Re: OT: Deutsche Bahn tickets for foreigners

2008-05-31 Thread Katrin
Hi Rick,

I've never heard before that there are prices fpr foreigners... where did you 
see this? I found 
nothing on bahn.de ?
although the prices of the DB are kind of confusing normaly there is a 
Normalpreis which is 
rather expensive and differen Sparangebote which are cheaper but there is 
only a certain 
amount available, so you only get them when you book earlier...

~Katrin



Am 30 May 2008 um 18:53 hat Rick Womer geschrieben:

 My wife and I are planning to travel from Dusseldorf
 to Berlin next month.  Trying to buy tickets on the
 web today, we find a normal price (Normalepreis),
 and an Auslanderpreis (which is twice as much) for us
 foreigners.
 
 If we buy the Normalepreis on line, can we use it?
 
 Second question: Anybody in Berlin who would like to
 get together on June 26 or 27 (Thurs or Fri)?
 
 Rick
 
 
   
 
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PESO: Perrine, Static

2008-05-31 Thread D. Glenn Arthur Jr.
http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2538181900/

Another shot of my cat, with the flash on an extension cable
nearby.

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Re: PESO: Perrine, Static

2008-05-31 Thread Bruce Dayton
I'm not normally a big fan of cat pictures, but this one is pretty
cool with how you've done the lighting.

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Friday, May 30, 2008, 11:24:00 PM, you wrote:

DGAJ http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2538181900/

DGAJ Another shot of my cat, with the flash on an extension cable
DGAJ nearby.

DGAJ -- Glenn




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RE: Deutsche Bahn tickets for foreigners

2008-05-31 Thread Bob W
I think you may have misunderstood what an auslanderpreis is - I
should think it's illegal to charge more for foreigners (however they
define it). My guess is that the auslander price is for journeys
outside of Germany itself, or one that spans several German regions
(Laender).
http://www.bahn.de/international/view/en/prices/prices.shtml

There is an English language version of the site, and they also have
an English language call centre which might be able to clarify this
for you.
http://www.bahn.de/international/view/en/home/info/ticket_booking.shtm
l
 
Bob

 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of Rick Womer
 Sent: 31 May 2008 02:54
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: OT: Deutsche Bahn tickets for foreigners
 
 My wife and I are planning to travel from Dusseldorf
 to Berlin next month.  Trying to buy tickets on the
 web today, we find a normal price (Normalepreis),
 and an Auslanderpreis (which is twice as much) for us
 foreigners.
 
 If we buy the Normalepreis on line, can we use it?
 
 Second question: Anybody in Berlin who would like to
 get together on June 26 or 27 (Thurs or Fri)?
 
 Rick
 
 
   
 
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Re: Two Thoughts About Swifts

2008-05-31 Thread mike wilson

 
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 I don't have a reliable source of bats at home 

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Re: Two Thoughts About Swifts

2008-05-31 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.)
 Date: 2008/05/30 Fri PM 09:27:56 GMT
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Two Thoughts About Swifts
 
 1) I need slower birds.
 
 2) Wait, if I'm shooting birds to practice for bats, slower birds won't
 help much, will they?

Probably the only chance you have of capturing bats is to use trap focus.  
Manual focus lens prefocused, camera on autofocus (with any option to only trip 
the shutter if focus is correct _on_) and then wave it around in the general 
direction of the flying mammal with the shutter button pressed.  


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RE: Deutsche Bahn tickets for foreigners

2008-05-31 Thread mike wilson

 
 From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2008/05/31 Sat AM 08:15:27 GMT
 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: RE: Deutsche Bahn tickets for foreigners
 
 I think you may have misunderstood what an auslanderpreis is - I
 should think it's illegal to charge more for foreigners (however they
 define it). 

My first thought, also.  It's illegal in the EU to discriminate against anyone 
because of their origin/ethnicity/whatever.


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Re: PESO: Prairie Country

2008-05-31 Thread Tim Øsleby
A very good shot Dave.
Good colours. A fine comp. Overall, very good.
I would probably have prefered a tiny bit more space at the right. But
thats nitpicking.

Good luck with your bookproject.

MaritimTim.

2008/5/28 David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 G'day All,

 I'm slowly making my way through shots from my holiday last year to
 the US  Canada with the aim of putting together a photo book.

 Here's another one from that trip (~150kb):

 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2357/2530269037_026197a427_o.jpg

 K10D, FA 31mm f1.8, 1/60 @ f16, ISO 100, Lightroomed ;-)

 Any  all comments welcome.

 Cheers,

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Re: More *ist-D whee! babble

2008-05-31 Thread David J Brooks
There is a woman who has a young daughter on the shows i shoot, and
carries around a Canon Rebel. I don't hold that against her.:-)

Even though she takes her daughters pictures, she always checks that i
will be to, as she said Yours are great, mine are all fuzzy and
blurry.

At the show last weekend, she said the same thing so i asked her, what
mode ar eyou shooting, shutter priority, ap priority etc.

She said Auto, thats the only mode she has used since buying the camera.

I told her how changing that, should, help her pictures, but she did
not know how to do it, nor cared much to even try.

Not sure what my point is, but it results in a sale every time.:-)

Dave



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 People obtaining a digital camera for the first time generally have a
 giggle just banging the shutter a lot and enjoying the freedom it
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Re: Peso Another Cardinal

2008-05-31 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Nice capture Dave.  Good pose. Looks like you're getting ready for more lens
 !

Always ready for more lenses.:-)

I have the sigma 300 f4 and a 1.4 tele, i'm going to try that next. I
just had the 80-200 on to do a test.


Dave

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

 - Original Message -
 From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Peso Another Cardinal


 I'v been playing around with my D200 lately. Its been finicky as far
 as IQ(thats for Bill), and trying to see if its lens
 related, setting related or operator error.

 Getting decent enough quality static shots, but 95% of my horse
 pictures are soft or bfing. With the D2H or D1H and this lens, they
 are fine. Its actually been doing it from the start, but i just put it
 aside for a while and forgot about it.

 I use the 70-200 mostly, but put the old 80-200 on yesterday to see
 what happens there.

 http://picasaweb.google.com/pentkon52/AroundTheYard/photo#5206121862265562626

 He's about 30 odd feet away. This was cropped in LR to get him closer
 in the screen.

 D200, 80-200 F2.8, LR crop and saved for email.

 I need to get closer, but i can get them to within 20' now.

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Re: Kim 6981

2008-05-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Ken. It's a work in progress, but I hope to end up with a  
couple of pics for my portfolio and stock.
Paul
On May 30, 2008, at 11:48 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

 Nice work - I like them both.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

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 Subject: PESO: Kim 6981


 Shot a model portfolio in my studio today. Haven't even looked at all
 the pics yet, but here's one that caught my eye. I used the DA*
 50-135 for flexibility. This model looks best with longer portrait
 focal lengths, but my studio isn't large enough to shoot bull body
 pics with a 135. So I used the zoom. Not much of a compromise with
 the quality of that lens. I'll do some minor retouching on this
 later, but this is the out of camera untweaked reality of it all:-).

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7334349


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Re: Peso Another Cardinal

2008-05-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
Nice one. Good bokeh.
Paul
On May 31, 2008, at 7:57 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

 On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 wrote:
 Nice capture Dave.  Good pose. Looks like you're getting ready for  
 more lens
 !

 Always ready for more lenses.:-)

 I have the sigma 300 f4 and a 1.4 tele, i'm going to try that next. I
 just had the 80-200 on to do a test.


 Dave

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

 - Original Message -
 From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Peso Another Cardinal


 I'v been playing around with my D200 lately. Its been finicky as far
 as IQ(thats for Bill), and trying to see if its lens
 related, setting related or operator error.

 Getting decent enough quality static shots, but 95% of my horse
 pictures are soft or bfing. With the D2H or D1H and this lens, they
 are fine. Its actually been doing it from the start, but i just  
 put it
 aside for a while and forgot about it.

 I use the 70-200 mostly, but put the old 80-200 on yesterday to see
 what happens there.

 http://picasaweb.google.com/pentkon52/AroundTheYard/ 
 photo#5206121862265562626

 He's about 30 odd feet away. This was cropped in LR to get him  
 closer
 in the screen.

 D200, 80-200 F2.8, LR crop and saved for email.

 I need to get closer, but i can get them to within 20' now.

 Dave

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K10D Back from Pentax Repair

2008-05-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
My K10D is back from Pentax repair in Colorado. I had sent it because  
it backfocused severely with my two DA* lenses, but only with those.  
Apparently, it had trouble with the in-lens motor focusing. It also  
was stuck in continuous shooting mode. I could switch it to the delay  
modes but not back to single exposure. The latter didn't bother me  
much, but the backfocus problem had to be fixed. The lenses worked  
great on my K20, and I told Pentax the same and asked them to just  
make sure the camera was operating correctly and capable of focusing  
a good DA* lens accurately. It was returned yesterday, after about  
three weeks, and It seems to work very well. Shot some quick tests  
with the DA* 16-50 yesterday, and it focused accurately at f2.8. I'm  
pleased. I've never had a bad service experience with Pentax  
Colorado. It seems they know what they're doing.
Paul

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Re: PESO: Perrine, Static

2008-05-31 Thread P. J. Alling
Oddly compelling.  Make a good book cover, or something...

D. Glenn Arthur Jr. wrote:
 http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2538181900/

 Another shot of my cat, with the flash on an extension cable
 nearby.

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Re: Two Thoughts About Swifts

2008-05-31 Thread P. J. Alling
Damn, and I missed that one.

mike wilson wrote:
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 I don't have a reliable source of bats at home 
 

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Re: More *ist-D whee! babble

2008-05-31 Thread P. J. Alling
Some people are beyond help.  You tried and still make money, what could 
be better?

David J Brooks wrote:
 There is a woman who has a young daughter on the shows i shoot, and
 carries around a Canon Rebel. I don't hold that against her.:-)

 Even though she takes her daughters pictures, she always checks that i
 will be to, as she said Yours are great, mine are all fuzzy and
 blurry.

 At the show last weekend, she said the same thing so i asked her, what
 mode ar eyou shooting, shutter priority, ap priority etc.

 She said Auto, thats the only mode she has used since buying the camera.

 I told her how changing that, should, help her pictures, but she did
 not know how to do it, nor cared much to even try.

 Not sure what my point is, but it results in a sale every time.:-)

 Dave



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Re: More *ist-D whee! babble

2008-05-31 Thread D. Glenn Arthur Jr.
David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] observed:
[...]
 Even though she takes her daughters pictures, she always checks that i
 will be to, as she said Yours are great, mine are all fuzzy and
 blurry.

 At the show last weekend, she said the same thing so i asked her, what
 mode are you shooting, shutter priority, ap priority etc.

 She said Auto, thats the only mode she has used since buying the camera.

 I told her how changing that, should, help her pictures, but she did
 not know how to do it, nor cared much to even try.
[...]

*sigh*  Even though she knew she was unhappy with her results.  Argh.
At least she now knows it's not a fundamental flaw/limitation of her
camera, right?


When I took the *istD out of the box, I fired off a few shots in
'green' mode.  I quickly discovered that the HyperProgram features
I'd heard about weren't working, peeked at the manual, and changed
the camera over to 'P' mode, which does do what I'd expected.

Playing with HyperProgram a bit, I thought, Gee, I wonder how often 
I'll need/want to use any of the other modes.  I'll probably leave 
it on 'P' the whole first week.

The next day found me switching to 'Tv' for a while and back to 'P'.

The third day found me shooting in 'M', and then using a non-A lens
in 'Av'.  When I finally got around to 'Av', I was amused to notice
that it was the next to last mode I used, considering that it was the
mode I used most often when I had a Super Program and the way I'm 
used to shooting with the K2.

Last night somebody was shooting off fireworks.  Really low altitude
stuff, but still arial bursts.  If they'd kept it up just a few minutes
longer, I would've gotten around to shooting the *istD on 'B'.

Boy was I wrong about how long the camera would stay in 'P' mode
once I started using it.  Even with the 'Hyper-' aspect added to 
the program mode, I'm still switching modes for different environments
and subjects (and different lenses), like I did without HyperProgram
(despite how nifty as HyperProgram really is).


I haven't used the 'AF.C' focus mode much yet, but I do keep flipping
back and forth between 'AF.S' and manual focus, even when using an 
autofocus lens.

Of course, there are still some tricks this camera can do that I haven't
gotten around to exercising yet.  I've only touched two settings in the
'custom function' menu so far (fortunately it came with such settings
as let me use non-A lenses already turned on, so I didn't have to go
look for that one).  What I haven't sussed out by the time I go to
Pennsic, I'll probably wind up exploring while I'm at Pennsic.


I'll probably set it back to 'green' mode when I hand it to somebody
not used to an SLR and ask them to take my picture.  The one time I've
put it back on 'green' myself since the first time I switched to 'P',
I found myself wanting 'P' instead within fifteen minutes.  

-- Glenn

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Re: Two Thoughts About Swifts

2008-05-31 Thread D. Glenn Arthur Jr.
mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] suggested:
 Probably the only chance you have of capturing bats is to use trap 
 focus.  Manual focus lens prefocused, camera on autofocus (with any 
 option to only trip the shutter if focus is correct _on_) and then 
 wave it around in the general direction of the flying mammal with 
 the shutter button pressed.  

First, that's only going to work early enough for there to be 
enough sky light for the AF system to work -- I _should_ get 
such an opportunity most evenings while I'm at Pennsic, but 
based on observations during past attempts, it'll be a _very_
brief window.  After that, I'll have to try to predict far 
enough ahead to compensate for my reaction time (using pre-focus)
and trip the shutter myself.

I'm thinking of pointing a few slave flashes at the sky so I can
get away with stopping down enough to compensate if the bats
aren't _quite_ at the pre-focussed distance when I push the button.
If I get the shot, I'll offer prints of it to neighbouring camps
to apologize for the artificial lightning coming from my camp.
(Though I have learned not to use that trick when photographing
the Viking-boat-burning memorial service on the lake at the end 
of the War.)  It'll likely be the only thing I use flash for the
whole two weeks, unless I start using daylight fill flash.

Second, I've been surprised to find trap focus only working some
of the time, and I need to dig through the manual or experiment 
more to try to figure out the pattern to when trap focus works
and when the camera will just fire anyhow.  (Or, silly me, just
mention it here and hope one of y'all will hand me the answer on
a silver platter ...)

Third, thanks for the reminder that I need to fake up a cable
release before then.  (As far as I can tell by poking stuff 
into the hole, it's just a matter of shorting two contacts
together, right?  So if I can find the right sized plug at
Radio Shack, I'll be five minutes from having a cable release?
Somebody please tell me it's just a submini phone plug ...)

And as long as I'm tossing such questions in here:  I have GIMP 
and I now have 'dcraw' as well; between those two, am I missing 
anything the Pentax software would give me, or with thoise tools
in hand is it not worth asking for the CD accidentally left out 
to be mailed?  (Or, for that matter, can I download the software?  
So far I've only found downloads of an upgrade that requires 
already having a previous version installed.)

-- Glenn

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cost of inkjet printing ... ink

2008-05-31 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I thought this article by Red River Paper might be interesting:

http://www.redrivercatalog.com/cost-of-inkjet-printing-v1.html

To my delight, their analysis of ink usage costs is within 5% of what  
my records demonstrate with the R2400 since October 2005.

Godfrey

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Re: K10D Back from Pentax Repair

2008-05-31 Thread Steve Larson
good news Paul, glad they fixed it right.

Steve

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Subject: K10D Back from Pentax Repair


 My K10D is back from Pentax repair in Colorado. I had sent it because
 it backfocused severely with my two DA* lenses, but only with those.
 Apparently, it had trouble with the in-lens motor focusing. It also
 was stuck in continuous shooting mode. I could switch it to the delay
 modes but not back to single exposure. The latter didn't bother me
 much, but the backfocus problem had to be fixed. The lenses worked
 great on my K20, and I told Pentax the same and asked them to just
 make sure the camera was operating correctly and capable of focusing
 a good DA* lens accurately. It was returned yesterday, after about
 three weeks, and It seems to work very well. Shot some quick tests
 with the DA* 16-50 yesterday, and it focused accurately at f2.8. I'm
 pleased. I've never had a bad service experience with Pentax
 Colorado. It seems they know what they're doing.
 Paul

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Re: Little details that make me happy

2008-05-31 Thread Adam Maas
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On May 30, 2008, at 12:02 PM, D. Glenn Arthur Jr. wrote:

  Okay, one wee gripe about the *istD:  the overhang
  for the pop-up flash gets in the way of the screw
  that tightens the mounting ring to hold it in one
  position -- so if I attach a tripod to the bellows,
  the camera pretty much has to be in portrait
  orientation.  But do any modern cameras _not_ hang
  over the lens mount like that?

 The only DSLRs I've seen that has zero lens mount overhang is my
 Panasonic L1 and its Leica Digilux 3 sibling as well as the Olympus
 E-300 and E-330 models:

 http://homepage.mac.com/godders/panasonicL1_olympus25/content/bin/
 images/large/080510_mixed_5104048.jpg
 or
 http://tinyurl.com/5bx2pp
 Panasonic DMC-L1 fitted with Olympus ZD 25mm f/2.8 lens and B+W lens
 hood

 The Olympus E-1 also has fairly minimal lens mount overhang due to
 its not having a built-in flash over the pentaprism.

 ---

The Nikon D3 also hase very minimal overhang, Nikon redesigned the
prism hump to clear their new PC lenses (It lacks a popup flash as
well, but older Nikon falsh-less bodies had somewhat more projection).
Canon 1 series are the same. But these are in a different price
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Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-31 Thread Adam Maas
That's true, but you can overdo it, and Pentax did with the K10D when
the price nosedived, it earned them K10D sales at the cost of
completely destroying K100D Super sales. The K10D was already priced
at a nice discount over the less-featured D80 (about $100) at launch,
and maintaining and/or slightly increasing the price advantage would
have made more sense.

It's even less sensical that the K200D sells for a ridiculous premium
over the comparable cameras from Sony and Nikon.

-Adam

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello Adam,

 When you are Nikon or Canon you can price reasonably because most
 users will buy your products over weaker brands if the price is
 similar.  When you are the weaker brand, there has to be something
 more than a comparably featured body to entice.  You either need a
 demonstrably better body at/near the same price or a noticeably
 cheaper body with about the same feature set.  Pentax went the price
 route.

 --
 Best regards,
 Bruce


 Thursday, May 29, 2008, 7:40:34 AM, you wrote:

 AM However when your flagship is priced $50 over your base model (K10D vs
 AM K100D Super) your pricing is moronic. The K10D came out at a mild
 AM discount over a D80, which is similar spec and released about the same
 AM time. Maybe a $100 price difference. 8 months later the K10D was over
 AM $300 cheaper than the D80, which had dropped about $100 or so. That's
 AM just ridiculous pricing.


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 AM http://www.mawz.ca
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Fine Art Printing

2008-05-31 Thread Christine Aguila
Hi Everyone:

I found this title:  Fine Art Printing for Photographers:  Exhibition 
Quality Prints with Inkjet Printers

Does any know of this book and recommend it or not recommend it?  Does 
anyone have a better recommendation?

http://www.amazon.com/Fine-Art-Printing-Photographers-Exhibition/dp/1933952008

Cheers, Christine 



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Re: cost of inkjet printing ... ink

2008-05-31 Thread Toine
I never print 200 photos in one batch on the r2400. Do you power off
the R2400? I suspect the R2400 uses inkt on every power cycle. Even if
it does I don't know if it's a good idea to keep the printer powered
on epson, maybe the print heads dry out when the printer is on
standby.

Toine

On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I thought this article by Red River Paper might be interesting:

 http://www.redrivercatalog.com/cost-of-inkjet-printing-v1.html

 To my delight, their analysis of ink usage costs is within 5% of what
 my records demonstrate with the R2400 since October 2005.

 Godfrey

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Re: K10D Back from Pentax Repair

2008-05-31 Thread Christine Aguila
Glad things worked out, Paul.  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 7:48 AM
Subject: K10D Back from Pentax Repair


 My K10D is back from Pentax repair in Colorado. I had sent it because
 it backfocused severely with my two DA* lenses, but only with those.
 Apparently, it had trouble with the in-lens motor focusing. It also
 was stuck in continuous shooting mode. I could switch it to the delay
 modes but not back to single exposure. The latter didn't bother me
 much, but the backfocus problem had to be fixed. The lenses worked
 great on my K20, and I told Pentax the same and asked them to just
 make sure the camera was operating correctly and capable of focusing
 a good DA* lens accurately. It was returned yesterday, after about
 three weeks, and It seems to work very well. Shot some quick tests
 with the DA* 16-50 yesterday, and it focused accurately at f2.8. I'm
 pleased. I've never had a bad service experience with Pentax
 Colorado. It seems they know what they're doing.
 Paul

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Re: cost of inkjet printing ... ink

2008-05-31 Thread Christine Aguila
Thanks, Godfrey.  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML List pdml@pdml.net; SeePhoto Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 10:00 AM
Subject: cost of inkjet printing ... ink


I thought this article by Red River Paper might be interesting:

 http://www.redrivercatalog.com/cost-of-inkjet-printing-v1.html

 To my delight, their analysis of ink usage costs is within 5% of what
 my records demonstrate with the R2400 since October 2005.

 Godfrey

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Re: Venice

2008-05-31 Thread Christine Aguila
Very nice, Daniel.  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
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To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 7:49 AM
Subject: PESO: Venice


 Stan's wonderful Venice gallery reminded me of one of my favorite
 shots of the Bridge of Sighs:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7332120

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Re: cost of inkjet printing ... ink

2008-05-31 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I print in sessions, sporadically. Sometimes heavy at times ... I've  
run through an entire set of ink carts in one long day's session  
twice ... but more usually I'll make 20-30 prints then not print for  
a week, etc.

It's not sensible to keep the R2400 printer powered continuously if  
you're not printing frequently. When powered off, the heads are  
parked and capped to prevent drying out/clogging. Same for all the  
others, far as I know (certainly for the 1270). When powered up, a  
quick purge cycle to ready the heads is performed, but I doubt it  
uses much ink.

Replacing an empty ink cartridge does incite a significant full purge  
and clean cycle. I run the printer until it stops with a cartridge  
completely out of ink, then replace all that have been flashing as  
low at one time. This minimizes how much is lost in the refill, purge  
and clean cycle, but you lose some ink (up to 10% capacity, I  
understand) if you change carts just when the indicators start  
flashing. So it's a tradeoff.

However, my actual accounting numbers from actual use over the entire  
time I've had this printer are within 5% of what Red River obtained  
from their test. I would call it close enough and much much cheaper  
than anything I ever did in a darkroom print process.

(Do remember that these are INK numbers ... Paper costs money too.  
But it's still cheaper.)

Godfrey

On May 31, 2008, at 9:13 AM, Toine wrote:

 I never print 200 photos in one batch on the r2400. Do you power off
 the R2400? I suspect the R2400 uses inkt on every power cycle. Even if
 it does I don't know if it's a good idea to keep the printer powered
 on epson, maybe the print heads dry out when the printer is on
 standby.

 Toine

 On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I thought this article by Red River Paper might be interesting:

 http://www.redrivercatalog.com/cost-of-inkjet-printing-v1.html

 To my delight, their analysis of ink usage costs is within 5% of what
 my records demonstrate with the R2400 since October 2005.


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Re: cost of inkjet printing ... ink

2008-05-31 Thread Toine
I think I'll try your cartridge swapping scenario. Until now I only
changed individual cartridges untill the driver claims it's empty
leaving all the other flashing cartridges in the printer. To my
suprise the software twice claimed another cartridge was empty
directly after the change of another one. It started flashing during
the last print. This would indicate the printer is flushing all
cartridges heavily after one new cartridge,

On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I print in sessions, sporadically. Sometimes heavy at times ... I've
 run through an entire set of ink carts in one long day's session
 twice ... but more usually I'll make 20-30 prints then not print for
 a week, etc.

 It's not sensible to keep the R2400 printer powered continuously if
 you're not printing frequently. When powered off, the heads are
 parked and capped to prevent drying out/clogging. Same for all the
 others, far as I know (certainly for the 1270). When powered up, a
 quick purge cycle to ready the heads is performed, but I doubt it
 uses much ink.

 Replacing an empty ink cartridge does incite a significant full purge
 and clean cycle. I run the printer until it stops with a cartridge
 completely out of ink, then replace all that have been flashing as
 low at one time. This minimizes how much is lost in the refill, purge
 and clean cycle, but you lose some ink (up to 10% capacity, I
 understand) if you change carts just when the indicators start
 flashing. So it's a tradeoff.

 However, my actual accounting numbers from actual use over the entire
 time I've had this printer are within 5% of what Red River obtained
 from their test. I would call it close enough and much much cheaper
 than anything I ever did in a darkroom print process.

 (Do remember that these are INK numbers ... Paper costs money too.
 But it's still cheaper.)

 Godfrey

 On May 31, 2008, at 9:13 AM, Toine wrote:

 I never print 200 photos in one batch on the r2400. Do you power off
 the R2400? I suspect the R2400 uses inkt on every power cycle. Even if
 it does I don't know if it's a good idea to keep the printer powered
 on epson, maybe the print heads dry out when the printer is on
 standby.

 Toine

 On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I thought this article by Red River Paper might be interesting:

 http://www.redrivercatalog.com/cost-of-inkjet-printing-v1.html

 To my delight, their analysis of ink usage costs is within 5% of what
 my records demonstrate with the R2400 since October 2005.


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Re: cost of inkjet printing ... ink

2008-05-31 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
Subject: Re: cost of inkjet printing ... ink



 (Do remember that these are INK numbers ... Paper costs money too.
 But it's still cheaper.)


When I bought my Epson 4800 the research I did indicated about $5.00 per 
running foot of 16 
Epson roll paper as a combined paper and ink cost. This was presuming 110ml 
carts. I switched 
over to 220ml carts on my first changeout though, which dropped the cost per 
running foot, since 
the bigger carts are nowhere near twice as expensive.
This is fairly comparable to the Red River numbers once the fact that Epson 
Canada gouges us a 
bit (~10%) compared to the USA pricing is accounted for..

William Robb 


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Re: List focus shift (WAS: Re: K20D Hot Pixels)

2008-05-31 Thread P. J. Alling
Didn't you know, Pentax makes marketing decisions using a dartboard?

Adam Maas wrote:
 That's true, but you can overdo it, and Pentax did with the K10D when
 the price nosedived, it earned them K10D sales at the cost of
 completely destroying K100D Super sales. The K10D was already priced
 at a nice discount over the less-featured D80 (about $100) at launch,
 and maintaining and/or slightly increasing the price advantage would
 have made more sense.

 It's even less sensical that the K200D sells for a ridiculous premium
 over the comparable cameras from Sony and Nikon.

 -Adam

 On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Hello Adam,

 When you are Nikon or Canon you can price reasonably because most
 users will buy your products over weaker brands if the price is
 similar.  When you are the weaker brand, there has to be something
 more than a comparably featured body to entice.  You either need a
 demonstrably better body at/near the same price or a noticeably
 cheaper body with about the same feature set.  Pentax went the price
 route.

 --
 Best regards,
 Bruce


 Thursday, May 29, 2008, 7:40:34 AM, you wrote:

 AM However when your flagship is priced $50 over your base model (K10D vs
 AM K100D Super) your pricing is moronic. The K10D came out at a mild
 AM discount over a D80, which is similar spec and released about the same
 AM time. Maybe a $100 price difference. 8 months later the K10D was over
 AM $300 cheaper than the D80, which had dropped about $100 or so. That's
 AM just ridiculous pricing.


 AM --
 AM M. Adam Maas
 AM http://www.mawz.ca
 AM Explorations of the City Around Us.




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Re: More *ist-D whee! babble

2008-05-31 Thread Bruce Dayton
My favorite mode is Hyper-Manual.  The real trick there is to set the
preferences so that it keeps the aperture when you press the green
button.  Then it behaves much like AV mode but without it constantly
changing as you recompose.  So you spin dial to desired aperture,
point the camera at what you want to meter, press the green button
(camera sets shutter speed) and now you compose and focus.

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Saturday, May 31, 2008, 6:58:06 AM, you wrote:

DGAJ David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] observed:
DGAJ [...]
 Even though she takes her daughters pictures, she always checks that i
 will be to, as she said Yours are great, mine are all fuzzy and
 blurry.

 At the show last weekend, she said the same thing so i asked her, what
 mode are you shooting, shutter priority, ap priority etc.

 She said Auto, thats the only mode she has used since buying the camera.

 I told her how changing that, should, help her pictures, but she did
 not know how to do it, nor cared much to even try.
DGAJ [...]

DGAJ *sigh*  Even though she knew she was unhappy with her results.  Argh.
DGAJ At least she now knows it's not a fundamental flaw/limitation of her
DGAJ camera, right?


DGAJ When I took the *istD out of the box, I fired off a few shots in
DGAJ 'green' mode.  I quickly discovered that the HyperProgram features
DGAJ I'd heard about weren't working, peeked at the manual, and changed
DGAJ the camera over to 'P' mode, which does do what I'd expected.

DGAJ Playing with HyperProgram a bit, I thought, Gee, I wonder how often 
DGAJ I'll need/want to use any of the other modes.  I'll probably leave 
DGAJ it on 'P' the whole first week.

DGAJ The next day found me switching to 'Tv' for a while and back to 'P'.

DGAJ The third day found me shooting in 'M', and then using a non-A lens
DGAJ in 'Av'.  When I finally got around to 'Av', I was amused to notice
DGAJ that it was the next to last mode I used, considering that it was the
DGAJ mode I used most often when I had a Super Program and the way I'm 
DGAJ used to shooting with the K2.

DGAJ Last night somebody was shooting off fireworks.  Really low altitude
DGAJ stuff, but still arial bursts.  If they'd kept it up just a few minutes
DGAJ longer, I would've gotten around to shooting the *istD on 'B'.

DGAJ Boy was I wrong about how long the camera would stay in 'P' mode
DGAJ once I started using it.  Even with the 'Hyper-' aspect added to 
DGAJ the program mode, I'm still switching modes for different environments
DGAJ and subjects (and different lenses), like I did without HyperProgram
DGAJ (despite how nifty as HyperProgram really is).


DGAJ I haven't used the 'AF.C' focus mode much yet, but I do keep flipping
DGAJ back and forth between 'AF.S' and manual focus, even when using an 
DGAJ autofocus lens.

DGAJ Of course, there are still some tricks this camera can do that I haven't
DGAJ gotten around to exercising yet.  I've only touched two settings in the
DGAJ 'custom function' menu so far (fortunately it came with such settings
DGAJ as let me use non-A lenses already turned on, so I didn't have to go
DGAJ look for that one).  What I haven't sussed out by the time I go to
DGAJ Pennsic, I'll probably wind up exploring while I'm at Pennsic.


DGAJ I'll probably set it back to 'green' mode when I hand it to somebody
DGAJ not used to an SLR and ask them to take my picture.  The one time I've
DGAJ put it back on 'green' myself since the first time I switched to 'P',
DGAJ I found myself wanting 'P' instead within fifteen minutes.  

DGAJ -- Glenn




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Re: Two Thoughts About Swifts

2008-05-31 Thread John Francis
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 10:23:26AM -0400, D. Glenn Arthur Jr. wrote:
 
 Second, I've been surprised to find trap focus only working some
 of the time, and I need to dig through the manual or experiment 
 more to try to figure out the pattern to when trap focus works
 and when the camera will just fire anyhow.  (Or, silly me, just
 mention it here and hope one of y'all will hand me the answer on
 a silver platter ...)

It's to do with the position of the AF switch.  In AF-C, the camera
will trip the shutter even if there is nothing in focus, which makes
trap focus rather ineffective :-(  The camera has to be set to AF-S.


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Re: Perrine, Static

2008-05-31 Thread Ken Waller
Handsome cat, good capture. A bit overexposed on the nose.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: D. Glenn Arthur Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PESO: Perrine, Static


 http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2538181900/
 
 Another shot of my cat, with the flash on an extension cable
 nearby.
 
 -- Glenn


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Re: More *ist-D whee! babble

2008-05-31 Thread Ken Waller
 Not sure what my point is, but it results in a sale every time.:-)

Your point, (to me at least) is that some people just don't care. But I 
wonder why she'd even take the camera?

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: More *ist-D whee! babble


 There is a woman who has a young daughter on the shows i shoot, and
 carries around a Canon Rebel. I don't hold that against her.:-)

 Even though she takes her daughters pictures, she always checks that i
 will be to, as she said Yours are great, mine are all fuzzy and
 blurry.

 At the show last weekend, she said the same thing so i asked her, what
 mode ar eyou shooting, shutter priority, ap priority etc.

 She said Auto, thats the only mode she has used since buying the camera.

 I told her how changing that, should, help her pictures, but she did
 not know how to do it, nor cared much to even try.

 Not sure what my point is, but it results in a sale every time.:-)

 Dave



 On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 People obtaining a digital camera for the first time generally have a
 giggle just banging the shutter a lot and enjoying the freedom it
 allows.


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Re: K10D Back from Pentax Repair

2008-05-31 Thread Ken Waller
I've never had a bad service experience with Pentax Colorado.

Same here Paul.
 
Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
- Original Message - 
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: K10D Back from Pentax Repair


 My K10D is back from Pentax repair in Colorado. I had sent it because  
 it backfocused severely with my two DA* lenses, but only with those.  
 Apparently, it had trouble with the in-lens motor focusing. It also  
 was stuck in continuous shooting mode. I could switch it to the delay  
 modes but not back to single exposure. The latter didn't bother me  
 much, but the backfocus problem had to be fixed. The lenses worked  
 great on my K20, and I told Pentax the same and asked them to just  
 make sure the camera was operating correctly and capable of focusing  
 a good DA* lens accurately. It was returned yesterday, after about  
 three weeks, and It seems to work very well. Shot some quick tests  
 with the DA* 16-50 yesterday, and it focused accurately at f2.8. I'm  
 pleased. I've never had a bad service experience with Pentax  
 Colorado. It seems they know what they're doing.
 Paul


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Re: K10D Back from Pentax Repair

2008-05-31 Thread Jack Davis
Nor I, Paul.

Jack


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 From: Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: K10D Back from Pentax Repair
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 Date: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 11:19 AM
 I've never had a bad service experience with Pentax
 Colorado.
 
 Same here Paul.
  
 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
 - Original Message - 
 From: Paul Stenquist
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: K10D Back from Pentax Repair
 
 
  My K10D is back from Pentax repair in Colorado. I had
 sent it because  
  it backfocused severely with my two DA* lenses, but
 only with those.  
  Apparently, it had trouble with the in-lens motor
 focusing. It also  
  was stuck in continuous shooting mode. I could switch
 it to the delay  
  modes but not back to single exposure. The latter
 didn't bother me  
  much, but the backfocus problem had to be fixed. The
 lenses worked  
  great on my K20, and I told Pentax the same and asked
 them to just  
  make sure the camera was operating correctly and
 capable of focusing  
  a good DA* lens accurately. It was returned yesterday,
 after about  
  three weeks, and It seems to work very well. Shot some
 quick tests  
  with the DA* 16-50 yesterday, and it focused
 accurately at f2.8. I'm  
  pleased. I've never had a bad service experience
 with Pentax  
  Colorado. It seems they know what they're doing.
  Paul
 
 
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Re: GFM - first notes

2008-05-31 Thread AlunFoto
Hey Cots!

May I call you around breakfast tomorrow?

Cheers,

Jostein


2008/5/31 Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Sitting up in bed, in tent writing this. 3G card in the MBP with a
 decent connection from the picnic area. 1am, a quiet but fun gathering
 after Fri presentations. Nico, Doug, Mark, Cory, Scott, Moi, at PDML
 West, plus Bob Sullivan + Mrs, Bill  and Phyllis earlier at auditorium.
 Mark leading hike up mt at 9am from Black Rock car park, I might make
 that. No way for sunrise.

 Warm today, cooler now, rain forecast :(

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Re: Two Thoughts About Swifts

2008-05-31 Thread AlunFoto
2008/5/30 Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 why not practice on bats?

Cricket bats, maybe?

I second Mike's comment on trap focus. You may want to check out this device:
https://bmumford.securewebsites.com/photo/camctlr.html

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Re: GFM - first notes

2008-05-31 Thread Cotty
On 31/5/08, AlunFoto, discombobulated, unleashed:

May I call you around breakfast tomorrow?

You can try!

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Re: GFM - first notes

2008-05-31 Thread AlunFoto
Okidoki!:-)
I'll try.
Jostein

2008/5/31 Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
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PMA Brisbane. my personal thoughts

2008-05-31 Thread james Bradford
Crkennedy stand had pentax camera's in one desk and had to ask to look and
play. A DA*300 was in a cabinet along with other showy bits and couldn't be
touched. A second cabinet with sigma lenses was right next to it, none of
which were PK mount. Samsung had cameras out and could be played with. I had
a quick play with the GX20. A quick dig through the different menu system, I
managed to turn on iso 6400 and take a shot. Never even thought to swap SD
cards and bring the pic home 
:( Also never even though to swap may battery grip off the 10D to see if it
would fit. Someone was showing the GX20 off on model motor bikes. They
didn't have the wifi grip tho. They also had a locked cabinet with Samsung
lenses and flashes, A da* 50-135 and a sigma 50-500. The Samsung guy had to
buy the sigma from crkennedy, they wouldn't lend it out. I managed to play
with both of those. AT least Samsung made a good effort. Cr didn't do a very
good job.
CanoKonSONoly also made the effort to have camera's out.

One vendor had 2X and 3X teleconverts which I had a look at. I noted that
these teleconverts are AF compatible, not A lens compatible because a
contact is missing on the camera side but not on the lens side!?!!??!! The
af screw and the extra power contacts are present.


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PESO -- Oh to fly again.

2008-05-31 Thread P. J. Alling
http://www.mindspring.com/~distilfink/PESO%20--%20ohtoflyagain.html

Equipment:  *ist-Ds/smc Pentax F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

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Re: PESO - Pizza on Yonge Street

2008-05-31 Thread Tim Øsleby
I like this one.
Made me giggle.

MaritimTim

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 Comments welcome.

 http://tinyurl.com/4xn7bb

 http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SDqtUY6yTyI/CH8/2RpZ2C0lCfY/s1600-h/may_26_08+001.jpg

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PESO: Rhodie Time in Michigan

2008-05-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
My rhododendrons are blooming all over the yard. This is a shot from  
the shade garden on the side of the house, looking out toward the  
perennial garden. The latter is in the light, the former is deeply  
shaded. I lit the foreground with flash and tried to balance it to  
the background. K20D with DA* 16-50, 16 mm, f7.1 @ 1/30th, ISO 200.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7343409size=lg
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OT: Unusual Photo of Sunset

2008-05-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080531.html

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Re: OT: Unusual Photo of Sunset

2008-05-31 Thread AlunFoto
Nice and creative. I checked out the guy's website on the link from
Nasa's page, and he's mostly doing traditional, good-quality amateur
astronomer photos. Seems there's a lot more competence behind this
shot than what you'd expect... -Certainly more than I expected.

Jostein

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LBA: smc Takumar 35mm f3.5

2008-05-31 Thread Bran Everseeking
smc Takumar 35mm f3.5 makes a dandy normal lens for the K10D.  original
caps and all

what i left in the shop was a 300mm  f4.0 smc Takumar.  Will try that
one on monday when the boss is in to see if he will deal on the price.

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Re: LBA: smc Takumar 35mm f3.5

2008-05-31 Thread pnstenquist
I had the 300/4 SMC Takumar. It was a very good lens. Very sharp. I'm sorry 
that I sold it. 
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Bran Everseeking [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 smc Takumar 35mm f3.5 makes a dandy normal lens for the K10D.  original
 caps and all
 
 what i left in the shop was a 300mm  f4.0 smc Takumar.  Will try that
 one on monday when the boss is in to see if he will deal on the price.
 
 Bran
 
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Re: PESO: Rhodie Time in Michigan

2008-05-31 Thread Jack Davis
Certainly well balanced lighting. Nice scene, Paul.

Jack


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 From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: PESO: Rhodie Time in Michigan
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 Date: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 6:58 PM
 My rhododendrons are blooming all over the yard. This is a
 shot from  
 the shade garden on the side of the house, looking out
 toward the  
 perennial garden. The latter is in the light, the former is
 deeply  
 shaded. I lit the foreground with flash and tried to
 balance it to  
 the background. K20D with DA* 16-50, 16 mm, f7.1 @ 1/30th,
 ISO 200.
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7343409size=lg
 Paul
 
 
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Re: PMA Brisbane. my personal thoughts

2008-05-31 Thread Brian Walters
On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 09:15:57 +1000, james Bradford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:

 Crkennedy stand had pentax camera's in one desk and had to ask to look
 and play.  AT least Samsung made a good effort. Cr didn't do a
 very good job.


Seems like nothing's changed, then.


Cheers

Brian

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Re: PESO: Rhodie Time in Michigan

2008-05-31 Thread pnstenquist
Thanks Jack. 

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 Certainly well balanced lighting. Nice scene, Paul.
 
 Jack
 
 
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  From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: PESO: Rhodie Time in Michigan
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  Date: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 6:58 PM
  My rhododendrons are blooming all over the yard. This is a
  shot from  
  the shade garden on the side of the house, looking out
  toward the  
  perennial garden. The latter is in the light, the former is
  deeply  
  shaded. I lit the foreground with flash and tried to
  balance it to  
  the background. K20D with DA* 16-50, 16 mm, f7.1 @ 1/30th,
  ISO 200.
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7343409size=lg
  Paul
  
  
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Re: LBA: smc Takumar 35mm f3.5

2008-05-31 Thread Mat Maessen
On 5/31/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I had the 300/4 SMC Takumar. It was a very good lens. Very sharp. I'm sorry 
 that I sold it.

I have the 400/5.6 SMC Takumar. If the 300/4 is anything like it,
snatch that lens up right quick. Or tell me where the shop is. :-)

-Mat

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Re: LBA: smc Takumar 35mm f3.5

2008-05-31 Thread P. J. Alling
It's a sweet little lens, very well built creates great images on film.  
I find it a bit dim and sometimes difficult focusing in anything but 
bright light.

Bran Everseeking wrote:
 smc Takumar 35mm f3.5 makes a dandy normal lens for the K10D.  original
 caps and all

 what i left in the shop was a 300mm  f4.0 smc Takumar.  Will try that
 one on monday when the boss is in to see if he will deal on the price.

 Bran

   


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