FS: Zoom Lenses x2

[gldnbearz]

It is time to clear out some lenses that are not seeing much use.

1) Pentax M 75-150/4, 49mm filter size, front/rear caps. EX condition
per KEH grading.  $60 + shipping
2) Sigma 28-135/3.8-5.6 IF/Macro, 62mm filter size, box, manual,
front/rear caps, lens hood.  Bought new from B & H. $50 + shipping.

Shipping via USPS Priority Mail to continental US.

Payment via USPS Money Order (preferred) or personal check (shipment
after funds clear).

If you are interested, please contact off list.

Thanks for reading.

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Re: PESO - She Just Talks and Talks and Talks...

[gldnbearz]

Nice catch!

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:45 AM, frank theriault
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You'll have to scroll down a bit for today's photo:
>
> http://knarf-underground.blogspot.com/2008/09/she-just-talks-and-talks-and-talks.html

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Re: OT - Google Chrome Browser

[John Francis]

On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 11:59:17PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
> From: ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > Cotty wrote:
> > 
> >> >On 4/9/08, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >> >
> >>> >>American English.  
> >> >
> >> >Oh pulease.
> >> >
> > American English   sounds like an oxymoron to me  :-) 
> > 
> > anninamerica
> 
> 
> Depends on whose ox you're callin' a moron.

The one standing in the water, developing hoof rot.


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out of commission for a couple days

[Scott Loveless]

Tomorrow I have an appointment for an outpatient procedure.  Depending 
on the outcome I may need to convalesce for a couple days, so the PUG 
will probably have to wait.  Worked on it a bit tonight, but didn't get 
it finished.  Sorry about that.

Anyway, I'll be online periodically throughout the weekend.  I'm off to 
bed.  Later.

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Re: OT - Google Chrome Browser

[David Savage]

2008/9/5 ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
> Cotty wrote:
>
>>On 4/9/08, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>
>>
>>>American English.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Oh pulease.
>>
>>--
>>
>>
> American English   sounds like an oxymoron to me :-)

Oxymoron? Is that someone who lives in Oxford?

Dave

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Re: OT - Google Chrome Browser

[John Sessoms]

From: ann sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Cotty wrote:
> 
>> >On 4/9/08, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> >
>>> >>American English.  
>> >
>> >Oh pulease.
>> >
> American English   sounds like an oxymoron to me  :-) 
> 
> anninamerica


Depends on whose ox you're callin' a moron.

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Re: PESO: K10D at 1100 ISO is actually usable!

[Charles Robinson]

On Sep 4, 2008, at 22:33, Bob Sullivan wrote:

> Charles,
> I've had the lens for 25 years and love it.
> It was fast enough to use indoors with film.
> That's not such a big point now with digital speeds,
> but the f2.0 always helped me.  I got better focus!
> Some pdml'ers are not so wild about it, but it's a great portrait  
> lens.
> If you watch ebay for a couple of weeks, I'd bet you could have one
> for $100-$160.

Ah - I thought you meant *YOUR* 85mm f2!

I'll keep my eyes open.


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Re: PESO: K10D at 1100 ISO is actually usable!

[Paul Stenquist]

I had an M 85/2 and sold it. But I was quite satisfied with its  
performance while I owned it. It's a lot of lens for the money. I  
eventually found a great deal on a K 85/1.8, so the M was redundant.  
But it served me well.
Paul
On Sep 4, 2008, at 11:33 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

> Charles,
> I've had the lens for 25 years and love it.
> It was fast enough to use indoors with film.
> That's not such a big point now with digital speeds,
> but the f2.0 always helped me.  I got better focus!
> Some pdml'ers are not so wild about it, but it's a great portrait  
> lens.
> If you watch ebay for a couple of weeks, I'd bet you could have one
> for $100-$160.
> That's lots cheaper than the DA70mm and it's full frame.
> And it's not much bigger than the A 50mm f1.4.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Charles Robinson  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Sep 4, 2008, at 17:10, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>
>>> M 85mm f2 lens might work for you...  Regards,  Bob S.
>>>
>>
>> Oh yeah?
>>
>> Drop me a line in email and let's talk.  :-)
>>
>>  -Charles
>>
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Re: PESO: K10D at 1100 ISO is actually usable!

[Bob Sullivan]

Charles,
I've had the lens for 25 years and love it.
It was fast enough to use indoors with film.
That's not such a big point now with digital speeds,
but the f2.0 always helped me.  I got better focus!
Some pdml'ers are not so wild about it, but it's a great portrait lens.
If you watch ebay for a couple of weeks, I'd bet you could have one
for $100-$160.
That's lots cheaper than the DA70mm and it's full frame.
And it's not much bigger than the A 50mm f1.4.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Charles Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sep 4, 2008, at 17:10, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>
>> M 85mm f2 lens might work for you...  Regards,  Bob S.
>>
>
> Oh yeah?
>
> Drop me a line in email and let's talk.  :-)
>
>  -Charles
>
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Re: PESO - "Striking Seney Summer Sunrise"

[Cory Waters]

Looks like HOME Ken. 
Don't miss the skeeters though...

Cory

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> Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
>
> Taken in Seney National Wildlife Refuge, in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan 
> with:
>
> K20D, 28-80mm 3.5-4.5 SMC Pentax F, 1/100 sec, f8.0, 1600 ISO. Bogen 
> mini-gear head on Bogen 3221 tripod.
>
> Comments appreciated.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f 
>
>
>   


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Re: PESO - improved park

[George Sinos]

Hi David - Thanks.  That shot was and one other shot were taken with
my Canon G9 point and shoot.  All of the others were taken with the
K20D and 10-17mm zoom.

See you later, gs

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 12:11 PM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm just wondering how many rouge lawn cutters are out there.:-)
>
> I like the close up of the red and yellow flower
>
> Dave
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:39 PM, George Sinos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> There has been a nice little park and walking trail near my home for
>> over twenty-five years.  Recently, due to street construction, it was
>> improved.  It turned out it drained into a wetland and could no longer
>> be mowed as it was in the past.  It's now planted with wildflowers and
>> actually looks fairly nice.  Here are a just a few shots I took on a
>> little walk through the park and the nearby neighborhood.
>>
>> 
>>
>> -GS-
>> 
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Re: PESO: K10D at 1100 ISO is actually usable!

[David Savage]

He's probably been told that a lot over the years.

:-D

2008/9/5 Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>I find size irrelevant.
>
> Mark!
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PESO: K10D at 1100 ISO is actually usable!
>
>
>> Nice shot. The DA 70 limited is close to affordable. But maybe you should
>> invest in the DA*50-135/2.8. It's as sharp and as fast as most primes, and
>> the price has come down a bit. I think you can get one for about $700. Of
>> course it's not particularly small A zoom is ideal for events where you
>> can't be sure how close you can get. It's my most used lens. Of couse it's
>> not a mini like that DA 70, but for other than really big glass, I find
>> size irrelevant.
>> Paul
>> -- Original message --
>> From: Charles Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Oddly enough, at the pixel level it can look kinda gross.  But when
>>> you bring them down to "web size" it's actually not bad.  Much better
>>> than I expected.
>>>
>>> I shot a concert on Tuesday night and the most-used lens in my arsenal
>>> was the lowly Takumar Bayonet 135 f/2.5.  I couldn't believe how much
>>> I kept going back to it.  The only downside is that I'd really like
>>> something as small and usable but at about half the focal length - is
>>> there anything (affordable) like that out there?
>>>
>>> An example shot:
>>>
>>> http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2008/ProVention/content/IMGP3522_large.h
>>> tml
>>>
>>> 1/30 sec, f2.5 @ 135 mm
>>> ISO 1100
>>>
>>> Thank goodness for the Katz-Eye or NONE of them would have been in
>>> focus.
>>>
>>>   -Charles

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Re: PESO: K10D at 1100 ISO is actually usable!

[Mark Roberts]

Ken Waller wrote:
>> I find size irrelevant.
> 
> Mark!

Beat you to it :)


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Re: OT: A cyclist who pedalled the world for more than 40 years hasbeen killed by a hit-and-run driver

[Mark Roberts]

Bob W wrote:
>> Bob W wrote:

>> (Bonus points for anyone who can name a famous historical figure 
>> associated with Brixham.)
> 
> Mr. Potato Head?
> 
> Wikipedia tells me that teenage football player Dan Gosling, of
> Plymouth Argyle was born and raised in Brixham, and is the
> fourth-youngest player to have ever played for Plymouth Argyle aged 16
> and 310 days.
> 
> If he's not famous and historical I don't know who is.
> 
> My 3rd guess is Sir Walter Raleigh, followed closely by Francis ("Fuck
> off, I'm playing bowls") Drake.

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Re: PESO - "Striking Seney Summer Sunrise"

[Joseph McAllister]

On Sep 4, 2008, at 13:20 , Ken Waller wrote:


> Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
>
> Taken in Seney National Wildlife Refuge, in the Upper Peninsula of  
> Michigan with:
>
> K20D, 28-80mm 3.5-4.5 SMC Pentax F, 1/100 sec, f8.0, 1600 ISO. Bogen  
> mini-gear head on Bogen 3221 tripod.


Striking display. Has all the points of wonderfulness. Sunset sky,  
mirrored in water, silhouetted trees, and in focus.

Thanks for sharing.

Someday, when I unpack my slides, I'll post some similar (sorta)  
images as well. No one hold their breath please...

Joseph McAllister
Pentaxian


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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[Joseph McAllister]

On Sep 4, 2008, at 13:20 , frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> She so needs a decent body (hopefully she'll have one soon).  When she
> shoots with my camera, even with everything on green, the difference
> in her photos is incredible.

Any decent man would have gotten his partner a decent camera before  
the first year was up.  :-)

Might I suggest an 8 megapixel Pentax P&S like the Z-10?

Joseph McAllister
Pentaxian


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Re: OT - Google Chrome Browser

[Doug Franklin]

ann sanfedele wrote:

> American English   sounds like an oxymoron to me :-)

An oxymoron created by a bunch of regular morons. ;->

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Re: A cyclist who pedalled the world for more than 40 years has beenkilled by a hit-and-run driver

[Ken Waller]

Sadly, what a waste!

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

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From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OT: A cyclist who pedalled the world for more than 40 years has 
beenkilled by a hit-and-run driver


> Sad story, but an interesting life:
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4673693.ece
>
> Bob


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Re: PESO: K10D at 1100 ISO is actually usable!

[Ken Waller]

>I find size irrelevant.

Mark!

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PESO: K10D at 1100 ISO is actually usable!


> Nice shot. The DA 70 limited is close to affordable. But maybe you should 
> invest in the DA*50-135/2.8. It's as sharp and as fast as most primes, and 
> the price has come down a bit. I think you can get one for about $700. Of 
> course it's not particularly small A zoom is ideal for events where you 
> can't be sure how close you can get. It's my most used lens. Of couse it's 
> not a mini like that DA 70, but for other than really big glass, I find 
> size irrelevant.
> Paul
> -- Original message --
> From: Charles Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Oddly enough, at the pixel level it can look kinda gross.  But when
>> you bring them down to "web size" it's actually not bad.  Much better
>> than I expected.
>>
>> I shot a concert on Tuesday night and the most-used lens in my arsenal
>> was the lowly Takumar Bayonet 135 f/2.5.  I couldn't believe how much
>> I kept going back to it.  The only downside is that I'd really like
>> something as small and usable but at about half the focal length - is
>> there anything (affordable) like that out there?
>>
>> An example shot:
>>
>> http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2008/ProVention/content/IMGP3522_large.h
>> tml
>>
>> 1/30 sec, f2.5 @ 135 mm
>> ISO 1100
>>
>> Thank goodness for the Katz-Eye or NONE of them would have been in
>> focus.
>>
>>   -Charles
>>
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>> Minneapolis, MN
>> http://charles.robinsontwins.org


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Re: OT - good Olympic gallery

[David Savage]

Those are really neat.

The Fencing produced some very interesting images.

...the beach volleyball too :-)

Cheers,

Dave

2008/9/4 Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> This caught my eye - takes a minute to load the pics, all on one page
> but some classics...
>
>  ry_olympische_spelen_2008_in_fotos_part_1/>

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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[David J Brooks]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Doug Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David J Brooks wrote:
>
>> Oh and i will be entering a sudo B&W shot in a colour catagory.
>
> Wow, that's pretty tough, requiring administrator credentials to enter
> the B+W category. ;-)

I know people in low places, and Cotty to.

Dave
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RE: OT: A cyclist who pedalled the world for more than 40 years hasbeen killed by a hit-and-run driver

[Bob W]

> Bob W wrote:
> > Sad story, but an interesting life:
> > 
> > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4673693.ece
> 
> Wow. Right on both counts. Sad and interesting.
> 
> And he was from Brixham! When I was a kid we lived in 
> Kingswear, just a 
> few miles away and my Grandmother lived in Brixham for a 
> while. Visited 
> her there a few times.
> 
> (Bonus points for anyone who can name a famous historical figure 
> associated with Brixham.)
> 

Mr. Potato Head?

Wikipedia tells me that teenage football player Dan Gosling, of
Plymouth Argyle was born and raised in Brixham, and is the
fourth-youngest player to have ever played for Plymouth Argyle aged 16
and 310 days.

If he's not famous and historical I don't know who is.

My 3rd guess is Sir Walter Raleigh, followed closely by Francis ("Fuck
off, I'm playing bowls") Drake.

Bob


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Re: OT - Google Chrome Browser

[ann sanfedele]

Cotty wrote:

>On 4/9/08, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>  
>
>>American English.
>>
>>
>
>Oh pulease.
>
>--
>  
>
American English   sounds like an oxymoron to me :-)

anninamerica

>
>Cheers,
>  Cotty
>
>
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Re: OT: A cyclist who pedalled the world for more than 40 years has been killed by a hit-and-run driver

[Mark Roberts]

Bob W wrote:
> Sad story, but an interesting life:
> 
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4673693.ece

Wow. Right on both counts. Sad and interesting.

And he was from Brixham! When I was a kid we lived in Kingswear, just a 
few miles away and my Grandmother lived in Brixham for a while. Visited 
her there a few times.

(Bonus points for anyone who can name a famous historical figure 
associated with Brixham.)


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Re: PESO: K10D at 1100 ISO is actually usable!

[Charles Robinson]

On Sep 4, 2008, at 17:10, Bob Sullivan wrote:

> M 85mm f2 lens might work for you...  Regards,  Bob S.
>

Oh yeah?

Drop me a line in email and let's talk.  :-)

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Re: A cyclist who pedalled the world for more than 40 years has beenkilled by a hit-and-run driver

[Christine Aguila]

What a helluva adventurer, and what a sad way to end his adventures and 
life's journey.  Christine


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Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:32 PM
Subject: OT: A cyclist who pedalled the world for more than 40 years has 
beenkilled by a hit-and-run driver


> Sad story, but an interesting life:
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4673693.ece
>
> Bob
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Re: OT - good Olympic gallery

[John Sessoms]

From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On 4/9/08, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> >Truncating the URL to vkmag.com, it looked like an online bastard child
>> >of FHM and Mad magazine with sophomoric gross-out humor (or humour) and
>> >gratuitous sex.
> 
> Was there a subscription page that you saw?

I don't know.

It was all in Dutch and I only recognized a few words from their English 
counterparts. I couldn't tell you if there's an actual print magazine or 
not.

I bounced through a few articles & the photos that went with them which 
is what gave me the impression of a FHM/Mad Magazine cross.

Naked/scantily clad women are still naked or scantily clad irregardless 
of what language the magazine is written in.

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Re: PESO - "Striking Seney Summer Sunrise"

[Christine Aguila]

Lovely, Ken!  Cheers, Christine


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Subject: PESO - "Striking Seney Summer Sunrise"


> Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
>
> Taken in Seney National Wildlife Refuge, in the Upper Peninsula of 
> Michigan
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Re: PESO - She Just Talks and Talks and Talks...

[Christine Aguila]

That's a great one, Frank!  Cheers, Christine


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> You'll have to scroll down a bit for today's photo:
>
> http://knarf-underground.blogspot.com/2008/09/she-just-talks-and-talks-and-talks.html
>
> Other than the reactions of the passengers, I love the leering
> meerkats on the wall...
>
> ;-)
>
> Comments welcome.  Thanks.
>
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: K10D at 1100 ISO is actually usable!

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2008/ProVention/content/IMGP3522_large.html
>
> 1/30 sec, f2.5 @ 135 mm
> ISO 1100


Charles:  Those shots are quite nice.  I especially like

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2008/ProVention/content/IMGP3684_large.html
and
http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2008/ProVention/content/IMGP3849_large.html

Rick Womer has posted some shots at really high ISOs using the K10D and has 
had excellent success as well.
Nice job with your concert gallery, Charles.
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Re: PESO: K10D at 1100 ISO is actually usable!

[Bob Sullivan]

M 85mm f2 lens might work for you...  Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:46 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nice shot. The DA 70 limited is close to affordable. But maybe you should 
> invest in the DA*50-135/2.8. It's as sharp and as fast as most primes, and 
> the price has come down a bit. I think you can get one for about $700. Of 
> course it's not particularly small A zoom is ideal for events where you can't 
> be sure how close you can get. It's my most used lens. Of couse it's not a 
> mini like that DA 70, but for other than really big glass, I find size 
> irrelevant.
> Paul
>  -- Original message --
> From: Charles Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Oddly enough, at the pixel level it can look kinda gross.  But when
>> you bring them down to "web size" it's actually not bad.  Much better
>> than I expected.
>>
>> I shot a concert on Tuesday night and the most-used lens in my arsenal
>> was the lowly Takumar Bayonet 135 f/2.5.  I couldn't believe how much
>> I kept going back to it.  The only downside is that I'd really like
>> something as small and usable but at about half the focal length - is
>> there anything (affordable) like that out there?
>>
>> An example shot:
>>
>> http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2008/ProVention/content/IMGP3522_large.h
>> tml
>>
>> 1/30 sec, f2.5 @ 135 mm
>> ISO 1100
>>
>> Thank goodness for the Katz-Eye or NONE of them would have been in
>> focus.
>>
>>   -Charles
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Re: PESO - "Striking Seney Summer Sunrise"

[Bob Sullivan]

Ken,
Excellent landscape photo.
I especially like the fog(?) running thru the picture.
The sky and reflection add to the whole effect, and
the shorter/distant trees to the right increase the depth
along with the clouds making an arrow into the distance.
(Not to shabby with a tricky sunset exposure either!)
Regards,  Bob S.

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>
> Taken in Seney National Wildlife Refuge, in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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Re: PESO: K10D at 1100 ISO is actually usable!

[pnstenquist]

Nice shot. The DA 70 limited is close to affordable. But maybe you should 
invest in the DA*50-135/2.8. It's as sharp and as fast as most primes, and the 
price has come down a bit. I think you can get one for about $700. Of course 
it's not particularly small A zoom is ideal for events where you can't be sure 
how close you can get. It's my most used lens. Of couse it's not a mini like 
that DA 70, but for other than really big glass, I find size irrelevant.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Charles Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Oddly enough, at the pixel level it can look kinda gross.  But when  
> you bring them down to "web size" it's actually not bad.  Much better  
> than I expected.
> 
> I shot a concert on Tuesday night and the most-used lens in my arsenal  
> was the lowly Takumar Bayonet 135 f/2.5.  I couldn't believe how much  
> I kept going back to it.  The only downside is that I'd really like  
> something as small and usable but at about half the focal length - is  
> there anything (affordable) like that out there?
> 
> An example shot:
> 
> http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2008/ProVention/content/IMGP3522_large.h
> tml
> 
> 1/30 sec, f2.5 @ 135 mm
> ISO 1100
> 
> Thank goodness for the Katz-Eye or NONE of them would have been in  
> focus.
> 
>   -Charles
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OT: A cyclist who pedalled the world for more than 40 years has been killed by a hit-and-run driver

[Bob W]

Sad story, but an interesting life:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4673693.ece

Bob


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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[Doug Franklin]

David J Brooks wrote:

> Oh and i will be entering a sudo B&W shot in a colour catagory.

Wow, that's pretty tough, requiring administrator credentials to enter 
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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[John Francis]

On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 04:34:00PM -0400, frank theriault wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:28 PM, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 02:25:58PM -0400, frank theriault wrote:
> >>
> >> [My partner Judy] needs a decent body (hopefully she'll have one soon).
> >
> > You are so in trouble now ...
> 
> On another re-reading of my post, especially the line in question, I
> have to agree:
> 
> You're right.
> 
> Looks like the couch again tonight...

You're just digging yourself in deeper ...


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RE: gatherings

[Bob W]

If we have a London PDML I will try to join. How about doing it in
Richmond, which is a very nice place?

Bob 

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> 17.09 - 18.09
> 22.10
> 03.12 - 04.12
> 
> There'll be more after Christmas, but dates are somewhat wobbly.
> 
> Jostein
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> 2008/9/3 Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On 3/9/08, Rebekah, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >
> >>yeah, so anyone want to visit Germany a few months from now?
> >>
> >>door's always open!
> >
> > That's a generous offer Rebekah.
> >
> > Here's one for you: pop across to London and we'll do a 
> London PDML -
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PESO: K10D at 1100 ISO is actually usable!

[Charles Robinson]

Oddly enough, at the pixel level it can look kinda gross.  But when  
you bring them down to "web size" it's actually not bad.  Much better  
than I expected.

I shot a concert on Tuesday night and the most-used lens in my arsenal  
was the lowly Takumar Bayonet 135 f/2.5.  I couldn't believe how much  
I kept going back to it.  The only downside is that I'd really like  
something as small and usable but at about half the focal length - is  
there anything (affordable) like that out there?

An example shot:

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2008/ProVention/content/IMGP3522_large.html

1/30 sec, f2.5 @ 135 mm
ISO 1100

Thank goodness for the Katz-Eye or NONE of them would have been in  
focus.

  -Charles

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Medieval town with some photoshoppery

[Roman Melihhov]

http://roman.blakout.net/?blog=20080904231837

↑↑↑  I've done many things recently that I never bothered to do before. 
One of them is gimpography (photoshoppery) to add some dramatical 
touches to normally descent photos. I won't sow you input images but 
your comments on outcome are appreciated.

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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

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John Francis wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 02:25:58PM -0400, frank theriault wrote:
>   
>> [My partner Judy] needs a decent body (hopefully she'll have one soon).
>> 
>
> You are so in trouble now ...
>   
Only if she reads this list...



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Re: PDML Family album :)

[P. J. Alling]

I think the mounties and Homeland Security have him on their watch list...

frank theriault wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:35 PM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> You asked for it:
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> These are just a few of the shots of me taken by some mates.
>>
>> You have no one to blame but yourself.
>>
>> 
>
> This guy should be arrested, whoever he is:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5f3w6y
>
> http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SHtMQdK49SI/Cno/rzhCgp7_pIA/s1600-h/july_14_08+004.jpg
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> cheers,
> frank
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RE: PESO - "Striking Seney Summer Sunrise"

[Bob W]

That's very dramatic and striking! 

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> Check out
http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
> 
> Taken in Seney National Wildlife Refuge, in the Upper 
> Peninsula of Michigan 
> with:
> 
> K20D, 28-80mm 3.5-4.5 SMC Pentax F, 1/100 sec, f8.0, 1600 ISO. Bogen

> mini-gear head on Bogen 3221 tripod.
> 
> Comments appreciated.
> 
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> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f 
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Re: PESO - Food Court Courting

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On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Christine  Aguila
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Frank:  The lady on the left really makes the picture.  Great rendering as
> usual.  Enjoyed your picture here!  Cheers, Christine

I forgot to thank everybody for commenting.

So I will now.

Thanks to everybody for commenting!

;-)

cheers,
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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:28 PM, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 02:25:58PM -0400, frank theriault wrote:
>>
>> [My partner Judy] needs a decent body (hopefully she'll have one soon).
>
> You are so in trouble now ...

On another re-reading of my post, especially the line in question, I
have to agree:

You're right.

Looks like the couch again tonight...

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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[Cotty]

On 4/9/08, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Most of
>what I get is crap anyway - it's all young girls taking the same
>pictures over and over again.
>
>Group of girls in nice party dresses all squeezed in cheek to cheek.

Er, I'm free Saturday mornings...

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Re: Extreme sport event @ parking house STOCKMANN

[frank theriault]

On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Roman Melihhov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://roman.blakout.net/?year=2008&s=0&category=actionsport&blog=20080830160235
>
> ^^^ Pentax K20D never missed a focus even with DA 50-200mm tele zoom but
> 3fps is when I missed drop bodies of parkour extremists. Pentax gotta
> boost frame rate for their next body and for the sake of resolution I
> didn't want to shoot at 21fps low-rez burst mode. TAV has proved again
> to be very useful mode here.

Very cool pix!

cheers,
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Re: OT - Google Chrome Browser

[Cotty]

On 4/9/08, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:

>American English.

Oh pulease.

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Re: OT - good Olympic gallery

[Cotty]

On 4/9/08, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Truncating the URL to vkmag.com, it looked like an online bastard child
>of FHM and Mad magazine with sophomoric gross-out humor (or humour) and
>gratuitous sex.

Was there a subscription page that you saw?

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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

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On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 02:25:58PM -0400, frank theriault wrote:
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> [My partner Judy] needs a decent body (hopefully she'll have one soon).

You are so in trouble now ...


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Re: PDML Family album :)

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On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> frank theriault wrote:
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>> This guy should be arrested, whoever he is:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/5f3w6y
>>
>> http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SHtMQdK49SI/Cno/rzhCgp7_pIA/s1600-h/july_14_08+004.jpg
>
> You mean his name isn't Chester?

All I can say is that the photo was ~not~ taken by me.  As you can
see, it's well-composed, in focus and not tilted...

;-)

Actually, it was taken by my 15 year old daughter Claire during one of
her visits to me here in Toronto.  It ~was~ a Pentax shot...

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Re: PESO - "Striking Seney Summer Sunrise"

[Jack Davis]

Sure is striking, Ken. I like your choice of allowing the clouds to fade to a 
point on the right. Horizon well placed.
Terrific exposure!

Jack


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> Subject: PESO - "Striking Seney Summer Sunrise"
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 12:17 PM
> Check out
> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
> 
> Taken in Seney National Wildlife Refuge, in the Upper
> Peninsula of Michigan 
> with:
> 
> K20D, 28-80mm 3.5-4.5 SMC Pentax F, 1/100 sec, f8.0, 1600
> ISO. Bogen 
> mini-gear head on Bogen 3221 tripod.
> 
> Comments appreciated.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f 
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Re: PDML Family album :)

[Mark Roberts]

frank theriault wrote:

> This guy should be arrested, whoever he is:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/5f3w6y
> 
> http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SHtMQdK49SI/Cno/rzhCgp7_pIA/s1600-h/july_14_08+004.jpg

You mean his name isn't Chester?

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Re: PESO - "Striking Seney Summer Sunrise"

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On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Ken Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
>
> Taken in Seney National Wildlife Refuge, in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan
> with:
>
> K20D, 28-80mm 3.5-4.5 SMC Pentax F, 1/100 sec, f8.0, 1600 ISO. Bogen
> mini-gear head on Bogen 3221 tripod.
>
> Comments appreciated.

That's about perfect.

Love the reflection in the still water, love the mist around the
trees, colours and light are perfect.

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Re: PDML Family album :)

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:35 PM, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You asked for it:
>
> 
> 
>
> 
> 
>
> 
> 
>
> These are just a few of the shots of me taken by some mates.
>
> You have no one to blame but yourself.
>

This guy should be arrested, whoever he is:

http://tinyurl.com/5f3w6y

http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SHtMQdK49SI/Cno/rzhCgp7_pIA/s1600-h/july_14_08+004.jpg

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PESO - "Striking Seney Summer Sunrise"

[Ken Waller]

Check out http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html

Taken in Seney National Wildlife Refuge, in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan 
with:

K20D, 28-80mm 3.5-4.5 SMC Pentax F, 1/100 sec, f8.0, 1600 ISO. Bogen 
mini-gear head on Bogen 3221 tripod.

Comments appreciated.

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Re: B&W help with digital

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Anand DHUPKAR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A question -
>
> What procedure is ideal to get best possible B&W print from color raw or JPEG 
> ?
>
> I have photoshop element 5.0 and epson 2200.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
>

I think I've only printed one B&W since I've gone digital (everything
else has been for the internet), but I use the BW Plus plug-in that
others have mentioned, and I'm pretty happy with the results on a
screen.

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RE: OT - good Olympic gallery

[Bob W]

> > 
> > This caught my eye - takes a minute to load the pics, all 
> on one page
> > but some classics...
> > 
> >  > ry_olympische_spelen_2008_in_fotos_part_1/>
> 
> "Access has been blocked because:
> Prohibited by URL database (Pornography & Adult Material)"
> 
> So now I'm wondering..."What does VKMag stand for?"
> 

seems to be a Dutch lad mag of some sort.

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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

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On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:50 PM, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I hate them. They take crappy snapshots. You can do better with
> disposable film cameras.
>
> The problem is they all offer ONLY live view for composing the picture;
> no view finder. So you end up with the camera focused willy-nilly
> without regard to the subject, and motion blur out the wazoo from
> holding the thing out at arms length; especially indoors.
>
> I run a mini-lab. It's a digital hybrid with kiosks where the customer
> can enter their digital images and get RA4 process color prints. Most of
> what I get is crap anyway - it's all young girls taking the same
> pictures over and over again.
>
> Group of girls in nice party dresses all squeezed in cheek to cheek.
> Same group of girls at table in some club with umbrella drinks.
> Endless succession of various drunken louts they've met at the club.
> Rinse & repeat.
>
> I give them the best prints I can, even though the subject matter
> doesn't deserve it, and actual image quality I have to work with is
> usually pretty low. Comes from trying to squeeze the maximum number of
> images on the memory card instead of just buying another card and
> setting the camera to the best quality it can produce.
>
> Every once in a while I get a heart breaker.
>
> I had a customer yesterday with 300 some images of a once in a lifetime
> cruise of the Greek Isles out of Istanbul, with the Blue Mosque thrown
> in for good measure. She took a 8 mega-pixel digital point 'n shoot with
> Live View; a package deal including a 512MB SD card at a cost less than
> $100.
>
> More than half the images were motion blurred, back focused or otherwise
> impossible to get a good print from because her camera ONLY has live
> view for composing images.

My partner Judy has such a point and shoot, and I have to agree with
much of what you say.  Her's is several years old, an Oly with about 4
megapixels (for whatever that's worth).  Only a live-view screen, no
viewfinder.

Many of her photos were out of focus, and I discovered from looking at
the manual that there's only one focus-point for the AF:  dead centre!
 And, as you said, holding the thing at arm's length makes it really
hard to hold it still.  Add to all that the fact that the highest ISO
is something like 120 (I think the lowest is about 60, but no manual
override) and even in shade on a sunny day lots of shots are blurry.

Poor thing (Judy, not the camera) tries her best to hold it still;
looking at some shots that were only slightly soft, I've been
surprised to see some shutter speeds of as low as 1/10 of a second,
shot outdoors.  She (on my advice) disables the flash because it makes
results worse.

My other complaint about that thing is that except in macro, the
damned lens is so wide (I guess due to the microchip-sized sensor)
that the dof is incredibly wide.  ~Everything~ is sharp on most shots
(or everything's blurry - you know what I mean).  There's absolutely
no separation between subjects and background.

She so needs a decent body (hopefully she'll have one soon).  When she
shoots with my camera, even with everything on green, the difference
in her photos is incredible.

So, yes, I agree with your assessment of cheap digi-p&s cams.  They're
crap for anyone more than the most casual shooter - and even then not
likely good enough.

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RE: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[Bob W]

> > No rant for this festival, except for the $8 chicken-on-a-stick.
> 
> Doesn't sound like too much fun for the chickens...
> 
> cheers,
> frank

I should introduce you to some of the chickens I know.

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RE: PESO - She Just Talks and Talks and Talks...

[Bob W]

Excellent! 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of frank theriault
> Sent: 04 September 2008 13:46
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> Subject: PESO - She Just Talks and Talks and Talks...
> 
> You'll have to scroll down a bit for today's photo:
> 
> http://knarf-underground.blogspot.com/2008/09/she-just-talks-a
> nd-talks-and-talks.html
> 
> Other than the reactions of the passengers, I love the leering
> meerkats on the wall...
> 
> ;-)
> 
> Comments welcome.  Thanks.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
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Re: PESO: Drop Your Crocs !

[P. J. Alling]

John Sessoms wrote:
> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   
>> Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> 
 Another of my curious signs from Maui:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7711343

   
 
>> Does anyone else think crocs look like they should be recycled /before/ 
>> you wear them?
>> 
>
> The foamy plastic ones all the kids wear ARE recycled; the material is 
> recycled plastic.
>   
Then perhaps recycled again though redundant, fits my thoughts better...

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Re: PESO: Drop Your Crocs !

[Rebekah]

>Does anyone else think crocs look like they should be recycled /before/
>you wear them?

yes.  yes I do.

rg2

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> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>> > Another of my curious signs from Maui:
>>> >
>>> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7711343
>>> >
>>> >
>> Does anyone else think crocs look like they should be recycled /before/
>> you wear them?
>
> The foamy plastic ones all the kids wear ARE recycled; the material is
> recycled plastic.
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Re: PESO: Drop Your Crocs !

[John Sessoms]

From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> > Another of my curious signs from Maui:
>> >
>> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7711343
>> >
>> >   
> Does anyone else think crocs look like they should be recycled /before/ 
> you wear them?

The foamy plastic ones all the kids wear ARE recycled; the material is 
recycled plastic.

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Re: OT - good Olympic gallery

[mike wilson]

John Sessoms wrote:

>From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  
>
From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2008/09/03 Wed PM 06:11:50 GMT
To: pentax list 
Subject: OT - good Olympic gallery

This caught my eye - takes a minute to load the pics, all on one page
but some classics...




>>"Access has been blocked because:
>>Prohibited by URL database (Pornography & Adult Material)"
>>
>>So now I'm wondering..."What does VKMag stand for?"
>>
>>
>
>There wasn't any porn that I saw, but the URL wrapped in Cotty's 
>message. If you aren't ready to paste the second line into the address, 
>you get a random photo. First time, I got one of some body 
>builder/pro-wrestler type sandwiched between two honeys in bikinis.
>
>Try this URL:
>http://www.vkmag.com/galleries/gallery_olympische_spelen_2008_in_fotos_part_1
>
>The photography seemed to focus on grotesque or somewhat risqué moments.
>  
>
The image host is something called "totally crap" which is probably what 
triggered the nanny software.  There are some other interesting Olympic 
pictures located on the host:
http://content2.totallycrap.com/content2008/galleries/com_amnesty_olympic_games/

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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[John Sessoms]

From: "frank theriault"
 >
> Most people that I know, even snapshooters (especially snapshooters!)
> are digital these days.  Geez, I just saw ads for bottom of the line
> Sanyo and Sony 6 meg zoom p&s cams for like $70!  That's like about
> the cost of 3 or 4 rolls of colour including processing?
> 

I hate them. They take crappy snapshots. You can do better with 
disposable film cameras.

The problem is they all offer ONLY live view for composing the picture; 
no view finder. So you end up with the camera focused willy-nilly 
without regard to the subject, and motion blur out the wazoo from 
holding the thing out at arms length; especially indoors.

I run a mini-lab. It's a digital hybrid with kiosks where the customer 
can enter their digital images and get RA4 process color prints. Most of 
what I get is crap anyway - it's all young girls taking the same 
pictures over and over again.

Group of girls in nice party dresses all squeezed in cheek to cheek.
Same group of girls at table in some club with umbrella drinks.
Endless succession of various drunken louts they've met at the club.
Rinse & repeat.

I give them the best prints I can, even though the subject matter 
doesn't deserve it, and actual image quality I have to work with is 
usually pretty low. Comes from trying to squeeze the maximum number of 
images on the memory card instead of just buying another card and 
setting the camera to the best quality it can produce.

Every once in a while I get a heart breaker.

I had a customer yesterday with 300 some images of a once in a lifetime 
cruise of the Greek Isles out of Istanbul, with the Blue Mosque thrown 
in for good measure. She took a 8 mega-pixel digital point 'n shoot with 
Live View; a package deal including a 512MB SD card at a cost less than 
$100.

More than half the images were motion blurred, back focused or otherwise 
impossible to get a good print from because her camera ONLY has live 
view for composing images.

> For something like a county fair, they should just have categories for
> amateur and pro.  Or maybe amateur, advanced amateur and pro.  Leave
> it to the integrity of the entrants to classify themselves.  Forget
> about separate categories for film and digital.  They should make it
> about the photographs, not the camera type.
> 
> cheers,
> frank

Categories should define the rigor of judging criteria. The amateur who 
wants to be judged by pro standards should be able to compete in that 
category, although I guess it's not fair to let actual pros into the 
amateur category.

Don't know how I'd enforce that.

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Re: PESO - Hector

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:51 PM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nice Frank.

Dave, Christina,

Thanks!

cheers,
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PESO 2008 - 139 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

An apartment's entrance door in Peel.

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/139-entrance.jpg
Entrance Door - Isle of Man 2008
Panasonic L1 + Olympus ZD 11-22mm f/2.8-3.5
ISO 400 @ f/5.6 @ 1/100 sec, fl=14mm

Comments and critique always appreciated.

enjoy
Godfrey

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Re: PESO: The reason behind weather sealing :)

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Timber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbah/2823032764/
> Yes, that's her Pentax K200D and she's in love with it :D
>

Why is that woman liking the camera?

;-)

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Re: Sigma 50-500 f/4-f/6.3

[jtainter]

Small, sharpened jpegs, but perhaps this will help:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=27330985

Joe



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Re: PESO: Drop Your Crocs !

[P. J. Alling]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> Another of my curious signs from Maui:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7711343
>
>   
Does anyone else think crocs look like they should be recycled /before/ 
you wear them?

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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[Mark Roberts]

Matthew Hunt wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Ah, but here you go against your own proposal that rules should be
>> "written in a way that makes sense", because 99% of the public wouldn't
>> understand any of that.
> 
> Yeah, but when their eyes glaze over, the rulebook will become
> functionally identical to its current incarnation, and we're no worse
> off.

Actually, that would be the opposite of its current incarnation: As it 
is now, the 99-percentile point-n-shooters understand it and the 
remaining 1% serious amateurs can, as Frank demonstrated, deduce what is 
*meant*.

With technically detailed rules, sophisticated photographers like you 
and Frank are no better off and the other 99% of the public is worse off.

In short, they got it pretty well right for the vast majority of their 
likely participants.

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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[David J Brooks]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:26 PM, frank theriault
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Most people that I know, even snapshooters (especially snapshooters!)
> are digital these days.  Geez, I just saw ads for bottom of the line
> Sanyo and Sony 6 meg zoom p&s cams for like $70!  That's like about
> the cost of 3 or 4 rolls of colour including processing?
>
> For something like a county fair, they should just have categories for
> amateur and pro.  Or maybe amateur, advanced amateur and pro.  Leave
> it to the integrity of the entrants to classify themselves.  Forget
> about separate categories for film and digital.  They should make it
> about the photographs, not the camera type.
>
> cheers,
> frank

Markham has colour, B&W, and digital. Also Jr, Sr. and Open, which is
anyone over the age of 13, i believe. Only stipulation to enter is not
to have more than 50% of your income from photography, which i suppose
makes you a pro.

We get some pretty goo photos, and a lot more lately, now that the
area is being developed. Still lots of photos with dates on them,.:-)

Dave

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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[P. J. Alling]

I guess that would depend on the chickens attitude...

frank theriault wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Matthew Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>   
>> No rant for this festival, except for the $8 chicken-on-a-stick.
>> 
>
> Doesn't sound like too much fun for the chickens...
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>
>   


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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Rules for digital photo competitions can be really troublesome to get right.
>
> We had a lot of discussion about the rules when the GFM Nature
> Photography Weekend photo contest went digital. We stuck with film for
> longer than most people probably expected, just to make sure as many
> people as possible were really up to speed with digital before we did so.
>
> And at GFM, we have the advantage of dealing with people who are pretty
> serious about their photography, so are well above the average knowledge
> level of the general public. I imagine running a County Fair photo
> contest, attracting a lot of point-and-click type shooters could be a
> real nightmare.

Most people that I know, even snapshooters (especially snapshooters!)
are digital these days.  Geez, I just saw ads for bottom of the line
Sanyo and Sony 6 meg zoom p&s cams for like $70!  That's like about
the cost of 3 or 4 rolls of colour including processing?

For something like a county fair, they should just have categories for
amateur and pro.  Or maybe amateur, advanced amateur and pro.  Leave
it to the integrity of the entrants to classify themselves.  Forget
about separate categories for film and digital.  They should make it
about the photographs, not the camera type.

cheers,
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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[David J Brooks]

Our fair has a contes, that i have been entering since i stopped
working out of town, so around 2001. There is a "Obvious manipulation"
catagory, in digital, but we can do minor adjustments, as in the GFM
contest. Some levels curves etc to bring out a properly exposed photo
is acceptable. Not adding or deleting stuff, removing dust and crops
are ok,etc.

My entries this year are 21 images in B&W, colour or digital
catagories. Cost is $10.00 to enter and free entry to the fair.

Oh and i will be entering a sudo B&W shot in a colour catagory. Seems
ok in the past.

Dave

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Matthew Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So last weekend, the wife and I went to the local county fair, for the
> first time since moving back here.  If I point you to my meager
> gallery, can I get away with a rant?
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/coneslayer/sets/72157607060568138/
>
> Anyway, we learned that if you submit something for competition, you
> get in free.  It occurred to me that paying $8 to enter the
> photography contest and get in free is at least as good as paying $8
> at the gate just to get in.  And I just might beat the people who have
> the date burned in red digits on their pictures, not to mention the
> folks who entered color photographs in the B&W categories (true!).
>
> So I look up the entry guidelines, which are here:
>
> http://cambriacofair.com/19___arts__crafts__photos
>
> I call your attention to the "Digital Manipulation" categories.  Taken
> literally, it seems impossible to shoot digital without ending up in
> the "Digital Manipulation" categories, especially if you shoot raw.
> For example:
>
> "26.  Single or Multiple Images - The creation of an improved image
> through the use of computer tools"
>
> Well, debayering a raw file certainly improves it.  So does using
> "computer tools" to choose a suitable 8x10 cropping, as required by
> the rules.  I've even been known to improve an image by picking black
> and white points with my "computer tools".  But even worse:
>
> "28.  Tonal/Colorization - Black & White, Sepia, or Color saturation
> of a digital photograph to increase visual dynamics to the viewer."
>
> I take this to mean that any digital B&W conversion lands you in the
> "Digital Manipulation" ghetto, instead of, say, "B&W Portrait".
>
> Maybe we'll just enter the Trail Mix competition... that one's only $3.50.
>
> If you made it this far, here's a bonus gallery with better shots:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/coneslayer/sets/72157607029365140/
> No rant for this festival, except for the $8 chicken-on-a-stick.
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Re: PESO - Sneer

[David J Brooks]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:03 AM, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>
>> From: "David J Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: 2008/09/03 Wed PM 05:07:39 GMT
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Subject: Re: PESO - Sneer
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 11:54 AM, frank theriault
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >  Loud, obnoxious, swearing, spitting, sneering.
>>
>> Looks like some one did'nt enjoy the 90's scene.:-)
>>
>> Dave
>
> ??  Punk was two decades before that for me.  You _really_ should have used 
> less acid in the 60s.

Yes, i suppose i should have. To late now.

Dave
>
>> >
>> > However, the lead singer was an interesting study.  Sadly, both the
>> > background and foreground weren't particularly pleasing, but with a
>> > heavy crop I managed to get this one of him:
>>
>> Good shot Frank, with hte crop here, the back ground looks ok.
>> >
>> > http://tinyurl.com/596qpn
>> >
>> > http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/SL027fHfIXI/C9w/5y9MgYa8UFg/s1600-h/sept_02_08+006.jpg
>> >
>> > I just wish I'd have had earplugs.
>> >
>> > Comments welcome.
>> >
>> > cheers,
>> > frank
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Re: PESO - Sneer

[frank theriault]

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Christine  Aguila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good edgy feel to the shot, Frank.  Excellent rendering.  Cheers, Christine

Thanks, Christine, and thanks to everyone else who commented.

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Re: PESO - Sneer

[frank theriault]

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Unfortunately, he looks like a poster boy for much of today's society.
> Nicely exposed, Frank

What he looks is a bit old to be a punk.  I mean it may be okay if yer
18 years old, but this guy's getting a bit long-in-the-tooth for this
sort of thing IMHO...

Thanks, Jack.

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Re: PESO - Sneer

[frank theriault]

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> oh, and it's a good picture too. He loses a lot of punk points,
> though, for playing a sushi restaurant.

Thanks.

BTW, the sushi restaurant is shut down and for rent.  Does he get 1/2
a point back?

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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[Mark Roberts]

frank theriault wrote:

> As for the rules for the photography competition, it looks very much
> like it's basically one set of categories for film #1-24) and another
> for digital (#26-30).  I can't imagine but that eventually the "film"
> categories will wither and die from lack of entries, or that the first
> 24 categories will eventually be for digital and film will have it's
> own small niche.

Rules for digital photo competitions can be really troublesome to get right.

We had a lot of discussion about the rules when the GFM Nature 
Photography Weekend photo contest went digital. We stuck with film for 
longer than most people probably expected, just to make sure as many 
people as possible were really up to speed with digital before we did so.

And at GFM, we have the advantage of dealing with people who are pretty 
serious about their photography, so are well above the average knowledge 
level of the general public. I imagine running a County Fair photo 
contest, attracting a lot of point-and-click type shooters could be a 
real nightmare.

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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Matthew Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yeah, but when their eyes glaze over, the rulebook will become
> functionally identical to its current incarnation, and we're no worse
> off.

Mark,

You seem to be on this thread just now anyway.

I think there's more fodder in Matthew's few posts today than I've
seen in a while, from anyone!

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PESO: Drop Your Crocs !

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Another of my curious signs from Maui:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=7711343

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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[Matthew Hunt]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ah, but here you go against your own proposal that rules should be
> "written in a way that makes sense", because 99% of the public wouldn't
> understand any of that.

Yeah, but when their eyes glaze over, the rulebook will become
functionally identical to its current incarnation, and we're no worse
off.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to research the definition of
"granola" for that Trail Mix competition.  I only have 11 months to
work on my formula.

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Re: PESO 2008 - 137 - GDG

[frank theriault]

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Christine  Aguila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Godfrey:  All puns aside, that's a very nice abstract.  Cheers, Christine

I agree with Christine!

cheers,
frank



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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[Mark Roberts]

Matthew Hunt wrote:

> But rules should be written in a way that makes sense, not a way that
> requires you to read the mind of the person writing them--otherwise,
> what is the point of writing them down?  

Good point.

 > If certain routine digital manipulations are permissible, then those
> should be called out, with something like this:
> 
>> "The following digital manipulations are permissible in Categories 1-X:
>>
>> - Cropping
>> - Sharpening
>> - Exposure, levels, and curves adjustment
>> - Color balance adjustment to achieve a realistic appearance
>> - Saturation adjustment (including desaturation for B&W categories, only
>>   moderate adjustment for color categories)
>> - Noise reduction
>> ... etc., depending on the preferences of the judges
>>
>> Images with manipulations not listed above shall be entered in the Digital 
>> Manipulations
>> categories X+1 through N.

Ah, but here you go against your own proposal that rules should be 
"written in a way that makes sense", because 99% of the public wouldn't 
understand any of that.

It's a no-win situation. :)

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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Matthew Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You can see how hard it is to be an engineer stuck in the real world.
> At least I'm not a lawyer... I'd be just as literal, but I'd also be
> suing them over it.


Geez, two good ones in one post.

MARK!!!

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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Matthew Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 But rules should be written in a way that makes sense, not a way that
> requires you to read the mind of the person writing them--otherwise,
> what is the point of writing them down? 

MARK!!

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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[Matthew Hunt]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:58 AM, John Sessoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I believe you're taking it wrongly.
>
> It looks like there are ADDITIONAL categories for obviously manipulated
> digital images. You can enter your mundane prints in any of the
> categories either B&W or Color (or all of them if you have enough prints
> and money)

I'm taking it literally.  They do not make a distinction between
"routine" and "excessive" manipulation.  There is no list of permitted
manipulations for the "ordinary" categories, nor any generic statement
of intent.  Anything I do to the raw file is literally the production
of an "improved image through the use of computer tools", which is the
criterion for digital ghetto category.  Even if I shot JPEG, the
"computer tools" inside the camera would be producing an "improved
image" relative to what came off the sensor.

Seriously, I'm sure you're correctly judging the *intent* of the
rules.  I would also guess that they mean what you think they mean.
But rules should be written in a way that makes sense, not a way that
requires you to read the mind of the person writing them--otherwise,
what is the point of writing them down?  If certain routine digital
manipulations are permissible, then those should be called out, with
something like this:

> "The following digital manipulations are permissible in Categories 1-X:
>
> - Cropping
> - Sharpening
> - Exposure, levels, and curves adjustment
> - Color balance adjustment to achieve a realistic appearance
> - Saturation adjustment (including desaturation for B&W categories, only
>   moderate adjustment for color categories)
> - Noise reduction
> ... etc., depending on the preferences of the judges
>
> Images with manipulations not listed above shall be entered in the Digital 
> Manipulations
> categories X+1 through N.

I'll probably just enter some pictures in the regular color & B&W
categories, and as you say, the judges and everyone else will be fine
with it.  But the little voice in my head will yelling at me the whole
time, telling me that I'm violating the rules.

You can see how hard it is to be an engineer stuck in the real world.
At least I'm not a lawyer... I'd be just as literal, but I'd also be
suing them over it.

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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Matthew Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So last weekend, the wife and I went to the local county fair, for the
> first time since moving back here.  If I point you to my meager
> gallery, can I get away with a rant?
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/coneslayer/sets/72157607060568138/
>
> Anyway, we learned that if you submit something for competition, you
> get in free.  It occurred to me that paying $8 to enter the
> photography contest and get in free is at least as good as paying $8
> at the gate just to get in.  And I just might beat the people who have
> the date burned in red digits on their pictures, not to mention the
> folks who entered color photographs in the B&W categories (true!).
>
> So I look up the entry guidelines, which are here:
>
> http://cambriacofair.com/19___arts__crafts__photos
>
> I call your attention to the "Digital Manipulation" categories.  Taken
> literally, it seems impossible to shoot digital without ending up in
> the "Digital Manipulation" categories, especially if you shoot raw.
> For example:
>
> "26.  Single or Multiple Images - The creation of an improved image
> through the use of computer tools"
>
> Well, debayering a raw file certainly improves it.  So does using
> "computer tools" to choose a suitable 8x10 cropping, as required by
> the rules.  I've even been known to improve an image by picking black
> and white points with my "computer tools".  But even worse:
>
> "28.  Tonal/Colorization - Black & White, Sepia, or Color saturation
> of a digital photograph to increase visual dynamics to the viewer."
>
> I take this to mean that any digital B&W conversion lands you in the
> "Digital Manipulation" ghetto, instead of, say, "B&W Portrait".
>
> Maybe we'll just enter the Trail Mix competition... that one's only $3.50.
>
> If you made it this far, here's a bonus gallery with better shots:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/coneslayer/sets/72157607029365140/
> No rant for this festival, except for the $8 chicken-on-a-stick.

Those are fun pix.  Looks like a typical county fall fair.  Folksy and
family-oriented.  You captured the atmosphere very well indeed.

As for the rules for the photography competition, it looks very much
like it's basically one set of categories for film #1-24) and another
for digital (#26-30).  I can't imagine but that eventually the "film"
categories will wither and die from lack of entries, or that the first
24 categories will eventually be for digital and film will have it's
own small niche.

Or something like that.

Sounds like maybe they're just a couple of years behind the times.

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Re: OT - good Olympic gallery

[John Sessoms]

From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > 
>> > From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Date: 2008/09/03 Wed PM 06:11:50 GMT
>> > To: pentax list 
>> > Subject: OT - good Olympic gallery
>> > 
>> > This caught my eye - takes a minute to load the pics, all on one page
>> > but some classics...
>> > 
>> > > > ry_olympische_spelen_2008_in_fotos_part_1/>
> 
> "Access has been blocked because:
> Prohibited by URL database (Pornography & Adult Material)"
> 
> So now I'm wondering..."What does VKMag stand for?"

There wasn't any porn that I saw, but the URL wrapped in Cotty's 
message. If you aren't ready to paste the second line into the address, 
you get a random photo. First time, I got one of some body 
builder/pro-wrestler type sandwiched between two honeys in bikinis.

Try this URL:
http://www.vkmag.com/galleries/gallery_olympische_spelen_2008_in_fotos_part_1

The photography seemed to focus on grotesque or somewhat risqué moments.

Truncating the URL to vkmag.com, it looked like an online bastard child 
of FHM and Mad magazine with sophomoric gross-out humor (or humour) and 
gratuitous sex.

It's written in Dutch. Looks like it's from Amsterdam, so the sexual 
content is probably a bit freewheeling for most American content filters.


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RE: OT - Google Chrome Browser

[John Sessoms]

From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I downloaded and tried it yesterday. I had a question about the
> Favourites / bookmarks, so I typed 'favourites' into Help. It came
> back with nothing, other than the question 'Did you mean
> "favorites"?'. There was nowhere for me to reply "no I fuckin'
> didn't". What with that and the keylogger and the missing
> functionality (I know it's only a beta) I uninstalled it until it's a
> bit more mature and a bit less like spyware.
> 
> Bob

You just ran into the fact that most Americans, including obviously 
Google's programmers, don't recognize English English has different 
spellings for some words than American English.

We get in a bit of a hurry sometimes and leave letters out ... most 
words with "ou", unless it's followed by "gh", drop the 'u'. So, you get 
"favorites" instead of "favourites", "humor" instead of "humour" ... 
while we remain "rough" and "tough".  ;-D

I think it was Churchill who said we were "two peoples separated by a 
common language" ... or it might have been GB Shaw.

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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[frank theriault]

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Matthew Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No rant for this festival, except for the $8 chicken-on-a-stick.

Doesn't sound like too much fun for the chickens...

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Re: OT Rant: County Fair and the Digital Ghetto

[John Sessoms]

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From: "Matthew Hunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>> > I call your attention to the "Digital Manipulation" categories.  Taken
>> > literally, it seems impossible to shoot digital without ending up in
>> > the "Digital Manipulation" categories, especially if you shoot raw.
>> > For example:
>> >
>> > "26.  Single or Multiple Images - The creation of an improved image
>> > through the use of computer tools"
>> >
>> > Well, debayering a raw file certainly improves it.  So does using
>> > "computer tools" to choose a suitable 8x10 cropping, as required by
>> > the rules.  I've even been known to improve an image by picking black
>> > and white points with my "computer tools".  But even worse:
>> >
>> > "28.  Tonal/Colorization - Black & White, Sepia, or Color saturation
>> > of a digital photograph to increase visual dynamics to the viewer."
>> >
>> > I take this to mean that any digital B&W conversion lands you in the
>> > "Digital Manipulation" ghetto, instead of, say, "B&W Portrait".

I believe you're taking it wrongly.

It looks like there are ADDITIONAL categories for obviously manipulated 
digital images. You can enter your mundane prints in any of the 
categories either B&W or Color (or all of them if you have enough prints 
and money)

... and you still have 5 categories for your exotic PhotoShop work.

If anyone has a complaint, it's film photographers, whose work is 
excluded from those categories because they create manipulated images 
the way they've been done since the days of Wm. H. Fox Talbot.

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Re: OT - good Olympic gallery

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:22 AM, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The incomplete URL loads some "interesting" pictures...

I guess I didn't scroll down far enough.  All I know is that yesterday
it took forever to load and for the rest of the day my computer was
running slow as molasses.

The Olympic photos what I saw were pretty amazing, though.

cheers,
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Re: OT - Google Chrome Browser

[Mark Roberts]

Doug Franklin wrote:
> Bob W wrote:
> 
>> What with that and the keylogger and the missing
>> functionality (I know it's only a beta) I uninstalled it until it's a
>> bit more mature and a bit less like spyware.
> 
> I think it's realistic to expect it to get more mature.  I don't think 
> it's realistic to expect it to get less like spyware.  Consider the data 
> Google already keeps from searches people request ... It might get less 
> /obviously/ like spyware, but that stuff is exactly the leverage Google 
> wants and it's a big part of the reason for mooting Chrome in the first 
> place, IMNSHO.

Yes, that's my feeling. Google's long gone past the point at which I 
*trust* them any more. I'll install Chrome (when it gets out of beta), 
because I need to know about it for the classes I teach, but I can't see 
myself ever using it for browsing.


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Re: PESO - She Just Talks and Talks and Talks...

[Paul Stenquist]

Excellent. A great moment.
Paul
On Sep 4, 2008, at 8:45 AM, frank theriault wrote:

> You'll have to scroll down a bit for today's photo:
>
> http://knarf-underground.blogspot.com/2008/09/she-just-talks-and- 
> talks-and-talks.html
>
> Other than the reactions of the passengers, I love the leering
> meerkats on the wall...
>
> ;-)
>
> Comments welcome.  Thanks.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
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Re: PESO - She Just Talks and Talks and Talks...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

That is a GREAT photo! :-)

Godfrey

On Sep 4, 2008, at 5:45 AM, frank theriault wrote:

> You'll have to scroll down a bit for today's photo:
>
> http://knarf-underground.blogspot.com/2008/09/she-just-talks-and-talks-and-talks.html
>
> Other than the reactions of the passengers, I love the leering
> meerkats on the wall...


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Re: PESO - Three Votes for Ice Cream

[frank theriault]

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:14 AM, David J Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Great job in the composition. The stairs to take you to the ice cream.
>
> I like the blue walls. Good exposure to, in what looks like tough light.
>

Dave, Christine, Bob,

Judy and I thank you for your kind comments.

cheers,
frank

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PESO - She Just Talks and Talks and Talks...

[frank theriault]

You'll have to scroll down a bit for today's photo:

http://knarf-underground.blogspot.com/2008/09/she-just-talks-and-talks-and-talks.html

Other than the reactions of the passengers, I love the leering
meerkats on the wall...

;-)

Comments welcome.  Thanks.

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Re: OT - Google Chrome Browser

[Doug Franklin]

Bob W wrote:

> What with that and the keylogger and the missing
> functionality (I know it's only a beta) I uninstalled it until it's a
> bit more mature and a bit less like spyware.

I think it's realistic to expect it to get more mature.  I don't think 
it's realistic to expect it to get less like spyware.  Consider the data 
Google already keeps from searches people request ... It might get less 
/obviously/ like spyware, but that stuff is exactly the leverage Google 
wants and it's a big part of the reason for mooting Chrome in the first 
place, IMNSHO.

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