Re: Anyone using a Bigma 50-500..................

[John Whittingham]

Hi Patrick

Yes it's a great lens by all accounts, I was considering A Sigma 400/5.6 APO 
Tele Macro (s/h) and 1.4x 2x EX converters but I'm back to my SR problems 
with converters. I'm thinking of forgetting the SR problem and getting myself 
a lighter tripod to carry, then whenever I need to use a TC for extra reach 
I'll tripod mount and switch SR off

Regards,

John

On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:36:42 +0200, Patrick Genovese wrote
> One other combo you might want to look at is the 100-300 f/4 + 1.4x 
> tc That gets you to 420mm at 5.6 and the 100-300 is very highly 
> regarded..  The only downside of that is that the K10D does not seem 
> to be aware that a TC is in use and hence the SR system's 
> performance is not as good as it should be coz it is correcting for 
> a shorter focal length.
> 
> Regards
> Patrick
> 
> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 12:34 PM, John Whittingham 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, 8 May 2008 11:02:54 +0200, Patrick Genovese wrote
> >> To be honest I had the same concern prior to buying the lens but as
> >> it turns out the zoom mechanism is very smooth and is well damped to
> >> permit smooth control.. So is the AF .. it has a focus clutch for MF
> >> that damps the af ring very nicely.  The only down side of the
> >> extending zoom is that it shifts the balance slightly although this
> >> is not a major concern. I found that the damping on my manfrotto 393
> >> handles this shift in balance well enough that i can let go of the
> >> camera/lens combo in any zoom position and the camera will stay put
> >> where i leave it.  The lens also features a zoom lock that prevents
> >> the lens from extending when being carried.
> >>
> >> Bottom line ... in real life i don't find that the extending zoom is
> >> an issue.
> >
> > Thanks Patrick, that's reassuring to know. I was thinking of trying to 
find
> > a Sigma 400 f/5.6 APO Tele Macro to go with the 70-200/2.8 EX and 300/4 
APO
> > but considering the weight I'd be carrying and the problems I have with
> > teleconverters the Bigma is looking like a better solution. In reality the
> > Sigma 300-800 would be great but funds won't allow.
> >
> >> My only peeve with the lens (and all sigma ex lenses) is that the
> >> lovely sigma EX finish tends to scuff quite easily.
> >
> > Yes I've experienced that too.
> >
> >> regards
> >>
> >> Patrick
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > John
> >
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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

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On Fri, 09 May 2008 18:49:19 -0400, Mark Roberts wrote
> Dysthymic Prognosticators?

I'll have to look that on up it's 7.30am in UK.

John
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PESO 2008 - 79 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

More photos from a walk ...

   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/79-bushbuds.jpg
   Bush Buds - Sunnyvale 2008
   Panasonic L1 + Olympus ZD 25mm f/2.8
   ISO 400 @ f/6.3 @ 1/20 sec

Comments and critique always appreciated.

This photo was taken with the new Olympus 25mm prime. It is almost  
exactly the same size as the Pentax DA21mm f/3.2 Limited and makes  
for a very compact, light weight normal prime lens on the 4/3 System  
bodies. Just what I was looking for. I wrote up some first  
impressions and posted them to DPReview's Olympus SLR Forum if you're  
interested:

   http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? 
forum=1022&message=27875323

enjoy
Godfrey

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PESO: Red Shirt & Government (Re post - dead link)

[David Savage]

(Sorry about this folks. After posting this shot originally I went
back to correct a wonkey horizontal & reposted it to Flickr. However
that killed the original direct link so here it is again.)

G'day All,

I didn't get a shot in for the May PUG as I didn't really have anything.

Or at least I didn't think I did, until last night when I was browsing
through some photos from last years trip (~140kb)




K10D, DA 16-45mm f4 @ 23mm, 1/60 @ f11, ISO 100, 3 shots stitched in
PTGui, B&W processing via Lightroom.

As always any & all comments welcome.

Cheers,

Dave

PS for those who want to see a full sized version, one can be found
here ( 5522x3919px ~2.5MB):



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Re: K20 and manual aperture lenses- JUST TWEEK HER

[David Savage]

Caps lock dude. Turn it off.

2008/5/10 J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> THIS IS ALL MOOT, I HAVE FOUND WITH K AND M LENSES TO JUST
> ESTIMATE EXPOSURE BASED ON YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OR USE GREEN BUTTON
>
>
> AND THEN
> TWEEK FSTOP OR SHUTTER SPEED SETTINGS
>
>
> BASED ON THE FIRST TEST EXPOSURE HISTOGRAM. THERE IS NO WAY YOU ARE
> GOING TO GET BETTER RESULTS THAN TWEEKING. ONLY ISSUE IS
> SPEED. BUT IF SPEED IS OF THE ESSENCE, YOU SHOULD BE
> USING KA OR KAF NOT K OR M.
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RE: K20 and manual aperture lenses- JUST TWEEK HER

[J. C. O'Connell]

THIS IS ALL MOOT, I HAVE FOUND WITH K AND M LENSES TO JUST
ESTIMATE EXPOSURE BASED ON YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OR USE GREEN BUTTON


AND THEN
TWEEK FSTOP OR SHUTTER SPEED SETTINGS 


BASED ON THE FIRST TEST EXPOSURE HISTOGRAM. THERE IS NO WAY YOU ARE
GOING TO GET BETTER RESULTS THAN TWEEKING. ONLY ISSUE IS
SPEED. BUT IF SPEED IS OF THE ESSENCE, YOU SHOULD BE
USING KA OR KAF NOT K OR M.
JCO

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John
Francis
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Subject: Re: K20 and manual aperture lenses



It's also got something to do with the angle of incidence of the light on
the metering screen.  The K10D (and later cameras) have a screen that's
quite different from the one in the D bodies. The K10D compensates for the
non-linear response of the system, but it assumes metering is being done
wide open (I don't know what it assumes for a pre-A lens, but I'd guess
f/2.8 or f/4.0). But if you're using stop-down metering at a small aperture
the K10D calculates the exposure incorrectly.

I'm glad I decided, back when I got my PZ-1p in 1995, to stick with a
guideline of "A or later" for lens accquisitions.


On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 11:03:57PM -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Bill,
> 
> I've found some exposure error as well with K and M series lenses and 
> the green button. Somebody else mentioned it, and I don't understand 
> it?
> 
> I thought the green button closed the aperture down and measured light 
> exposure values. I can't imagine how this is off, but here is an 
> example with K35/2 lens. (The lens was set at different apertures and 
> green button pressed before exposure.)
> 
> http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/K352ApertureTestOnK20d
> 
> As you move away from wide open (f2) to smaller apertures (f12.8), 
> light moves toward overexposure. (You can see more light in the big 
> shadow on the right.) This did the same with an M400/5.6 although I 
> didn't post the details.
> 
> All I can figure is that it has something to do with the aperture 
> lever being linear. Since the A lenses (and later), the movement has 
> been linear. With the earlier M and K lenses, the movement is 
> non-linear. Is it possible that the K20D measures the right exposure, 
> and then sets a matching A lens aperture,
> not closing the lens all the way down to the f12.8 we have set?
> 
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 8:56 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > One of the guys on the Pentax Dysfunctional Web Forum chalenged me 
> > to test my K20 exposure system with manual aperture lenses (green 
> > button manual). The camera failed miserably, over exposing by quite 
> > a large amount at all f-stops but maximum and minimum. Would it be 
> > possible for some others of us to run the following test:
> >
> > Put a non A series lens onto their camera doesn't matter which, but 
> > it would be nice to have details, and run a series of exposures from 
> > maximum aperture to minimum aperture to test the linearity of the 
> > metering and perhaps report back.
> >
> > Sorry if this has been discussed before.
> >
> > I ran the test with several lenses, and then put an original 
> > equipment istD screen into the K20 as buddy thought that the screen 
> > itself was at fault, and insisted that it had been a problem with 
> > every DSLR since the istD. The screen was not the problem.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
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Re: K20 and manual aperture lenses

[John Francis]

It's also got something to do with the angle of incidence of
the light on the metering screen.  The K10D (and later cameras)
have a screen that's quite different from the one in the D bodies.
The K10D compensates for the non-linear response of the system,
but it assumes metering is being done wide open (I don't know
what it assumes for a pre-A lens, but I'd guess f/2.8 or f/4.0).
But if you're using stop-down metering at a small aperture the
K10D calculates the exposure incorrectly.

I'm glad I decided, back when I got my PZ-1p in 1995, to stick
with a guideline of "A or later" for lens accquisitions.


On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 11:03:57PM -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Bill,
> 
> I've found some exposure error as well with K and M series lenses and
> the green button.
> Somebody else mentioned it, and I don't understand it?
> 
> I thought the green button closed the aperture down and measured light
> exposure values.
> I can't imagine how this is off, but here is an example with K35/2 lens.
> (The lens was set at different apertures and green button pressed
> before exposure.)
> 
> http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/K352ApertureTestOnK20d
> 
> As you move away from wide open (f2) to smaller apertures (f12.8),
> light moves toward overexposure.
> (You can see more light in the big shadow on the right.)
> This did the same with an M400/5.6 although I didn't post the details.
> 
> All I can figure is that it has something to do with the aperture
> lever being linear.
> Since the A lenses (and later), the movement has been linear.
> With the earlier M and K lenses, the movement is non-linear.
> Is it possible that the K20D measures the right exposure, and then
> sets a matching A lens aperture,
> not closing the lens all the way down to the f12.8 we have set?
> 
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 8:56 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > One of the guys on the Pentax Dysfunctional Web Forum chalenged me to test 
> > my K20 exposure
> > system with manual aperture lenses (green button manual).
> > The camera failed miserably, over exposing by quite a large amount at all 
> > f-stops but maximum
> > and minimum.
> > Would it be possible for some others of us to run the following test:
> >
> > Put a non A series lens onto their camera doesn't matter which, but it 
> > would be nice to have
> > details, and run a series of exposures from maximum aperture to minimum 
> > aperture to test the
> > linearity of the metering and perhaps report back.
> >
> > Sorry if this has been discussed before.
> >
> > I ran the test with several lenses, and then put an original equipment istD 
> > screen into the K20
> > as buddy thought that the screen itself was at fault, and insisted that it 
> > had been a problem
> > with every DSLR since the istD. The screen was not the problem.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
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Re: K20 and manual aperture lenses

[P. J. Alling]

The sensitivity of the meter is effected by the amount of light it's 
reading.  Open aperture metering is actually more accurate if your lens 
coupling is properly calibrated to the offset from wide open.  (I[m 
tired and this probably makes no sense, but I know what I'm saying I'll 
try to make sense tomorrow).

Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Bill,
>
> I've found some exposure error as well with K and M series lenses and
> the green button.
> Somebody else mentioned it, and I don't understand it?
>
> I thought the green button closed the aperture down and measured light
> exposure values.
> I can't imagine how this is off, but here is an example with K35/2 lens.
> (The lens was set at different apertures and green button pressed
> before exposure.)
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/K352ApertureTestOnK20d
>
> As you move away from wide open (f2) to smaller apertures (f12.8),
> light moves toward overexposure.
> (You can see more light in the big shadow on the right.)
> This did the same with an M400/5.6 although I didn't post the details.
>
> All I can figure is that it has something to do with the aperture
> lever being linear.
> Since the A lenses (and later), the movement has been linear.
> With the earlier M and K lenses, the movement is non-linear.
> Is it possible that the K20D measures the right exposure, and then
> sets a matching A lens aperture,
> not closing the lens all the way down to the f12.8 we have set?
>
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 8:56 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> One of the guys on the Pentax Dysfunctional Web Forum chalenged me to test 
>> my K20 exposure
>> system with manual aperture lenses (green button manual).
>> The camera failed miserably, over exposing by quite a large amount at all 
>> f-stops but maximum
>> and minimum.
>> Would it be possible for some others of us to run the following test:
>>
>> Put a non A series lens onto their camera doesn't matter which, but it would 
>> be nice to have
>> details, and run a series of exposures from maximum aperture to minimum 
>> aperture to test the
>> linearity of the metering and perhaps report back.
>>
>> Sorry if this has been discussed before.
>>
>> I ran the test with several lenses, and then put an original equipment istD 
>> screen into the K20
>> as buddy thought that the screen itself was at fault, and insisted that it 
>> had been a problem
>> with every DSLR since the istD. The screen was not the problem.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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Re: PESO: Red Shirt & Government

[Bob Sullivan]

Dave, Love the detail in the big photo...   Bob S.

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:12 PM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> LOL.
>
> They are your northern neighbour. Well, north & way over to the west.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave (She was also a blood nut too.)
>
>
> 2008/5/10 Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Dave,
>> Must be England.  The girl in the red shirt is exceptionally
>> white...no sunshine or tan on her!
>> Regards, Bob S.
>>
>> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:01 PM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> G'day All,
>>>
>>> I didn't get a shot in for the May PUG as I didn't really have anything.
>>>
>>> Or at least I didn't think I did, until last night when I was browsing
>>> through some photos from last years trip (~140kb)
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> K10D, DA 16-45mm f4 @ 23mm, 1/60 @ f11, ISO 100, 3 shots stitched in
>>> PTGui, B&W processing via Lightroom.
>>>
>>> As always any & all comments welcome.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> PS for those who want to see a full sized version, one can be found
>>> here ( 5522x3919px ~2.5MB):
>>>
>>> 
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Re: PESO: Red Shirt & Government

[David Savage]

LOL.

They are your northern neighbour. Well, north & way over to the west.

Cheers,

Dave (She was also a blood nut too.)


2008/5/10 Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Dave,
> Must be England.  The girl in the red shirt is exceptionally
> white...no sunshine or tan on her!
> Regards, Bob S.
>
> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:01 PM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> G'day All,
>>
>> I didn't get a shot in for the May PUG as I didn't really have anything.
>>
>> Or at least I didn't think I did, until last night when I was browsing
>> through some photos from last years trip (~140kb)
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> K10D, DA 16-45mm f4 @ 23mm, 1/60 @ f11, ISO 100, 3 shots stitched in
>> PTGui, B&W processing via Lightroom.
>>
>> As always any & all comments welcome.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> PS for those who want to see a full sized version, one can be found
>> here ( 5522x3919px ~2.5MB):
>>
>> 

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Re: K20 and manual aperture lenses

[Adam Maas]

On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bill,
>
>  I've found some exposure error as well with K and M series lenses and
>  the green button.
>  Somebody else mentioned it, and I don't understand it?
>

>
>  On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 8:56 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > One of the guys on the Pentax Dysfunctional Web Forum chalenged me to test 
> my K20 exposure
>  > system >  I thought the green button closed the aperture down and measured 
> light
>  exposure values.
>  I can't imagine how this is off, but here is an example with K35/2 lens.
>  (The lens was set at different apertures and green button pressed
>  before exposure.)
>
>  http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/K352ApertureTestOnK20d
>
>  As you move away from wide open (f2) to smaller apertures (f12.8),
>  light moves toward overexposure.
>  (You can see more light in the big shadow on the right.)
>  This did the same with an M400/5.6 although I didn't post the details.
>
>  All I can figure is that it has something to do with the aperture
>  lever being linear.
>  Since the A lenses (and later), the movement has been linear.
>  With the earlier M and K lenses, the movement is non-linear.
>  Is it possible that the K20D measures the right exposure, and then
>  sets a matching A lens aperture,
>  not closing the lens all the way down to the f12.8 we have set?
>
>  Regards,  Bob S.
>

One issue I noted is that it's surprisingly easy to drop the meter out
of its range when shooting in anything other than daylight.
-- 
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Re: Screwdriver

[David Savage]

2008/5/10 Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> - Original Message -
> From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Subject: Re: Screwdriver
>
>
>> 2008/5/10 Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>> Subject: Re: Screwdriver
>>>
>>>

 On May 9, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
>> So to clarify -- you didn't get screwed?
>>
> No Ann, it appears he bolted.=

 Terrible behavior for such a stud, eh?
>>>
>>> Oh nuts.
>>
>> Nothing but torque, torque, torque...
>
> Okay, now we need another thread.

I agree, this one has been tapped & is about to die.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: PESO: Red Shirt & Government

[Bob Sullivan]

Dave,
Must be England.  The girl in the red shirt is exceptionally
white...no sunshine or tan on her!
Regards, Bob S.

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:01 PM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> G'day All,
>
> I didn't get a shot in for the May PUG as I didn't really have anything.
>
> Or at least I didn't think I did, until last night when I was browsing
> through some photos from last years trip (~140kb)
>
> 
> 
>
> K10D, DA 16-45mm f4 @ 23mm, 1/60 @ f11, ISO 100, 3 shots stitched in
> PTGui, B&W processing via Lightroom.
>
> As always any & all comments welcome.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
> PS for those who want to see a full sized version, one can be found
> here ( 5522x3919px ~2.5MB):
>
> 
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Re: Screwdriver

[Ken Waller]

- Original Message - 
From: "David Savage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: Screwdriver


> 2008/5/10 Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>> Subject: Re: Screwdriver
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On May 9, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
> So to clarify -- you didn't get screwed?
>
 No Ann, it appears he bolted.=
>>>
>>> Terrible behavior for such a stud, eh?
>>
>> Oh nuts.
> 
> Nothing but torque, torque, torque...

Okay, now we need another thread.

Kenneth Waller
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> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave


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Re: K20 and manual aperture lenses

[Bob Sullivan]

Bill,

I've found some exposure error as well with K and M series lenses and
the green button.
Somebody else mentioned it, and I don't understand it?

I thought the green button closed the aperture down and measured light
exposure values.
I can't imagine how this is off, but here is an example with K35/2 lens.
(The lens was set at different apertures and green button pressed
before exposure.)

http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/K352ApertureTestOnK20d

As you move away from wide open (f2) to smaller apertures (f12.8),
light moves toward overexposure.
(You can see more light in the big shadow on the right.)
This did the same with an M400/5.6 although I didn't post the details.

All I can figure is that it has something to do with the aperture
lever being linear.
Since the A lenses (and later), the movement has been linear.
With the earlier M and K lenses, the movement is non-linear.
Is it possible that the K20D measures the right exposure, and then
sets a matching A lens aperture,
not closing the lens all the way down to the f12.8 we have set?

Regards,  Bob S.



On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 8:56 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One of the guys on the Pentax Dysfunctional Web Forum chalenged me to test my 
> K20 exposure
> system with manual aperture lenses (green button manual).
> The camera failed miserably, over exposing by quite a large amount at all 
> f-stops but maximum
> and minimum.
> Would it be possible for some others of us to run the following test:
>
> Put a non A series lens onto their camera doesn't matter which, but it would 
> be nice to have
> details, and run a series of exposures from maximum aperture to minimum 
> aperture to test the
> linearity of the metering and perhaps report back.
>
> Sorry if this has been discussed before.
>
> I ran the test with several lenses, and then put an original equipment istD 
> screen into the K20
> as buddy thought that the screen itself was at fault, and insisted that it 
> had been a problem
> with every DSLR since the istD. The screen was not the problem.
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: Screwdriver

[David Savage]

2008/5/10 Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Screwdriver
>
>
>>
>> On May 9, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
 So to clarify -- you didn't get screwed?

>>> No Ann, it appears he bolted.=
>>
>> Terrible behavior for such a stud, eh?
>
> Oh nuts.

Nothing but torque, torque, torque...

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PESO: Red Shirt & Government

[David Savage]

G'day All,

I didn't get a shot in for the May PUG as I didn't really have anything.

Or at least I didn't think I did, until last night when I was browsing
through some photos from last years trip (~140kb)




K10D, DA 16-45mm f4 @ 23mm, 1/60 @ f11, ISO 100, 3 shots stitched in
PTGui, B&W processing via Lightroom.

As always any & all comments welcome.

Cheers,

Dave

PS for those who want to see a full sized version, one can be found
here ( 5522x3919px ~2.5MB):



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Re: Screwdriver

[Ken Waller]

- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Screwdriver


> 
> On May 9, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
>>> So to clarify -- you didn't get screwed?
>>>
>> No Ann, it appears he bolted.=
> 
> Terrible behavior for such a stud, eh?

Oh nuts.
Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

> 
> G


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Re: K20 and manual aperture lenses

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 9, 2008, at 7:37 PM, William Robb wrote:

>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adam Maas"
> Subject: Re: K20 and manual aperture lenses
>
>
>> I had issues like this on the K100D, but the D, K10D and DS were all
>> fine. I don't own the K20D but will note that the D300 I do own has
>> issues with accurate exposure if a non-CPU lens is defined with an
>> aperture smaller than f4 and Matrix metering is selected (It will
>> underexpose by 1-2 stops in that case). Nobody's perfect.
>
> Hmmm, something I didn't think about was metering pattern. Does the  
> K10/K20 allow pattern
> metering with non A lenses?

No, Pattern metering switches to centerweighted averaging.

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Re: K20 and manual aperture lenses

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

This means they haven't changed anything over the K10D behavior in  
this metering mode.

The *ist DS did a good job. The K10D does not.

G

On May 9, 2008, at 6:56 PM, William Robb wrote:

> One of the guys on the Pentax Dysfunctional Web Forum chalenged me  
> to test my K20 exposure
> system with manual aperture lenses (green button manual).
> The camera failed miserably, over exposing by quite a large amount  
> at all f-stops but maximum
> and minimum.
> Would it be possible for some others of us to run the following test:
>
> Put a non A series lens onto their camera doesn't matter which, but  
> it would be nice to have
> details, and run a series of exposures from maximum aperture to  
> minimum aperture to test the
> linearity of the metering and perhaps report back.
>
> Sorry if this has been discussed before.
>
> I ran the test with several lenses, and then put an original  
> equipment istD screen into the K20
> as buddy thought that the screen itself was at fault, and insisted  
> that it had been a problem
> with every DSLR since the istD. The screen was not the problem.
>

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Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH

[David Savage]

2008/5/10 Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> That's not ugly bokeh. It's extreme DOF. He probably shot at f11 or
> so.


F6.7 for the first & f8 for the other 2 according to the EXIF data.

In any event it's not a good bokeh test given the relatively close
distance between  BG & FG elements combined with the apertures
selected.

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Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH

[Jack Davis]

Don't recall ever having seen that foreground double image ripple like effect. 
???

Jack


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> From: Jim King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 4:48 PM
> Paul Stenquist wrote on Fri, 09 May 2008 15:31:32 -0700
> 
> > That's not ugly bokeh. It's extreme DOF. He
> probably shot at f11 or
> > so. Almost everything is in focus, so it's busy.
> > But let's start a rumor that it has horrible
> bokeh:-).
> 
> LOL!  Great idea, Paul - let's drive the price down so
> we can more  
> easily afford it.
> I agree that it's not classic ugly bokeh that we are
> seeing in those  
> images, just a
> confused and slightly OOF background.
> Regards, Jim
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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

[David Savage]

2008/5/10 Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> More hand wringing from Dpreview! I checked my camera for hot pixels.
>> Nary a one that I can see.
>
> What does the "DP" in DP Review stand for?
>
> Disaster Predictions?
> Dire Premonitions?
> Doom Proponents?
> Dysthymic Prognosticators?

Dumb Phucks!!!

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Re: K20 and manual aperture lenses

[Adam Maas]

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:37 PM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  - Original Message -
>  From: "Adam Maas"
>  Subject: Re: K20 and manual aperture lenses
>
>
>
> >I had issues like this on the K100D, but the D, K10D and DS were all
>  > fine. I don't own the K20D but will note that the D300 I do own has
>  > issues with accurate exposure if a non-CPU lens is defined with an
>  > aperture smaller than f4 and Matrix metering is selected (It will
>  > underexpose by 1-2 stops in that case). Nobody's perfect.
>
>  Hmmm, something I didn't think about was metering pattern. Does the K10/K20 
> allow pattern
>  metering with non A lenses?
>
>  William Robb
>

No, that's a feature unique to recent high-end Nikon's and a couple of
old Nikon bodies (F4 and FA). All four of the Pentax DSLR's I've owned
default to centre-weighted metering, as did all the Canons and the
older Nikons that supported AI metering (not all Nikons have an
aperture simulator).


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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

[Jack Davis]

...or..Dumb Prixels. 

Jack


--- On Fri, 5/9/08, Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: K20D Hot Pixels
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 6:56 PM
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>  > Mark Roberts wrote:
>  >> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> More hand wringing from Dpreview! I checked
> my camera for hot pixels.
>  >>> Nary a one that I can see.
>  >>>
>  >> What does the "DP" in DP Review stand
> for?
>  >>
>  >> Disaster Predictions?
>  >> Dire Premonitions?
>  >> Doom Proponents?
>  >> Dysthymic Prognosticators?
>  >>
>  > Dead Pixels
> 
> Mark Roberts wrote:
> 
> Come to think of it, "Dead Pixels" might be an
> appropriate term for the
> people who hang out there...
> 
> -
> 
> Including Msroberts?
> 
> Joe
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Curious Auctions

[Joseph Tainter]

I know we shouldn't discuss current auctions here, but I am also 
confident that no one here is foolish enough to bid on a dodgy one.

Does anyone else think it strange that a certain auction site suddenly 
has three FA* 85 F1.4s for sale?

Two are in China and one in Poland. I recall that this dealer in Poland 
has from time to time advertised some extraordinary lenses, and 
questions have been raised about him.

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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

[David Savage]

2008/5/10 Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> DP Who?

Double Penetration?

For those looking for any reason to be screwed. Any which way?

Cheers,

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Re: K20 and manual aperture lenses

[Joseph Tainter]

Hmmm, something I didn't think about was metering pattern. Does the 
K10/K20 allow pattern metering with non A lenses?

William Robb

-

I believe it defaults to center-weighted averaging.

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Re: K20 and manual aperture lenses

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Maas"
Subject: Re: K20 and manual aperture lenses


>I had issues like this on the K100D, but the D, K10D and DS were all
> fine. I don't own the K20D but will note that the D300 I do own has
> issues with accurate exposure if a non-CPU lens is defined with an
> aperture smaller than f4 and Matrix metering is selected (It will
> underexpose by 1-2 stops in that case). Nobody's perfect.

Hmmm, something I didn't think about was metering pattern. Does the K10/K20 
allow pattern 
metering with non A lenses?

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Re: Screwdriver

[David Savage]

2008/5/10 Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 9/5/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Here's a photo I took of him while I was enjoying my screwdriver:
>>
>>http://www.web-options.com/MY.jpg
>>
>>Bob
>
> That's a super shot.

Ditto wot Cotty said.

Cheers,

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Re: K20 and manual aperture lenses

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph Tainter"
Subject: Re: K20 and manual aperture lenses


> Bill wrote:
>
> "One of the guys on the Pentax Dysfunctional Web Forum chalenged me to
> test my K20 exposure system with manual aperture lenses (green button
> manual). The camera failed miserably, over exposing by quite a large
> amount at all f-stops but maximum and minimum."
>
> There were complaints (at dpreview) along these lines with the K10D, but
> I didn't follow them. The only non-A lens I have used on the DSLRs is
> the Zenitar 16 mm Fisheye, which worked fine on the *ist D with the
> green button. Since I got the DA 10-17 Fisheye I haven't used the Zenitar.

The istD was, apparently, the only camera that would green button manual 
correct exposure with 
manual aperture lenses. All subsequent models have exposure wonks.
Or so I have read.

William Robb 


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Re: K20 and manual aperture lenses

[Adam Maas]

I had issues like this on the K100D, but the D, K10D and DS were all
fine. I don't own the K20D but will note that the D300 I do own has
issues with accurate exposure if a non-CPU lens is defined with an
aperture smaller than f4 and Matrix metering is selected (It will
underexpose by 1-2 stops in that case). Nobody's perfect.

-Adam

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>
>  "One of the guys on the Pentax Dysfunctional Web Forum chalenged me to
>  test my K20 exposure system with manual aperture lenses (green button
>  manual). The camera failed miserably, over exposing by quite a large
>  amount at all f-stops but maximum and minimum."
>
>  There were complaints (at dpreview) along these lines with the K10D, but
>  I didn't follow them. The only non-A lens I have used on the DSLRs is
>  the Zenitar 16 mm Fisheye, which worked fine on the *ist D with the
>  green button. Since I got the DA 10-17 Fisheye I haven't used the Zenitar.
>
>  Joe
>
>
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Re: K20 and manual aperture lenses

[Joseph Tainter]

Bill wrote:

"One of the guys on the Pentax Dysfunctional Web Forum chalenged me to 
test my K20 exposure system with manual aperture lenses (green button 
manual). The camera failed miserably, over exposing by quite a large 
amount at all f-stops but maximum and minimum."

There were complaints (at dpreview) along these lines with the K10D, but 
I didn't follow them. The only non-A lens I have used on the DSLRs is 
the Zenitar 16 mm Fisheye, which worked fine on the *ist D with the 
green button. Since I got the DA 10-17 Fisheye I haven't used the Zenitar.

Joe

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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

[Joseph Tainter]

P. J. Alling wrote:
 > Mark Roberts wrote:
 >> Paul Stenquist wrote:
 >>
 >>> More hand wringing from Dpreview! I checked my camera for hot pixels.
 >>> Nary a one that I can see.
 >>>
 >> What does the "DP" in DP Review stand for?
 >>
 >> Disaster Predictions?
 >> Dire Premonitions?
 >> Doom Proponents?
 >> Dysthymic Prognosticators?
 >>
 > Dead Pixels

Mark Roberts wrote:

Come to think of it, "Dead Pixels" might be an appropriate term for the
people who hang out there...

-

Including Msroberts?

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K20 and manual aperture lenses

[William Robb]

One of the guys on the Pentax Dysfunctional Web Forum chalenged me to test my 
K20 exposure 
system with manual aperture lenses (green button manual).
The camera failed miserably, over exposing by quite a large amount at all 
f-stops but maximum 
and minimum.
Would it be possible for some others of us to run the following test:

Put a non A series lens onto their camera doesn't matter which, but it would be 
nice to have 
details, and run a series of exposures from maximum aperture to minimum 
aperture to test the 
linearity of the metering and perhaps report back.

Sorry if this has been discussed before.

I ran the test with several lenses, and then put an original equipment istD 
screen into the K20 
as buddy thought that the screen itself was at fault, and insisted that it had 
been a problem 
with every DSLR since the istD. The screen was not the problem.

Thanks


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Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist"
Subject: Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH


>I do know what you're seeing here has nothing to do with the
> rendering of out of focus elements. Could be due to unsharp mask
> application as Robb indicated or perhaps just a bad mix of sharp
> edges in an almost-in-focus location. All the DA* 300/4 pics I've
> seen have been beautiful, and the rabbit is rendered quite nicely
> here. A lens that renders out of focus elements nicely can't fix a
> horrible background or a bad choice of f-stop.

I recall Alan Chan posted some pictures some time ago taken with his 77mm lens 
that showed the 
most awful bokeh. The 77 is renowned for having excellent OOF rendering under 
most conditions.

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Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH

[John Francis]

On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 07:57:07PM -0400, Doug Franklin wrote:
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
> > That's not ugly bokeh. It's extreme DOF. He probably shot at f11 or  
> > so. Almost everything is in focus, so it's busy.
> > But let's start a rumor that it has horrible bokeh:-).
> 
> I don't know ... those doubled out of focus edges, especially on the 
> leaves and the bird's feathers, are killing me, whatever the cause.
> 
> -- 
> Thanks,
> DougF (KG4LMZ)

I agree.  The out-of-focus foreground in the first image sucks.


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Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH

[Paul Stenquist]

I do know what you're seeing here has nothing to do with the  
rendering of out of focus elements. Could be due to unsharp mask  
application as Robb indicated or perhaps just a bad mix of sharp  
edges in an almost-in-focus location. All the DA* 300/4 pics I've  
seen have been beautiful, and the rabbit is rendered quite nicely  
here. A lens that renders out of focus elements nicely can't fix a  
horrible background or a bad choice of f-stop.
Paul
On May 9, 2008, at 7:57 PM, Doug Franklin wrote:
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> That's not ugly bokeh. It's extreme DOF. He probably shot at f11 or
>> so. Almost everything is in focus, so it's busy.
>> But let's start a rumor that it has horrible bokeh:-).
>
> I don't know ... those doubled out of focus edges, especially on the
> leaves and the bird's feathers, are killing me, whatever the cause.
>
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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

[Paul Stenquist]

Robb nailed it.
Game over.
On May 9, 2008, at 7:46 PM, William Robb wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Roberts"
> Subject: Re: K20D Hot Pixels
>
>
>> Cotty wrote:
>>> On 9/5/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
 What does the "DP" in DP Review stand for?

 Disaster Predictions?
 Dire Premonitions?
 Doom Proponents?
 Dysthymic Prognosticators?
>>>
>>> Deep Pan.
>>
>> Delerium Photographens
>
> Dysfunctional Pixelpeepers
>
> William Robb
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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

[Tim Øsleby]

2008/5/10 William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Roberts"
> Subject: Re: K20D Hot Pixels
>
>
>> Cotty wrote:
>>> On 9/5/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
 What does the "DP" in DP Review stand for?

 Disaster Predictions?
 Dire Premonitions?
 Doom Proponents?
 Dysthymic Prognosticators?
>>>
>>> Deep Pan.
>>
>> Delerium Photographens
>
> Dysfunctional Pixelpeepers
>
> William Robb

DPR = Dysfunctional Pixel Rippers

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Re: wife's *ist Ds

[Steve Larson]

lol, I am going to change out the batteries too, I don't know how old they 
are.
Thanks again Sir Bill !!

Steve

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>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Steve Larson"
> Subject: Re: wife's *ist Ds
>
>
>> Hi Bill,
>> Thanks! Will do. I like easy, lol
>
> I've heard that about you.
> It may not help, but it's the first thing to try when exposure go 
> occassionaly wonky.
> The istD also does all sorts of weird and unpredictable things when it has 
> a weak battery.
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Re: wife's *ist Ds

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Subject: Re: wife's *ist Ds


> Hi Bill,
> Thanks! Will do. I like easy, lol

I've heard that about you.
It may not help, but it's the first thing to try when exposure go occassionaly 
wonky.
The istD also does all sorts of weird and unpredictable things when it has a 
weak battery.

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Re: wife's *ist Ds

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Hi Bill,
 Thanks! Will do. I like easy, lol

Steve

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> - Original Message - 
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> Subject: wife's *ist Ds
>
>
>> Hi folks,
>> Well the wife used her new ist today, and about 2% turned out dark for no
>> apparent reason. The rest of the pictures turned out beautiful. Any ideas
>> why a few turned out dark? The metering seemed exactly the same in the 
>> same
>> scenes. She was using a SMCA 50 1.4 on automatic and the lens was in A 
>> mode.
>
> Clean the contacts on both body and lens.
>
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Re: wife's *ist Ds

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Subject: wife's *ist Ds


> Hi folks,
> Well the wife used her new ist today, and about 2% turned out dark for no 
> apparent reason. The rest of the pictures turned out beautiful. Any ideas 
> why a few turned out dark? The metering seemed exactly the same in the same 
> scenes. She was using a SMCA 50 1.4 on automatic and the lens was in A mode.

Clean the contacts on both body and lens.

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Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH

[William Robb]

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> I don't know ... those doubled out of focus edges, especially on the 
> leaves and the bird's feathers, are killing me, whatever the cause.

Think "Unsharp Mask"

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Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH

[Doug Franklin]

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> That's not ugly bokeh. It's extreme DOF. He probably shot at f11 or  
> so. Almost everything is in focus, so it's busy.
> But let's start a rumor that it has horrible bokeh:-).

I don't know ... those doubled out of focus edges, especially on the 
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wife's *ist Ds

[Steve Larson]

Hi folks,
 Well the wife used her new ist today, and about 2% turned out dark for no 
apparent reason. The rest of the pictures turned out beautiful. Any ideas 
why a few turned out dark? The metering seemed exactly the same in the same 
scenes. She was using a SMCA 50 1.4 on automatic and the lens was in A mode.
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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Roberts" 
Subject: Re: K20D Hot Pixels


> Cotty wrote:
>> On 9/5/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> What does the "DP" in DP Review stand for?
>>>
>>> Disaster Predictions?
>>> Dire Premonitions?
>>> Doom Proponents?
>>> Dysthymic Prognosticators?
>> 
>> Deep Pan.
> 
> Delerium Photographens

Dysfunctional Pixelpeepers

William Robb

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Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH

[Jim King]

Paul Stenquist wrote on Fri, 09 May 2008 15:31:32 -0700

> That's not ugly bokeh. It's extreme DOF. He probably shot at f11 or
> so. Almost everything is in focus, so it's busy.
> But let's start a rumor that it has horrible bokeh:-).

LOL!  Great idea, Paul - let's drive the price down so we can more  
easily afford it.
I agree that it's not classic ugly bokeh that we are seeing in those  
images, just a
confused and slightly OOF background.
Regards, Jim

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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

[Mark Roberts]

Cotty wrote:
> On 9/5/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> What does the "DP" in DP Review stand for?
>>
>> Disaster Predictions?
>> Dire Premonitions?
>> Doom Proponents?
>> Dysthymic Prognosticators?
> 
> Deep Pan.

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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

[Jack Davis]

List wars..I love it!
Dunb Pixels!

Jack


--- On Fri, 5/9/08, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: K20D Hot Pixels
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 4:08 PM
> P. J. Alling wrote:
> > Mark Roberts wrote:
> >> Paul Stenquist wrote:
> >>   
> >>> More hand wringing from Dpreview! I checked my
> camera for hot pixels.  
> >>> Nary a one that I can see.
> >>> 
> >> What does the "DP" in DP Review stand
> for?
> >>
> >> Disaster Predictions?
> >> Dire Premonitions?
> >> Doom Proponents?
> >> Dysthymic Prognosticators?
> >>   
> > Dead Pixels
> 
> Come to think of it, "Dead Pixels" might be an
> appropriate term for the 
> people who hang out there...
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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

[Cotty]

On 10/5/08, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Deep Pan.


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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

[Cotty]

On 9/5/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

>What does the "DP" in DP Review stand for?
>
>Disaster Predictions?
>Dire Premonitions?
>Doom Proponents?
>Dysthymic Prognosticators?

Deep Pan.

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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

[Jack Davis]

Pleasing, but not unpredicted, review results, Peter. 
Always good reading.

Jack


--- On Fri, 5/9/08, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: K20D Hot Pixels
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 2:55 PM
> I just did an informal review of K20d hot pixel reports. 
> 
> 1.) All hot pixel reports in the first two pages of the
> Google search 
> point back to DP review.
> 
> 1a.) The elsewhere in the DPReview post seems to have been
> one Polish 
> site who used one raw converter, (DCRaw).  The translated
> review seemed 
> to be quite negitive based on the results, (and the fact
> that the K20D 
> is more or less a K10D with improved imaging capability). 
> I doubt that 
> DCRaw a "free" open source converter had been
> optimized for the K20D at 
> the time so I'd take their IQ results with a boulder of
> salt.
> 
> 2.) Every user report except for that from R*** H***, that
> I skimmed 
> basically said "hot pixels what hot pixels".
> 
> 3.) I think I'll go back to sleep now.
> 
> Final comment, (mine):  Sheash what freaking arseholes.
> 
> 
> Jim King wrote:
> > Jack Davis wrote on Fri, 09 May 2008 14:18:29 -0700
> >
> >   
> >> Just noticed this on dpreview. Speaks to a delay
> in testing the K20D  
> >> due to a
> >> "hot pixel" problem. A problem I
> don't recall reading about on PDML.
> >>
> >> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? 
> >> forums=1036&message=27852469
> >> 
> >
> > Well, the hounds are in full cry over there now.  A
> problem that  
> > nobody had noticed in the three months that the K20D
> has been out is  
> > now a major flaw in that camera, and prospective
> buyers are recoiling  
> > in alarm...
> >
> > Some people have nothing better to do, I guess. 
> Sheesh!
> >
> > Regards, Jim
> >
> >   
> 
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Re: Enabled

[Margus Männik]

Hi all,

yes, it's basically the minimum focussing distance. It's quite sharp 
even wide open and goes VERY sharp at f/6.3...f/8.
I've been travelling last days (unfortunately without SLR), but 
hopefully this weekend I'll find some hours to spend with this lens again.

BR, Margus


Bob Sullivan wrote:
> Very nice Margus!
> Looks like a very close focus.
> And sharp as well.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Margus Männik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Sometimes "home and sick" isn't that bad at all. At least I had time for
>> my DA*300 I got few days ago. When I handled it first (in January) I
>> wasn't sure to get it - DA*60-250 sounded better for me.  Now it seems
>> that I have to get 'em both. Yes, it will be expensive but also
>> extremely good solution.
>>
>> Just one flower macro shot with K20D + DA*300:
>> http://home.uninet.ee/~margus02/peso/flower300.jpg
>>
>> BR, Margus
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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

[Mark Roberts]

P. J. Alling wrote:
> Mark Roberts wrote:
>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>   
>>> More hand wringing from Dpreview! I checked my camera for hot pixels.  
>>> Nary a one that I can see.
>>> 
>> What does the "DP" in DP Review stand for?
>>
>> Disaster Predictions?
>> Dire Premonitions?
>> Doom Proponents?
>> Dysthymic Prognosticators?
>>   
> Dead Pixels

Come to think of it, "Dead Pixels" might be an appropriate term for the 
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Re: Screwdriver

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Paul Stenquist wrote:
> On May 9, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
>   
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "ann sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 2:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: Screwdriver
>>
>>
>> 
>>> So to clarify -- you didn't get screwed?
>>>
>>> a
>>>   
>> No Ann, it appears he bolted.
>> 
>
> That's nuts.
>   
You've really pinned it with that one.
>
>   
>>> Bob W wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 This morning I went to hospital to have the metalwork removed  
 from my
 wrist. But they didn't have the right kind of screwdriver, so they
 sent me home again. Amazing.

 Anyway, it's a beautiful day so I went round to see a friend who I
 knew would be at home, and he had the wit to pour me a nice long
 screwdriver to compensate ;o)

 Here's a photo I took of him while I was enjoying my screwdriver:

 http://www.web-options.com/MY.jpg

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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

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Mark Roberts wrote:
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>   
>> More hand wringing from Dpreview! I checked my camera for hot pixels.  
>> Nary a one that I can see.
>> 
>
> What does the "DP" in DP Review stand for?
>
> Disaster Predictions?
> Dire Premonitions?
> Doom Proponents?
> Dysthymic Prognosticators?
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>   
Dead Pixels

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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

[Mark Roberts]

Paul Stenquist wrote:
> More hand wringing from Dpreview! I checked my camera for hot pixels.  
> Nary a one that I can see.

What does the "DP" in DP Review stand for?

Disaster Predictions?
Dire Premonitions?
Doom Proponents?
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Re: It's Apple Blossom Time

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Thanks Christine.
On May 9, 2008, at 6:40 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:
> Paul:  That's lovely.  You out do yourself with each floral peso  
> you post.
> Cheers, Christine
>
>
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>
>
>> My crabapple tree is blooming. I can smell it the moment I walk out
>> the front door. The fragrance of the apple blossom is both floral and
>> fruit. Amazing. It surely must be counted among nature's greatest  
>> gifts.
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7243768&size=lg
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Re: Teleconverter

[Cotty]

On 9/5/08, drew, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I have a Vivitar 2x Teleconverter

If you buy a K20D and try and use it on there, apparently you'll have to
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Re: PESO 2008 - 78 - GDG

[Christine Aguila]

Godfrey:  I love this Daisy shot-- a lot!  That's really lovely.  Cheers, 
Christine


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Subject: PESO 2008 - 78 - GDG


Another photo from this morning's neighborhood walk.

   http://homepage.mac.com/godders/78-daisy.jpg
   Daisy - Sunnyvale 2008
   ©2008 by Godfrey DiGiorgi
   Olympus E-1 + Vario-Elmarit-D 14-50mm f/2.8-3.5 ASPH OIS
   ISO 800 @ f/7.1 @ 1/800 sec, fl=50mm

Comments and critique always appreciated.

I chose a high ISO setting to force more texture into the image and
pushed a slightly harder gamma curve. The flower was blowing all over
the place too so the short exposure time helped.

enjoy
Godfrey
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Re: PESOx5+1: My new toy!

[Christine Aguila]

Timber:  Those are fantastic!  Congrats on the new lens.  Cheers, Christine


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> Hi list!
>
> This is a few image with the Pentax DA 12-24 f4:
> 2 HDRs:
> http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/96784496
> http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/96784562
> And 3 almost totally unmodified picture (RAW shots + Lightroom + resize
> + framing):
> http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/96784729
> http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/96785354
> http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/96785385
>
> As you can see, I am really satisfied with this lens. Superb color,
> superb sharpness, superb everything. :D
>
> Oh and it survived the first raining already :D
> http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/96785766
>
> Cheers,
> .t
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Re: Screwdriver

[Cotty]

On 9/5/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Here's a photo I took of him while I was enjoying my screwdriver:
>
>http://www.web-options.com/MY.jpg
>
>Bob

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Re: It's Apple Blossom Time

[Christine Aguila]

Paul:  That's lovely.  You out do yourself with each floral peso you post. 
Cheers, Christine


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> My crabapple tree is blooming. I can smell it the moment I walk out
> the front door. The fragrance of the apple blossom is both floral and
> fruit. Amazing. It surely must be counted among nature's greatest gifts.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7243768&size=lg
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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

[Paul Stenquist]

More hand wringing from Dpreview! I checked my camera for hot pixels.  
Nary a one that I can see.
Paul
On May 9, 2008, at 5:18 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
> Just noticed this on dpreview. Speaks to a delay in testing the  
> K20D due to a "hot pixel" problem. A problem I don't recall reading  
> about on PDML.
>
> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? 
> forums=1036&message=27852469
>
> Jack
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Re: K10D debug menu with firmware 1.3 available...

[Cotty]

On 9/5/08, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Take that Cotty

Mmmft?

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Re: Screwdriver

[Paul Stenquist]

On May 9, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "ann sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 2:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Screwdriver
>
>
>> So to clarify -- you didn't get screwed?
>>
>> a
>
> No Ann, it appears he bolted.
>>

That's nuts.


>>
>> Bob W wrote:
>>
>>> This morning I went to hospital to have the metalwork removed  
>>> from my
>>> wrist. But they didn't have the right kind of screwdriver, so they
>>> sent me home again. Amazing.
>>>
>>> Anyway, it's a beautiful day so I went round to see a friend who I
>>> knew would be at home, and he had the wit to pour me a nice long
>>> screwdriver to compensate ;o)
>>>
>>> Here's a photo I took of him while I was enjoying my screwdriver:
>>>
>>> http://www.web-options.com/MY.jpg
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Anyone using a Bigma 50-500..................

[Patrick Genovese]

One other combo you might want to look at is the 100-300 f/4 + 1.4x tc
That gets you to 420mm at 5.6 and the 100-300 is very highly
regarded..  The only downside of that is that the K10D does not seem
to be aware that a TC is in use and hence the SR system's performance
is not as good as it should be coz it is correcting for a shorter
focal length.

Regards
Patrick

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> On Thu, 8 May 2008 11:02:54 +0200, Patrick Genovese wrote
>> To be honest I had the same concern prior to buying the lens but as
>> it turns out the zoom mechanism is very smooth and is well damped to
>> permit smooth control.. So is the AF .. it has a focus clutch for MF
>> that damps the af ring very nicely.  The only down side of the
>> extending zoom is that it shifts the balance slightly although this
>> is not a major concern. I found that the damping on my manfrotto 393
>> handles this shift in balance well enough that i can let go of the
>> camera/lens combo in any zoom position and the camera will stay put
>> where i leave it.  The lens also features a zoom lock that prevents
>> the lens from extending when being carried.
>>
>> Bottom line ... in real life i don't find that the extending zoom is
>> an issue.
>
> Thanks Patrick, that's reassuring to know. I was thinking of trying to find
> a Sigma 400 f/5.6 APO Tele Macro to go with the 70-200/2.8 EX and 300/4 APO
> but considering the weight I'd be carrying and the problems I have with
> teleconverters the Bigma is looking like a better solution. In reality the
> Sigma 300-800 would be great but funds won't allow.
>
>> My only peeve with the lens (and all sigma ex lenses) is that the
>> lovely sigma EX finish tends to scuff quite easily.
>
> Yes I've experienced that too.
>
>> regards
>>
>> Patrick
>
> Regards,
>
> John
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Re: It's Apple Blossom Time

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Ken. It's that fresh time of year.
Paul
On May 9, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
> Nice fresh looking image.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: PESO: It's Apple Blossom Time
>
>
>> My crabapple tree is blooming. I can smell it the moment I walk out
>> the front door. The fragrance of the apple blossom is both floral and
>> fruit. Amazing. It surely must be counted among nature's greatest  
>> gifts.
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7243768&size=lg
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Re: Why I won't be buying a K20D.......yet!

[Paul Stenquist]

Hadn't seen this one, Christian. Superb!
Paul
On May 9, 2008, at 12:31 PM, Christian wrote:
> This shot kinda sucks too.  No detail, color problems, soft, etc.  All
> the issues you'd expect using a TC which I use pretty much all the  
> time
> when I'm shooting birds:
>
> http://links.pictures.aol.com/pic/2d202SU7xah202JL7C4tZUZ- 
> g32GSH2m71BZv4xQp5Fd3Ig=_l.jpg
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> Oh yeah, I shot it on a tripod using some sort of electronic image
> stabilization. :-P
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Re: PESO: It's Apple Blossom Time

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Bob. I prefer spring as well. May is my favorite month here in  
Michigan.
Paul
On May 9, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Bob W wrote:
>>
>> My crabapple tree is blooming. I can smell it the moment I walk out
>
>> the front door. The fragrance of the apple blossom is both
>> floral and
>> fruit. Amazing. It surely must be counted among nature's
>> greatest gifts.
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7243768&size=lg
>>
>
> Beautiful. I love this time of year when everything is fresh and
> green, and the colours are really vibrant in the sunshine. I much
> prefer the colours of spring to those of autumn.
>
> Bob
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Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH

[Paul Stenquist]

That's not ugly bokeh. It's extreme DOF. He probably shot at f11 or  
so. Almost everything is in focus, so it's busy.
But let's start a rumor that it has horrible bokeh:-).
Paul
On May 9, 2008, at 12:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi List!
>
> Does anyone has experience with the DA*300/f4?
>
> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp? 
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> Is the bokeh really this ugly with the lens?
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> Cheers,
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Re: PESO: It's Apple Blossom Time

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Godders. Spring inspires, doesn't it?
Paul
On May 9, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
> On May 9, 2008, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
>> My crabapple tree is blooming. I can smell it the moment I walk out
>> the front door. The fragrance of the apple blossom is both floral and
>> fruit. Amazing. It surely must be counted among nature's greatest
>> gifts.
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7243768&size=lg
>
> Very nice, Paul!
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Re: Screwdriver

[Paul Stenquist]

I like it as well. Great light.
Paul
On May 9, 2008, at 11:49 AM, drew wrote:
> Bob W wrote:
>> This morning I went to hospital to have the metalwork removed from my
>> wrist. But they didn't have the right kind of screwdriver, so they
>> sent me home again. Amazing.
>>
>> Anyway, it's a beautiful day so I went round to see a friend who I
>> knew would be at home, and he had the wit to pour me a nice long
>> screwdriver to compensate ;o)
>>
>> Here's a photo I took of him while I was enjoying my screwdriver:
>>
>> http://www.web-options.com/MY.jpg
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>
> I really like that picture... Can't explain why though.
>
> Drew.
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Re: Teleconverter

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 9, 2008, at 2:39 PM, drew wrote:

> I have a Vivitar 2x Teleconverter that came with a P30 I bought ages
> ago. I have just tried it on my *ist-DL but it does not appear to  
> meter
> correctly, Every shot is overexposed and the aperture does not display
> on the camera. It calls itself a PK-A/R-PK.
> I suppose by question is, should the camera be able to display the
> aperture and should it be able to meter correctly with an A lens?

A proper Pentax-A series lens should allow the body to use all  
metering modes and control the aperture from the body with the lens  
aperture ring locked on the A setting. The marking on the  
teleconverter suggests that it ought to ... PK-A == Pentax-A, R-PK ==  
Ricoh-Pentax K ... but not all of them work correctly.

Be careful with lenses that have the PK/R-PK markings ... there are  
various permutations of this marking. They can jam on the lens mount  
because Ricoh has a pin that slides into a hole it shouldn't connect  
to on Pentax-KAF mounts.

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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 9, 2008, at 2:27 PM, Jim King wrote:

> Jack Davis wrote on Fri, 09 May 2008 14:18:29 -0700
>
>> Just noticed this on dpreview. Speaks to a delay in testing the K20D
>> due to a
>> "hot pixel" problem. A problem I don't recall reading about on PDML.
>>
>> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?
>> forums=1036&message=27852469
>
> Well, the hounds are in full cry over there now.  A problem that
> nobody had noticed in the three months that the K20D has been out is
> now a major flaw in that camera, and prospective buyers are recoiling
> in alarm...
>
> Some people have nothing better to do, I guess.  Sheesh!

DP Who?

G

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Re: Screwdriver

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 9, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
>> So to clarify -- you didn't get screwed?
>>
> No Ann, it appears he bolted.=

Terrible behavior for such a stud, eh?

G

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Re: GESO: More motorcycles!

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On May 9, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

>>> http://www.robertstech.com/gal_10.htm
>>
>> Oh dear.  I recognised the Guzzi brake for what it was from the  
>> thumbnail.  That makes me a sad old git, I do believe.
>>
>> Do you have a better pic of the Detroit?
>
>
> Here's one:
> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/detroit.jpg
> This is a really small museum with so much crammed into it that there
> was no place to get a decent shot of it with a satisfactory  
> background.

Nice bikey pics, Mark. It's been a while since I went to a motor  
museum. They are all crammed up and jammed in this way, though ...  
It's a pain to take photos.

You'd love visiting the Sammy Miller Museum in New Milton, UK.
   http://museum.sammymiller.co.uk/

Godfrey

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Re: Teleconverter

[Brian Walters]

On Fri, 09 May 2008 22:39:24 +0100, "drew"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:


> I suppose by question is, should the camera be able to display the 
> aperture and should it be able to meter correctly with an A lens?
> 


Depends on how you use it.

If you set the aperture on the lens in Av mode, the camera fires with
the lens fully open no matter what aperture you set.  You need to set
the lens on 'A' and adjust the aperture via the dial on the camera body.


Cheers

Brian

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Re: Teleconverter

[P. J. Alling]

Forgot to mention that my CPC converter is an A/R compatible as well.

P. J. Alling wrote:
> The A/R would indicate that it's a Ricoh as well as Pentax A mount 
> compatible.  I've got an CPC 2x adapter, (made by Pentax according to 
> Boz's site), which seems to work fine on my MZ-3 and ZX-5n, (well 
> electronically at least, the optics are a different story), but never 
> worked correctly on either *ist-D or Ds.  I believe that the R(icoh), 
> part of the specification probably breaks the A protocol as far as the 
> DSLRs are concerned. I just learned to live with it, (not like I use it 
> much).  Hell, I paid $3.00 for that particular converter so I guess I 
> can't complain much.
>
> drew wrote:
>   
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a Vivitar 2x Teleconverter that came with a P30 I bought ages 
>> ago. I have just tried it on my *ist-DL but it does not appear to meter 
>> correctly, Every shot is overexposed and the aperture does not display 
>> on the camera. It calls itself a PK-A/R-PK.
>> I suppose by question is, should the camera be able to display the 
>> aperture and should it be able to meter correctly with an A lens?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Drew.
>>
>>   
>> 
>
>
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Re: Teleconverter

[P. J. Alling]

The A/R would indicate that it's a Ricoh as well as Pentax A mount 
compatible.  I've got an CPC 2x adapter, (made by Pentax according to 
Boz's site), which seems to work fine on my MZ-3 and ZX-5n, (well 
electronically at least, the optics are a different story), but never 
worked correctly on either *ist-D or Ds.  I believe that the R(icoh), 
part of the specification probably breaks the A protocol as far as the 
DSLRs are concerned. I just learned to live with it, (not like I use it 
much).  Hell, I paid $3.00 for that particular converter so I guess I 
can't complain much.

drew wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a Vivitar 2x Teleconverter that came with a P30 I bought ages 
> ago. I have just tried it on my *ist-DL but it does not appear to meter 
> correctly, Every shot is overexposed and the aperture does not display 
> on the camera. It calls itself a PK-A/R-PK.
> I suppose by question is, should the camera be able to display the 
> aperture and should it be able to meter correctly with an A lens?
>
> Thanks,
> Drew.
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Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH

[Doug Franklin]

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> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=27840420
> Is the bokeh really this ugly with the lens?

Yikes!  That bokeh literally makes my eyes hurt.  I'm not sure I want to 
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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

[P. J. Alling]

I just did an informal review of K20d hot pixel reports. 

1.) All hot pixel reports in the first two pages of the Google search 
point back to DP review.

1a.) The elsewhere in the DPReview post seems to have been one Polish 
site who used one raw converter, (DCRaw).  The translated review seemed 
to be quite negitive based on the results, (and the fact that the K20D 
is more or less a K10D with improved imaging capability).  I doubt that 
DCRaw a "free" open source converter had been optimized for the K20D at 
the time so I'd take their IQ results with a boulder of salt.

2.) Every user report except for that from R*** H***, that I skimmed 
basically said "hot pixels what hot pixels".

3.) I think I'll go back to sleep now.

Final comment, (mine):  Sheash what freaking arseholes.


Jim King wrote:
> Jack Davis wrote on Fri, 09 May 2008 14:18:29 -0700
>
>   
>> Just noticed this on dpreview. Speaks to a delay in testing the K20D  
>> due to a
>> "hot pixel" problem. A problem I don't recall reading about on PDML.
>>
>> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? 
>> forums=1036&message=27852469
>> 
>
> Well, the hounds are in full cry over there now.  A problem that  
> nobody had noticed in the three months that the K20D has been out is  
> now a major flaw in that camera, and prospective buyers are recoiling  
> in alarm...
>
> Some people have nothing better to do, I guess.  Sheesh!
>
> Regards, Jim
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Re: K20D Hot Pixels

[Jack Davis]

Appears that those charges with doing the testing are making it a major 
impediment.(?)

Jack


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> From: Jim King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: K20D Hot Pixels
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 2:27 PM
> Jack Davis wrote on Fri, 09 May 2008 14:18:29 -0700
> 
> > Just noticed this on dpreview. Speaks to a delay in
> testing the K20D  
> > due to a
> > "hot pixel" problem. A problem I don't
> recall reading about on PDML.
> >
> > http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? 
> > forums=1036&message=27852469
> 
> Well, the hounds are in full cry over there now.  A problem
> that  
> nobody had noticed in the three months that the K20D has
> been out is  
> now a major flaw in that camera, and prospective buyers are
> recoiling  
> in alarm...
> 
> Some people have nothing better to do, I guess.  Sheesh!
> 
> Regards, Jim
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Teleconverter

[drew]

Hi all,

I have a Vivitar 2x Teleconverter that came with a P30 I bought ages 
ago. I have just tried it on my *ist-DL but it does not appear to meter 
correctly, Every shot is overexposed and the aperture does not display 
on the camera. It calls itself a PK-A/R-PK.
I suppose by question is, should the camera be able to display the 
aperture and should it be able to meter correctly with an A lens?

Thanks,
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Re: GESO: More motorcycles!

[Mark Roberts]

mike wilson wrote:
> Mark Roberts wrote:
> 
>> mike wilson wrote:
>>
 From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 http://www.robertstech.com/gal_10.htm

>>> Oh dear.  I recognised the Guzzi brake for what it was from the thumbnail.  
>>> That makes me a sad old git, I do believe.
>>>
>>> Do you have a better pic of the Detroit?
>>
>> Here's one:
>> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/detroit.jpg
>> This is a really small museum with so much crammed into it that there 
>> was no place to get a decent shot of it with a satisfactory background.
>>
> Thanks.  I thought, at first, that the handle sticking up over the tank 
> was a kind of gear lever a la Rudge Multi but it looks more like a belt 
> tensioner (simple clutching device) from this side.  Flat belt puts it 
> about '07/'08?

If memory serves, the sign indicated it was 1909. Close enough :)





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Re: GESO: More motorcycles!

[mike wilson]

Mark Roberts wrote:

>mike wilson wrote:
>  
>
>>>From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>>http://www.robertstech.com/gal_10.htm
>>>  
>>>
>>Oh dear.  I recognised the Guzzi brake for what it was from the thumbnail.  
>>That makes me a sad old git, I do believe.
>>
>>Do you have a better pic of the Detroit?
>>
>>
>
>
>Here's one:
>http://www.robertstech.com/temp/detroit.jpg
>This is a really small museum with so much crammed into it that there 
>was no place to get a decent shot of it with a satisfactory background.
>
>  
>
Thanks.  I thought, at first, that the handle sticking up over the tank 
was a kind of gear lever a la Rudge Multi but it looks more like a belt 
tensioner (simple clutching device) from this side.  Flat belt puts it 
about '07/'08?

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K20D Hot Pixels

[Jim King]

Jack Davis wrote on Fri, 09 May 2008 14:18:29 -0700

> Just noticed this on dpreview. Speaks to a delay in testing the K20D  
> due to a
> "hot pixel" problem. A problem I don't recall reading about on PDML.
>
> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp? 
> forums=1036&message=27852469

Well, the hounds are in full cry over there now.  A problem that  
nobody had noticed in the three months that the K20D has been out is  
now a major flaw in that camera, and prospective buyers are recoiling  
in alarm...

Some people have nothing better to do, I guess.  Sheesh!

Regards, Jim

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K20D Hot Pixels

[Jack Davis]

Just noticed this on dpreview. Speaks to a delay in testing the K20D due to a 
"hot pixel" problem. A problem I don't recall reading about on PDML.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forums=1036&message=27852469

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Re: Screwdriver

[Ken Waller]

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: Screwdriver


> So to clarify -- you didn't get screwed?
>
> a

No Ann, it appears he bolted.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>
>
> Bob W wrote:
>
>>This morning I went to hospital to have the metalwork removed from my
>>wrist. But they didn't have the right kind of screwdriver, so they
>>sent me home again. Amazing.
>>
>>Anyway, it's a beautiful day so I went round to see a friend who I
>>knew would be at home, and he had the wit to pour me a nice long
>>screwdriver to compensate ;o)
>>
>>Here's a photo I took of him while I was enjoying my screwdriver:
>>
>>http://www.web-options.com/MY.jpg
>>
>>Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: GESO: More motorcycles!

[Mark Roberts]

mike wilson wrote:
>> From: Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> http://www.robertstech.com/gal_10.htm
> 
> Oh dear.  I recognised the Guzzi brake for what it was from the thumbnail.  
> That makes me a sad old git, I do believe.
> 
> Do you have a better pic of the Detroit?


Here's one:
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/detroit.jpg
This is a really small museum with so much crammed into it that there 
was no place to get a decent shot of it with a satisfactory background.

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Re: It's Apple Blossom Time

[Ken Waller]

Nice fresh looking image.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO: It's Apple Blossom Time


> My crabapple tree is blooming. I can smell it the moment I walk out  
> the front door. The fragrance of the apple blossom is both floral and  
> fruit. Amazing. It surely must be counted among nature's greatest gifts.
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7243768&size=lg


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Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH

[Tim Øsleby]

So far I haven't seen anything like this from _my_ DA* 300
Don't ask me for exsamples, Lightroom has crashed, so I can't get
anything out of it. Arg!

MaritimTim

2008/5/9  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi List!
>
> Does anyone has experience with the DA*300/f4?
>
> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=27840420
> Is the bokeh really this ugly with the lens?
>
> Cheers,
> .t
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Re: PESOx5+1: My new toy!

[Ken Waller]

Nice work Timber. Looks like you're putting that lens to good use.

Kenneth Waller
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>
>>
>> From: Timber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2008/05/08 Thu PM 10:56:01 GMT
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Subject: PESOx5+1: My new toy!
>>
>> Hi list!
>>
>> This is a few image with the Pentax DA 12-24 f4:
>> 2 HDRs:
>> http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/96784496
>> http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/96784562
>> And 3 almost totally unmodified picture (RAW shots + Lightroom + resize
>> + framing):
>> http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/96784729
>> http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/96785354
>> http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/96785385
>>
>> As you can see, I am really satisfied with this lens. Superb color,
>> superb sharpness, superb everything. :D
>>
>> Oh and it survived the first raining already :D
>> http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/96785766
>
> I was wondering how you made "The Commander", as many HDR images look like 
> a  support was used, limiting the creativity offered by unusual angles. 
> Then I saw how:
> http://www.pbase.com/timbercode/image/91613432
>
> Good technique.
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Re: Why I won't be buying a K20D.......yet!

[Toralf Lund]

Mark Roberts wrote:
> Toralf Lund wrote:
>   
>> Cotty wrote:
>> 
>>> On 8/5/08, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
 Insufferable Snideness?
 Increased Spending?
 Illusions of Superiority?
 Irrational Sensations?

 I'm stumped.
 
 
>>> Itinerant Snappers.
>>>   
>>>   
>> This thread must be, yes you guessed it, incredibly stupid!
>> 
>
> What? Not "Invigorating and Stimulating"? I'm crushed!
> ;-)
>   
I'm Sorry...



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Re: Should I care about film?

[Lucas Rijnders]

Op Tue, 06 May 2008 22:36:19 +0200 schreef Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>  On May 6, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Lucas Rijnders wrote:
>>
>>  > Take a static subject, put your eye to the finder and let it roam
>>  > around
>>  > until you're satisfied?
>>  >
>>  > I'm not even being flippant: I liked both the OM-1 and the MX. What
>>  > is the
>>  > big deal with eye-relief?
>>
>>  I want to see the whole frame in a glance, without moving my eye
>>  around physically behind the eye piece. What you wrote above is fine
>>  for a static subject and plenty of time to look around. A lot of
>>  subject matter does not allow such a studied approach to the  
>> viewfinder.
>
> Ditto, with the added caveat that I find a restricted view of the
> finder mildly uncomfortable and an active impediment to shooting. If
> I'm planning to shoot trult static subject matter, I'm not likely to
> be shooting a compact 35mm SLR but rather my 645 or 4x5, neither of
> which are lacking in eye relief (Especially not the latter which has
> effectively unlimited relief).

O.k., Thanks for clarifying.

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Re: Screwdriver

[P. J. Alling]

No, he didn't get unscrewed...
(which given the Un-cola campaign by Seven-Up of a few years ago gives 
one pause)...

ann sanfedele wrote:
> So to clarify -- you didn't get screwed?
>
> a
>
>
> Bob W wrote:
>
>   
>> This morning I went to hospital to have the metalwork removed from my
>> wrist. But they didn't have the right kind of screwdriver, so they
>> sent me home again. Amazing. 
>>
>> Anyway, it's a beautiful day so I went round to see a friend who I
>> knew would be at home, and he had the wit to pour me a nice long
>> screwdriver to compensate ;o)
>>
>> Here's a photo I took of him while I was enjoying my screwdriver:
>>
>> http://www.web-options.com/MY.jpg
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>   


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Re: Should I care about film?

[Lucas Rijnders]

Op Tue, 06 May 2008 23:07:29 +0200 schreef Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> hand-drafting?'.  Well, personally I can draft on the computer and use
> paint programs quite handily, but I enjoy drafting out a plan by hand
> or spending a few hours painting.  And yes, it's nice to load pictures
> from my camera straight to my computer.  So is film dead?  Only if you
> don't want to use it.

The look on people's faces when you rewind a SuperProgram alone is worth  
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RE: Can you identify this bush for me?

[John Whittingham]

On Fri, 9 May 2008 20:09:50 +0100, Bob W wrote
> The mystery bush is gorse (ulex). I'm surprised no-one could identify
> it - it's very common.

They'd know it and remember it all too well if they'd ever ridden a 
motorcross bike into it ouch!

John



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