Re: My first A* Lens

2008-04-05 Thread Doug Franklin
J. C. O'Connell wrote:

 UNLESS, does A* mean compact A? I always thought it meant 
 high performance A, not compact A.

I always thought it meant high performance A, too.

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Re: PESO -- Night Scene

2008-04-05 Thread Marcus A. Hofmann
It is a very nice picture. I like it. Do you happen to have a daytime  
shot of that building?

I am always amazed how different things can look at night. I've been  
experimenting a little with available light photography at night  
lately and sometimes, when I'm home reviewing pictures, I have a hard  
time telling where the particular shot was taken, even though it is a  
place that I know well during the day.


Marcus

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Am 05.04.2008 um 07:46 schrieb P. J. Alling:

 Bad title but it's late.

 I was walking across Yale's campus tonight after taking in a concert,
 when she said I don't think I've ever seen that building before.   
 Well
 she must have at one time or other, but during the day it's a
 nondescript  office building at night it looks a little different.

 http://www.mindspring.com/~distilfink/PESO%20--%20nightscene.html

 Equipment:  Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax FA 43mm f1.9 limited

 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

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RE: My first A* Lens

2008-04-05 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Yeah, I just did some browsing in the Pentax A lens catalogs
and they made a bunch of HUGE A* lenses so A* couldnt have
meant compact A. they had no designation for compact A lenses,
let alone compact A* lenses, that is bad! They should have
called them MA and MA* in my honest opinion, but that might
have been confusing, but so is making really new compact A lenses
that you used to designate as new compact (M)and then you stop
designating them as new compact. This 300 A* F4 lens is amazing
in the compactness of it's length. I wouldnt have even thought it
was possible for any 300mm lens, let alone a really good 300mm lens..

jco

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J. C. O'Connell wrote:

 UNLESS, does A* mean compact A? I always thought it meant
 high performance A, not compact A.

I always thought it meant high performance A, too.

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Re: OT: For those with teenagers...

2008-04-05 Thread AlunFoto
Hey Dave,


Will show it to my oldest when he gets out of bed. Usually around lunchtime. :-)

Hilarious.

Jostein


2008/4/5 David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 ... those who deal with them regularly:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_veIGGP1Uh4


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Superman, the Pentax K20D, and 8 FPS?

2008-04-05 Thread Roman Melihhov
http://daviddoctorrose.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/superman-the-pentax-k20d-and-a-simple-idea/
Did I miss something? To my knowledge K20 does 3 FPS and low res 21FPS 
in burst mode. Where did this Pentax ad campaign message came from?


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RE: PESO: The rains are here

2008-04-05 Thread Bob W
The first one (on the left) is somewhat compromised by the composition
and the breaking of the frame in my opinion. The 2nd, however, is
really excellent - I love the clarity, the freshness and the very wet
feel you have caught. That splash (forgive the pun) of colour lifts
it.

Bob

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 Subject: PESO: The rains are here
 
 G'day All,
 
 Earlier Godfrey posted his triptych, it just so happens I've
recently
 put together a diptych  (~170kb)
 
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2155/2388391017_c0979d55ce_o.jpg
 
 Left image K20D, DA 10-17mm f3.5-4.5 FE @ 17mm, 1/180 @ f4.5, ISO
1600
 (-w- built in flash)
 Right image K20D, FA* 300mm f4, 1/320 @ f4.5, ISO 1600
 
 Cheers,
 
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RE: My first A* Lens

2008-04-05 Thread Bob W
The A* 300/4 is exactly the same as the M* 300/4 except for the A
button and setting, which is why it is so M-ish. It is a good lens,
although I think the optical quality is somewhat compromised compared
to other 300mm lenses I've used, as a result of its size. This does
not mean that it isn't a great performer.

According to Cecchi a few other A lenses are also minor updates of the
equivalent M, and therefore presumably also as compact: 15/3.5, 35/2,
50/1.2, 100/2.8, 50/2, 100/4, 28/2.8, 35/2.8, 50/1.4, 50/1.7, 200/4,
24-50/4. I think some of these are in turn the same as their K
equivalents.

I have some Pentax lens catalogues somewhere in which they state that
the * designation refers to high performance glass, typicaly with
fluoride or asymmetric elements. 

Bob

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 Subject: RE: My first A* Lens
 
 I realized Pentax may have made a big goof with their lens 
 designations
 with the A series. There was no designation for COMPACT fully
 auto (A) lenses. If there was, the A*300/4 would be the most
 Mish A lens ever. I still cant believe how short it is. If I
 knew that I would have bought it a long time ago. Pentax blew
 it with their lens designations for sure. They should have called
 the compact A lenses MA or something similar, not just A.
 UNLESS, does A* mean compact A? I always thought it meant 
 high performance A, not compact A.
 jco


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Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-05 Thread mike wilson

 
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 Subject: Re: Reliabilty of CD storage - was: Lightroom 2.0 beta
 
 
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 From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  It's me.  Or, rather, the eight days of two hours sleep.  The five second 
  micronaps aren't working.
 
  King Zombie
 
 I'll send you the link to my online photo gallery--that'll put you right to 
 sleep ;-).  Seriously, get some rest.  Cheers, Christine 

OK.  I'll ask Katy to stop teething.
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Re: HELP - Need advice with a potential problem

2008-04-05 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Patrick Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 He got the lenses to my place and upon looking through the viewfinder
 I was horrified to see that the lens in question seemed to be fogged.
 Upon closer inspection the lens seemed to   have quite a bit of dust
 and fungus growth inside.  The lens did not stay on the body for more
 than a couple of minutes coz I immediately took it off.
 
 I am worried that I may end up infecting my own lenses with fungus..


What you see on a camera lens is the growing part of a fungus.  It is not 
(generally) infective itself.  What causes fungus on lenses is suitable 
conditions for the germination of fungal spores.  Virtually every cubic 
centimetre of air carries fungal spores.  Granted, if the fungus on the lens 
has started to produce spores you may have increased the concentration of them 
in your vicinity.

If your lenses are kept in dry conditions and regularly exposed to light, it is 
highly unlikely that you will have produced the conditions for germination.  
Your lenses, in all probability, were infected (filled and covered with spores) 
a long time ago.


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Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-05 Thread mike wilson

 
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 Adobe,  unfortunately, is pretty good at the time expiration thing. Better 
 than  most.

It's even better at the Price -- acute indigestion/heart attack sort of 
thing.


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RE: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-05 Thread Bob W

  Adobe,  unfortunately, is pretty good at the time 
 expiration thing. Better 
  than  most.
 
 It's even better at the Price -- acute 
 indigestion/heart attack sort of thing.
 

Lightroom is much cheaper than Photoshop, and far better in my opinion
for photographers. I never really got on with Photoshop, and I haven't
used it at all since I bought Lightroom, but I've used Lightroom a
lot. I think it's probably the best-designed application, in any
domain, that I've ever used, and worth the money.

Bob


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Re: PESO: The rains are here

2008-04-05 Thread David Savage
I think you've summed up quite nicely my own feelings.

I had to crop the LHS quite severely to get ride of an annoying BG
feature that I couldn't seem to get rid of in camera. But it's not
quite right

Anyway it was a fun project to shoot.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Cheers,

Dave


On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The first one (on the left) is somewhat compromised by the composition
  and the breaking of the frame in my opinion. The 2nd, however, is
  really excellent - I love the clarity, the freshness and the very wet
  feel you have caught. That splash (forgive the pun) of colour lifts
  it.

  Bob



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   Subject: PESO: The rains are here
  
   G'day All,
  
   Earlier Godfrey posted his triptych, it just so happens I've
  recently
   put together a diptych  (~170kb)
  
   http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2155/2388391017_c0979d55ce_o.jpg
  
   Left image K20D, DA 10-17mm f3.5-4.5 FE @ 17mm, 1/180 @ f4.5, ISO
  1600
   (-w- built in flash)
   Right image K20D, FA* 300mm f4, 1/320 @ f4.5, ISO 1600
  
   Cheers,
  
   Dave

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Re: HELP - Need advice with a potential problem

2008-04-05 Thread David Savage
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 4:42 PM, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
   From: Patrick Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

  He got the lenses to my place and upon looking through the viewfinder
   I was horrified to see that the lens in question seemed to be fogged.
   Upon closer inspection the lens seemed to   have quite a bit of dust
   and fungus growth inside.  The lens did not stay on the body for more
   than a couple of minutes coz I immediately took it off.
  
   I am worried that I may end up infecting my own lenses with fungus..


  What you see on a camera lens is the growing part of a fungus.  It is not 
 (generally) infective itself.  What causes fungus on lenses is suitable 
 conditions for the germination of fungal spores.  Virtually every cubic 
 centimetre of air carries fungal spores.  Granted, if the fungus on the lens 
 has started to produce spores you may have increased the concentration of 
 them in your vicinity.

  If your lenses are kept in dry conditions and regularly exposed to light, it 
 is highly unlikely that you will have produced the conditions for 
 germination.  Your lenses, in all probability, were infected (filled and 
 covered with spores) a long time ago.

Mike I think you've just helped to cranked up Patrick's paranoia level.

Germs are everywhere...all around us...unseen...silently infecting us.

Cheers,

Dave

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PESO - Water dragon

2008-04-05 Thread AlunFoto
http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2008/04/water-dragon.html

As with the previous abstract, I'm on terra incognita here so comments
much appreciated.

Best,
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Re: HELP - Need advice with a potential problem

2008-04-05 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 5:52 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 4:42 PM, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

 From: Patrick Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  
He got the lenses to my place and upon looking through the viewfinder
 I was horrified to see that the lens in question seemed to be fogged.
 Upon closer inspection the lens seemed to   have quite a bit of dust
 and fungus growth inside.  The lens did not stay on the body for more
 than a couple of minutes coz I immediately took it off.

 I am worried that I may end up infecting my own lenses with fungus..
  
  
What you see on a camera lens is the growing part of a fungus.  It is not 
 (generally) infective itself.  What causes fungus on lenses is suitable 
 conditions for the germination of fungal spores.  Virtually every cubic 
 centimetre of air carries fungal spores.  Granted, if the fungus on the lens 
 has started to produce spores you may have increased the concentration of 
 them in your vicinity.
  
If your lenses are kept in dry conditions and regularly exposed to light, 
 it is highly unlikely that you will have produced the conditions for 
 germination.  Your lenses, in all probability, were infected (filled and 
 covered with spores) a long time ago.

  Mike I think you've just helped to cranked up Patrick's paranoia level.

  Germs are everywhere...all around us...unseen...silently infecting us.

The night at at GFM should cure that.:-0

Dave

  Cheers,

  Dave



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Re: HELP - Need advice with a potential problem

2008-04-05 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/04/05 Sat AM 09:52:38 GMT
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 Subject: Re: HELP - Need advice with a potential problem
 
 On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 4:42 PM, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   
From: Patrick Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
 
   He got the lenses to my place and upon looking through the viewfinder
I was horrified to see that the lens in question seemed to be fogged.
Upon closer inspection the lens seemed to   have quite a bit of dust
and fungus growth inside.  The lens did not stay on the body for more
than a couple of minutes coz I immediately took it off.
   
I am worried that I may end up infecting my own lenses with fungus..
 
 
   What you see on a camera lens is the growing part of a fungus.  It is not 
  (generally) infective itself.  What causes fungus on lenses is suitable 
  conditions for the germination of fungal spores.  Virtually every cubic 
  centimetre of air carries fungal spores.  Granted, if the fungus on the 
  lens has started to produce spores you may have increased the concentration 
  of them in your vicinity.
 
   If your lenses are kept in dry conditions and regularly exposed to light, 
  it is highly unlikely that you will have produced the conditions for 
  germination.  Your lenses, in all probability, were infected (filled and 
  covered with spores) a long time ago.
 
 Mike I think you've just helped to cranked up Patrick's paranoia level.
 
 Germs are everywhere...all around us...unseen...silently infecting us.

Indeed.  We are eminently suitable breeding grounds for all sorts of things but 
we are very good at fighting them because of that.  Lenses aren't any good at 
fighting at all.  But they are very hostile environments for things to grow on. 
 Keep them that way and you will have little trouble.


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Re: HELP - Need advice with a potential problem

2008-04-05 Thread Doug Franklin
David J Brooks wrote:

  Germs are everywhere...all around us...unseen...silently infecting us.
 
 The night at at GFM should cure that.:-0

If you talk to the rights folks in those hills, you'll have a good 
supply of nearly 100% pure ethanol to help with the cleansing. :-)

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RE: PESO: The rains are here

2008-04-05 Thread Anthony Farr
Dave,

The teacher of photographic composition in my third year of photography
school told a story that is apt for your diptych.  He took a locally
successful exhibition to China in the '70s, but at its first showing it got
a disappointing reception.  Upon investigation he found that the pictures
didn't flow to Chinese eyes.  What he realized was that principles of
movement in composition are highly connected to the written language of the
viewer.  So occidental eyes prefer top to bottom and left to right movement
(or sequence) in pictures.  Oriental eyes want movement (or sequence)that
goes right to left and bottom to top.  He reprinted the show with the
negatives flipped and got a better response.

The sequence of your pic seems to put the ground level drain on the left
before the higher leaky barrel? pipe? or whatever which is on the right,
therefore later in the narrative.  But that object was placed higher in
space, leading to the discomforting conclusion that water has flowed
upwards.

Flip the picture yourself and see what you think.  There will still be the
disparity of a high level object and a ground level object being placed
side-by-side on the same viewing level, but at least the narrative will flow
(pardon the pun) in a natural sequence to Western eyes.

Regards,
Anthony Farr 

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 David Savage
 Sent: Saturday, 5 April 2008 3:59 PM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: PESO: The rains are here
 
 G'day All,
 
 Earlier Godfrey posted his triptych, it just so happens I've recently
 put together a diptych  (~170kb)
 
 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2155/2388391017_c0979d55ce_o.jpg
 
 Left image K20D, DA 10-17mm f3.5-4.5 FE @ 17mm, 1/180 @ f4.5, ISO 1600
 (-w- built in flash)
 Right image K20D, FA* 300mm f4, 1/320 @ f4.5, ISO 1600
 
 Cheers,
 
 Dave
 
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Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-05 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Bob W
Subject: RE: Lightroom 2.0 beta



 Lightroom is much cheaper than Photoshop, and far better in my opinion
 for photographers. I never really got on with Photoshop, and I haven't
 used it at all since I bought Lightroom, but I've used Lightroom a
 lot. I think it's probably the best-designed application, in any
 domain, that I've ever used, and worth the money.

One of our photographers started using it a while back and loves it. The only 
time he opens 
Photoshop now is to fix the bodges on selected files before printing them.

William Robb 


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Re: Superman, the Pentax K20D, and 8 FPS?

2008-04-05 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Roman Melihhov
Subject: Superman, the Pentax K20D, and 8 FPS?


 http://daviddoctorrose.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/superman-the-pentax-k20d-and-a-simple-idea/
 Did I miss something? To my knowledge K20 does 3 FPS and low res 21FPS
 in burst mode. Where did this Pentax ad campaign message came from?

I think it's funny. Neither TBWA nor the blog writer (David Rose?) have a clue. 
The agency would 
have done better my making the copy say 21 frames per second, not a number that 
the camera can 
not actaully achieve (though you can get close by plucking out every ~third 
frame from the burst 
mode).

William Robb 


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Re: PESO - Water dragon

2008-04-05 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: AlunFoto 
Subject: PESO - Water dragon


 http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2008/04/water-dragon.html
 

Goofy name aside, it is an amazing photograph.

William Robb

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Re: PESO: The rains are here

2008-04-05 Thread David Savage
I can see how it could be confusing.

The leaking tank in the right most frame is for rain water collection.
It's about 4' high on a 1' plinth.

The shot on the left is the downpipe from the roof guttering over the
top of the tank which supplies the rain water.

:-)

So the sequence is correct, rain filling a tank, tank leaking the rain. :-)

Cheers,

Dave

On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave,

  The teacher of photographic composition in my third year of photography
  school told a story that is apt for your diptych.  He took a locally
  successful exhibition to China in the '70s, but at its first showing it got
  a disappointing reception.  Upon investigation he found that the pictures
  didn't flow to Chinese eyes.  What he realized was that principles of
  movement in composition are highly connected to the written language of the
  viewer.  So occidental eyes prefer top to bottom and left to right movement
  (or sequence) in pictures.  Oriental eyes want movement (or sequence)that
  goes right to left and bottom to top.  He reprinted the show with the
  negatives flipped and got a better response.

  The sequence of your pic seems to put the ground level drain on the left
  before the higher leaky barrel? pipe? or whatever which is on the right,
  therefore later in the narrative.  But that object was placed higher in
  space, leading to the discomforting conclusion that water has flowed
  upwards.

  Flip the picture yourself and see what you think.  There will still be the
  disparity of a high level object and a ground level object being placed
  side-by-side on the same viewing level, but at least the narrative will flow
  (pardon the pun) in a natural sequence to Western eyes.

  Regards,
  Anthony Farr


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  G'day All,
  
   Earlier Godfrey posted his triptych, it just so happens I've recently
   put together a diptych  (~170kb)
  
   http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2155/2388391017_c0979d55ce_o.jpg
  
   Left image K20D, DA 10-17mm f3.5-4.5 FE @ 17mm, 1/180 @ f4.5, ISO 1600
   (-w- built in flash)
   Right image K20D, FA* 300mm f4, 1/320 @ f4.5, ISO 1600

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Re: Superman, the Pentax K20D, and 8 FPS?

2008-04-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
The strange this is that any ad would have to be approved by Pentax'  
ad manager. He would think that he would have a clue. Bizarre.
Paul
On Apr 5, 2008, at 9:41 AM, William Robb wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: Roman Melihhov
 Subject: Superman, the Pentax K20D, and 8 FPS?


 http://daviddoctorrose.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/superman-the- 
 pentax-k20d-and-a-simple-idea/
 Did I miss something? To my knowledge K20 does 3 FPS and low res  
 21FPS
 in burst mode. Where did this Pentax ad campaign message came from?

 I think it's funny. Neither TBWA nor the blog writer (David Rose?)  
 have a clue. The agency would
 have done better my making the copy say 21 frames per second, not a  
 number that the camera can
 not actaully achieve (though you can get close by plucking out  
 every ~third frame from the burst
 mode).

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Re: OT: For those with teenagers...

2008-04-05 Thread Bob Sullivan
Dave,
LOL and who is Peter Denahy?
I watched his Ringing of the Steel video - good stuff.
Regards, Bob S.

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:35 PM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ... those who deal with them regularly:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_veIGGP1Uh4


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Re: HELP - Need advice with a potential problem

2008-04-05 Thread Patrick Genovese
Actually the infected lens is not mine it just spend a couple of
minutes on my K10D.

I took Paul's advice and cleaned the mount and body cap thoroughly
hopefully that should be enough. I found some information on-line
reccomending a wipe down with hydrogen peroxide then alcohol .  Ive
done that and I guess all I can do is hope for the best.

Actually none of my lenses have ever had fungus on them.  One of the
older ones has a little bit of dust inside but other than that i've
never had any such problems.

On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 2:29 PM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 5:52 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 4:42 PM, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
   From: Patrick Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  

  He got the lenses to my place and upon looking through the viewfinder
   I was horrified to see that the lens in question seemed to be fogged.
   Upon closer inspection the lens seemed to   have quite a bit of dust
   and fungus growth inside.  The lens did not stay on the body for more
   than a couple of minutes coz I immediately took it off.
  
   I am worried that I may end up infecting my own lenses with 
 fungus..


  What you see on a camera lens is the growing part of a fungus.  It is 
 not (generally) infective itself.  What causes fungus on lenses is suitable 
 conditions for the germination of fungal spores.  Virtually every cubic 
 centimetre of air carries fungal spores.  Granted, if the fungus on the lens 
 has started to produce spores you may have increased the concentration of 
 them in your vicinity.

  If your lenses are kept in dry conditions and regularly exposed to 
 light, it is highly unlikely that you will have produced the conditions for 
 germination.  Your lenses, in all probability, were infected (filled and 
 covered with spores) a long time ago.
  
Mike I think you've just helped to cranked up Patrick's paranoia level.
  
Germs are everywhere...all around us...unseen...silently infecting us.

  The night at at GFM should cure that.:-0

  Dave

 
Cheers,
  
Dave
  
  
  
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Re: OT: For those with teenagers...

2008-04-05 Thread David Savage
He's a local country singer.

And yeah, that Ring of Steel is a sweet song.

Cheers,

Dave

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  LOL and who is Peter Denahy?
  I watched his Ringing of the Steel video - good stuff.
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   Cheers,
  
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Re: My first A* Lens

2008-04-05 Thread P. J. Alling
In this case it probably means both.  The A* is identical to the M* 300 
in every way including performance, which is very, very good in my 
experience.  It is however a very compact lens and it does have it's 
limitations.  It isn't particularly close focusing, well that does seem 
to be it's major limitation.  The example I showed was a real world 
shot.  I started to enumerate the reasons why this shot wasn't perfect 
but gave up.  I don't know why I respond to any of JCO's posts even at 
third hand, he's always finds the dark cloud around the silver lining.

Doug Franklin wrote:
 J. C. O'Connell wrote:

   
 UNLESS, does A* mean compact A? I always thought it meant 
 high performance A, not compact A.
 

 I always thought it meant high performance A, too.

   


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Re: My first book

2008-04-05 Thread Boris Liberman
Congratulations!

Boris

Margus Männik wrote:
 Hi there,
 
 My first own book came from printshop wednesday. I have translated over 
 a ten photography handbooks, but writing a new one is a whole different 
 story. Sorry to disappoint you - it's not a Pentax book. Sony ordered it 
 to promote their Alpha SLR cameras in Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian 
 markets (so the book is already translated into latvian and lithuanian 
 languages).
 BTW, there IS a good possibility for similar Pentax book in future.
 
 Cover shot of actual book:
 http://home.uninet.ee/~margus02/peso/alpha_cover.jpg
 (Title translation: The Wonderful World of Sony Alpha)
 
 BR, Margus
 


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Re: Article and pictures published

2008-04-05 Thread Boris Liberman
Congratulations!

Dario Bonazza wrote:
 Hi gang,
 
 An article (text and pictures by me, including cover picture) on using flash 
 with available light has been published by an Italian photo magazine called 
 PC Photo (formerly Progresso Fotografico, established 1894). Here is the 
 magazine cover:
 http://www.dariobonazza.com/puble.htm
 (it's the uppermost picture)
 
 All picturese were taken with K10D, AF540FGZ flash unit and several lenses. 
 As per publisher's request, I cannot supply the article in electronic form 
 now, but I will probably be allowed to do that within a few months.
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: All right . . . here's an idea, Let's start a Magazine . . .

2008-04-05 Thread Boris Liberman
I can contribute some translations to Russian ;-). Don't ask me 'bout 
Hebrew, though ;-).

Boris


Christine Aguila wrote:
 and call it Pentax something, It doesn't really matter right now.
 
 We could make it an online bi-annual:  a spring/summer issue  a fall/winter 
 issue.  We'd include features, how-tos VERY specific to Pentax equipment 
 usage, Pentax equipment reviews, a photo gallery, Pentax events, Pentax 
 history features, photographic movements, photographic scholarship, and 
 regular departments.  And more . . .
 
 We could vote for folks willing to be on the editorial committee.  We'd draw 
 from the rich skills, technical know-how, and international experience so 
 evident on this list.
 
 Just some article ideas to get us going
 
 Walter writes on what it was like to be a navy photographer
 Cotty writes on what it's like to be media guy
 Cassino Snowflakes
 Department:  Irks  Quirks of Pentax Equiment:  When your K100D does this, 
 then do this
 Stenquist writes on Panning techniques for car photography
 Frank writes on grain, focus,  tilt
 Ralf writes about shooting industry.
 etc etc
 
 And to follow list fashion these  days, we could write it in German ;-)
 
 Seriously though, what do you think?
 
 Cheers, Christine
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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RE: PESO: The rains are here

2008-04-05 Thread Anthony Farr
Dave,

Amazingly  the additional information you supplied went a long way to
resolving the visual anomaly.  Once I knew that the downpipe was actually
higher than the leak the laws of nature were restored.  Objects that were
unfamiliar to me had been isolated to the extent that they lacked contextual
information from their surroundings.  But thanks to your correction I can
see that what I took to be the lowest object, the downpipe outlet, is
actually the highest object.  However, picturing it from above has made it
appear lower, while picturing the leaky tank from below has made it appear
higher.  

Yours is a good concept well worth the telling.  What I'm getting at is that
when you put images into sequences you should maintain a stylistic and
relational consistency throughout.  If you look at photo sequences you'll
often find an element from one shot is carried over to the next to link the
series, Godfrey's triptych that you reference
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/59-focusing.jpg is very tight in this
respect.  And if the jump from one shot to the next is great, then there
shouldn't be other big changes such as viewing angles and perspectives.  But
here you have a close shot with wide FOV, deep DOF and a downward POV
followed by a long shot with narrow FOV, shallow DOF and upward POV.  Added
to the fact that no part of one shot is visible in the other and the
relationship between the two shots is substantially broken.  Hell, even the
metal of the tank is rendered so differently that it isn't obviously the
same tank.  Perhaps the second shot should include the downpipe. 

Of course rules are made to be broken, I hear my critics shout.  And it's
true that a diptych, triptych or whatever isn't necessarily a
photo-series/sequence, it may simply be a grouping of abstractly connected
images.  True, but Dave's diptych is definitely a sequence, and would work
better if scene-building rules such as cinematic or theatrical rules were
used as a guide.

If you think I'm being harsh, it's because I've seen such excellent work
from you on other occasions.

Regards,
Anthony Farr

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 Subject: Re: PESO: The rains are here
 
 I can see how it could be confusing.
 
 The leaking tank in the right most frame is for rain water collection.
 It's about 4' high on a 1' plinth.
 
 The shot on the left is the downpipe from the roof guttering over the
 top of the tank which supplies the rain water.
 
 :-)
 
 So the sequence is correct, rain filling a tank, tank leaking the rain.
:-)
 
 Cheers,
 
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PESO: Justin @ 8 months

2008-04-05 Thread Jerome
Every month I put together a gallery to highlight my family's meanderings.
Here are my 3 favorites from this month:

http://tinyurl.com/49cl8a
http://tinyurl.com/3pl2nm
http://tinyurl.com/4yjgss


Justin is about 8 months old in all 3 photos. The latter was taken at the
zoo playground using Continuous focus on the K10D. It was my first time
using that feature for anything worthwhile and I was impressed with how it
kept up with the motion.

Here's another just for kicks (Lioness @ the zoo):

http://tinyurl.com/4oqefd

Taken with the k10D and the 400mm, tripod mounted of course. I hate that
it's cropped so tightly, but I had nowhere to back up!

Comments welcomed.
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OT: Tufty gets tough

2008-04-05 Thread Bob W

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4489792.stm

Look after your acorns, people!

Bob


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Re: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff

2008-04-05 Thread Walter Hamler
http://theonlinephotographer.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html

I think this explains what has happened. Anyone want a job?

Walt

On 4/4/08, Stan Halpin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Probably wishful thinking on the part of the store personnel.
 Distribution of goods, relationships with local retail outlets, has
 been a weak point of Pentax for a long time. Treated like mushrooms
 is an old metaphor that describes local stores in this relationship.
 We can only hope that the new Pentax actually makes some moves to
 improve the situation. Whether a 100% turnover is the answer or not
 is hard for anyone outside to discern.

 stan

 On Apr 4, 2008, at 10:22 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
  If you try googling on it you get nothing.  If it were happening I
  would
  think someone would have posted somewhere besides here.
 
  Adam Maas wrote:
  Or the usual dealer BS. It amazes me just how much utter crap
  salesmaggots say about various brands, all of it with absolutely no
  basis in reality.
 
  -Adam
 
  On 4/4/08, John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Can you say April Fool?  That's what it sounds like, and the
  timing is
   right.
 
  - Original Message -
   From: J. Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: pdml@pdml.net
   Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:12 PM
   Subject: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff
 
 
  I was in my local camera store today and the clerk I
  deal with knows I am a Pentax guy. She let me know
  that their sales rep sent an email informing them that
  all the USA sales reps and managers had been let go.
  Some of the other guys behind the counter said they
  heard Pentax in the states is not making money and
  maybe Hoya is blaming the sales staff. I just thought
  I would pass this along. Has anyone heard anything
  about what this means for Pentax USA?
 
  Jim M.
 
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Re: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff

2008-04-05 Thread John Celio
 http://theonlinephotographer.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html

 I think this explains what has happened. Anyone want a job?

 Walt


Wow, interesting!  I wonder how this will affect their relationship with 
shops like the one I used to work at.  I also wonder how one goes about 
applying for one of those jobs!

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Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-05 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 4/5/2008 2:25:15 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Lightroom is much cheaper than  Photoshop, and far better in my opinion
for photographers. I never really got  on with Photoshop, and I haven't
used it at all since I bought Lightroom, but  I've used Lightroom a
lot. I think it's probably the best-designed  application, in any
domain, that I've ever used, and worth the  money.

Bob

=
I get by on Lightroom and Elements 5.  I have now taken two PS classes, but 
find that I really rarely need it. In fact,  I may give up on it all together. 
Elements really does just about all the photo  editing I need. And, overall, 
the two make a much cheaper  solution.

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Re: PESO: Justin @ 8 months

2008-04-05 Thread Bob Sullivan
Jerome,
Great photos.  I like the 1st best, but looked thru the gallery behind them too.
They are terriffic memories.  Little ones are so amazing!
Regards, Bob S.

On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Jerome [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Every month I put together a gallery to highlight my family's meanderings.
 Here are my 3 favorites from this month:

 http://tinyurl.com/49cl8a
 http://tinyurl.com/3pl2nm
 http://tinyurl.com/4yjgss


 Justin is about 8 months old in all 3 photos. The latter was taken at the
 zoo playground using Continuous focus on the K10D. It was my first time
 using that feature for anything worthwhile and I was impressed with how it
 kept up with the motion.

 Here's another just for kicks (Lioness @ the zoo):

 http://tinyurl.com/4oqefd

 Taken with the k10D and the 400mm, tripod mounted of course. I hate that
 it's cropped so tightly, but I had nowhere to back up!

 Comments welcomed.
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Re: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff

2008-04-05 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 11:03:53AM -0700, John Celio wrote:
  http://theonlinephotographer.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html
 
  I think this explains what has happened. Anyone want a job?
 
  Walt
 
 
 Wow, interesting!  I wonder how this will affect their relationship with 
 shops like the one I used to work at.  I also wonder how one goes about 
 applying for one of those jobs!

I expect an email to Ned Bunnell would answer that question.


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Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-05 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 10:24:53AM +0100, Bob W wrote:
 
   Adobe,  unfortunately, is pretty good at the time 
  expiration thing. Better 
   than  most.
  
  It's even better at the Price -- acute 
  indigestion/heart attack sort of thing.
  
 
 Lightroom is much cheaper than Photoshop, and far better in my opinion
 for photographers. I never really got on with Photoshop, and I haven't
 used it at all since I bought Lightroom, but I've used Lightroom a
 lot. I think it's probably the best-designed application, in any
 domain, that I've ever used, and worth the money.
 
 Bob

I agree (especially since I picked up Lightroom at the introductory price).
About the only thing I couldn't do without using an external editor was
selective editing to just part of an image, and LR 2.0 apparently has that.


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Re: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff

2008-04-05 Thread John Celio
  http://theonlinephotographer.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html
 
  I think this explains what has happened. Anyone want a job?
 
  Walt


 Wow, interesting!  I wonder how this will affect their relationship with
 shops like the one I used to work at.  I also wonder how one goes about
 applying for one of those jobs!

 I expect an email to Ned Bunnell would answer that question.

Easier said than done, it seems...

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Re: PESO: Justin @ 8 months

2008-04-05 Thread Bruce Dayton
Some great shots there.  I especially loved the first and third ones.
You really caught the moment right on those.  The lion looks pretty
good, too.   Nice work that is certainly worth sharing.

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Saturday, April 5, 2008, 9:41:06 AM, you wrote:

J Every month I put together a gallery to highlight my family's meanderings.
J Here are my 3 favorites from this month:

J http://tinyurl.com/49cl8a
J http://tinyurl.com/3pl2nm
J http://tinyurl.com/4yjgss


J Justin is about 8 months old in all 3 photos. The latter was taken at the
J zoo playground using Continuous focus on the K10D. It was my first time
J using that feature for anything worthwhile and I was impressed with how it
J kept up with the motion.

J Here's another just for kicks (Lioness @ the zoo):

J http://tinyurl.com/4oqefd

J Taken with the k10D and the 400mm, tripod mounted of course. I hate that
J it's cropped so tightly, but I had nowhere to back up!

J Comments welcomed.
J Jerome.




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Re: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff

2008-04-05 Thread Mark Roberts
John Celio wrote:
 http://theonlinephotographer.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html

 I think this explains what has happened. Anyone want a job?
 
 Wow, interesting!  I wonder how this will affect their relationship with 
 shops like the one I used to work at.  I also wonder how one goes about 
 applying for one of those jobs!

Sadly, the *reason* for changes like this is that stores like the one 
you used to work at (and the one I used to work at) are going the way of 
the dinosaur. This is simply a recognition of that reality.

I think the days of sales reps who visit local stores (and I mean this 
in general - not just Pentax and, in fact, not just the camera business) 
are numbered.

Welcome to the 21st century and the era of the Big Box retailer. :(
(Ironic that the dinosaur analogy breaks down here because it's the 
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Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-05 Thread Tim Øsleby
Me too, except that I picked up Lightroom for nothing.

Or to be accurate, I got a free license since I already was a RSP
user. That's what I call a good deal :-)

I haven't tested 2.0 yet. I better get my new puter up running properly first.

MaritimTim

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Adobe,  unfortunately, is pretty good at the time
   expiration thing. Better
than  most.
  
   It's even better at the Price -- acute
   indigestion/heart attack sort of thing.
  
 
  Lightroom is much cheaper than Photoshop, and far better in my opinion
  for photographers. I never really got on with Photoshop, and I haven't
  used it at all since I bought Lightroom, but I've used Lightroom a
  lot. I think it's probably the best-designed application, in any
  domain, that I've ever used, and worth the money.
 
  Bob

 I agree (especially since I picked up Lightroom at the introductory price).
 About the only thing I couldn't do without using an external editor was
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K200D filenames

2008-04-05 Thread Marcus A. Hofmann
Hello.

Is there a way to customize the filenames the K200D produces? At first  
I was irritated, because the first images I took (DNG) where named  
IMGP.DNG, and at some point the camera produced files named  
_IGP.DNG (where  is the image number). After some  
experimenting I found out that sRGB-files are named IMGP, while  
AdobeRGB files are named _IGP. Is there a reason for that? Can I  
turn it off? I think IMGP is quite OK, I don't want files to have  
a name beginning with an underscore.


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Re: K200D filenames

2008-04-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Save in RAW format, leave the colorspace in sRGB. It's irrelevant  
except for in-camera JPEGs.

If you must capture in-camera JPEGs, there's not much you can do  
about it if you want Adobe RGB colorspace (which I recommend for JPEG  
capture, btw).

Otherwise, use software to transfer the files from card to computer  
which does a renaming operation for you. I've begun to rename all my  
files to YYMMDD-tag- format, where tag is an event or other  
mnemonic to identify what the file might be associated with, and   
is the numeric portion of the original filename.

G

On Apr 5, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Marcus A. Hofmann wrote:
 Hello.

 Is there a way to customize the filenames the K200D produces? At first
 I was irritated, because the first images I took (DNG) where named
 IMGP.DNG, and at some point the camera produced files named
 _IGP.DNG (where  is the image number). After some
 experimenting I found out that sRGB-files are named IMGP, while
 AdobeRGB files are named _IGP. Is there a reason for that? Can I
 turn it off? I think IMGP is quite OK, I don't want files to have
 a name beginning with an underscore.

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Re: PESO - Portrait

2008-04-05 Thread Derby Chang
Bruce Dayton wrote:
 Last Friday I had to shoot a portrait of my daughter for her music
 resume she was preparing for school.  Shot in the house with two
 Alien Bees lights.  These three were the finalists.

 K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8

 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/amberviola_0012c.htm
 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/amberviola_0020b.htm
 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/amberviola_0032b.htm


   

Catching up...these are all beautiful, Bruce. But I like the impishness 
of the first. Great vignetting too.

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Daylight savings

2008-04-05 Thread Derby Chang

If you are in NSW, while you are going around the house changing the 
clocks, don't forget your digcams. I left it for a month on the last 
changeover.

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Re: K200D filenames

2008-04-05 Thread Marcus A. Hofmann

 Save in RAW format, leave the colorspace in sRGB. It's irrelevant
 except for in-camera JPEGs.

Ah, thanks, that's valuable information. I shoot RAW only, so that  
solves it for me. But I still wonder... why would one name the files  
differently depending on the colorspace? Oh well... ;-)

Thanks. Marcus



 If you must capture in-camera JPEGs, there's not much you can do
 about it if you want Adobe RGB colorspace (which I recommend for JPEG
 capture, btw).

 Otherwise, use software to transfer the files from card to computer
 which does a renaming operation for you. I've begun to rename all my
 files to YYMMDD-tag- format, where tag is an event or other
 mnemonic to identify what the file might be associated with, and 
 is the numeric portion of the original filename.

 G

 On Apr 5, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Marcus A. Hofmann wrote:
 Hello.

 Is there a way to customize the filenames the K200D produces? At  
 first
 I was irritated, because the first images I took (DNG) where named
 IMGP.DNG, and at some point the camera produced files named
 _IGP.DNG (where  is the image number). After some
 experimenting I found out that sRGB-files are named IMGP, while
 AdobeRGB files are named _IGP. Is there a reason for that? Can I
 turn it off? I think IMGP is quite OK, I don't want files to have
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Re: PESO - Tracks in blue

2008-04-05 Thread Derby Chang
AlunFoto wrote:
 A stitced composite, almost panorama format, of a cross country skiing track.

 Please think critically. Is this picture believeably rendered?

 http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/displayimage.php?album=7pos=4#nav_pic

 Jostein

   

It could be. I've seen that unbelievable blue at times, Franz Josef 
Glacier comes to mind. Gorgeous photo nonetheless.

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Re: Lightroom 2.0 beta

2008-04-05 Thread Brian Walters

On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 14:53:30 -0400, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 About the only thing I couldn't do without using an external editor was
 selective editing to just part of an image, and LR 2.0 apparently has
 that.



Ah - if Lightroom 2 has selective editing I might take a look at the
beta.  Lack of that feature in Lightroom 1 was the main reason I passed
(that, and the fact that I already have a substantial investment of time
in another image cataloging program).




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Re: PESO: Justin @ 8 months

2008-04-05 Thread Amita Guha
The look on Justin's face in the first one, and his pose, are
priceless. You can just see his little personality shining through. :)
Well done!

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Re: PESO - Whiteout conditions

2008-04-05 Thread Derby Chang
DagT wrote:
 Easter traditions in Norway

 http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildekritikk/vis_bilde.cgi?id=370402

 K10D, DA16-50 f:16, 1/180s

 Comments are welcome.

 DagT

   

On the web, subtle details are a little hard to distinguish. But I'm 
sure in print it would be spectacular, especially if it was a series. I 
can still get a sense of the scale of the environment.

Have heard about Frank Tobias Müller?

http://www.jmcolberg.com/weblog/2008/04/frank_tobias_mller.html

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Re: K200D filenames

2008-04-05 Thread Brian Walters

On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:35:04 +0200, Marcus A. Hofmann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 
  Save in RAW format, leave the colorspace in sRGB. It's irrelevant
  except for in-camera JPEGs.
 
 Ah, thanks, that's valuable information. I shoot RAW only, so that  
 solves it for me. But I still wonder... why would one name the files  
 differently depending on the colorspace? Oh well... ;-)
 



I don't know the reason but it doesn't just apply to the K200D.  The
*ist DS does the same thing so I assume it applies to all of the Pentax
DSLRs.

By the way - how do you like the K200D?  I'm trying to decide if I need
to go with the K20D or whether the K200D will be sufficient for my
needs.



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Re: K200D filenames

2008-04-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Apr 5, 2008, at 2:35 PM, Marcus A. Hofmann wrote:
 Ah, thanks, that's valuable information. I shoot RAW only, so that
 solves it for me. But I still wonder... why would one name the files
 differently depending on the colorspace?

Because cameras don't embed an ICC profile in JPEG files (for  
whatever reason), the convention of having a filename change to  
indicate the Adobe RGB colorspace was accepted some years ago. Once  
these conventions come into being, it's a very slow process to change  
them.

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Re: PESO - Water dragon

2008-04-05 Thread Brian Walters

On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:59:20 +0200, AlunFoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2008/04/water-dragon.html
 
 As with the previous abstract, I'm on terra incognita here so comments
 much appreciated.
 

Not sure about the title but I like the tone and contrast in the image,
except perhaps for the three small streaks on the top left.  

(to me it looks a bit more like a goose or swan in flight than a
dragon)



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Re: Daylight savings

2008-04-05 Thread Brian Walters

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 07:29:55 +1000, Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
 
 If you are in NSW, while you are going around the house changing the 
 clocks, don't forget your digcams. I left it for a month on the last 
 changeover.



Great three more bloody clocks to change :-)

Actually, I've never remembered to change the time on any of my digicams
in the past.  For the sort of photography I do, I'm not sure an hour one
way or the other matters all that much.


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ReNice sho: PESO: Justin @ 8 months

2008-04-05 Thread pnstenquist
Nice shots. All well framed and rendered. The last one with mom is my favorite.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Some great shots there.  I especially loved the first and third ones.
 You really caught the moment right on those.  The lion looks pretty
 good, too.   Nice work that is certainly worth sharing.
 
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 Best regards,
 Bruce
 
 
 Saturday, April 5, 2008, 9:41:06 AM, you wrote:
 
 J Every month I put together a gallery to highlight my family's meanderings.
 J Here are my 3 favorites from this month:
 
 J http://tinyurl.com/49cl8a
 J http://tinyurl.com/3pl2nm
 J http://tinyurl.com/4yjgss
 
 
 J Justin is about 8 months old in all 3 photos. The latter was taken at the
 J zoo playground using Continuous focus on the K10D. It was my first time
 J using that feature for anything worthwhile and I was impressed with how it
 J kept up with the motion.
 
 J Here's another just for kicks (Lioness @ the zoo):
 
 J http://tinyurl.com/4oqefd
 
 J Taken with the k10D and the 400mm, tripod mounted of course. I hate that
 J it's cropped so tightly, but I had nowhere to back up!
 
 J Comments welcomed.
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Re: K200D filenames

2008-04-05 Thread Brian Walters

On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 14:49:08 -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
 
 
 Because cameras don't embed an ICC profile in JPEG files (for  
 whatever reason), the convention of having a filename change to  
 indicate the Adobe RGB colorspace was accepted some years ago. Once  
 these conventions come into being, it's a very slow process to change  
 them.
 

That's interesting.  Is there a reason why cameras don't embed a colour
space?  Originally, I had assumed that if you selected Abobe RGB (for
example) as the in-camera colour space that the camera would embed it in
the image.  I can't think of a reason why this doesn't happen, but I may
be showing my ignorance here (again...)



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Re: K200D filenames

2008-04-05 Thread Marcus A. Hofmann
 By the way - how do you like the K200D?  I'm trying to decide if I  
 need
 to go with the K20D or whether the K200D will be sufficient for my
 needs.

I've had it for about four weeks now and I took roughly 1500 pictures  
with it. Overall, I am very satisfied. For my needs, at least, the  
K200D is totally sufficient.

I chose the K200D over the entry level models by Canikon etc. simply  
for the better ergonomics, and didn't care about technical  
specifications a lot. I just played around with it, played with the  
menues, took some pictures, and went for the K200D because it had the  
better feel to it. Just touching the EOS 400 and D40x's plastic bodies  
felt, well, cheap. The K200D is plastic, too, but it just feels better.

I chose it over the K20D because what the K20D has to offer over the  
K200D for ME doen't justify the higher price tag. There is really only  
one thing that I miss, and that is an easier way to switch from AF.S  
to AF.C and to turn forced spot AF on and off more easily. I  
especially didn't see a big difference between the K200D and K20D  
viewfinders that everybody is talking about. The K200D viewfinder is  
great (I don't wear glasses or contacts).

The Energizer Lithium batteries that came with it lasted well over 900  
shots, and I was playing with the menues and looking at the pictures a  
lot, I really didn't try to maximize battery life. I am now using four  
Varta rechargeables which lasted well over 500 shots the first time.  
So the battery life is fine.

To be quite honest, besides the MacBook Pro I got last year this K200D  
is probably the only other piece of electronic equipment I have bought  
in the past five years that is not dissapointing in one way or  
another. I got the 18-55 kit lens, the DA 40 Limited and the DA*  
50-135 with it, and that's really a great setup to get started. I'll  
get a 21 Limited as soon as I find one, but they seem to be either  
sold out or overpriced around where I live.


Marcus





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RE: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff

2008-04-05 Thread Bob W
 Sadly, the *reason* for changes like this is that stores like the
one 
 you used to work at (and the one I used to work at) are going 
 the way of 
 the dinosaur.

they're growing feathers and taking to the sky?

Bob

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 Subject: Re: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff
 
 John Celio wrote:
  
 http://theonlinephotographer.com/the_online_photographer/blog_
 index.html
 
  I think this explains what has happened. Anyone want a job?
  
  Wow, interesting!  I wonder how this will affect their 
 relationship with 
  shops like the one I used to work at.  I also wonder how 
 one goes about 
  applying for one of those jobs!
 
 Sadly, the *reason* for changes like this is that stores like the
one 
 you used to work at (and the one I used to work at) are going 
 the way of 
 the dinosaur. This is simply a recognition of that reality.
 
 I think the days of sales reps who visit local stores (and I 
 mean this 
 in general - not just Pentax and, in fact, not just the 
 camera business) 
 are numbered.
 
 Welcome to the 21st century and the era of the Big Box retailer. :(
 (Ironic that the dinosaur analogy breaks down here because it's
the 
 lumbering giants that are out-evolving the smaller, nimbler
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Re: PESO - Portrait

2008-04-05 Thread Bruce Dayton
Many thanks.  Glad you liked them.

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Saturday, April 5, 2008, 2:27:14 PM, you wrote:

DC Bruce Dayton wrote:
 Last Friday I had to shoot a portrait of my daughter for her music
 resume she was preparing for school.  Shot in the house with two
 Alien Bees lights.  These three were the finalists.

 K10D, DA* 50-135/2.8

 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/amberviola_0012c.htm
 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/amberviola_0020b.htm
 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/amberviola_0032b.htm


   

DC Catching up...these are all beautiful, Bruce. But I like the impishness
DC of the first. Great vignetting too.

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Re: K200D filenames

2008-04-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Brian Walters wrote:
 On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 14:49:08 -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 said:
  
 Because cameras don't embed an ICC profile in JPEG files (for  
 whatever reason), the convention of having a filename change to  
 indicate the Adobe RGB colorspace was accepted some years ago. Once  
 these conventions come into being, it's a very slow process to change  
 them.
 
 That's interesting.  Is there a reason why cameras don't embed a colour
 space?  Originally, I had assumed that if you selected Abobe RGB (for
 example) as the in-camera colour space that the camera would embed it in
 the image.  I can't think of a reason why this doesn't happen, but I may
 be showing my ignorance here (again...)

Because Raw files aren't *in* sRGB or Adobe RGB colorspace, they're in 
the hardware-defined colorspace of the camera's sensor, which is much 
broader than either Adobe or sRGB.


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Re: Daylight savings

2008-04-05 Thread Bob Sullivan
My cameras don't do daylight savings time (or the Oz equivalent).
I don't remember to change them when I travel thru time zones.  :-(
Regards,  Bob S.

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 On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 07:29:55 +1000, Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  If you are in NSW, while you are going around the house changing the
  clocks, don't forget your digcams. I left it for a month on the last
  changeover.
 


 Great three more bloody clocks to change :-)

 Actually, I've never remembered to change the time on any of my digicams
 in the past.  For the sort of photography I do, I'm not sure an hour one
 way or the other matters all that much.


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Re: K200D filenames

2008-04-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 5, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
 Because cameras don't embed an ICC profile in JPEG files (for
 whatever reason), the convention of having a filename change to
 indicate the Adobe RGB colorspace was accepted some years ago. Once
 these conventions come into being, it's a very slow process to  
 change
 them.

 That's interesting.  Is there a reason why cameras don't embed a  
 colour
 space?  Originally, I had assumed that if you selected Abobe RGB (for
 example) as the in-camera colour space that the camera would embed  
 it in
 the image.  I can't think of a reason why this doesn't happen, but  
 I may
 be showing my ignorance here (again...)

 Because Raw files aren't *in* sRGB or Adobe RGB colorspace, they're in
 the hardware-defined colorspace of the camera's sensor, which is much
 broader than either Adobe or sRGB.

That's part of the answer, but the question as to why cameras don't  
embed an ICC into in-camera rendered JPEG files is probably more to  
do with a legacy of limited available computing resources and now  
wouldn't that be a good idea! than anything else.

The practice of tagging files with embedded ICC profiles as a norm is  
only a recent development in digital imaging as popularity and use of  
digital images becomes more widespread. There is still only one  
browser (Apple's Safari) in full production release that honors ICC  
profiles, for instance. Others are working on it but this portion of  
digital image management with concerns for the fidelity of rendering  
is still in its infancy.

Godfrey

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Re: K200D filenames

2008-04-05 Thread Brian Walters

On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 00:05:06 +0200, Marcus A. Hofmann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
  By the way - how do you like the K200D?  I'm trying to decide if I  
  need
  to go with the K20D or whether the K200D will be sufficient for my
  needs.
 
 I've had it for about four weeks now and I took roughly 1500 pictures  
 with it. Overall, I am very satisfied. For my needs, at least, the  
 K200D is totally sufficient.
 
 I chose the K200D over the entry level models by Canikon etc. simply  
 for the better ergonomics, and didn't care about technical  
 specifications a lot. I just played around with it, played with the  
 menues, took some pictures, and went for the K200D because it had the  
 better feel to it. Just touching the EOS 400 and D40x's plastic bodies  
 felt, well, cheap. The K200D is plastic, too, but it just feels better.
 
 I chose it over the K20D because what the K20D has to offer over the  
 K200D for ME doen't justify the higher price tag. There is really only  
 one thing that I miss, and that is an easier way to switch from AF.S  
 to AF.C and to turn forced spot AF on and off more easily. I  
 especially didn't see a big difference between the K200D and K20D  
 viewfinders that everybody is talking about. The K200D viewfinder is  
 great (I don't wear glasses or contacts).
 
 The Energizer Lithium batteries that came with it lasted well over 900  
 shots, and I was playing with the menues and looking at the pictures a  
 lot, I really didn't try to maximize battery life. I am now using four  
 Varta rechargeables which lasted well over 500 shots the first time.  
 So the battery life is fine.
 
 To be quite honest, besides the MacBook Pro I got last year this K200D  
 is probably the only other piece of electronic equipment I have bought  
 in the past five years that is not dissapointing in one way or  
 another. I got the 18-55 kit lens, the DA 40 Limited and the DA*  
 50-135 with it, and that's really a great setup to get started. I'll  
 get a 21 Limited as soon as I find one, but they seem to be either  
 sold out or overpriced around where I live.
 
 
 Marcus
 
 
 
 
 
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  p
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Re: Superman, the Pentax K20D, and 8 FPS?

2008-04-05 Thread Timber
let's hope we will have a new firmware soon :D

What I don't understand:
With K20D it became clear that DSLRs can make cont. shots without having 
to flip the mirror for every single shot. Why can't we have a continuous 
shooting mode like this but not with 1.2 Mpix?

.t

Roman Melihhov wrote:
 http://daviddoctorrose.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/superman-the-pentax-k20d-and-a-simple-idea/
 Did I miss something? To my knowledge K20 does 3 FPS and low res 21FPS 
 in burst mode. Where did this Pentax ad campaign message came from?


   


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Re: K200D filenames

2008-04-05 Thread Brian Walters
Thanks, Marcus

I'm not in any rush to upgrade from the DS but I'll have to look very
closely at the K200D.

The viewfinder issue is one that I'll need to consider - I do wear
glasses.  I have no problem with the viewfinder on the DS and I wonder
how much difference a penta-mirror would make.  My son has the *istDL so
I'll do some comparisons between it and the DS the next time we're
together.

I quite like the idea of being able to stick with rechargeable AA
batteries.  I'm using Sanyo Eneloops in the DS and they seem to last
forever!



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On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 00:05:06 +0200, Marcus A. Hofmann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
  By the way - how do you like the K200D?  I'm trying to decide if I  
  need
  to go with the K20D or whether the K200D will be sufficient for my
  needs.
 
 I've had it for about four weeks now and I took roughly 1500 pictures  
 with it. Overall, I am very satisfied. For my needs, at least, the  
 K200D is totally sufficient.
 
 I chose the K200D over the entry level models by Canikon etc. simply  
 for the better ergonomics, and didn't care about technical  
 specifications a lot. I just played around with it, played with the  
 menues, took some pictures, and went for the K200D because it had the  
 better feel to it. Just touching the EOS 400 and D40x's plastic bodies  
 felt, well, cheap. The K200D is plastic, too, but it just feels better.
 
 I chose it over the K20D because what the K20D has to offer over the  
 K200D for ME doen't justify the higher price tag. There is really only  
 one thing that I miss, and that is an easier way to switch from AF.S  
 to AF.C and to turn forced spot AF on and off more easily. I  
 especially didn't see a big difference between the K200D and K20D  
 viewfinders that everybody is talking about. The K200D viewfinder is  
 great (I don't wear glasses or contacts).
 
 The Energizer Lithium batteries that came with it lasted well over 900  
 shots, and I was playing with the menues and looking at the pictures a  
 lot, I really didn't try to maximize battery life. I am now using four  
 Varta rechargeables which lasted well over 500 shots the first time.  
 So the battery life is fine.
 
 To be quite honest, besides the MacBook Pro I got last year this K200D  
 is probably the only other piece of electronic equipment I have bought  
 in the past five years that is not dissapointing in one way or  
 another. I got the 18-55 kit lens, the DA 40 Limited and the DA*  
 50-135 with it, and that's really a great setup to get started. I'll  
 get a 21 Limited as soon as I find one, but they seem to be either  
 sold out or overpriced around where I live.
 
 
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Re: K200D filenames

2008-04-05 Thread Brian Walters
Thanks Mark, Godfrey

I understood about colour space and RAW files but I do switch to jpg
quite a bit (shock, horror!!) and wondered why the colour space info
wasn't embedded in them.


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On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 15:34:24 -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
 On Apr 5, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 
  That's interesting.  Is there a reason why cameras don't embed a  
  colour
  space?  Originally, I had assumed that if you selected Abobe RGB (for
  example) as the in-camera colour space that the camera would embed  
  it in
  the image.  I can't think of a reason why this doesn't happen, but  
  I may
  be showing my ignorance here (again...)
 
  Because Raw files aren't *in* sRGB or Adobe RGB colorspace, they're in
  the hardware-defined colorspace of the camera's sensor, which is much
  broader than either Adobe or sRGB.
 
 That's part of the answer, but the question as to why cameras don't  
 embed an ICC into in-camera rendered JPEG files is probably more to  
 do with a legacy of limited available computing resources and now  
 wouldn't that be a good idea! than anything else.
 
 The practice of tagging files with embedded ICC profiles as a norm is  
 only a recent development in digital imaging as popularity and use of  
 digital images becomes more widespread. There is still only one  
 browser (Apple's Safari) in full production release that honors ICC  
 profiles, for instance. Others are working on it but this portion of  
 digital image management with concerns for the fidelity of rendering  
 is still in its infancy.
 
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Re: PESO - Alleycat!

2008-04-05 Thread Derby Chang
frank theriault wrote:
 Every so often, bike messengers have illegal races in the city streets
 called Alleycats.

 In the lead is one of the riders for whom I dispatch, Pete (with the
 helmet), but he didn't win...

 http://tinyurl.com/2ja6ce

 http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/R-zloaIJ98I/BvI/UJ_epcsE_qo/s1600-h/mar_28.jpg

 Taken whilst riding next to them.  I may have actually been looking
 through the viewfinder...

 Comments always welcome.

 cheers,
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Is this like Point Break for bikers? Excellent 
in-the-middle-of-the-action shot.

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Re: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff

2008-04-05 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Mark Roberts 
Subject: Re: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff



 Welcome to the 21st century and the era of the Big Box retailer. :(
 (Ironic that the dinosaur analogy breaks down here because it's the 
 lumbering giants that are out-evolving the smaller, nimbler shops...)
 

Not out evolving so much as crushing them under their weight.

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Re: Superman, the Pentax K20D, and 8 FPS?

2008-04-05 Thread Bob Sullivan
I think it has something to do with bit transfer rates out of the imaging chip.
The pipe is only so big to take it out to the Sd card.
21 small images or 3 big ones...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Timber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 let's hope we will have a new firmware soon :D

 What I don't understand:
 With K20D it became clear that DSLRs can make cont. shots without having
 to flip the mirror for every single shot. Why can't we have a continuous
 shooting mode like this but not with 1.2 Mpix?

 .t

 Roman Melihhov wrote:
  http://daviddoctorrose.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/superman-the-pentax-k20d-and-a-simple-idea/
  Did I miss something? To my knowledge K20 does 3 FPS and low res 21FPS
  in burst mode. Where did this Pentax ad campaign message came from?
 
 
 


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Re: K200D filenames

2008-04-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Brian Walters wrote:
 Thanks Mark, Godfrey
 
 I understood about colour space and RAW files but I do switch to jpg
 quite a bit (shock, horror!!) and wondered why the colour space info
 wasn't embedded in them.

It *should* be. Perhaps there's a problem with your camera.

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Re: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff

2008-04-05 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb wrote:
 - Original Message - 
 
 Welcome to the 21st century and the era of the Big Box retailer. :(
 (Ironic that the dinosaur analogy breaks down here because it's the 
 lumbering giants that are out-evolving the smaller, nimbler shops...)
 
 Not out evolving so much as crushing them under their weight.

Now *that's* an apt metaphor.

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RE: My first A* Lens

2008-04-05 Thread J. C. O'Connell
i Stand by what I said earlier, the designation A or A* is no
good because it only tells you that the lens has auto aperture
or auto aperture high performance.
There is no way of knowing whether any particular A or A* is
a compact design the way the K an M told designations told you.
jco

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In this case it probably means both.  The A* is identical to the M* 300 
in every way including performance, which is very, very good in my 
experience.  It is however a very compact lens and it does have it's 
limitations.  It isn't particularly close focusing, well that does seem 
to be it's major limitation.  The example I showed was a real world 
shot.  I started to enumerate the reasons why this shot wasn't perfect 
but gave up.  I don't know why I respond to any of JCO's posts even at 
third hand, he's always finds the dark cloud around the silver lining.

Doug Franklin wrote:
 J. C. O'Connell wrote:

   
 UNLESS, does A* mean compact A? I always thought it meant
 high performance A, not compact A.
 

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Re: K200D filenames

2008-04-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Apr 5, 2008, at 4:33 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
 I understood about colour space and RAW files but I do switch to jpg
 quite a bit (shock, horror!!) and wondered why the colour space info
 wasn't embedded in them.

 It *should* be. Perhaps there's a problem with your camera.

Mark, that's incorrect.

The Pentax DSLR cameras will set the colorspace to sRGB or Adobe RGB  
and generated the data according to that colorspace profile  
calibration but none of them embed an ICC profile into the resulting  
JPEG file.

I made two (one sRGB, the other Adobe RGB) exposures with the K10D,  
in JPEG mode, and checked a couple of JPEGs I made in years past with  
the *ist DS. EXIFtool shows the colorspace setting as part of the  
EXIF information, but there is no profile embedded in the file. If I  
then open them with Photoshop, it complains there is no profile and  
asks me if I want to assign one. If I do, and 'save as' to a new JPEG  
file embedding the profile, EXIFtool shows the embedded profile on  
that one.

Nothing is wrong with Bryan's camera. Or with mine. This is simply  
how it works. IMGP is the prefix code that says sRGB data and  
'_IGP' is the prefix code that says Adobe RGB data.

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Re: K200D filenames

2008-04-05 Thread Brian Walters
Yes, that' exactly what I see when opening a jpg in Photoshop.

Not a big issue - just wondering (it's a slow morning here :-)  )


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  If I  
 then open them with Photoshop, it complains there is no profile and  
 asks me if I want to assign one. If I do, and 'save as' to a new JPEG  
 file embedding the profile, EXIFtool shows the embedded profile on  
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Re: K200D filenames

2008-04-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 The Pentax DSLR cameras will set the colorspace to sRGB or Adobe RGB
 and generated the data according to that colorspace profile
 calibration but none of them embed an ICC profile into the resulting
 JPEG file.

Wow. I suppose it's a way of keeping the file sizes smaller.


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Re: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff

2008-04-05 Thread Walter Hamler
Mark, you and others make some good points. However, I have talked to
our local full service camera/hobby store and they told some pretty
dreary stories about how the Pentax rep would rarely visit their store
or do much of any communicating. Eventually the store owners just
dropped Pentax from the line. They lament that they would love to
carry Pentax but it's hard to do meaningful business with a voice on
the other end of a phone or via cryptic emails.
One of the owners gave me the name and phone number of a camera store
in another southern city that sold tons of Pentax gear because they
had a responsive sales rep. I was very surprised to learn it was the
very same store in the city I grew up in and where I bought all my
photo gear as a young teen just getting into the hobby. That was over
50 years ago. For any store to not only survive but even flourish in
this day and era says a lot about how they do business.

Walt

On 4/5/08, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 John Celio wrote:
  http://theonlinephotographer.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html
 
  I think this explains what has happened. Anyone want a job?
 
  Wow, interesting!  I wonder how this will affect their relationship with
  shops like the one I used to work at.  I also wonder how one goes about
  applying for one of those jobs!

 Sadly, the *reason* for changes like this is that stores like the one
 you used to work at (and the one I used to work at) are going the way of
 the dinosaur. This is simply a recognition of that reality.

 I think the days of sales reps who visit local stores (and I mean this
 in general - not just Pentax and, in fact, not just the camera business)
 are numbered.

 Welcome to the 21st century and the era of the Big Box retailer. :(
 (Ironic that the dinosaur analogy breaks down here because it's the
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Re: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff

2008-04-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Walter Hamler wrote:
 Mark, you and others make some good points. However, I have talked to
 our local full service camera/hobby store and they told some pretty
 dreary stories about how the Pentax rep would rarely visit their store
 or do much of any communicating. Eventually the store owners just
 dropped Pentax from the line. They lament that they would love to
 carry Pentax but it's hard to do meaningful business with a voice on
 the other end of a phone or via cryptic emails.
 One of the owners gave me the name and phone number of a camera store
 in another southern city that sold tons of Pentax gear because they
 had a responsive sales rep. I was very surprised to learn it was the
 very same store in the city I grew up in and where I bought all my
 photo gear as a young teen just getting into the hobby. That was over
 50 years ago. For any store to not only survive but even flourish in
 this day and era says a lot about how they do business.

That's true, but it would seem to me that the new Pentax plan is 
designed to address just that problem. In the past, many reps would 
devote most of their attention to places that moved the biggest numbers, 
at the expense of the enthusiast shops. In the age of the Big Box store, 
that tendency is even stronger. Pentax's division of their staff into 
teams specific to specialty shops, mass merchandisers and online 
retailers seems like a deliberate move to counter this tendency. I think 
it's a very smart thing for them to do.

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PESO: Break Out

2008-04-05 Thread David Savage
G'day All,

Another one from yesterday. Same subject as in the diptych, just a
different perspective (~170kb)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3200/2389377730_fe3402abe3_o.jpg

K20D, Voigtländer 125mm f2.5 Macro APO Lanthar, 1/1000 @ f5.6, ISO 400

Any  all comments welcome.

Cheers,

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OT: A Flag, a Busing Fight, and a Famous Photograph

2008-04-05 Thread Perry Pellechia
I thought this was an interesting essay on a famous photo from 1976.
The fact that the photo is misleading (as the essay describes) shows
how an image has its own truth and can add to its power.

A Flag, a Busing Fight, and a Famous Photograph
Louis Masur talks about the legacy of The Soiling of Old Glory, a
picture that shocked the nation.

On April 5, 1976, the year of the American bicentennial, Stanley
Forman, a photographer with the now defunct Boston Herald American,
took 1/250th of a second out of his day to take a picture that remains
a defining illustration of race in America.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/national/2008/04/04/a-flag-a-busing-fight-and-a-famous-photograph.html

http://tinyurl.com/6zat7q

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PESO: Lighthouse Keeper's Kitchen

2008-04-05 Thread Rick Womer
This is from the grounds of the lighthouse on Tybee
Island, GA, near Savannah, which are being restored
and preserved as a museum.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7137052

K10D, DA 16-45, ISO 400, f/8 @ 1/180, RAW via LR.

Rick


  

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Re: PESO: Break Out

2008-04-05 Thread Derby Chang
David Savage wrote:
 G'day All,

 Another one from yesterday. Same subject as in the diptych, just a
 different perspective (~170kb)

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3200/2389377730_fe3402abe3_o.jpg

 K20D, Voigtländer 125mm f2.5 Macro APO Lanthar, 1/1000 @ f5.6, ISO 400

 Any  all comments welcome.

 Cheers,

 Dave

   

They look like a pair of extremely slender, but shapely and silky legs. 
Sexy.

D

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PESO -- Black Mountain Tambourine

2008-04-05 Thread Mike Hamilton
Another live music photo.  Hoping to get some comments about this  
shot! :)  My last one didn't get any notice.

http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/2008/04/05/black-mountain-starlite-room- 
march-31-2008/

Band: Black Mountain
Camera: K10D @ iso 1250, 1/30s
Lens: SMC Takumar 105/2.8

Comments/critiques welcome!

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Re: PESO 2008 - 60 (set of 16) - GDG

2008-04-05 Thread Rick Womer
I really like these.

--- Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Some street photos in San Francisco ...
 
   

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157604387278924/
 
 Comments and critique always appreciated.
 
 enjoy
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Re: PESO -- Black Mountain Tambourine

2008-04-05 Thread Rick Womer
Excellent!  Strong composition, strong lighting,
simple.

The URL is rather long, so it took some copying and
pasting to get to the photo.  This would reduce the
number of views and comments! You might try
tinyurl.com.

Rick

--- Mike Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Another live music photo.  Hoping to get some
 comments about this  
 shot! :)  My last one didn't get any notice.
 

http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/2008/04/05/black-mountain-starlite-room-
 
 march-31-2008/
 
 Band: Black Mountain
 Camera: K10D @ iso 1250, 1/30s
 Lens: SMC Takumar 105/2.8
 
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Re: PESO -- Night Scene

2008-04-05 Thread Rick Womer
What Ira said.

Rick

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 I really like it.  Normally, the presence of the
 orange and white barrel would be annoying, but
 because of the way the light caught it, it really
 pulls me in to the building which is the important
 part of the scene.
 
 Ira
 
 
 On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 00:46:51 -0500
 P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Bad title but it's late.
  
  I was walking across Yale's campus tonight after
 taking in a concert, 
  when she said I don't think I've ever seen that
 building before.  Well 
  she must have at one time or other, but during the
 day it's a 
  nondescript  office building at night it looks a
 little different.
  
 

http://www.mindspring.com/~distilfink/PESO%20--%20nightscene.html
  
  Equipment:  Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax FA 43mm f1.9
 limited
  
  As usual comments are welcome but may be totally
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Re: Pentax Fires USA Sales Staff

2008-04-05 Thread Christine Aguila

- Original Message - 
From: Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Mark, you and others make some good points. However, I have talked to
 our local full service camera/hobby store and they told some pretty
 dreary stories about how the Pentax rep would rarely visit their store
 or do much of any communicating. Eventually the store owners just
 dropped Pentax from the line. They lament that they would love to
 carry Pentax but it's hard to do meaningful business with a voice on
 the other end of a phone or via cryptic emails.

A few months ago, while talking to the manager at Calumet Photo near Cherry 
 Division sts in Chicago, I learned the Pentax Rep for this store used to 
be based in a nearby suburb of Chg, but the new rep (at that time) was based 
out of New York.  Perhaps a harbinger of what we now know.

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Re: For those with teenagers...

2008-04-05 Thread Christine Aguila
Dave:  LOL!  I don't have kids, but I have a teenage nephew.  When I talk to 
him, and after having seen your video, I recall a good many conversations 
like this I had with my parents when I was a teenager.  Cheers, Christine


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 ... those who deal with them regularly:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_veIGGP1Uh4


 Cheers,

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Re: gallery visit ...

2008-04-05 Thread Christine Aguila

- Original Message - 
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 Michael Kenna is not entirely to my taste, although I understand his
 appeal and recognise that he's a really good photographer. I do like a
 lot of his Japanese work though - it's a very appropriate country for
 his style.

 There's a video of him at work here:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3glZrvAFVUU


This was really great to see, and Kenna's work--especially the Japanese 
prints--were fantastic.  The industrial shots, more specifically, the ship  
the factory pictures, called to mind Eisentein's Potemkin, but don't 
misunderstand me here:  I'm not saying Kenna's work is exactly like or very 
similar to Kenna's.  Just that Kenna's work made me think of Eisentein.

Thanks for posting that Bob W.  I didn't know of Kenna's work, and this was 
a great introduction to it.

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Re: K200D filenames

2008-04-05 Thread Christine Aguila

- Original Message - 
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 I got the 18-55 kit lens, the DA 40 Limited and the DA*
 50-135 with it, and that's really a great setup to get started.

Marcus:  How do you like the DA 40 Limited?  I'm pretty sure I'm going to 
get this lens soon, but would be very interested in your views on the lens.

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Re: PESO: Break Out

2008-04-05 Thread Christine Aguila
David Savage wrote:

 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3200/2389377730_fe3402abe3_o.jpg

From: Derby Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED]

They look like a pair of extremely slender, but shapely and silky legs. 
Sexy.

D

I thought the exact same thing as Derby!  Nice job, Dave.

Cheers, Christine


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Re: PESO 2008 - 59 - GDG

2008-04-05 Thread Christine Aguila
Godfrey:  Nice.  Does make one think of Rear Window, like others have said. 
Cheers, Christine


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Subject: PESO 2008 - 59 - GDG


A triptych considering ...

 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/59-focusing.jpg
 Olympus E-1 + Summilux-D 25mm f/1.4 ASPH
 ISO 400 @ f/2.5 @ 1/500 sec

 Comments and critique always appreciated.

 enjoy
 Godfrey

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Re: PESO 2008 - 60 (set of 16) - GDG

2008-04-05 Thread Christine Aguila
Godfrey:  Of the set, I really like 2 untitled shots:  1) looking down at 
the people with the striped floor  2) the woman sitting near the cafe 
window with guy-on-phone reflection.
Cheers, Christine



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Subject: PESO 2008 - 60 (set of 16) - GDG


 Some street photos in San Francisco ...

   http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets/72157604387278924/

 Comments and critique always appreciated.

 enjoy
 Godfrey

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Re: Justin @ 8 months

2008-04-05 Thread Christine Aguila
Hi Jerome:  Great expressions on the 3rd one.  You have a lovely looking 
family.  I quite like the lion too.  Well done there.  Cheers, Christine


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Subject: PESO: Justin @ 8 months


 Every month I put together a gallery to highlight my family's meanderings.
 Here are my 3 favorites from this month:

 http://tinyurl.com/49cl8a
 http://tinyurl.com/3pl2nm
 http://tinyurl.com/4yjgss


 Justin is about 8 months old in all 3 photos. The latter was taken at the
 zoo playground using Continuous focus on the K10D. It was my first time
 using that feature for anything worthwhile and I was impressed with how it
 kept up with the motion.

 Here's another just for kicks (Lioness @ the zoo):

 http://tinyurl.com/4oqefd

 Taken with the k10D and the 400mm, tripod mounted of course. I hate that
 it's cropped so tightly, but I had nowhere to back up!

 Comments welcomed.
 Jerome.

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Re: PESO - Water dragon

2008-04-05 Thread Christine Aguila
Jostein:  I very much like this.  Nice silky feel to it--and I see the 
dragon shape.  Cheers, Christine


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 http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2008/04/water-dragon.html

 As with the previous abstract, I'm on terra incognita here so comments
 much appreciated.

 Best,
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Re: PESO -- Black Mountain Tambourine

2008-04-05 Thread Christine Aguila
Mike:  Excellent.  I really like the subject, composition,  rendering here. 
Cheers, Christine


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Subject: PESO -- Black Mountain Tambourine


 Another live music photo.  Hoping to get some comments about this
 shot! :)  My last one didn't get any notice.

 http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/2008/04/05/black-mountain-starlite-room-
 march-31-2008/

 Band: Black Mountain
 Camera: K10D @ iso 1250, 1/30s
 Lens: SMC Takumar 105/2.8

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April PUG is up

2008-04-05 Thread Scott Loveless
The PUG is up at http://pug.komkon.org/.  I need to install a newer 
version of the software that handles the submit form, so I'll let you 
know in a day or two when the form for May is up.  May's theme, btw, is 
Red Shirt.

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Re: Lighthouse Keeper's Kitchen

2008-04-05 Thread Christine Aguila
Hi Rick:  A very nice scene, Rick.  Interesting light coming through the 
window  nice shadow detail.  I'd like to have that in my kitchen.  I wonder 
though if you should rotate the photo a half degree to the left?

Cheers, Christine



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Subject: PESO: Lighthouse Keeper's Kitchen


 This is from the grounds of the lighthouse on Tybee
 Island, GA, near Savannah, which are being restored
 and preserved as a museum.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7137052

 K10D, DA 16-45, ISO 400, f/8 @ 1/180, RAW via LR.

 Rick


 
 
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re: PESO -- Black Mountain Tambourine

2008-04-05 Thread Mike Hamilton

Rick Womer Wrote:

 Excellent!  Strong composition, strong lighting,
 simple.

 The URL is rather long, so it took some copying and
 pasting to get to the photo.  This would reduce the
 number of views and comments! You might try
 tinyurl.com.

 Rick

Thanks, Rick.  Sorry about the URL.  I normally place it in  ,, but  
Ill consider the Tinyurl too.  Thanks!

Mike

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