL.

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Re: Simplified PS workflow

[Boris Liberman]

Tom, as far as I understand, the PhotoShop CS2 does 2 and 3 below 
automatically if you choose "save for web" option from the menus.

Also, generally the less files you have on your desktop the faster your 
windows is. This is at least has been my experience. Personally, I have 
two hard drives on my PC. Each has a directory called "work" on the top 
most level like "c:\work" or "d:\work", etc. There I have all my stuff 
organized the way I see fit. It is also easier to backup/restore it this 
way. I just tell the backup program to backup these two directories and 
I am done.

Boris



graywolf wrote:
> 1. Resample image to 72ppi.
> 2. Change profile to sRGB.
> 3. Change image to 8 bit.
> 4. Save for Web and delete modified image.
> 
> To go with that I revised my workflow so that raw images from the camera 
> or one of the scanners go into a Raw Images folder on the Desktop. I 
> consider those to be my digital equivalent of negatives.
> 
> Using Camera Raw I convert to PSD files which go into a PSD Images 
> folder on the Desktop. These are the working images to be edited to 
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Re: PESO -- Relaxed

[P. J. Alling]

Nice dog picture.

Mike Hamilton wrote:
> Alexa, enjoying the fireplace.
>
> http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/2007/03/07/enjoying-the-warmth/
>
> K10D w/ 43LTD.
>
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Re: Went back and reshot the damn bird!

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks. I applied the lens blur to the sky layer. Seems to have helped.
Paul
On Mar 7, 2007, at 10:43 PM, David Savage wrote:

> A real PS geek would have made his own sky and clouds, not used another
> photo. :-)
>
> BTW Paul, try using the Lens blur filter to help with the
> foreground/background depth separation. It's easy enough to try if the
> original is just a series of different layers. It won't look so much 
> like a
> cut & paste job then.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> At 12:23 PM 8/03/2007, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Yep. And proud of it. Just wish I was better. But I'm still learning.
>> Paul
>> On Mar 7, 2007, at 9:57 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>>
>>> PS geek! ;-))
>>>
>>> Jack
>>> --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
 Okay, so the white sky sucks. I went back and reshot that bird when
 the
 sky was better. I found him in exactly the same place. Imagine that!
 :-))
 http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5691710&size=lg
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Re: Pentax K10D firmware update 1.11 now available

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Perry! Good to know.
Did you need to have the card in the reader during the download?

Jack
--- Perry Pellechia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jack,
> I am no Godfrey, but I am running Vista and had no problems
> downloading the firmware, putting it on a SD card and loading it onto
> my K10D.
> 
> Perry.
> 
> On 3/7/07, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Godfrey,
> > Please forgive my imposing on you, again, for reassurance in my
> attempt
> > to download and apply firmware 1.11 for Windows. As it happens, I'm
> now
> > running Vista, but am hoping that won't be an issue.
> > If I download 1.11 with an SD card in the reader, may I then insert
> the
> > card in the K10D, turn it on and expect it to update?
> > Probably way too simple..and yes, I'm referring to myself.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> > --- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > For Pentax K10D users:
> > > Looks like they fixed the trailing curtain flash synch issue that
> > > broke on v1.10
> > >
> > > http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/info/20070123e.html
> > >
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Re: Went back and reshot the damn bird!

[David Savage]

A real PS geek would have made his own sky and clouds, not used another 
photo. :-)

BTW Paul, try using the Lens blur filter to help with the 
foreground/background depth separation. It's easy enough to try if the 
original is just a series of different layers. It won't look so much like a 
cut & paste job then.

Cheers,

Dave



At 12:23 PM 8/03/2007, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>Yep. And proud of it. Just wish I was better. But I'm still learning.
>Paul
>On Mar 7, 2007, at 9:57 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>
> > PS geek! ;-))
> >
> > Jack
> > --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Okay, so the white sky sucks. I went back and reshot that bird when
> >> the
> >> sky was better. I found him in exactly the same place. Imagine that!
> >> :-))
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Re: Saturation/Sharpness/Contrast settings at "Natural" in K10D

[Doug Franklin]

Markus Maurer wrote:

> I will shoot raw only, after scanning film for years processing
> raw  is peanuts :-)

No kidding!  Especially compared to my CanoScan FS-4000.  I love the
quality of the scans, but it's *sooww* at maximum resolution.

> As far as my understanding regarding raw processing goes so far,
> as much adjustments as possible with the exception of sharpening
> and maybe denoising should be made in the converter and not later
> in Photoshop to get the least quality loss and best result, is
> that right?

That's my understanding, and that's the way I work.  Get the exposure as
close to right as I can in the camera, then handle things like levels
and brightness and white balance in the conversion.  I generally hit
them with a little sharpening during conversion, too.  I don't often
have occasion to need to denoise a digital capture.

These days, Photoshop for me is mainly a very expensive and resource
intensive way to resize and do final sharpening for the target medium,
and print.  I don't really do B&W conversions, either, but that's where
I'd probably do them, due to the fancy things you can do with layers and
blending modes.  But, now that I think about it, IrfanView or the like
could handle like 99% of my needs, now.

> Is there a difference quality wise between Lightroom, Camera Raw and
> Pentax Laboratory or other raw converters?

There are, but I'm not expert on describing them.  I tried the Lightroom
beta and it was just way too slow.  I'm not dropping US$300 based on
/that/.  I'm using an old version of Photoshop, so I haven't played with
Camera Raw.  I use the last version of Raw Shooter Essentials for shots
from the *ist D and the Pentax software for K10D images.  I'm not a big
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Re: Went back and reshot the damn bird!

[Paul Stenquist]

Yep. And proud of it. Just wish I was better. But I'm still learning.
Paul
On Mar 7, 2007, at 9:57 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

> PS geek! ;-))
>
> Jack
> --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Okay, so the white sky sucks. I went back and reshot that bird when
>> the
>> sky was better. I found him in exactly the same place. Imagine that!
>> :-))
>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5691710&size=lg
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Re: Went back and reshot the damn bird!

[Paul Stenquist]

Super Glued. Reminds me of when I shot a commercial with a frog. He was  
supposed to sit on the roof of a Neon.He kept jumping off.  I told the  
frog wrangler that we should super glue him. He didn't think it was  
funny. Some people have no sense of humor.
Paul
On Mar 7, 2007, at 9:59 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

> It's nailed to the perch!
>
> --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Okay, so the white sky sucks. I went back and reshot
>> that bird when the
>> sky was better. I found him in exactly the same
>> place. Imagine that!
>> :-))
>>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5691710&size=lg
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Re: Went back and reshot the damn bird!

[Paul Stenquist]

Yes, I shot a lot of sky plates for stock houses. Skies sell:-).
Paul
On Mar 7, 2007, at 9:33 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:

> Do you have a collection of different skies and other backgrounds to  
> use for
> photos like that one?
> There is a freeware "artificial clouds" action for Photoshop , If you  
> like I
> can search for the link again...
> Markus
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Paul Stenquist
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:43 AM
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>
>
> No. Second layer and some eraser work. I think I overdid the softening
> of the edges, however. May have to go back and sharpen up a bit. It
> will go to stock in this mode. Hell, most art directors replace the sky
> anyway.
> Paul
> On Mar 7, 2007, at 7:19 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote:
>
>> Channel mask?
>>
>> You devil!
>>
>> -Brendan
>> --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, so the white sky sucks. I went back and reshot
>>> that bird when the
>>> sky was better. I found him in exactly the same
>>> place. Imagine that!
>>> :-))
>>>
>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5691710&size=lg
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Re: Pentax K10D firmware update 1.11 now available

[Perry Pellechia]

Jack,
I am no Godfrey, but I am running Vista and had no problems
downloading the firmware, putting it on a SD card and loading it onto
my K10D.

Perry.

On 3/7/07, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Godfrey,
> Please forgive my imposing on you, again, for reassurance in my attempt
> to download and apply firmware 1.11 for Windows. As it happens, I'm now
> running Vista, but am hoping that won't be an issue.
> If I download 1.11 with an SD card in the reader, may I then insert the
> card in the K10D, turn it on and expect it to update?
> Probably way too simple..and yes, I'm referring to myself.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jack
>
>
> --- Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > For Pentax K10D users:
> > Looks like they fixed the trailing curtain flash synch issue that
> > broke on v1.10
> >
> > http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/info/20070123e.html
> >
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Re: PESO:The Missing link

[P. J. Alling]

Very snappy now.

Bob W wrote:
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> can you try this please? You'll need to flush your buffers first
>>>   
> to
>   
>>> force a visit to my server.
>>>
>>> http://www.web-options.com/Phone/
>>>
>>>   
>> Whips through them now.  Noticably quicker, even though it 
>> was behaving 
>> this evening.  I'll try it from work tomorrow and report back.
>>
>> 
>
> thanks. I've just now republished the main Staithes site, so it would
> help if you could check that too - it's derived from large raw files
> rather than dinky camera jpegs.
>
> http://web-options.com/Staithes2007/
>
> Thanks for pointing the problem out and helping to resolve it.
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Re: Went back and reshot the damn bird!

[P. J. Alling]

Nice sky, the bird however...

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Okay, so the white sky sucks. I went back and reshot that bird when the 
> sky was better. I found him in exactly the same place. Imagine that! 
> :-))
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5691710&size=lg
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Re: Pentax K10D firmware update 1.11 now available

[Jack Davis]

Godfrey,
Please forgive my imposing on you, again, for reassurance in my attempt
to download and apply firmware 1.11 for Windows. As it happens, I'm now
running Vista, but am hoping that won't be an issue.
If I download 1.11 with an SD card in the reader, may I then insert the
card in the K10D, turn it on and expect it to update?
Probably way too simple..and yes, I'm referring to myself.

Thanks!

Jack


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> For Pentax K10D users:
> Looks like they fixed the trailing curtain flash synch issue that  
> broke on v1.10
> 
> http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/info/20070123e.html
> 
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Re: Went back and reshot the damn bird!

[Rick Womer]

It's nailed to the perch!

--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Okay, so the white sky sucks. I went back and reshot
> that bird when the 
> sky was better. I found him in exactly the same
> place. Imagine that! 
> :-))
>
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Re: Went back and reshot the damn bird!

[Jack Davis]

PS geek! ;-))

Jack
--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Okay, so the white sky sucks. I went back and reshot that bird when
> the 
> sky was better. I found him in exactly the same place. Imagine that! 
> :-))
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Re: test

[John Celio]

> YABT

You Are Baiting, True?

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Re: Pentax gallery : picture description

[David J Brooks]

Ken's a Ford man. No joking there.:-)

I titled mine as GFM-1-06 ETC

Dave

On 3/7/07, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I hope you're joking Ken.  I was. :-)
>
>
>
> Tom C.
>
>
> >From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >Subject: Re: Pentax gallery : picture description
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> >Tom, there's a description area & a Title area
> >Both require input or Pentax won't accept.
> >
> >
> >"No Title" will work on one image, but then you'll a whole gallery of "No
> >Name"
> >Could simply number them, but Pentax might not accept an entire gallery of
> >numbers.
> >
> >Kenneth Waller
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: Pentax gallery : picture description
> >
> >
> > > Picture descriptions are an arrogant way of telling the viewer how to
> > > interpret the photo and are condescending. Just write "No Title".
> >Better
> > > yet, just give it a meaningless number.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tom C.
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: Thibouille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> > >>To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> > >>Subject: Pentax gallery : picture description
> > >>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:11:55 +0100
> > >>
> > >>I have no idea about how one do put a description of a picture, usually.
> > >>Do you say "Paris by night" or should it be longer (describing exactly
> > >>what is on the picture) etc...
> > >>
> > >>I'm a bit lost.
> > >>
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Re: OT: Nikon D3

[David J Brooks]

Like a Hoy, Hoy, Hoya clock.

Apologise to every Blues artist in the world

Dave



On 3/7/07, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 08:06:35AM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:
> > Doug Franklin wrote:
> >
> > >Tom C wrote:
> > >> Well yeah.  I've known people like Ken Rockwell.  Odds are that when
> > one
> > >> talks that much, they are bound to be right about something every once
> > in a
> > >> while. :-)
> > >
> > >I made this comment in a different venue recently, but it applies (to
> > >Kenny) in any venue:
> > >
> > >Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
> > >
> > >Yeah, analog clocks, you young turks. :-)
> >
> > Ken is much more similar to a stopped *digital* clock...
>
> Naah - he's one of those fake plastic clocks you see in furniture stores.
> He might look like the real thing on the surface, but as soon as you take
> a closer look you realise it's all superficial, with no real function.
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Re: Saturation/Sharpness/Contrast settings at "Natural" in K10D

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 7, 2007, at 6:19 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:

> ... As far as my understanding regarding raw processing goes so  
> far, as much
> adjustments as possible with the exception of sharpening and maybe  
> denoising
> should be made in the converter and not later in Photoshop to get  
> the least
> quality loss and best result, is that right?

If you work in PHotoshop CS2/Camera Raw/Bridge, as close as you can  
get to final results with the RAW conversion processing before  
editing in Photoshop proper is the right way to go. I never do  
sharpening in Camera Raw ... CS2's Smart Sharpen filter is much more  
adept. Sharpening in Camera Raw I have set for preview only. Most of  
the time I have had no need for noise reduction other than a very  
minor tweak in Camera Raw, but again PS CS2 has noise reduction and  
there are plenty of plugins.

With Lightroom, I find that I only need to do further adjustment in  
CS2 about 5% of the time so I complete most of my work in Lightroom  
and then edit a rendered copy of the file in CS2 only when necessary.

> Is there a difference quality wise between Lightroom, Camera Raw  
> and Pentax
> Laboratory or other raw converters?

Subject of much debate. Lightroom and Camera Raw share almost all  
their RAW conversion algorithms under the covers. Pentax Lab/Browser  
uses the Silkypix conversion engine, but is a piece of junk as far as  
useability goes. Silkypix' user interface is utterly impenetrable to  
me ... total garbage ... but some folks love its rendering. There are  
other choices as well.

My testing put out the best A3 prints with Lightroom, even better  
than I was getting with PS CS2/Bridge/CR, so that's what's doing most  
of my work now.

> Camera Raw seem to be the simplest for me on first sight and if  
> it's auto
> settings are good enough I could batch process pef's with Bridge/ 
> Photoshop,
> any opinions on that?

It is very rare that the auto-defaults of any of these things produce  
the best results. By and large, I built up my own set of defaults for  
Camera Raw and automated most of the grunt work of my image  
processing with PS CS2/Bridge/CR for a couple of years to very good  
results. Now I'm using Lightroom and finding it about 3-5x more  
productive as an environment, and FAR more productive on printing,  
sorting, assembling, making publishable/saleable sets of photos.

There are no easy answers. Learning image processing and workflow  
takes time and effort, study. What works best for one person may be  
anathema to another. Needs differ.

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Re: More dog pictures

[David J Brooks]

As in my privat eemail, Bill, lovely shots. I really Like Bella

Dave

On 3/5/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A bunch of snow, a couple of bored dogs, and a sunny afternoon made
> yesterday a great day to be me.
> I ended up machinegunning almost 300 shots in 15 or so minutes of my
> fellas barrelling around the yard. These were the best of the lot.
>
> Shot with the DA70mm LTD on the K10.
>
>  http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/fellas/bella/mar0407.html
>  http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/fellas/page3/page3.html
>
> Have fun
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RE: Went back and reshot the damn bird!

[Markus Maurer]

Do you have a collection of different skies and other backgrounds to use for
photos like that one?
There is a freeware "artificial clouds" action for Photoshop , If you like I
can search for the link again...
Markus


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No. Second layer and some eraser work. I think I overdid the softening
of the edges, however. May have to go back and sharpen up a bit. It
will go to stock in this mode. Hell, most art directors replace the sky
anyway.
Paul
On Mar 7, 2007, at 7:19 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote:

> Channel mask?
>
> You devil!
>
> -Brendan
> --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Okay, so the white sky sucks. I went back and reshot
>> that bird when the
>> sky was better. I found him in exactly the same
>> place. Imagine that!
>> :-))
>>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5691710&size=lg
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Re: Signing

[David J Brooks]

If you make it to GFM this year, and camp next to me and Knarf, you'll
be asleep before you know it.

Dave

On 3/6/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's a carefully developed skill:-). I am put to sleep by pretty
> pictures of beautiful people.
> Paul
> On Mar 6, 2007, at 10:41 PM, William Robb wrote:
>
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Paul Stenquist"
> > Subject: PESO: Signing
> >
> >
> >> Hey, why stop now? Another pic from the same afternoon in the same
> >> coffee shop. But totally different light. Same lens: the DA 50-200
> >> workhorse. This lady isn't giving her friend the finger.
> >> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5687954&size=lg
> >
> > You seem to have a penchant for catching people at their worst.
> >
> > William Robb
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RE: Simplified PS workflow

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Graywolf
putting real documents or images on the desktop is a bad habit IMHO. You
should only have links/aliases there.
As a rule you should separate programs and data files on different
partitions .
Windows and programs on c:, documents and images in different folders on d:.
That way just have to backup d: and make an image of c: to d: with ghost or
a similar program from time to time and burn that image to dvd.
Of course you have to manually tell/force some programs like Outlook/Express
or finance programs to safe  data on d:

Your action does not sharpen the photos after resizing. I would do that as
step 3.


greetings
Markus





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Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:37 AM
To: PDML
Subject: Simplified PS workflow


A follow up on my recent Save For Web thread.

I did set up an action (turned out to be quite simple) to do the following:

1. Resample image to 72ppi.
2. Change profile to sRGB.
3. Change image to 8 bit.
4. Save for Web and delete modified image.

To go with that I revised my workflow so that raw images from the camera
or one of the scanners go into a Raw Images folder on the Desktop. I
consider those to be my digital equivalent of negatives.

Using Camera Raw I convert to PSD files which go into a PSD Images
folder on the Desktop. These are the working images to be edited to
final print form.

Anything for the web is now converted by the action above and saved into
a Web Images folder (also on the desktop). Which can be done by hitting
 on an open image or by running the action on the PSD Image folder
as a batch and converting all of them.

Once I am through selecting them the Web Images I want to use go to an
appropriate folder in my Webpage archive to be uploaded, and the batch
is deleted from the Web Images folder (remember it is as simple as
hitting  to recreate them). PSD images get saved to am appropriate
subfolder in my Photos Partition, and the raw images get archived.

Seems to be working well so far.

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Re: Pentax Gallery

[David J Brooks]

I just submitted four of , what i think, are my best from GFM 2005/2006.

Doug, you can go to sleep now. Mine will be discarded whist yours
shall remain.:-)

Dave

On 3/7/07, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks David ... request submitted, perhaps even correctly.
>
> Shel
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: David Savage
>
> > 
> >
> > 
> >
> > Check the archives from a month or so ago (or a few days ago "Declined"
> > thread I think. Jack Davis was asking the same question). You need to
> send
> > an email to request an access code to be able to submit photos.
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RE: Saturation/Sharpness/Contrast settings at "Natural" in K10D

[Markus Maurer]

Thanks Godfrey, Bob and Doug.
I see now, these settings only affect JPG..
I will shoot raw only, after scanning film for years processing raw  is
peanuts :-)
As far as my understanding regarding raw processing goes so far, as much
adjustments as possible with the exception of sharpening and maybe denoising
should be made in the converter and not later in Photoshop to get the least
quality loss and best result, is that right?
Is there a difference quality wise between Lightroom, Camera Raw and Pentax
Laboratory or other raw converters?
Camera Raw seem to be the simplest for me on first sight and if it's auto
settings are good enough I could batch process pef's with Bridge/Photoshop,
any opinions on that?

Thanks alot and greetings
Markus





more that 3 rolls of film on a 2gb card

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Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:51 AM
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Subject: Re: Saturation/Sharpness/Contrast settings at "Natural" in K10D


Since I capture using RAW format 99.9% of the time, all the image
processing settings like sharpness, contrast, white balance, etc are
almost entirely irrelevant.

I suggest you leave the settings at the defaults and then experiment
if you're unhappy with some aspect of how they render the image. Or
switch to RAW and do it all yourself. ;-)

Godfrey

On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:

> What are your experiences with the settings for saturation,
> sharpness and
> contrast so far?
> Can I just leave them at the default natural setting or would I
> even get
> better results lowering for ex. in camera sharpening (and/or
> saturation/contrast) and doing that as the last step in Photoshop
> after all
> other adjustments? I prefer natural, not oversaturated and
> oversharpened
> photos, that's why I ask :-)
>
> Just got the camera yesterday and had not enough time for
> experiments beside
> flashing with the AF280T


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Re: hmm. Lensbabies for Pentax 645

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I have one in Canon EOS mount. Used it for a time but it became too  
much of a gimmick... I agree. It's going up for sale, along with the  
last bits of my Canon stuff.

G

On Mar 7, 2007, at 5:45 PM, Juan Buhler wrote:

> I have a lensbabie. Besides the stupid name, it is kind of a gimmick.
> Some people really make that look work, but the pictures I've taken
> with it, and I think most pictures taken with it are tired and cliche.
>
> j
>
> On 3/7/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Announced at PMA ...
>>
>> http://www.pma-show.com/0163/lensbabies/slrlens/speciallens/


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Re: Pentax Gallery

[Shel Belinkoff]

Thanks David ... request submitted, perhaps even correctly.

Shel


> [Original Message]
> From: David Savage 

> 
>
> 
>
> Check the archives from a month or so ago (or a few days ago "Declined" 
> thread I think. Jack Davis was asking the same question). You need to
send 
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Re: Pentax Gallery

[David Savage]

Check the archives from a month or so ago (or a few days ago "Declined" 
thread I think. Jack Davis was asking the same question). You need to send 
an email to request an access code to be able to submit photos.

I'm at work so I don't have access to all the information at the moment.

Cheers,

Dave


At 10:11 AM 8/03/2007, Shel Belinkoff" wrote:
>What's this Pentax Gallery that's been discussed here the past few days?
>Where can I find information about it?


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Re: hmm. Lensbabies for Pentax 645

[Juan Buhler]

I have a lensbabie. Besides the stupid name, it is kind of a gimmick.
Some people really make that look work, but the pictures I've taken
with it, and I think most pictures taken with it are tired and cliche.

j

On 3/7/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Announced at PMA ...
>
> http://www.pma-show.com/0163/lensbabies/slrlens/speciallens/
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Re: Went back and reshot the damn bird!

[Paul Stenquist]

Who told you it was a fake bird? Dammit, I bet it was Cotty!
Paul
On Mar 7, 2007, at 7:26 PM, Tom C wrote:

> That's one of those little fake birds from the craft store. :-)
>
> Yes it's better.
>
> Tom C.
>
>
>
>> From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Subject: Went back and reshot the damn bird!
>> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:05:23 -0500
>>
>> Okay, so the white sky sucks. I went back and reshot that bird when 
>> the
>> sky was better. I found him in exactly the same place. Imagine that!
>> :-))
>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5691710&size=lg
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Re: Went back and reshot the damn bird!

[Paul Stenquist]

No. Second layer and some eraser work. I think I overdid the softening  
of the edges, however. May have to go back and sharpen up a bit. It  
will go to stock in this mode. Hell, most art directors replace the sky  
anyway.
Paul
On Mar 7, 2007, at 7:19 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote:

> Channel mask?
>
> You devil!
>
> -Brendan
> --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Okay, so the white sky sucks. I went back and reshot
>> that bird when the
>> sky was better. I found him in exactly the same
>> place. Imagine that!
>> :-))
>>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5691710&size=lg
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Re: GESO: It Happened on Woodward

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Brandan. Interestingly enough, Cell Lady was shot with the much  
maligned Pentax 80-320.
Paul
On Mar 7, 2007, at 7:15 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote:

> Birmingham Gentleman, Cell Lady, Chimping...all gems,
> Paul.
>
> -Brendan
> --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> This is a rather large collection of photos taken on
>> a half mile
>> stretch of suburban Detroit's Old Woodward Avenue.
>> It will hopefully
>> end up as an eight to twelve shot gallery show and
>> magazine article. I
>> may decide to convert more shots to BW. I might make
>> the set all BW, or
>> I might make it all color. I have a few in mind that
>> are definitely in,
>> but I'm still trying to make my picks. I've shown
>> the whole set to the
>> gallery owner, and is working on a selection. The
>> only definition here
>> is that the pics were shot on Woodward. They're not
>> necessarily street
>> photography (a term I dislike almost as much as
>> voyeuristic). Some are
>> portraits, some are candids of unaware subjects,
>> some are candids of
>> people who saw the camera. It runs the range.
>> Anyway, the whole kit and
>> kaboodle is here:
>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=703152
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Simplified PS workflow

[graywolf]

A follow up on my recent Save For Web thread.

I did set up an action (turned out to be quite simple) to do the following:

1. Resample image to 72ppi.
2. Change profile to sRGB.
3. Change image to 8 bit.
4. Save for Web and delete modified image.

To go with that I revised my workflow so that raw images from the camera 
or one of the scanners go into a Raw Images folder on the Desktop. I 
consider those to be my digital equivalent of negatives.

Using Camera Raw I convert to PSD files which go into a PSD Images 
folder on the Desktop. These are the working images to be edited to 
final print form.

Anything for the web is now converted by the action above and saved into 
a Web Images folder (also on the desktop). Which can be done by hitting 
 on an open image or by running the action on the PSD Image folder 
as a batch and converting all of them.

Once I am through selecting them the Web Images I want to use go to an 
appropriate folder in my Webpage archive to be uploaded, and the batch 
is deleted from the Web Images folder (remember it is as simple as 
hitting  to recreate them). PSD images get saved to am appropriate 
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Re: hmm. Lensbabies for Pentax 645

[Adam Maas]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> Announced at PMA ...
> 
> http://www.pma-show.com/0163/lensbabies/slrlens/speciallens/
> 
> G
> 

And a Tamron SP 70-200 f2.8 in K mount. Finally another option in that 
range to the Sigma.

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Pentax Gallery

[Shel Belinkoff]

What's this Pentax Gallery that's been discussed here the past few days? 
Where can I find information about it?


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Re: Saturation/Sharpness/Contrast settings at "Natural" in K10D

[Doug Franklin]

Markus Maurer wrote:

> What are your experiences with the settings for saturation,
> sharpness and contrast so far?

Personally, I just shoot PEFs and worry about that stuff in post.

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Re: Saturation/Sharpness/Contrast settings at "Natural" in K10D

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Since I capture using RAW format 99.9% of the time, all the image  
processing settings like sharpness, contrast, white balance, etc are  
almost entirely irrelevant.

I suggest you leave the settings at the defaults and then experiment  
if you're unhappy with some aspect of how they render the image. Or  
switch to RAW and do it all yourself. ;-)

Godfrey

On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:

> What are your experiences with the settings for saturation,  
> sharpness and
> contrast so far?
> Can I just leave them at the default natural setting or would I  
> even get
> better results lowering for ex. in camera sharpening (and/or
> saturation/contrast) and doing that as the last step in Photoshop  
> after all
> other adjustments? I prefer natural, not oversaturated and  
> oversharpened
> photos, that's why I ask :-)
>
> Just got the camera yesterday and had not enough time for  
> experiments beside
> flashing with the AF280T


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RE: Soggy postcards

[Tim Øsleby]

Thanks for the free journey to the Staiths Bob. It sure looks like a nice
place. 

And this reminds me. My UK trip is cancelled, because my son is kicked out
of the country. So this time it is no reason for us to go. 
It may not be totally off, but it is on hold. 


Tim Typo
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

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Subject: Soggy postcards

Hi,

here is a little gallery of photos from my trip this week to Staithes
and the cliffs round about:

http://www.web-options.com/photos/

You may notice that I had a small problem with driving rain and
condensation on some of them. Once I'd decided to take the filter off
the condensation went away, but the rain didn't. I quite like the
effect on some of the pictures, so I've included them. I wouldn't
normally resort to soft focus, but I bought a splash-proof camera, so
I'm damn well gonna get it wet!

One or two of the other pictures are also a bit soft, from long
exposure times, badly supported. I took my Leitz table-top tripod but
it's really not much use without a table-top... So next time I'll take
one. Or a proper tripod.

See if you can spot the 2 where I thought of the PDML.

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RE: Saturation/Sharpness/Contrast settings at "Natural" in K10D

[Bob W]

if you shoot raw those settings are irrelevant.

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
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> Sent: 08 March 2007 00:37
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> Subject: Saturation/Sharpness/Contrast settings at "Natural" in K10D
> 
> Hi K10D users
> 
> What are your experiences with the settings for saturation, 
> sharpness and
> contrast so far?
> Can I just leave them at the default natural setting or would 
> I even get
> better results lowering for ex. in camera sharpening (and/or
> saturation/contrast) and doing that as the last step in 
> Photoshop after all
> other adjustments? I prefer natural, not oversaturated and 
> oversharpened
> photos, that's why I ask :-)
> 
> Just got the camera yesterday and had not enough time for 
> experiments beside
> flashing with the AF280T
> 
> greetings
> Markus
> 
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Re: Declined...

[Mark Roberts]

Paul Stenquist wrote:

>Based on observation, I'd say "Ready for Review" means they haven't 
>looked at it yet. "On hold" means they looked at it and they're not 
>sure they want it, but they're going to hold off on declining it until 
>they see if they get better material.

Based on observation I'd agree with you. But it would be nice if they 
added an official definition for it to the others they have on the site 
already. So we could know for certain and not have to make educated 
guesses "based on observation".

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Re: my first impressions with the K10D

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:13 PM, Markus Maurer wrote:

> Should the K10D show Firmware 1.11 after the newest update? Mine  
> shows 1.10.

Yes.

> Is it possible to bracket exposures (3 with +-2) in RAW mode or  
> only in JPG?

Yes, either RAW or JPEG. or RAW+JPEG.

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RE: PESO:The Missing link

[Bob W]

> > Mike,
> > 
> > can you try this please? You'll need to flush your buffers first
to
> > force a visit to my server.
> > 
> > http://www.web-options.com/Phone/
> > 
> 
> Whips through them now.  Noticably quicker, even though it 
> was behaving 
> this evening.  I'll try it from work tomorrow and report back.
> 

thanks. I've just now republished the main Staithes site, so it would
help if you could check that too - it's derived from large raw files
rather than dinky camera jpegs.

http://web-options.com/Staithes2007/

Thanks for pointing the problem out and helping to resolve it.

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Saturation/Sharpness/Contrast settings at "Natural" in K10D

[Markus Maurer]

Hi K10D users

What are your experiences with the settings for saturation, sharpness and
contrast so far?
Can I just leave them at the default natural setting or would I even get
better results lowering for ex. in camera sharpening (and/or
saturation/contrast) and doing that as the last step in Photoshop after all
other adjustments? I prefer natural, not oversaturated and oversharpened
photos, that's why I ask :-)

Just got the camera yesterday and had not enough time for experiments beside
flashing with the AF280T

greetings
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RE: Went back and reshot the damn bird!

[Tom C]

That's one of those little fake birds from the craft store. :-)

Yes it's better.

Tom C.



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>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:05:23 -0500
>
>Okay, so the white sky sucks. I went back and reshot that bird when the
>sky was better. I found him in exactly the same place. Imagine that!
>:-))
>http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5691710&size=lg
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Re: Went back and reshot the damn bird!

[Brendan MacRae]

Channel mask?

You devil!

-Brendan
--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Okay, so the white sky sucks. I went back and reshot
> that bird when the 
> sky was better. I found him in exactly the same
> place. Imagine that! 
> :-))
>
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5691710&size=lg
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Don't get soaked.  Take a quick peek at the forecast
with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather

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my first impressions with the K10D

[Markus Maurer]

On the digital SLR way for the first time ;-)

Finally I got my K10D and kit lens today and I am very impressed so far.
Interestingly, the K10D even sets the aperture automatically with the Pentax
AF280T in automatic mode to F4 or F8 and the exposures are quiet good so far
with the kit 18-55 DA lens and Pentax A lenses and  a Tamron adaptall KA
mounted SP 17mm.
I only set ISO to fixed 100 on the Fn menu for that.
I'm happy when I can use my older flashes like that and will test drive them
after tomorrow with some real close-ups on the Tamron 90mm and Pentax A50mm
macro :-)
Should the K10D show Firmware 1.11 after the newest update? Mine shows 1.10.


I did not understand everything in the manual so far:
Is it possible to bracket exposures (3 with +-2) in RAW mode or only in JPG?

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Re: GESO: It Happened on Woodward

[Brendan MacRae]

Birmingham Gentleman, Cell Lady, Chimping...all gems,
Paul.

-Brendan
--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is a rather large collection of photos taken on
> a half mile 
> stretch of suburban Detroit's Old Woodward Avenue.
> It will hopefully 
> end up as an eight to twelve shot gallery show and
> magazine article. I 
> may decide to convert more shots to BW. I might make
> the set all BW, or 
> I might make it all color. I have a few in mind that
> are definitely in, 
> but I'm still trying to make my picks. I've shown
> the whole set to the 
> gallery owner, and is working on a selection. The
> only definition here 
> is that the pics were shot on Woodward. They're not
> necessarily street 
> photography (a term I dislike almost as much as
> voyeuristic). Some are 
> portraits, some are candids of unaware subjects,
> some are candids of 
> people who saw the camera. It runs the range.
> Anyway, the whole kit and 
> kaboodle is here:
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=703152
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Went back and reshot the damn bird!

[Paul Stenquist]

Okay, so the white sky sucks. I went back and reshot that bird when the 
sky was better. I found him in exactly the same place. Imagine that! 
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Re: PESO:The Missing link

[mike wilson]

Bob W wrote:
> Mike,
> 
> can you try this please? You'll need to flush your buffers first to
> force a visit to my server.
> 
> http://www.web-options.com/Phone/
> 

Whips through them now.  Noticably quicker, even though it was behaving 
this evening.  I'll try it from work tomorrow and report back.

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RE: PESO:Pentax M28 F3.5

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Bruce
thanks for the comment.
I agree that more of the sky would have been better instead of the dark
water.
Still, a crop of the photo will be used for a tourist prospect for a night
stroll in the old city part of Zurich and the dark part will be filled with
text :-)
greetings
Markus


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Subject: Re: PESO:Pentax M28 F3.5


Rather nice shot.  Tough to get exposure right on film.  There is a
real nice sky - for me, the bottom of the picture has water with
little detail, so I would like to see less of that and more sky.
Perhaps with this shot, just a small crop off the bottom.  Anyway,
nice work.

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Saturday, March 3, 2007, 11:05:43 AM, you wrote:

MM> I made some night photos last week with the Pentax M28mm 3.5 and will
really
MM> miss the wide lenses on the K10D I get next week!
MM> So I just had to use the description of that poor little lens as title
and
MM> tribute here ;-)

MM> View over the river Limmat. Churches Fraumunster and St. Peter, Ricoh
MM> KR-10x, mini tripod, Pentax M 28mm 3.5, superia 100, F11, some seconds:

MM> http://www.mypage.bluewin.ch/solicom/zhnacht.jpg  ;-)

MM> greetings
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Re: PESO -- "Thimble Islands at Sunset"

[Paul Stenquist]

Oooh, I like t his. Missed it earlier. I'd just go ahead and clone that  
buoy out of there.
Paul
On Mar 7, 2007, at 6:33 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

> It's a navigational buoy, a "black" can.  The coast guard started
> painting them green about 25 years ago, takes all of the challenge out
> of finding them in poor visibility situations
>
> I thought of doing that, maybe changing it back to black.
>
> Jack Davis wrote:
>> P. J.,
>>
>> Think I'd knock down that green thing in the center. Too bright and
>> distracting.
>> Don't know if anything can be done about it even if one wished too,  
>> but
>> the light area along the horizon seems too sharp edged to be natural.
>>
>> Like it very much..otherwise.
>>
>> Jack
>> --- Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Nice shot. Looks like a nice place.
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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 Sent: 07 March 2007 20:20
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 Subject: Re: PESO -- "Thimble Islands at Sunset"

 P. J. Alling wrote:

> http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_tiass.html
>
> Equipment:
> Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax FA 70-210 f4~5.6.
>
> As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
>
>
 I like it...  I really like the light.

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>>
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PESO -- Relaxed

[Mike Hamilton]

Alexa, enjoying the fireplace.

http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/2007/03/07/enjoying-the-warmth/

K10D w/ 43LTD.

Comments, critiques welcome.
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Re: PESO:The Missing link

[P. J. Alling]

No problem, I think I'm being too sensitive today.

Bob W wrote:
> I know you weren't complaining, just being helpful. Sorry if my reply
> sounded snappy or anything, it wasn't meant to be.
>
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>  
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>> Behalf Of P. J. Alling
>> Sent: 07 March 2007 23:08
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: PESO:The Missing link
>>
>> I wasn't complaining, just pointing out that the speed downloading 
>> directly wasn't much faster than downloading the whole page.  
>> It's a bit 
>> slower than some other peoples pages, most of the time, and a 
>> lot slower 
>> some of the time.  The Java doesn't seem to slow it down that much.
>>
>> Bob W wrote:
>> 
>>> I have tried my site from 3 different PCs on 3 different 
>>>   
>> networks, and
>> 
>>> my experience has been the same on all of them: the background
>>> displays immediately, the thumbnail pages take 2-5 seconds 
>>>   
>> to display
>> 
>>> fully, the large files take about 1 second to display fully.
>>> Displaying the .jpg without all the surrounding gubbins 
>>>   
>> takes about 1
>> 
>>> second. Two of the PCs/networks I've tried it on are behind
>>>   
> banking
>   
>>> levels of security. One on of them each page round-trip involves a
>>> trip out of Europe and back again.
>>>
>>> These response times for me are in line with most other pdmlers'
>>> sites, including yours, Peter. Some peoples' sites are very
>>> significantly slower for me; others won't load at all, but 
>>>   
>> I attribute
>> 
>>> that to my strict security policies.
>>>
>>> I've even browsed my site with my mobile phone (Windows Mobile),
>>>   
> and
>   
>>> not had a particularly slow experience.
>>>
>>> There isn't enough information for me to go on to make things
>>>   
> better
>   
>>> for the people who've had slow responses from the site. The
>>> information people have given me isn't enough to determine whether
>>> there's a genuine problem that I can do something about, if 
>>>   
>> so whether
>> 
>>> it's my ISP, whether it's the fact that I'm using Lightroom, or
>>> whether there's some problem at your end.
>>>
>>> Cannot reproduce the problem, as IT guys like to say.
>>>
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>>>  
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
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 Sent: 07 March 2007 20:31
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 Not all that fast.

 Bob W wrote:
 
 
> what's it like if you try to download the file directly, 
>   
>   
 bypassing all
 
 
> the html and javascript?
>
>
>   
>   
> http://www.web-options.com/Phone/content/bin/images/large/IMAGE_00026.
>   
>>>   
>>>   
> jpg ?
>
>
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>  
>
>   
>   
>   
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>> Behalf Of William Robb
>> Sent: 06 March 2007 23:00
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: PESO:The Missing link
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "mike wilson"
>> Subject: Re: PESO:The Missing link
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Bob W wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>>>   
 In England bicycle wheels turn into autumn leaves:

 
> http://www.web-options.com/Phone/content/IMAGE_00026_large.html
>   
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>>> Since you started to use Lightroom to make your web pages, 
>>>   
>>>   
>>>   
>> your site has
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> become remarkably slow.  The background loads immediately 
>>>   
>>>   
>>>   
>> but the thumbs
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> and pictures take ages.
>>>   
>>>   
>>>   
>> It's like having a dedicated dial up connection just for his 
>> website, isn't 
>> it?
>>
>> William Robb 
>>
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>>>   
>>>

Declined...

[Walter Hamler]

Mark Roberts wrote:
"And though one of my rejected photos was taken with the Pentax (Tamron) 
28-200, the other two were shot with the SMC-F 100/2.8 Macro."

Is that lens listed in the pull down menu?

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Re: Declined...

[Paul Stenquist]

Based on observation, I'd say "Ready for Review" means they haven't 
looked at it yet. "On hold" means they looked at it and they're not 
sure they want it, but they're going to hold off on declining it until 
they see if they get better material.
Paul
On Mar 7, 2007, at 6:22 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

> Doug Brewer wrote:
>
>> Walter Hamler wrote:
>>> Well, at least they are doing something with the gallery. I had
> submitted 11
>>> photos that were all tenatively accepted. This AM they show 6 in the
>>> Gallery, 1 in the Collection, 3 on hold, and 1 Declined.
>>> The declined shot was shot with a 135 SMC-M lens but they did not 
>>> have
> a 135
>>> in the selection menu, so I had it listed as unknown. I suspect that
> they
>>> don't want "unknowns" in the final gallery.
>>
>> meanwhile, most of mine remain in limbo. I can picture the judges
>> praying for more photos to arrive so they don't have to include mine.
>
> Meanwhile, I just wish they'd clarify the difference between "Ready for
> Review" and "On hold".
>
> And though one of my rejected photos was taken with the Pentax (Tamron)
> 28-200, the other two were shot with the SMC-F 100/2.8 Macro.
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Re: PESO -- "Thimble Islands at Sunset"

[P. J. Alling]

It's a navigational buoy, a "black" can.  The coast guard started 
painting them green about 25 years ago, takes all of the challenge out 
of finding them in poor visibility situations

I thought of doing that, maybe changing it back to black.

Jack Davis wrote:
> P. J.,
>
> Think I'd knock down that green thing in the center. Too bright and
> distracting.
> Don't know if anything can be done about it even if one wished too, but
> the light area along the horizon seems too sharp edged to be natural.
>
> Like it very much..otherwise.
>
> Jack
> --- Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Nice shot. Looks like a nice place.
>>
>> --
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>>  
>>
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> Behalf Of Christian
>>> Sent: 07 March 2007 20:20
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: PESO -- "Thimble Islands at Sunset"
>>>
>>> P. J. Alling wrote:
>>>   
 http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_tiass.html

 Equipment:
 Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax FA 70-210 f4~5.6.

 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

 
>>> I like it...  I really like the light.
>>>
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Re: PESO (well not really) No Fun Allowed

[Paul Stenquist]

Yeah, I kind of figured that:-).
Paul
On Mar 7, 2007, at 6:29 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

> Nudity falls under a Connecticut General statute and doesn't have to be
> posted to be enforced.
>
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Nudity is apparently okay as well. Who says they're no fun?
>> Paul
>> On Mar 7, 2007, at 5:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In a message dated 3/7/2007 12:32:44 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time,
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>> Photographed at the  local town  beach.
>>>
>>> http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/nfa.html
>>>
>>>
>>> ==
>>> Seems  they covered just about everything, except... photography.
>>>
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Re: PESO:The Missing link

[P. J. Alling]

Loads a bit faster now.


Bob W wrote:
> Mike,
>
> can you try this please? You'll need to flush your buffers first to
> force a visit to my server.
>
> http://www.web-options.com/Phone/
>
> --
>  Bob
>  
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>> Behalf Of mike wilson
>> Sent: 07 March 2007 22:19
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: PESO:The Missing link
>>
>> Bob W wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> what's it like if you try to download the file directly, 
>>>   
>> bypassing all
>> 
>>> the html and javascript?
>>>
>>>
>>>   
> http://www.web-options.com/Phone/content/bin/images/large/IMAGE_00026.
>   
>>> jpg ?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>  Bob
>>>   
>> About a second to two.  It's a big file, though.  350k according to 
>> properties.  Probably an order too big by my thinking.  Are 
>> the thumbs 
>> just resized full files?
>>
>> 
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of William Robb
 Sent: 06 March 2007 23:00
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: PESO:The Missing link


 - Original Message - 
 From: "mike wilson"
 Subject: Re: PESO:The Missing link



 
> Bob W wrote:
>
>
>   
>> In England bicycle wheels turn into autumn leaves:
>> http://www.web-options.com/Phone/content/IMAGE_00026_large.html
>>
>> --
>> Bob
>> 
> Since you started to use Lightroom to make your web pages, 
>   
 your site has

 
> become remarkably slow.  The background loads immediately 
>   
 but the thumbs

 
> and pictures take ages.
>   
 It's like having a dedicated dial up connection just for his 
 website, isn't 
 it?

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RE: PESO:The Missing link

[Bob W]

I know you weren't complaining, just being helpful. Sorry if my reply
sounded snappy or anything, it wasn't meant to be.

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of P. J. Alling
> Sent: 07 March 2007 23:08
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: PESO:The Missing link
> 
> I wasn't complaining, just pointing out that the speed downloading 
> directly wasn't much faster than downloading the whole page.  
> It's a bit 
> slower than some other peoples pages, most of the time, and a 
> lot slower 
> some of the time.  The Java doesn't seem to slow it down that much.
> 
> Bob W wrote:
> > I have tried my site from 3 different PCs on 3 different 
> networks, and
> > my experience has been the same on all of them: the background
> > displays immediately, the thumbnail pages take 2-5 seconds 
> to display
> > fully, the large files take about 1 second to display fully.
> > Displaying the .jpg without all the surrounding gubbins 
> takes about 1
> > second. Two of the PCs/networks I've tried it on are behind
banking
> > levels of security. One on of them each page round-trip involves a
> > trip out of Europe and back again.
> >
> > These response times for me are in line with most other pdmlers'
> > sites, including yours, Peter. Some peoples' sites are very
> > significantly slower for me; others won't load at all, but 
> I attribute
> > that to my strict security policies.
> >
> > I've even browsed my site with my mobile phone (Windows Mobile),
and
> > not had a particularly slow experience.
> >
> > There isn't enough information for me to go on to make things
better
> > for the people who've had slow responses from the site. The
> > information people have given me isn't enough to determine whether
> > there's a genuine problem that I can do something about, if 
> so whether
> > it's my ISP, whether it's the fact that I'm using Lightroom, or
> > whether there's some problem at your end.
> >
> > Cannot reproduce the problem, as IT guys like to say.
> >
> > --
> >  Bob
> >  
> >
> >   
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> >> Behalf Of P. J. Alling
> >> Sent: 07 March 2007 20:31
> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> >> Subject: Re: PESO:The Missing link
> >>
> >> Not all that fast.
> >>
> >> Bob W wrote:
> >> 
> >>> what's it like if you try to download the file directly, 
> >>>   
> >> bypassing all
> >> 
> >>> the html and javascript?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   
> > 
>
http://www.web-options.com/Phone/content/bin/images/large/IMAGE_00026.
> >   
> >>> jpg ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>  Bob
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>   
>  -Original Message-
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>  Behalf Of William Robb
>  Sent: 06 March 2007 23:00
>  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>  Subject: Re: PESO:The Missing link
> 
> 
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: "mike wilson"
>  Subject: Re: PESO:The Missing link
> 
> 
>  
>  
> > Bob W wrote:
> >
> >   
> >   
> >> In England bicycle wheels turn into autumn leaves:
> >>
http://www.web-options.com/Phone/content/IMAGE_00026_large.html
> >>
> >> --
> >>  Bob
> >> 
> >> 
> > Since you started to use Lightroom to make your web pages, 
> >   
> >   
>  your site has
>  
>  
> > become remarkably slow.  The background loads immediately 
> >   
> >   
>  but the thumbs
>  
>  
> > and pictures take ages.
> >   
> >   
>  It's like having a dedicated dial up connection just for his 
>  website, isn't 
>  it?
> 
>  William Robb 
> 
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Re: Declined...

[Mark Roberts]

Doug Brewer wrote:

>Walter Hamler wrote:
>> Well, at least they are doing something with the gallery. I had 
submitted 11 
>> photos that were all tenatively accepted. This AM they show 6 in the 
>> Gallery, 1 in the Collection, 3 on hold, and 1 Declined.
>> The declined shot was shot with a 135 SMC-M lens but they did not have 
a 135 
>> in the selection menu, so I had it listed as unknown. I suspect that 
they 
>> don't want "unknowns" in the final gallery.
>
>meanwhile, most of mine remain in limbo. I can picture the judges 
>praying for more photos to arrive so they don't have to include mine.

Meanwhile, I just wish they'd clarify the difference between "Ready for 
Review" and "On hold".

And though one of my rejected photos was taken with the Pentax (Tamron) 
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Re: PESO (well not really) No Fun Allowed

[P. J. Alling]

Nudity falls under a Connecticut General statute and doesn't have to be 
posted to be enforced.

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Nudity is apparently okay as well. Who says they're no fun?
> Paul
> On Mar 7, 2007, at 5:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>   
>> In a message dated 3/7/2007 12:32:44 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> Photographed at the  local town  beach.
>>
>> http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/nfa.html
>>
>>
>> ==
>> Seems  they covered just about everything, except... photography.
>>
>> Marnie aka Doe  :-)
>>
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Re: PESO (well not really) No Fun Allowed

[P. J. Alling]

We don't have a Mayor, we have a town meeting/selectman system.  I 
remember well the year I was campaign manager for the Libertarian 
candidate.  Meet the candidates night:

Question:  How would each of you candidates increase the tax base:

Democratic candidate:  10 minutes about creating a fairer and more 
equitable tax climate, (translation raise taxes on beach property and 
summer residents)...

Audience:   Polite Applause.

Republican candidate  15 minutes on creating a more inviting business 
climate, (translation get some light industry in here to pay taxes, so 
we don't have to raise tax rates on shore properties and summer residents)

Audience:  Polite Applause.

Libertarian candidate, (my guy):  I believe taxation is theft!

Audience:sound of crickets chirping

I'll never hold elective office in this town.

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Wow. The Grinch Who Stole Summer. Looks like someone needs to enter the 
> next mayoral election. I'll be your campaign manager.:-)
> Paul
> On Mar 7, 2007, at 3:28 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>   
>> Photographed at the local town beach.
>>
>> http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/nfa.html
>>
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RE: PESO -- "Thimble Islands at Sunset"

[Jack Davis]

P. J.,

Think I'd knock down that green thing in the center. Too bright and
distracting.
Don't know if anything can be done about it even if one wished too, but
the light area along the horizon seems too sharp edged to be natural.

Like it very much..otherwise.

Jack
--- Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nice shot. Looks like a nice place.
> 
> --
>  Bob
>  
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> > Behalf Of Christian
> > Sent: 07 March 2007 20:20
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Subject: Re: PESO -- "Thimble Islands at Sunset"
> > 
> > P. J. Alling wrote:
> > > http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_tiass.html
> > > 
> > > Equipment:
> > > Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax FA 70-210 f4~5.6.
> > > 
> > > As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
> > > 
> > 
> > I like it...  I really like the light.
> > 
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> > http://photography.skofteland.net
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Re: beauty shot: Pentax K10D- 17mm lenses are out there

[P. J. Alling]

Which raw converter are you using?

J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> Well, only 8 stops out of print film has got
> to be a mistake of some sorts, I have
> seen numbers reported as high as 15 stops
> out this type of film and I know for
> a fact there is like 3 stops of LATITUDE
> alone on the good slow color neg films,
> (not to be confused with dynamic
> range )which would be impossible if there
> was only 8 stops total range.
>
> I did some tests with the DS shooting
> RAW and found that I was unable to record
> capture what I could easily see, even using
> raw. The exposure latitude with that camera is
> much smaller than color neg film.
>
> jco
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> William Robb
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 3:55 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: beauty shot: Pentax K10D- 17mm lenses are out there
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Peter Lacus"
> Subject: Re: beauty shot: Pentax K10D- 17mm lenses are out there
>
>
>   
>> Bill,
>>
>> 
>>> DSLR cameras are showing 10 stops or more of dynamic range, which is
>>> about 3
>>> stops more than that of print film, probably 5 stops more range than 
>>> slide
>>> film.
>>>   
>> IMHO there's only one definitive truth - film emulsions react to the 
>> light in a different way than linear digital sensors. Indeed it's much
>> 
>
>   
>> easier to extract useful data from digital RAW files but does it prove
>> 
>
>   
>> that digital sensor captures wider dynamic range? IMHO it proves that 
>> current scanners are not capable of extracting data from the film more
>> 
>
>   
>> than anything else.
>> 
>
> I'd have to dig out my charts from when I was learning the Zone System,
> but 
> my recollection is that I was never able to get more than 9-10 stops out
> of 
> B&W film without going to very exotic processing methods.
> My experience working as a QC technician in the photo lab industry
> indicated 
> to me that print film, when measured on a densitometer, was incapable of
>
> givng more than 7-8 stops of dynamic range.
>
> My observations were not dependant on scanner limitations or paper
> dynamic 
> ranges, but on direct measurement of film samples using a device
> designed 
> specifically for that purpose.
>
> William Robb 
>
>
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Re: PESO:The Missing link

[P. J. Alling]

I wasn't complaining, just pointing out that the speed downloading 
directly wasn't much faster than downloading the whole page.  It's a bit 
slower than some other peoples pages, most of the time, and a lot slower 
some of the time.  The Java doesn't seem to slow it down that much.

Bob W wrote:
> I have tried my site from 3 different PCs on 3 different networks, and
> my experience has been the same on all of them: the background
> displays immediately, the thumbnail pages take 2-5 seconds to display
> fully, the large files take about 1 second to display fully.
> Displaying the .jpg without all the surrounding gubbins takes about 1
> second. Two of the PCs/networks I've tried it on are behind banking
> levels of security. One on of them each page round-trip involves a
> trip out of Europe and back again.
>
> These response times for me are in line with most other pdmlers'
> sites, including yours, Peter. Some peoples' sites are very
> significantly slower for me; others won't load at all, but I attribute
> that to my strict security policies.
>
> I've even browsed my site with my mobile phone (Windows Mobile), and
> not had a particularly slow experience.
>
> There isn't enough information for me to go on to make things better
> for the people who've had slow responses from the site. The
> information people have given me isn't enough to determine whether
> there's a genuine problem that I can do something about, if so whether
> it's my ISP, whether it's the fact that I'm using Lightroom, or
> whether there's some problem at your end.
>
> Cannot reproduce the problem, as IT guys like to say.
>
> --
>  Bob
>  
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>> Behalf Of P. J. Alling
>> Sent: 07 March 2007 20:31
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: PESO:The Missing link
>>
>> Not all that fast.
>>
>> Bob W wrote:
>> 
>>> what's it like if you try to download the file directly, 
>>>   
>> bypassing all
>> 
>>> the html and javascript?
>>>
>>>
>>>   
> http://www.web-options.com/Phone/content/bin/images/large/IMAGE_00026.
>   
>>> jpg ?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>  
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of William Robb
 Sent: 06 March 2007 23:00
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: PESO:The Missing link


 - Original Message - 
 From: "mike wilson"
 Subject: Re: PESO:The Missing link


 
 
> Bob W wrote:
>
>   
>   
>> In England bicycle wheels turn into autumn leaves:
>> http://www.web-options.com/Phone/content/IMAGE_00026_large.html
>>
>> --
>>  Bob
>> 
>> 
> Since you started to use Lightroom to make your web pages, 
>   
>   
 your site has
 
 
> become remarkably slow.  The background loads immediately 
>   
>   
 but the thumbs
 
 
> and pictures take ages.
>   
>   
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Re: PESO (well not really) No Fun Allowed

[Paul Stenquist]

Nudity is apparently okay as well. Who says they're no fun?
Paul
On Mar 7, 2007, at 5:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 3/7/2007 12:32:44 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Photographed at the  local town  beach.
>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/nfa.html
>
>
> ==
> Seems  they covered just about everything, except... photography.
>
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Re: PESO:The Missing link

[Paul Stenquist]

Some nice compositions here. Fun stuff.
Paul
On Mar 7, 2007, at 5:48 PM, Bob W wrote:

> Mike,
>
> can you try this please? You'll need to flush your buffers first to
> force a visit to my server.
>
> http://www.web-options.com/Phone/
>
> --
>  Bob
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of mike wilson
>> Sent: 07 March 2007 22:19
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: PESO:The Missing link
>>
>> Bob W wrote:
>>
>>> what's it like if you try to download the file directly,
>> bypassing all
>>> the html and javascript?
>>>
>>>
>>
> http://www.web-options.com/Phone/content/bin/images/large/IMAGE_00026.
>>> jpg ?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>  Bob
>>
>> About a second to two.  It's a big file, though.  350k according to
>> properties.  Probably an order too big by my thinking.  Are
>> the thumbs
>> just resized full files?
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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 Sent: 06 March 2007 23:00
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 - Original Message -
 From: "mike wilson"
 Subject: Re: PESO:The Missing link



> Bob W wrote:
>
>
>> In England bicycle wheels turn into autumn leaves:
>> http://www.web-options.com/Phone/content/IMAGE_00026_large.html
>>
>> --
>> Bob
>
> Since you started to use Lightroom to make your web pages,

 your site has

> become remarkably slow.  The background loads immediately

 but the thumbs

> and pictures take ages.


 It's like having a dedicated dial up connection just for his
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Re: Declined...

[P. J. Alling]

He can, and he'd tell you himself it he wasn't busy polishing his own ego.

Tom C wrote:
>>> Define 'technical flaws'. :-)
>>>   
>> http://photo.net/photodb/member-photos?include=all&user_id=992048
>>
>> HAR!!!
>>
>> William Robb
>>
>> 
>
>
> Good one.  That fellow is in serious need of some guidance!  Maybe Ken 
> Roockwell could help him.
>
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RE: PESO:The Missing link

[Bob W]

Mike,

can you try this please? You'll need to flush your buffers first to
force a visit to my server.

http://www.web-options.com/Phone/

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of mike wilson
> Sent: 07 March 2007 22:19
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: PESO:The Missing link
> 
> Bob W wrote:
> 
> > what's it like if you try to download the file directly, 
> bypassing all
> > the html and javascript?
> > 
> > 
>
http://www.web-options.com/Phone/content/bin/images/large/IMAGE_00026.
> > jpg ?
> > 
> > 
> > --
> >  Bob
> 
> About a second to two.  It's a big file, though.  350k according to 
> properties.  Probably an order too big by my thinking.  Are 
> the thumbs 
> just resized full files?
> 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> >>Behalf Of William Robb
> >>Sent: 06 March 2007 23:00
> >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> >>Subject: Re: PESO:The Missing link
> >>
> >>
> >>- Original Message - 
> >>From: "mike wilson"
> >>Subject: Re: PESO:The Missing link
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Bob W wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> In England bicycle wheels turn into autumn leaves:
> http://www.web-options.com/Phone/content/IMAGE_00026_large.html
> 
> --
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> >>>
> >>>Since you started to use Lightroom to make your web pages, 
> >>
> >>your site has
> >>
> >>>become remarkably slow.  The background loads immediately 
> >>
> >>but the thumbs
> >>
> >>>and pictures take ages.
> >>
> >>
> >>It's like having a dedicated dial up connection just for his 
> >>website, isn't 
> >>it?
> >>
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Re: test

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In a message dated 3/7/2007 12:35:14 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ZBCU.

Kenneth  Waller

- Original Message - 
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Subject: test


>  YABT

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Re: PESO: Incognito and Signing

[Paul Stenquist]

Interesting. The word is frequently used nowadays to describe anyone 
who observes another without their knowledge. But the dictionary 
definition is explicitly sexual. Thus, even if you hide in a garbage 
can, shooting people on the street can't legitimately be described as 
"voyeuristic." Perhaps some list members are a bit fixated on sordid 
things:-). And you keep your hands off those shoppers Mr. Cotty:-)).
Paul
On Mar 7, 2007, at 5:33 PM, Cotty wrote:

> On 7/3/07, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>> to be honest, all street
>> photography is "voyeuristic." We enjoy watching people as they go 
>> about
>> their lives.
>
> I get a particularly big stiffy observing shoppers.
>
> 
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Re: GESO: It Happened on Woodward

[Paul Stenquist]

Yeah, I guess he looks a bit like Joe. I think you'd have to drag Joe 
to Detroit kicking and screaming. Hell, I was kicking and screaming. 
Now, I want out. But so does everyone else.
Paul
On Mar 7, 2007, at 5:31 PM, Tom C wrote:

> LOL.
>
> The person in the very first photograph in the coffeeshop.
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5690796
>
>
> Tom C.
>
>
>
>> From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Subject: Re: GESO: It Happened on Woodward
>> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:15:56 -0500
>>
>> Thanks Tom. Which guy? The guy in the skirt? Joe Namath wore 
>> pantyhose.
>> Perhaps there's a connection?
>> Paul
>> On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:01 PM, Tom C wrote:
>>
>>> Hey you can't use that first title. :-)  The guy in the shot looks
>>> alot like
>>> Joe Namath.
>>>
>>> Interesting collection.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom C.
>>>
>>>
>>>
 From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
 Subject: GESO: It Happened on Woodward
 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:41:53 -0500

 This is a rather large collection of photos taken on a half mile
 stretch of suburban Detroit's Old Woodward Avenue. It will hopefully
 end up as an eight to twelve shot gallery show and magazine 
 article. I
 may decide to convert more shots to BW. I might make the set all BW,
 or
 I might make it all color. I have a few in mind that are definitely
 in,
 but I'm still trying to make my picks. I've shown the whole set to 
 the
 gallery owner, and is working on a selection. The only definition 
 here
 is that the pics were shot on Woodward. They're not necessarily 
 street
 photography (a term I dislike almost as much as voyeuristic). Some 
 are
 portraits, some are candids of unaware subjects, some are candids of
 people who saw the camera. It runs the range. Anyway, the whole kit
 and
 kaboodle is here:
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RE: PESO:The Missing link

[Bob W]

Right - it sounds as though it's the conversion to jpeg. I'm
converting at the highest quality, which I assume means least
compression and a file size that's larger than necessary. I will do
that mobile phone gallery again, and ask you to retry in a few
minutes.

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> -Original Message-
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> Sent: 07 March 2007 22:19
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> Subject: Re: PESO:The Missing link
> 
> Bob W wrote:
> 
> > what's it like if you try to download the file directly, 
> bypassing all
> > the html and javascript?
> > 
> > 
>
http://www.web-options.com/Phone/content/bin/images/large/IMAGE_00026.
> > jpg ?
> > 
> > 
> > --
> >  Bob
> 
> About a second to two.  It's a big file, though.  350k according to 
> properties.  Probably an order too big by my thinking.  Are 
> the thumbs 
> just resized full files?
> 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> >>Behalf Of William Robb
> >>Sent: 06 March 2007 23:00
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> >>Subject: Re: PESO:The Missing link
> >>
> >>
> >>- Original Message - 
> >>From: "mike wilson"
> >>Subject: Re: PESO:The Missing link
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Bob W wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> In England bicycle wheels turn into autumn leaves:
> http://www.web-options.com/Phone/content/IMAGE_00026_large.html
> 
> --
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> >>>
> >>>Since you started to use Lightroom to make your web pages, 
> >>
> >>your site has
> >>
> >>>become remarkably slow.  The background loads immediately 
> >>
> >>but the thumbs
> >>
> >>>and pictures take ages.
> >>
> >>
> >>It's like having a dedicated dial up connection just for his 
> >>website, isn't 
> >>it?
> >>
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Re: PESO -- "Thimble Islands at Sunset"

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In a message dated 3/7/2007 12:02:22 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:
http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/PESO_--_tiass.html

Equipment:
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Re: PESO: Incognito and Signing

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In a message dated 3/7/2007 2:34:27 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I get a particularly big stiffy  observing  shoppers.



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RE: A Paypal Question

[Jens Bladt]

I just heard they do this by sending you a spam mail - a bill.exe or
invoice.exe (regning.exe in Danish).
I actually got one once, but did not open it. If you open this mail (if
you're careless enough) a program is installed, which will allow the sender
to access control your computer  - and follow every step you make. When you
log into your Paypal account - that's it! The intruder can easilyu drain
your account. Some of these frauds are related to some poker site. The
police can't/won't do nothing about it.
Regards

Jens Bladt

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+45 23 43 85 77
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Emne: RE: A Paypal Question


Someone hacked my paypal account last week for $270.00.  Still trying to get
it back.

Bill

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Subject: A Paypal Question

Someone wants to pay me for a non-eBay item with Paypal.  I set up an
account with PP.  Does all the buyer need to know is my eMail address?  He
sends the $$ to the email address, PP notifies me, and then I can use the
money to, for example, pay my eBay bill, or buy things, or to pay other
people.  Is this pretty much the way it works?  Anything else I should know?


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RE: PESO -- "Thimble Islands at Sunset"

[Jens Bladt]

WOW, that's nice. A room with a view!
Regards

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Re: PESO (well not really) No Fun Allowed

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In a message dated 3/7/2007 12:32:44 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Photographed at the  local town  beach.

http://www.mindspring.com/~morephotos/nfa.html


==
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Re: PESO: White Breasted Nuthatch

[Paul Stenquist]

Hi Ken,
You might prefer this rendering. I had originally cloned-out the 
out-of-focus branch because it showed some digital fringing. I went 
back and fixed it instead. I also burned the sky in a bit. Next step is 
a blue sky:-).
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5672710&size=lg
Paul
On Mar 7, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

> I think that comes from the perspective of the pro - he's looking to 
> make
> money off it & has to be concerned with what other pros are producing. 
> OTOH,
> if the image is simply for your own personal enjoyment - whatever 
> floats
> your boat.
>
> I think the fussiness of pros, especially the outdoor pros that I 
> know, is
> one of the reasons their stuff sells as it does.
>
> Kenneth Waller
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PESO: White Breasted Nuthatch
>
>
>> Certainly! Funny that perceptions of what is natural/unnatural seem 
>> to be
>> skewed by what we are used to being shown.  In this case all elements 
>> in
>> the
>> composition were natural but it's perceived otherwise.
>>
>> Sometimes the sky is almost white or becomes very close to white to
>> properly
>> expose the subject.  Juxtapose that sky against a straight line like 
>> the
>> tree and voila!
>>
>>
>> Tom C.
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>>> Subject: Re: PESO: White Breasted Nuthatch
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:41:48 -0500
>>>
>>> Definitely not being critical of Paul, but I know some pros that 
>>> wouldn't
>>> have taken that shot if they couldn't work around the white sky 
>>> issue.
>>> Me, I might not have noticed the white issue when I took the image, 
>>> but I
>>> would definitely have kept it until I could have taken a better one.
>>>
>>> Kenneth Waller
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: Re: PESO: White Breasted Nuthatch
>>>
>>>
 Hi Paul,

 I like the shot alot. Nut Hatches just don't seem to stay still for
 very
 long.  Even when perched they seem to constantly be twitching.

 I know everyone's got a feeling about the white sky, which there was
 nothing
 you could do about  in camera.  Maybe a selection on just the white 
 sky
 portion in photoshop and then a curves adjustment to bring it down 
 to
>>> some
 level of gray...?


 Tom C.



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> Subject: Re: PESO: White Breasted Nuthatch
> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:48:50 -0500
>
> Thanks for the feedback Marnie. The white background is the sky.
> Paul
> On Mar 5, 2007, at 9:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 3/3/2007 2:38:19 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> Sorry for hogging bandwidth,  but this pic might be worth a look. 
>> It
>> demonstrates pretty good performance  from a budget long-lens 
>> combo:
>> The
>> A 400/5.6 plus A2X-S converter. I also  used the Pentax 540 FGZ in
>> high-speed synch mode with the Kirk Flash  Xtender. Handheld of
>> course:-). Hey, it's only 800mm. Piece of cake. :-)).  SR turned 
>> on.
>> 1.500th, f5.6, ISO 1000. Cropped to about 75% of  frame.
>>
>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5672710&size=lg
>>
>>
>> ==
>> I  like everything but the white background. Since he is on a 
>> tree,
>>> it
>> looks
>> very  unnatural.
>>
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